btw all movies look appalling now

http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo305/lejospopo/orangeandteal.jpg

ever since i read about the orange and teal thing it is like i cant watch anything because of how shitty and gross they look

the white ribbon looks great amirite

(it does, too!)

Sub-topic for thread: recent colour movies that look great. Go!

Lars von Trier used orange and teal pretty effectively in his early post-apocalyptic noir Element of Crime (1984).

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3023/3013199012_4b762f24b4.jpg

I'd agree that unmotivated use of digital color timing is usually bad.

for reference

http://theabyssgazes.blogspot.com/2010/03/teal-and-orange-hollywood-please-stop.html

http://theabyssgazes.blogspot.com/2010/03/teal-and-orange-part-2.html

The orange and teal thing has been a peeve of mine for a couple years now. I'm glad people are catching on to it... maybe if enough moviegoers proclaim that it is a shit color scheme they will stop doing everything in it.

It made sense in Tron though... the two factions were Orange and Blue... but mostly my reaction is just "ugh come on make shit look real, like 70s film!" I am so tired of hyperrealistic film treatments in things that aren't like sci-fi or fantasy.

I'm grading my movie next month, I'll bear this in mind

why did you make a movie

why does any man do anything. it's the journey, not the destination.

I understand why the orange and teal thing is annoying and lazy, but I don't think the treatment itself necessarily looks bad.

I read about this phenon. on /film regarding movie posters but had no idea it applied to the color palettes of the films themselves as well.
http://talkingship.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Avatar-Movie-Poster.jpg
and this came up as well, exhibiting the same:
http://liguified.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/avatar_poster2.jpg
showing that the effect trickles down to promo shots for kids cartoons.

http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/sports/NFLmiamidolphins/NFL_miami_dolphins_1.jpg

is that from boy in the striped pyjamas?

what is source of 'orange and teal thing'?

Soderbergh

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Q2z1M3wzz-Q/S53GmDjxpNI/AAAAAAAAAMY/YHVf-zEF3TA/s320/mona-lisa+copy.jpg

As it happens, DaVinci Systems is responsible for most high end digital color grading hardware.

I'd never conciously noticed this before, but as soon as I saw the images on that blog, it was like "oh yeah, that". Once it's brought to your attention, I guess it's going to leap out at you all the time. In that, it reminds me of digital brickwall mastering in music - I doubt I'm the first person who's made that comparison, somehow - which makes me think it's not going away anytime soon.

The other thing that it reminds me of is the old 2-strip technicolor process from the 20's and very early '30s, example:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3243/2849002169_859b8f92d9.jpg

I guess they had an excuse in that there was nothing else available. Also, the 2 colours they used were prettier I guess? The screengrabs in that blog are pretty garish & ugly. I wonder if they'll wind up remastering classic films using that aesthetic.

shasta otm

ahahaha this thread

I'd never conciously noticed this before, but as soon as I saw the images on that blog, it was like "oh yeah, that". Once it's brought to your attention, I guess it's going to leap out at you all the time

otm

I've ranted about it before but there's also that desaturated color thing where all the reds look like pinks and everything else looks grey and drab. Started with Saving Private Ryan I think and just continued to be Hollywood's stock signifier for "gritty".

The orange/teal thing seems to have popped up pretty recently

destroy flickr

lol so the first video of any kind that i've watched since i read this article 10 mins ago is tonight's episode of the daily show & oh what's this, it's a promo for "the onion sports network"

http://i53.tinypic.com/2j363bs.png

oh god that blog post ruined my life

http://i51.tinypic.com/2n15i08.png

half of his posts are: HOW DARE SOMEONE COMBINE WHITE PEOPLE WITH SKY

i mean i get the legitimate problems in transformers, tron and hot-tub etc. and i don't like it but you know, a couple films spread over a few years have a certain colour scheme- omg its the end of cinema

and you know if his biggest problem with hottub time machine is the colouring...

half of his posts are: HOW DARE SOMEONE COMBINE WHITE PEOPLE WITH SKY

well, I did sort of think that myself about some of the shots, but then I clicked on this flickr link from the comments:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/romanmphotography/4430898117/
and went "ohhh yeah, that's what real flesh and sky looks like, and that is what movies look like now, gotcha"

Having read those blog posts, this trailer is hilarious I must admit:

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/lions_gate/brothers/

I like the odd red or purple garment, seemingly left in to provide some contrast from the otherwise totally orange/brown/teal spectrum.

