rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

Thought we should have a thread that's a catch-all for any and all conversations that start like this, since we seem to have like five or six threads for it.

I'll go first:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPBbMbKSZrQ

I dunno if its racist but its certainly unlistenable crap

Oh dude, I always wonder about this one: "White Girl" by X. what the fuck is up with that? Has John Doe ever addressed it?

also, this thread is not just for songs, but commercials, movies, tv shows, jpegs, assorted anything.

Oh word, noticed this is on I Love Everything.

yeah I mean where the fuck is I Love Racism already

Oh dude, I always wonder about this one: "White Girl" by X. what the fuck is up with that? Has John Doe ever addressed it?

what do you think is racist about this song...?

Why's he talking about white girls?

for reference:

She's blonde,
She's blonde,
Comes along the sidewalk.

She's Blonde,
Leave a trail of blue and black,
Up to you fighting back.

She's Blonde,
Steel chains,
A noose of charms on our necks.

I find out nothing when we talk and sit,
Blue heart passion and watch the set.

Easy to fall, when part of your skull starts to break away,
Cheaters walk, down the block behind this evil street.

She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl,
She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl-

Nineteen,
Nineteen.. losing her man to an old girl.

Nineteen,
Drain every beer left over at home,
and listen to ghosts in the other room.

I Can't!
Why not? You're alone inside his keeping.

Oh I'll replace your drunk old man,
Sit in the parking lot and hold your hand.

Easy to fall, when part of your skull starts to break away...
Drugged and in love out at a club pulling me outside.

She's a white girl, well I'm living with a white girl,
She's a white girl, well I'm living with a white girl-

Easy to fall, when part of your skull starts to break away...
drugged and in love out at a club pulling me outside.

She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl,
She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl

having just finished re-reading We Got the Neutron Bomb my guess is this song is about the young lady that Exene moved out to California with, who was by all accounts something of a bitch who would pull white-supremacist provacateur type stuff to get a rise out of people.

blanking on her name at the moment.

Not racist. Someone else could make the argument for exploitative, but it's a stretch to say that the Kings of Leon have any hatred or intolerance toward black people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aENX1Sf3fgQ

Now apologize for making me watch a Kings of Leon video for two minutes.

Yeah, I guess exploitative and colonialist (is that the right word?) more than captial-R RACIST, but still like; who does a video treatment that;'s like "OK, you're hugging black kids for four minutes"

i think it's hard to call a music video 'exploitative' -- what are they exploiting these kids for? no one watches music videos. they have no impact, unless you're lady gaga

colonialist maybe, but remember that KOL are the most popular band in europe

racist, clearly not

would've preferred video featuring band being murdered by black kids

http://altreport.hipsterrunoff.com/2010/09/kings-of-leon-hires-choir-of-black-children-to-make-their-new-mp3-sound-more-soulful.html

It reminded me of a generic John Cougar Mellencamp video. Had they been white kids, it would've looked like 70% of the videos on CMT.

Still waiting for an apology.

Yeah, I guess exploitative and colonialist (is that the right word?) more than captial-R RACIST, but still like; who does a video treatment that;'s like "OK, you're hugging black kids for four minutes"

obv the answer is "the dude who directed the new Kings of Leon video, whose name somehow has not yet made it to the bits of the Internet you can hit within 5 minutes of using Google"

(that more than anything else is making me lol, like whoever this was basically went "I'll do this for you and it will be awesome! I don't want any credit tho" *waits for shitstorm*)

carles is slippin -- passion pit already did the "hire a choir of underprivileged minority youths" thing

he's not even listed on the mtv site, which is usually v good about putting directors up in there

gonna lol if it was Hype Williams

the video and song are both unmentionably terrible w/ stupid and retrograde notions about race but i don't think they are simply ~racist~

Sophie Muller directed it.

OK, how about this?

http://gawker.com/5643372/this-weeks-new-yorker-cartoon-caption-contest-winner-pretty-racist

more offensive for not being funny

http://www.bitterwallet.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/zBOSA-500x375.jpg

that was a fake

but it was racist because someone realized that they could spell "nigger" by a video game and they set up a soccer video game and took a photo of it and sent it all over the internet

so yes, racist

this isn't a thread for lol racism, fyi. keep that shit to "encyclopedia of racist products" or, like, 4chan

strictly concern trolling in here.

I figured it was some soccer thing. Wouldn't have been surprised if it had been real.

take it to i love footy

love the gawker update where they act like they understood the joke from the beginning

barf

http://i55.tinypic.com/25oxf7k.png

maybe LJ is right about ilx being the smartest message board

http://hipsterhitler.com/

gawker isnt a message board

ilx is my favorite blog

MIXMASTER
RACE

EASTSIDE
WESTSIDE
GENOCIDE

is anti-semitism racist or not, because this guy at the bar I frequent is convinced that Birth Of A Nation was produced by Jews & that the Jews control the media etc etc

I know it sucks either way just wanted 2 know ur opinions

Of course anti-semitism is racism. It's just that racism against Jews has acquired a term of its own, probably because discriminating them has been so prominent historically.

Where it gets tricky is when anti-Israel or anti-Zionist statements are equated with anti-semitism; of course some anti-Israel/anti-Zionist people are also anti-semitists/racists, but many of them aren't. But your case is pretty obviously racist because the target is Jews as a whole, not Israeli politics or anything.

are the finns a race?

Ca. 300 Finnish Jews fought in the War alongside the German Army[3][4]. The field synagogue operated by the Finnish army was probably a unique phenomenon in Europe.

Guess they didn't have Google then either.

take it to i love footy

― p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3),

jesus way to zing an entire bord of innocents wtf

Subtle "Americans don't like soocer and aren't racist" undertones there

yeah really i'm getting some prety bad vibes offa this zorn character. bet he's norwegian/icelandic thor worshipper

zorn smash

is this chorus racist?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4s6H4ku6ZY&ob=av3n

?

http://dasracist.net/

idk singing about sippin syrup like three 6 and getting "slizzered"

it's a bit 3oh3 minstrel

i can def see that

Man, if it's wrong to make fun of people who drink cough syrup to get high, I don't wanna get high.

How does all the lol ghetto retard stuff on lamebook.com fit into this thread? Not sure if I'd rather it be real or fake.

i think a bunch of well-off white people looking at it on their MacBook Pros and laughing at it through a mouthful of Whole Foods salad bar is pretty racist

glad I'm broke, on a dell, and had chili for lunch then.

black people eat Whole Foods salad bar, too

so like, on a pitchfork scale of 0.0 to 10.0, where 10.0 is a lynching, and 0.0 is Martin Luther King Jr. enjoying a cup of coffee while making breakfast, in his pajamas, humming a soft song to himself, where would the MacBook Pro thing fall? where does this comment fall?

I think this thread, while started with the noblest of intentions, has been a failure. And the reason I believe it has failed is that we (as a society) are so resigned to simply declaring something racist or not, as if it's binary, instead of attempting to quantify exactly how racist something really is, using numerical scales.

that scene from Louie where the school bus breaks down in Harlem and he reassigns the black kids the window seats: greater than 1.2?

*folds hands, rests elbows on desk, places chin on fingertips, looks up and slightly to the left, thinks*

i think you've anticipated an exciting new direction for Pitchfork Reviews Reviews

God, this fucking thread. Is this racist? Is it? Well? I need something to be outraged about, fuckin' tell me!!! Ugh.

i dont think anyone is really all that outraged tbh

Was Dr. King's morning coffee fair trade or unregulated?

Exactly, this thread isn't about being outraged at these things, it's about discussing them, and learning from them, and analyzing peoples motivations, gaining valuable insight into contemporary race relations, and proposing solutions for a more equitable society. Which is why it is essentially ineffectual, and why we should focus on merely assigning submitted material a score.

we can't be sure, can we, so let's kick it up to 0.8

xp that is not for me, as a MacBook Pro owner, to say

jk i don't really own one of those racist fuckin computers ;p

venti frap all over the keyboard

black people eat Whole Foods salad bar, too

― sarahel, Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:19 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

white people live in "ghetto"s too, but hilarious that you missed my point so wildly

http://i55.tinypic.com/20ur8gm.png

― my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:41 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark

3.9 imo, though it depends what you were eating when you posted it

meth is a white trash drug last time I checked, but ok?

stop being rooster racists

So it's only OK to laugh at Mexicans when they do white trash drugs?