by the way, i keep hearing "teal & orange" in my head to the tune of wiz khalifa's "black & yellow"

half of his posts are: HOW DARE SOMEONE COMBINE WHITE PEOPLE WITH SKY

i mean i get the legitimate problems in transformers, tron and hot-tub etc. and i don't like it but you know, a couple films spread over a few years have a certain colour scheme- omg its the end of cinema

lol just watch a couple movied and notice "y is the sky that color?"

like this will ruin all movies now and is way more widespread

fair enough. i wasn't exactly looking for colour realism in transformers 2. in fact i was disappointed at how much dialogue it had, so that seems even further down the list of probs

there is already a thread abt this btw - teal & orange.xls

love the bbc show that someone links to

yah this is not "stylisation" btw, its a cheap, gimmicky and lazy misuse of intro to color theory

are u kidding me with this? orange and blue are complementary that's why tv uses blue behind people shots.

bumblee is supposed to be yellow
tron is totally all about the blue v orange

multiple xposts: I hear it to the tune of the mountain goats' pink and blue.

keep on reading the thread title as 'btw all movies look appealing now'

i knew that as soon as this became a thing to notice that people would start bitching about it to an unreasonable degree - this only 'ruins' movies if you're a literal baby who can't pay attention to the story and characters - everyone wants to seem clued in and knowledgeable so they'll start bitching about color grading the same way they bitch about 'bad' CGI, handheld camerawork, or stock sound effects. True Grit and I'm Not There are a couple of movies I've seen recently that went nuts with the digital color grading and it didn't make them worse movies at all - and in True Grit's case, it was better for it. it's just a tool.

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/101103/mat-damon-true-grit_320.jpg

it's still silly tho

Yes, only babies care about how a film looks. Let's fire all the cinematographers while we're at it. And who needs film scores? Or good actors? I mean, god, movies should really just be audio books all read by some dude with a nasal voice. I mean, it's all about the characters and the story.

yeah, but it's a tool, like any other, that can do damage when used incorrectly, or just plain thoughlessly. i'm sometimes fine with radical manipulation and compression of a film's color palette, so long as it looks good and makes sense. but all too often it doesn't. far too many contemporary films have their entire color schemes squashed into clashing panes of blue and orange for no apparent reason other than that it's trendy to do so. sure, it makes everything look sharp and loud, "dynamic", but it also tends to rob photography & lighting of their nuance. and come on, at a certain point the endless parade of oompa-loompa orange faces starts to seem ridiculous. watching jean pierre jeunet's micmacs earlier tonight, i hit the wall. i couldn't take it any more. i'm sick to death of worlds painted entirely in steely blue gray and burnt orange. hey, maybe with some bright sky blue and bluish green and maybe even a few splashes of (brickish) red here and there for "color."

the contrast-pumped, desaturated, all blue-gray LOTR/saving private ryan thing was bad enough, when everything had to look jagged and dismal, like a particularly threatening gatorade commercial. now that everyone's trying to juice that same lousy formula up with these two particular colors - and always these two particular colors - it's become a joke, and a line has to be drawn.

i hear you contenderizer, some movies definitely take it too far - that screenshot of hot tub time machine is horrible - but its hardly the 'plague' that people are making it out to be, and furthermore people noticing it has led to people complaining about the simple concept of contrasting colors. its mostly used in excess on popcorn movies - flicks where its not really a crime to 'rob photography & lighting of their nuance'

yeah i wish hollywood would go back to the distracting oversaturation of technicolor, or yeah fuck it just bring it back to b&w who needs all these ppl fucking around with color anyway, they are out of their depth when they fuck with ~color theory~

thread basically boils down to 'snobby art school homos think the masses dont deserve colors'

i prefer this to yellow/purple tbh

something to be said for red/green though

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTI5NzcyOTE1M15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNDEyNDY3Mw@@._V1._SX640_SY450_.jpg

http://www.tescodvdrental.com/tesco/images/products/screenshots/0/1210-4-large.jpg

Does anyone think modern SVU is one of the most pukey examples of this? Teal, orange but kind of desaturated at times too? I guess it's because in films they have the resources to put it to a kind of fairytale effect, whereas on TV it just seems like your colour perception has been reduced.

btw I think this is fine as a kind of fad. Fads themselves are fine, they just shouldn't stay around too long

yeah, every era has its look, im sure movies wont be looking like Transformers 2 in 2025 - a lot of stuff shot in the 80s looked like shit due to changing film stock technology.