I'm more laughing at the rooster, honestly

you better be

also, mods plz delete jpg from thread, there's a reason thats on 77

in case l0rena googles "20ur8gm.png"

OMG GOOGLE FOR http://i55.tinypic.com/20ur8gm.png AND FIND LORENA

ahahaha

Your search - 20ur8gm.png - did not match any documents.

when ppl talk abt "traditional african culture"

I'm reading a column in a COLLEGE NEWSPAPER about Obama "getting his grove back"

This is kinda racist right?

GROOVE*********

That one is questionable. I doubt intentionally racist, but certainly guilty of trying and failing to be "witty".

bohemian groove

orange grove- racist, sectarian

Ok actually this was based off a bill Clinton quote

I bet this chick is still kinda racist, but my apologies

Clinton can't be racist because he was the first black president.

^racist?

http://www.theroot.com/buzz/led-zepplin-front-man-spooked-black-music

Led Zepplin Front Man 'Spooked' by Black Music
By nsenga.burton
Created 09/22/2010 - 18:30

Robert Plant refers to black music as "spook music."

Fresh from the "We can't make this up file," Led Zepplin front man Robert Plant said that "spook music" is one of his favorite genres of music. When did he do this? On a recent appearance on The Today Show. While promoting his new album Band of Joy, Plant opened up about his influences. "[British people] didn't really have the musical knowledge as you guys have [in America]," said Plant. "So we tapped as much American 'spook music' as we could -- as much blues -- mixed it up and nobody liked it. But the feeling of freedom was fantastic." Take the needle off the record. The man whose work is clearly an appropriation of black culture, doesn't know that "spook music," is a derogatory term for black music? Wow. We won't mention the time period of when Led Zepplin ruled the airwaves. He should appropriate some more black culture and call himself "The Great Pretender," because that is what he appears to be.

^^^sounds highly unlikely, show me the clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS5GHOkCCgY&feature=player_embedded#

massive facepalm

wth

maybe he just doesn't know, thinks its akin to ~spooky~......it's not a racial epithet in england

don't rly care either way but just saying

lol @ "thinks its akin to spooky" uh no he doesn't

think he was probably trying to make some point abt how the music was held in low esteem by whites who weren't him & jon bonham. like there's a bit of time travel going on. he might have said "race music".

classic interview response

in his defence, he didn't say spook music was his favorite genre. that actually is from the department of making it up.

um that quote is not in the clip

so again, show me the evidence or I'm gonna continue believing this is some kind of misquote/misinterpretation cuz I really have a hard time believing Page would knowingly and casually use a racial epithet

it's at 1:03 in the youtube

http://www.spookmusic.com/

Robert is a little older and a little more cosmopolitan than I am, I'm sure, but I am Britishes and have never heard the term 'spook music'.

I have never heard the phrase "spook music" in my life.

I have nfi what it even means.

"The music of spook - a unique mix of relaxed grooves, mystic spheres and a deep positive feeling of life. Oh yeah, racism too."

yeah having seen the video it's pretty clearly not a word-choice error

still, i guess he is talking historically and he is invoking some tired archetype while unaware that spook is simply a pejorative

doesn't ~look~ like he's trolling

ah I see it now - sorry

fuck I dunno what the hell he was thinking. bizarre.

we should have listened to Bill Magill :(

otoh yeah I have never heard the term "spook music" before in my life. "spook" okay yeah that's an archaic racial epithet but... wtf it's a total facepalm/headscratch moment.

I imagine a public apology will be forthcoming shortly lol

i was hoping he'd throw ~air tildes~ around it like "we played ~spook music~" as if to suggest that's what ~they~ called it

but no

Spook music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4uxIo4t7xM

Spock music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B4lsvrzfZI

Sparks music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBtj2ShktAU

wow u put in some work on this one man

just keepin it positive

yeah i mean at least link to ghostbox or s/thing for yr spook music

I don't think "that's what THEY called it" is going to be an effective strategy when using racially loaded terminology

right right, i was just imagining scenarios where this could be something other than an outright fuckup, but no, it's a fuckup

How has he been playing music for 40 years and no one told him that's offensive!

Robert Plant issues apology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esZ15n6_5JY

maybe he doesn't throw it around all the time? xp

is he a known racist?

*logs on to nme.com*

hey everybody just real quick i'ma c'mon son.jpg myself xp

trouble before was if you wanted to say lz were racist, you'd either need to play up the tired ~appropriation~ thing, or the volkisch immigrant song angry white ppl stuff....and the two stories didn't quite fit, but this helps to link the threads

This is totally racist, but what the fuck is wrong with Australia/New Zealand? Like first the blackface gong show and now this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/11/paul-henry-resigns-new-ze_n_757797.html

i'd love to laugh at antipodean racists, and i often do - my impersonation of an australian is to say "fucking lebos mate" - but tonight on american television a british man is going to be browned up playing a character called "Fa'ad", so maybe people in glass houses and all that.

wait waht

check out this hilarious gif of paul henry http://imgur.com/zjI7H.gif

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/ae/articles/2010/07/18/20100718plant0718.html#ixzz10Mrv4PVU

maybe Plant thought he coined some new term or something

http://i.imgur.com/WUCxQ.jpg

I got this salsa the other day, and on the side of it it says that, "not unlike a Latin lover," it will "satisfy even your most hedonistic desires."

My favorite "is it racist?" moment on TV is the Jeopardy clip where the Indian guy flubs some question where the answer is "New Delhi", and Trebek kind of deadpans to him, "hurts to miss that one...", it's so easy to find on Youtube, it's been making me laugh for years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg7Wg-RG9hk

kinda racist, 100% awesome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFytHoXdG3E

not your father's long duk dong

CNN is stirring controversy with an article that calls the upcoming NBA All-Star Game "Black Thanksgiving."

The article, by longtime NBA analyst David Aldridge, calls All Star Weekend a "national holiday" for African Americans, and quotes USC professor Todd Boyd as saying that "the NBA All-Star weekend has turned into a celebration of African American culture by extension."

The article also ran in the middle of the front page of CNN's home page (scroll down for a screenshot).

But some of the hundreds of commenters who flooded the story were not happy. "Shame on you CNN for perpetuating the racism in America...and for what, to get readers? Are you that desperate?" commenter yippidy wrote.

"You managed to include every Black stereotype known to the Western world in this article," rockhanna said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/18/cnn-black-thanksgiving-nb_n_825335.html#s242844&title=Courtney_Browne

i get the impression it's not a big deal to make fun of indians (like ppl from india) in the us right?

yeah its totally ok

we make fun of them all the time

http://tvtastic.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/outsourced_nbc_tv_show_logo.jpg?w=569&h=320

(t&b again)

teal and orange. I can't do abbrevs in my head anymore.

Eh? Outsourced was a pretty good and thoughtful comedy about cultural differences, and it didn't really make fun of Indians at all.

Outsourced is now a terrible sitcom on American tv

Oh, I didn't know that. That poster is from the movie, though.

no, it's not.

Hmm, I guess you're right... The main guy and girl look pretty similar to the actors who played them in the movie, that's what fooled me.

That's racist.

Haha!

Tried so hard to persevere with that show. So very hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qapDnDDHNfs

competition for the kings of leon in the racial naivete stakes

last night's episode of Outsourced was all kinds of ugh

I really don't know why I watch it

why don't u outsource your terrible tv viewing to some indian people with parody apu accents and quirky yet loveable ethnic traits who can phone u and give u the episode synopses for tomorrow's office chit chat?

so straight up, are you Dom or just doing a great impersonation of him

Outsourced is now a terrible sitcom

hmmn it's true i have been doing a lot of business class passantinoisms recently

Even worse than that, it's not even a sitcom. It's one of those comedies resembling a poorly produced reality show.

No it isn't!

i'm thinking that in the absence of the ayatollah weingarten, we can reorient the kulturkampf back towards the old world, adding a distinct flavour of english cultural pessimism to ilx' trademark brand of bitter sniping and relentless negativism towards mnstrm media outlets

Snarkhchivan

http://scglondon.com/scg_images/text_brand_synergy3.gif

i'm thinking that in the absence of the ayatollah weingarten, we can reorient the kulturkampf back towards the old world, adding a distinct flavour of english cultural pessimism to ilx' trademark brand of bitter sniping and relentless negativism towards mnstrm media outlets

i think you need to get some kind of a hobby

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4044/4289529461_c19decfd28.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg3tIERI-D4

i guess the real question is, does anyone think this is not racist?

she looks racist to me

"i'll be deep into my studying... getting it all down... when all of a sudden I'm about to reach an epiphany..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NevytosR4XA

actually this probably belongs on the "yes this is racist" thread

also lol @ the azns in the library vid

"all of a sudden, when I'm about to have an epiphany..."