technicolor and black and white were technological limitations (and breakthroughs), the best their eras could offer. and though technicolor was hardly realistic, it made sense in the wake of decades of black and white. the blue & orange thing is different. it seems, more than anything else, like a product of blue-ray and massive high-def televisions, of people wanting everything to be razor sharp and insanely vibrant (but still dark & gritty in the contemporary style). it also seems a product, perversely, of people watching films on tiny ipod/iphone screens. like brick wall audio compression, the all contrast, all the time strategy strives to make everything seem as visually loud as humanly possible. and like overcompressed audio, it gets exhausting fast.

again, it can be cool. i sometimes like the way color grading allow color films to function much like black & white, without seeming deliberately anachronistic.

Have nerds started regrading old trailers on youtube yet?

something to be said for red/green though

― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Thursday, January 6, 2011 4:56 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah, i was talking about micmacs earlier, but jeunet's big breakthrough came with amelie, a comprehensively red/green (and yellow) movie. green was big a decade back, exemplified, i guess, by the matrix, and still present in the LOTR films, though splitting the difference with blue there.

thinking about polling each decades 'look'

Thanks for ruining films for me forever dudes.

B&W FTW

btw I don't think that micmacs is a good example of this. that movie is just orange, what blue is in there is muted and more of an aquamarine imo. also it's so OTT, and it's kind of jeunet's 'signature' look

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Tr9w7RkGk

like, you're supposed to notice how garish everything looks, it adds to the weirdness of the movies, it's stylized. whereas with transformers and others they're trying to pass it off as 'this is how reality looks' until you notice that it actually isn't.

so are we at the point where everyone refuses to admit michael bay movies are stylized? i mean you can say they are, it doesnt carry any positive or negative connotation, its just an accurate description of what they are

of course bay's movies are stylized, but the motives are different

Has anybody ever really done purple/yellow? I was thinking that the first Batman movie might have done this.. or possibly Dick Tracy in places

i get that different eras & technologies of production have their own distinct looks but digital color grading is a pretty effective way to ensure continuity of palette between shots. no question it's been abused but it has legit uses.

and yeah hyper-real colors are a legit use, if you're going for hyper-reality

the opening of Grand Canyon takes place at a lakers game xp

but digital color grading is a pretty effective way to ensure continuity of palette between shots.

yeah before different films would react to light differently, in ways that you couldn't really control. in the age of digital, the technology behind everything - the silicon sensor - is basically the same no matter which company's cameras you're using. everything's become much more normalized in the age of digital.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/contributor/2007/09/28/zoe_williams_140x140.jpg

http://admin.timeout.com/img/10142562/w400/image.jpg

Actually I'm trying to work out whether this is really a problem with films or if it's the equivalent of audiophile bores banging on about compression.

Looks like my memory is mainly faulty though.. Dick Tracy was more red/green, red/yellow and red/blue

http://www.jonathanrosenbaum.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/dicktracy.jpg

http://commentarytrack.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/dick-tracy-02.jpg

http://www.cinemademerde.com/Dick_Tracy-madonna.gif

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/100917/dick-tracy-boardroom_510.jpg

http://www.thefancarpet.com/uploaded_assets/images/gallery/3688/Dick_Tracy_34533_Medium.jpg

http://www.cinemademerde.com/Dick_Tracy-train.gif

Actually I'm trying to work out whether this is really a problem with films or if it's the equivalent of audiophile bores banging on about compression.

― Matt DC, Thursday, January 6, 2011 8:55 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

the latter

ok but i don't understand how we've come to value "true life" colors re: movies. if ppl were color grading documentary footage i could see the concern but we're talking about big budget movies and attention to how color is to be expected, especially given the means to control it.

thread has veered dangerously close to "bitching about hipstamatic iphone pix" territory from the start imho

how color is*

haha hipstamatic

i dont have a problem with that either, except for my one friend who is always taking pics of her food w/it and posting it on fb - its just not a flattering way to present edible objects imo

I don't think that micmacs is a good example of this. that movie is just orange, what blue is in there is muted and more of an aquamarine imo. also it's so OTT, and it's kind of jeunet's 'signature' look

like, you're supposed to notice how garish everything looks, it adds to the weirdness of the movies, it's stylized. whereas with transformers and others they're trying to pass it off as 'this is how reality looks' until you notice that it actually isn't.

― dayo, Thursday, January 6

agree and disagree. it's clearly an artistic decision in micmacs, a form of stylization that we're supposed to notice and enjoy for its own sake. but i didn't enjoy it. when the hyper-orange opening scene, set in the past, gave way to a more richly colored but equally stylized present day, i was briefly relieved. i loved the radical shift in texture, and could see why the director might have chosen to trap the past in amber, as so many others have done. but the film immediately took a nose dive back into oompa-loompa land. the final act was especially egregious, with endless close ups of bright orange flesh against blue-gray backgrounds.

i know jeunet likes to stylize everything. delicatessen was all brown and yellow, and his following films, city of lost children and amelie, relied heavily on green and red contrast. but all of those films seemed fresh and inventive in their moment, not to mention nice to look at. for the most part, i didn't like the look of micmacs. i found it overly familiar and more distracting than diverting.

nah its more a q. of like "why is boy with the striped pyjamas using the same color pallette as the house bunny"

like its fine. michael bay movies are stylised. but now all movies that expect any sort of commercial audience whatsoever are stylised in exactly the same way.

like "w/ this simple trick, you can make ur colors POP"

I dunno contenderizer I feel like if you rewatched jeunet's past films you'd probably hate them as much as you hate micmacs now. seems like because you've been hipped to this look and become conscious of it, anything shot in it will look bad to you regardless of the intention

like there are two strawman args being dismissed here which are

1. complimentary colours in mainstream movies! how dare the masses steal this beloved art school secret
2. yr demands for naturalism are unreasonable! color keying can heighten mood/atmosphere/be used to enhance the look of a movie.

yah no shit, and the technicolor era would have prolly been crazy annoying but luckily not every single movie was technicolor regardless of theme and content. p much every movie uses this now.

"p much every movie uses this now."

not... really...

I dunno contenderizer I feel like if you rewatched jeunet's past films you'd probably hate them as much as you hate micmacs now. seems like because you've been hipped to this look and become conscious of it, anything shot in it will look bad to you regardless of the intention

― dayo, Thursday, January 6, 2011 9:19 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

otm i think - this is a real phenomenon, people becoming aware of something and then deciding it's bad simply because they notice it

like i said, pretty weird seeing it in a bbc costume drama

haha plax i was gonna say that it's kinda like asking a drag queen "why don't you wear more natural looking make-up"

but when all the drag queens are all in the same robert palmer video make up, I guess I see ur point

i may have overextended my metaphor there but w/e

I dunno contenderizer I feel like if you rewatched jeunet's past films you'd probably hate them as much as you hate micmacs now. seems like because you've been hipped to this look and become conscious of it, anything shot in it will look bad to you regardless of the intention

― dayo, Thursday, January 6, 2011 6:19 AM (18 seconds ago) Bookmark

but no. i watched the city of lost children a month or so ago and loved the look, though the story does drag on a bit towards the end. and i've been thinking about the teal & orange thing for about a year. admit that delicatessen is, yeah, a bit too consistently yellow-brown for my tastes, but it's a much more inventive and involving film, both in terms of visuals and story, so i'm more willing to accept the stylization. which brings up one of the main problems with radical stylization of any sort: if you don't like the film as a whole, it quickly becomes very irritating.

i've been bugged by the squashing of hue and the matching obsession with sharpness and contrast for about a decade. loved the matrix in 1999, but in retrospect i've only been bothered by what it ushered in. strongly disliked, for instance, the look of jackson's LOTR films, and they're an important step in the evolution of contemporary cinematic style. would also gesture in the direction of saving private ryan and certain scenes in three kings, though i somewhat enjoyed the latter.

i mean, the teal and orange thing is only one manifestation of the obsession with intensity and contrast in contemporary film

which brings up one of the main problems with radical stylization of any sort: if you don't like the film as a whole, it quickly becomes very irritating.

right, so your problem isn't so much with the look rather than with the look matching the content - i.e. you're willing to forgive a film its look if it redeems itself in other ways. because to me it's not a big jump at all between city of lost children to micmacs.

http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo305/lejospopo/revroad.jpg
revolutionary road

http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo305/lejospopo/inhershoes.jpg
in her shoes

http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo305/lejospopo/boystripedpyj.jpg
boy in the striped pyjamas

http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo305/lejospopo/fockers.jpg
little fockers

i guessed rev road and little fockers and the other two were on tv. p sure that i could arbitrarily pick any popcorny movie from 2010 and it would have this, esp considering that little fockers is the most amped up and it is the newest

like i feel like all these movies if they are going to rely on using color keying to heighten their look might not rely on the same trick esp considering one is like a bawdy comedy and one is abt the holocaust?

so... the problem is that they use that particular color contrast at all, not that it's overdone or garish? because those shots all look fine to me

right, so your problem isn't so much with the look rather than with the look matching the content - i.e. you're willing to forgive a film its look if it redeems itself in other ways. because to me it's not a big jump at all between city of lost children to micmacs.