LIBRARY AZN is a trending pejorative in the 2k10s

i laughed at that azns asleep in libraries tumblr thing once

dayo if that youtube gal met u irl and said EUGH, U R SUCH A LIBRARY AZN (via you liking libraries, iirc)

how would u respond?

I would probably say "CHING CHONG CHANG CHOW" and wag my finger at her

actually htat would probably be pretty racist of me :/ idk maybe I'd ask her out on a date, to the library, we could sit by the microfiche section

http://asianssleepinginthelibrary.tumblr.com/

its so sweet how shes all 'aaanyway thank you for listening and have a nice day' at the end

we held hands in the TR-TZ oversized section

my biggest problem with college libraries is that they become these pools of self-flagellators, like it becomes a contest to see who can stay there the longest, and "I've been in the library for the past 2 weeks" becomes this sort of badge of pride, it's rly gross

i was never one of those ppl but i would always advocate to my friends that there should be some credit system for going to the library so that when finals came around you got preferential treatment over ppl that obv only came for finals and were rude ppl that didn't know how to exist politely in a library

do people go to the library just cause its a good quite place to work or are they actually looking at books

they go to meet asian girls

it's like 50-50 right now but will probably be 90-10 within the next decade

i got books like maybe five times in four years and that was only because something i was working on required an actual book source

but so much stuff is just archived on databases now esp if you're in a liberal arts/classic field

dont they know they can just call asian girls on their phones xp

college libraries are not even that good of a place to study unless you go into one of the attic cages and seclude yourself -- otherwise you could distract yourself for hours just by running into ppl you know and/or people watching

i think most ppl go to just to be like "i got out of the house, which is something that humans do"

how v human of them

it depends on the library, the one at my school goes like 5 stories underground and was super isolated and quiet + no cell phone service

yeah there were a couple of spots that i had where i knew i could get an afternoon's worth of quiet but i mostly just went because something about the act of driving to campus made me feel like i was really 'studying' rather than just doing problem sets in btw bouts of xbox

lamp otm

also I like how some white people at the UCs still think we're 'letting in these asians' instead of (at this point) 'letting in white people w/ worse test scores'. any school w/ a sizeable # of asian-americans applying has, in effect, affirmative action for white kids.

it's like 50-50 right now but will probably be 90-10 within the next decade

― iatee, Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:54 PM (11 minutes ago)

ppl go to college libraries for books?

libraries are the best place to study if you have ~your spot~

what if theres an asian in yr spot talking on the phone

or a fake-body made of chinese food

we only 'let in' the better class of azns it wasnt a uc school i mean jeez

they all spent their time talking on gchat in the computer labs

otherwise you could distract yourself for hours just by running into ppl you know and/or people watching

i needed a bit of low-level background distraction to really get things done, college library was the perfect environment for me as an undergrad

i prefer a cafe, constant coffee, flirty baristas

there were never enough seats at my college library

i write in cafes; libraries are too quiet or something.

as a history major i spent/spend a lot of time with the microfiche. which was GREAT. because nobody else is ever using the microfiche, even during finals week. and the microfiche machines were next to these huge windows looking out over the girls' soccer field.

microfilm i mean. not fiche. i don't even know what fiche is.

microfiche are like large slides with a bunch of pages on them, that you move from side to side and up and down. it can give you a serious headache if you spend a lot of time w/it.

yeah, ok, not those. the rolls. with the little trigger you press and it goes vvvvvvvVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and then you KU-CHUNK it still and try to read 17th-century cyrillic.

that would be microfilm. for both of those i'd just print out the portions i needed and read them at home.

http://www.finchhaven.com/vhs/f07vhs/Girls_Soccer_practice_082907/tn/0217_VHS_Girls_Soccer_practice_082907.med.jpg

our microfilm printer cost money and was sort of weird and finicky so i just frantically copied stuff into a notebook. except once when i discovered a totally undocumented room on a totally different floor of the library marked "MICROFILM SCANNING ROOM" and when i opened the door and found the light switch and plugged various things in it turned out to be a closet with a microfilm machine connected to a computer, so that you could dump stuff to PDF. but it didn't work very well, and the whole thing felt wrong anyway, so i went back to the windows.

pretty badass ball, there

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgbbz2AaJ31qgllp5o1_500.jpg

http://www.theonion.com/articles/conde-nast-launches-the-new-yorker-for-black-peopl,19708/

i like how the racist girl has an "epiphany" midway through the video that maybe these people are trying to get in touch with family affected by the tsunami, and then she has to awkwardly navigate around the fact that she just undercut her own argument.

our library was gross--a disastrous monument to 60s concrete architecture and a place without a single soft surface--so in general i just got in and out asap.

lol i just found out that a couple of local music people i know (one of whom is a white rapper who released an album with 'wigger' in the title) have a podcast called "Is This Racist?"

apparently the girl is quitting UCLA.

I thought it was supposed to be fake/ironic/parody... She's real?!

haha doesnt seem that unbelievable to me tbh

thats a sad 'haha'

why would this be unbelievable in any fashion?

we're talking about a country where a professional LPGA golfer once asked the LPGA to limit the number of Asian golfers allowed on tour once because she "they had a lack of emotion and didn't attempt to speak English". not surprising at all.

white people at the UCs are pretty horrible

white people at the UCs are pretty horrible

at the uc I went to a shitload of white ppl in the engineering dept would refer to asians as changers

like if something needed to be done, they were like "lets just get a changer to do it"

she'd fit in better at usc anyway

xp hilarious obv but I mean

uh oh - what uc has a shitload of white ppl in the engineering department??

lol I actually had a post clarifying that point

by shitload of white ppl in the engineering dept I meant a shitload OF the white ppl in the engineering dept

I wonder if wallace was a transfer student

as in did her GE at community college rather than entered as a freshman?

right

what makes you wonder that?

not used to a high number of asians in a library?

there are a lot of Asians at CA community colleges. Library facilities aren't as good, though.

what makes you wonder that?

cause she is an idiot and it's a bit easier for an idiot to transfer to UCLA than get in from hs.

(not saying everyone who transfers is an idiot!)

is UCLA hard to get into?

yes

goofy but made me laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zulEMWj3sVA

huh - there were quite a few idiots from my hs who went there.

honestly i have no idea if ucla is hard to get into -- i always assumed it was tho, at least second hardest after berkley

maybe they've changed their requirements significantly, but i don't remember any UC school's undergrad admission requirements being really challenging.

from hs it's pretty hard in-state. uc admissions are weird tho, I know a girl who got into barnard, columbia, brown, forgot what else, but she didn't get into UCLA. (she was hispanic fwiw, and UCs don't do affirmative action, at least not de facto)

it's very, very hard out of state / nearing elite private school selective if you're trying from out of state.

more students apply to it than any other school in the country.

but it also has the most transfers of the UCs and there's even a guaranteed transfer agreement with...santa monica cc iirc?

and UCs don't do affirmative action, at least not de facto

oh yeah, that was because of some other dumb ballot measure we passed.

eventually that's gonna hurt white ppl tho, so lol

never underestimate the stupidity of Californians when it comes to state ballot measures.

I literally know multiple white girls who got into berkeley's engineering program because they were white girls. I mentioned this upthread but at lots of schools (not just the UCs) there really is affirmative action for white people at this point in that they'll be picked over a similarly qualified asian kid.

we're talking about a country where a professional LPGA golfer once asked the LPGA to limit the number of Asian golfers allowed on tour once because she "they had a lack of emotion and didn't attempt to speak English". not surprising at all.

― sometimes magic sounds like tape (San Te), Saturday, March 19, 2011 12:08 PM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this was an Australian btw

so was the one who made homophobic comments: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/national/national/sport/rawson-rattles-a-few-cages/1427445.aspx

California is probably due for yet another racist ballot measure, trying to remember the last one.

you don't have to look v hard to find a racist/homophobic australian xp

Australians are just Americans with almost-British accents.

And fewer guns.

Guess Rawson will have to go on WS of shame now

Haha I was just about to say that. I saw her IRL two days after that story broke. So many conflicted feelings, such a babe.

actually witnessed her reading an apology to the rest of the LPGA members!!!

that jimmy song makes me uncomfortable

its getting catchy tho

i was a community college transfer into ucla. my cc also had a "guaranteed admission" system that operated through their honors program. you took a certain curriculum, maintained a certain gpa, etc. i wouldn't be surprised if many/most california cc's had a similar program.

anyway at no point was i made to take a class called "how not to be a stupid fucking racist" before i transfered, so that was probably the problem.

thanks for the insider info

i got rejected from ucla

got into ucsc tho

i couldve been a banana slug

Racism means the cute and funny "Ting Tong" guy has already had his fifteen minutes. If he were white yer white grandma would be picking up his mass produced CD at Target right about now.

http://media.scout.com/media/forums/emoticons/140/clap.gif another cultural insight from ilx poster u s steel http://media.scout.com/media/forums/emoticons/140/clap.gif

Who gets more attention, ditzy white girl we can laugh at or videos by Asians or Asian-Americans responding to it? Why are people paying attention to this video? There are far crueller things on the internet with regard to Asians and Affirmative Action programs, they're just not produced by young blonde students with visible boobs.

u s steel do you have visible boobs

The subject is racism, let's stick to the topic.

http://media.scout.com/media/forums/emoticons/140/clap.gifhttp://www.gifandgif.eu/animated_gif/Pizza/Animated%20Gif%20Pizza%20%284%29.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/forums/emoticons/140/clap.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vAfXNzXueE

hololy shit

how is this not Tim & Eric

place doesn't exist, it's from this show called PLEA BARGAIN ADVERTISING

weak

old

that's the same comedian who does the puddin' skits i posted on dam,agecontrlolz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHx4H6YrLgY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ffhEailyN8

rolling is this terrifying thread

I WANT ONE

I didn't really notice until recently, but bunch of white guys in a band called "Black Lips" kind of skeeves me out a little?

it would be better if they were goth

that's the same comedian who does the puddin' skits i posted on dam,agecontrlolz

eddie pepitone

didn't really notice until recently, but bunch of white guys in a band called "Black Lips" kind of skeeves me out a little?

Wasn't there a rap group called "Young Black Men" (or something like that) whose members were all white?

I think you mean these guys:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cb/Young_Black_Teenagers.jpg

^^ search: plead the fifth

http://notsoldinstores.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/obama-endorses-bad-boy-furniture/

^^^Not obviously racist, more of a harmless impersonation...unless you're aware that Bad Boy Furniture is owned by Mel Lastman, former mayor of Toronto, and of his unique attempt to bring the 2008 Olympic Games to the city:

http://sports.ca.msn.com/other/photos/gallery.aspx?cp-documentid=25934927&page=4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gerq4GpHpKw

WASS A MENCH?!

"That's why I'm here..." (at your dry cleaning shop)

"You know, so many people in this distri-"
"I'M KOREAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Tommy Wiseau directed that political advertisement

"Knock knock."
"Who's there?"
"Interrupting Korean."
"Interrupting Kore-"
"I'M KOREAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

dying

'we minorities shld stick 2gether' - some korean

racial puppetry in left-wing commercials

also not doing much for the 'jewish dudes love azn girls' stereotype

"You know, so many people in this distri-"
"I'M KOREAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

― del griffith, Saturday, 14 May 2011 09:37 (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

utterly losing my shit over this

outbursts very much in koreacter

"I have issues!"

Pretty certain I know the answer to this, but I'd love to hear what the Elizabethans think.

http://www.jrpmcafee.com/images/Watermelonb.jpg

all things considered that can isn't nearly as bad as it could be

still back on that ad, tho

To be fair, there is another version of the can:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KP13Ae-Ihx0/SqZ2vFL2uKI/AAAAAAAAA_0/CVUwz-amMxI/s400/6a00d83452159069e200e5506d83148833-800wi.jpg

OMG THAT AD!

http://rgh.cc/albums/userpics/10001/Evolution_of_Darkie_Toothpaste.jpg

I'm wondering exactly how hard dude's wife punched him in the neck after she saw that ad

omfg @ Dan Adler commercial

IM KOREAN

otm

"You're Jewish!"
"My family is Jewish."

ad really delivers maximum wtf per cubic second

dude looks like george clooneyi mo

iirc darkie isn't considered racist in sth africa for some reason (they have Darkie clothing shops there: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17645356469&_fb_noscript=1)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqj1tr-Stek

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5222/5600485743_72f44f3c7f.jpg

google image search for "gangsta lean"

I think South Africa's kinda voided their right to tell me what is or isn't racist.

I think South Africa's kinda voided their right to tell me what is or isn't racist.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 15:16 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

(asking "is this racist", not agreeing with it)

I'm just saying, Apartheid only ended like 15 years ago, I'm sure they have plenty of fucked-up attitudes about what's racist.

biggest attitude they're dealing with atm is the world still thinking they're all racist

If you mark the Fair Housing Act of 1968 as the end of legislated racism in America then South Africa have only been at the whole equality game for half as long as the USA. "American racism only ended like 42 years ago, I'm sure they have plenty of fucked up attitudes about what's racist."

R.I.P. Racism

it was a good run

http://i.imgur.com/PTfA5.png

As for Dan Adler, the Hollywood executive whose ads went viral online with such slogans as "We Minorities Should Stick Together," and "Dan Adler: He Gets Shit Done," with his young son declaring that "my dad gets shit done" -- he got only 285 votes, for 0.5%. It looks like maybe he doesn't "get shit done."

Aw, that's too bad.

Your search - "judeo-korean hegemony" - did not match any documents.

cool blog!

http://www.pwsnt.com/

Shocked, shocked, to see someone from Southaven on there.

Aw, pwsnt.com shut down!

http://www.ozarksunbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/prison_farms.jpg

Official bi-weekly published by the Arkansas Farm Bureau

http://arfb.com/news_information/front-porch/PDF/fpjuly11.pdf

(I couldn't find the "rolling 'this is racist!' thread".)

bi-monthly, I should've said.

the kicker is "cool watermelon recipes"

that should upset me but I'm am holding back guffaws

URL on the cover is an anagram of www.barf.com

there doesn't seem to be a single element in that photo that couldn't have existed 50 or 100 yrs ago

Well, aside from the black prison guard on horseback.

I'm trying to reconcile in my mind the person at the photo shoot who said, "Uh, maybe we should get a black officer on the horse instead of Bubba Stanley," with the designer back at the office who said, Now where are we going to promote the watermelon recipes?

hmmmn yeah maybe

when did it become legal/normal/etc for prisons to employ black officers

1992.

http://i.imgur.com/6NDEC.png

rawr

the coverage of her is full of shit, described as 'power behind the throne' as if rupe was some harmless genial old fuck before his brain was CONTROLLED BY AZN AMAZON WOMAN

Anything to distract attention from hacking phones and blanket media power. Anything at all

noticed the front page of telegraph today 'how tiger wives defend their husbands' or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8NECjDoves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y-cxdruYQc

somehow the idea of a "chicken, ham, and cheese burger" is the most offensive part of that.

i guess the first question is, "does it look like a chapelle's show skit?"

in case u missed buzza's youtube from a few days ago before it got taken down, its at the end of this news story about said youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ3wD_yQrFY

this Asian guy seemed a little "over the edge" (although I actually loved these commercials)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hadvDHyEwE

http://i.imgur.com/iqANC.png

i don't even get what he was even trying to say unless he was just being blatantly racist

just a really horribly formed joke?

lol @ moby as arbiter of the genuine

among other things

moby is truly the worst

hope he gets gilbert godfrey'd for this

well, moby isn't actually doing anything

that is a classic example of how Twitter is terrible

you are not talking to your friends in private, you are blasting nonsense out to everyone on Earth

stop it

guys hop on my new trending topic: http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23mobyisaracist

Seriously, Moby should not be allowed access to a keyboard (computer or musical).

well, moby isn't actually doing anything

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:34 AM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark

moby was the new aflac duck :-/

Can't wait to hear his shitty, ill-formed "justification".

"I like black people! Remember that video I did with the fake gold teeth and Gwen Stefani? ... What's that? That's not helping?"

Maybe Moby's NASA gig in 1992 will be cancelled.

wait...moby is the new aflac duck?

yes.

yeah, that's why eminem says "nobody purchases AFLAC" on his single w/ royce da 5' 9" and bruno mars

you almost had me until royce da 59

http://www.solargeneral.com/mirrors/national-vanguard/www.nationalvanguard.org/images/teaser/chirpin.jpg

if you'd said 'buys' instead of 'purchases' . . .

http://i.imgur.com/oOVzi.png

no, no, no... i wasnt saying its absurd that black women should be in MoMa... i was just saying its so lol that MILLIONAIRE JAY-Z RAPPED ABOUT SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE PROJECTS

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/3/28/129142655479103091.jpg

moby never heard that saying about "when you're in a hole", obv

racist guy just thinking baout things

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/04/28/garden/28moby-span/28moby-span-articleLarge.jpg

Gr80 when will P4k interview you about ruining Moby's career? lol, good work man!

the new hood, i guess.

Can't wait to hear his shitty, ill-formed "justification".

me otm, even though it wasn't quite as great as I hoped it would be... it was still worth seeing him dig a deeper hole

Very suspicious of folks who address the world as "people."

"Okay, PEOPLE. You misheard me.

"Um, PEOPLE, hello?"

"PEOPLE, U know what I'm sayin."

http://i.imgur.com/oOVzi.png

no, no, no... i wasnt saying its absurd that black women should be in MoMa... i was just saying its so lol that MILLIONAIRE JAY-Z RAPPED ABOUT SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE PROJECTS

― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Wednesday, August 10, 2011 4:26 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

god, what an idiot

Moby
@thelittleidiot why does my <3 feel so sad?

i hate to be cap'n save a moby, but i've had lots of convos with dude and everything points to the fact that dude seriously likes rap music. i think he was just making a dumb joke about the subject matter and it came off wrong.

When I talk about white supremacy in this context, I am talking about the ability of white people to move further in virtually every sphere of US life due to their whiteness. Do you think it is a coincidence that Moby’s appearance on a recent cover of ‘Wired’ is set against an all-white background with only parts of his face peeking through the monochromatic cover? Why, in a recent issue of the UK magazine, ‘Muzik’, is Moby shown on the cover with a white T-shirt, on a white background, holding a wand that radiates bright white light? These are the representational practices that continually consolidate white supremacy.

One could make the claim that Moby just worked hard, produced a lot of tracks, refined his style, and moved beyond ‘dance music’ to create an entirely new genre. In other words, he was just good at what he did and his talent was recognized. That claim is without merit. Yes, he worked hard and actually made some good rave tracks for Instinct in the early ‘90s. He subsequently moved on and fashioned full-length albums which won him praise. ‘Play’ made the top ten on a number of critics’ year-end lists in 2001. Was this album ‘adventurous’, ‘ground-breaking’, or ‘innovative’? No. There are eighteen-year old artists in the projects of Houston’s 5th Ward who made ‘electronic’ records in the same year so profoundly experimental, their influence won’t be understood for years. (This is the phenomenon of ‘screwed & chopped’ music, which I’ve not the space to talk about yet).

Moby
@thelittleidiot thats when i reach for my revolver

guys, his comment can't be racist... whiney has met him!!!

You mean

@thelittleidiot that's when I tell her that it's over.

lol oh yeah sorry, good luck usa

I don't think he tells her that it's over when black people talk about MoMa

guys, his comment can't be racist... whiney has met him!!!

― ☝ (am0n), Wednesday, August 10, 2011 4:38 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

lol

i hate to be cap'n save a moby, but i've had lots of convos with dude and everything points to the fact that dude seriously likes rap music. i think he was just making a dumb joke about the subject matter and it came off wrong.

― Erin Go! Bwaaaah!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, August 10, 2011 4:37 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

for someone that loves rap music, he apparently has no idea what jay-z had rapped about since like 2003

he can't be racist… he likes rap music!

cap'n pitch-a-fit-over-every-lil-racist-thing-except-when-its-a-famous-musician-youve-had-"convos"-with

Also, growing up in a small town in the middle of cornfields I can definitively confrom that "liking rap music" and "being racist" are not mutually exclusive.

"confirm" damnit

a small town in the middle of confirm?

that routine's kind of losing its luster, al

"kind of"

i didn't realize it was a routine! i was just joking about the fact that my eyes played tricks on me when i saw jon's correction and then saw there were two words that started with "conf" in the previous post. sorry if you guys think i'm being overly jokey or obnoxious or something, i wasn't trying to be mean or snarky, just off the cuff and silly.

I didn't think it was snarky or mean, just "kind of" a played out meme on ilx in general.

Anyway, lets focus on the important issue at hand - racist, vegan electronic musicians.

Then you got the Beastie Boys rapping about Boggle. I guess all the frat guys are into puzzle games now? LOL.

what meme was that? sorry idgi

http://www.moby.com/journal/2000-10-16/racism.html

racism.html

http://www.moby.com/sites/all/themes/destroyed/images/mobydotcom-header.jpg

people who have had convos with moby about rap music

Thats a lot of white people, suspect.

I don't know. I think I spot a Malaysian piano in the middle somewhere.

Chris Rock says he's not a racist, so I trust him. Dude knows a lot about racism.

i highly doubt that moby is a racist. but he did say some at least quasi-racist shit in those two tweets.

well the second one is less racist and more "i have no clue about rap music"

eat my ass, am0n

would am0n be able to say he's a "convo" with you after this exchange

WE GOT A GREAT BIG CONVO ROCKIN THROUGH THE NIGHT

though asking Chris Rock "am I racist?" gives me the same feeling as Eminem dueting with Elton John to quell all the "homophobic" talk

my dad told me off cos when i was 7 i thought the chorus was "We're gonna drive this fuckin convoy/Cross the USA"

though asking Chris Rock "am I racist?" gives me the same feeling as frogbs IMing calum to quell all the "troll" talk

http://www.spiritual.com.au/images/prince/Prince_contents.gif + http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_78ZrJuZ3q5g/TBU9YZ0yR4I/AAAAAAAAC4U/DLtKrl7bZIE/s320/skinhead+morons.jpg = http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/252/130045.jpg

dave cool getting pretty butthurt itt

fyi, all i was trying to say is that moby was like making sure Nikki D was getting work in 1999 and going out of his way to work with Public Enemy in the '00s, and writes mad royalty checks to Spoonie G, and I'm guessing his relationship with rap music is a little deeper than "LOL BLACK PPL TALKIN BOUT THE HOOD"

but please keep trying to suzy me, am0n

i thought moby was black

you're thinking of rog from what's happening

i don't think you have to be a card-carrying racist to make the occasional clumsy unfunny racially stereotyped tweet

... but it doesn't hurt!

(sorry)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2spnSLkYUoQ/SSbaXEb17QI/AAAAAAAAAY0/FDwi1jG0LSg/s400/colonel_klink.jpg

Dan i'd already thought of that punchline then i forgot to do it

http://www.rockshirtplaza.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/524.jpg

the moby symbol is actually a broken swastika

but please keep trying to suzy me, am0n

― Erin Go! Bwaaaah!!! (http://www.commentspamcomedy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/clown-sad.jpg), Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:37 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPNceNV5bh8

moby: "i don't care if you're black, white, green, blue man group.."

lol

even the whale was white

is 'oi vey' the kind of music that jewdriver plays?

xpost LMFAO

going out of his way to work with Public Enemy in the '00s

You make it sound like he was doing them a favor.

well tbh

I refuse to post the Custosesque Moby going out of his way to work with Flavor Flav dialogue going on in my head right now.

you're welcome, ilx.

to be a fly on the wall

pretty sure Eric Clapton's not racist, he's played loads of black people's music

Elvis Costello hangs out in New Orleans and I mean

did he write mad royalty checks to muddy waters

Don't invoke my name to justify your petty internecine shit, please.

It's dumb (and ironic) for Moby to josh about rappers in museums or whatever because he's definitely been the rich popstar invited to the art dinner purely because some gallerist or collector thought they were being edgy in 2001. I think he was doing that thing of speaking with complacency because a) he's 45 and b) until this moment he was operating under the misapprehension that he had one of those elusive 'free passes' - in any case it is not an appropriate joke and I'm disappointed.

http://www.film-forward.com/boogieman.jpg

why... why are they making those faces

what is the boogie doing to them

for someone that loves rap music, he apparently has no idea what jay-z had rapped about since like 2003

A charitable interpretation might be that Moby was just musing about how far Jay-Z had come, that rapping about MoMA was the apotheosis of an ongoing trend.

that is a classic example of how Twitter is terrible

you are not talking to your friends in private, you are blasting nonsense out to everyone on Earth

stop it

― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, August 9, 2011 3:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

i've had lots of convos with some dude and everything points to the fact that some dude seriously likes rap music.

A charitable interpretation might be that Moby was just musing about how far Jay-Z had come, that rapping about MoMA was the apotheosis of an ongoing trend.

― jaymc, Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:08 PM (1 hour ago)

nahhhhh can't be!

"It's over, frizz-head," chanted hundreds of jubilant men and women massed in Green Square, using a mocking nickname of the curly-haired Qaddafi.

too soon?

though asking Chris Rock "am I racist?" gives me the same feeling as frogbs IMing calum to quell all the "troll" talk

wait what

It was a stupid analogy based on frogbs being a horrible troll.

did this get talked about at all?

http://www.adweek.com/files/imagecache/node-blog/blogs/nivea-re-civilize-yourself.jpg

holy shit

yo @ that

more like lolling "is this racist?" if you ask me

yo @ that

―  (gr8080), Monday, August 22, 2011 1:55 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://www.behance.net/gallery/Surf-Whiteness-is-back/1898829

http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles3/216203/projects/1898829/82282d60f1938ad0c412e7ecbb587348.jpg

http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles3/216203/projects/1898829/f3691bb52311ed5e45bcb1a50c933126.jpg

WTF

darlie: don't, surf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5glCEfLdBPg&feature=related

btw nivea pulled that ad and apologies but yikes

http://www.facebook.com/NIVEAusa/posts/10150269379106295

ladies and gentlemen, australia!

The Surf thing is Sth Africa btw.

oh alright n/m

guys that eric church song

can i just

yikes

yeah woah

if only black ppl would stop their life of crimes and come bale some hay on eric church's farm....real sad, bill cosby was right

hahah otm

A little IM convo I had with my severely misguided co-worker after he sent me this link:
http://www.callofduty.com/xp (Kanye going to be performing at some Call of Duty event)

Me: cool

Him: i think it's gay as a french trombone

uh, well ok

not at all what i want to hear at that event

your loss pal, dude knows how to rock a crowd

i guess
he beat a woman
the fact that we place him on a pedestal after that amazes me
actually, it disgusts me

what are you talking about?

either way, he was a douche nozzle and acted like a moron on stage with Taylor Swift
so i'm disgusted either way

chris brown was the beater
kanye is just arrogant

so they're both total douches

nah thats another level
that taylor swift thing was top notch
laughs for days

disrespectful is what it was … just another piece of gutter trash that got money and got famous … zero. class.

GUTTER TRASH?
walking a fine line there buddy, learn what your talking about
GUTTER TRASH!?
dude comes from a normal middle class fam

well he still acted like gutter trash and continues to do so in nearly every instance i have seen him on video

he's a pompous pop star, nothing new man

i don't ever recall him doing anything to HELP society …

not like your looking

but i guess the masses will pay money for whatever … doesn't matter the quality of the individual producing it

youve gotta be kidding me
cant believe u even make that argument

he's one in a list of thousands
dude, hollywood is FULL of that crap

ya so

you're forgetting, i would happily have california break off into the ocean … the country would be better off … a lot of innocent people would wash away in the process, but the greater good that would come from it would be worth it

my point is just that we know that the internet is terrible, we don't need it to be solemnly pointed out that people are racist

― J0rdan S., Saturday, July 23, 2011 3:48 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

those surf ads are obvious shops right?

I think it's real.

the text does not line up with the margins of the page and looks like someone just typed it directly on the image

Those are 100% shops, there's no way the print on the ads would be that crisp and bright when everything else is faded. I mean, has it been that long since you guys have seen a real newspaper?

ive seen pixels etc

http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/196/12/63079.html

Okay, at least someone, somewhere along the line must have questioned this article headline, right?

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/08/576x324_vickwhite_01.jpg

just to clarify, if they had photoshop blackfaced Tom Brady I'm sure a lot of people would have a problem with it

OH MY GOD

how is this guy still around?

uhhh what exactly is bannable about that in the rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

i'd hate to see what happens to you when you get exposed to any other areas of the internet

Its just that you are constantly bringing up race in the worst possible ways. You do know how ridiculous the "but you know if a white guy did this it would be bad, right?" line of argument is right?

i'd hate to see what happens to you when you get exposed to any other areas of the internet

― frogbs, Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:45 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark

so your defense is basically "just bringing you a lil bit of that 4chan experience, right here on ilx! *winks at the camera*"

explain the context of vickwhite.jpg to me

The 4Chan Experience has an EP coming out on XL, right

http://deadspin.com/5834454/espn-the-magazine-decides-that-michael-vick-is-white-again xp

frogbs walks up to a random person and hits him in the knee with a tire iron. the person, crumpled on the ground, writhing in pain, looks up at frogbs and says, "WHAT THE FUCK, MAN????". frogbs responds, "jeez, i'd hate to see what happens when you get exposed to the russian mafia"

more correctly http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/id/6894586/imagining-michael-vick-white-quarterback-nfl-espn-magazine xp

ok, there's no way that's the "worst possible way", that's not even close to the worst thing that can be said about that picture. but yeah that's a pretty standard line of thinking. i thought exploring the differences between how certain races are treated in the media was kinda the point of this thread?

explain the context of vickwhite.jpg to me

was posted on ESPN the magazine

so your defense is basically "just bringing you a lil bit of that 4chan experience, right here on ilx! *winks at the camera*"

stop being stupid, why the hell should I defend myself for suggesting there's no way in hell they'd reverse the roles here

Remember that time everyone thought Arnold Schwarzeneggar and Val Kilmer's love child killed his wife and a waiter?

http://thislooksshopped.com/images/simpson_wired.jpg

i'm not saying that you shouldn't, i'm just saying that defending yourself in any fashion by saying "jeez you must really hate the COMPLETE racist trolls on the internet" is prob not helping your case

xp

anyway i don't think we need to go over why blackface is offensive and whiteface is really not, but ymmv

explain the context of vickwhite.jpg to me

my first thought was that that was a manequin of Brian Austin Green in a football uniform

no but reacting to something like that with "OH MY GOD HOW ARE YOU STILL HERE" raises a couple of eyebrows and kinda explains why the IA thread is like 500000 posts

anyway i don't think we need to go over why blackface is offensive and whiteface is really not, but ymmv

so exactly where are you drawing the line here. is it offensive to photoshop someone as Chinese, for instance? or just any race but white?

How is it not 51 yet?

it's really too bad you can't sb from zing touch

jon you really are the worst

so exactly where are you drawing the line here. is it offensive to photoshop someone as Chinese, for instance? or just any race but white?

racial politics are a continuum, there's no "one size fits all" policy. historical power dynamics are involved.

why am I bothering...

i...need to stop doing this, but frogbs are you saying that brian austin green mike vick is offensive to white people somehow?

there is that painful centuries-long tradition of depicting white men with goatees i guess

hmm

they BAG'ed Michael Vick

maybe that's what that line in "Bedrock" was talking about?

brian austin green mike vick!

so exactly where are you drawing the line here.

It's behind you.

frogbs thinks I'm the worst, feel like I should get a badge to wear with pride or something

i...need to stop doing this, but frogbs are you saying that brian austin green mike vick is offensive to white people somehow?

actually I kinda think it may be more offensive to black people

okay, then you didn't need to frame it in opposition to blackface

racial politics are a continuum, there's no "one size fits all" policy. historical power dynamics are involved.

why am I bothering...

well, yeah, I'm just wondering if a national publication bringing up this sort of thing at all is just in bad taste even if the image itself isn't really going to offend anyone. they've already taken it off their website and the author of the article is going nuts on twitter trying to distance himself from it.

I would sb espn the magazine too if I could fwiw

so your defense is basically "just bringing you a lil bit of that 4chan experience, right here on ilx! *winks at the camera*"

or like, literally any other message board but this one

so exactly where are you drawing the line here. is it offensive to photoshop someone as Chinese, for instance? or just any race but white?

do you really not get it or do you just like it when people call you stupid? do you not recognize that in every context we'll likely be discussing, white people stand in a position of distinct advantage with respect to power dynamics? do you not see how that renders all your "how come it's offensive this way but not that way?" framings might seem remarkably stupid in light of said dynamics? dude seriously. just go fucking study this stuff someplace. it isn't hard.

okay, so basically, "its okay to clown people if they have the power advantage over you"

i mean, you do understand that that really wasn't my point at all, and that i'm not arguing that whiteface is offensive to white people for whatever reason. and of course, you can and have taken liberties yourself to try and make me look dumb, but I'm not saying "how does this relate to white people" there at all, I mean I know it sorta ruins your diatribe there but seriously, even you can think of some scenario in which this dynamic doesn't really exist, can't you? i'm saying the idea of photoshopping any race into any other race is something that probably shouldn't be done on a national stage since it really does call these issues to mind and is going to be looked upon poorly even if the general concept of picturing Vick as a white guy isn't going to ruffle any feathers.

Guys, what if frogbs was black.

Thnk about it.

just to clarify, if they had photoshop blackfaced Tom Brady I'm sure a lot of people would have a problem with it

― frogbs, Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:39 PM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark

so exactly where are you drawing the line here. is it offensive to photoshop someone as Chinese, for instance? or just any race but white?

― frogbs, Thursday, August 25, 2011 5:10 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark

do you see how if you post the above, your rhetoric sounds a lot like trolling "how come it's only okay to call out racism against black people" stuff, right? add that to your posting history. honestly, your language when you post about race itt is vague and sounds like you're uncomfortable and confused: "certain races" "call these issues to mind" and if you're not trolling, i think aero is right and you should maybe just learn some more.

even you can think of some scenario in which this dynamic doesn't really exist, can't you?

what dynamic are you referring to here?

What if frogbs was black... in my vagina?

Do you really want me to go into detail there? If we asked, what if Ichiro was from the Dominican Republic, and then photoshopped him as such, what would the response be? It sounds like racist trolling because that's what you've conditioned yourself to think.

smdh at frogbs getting into the exact same tizzy every single week and then going all "what? what did I do?"

it sounds like racist trolling because it's rhetoric one million racist trolls have employed before

It sounds like racist trolling because that's what you've conditioned yourself to think.

― frogbs, Thursday, August 25, 2011 5:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

i'm glad that we've entered the full OPEN YOUR EYES, SHEEPLE portion of the thread

even you can think of some scenario in which this dynamic doesn't really exist, can't you?

I can also imagine a world in which giraffes can sing. however, said world doesn't really inform the choices I make in how I express myself, because that world is fantasy-land.

It isn't just this thread he's been pulling this stuff in either, though. He's managed to hang around surprisingly long.

aero, you only think that giraffes can't sing because that's what you've conditioned yourself to think

xxxp - i mean really, does anyone have any arguments other than "you've posted questionable stuff before, therefore we must assume the worst of everything you've posted"?

YOU DON'T HAVE AN ARGUMENT

smdh at frogbs getting into the exact same tizzy every single week and then going all "what? what did I do?"

send your thanks to the low-content brigade

you never have an argument just these pseudoprovocative observations

What if frogbs was black... in my vagina?

http://www.ourclassweb.com/projects/webquest_frogs_tongue.jpg

open your eyes. also stretch your necks.

YOU DON'T HAVE AN ARGUMENT

yes, you're right, ESPN must have just misplaced the .jpg, that's why they took it down

seriously frogbs you wanna save yourself some trouble? just take ~absolutely everybody~'s word for it that you don't know what you're talking about when the subject of race comes up. adopt a beginner's mind to the subject. assume that whatever you think, you're wrong, and cheerfully accept the group consensus about it.

or keep up your "racist? I'm just saying!" schtick and get banned again, it really doesn't matter, whatever floats your boat

they didn't take it down iirc

i meant all your "what if tom brady in blackface" "what if ichiro was dominican" eh? eh? deep thoughts

omg PP :-D

adopt a beginner's mind to the subject.

this is good advice for lots of things

they took it down then put it back up when everyone was like "uh, you can't just pretend that you put up an illustration of michael vick as a white person"

NEW TOPIC:

This class description is from from the local adult-education center.

In this course, we'll examine the impact of white privilege and how being unaware of that advantage helps perpetuate racism. We'll discuss short readings and share everyday situations in which we did not speak up against racial bias. Using role-plays, we'll develop effective ways to speak up. While this course welcomes everyone, its focus is on the role of white people in dismantling racism and building a just society. Participants will be guided in developing specific plans for challenging racism in their workplace, organizations, communities, or personal circles, and will be encouraged to seek out and develop relationships with people in their lives who can provide support and serve as allies in efforts to address racism. This workshop is participatory, with a variety of inspiring readings, video clips, and activities. Limited to 15.

In the course catalogue, there's a caveat after that copy: "While this class is open to anyone, it is particularly designed to help white people ... " or something like that. I mean, I just don't even know what to ...

hahaha xp

aero - explain in your own words then why the pic was taken down, why it's such a big deal, and why the author tried so hard to distance himself from it. it's not ~absolutely everybody~, it's a selective group of white people with a tendency to make clusterfucks out of non-issues. in other words, maybe look around the internet a bit and see what they're saying?

i mean the thread title is "Is This Racist?" isn't it? shouldn't you be calling out every single poster in here if they're not sure?

The title of the class is WHITE PEOPLE CONFRONTING RACISM

Point missed completely. Well done.

xp

aero - explain in your own words then why the pic was taken down, why it's such a big deal, and why the author tried so hard to distance himself from it. it's not ~absolutely everybody~, it's a selective group of white people with a tendency to make clusterfucks out of non-issues. in other words, maybe look around the internet a bit and see what they're saying?

lol you're hopeless. "look around the internet, maybe listen to some racists? there are places that don't ban people for racist garbage, go hear what those people have to say!"

http://blackfrogmusic.com/pics/sturgis.jpg

ahh. so it's everyone ELSE who has the problem. deadspin is racist. every sports message board is racist. ESPN is racist. the author of that article was a racist. i think this actually explains a lot of your posts.

changing the dude's skincolor was always gonna be controversial. race is quite the issue, frogbs. but your arguments here were terrible, and they routinely are, which is why ppl don't like them, and sometimes you.

Black face is offensive because it was used for several generations to depict ppl as inferior and also because minstrel shows were a smokescreen to appropriate and profit from cultural modes, such as dance and song, that were otherwise too scary.

The long and storied history of whiteface can basically consists of 'White Chicks' to my knowledge and anybody with the remaining privilege attached to being white in this country should probably not bother to be offended or pretend to be offended by that, though I wouldn't necessarily recommend actually paying money to see it.

I understand where you're coming from, frogs, but context is inescapable and pointless provocation is as annoying as pretending not to understand what the fuss is about, so motive is immaterial.

The shop is not great and the writer asked them not to title it 'What if Michael Vick were white?' A little controversy might sell a few more papers, though.

Ok - I seriously do know why black face is offensive and why white face is not. My question is, since that's the case, why the hell was such a big deal made out of the image? My guess was that it sort of begs the question, but yeah I guess not

I like how you disappeared everybody who's not white from this board too - priceless, classic frogbs

also that's not what "begs the question" means you incredibly stupid person

i think if you stopped being aggressive and confused about race and dialed it down to just confused, you'd run into less trouble here, frogbs

Ok - I seriously do know why black face is offensive and why white face is not

get one history book

dont you think for one second that i don't open the WDYLL threads

also that's not what "begs the question" means you incredibly stupid person

there you go, you finally scored one

My question is, since that's the case, why the hell was such a big deal made out of the image? My guess was that it sort of begs the question, but yeah I guess not

― frogbs, Thursday, August 25, 2011 5:55 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark

you keep shifting what your question is itt for what it's worth. makes it seem like you don't really have a question/issue/argument, you're just trying to start shit/on a one-man mission to save ilx's soul from the forces of "political correctness" or whatever

it is quite telling that nobody's even had a go at the original question here

if you count up the ones you didn't get because you're too stupid my score'd be higher but I get how yr condition precludes the math

T/F frogbs, you have uttered the phrase "political correctness gone too far" more than once irl.

adopt a beginner's mind to the subject.

This is completely on the money by the way. I sort of feel for u on here frogbs, god knows why. You won't catch me clicking suggest ban for you. And you don't seem a troll or racist to me. But you seem to be crashing in the same car all the bloody time, and when people call you out on it, or even give you a context you don't see because you lack the knowledge about things like this, you become a querulant, highly defensive and foolishly stubborn.

you keep shifting what your question is itt for what it's worth.

no, it's always been "does the theoretical reversal of roles here explain why this was such a shitstorm"

briefly: historically white people asserted their authority/power over black people by caricaturing/ridiculing/controlling their image in popular culture using a variety of tools, one of which was blackface.

no dynamic wherein the respective roles of black and white people were reversed has ever existed

xp

your "original question" was a picture of brian austin green followed by this post:

just to clarify, if they had photoshop blackfaced Tom Brady I'm sure a lot of people would have a problem with it

― frogbs, Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

it is quite telling that nobody's even had a go at the original question here

no, it isn't. this is what racists say when they get called on their bullshit: "very interesting that nobody wants to address the question!" it's not interesting to anybody with a brain, though. (I'm glad you think commenters at sports blog count as the fucking intelligentsia though, that's pretty illuminating.) the actual question is "why do you think it's ok to swing in here with racist 'what if the roles were reversed?' garbage?"

http://www.puppetopia.com/giraffe/Info.htm#e

xxp as in, no question but the thread title, and the context on which I am guessing it caused shitstorm

guys, let's all take a step back and remember what's really important here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXGYDVKNCd4

no, this is why you're getting hammered:

just to clarify, if they had photoshop blackfaced Tom Brady I'm sure a lot of people would have a problem with it

― frogbs, Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

every sports message board is racist.

pretty much?

no, it isn't. this is what racists say when they get called on their bullshit: "very interesting that nobody wants to address the question!" it's not interesting to anybody with a brain, though. (I'm glad you think commenters at sports blog count as the fucking intelligentsia though, that's pretty illuminating.) the actual question is "why do you think it's ok to swing in here with racist 'what if the roles were reversed?' garbage?"

i'm not saying they're intelligent, i'm saying cool it on all the low content race whining and make a fucking argument.

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool shakey

do you not find that statement true, aero?

frogbs do you not see the kernel of "black people are the real racists" within that post?

frogbs i think you're misunderstanding why it was a shitstorm in the first place

There's nothing inherently wrong with whiteface or blackface but pretending like the last 500 years haven't happened is nagl, frogs. Do you not see that?

that's what i always think about you, froggie, you're the insists-on-rigorous-argumentation guy

no question but the thread title,

okay so your question is "is it racist for ESPN to publish a picture ow Michael Vick in whiteface"? My answer is eh kind of, insofar as (what I assume is) a bunch of non-black people treating a black man's skin color as a source of humor is pretty racist. I can't really fathom why anybody black would think putting Michael Vick in whiteface would be remotely entertaining/worthwhile/of interest to anybody, but hey I could be wrong I guess.

xp

http://www.ldc.upenn.edu/exploration/expl2000/papers/bell/examples/images/oed1bmod.gif

i'm not saying they're intelligent, i'm saying cool it on all the low content race whining and make a fucking argument.

there is no call for anybody to make an argument when you swing in with clueless racist crap - why would anybody bother? you get the sb clicks you crave, everybody else gets to tell you that your racism is a drag, it's win/win

also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EY4ZqQ4L18&feature=related

Guys guys we just aren't "deep" enough to get on his level, what with all of our "low content race whining" and whatnot.

frogbs do you not see the kernel of "black people are the real racists" within that post?

That's definitely not what I intended, but yeah now I'm starting to understand why you guys are getting so upset.

When I say "a lot of people would have a problem with it", I mean just that with no 'hidden subtext', I mean everyone regardless of race would find that pretty wrong.

to COURAGEOUSLY address your question: i don't people were clutching their pearls because omg what an offensive image. i think it was mostly "if you're gonna write an article about imagining mike vick as a white person then do what you do, but it's weird, unnecessary and a bit too on the nose to actually photoshop the guy as a white person. nobody needs that, because if we were so inclined we could imagine such a thing in our heads. it seems very trolly."

guys just fyi, those of you who're on the fence, stet recoded the board so clicking "sb" next to frogbs's login is just a way of acknowledging that you read his post - he gets a notification about it - his screen name is supposed to remind you to do it but I think some people are forgetting

low content race whining is the title of my memoir

do ppl really start sbing ppl the minute some shitstorm breaks out?

okay so your question is "is it racist for ESPN to publish a picture ow Michael Vick in whiteface"? My answer is eh kind of, insofar as (what I assume is) a bunch of non-black people treating a black man's skin color as a source of humor is pretty racist. I can't really fathom why anybody black would think putting Michael Vick in whiteface would be remotely entertaining/worthwhile/of interest to anybody, but hey I could be wrong I guess.

I dont think the point was anything to spark controversy, which obviously it has
The question I guess is why, and my guess would be the whole question of role reversal that inevitably shows up whenever you do something like this
Maybe I'm just wrong on this?

maybe. maybe you should take the hint from all the (admittedly unnecessary) ad hominems and walk away for now b/c this thread is obviously not going to be a substantive discussion in the way you want.

I only sb geir tbh

i don't people were clutching their pearls because omg what an offensive image. i think it was mostly "if you're gonna write an article about imagining mike vick as a white person then do what you do, but it's weird, unnecessary and a bit too on the nose to actually photoshop the guy as a white person. nobody needs that, because if we were so inclined we could imagine such a thing in our heads. it seems very trolly."

Yeah I don't want to suggest it's something that's actually offensive, just more a thing where everyone can agree it's kind of in bad taste. Like yeah I don't think anybody's getting all uppity about that and I certainly don't want to suggest that I was.

The question I guess is why,

I just told you why...? because it's non-black people using a black person's skin color as a source of humor/provocation. which is racist.

now, a white-person-in-blackface thing would be considerably MORE racist because of, as Michael White notes, the 500 years of history behind the practice

yeah there's no such thing as whiteface really; that's why brian austin green's face up there doesn't signify much at all

which means "role reversal" doesn't seem like a precise enough description of whatever it is you're trying to get at, frogbs

Michael White Vick

was that racist

which means "role reversal" doesn't seem like a precise enough description of whatever it is you're trying to get at, frogbs

well, my idea of it is that if there was no such thing as "blackface", this probably wouldn't have been such a big deal

I think it's the same reason why you wouldn't really see a word like honky or cracker printed in a derogatory sense in a magazine, it's not like any white people could be offended at them , it just opens up another can of worms that doesn't really sit well

in my vagina

you won't see honky or cracker printed in a derogatory sense in a magazine because those epithets have no weight for the same reason there's no such thing as whiteface.

THIS REMINDS ME OF WHEN FREDDIE GIBBS WAS BOASTING ABT BEING THE FIRST GANGSTA RAPPER SINCE NWA ON THE COVER OF LA WEEKLY, AND SPACEAGEHUSTLE WAS ALL LIKE FOOL U FORGOT ABT BRIAN AUSTIN GREENE

lol i am glad you're back

well, my idea of it is that if there was no such thing as "blackface", this probably wouldn't have been such a big deal

I think it's the same reason why you wouldn't really see a word like honky or cracker printed in a derogatory sense in a magazine, it's not like any white people could be offended at them , it just opens up another can of worms that doesn't really sit well

― frogbs, Friday, August 26, 2011 12:32 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

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i love that this shit is coming so fast that neither of the following either merited attention as standouts:

in other words, maybe look around the internet a bit and see what they're saying? - somehow almost the actual antonym for 'crack open a book why don't you'

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Like yeah I don't think anybody's getting all uppity about that and I certainly don't want to suggest that I was.

which you know just let's take this in one word at a time and see if we hit any problems along the way

i can't tell if he says stuff like "uppity" on purpose or not!

Yes, I noticed that myself and cringed at its ineptitude.

burn thread

aw, you guys

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On the first page of Google results for just plain "uppity"

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Rep. Lynn Westmoreland, a conservative Republican from Georgia, let slip today what critics have been saying is the subtext of many of the attacks on Barack Obama: He's "uppity."

According to The Hill, a Capitol Hill newspaper, Westmoreland was discussing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's acceptance speech outside the House chamber today when he veered into his thoughts on Michelle and Barack Obama.

"Just from what little I've seen of her and Mister Obama, Senator Obama, they're a member of an elitist class individual that thinks that they're uppity," Westmoreland said.

When a reporter sought clarification on the racially loaded word, Westmoreland replied, "Uppity, yeah."

RACIALLY LOADED WORD

IN ALL CAPS IN CASE FROGBS MISSED IT

xxxpost

c'mon man i'm trying to believe in the greater frogbs of our nature, don't do that

yeah, but what you missed is that Obama is half-white

(that's the uppity part)