― dayo, Thursday, January 6, 2011 6:36 AM (22 seconds ago) Bookmark

happily admit that my primary problem with micmacs was that i thought it sucked in general. perhaps if i'd loved it, i'd have found some way to love the color scheme, too. hard to say, but not unlikely. even so, it's an extreme example of something that's long bothered me.

agree that city of lost children is a useful point of comparison. that film does rely heavily on red/green contrasts, but allows room for a great many other tricks. certain scenes tend to orange and yellow (as in the weird furnace style meeting room of the cyclops), and the blacks are deep and glossy. there's white that isn't yellow, there's blue and flesh tones that look like flesh, that vary from person to person. felt that micmacs was much more limited by its chosen palette, in a way i didn't care for.

http://www.oscarguy.com/Reviews/Annual/1962/Arabia.jpg

ugh! puke!!!

otm i think - this is a real phenomenon, people becoming aware of something and then deciding it's bad simply because they notice it

otm i notice this everywhere it's really starting to bug me

doesnt feel like such a stretch to say that iron man might use a red and yellow color scheme or lots of greens to make the red of his costume pop

but no

http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo305/lejospopo/ironman.jpg

lol contenderizer, you have a habit of bending over backwards to defend stuff you like. I was rereading the cocorosie thread the other day.

anyway my point is jeunet doesn't belong in this discussion because his movies are meant to be otherworldly and strange. whereas the use in movies being cited here is meant to make claims of verisimilitude that jeunet's films simply don't.

I was rereading the cocorosie thread the other day.

now why would you do an awful thing like that?

http://www.michaeldeas.com/Mike%20Deas%20Website/site_images/columbia_pictures_logo_520.jpg

lol

because my friend asked me if I wanted to go see cocorosie when they play live here and I wanted to refresh myself on the arguments as to why I don't. lol xp

http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo305/lejospopo/eatpraylove.jpg

eat pray love

accept that jeunet is a special case, but man, orange pinion was working my last nerve

http://www.zidouta.com/images/1000_frames_north_by_northwest.jpg

http://liberalironist.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/vertigo-3.jpg

i don't care if you're teal/orange, purple...

So, is this so's the movie looks good on a small TV screen / iphone?

http://www.popmatters.com/images/film_art/m/mcauley-vertigo-splsh.jpg

i mean jeez, tbh one of my biggest blind spots is i have a thing for overstylised movies. i really like movies that look kindof strange even if it is for no real reason so

holy shit, to my mind those NxNW caps are 1000 times more striking and amazingly, artistically unreal than anything else posted in this thread, anything in micmacs. that's how to stylize a goddam frame.

btw if you really want to watch an ugly ugly movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJCSRxzPfXI

So, is this so's the movie looks good on a small TV screen / iphone?

i think that's a big part of it, yeah. was talking abt that upthread. also, i suspect, so that things will look impossibly crisp and banging on big hi-def setups.

yah fincher otm, cant help but feel zodiac and benjamin button are way worse tho

http://www.filmcritic.com/features/images/bestof2007a.jpg

i mean

TSN isnt that ugly its just very 90s looking

i dont buy it, i think it looks v late 00s early 10s

TSN doesn't look 90s at all!! it's all glossy yet underexposed, really ugly shadows and weird color spectrums esp. during the boat race, and all those jittery ADD focus pulls

it looks like Fight Club!

TSN isn't ugly it's just dull.

the boat race was using a fake tilt-shift effect. no?

fwiw i am having a hard time discerning a "teal / orange" trend wrt the images

viewing this thread on iphone btw

that's more like, what, late nougties?

fake tilt-shift and ugly colors jed

fight club is '99

must have been too distracted by the tilt shift + hot rowers.

http://i.imgur.com/RClaN.jpg
http://images.stltoday.com/blogzone/civil-religion/files/2010/02/matrix-bullets1.jpg

the matrix was '99

was 1999 not in the 90s or

i guess 4 u the 90s reached their apotheosis when they were nearly over huh?

also fincher kinda falls into the jeunet category with me for fight club and se7en and those other movies, like they exist in these weird bizarro alternate realities so it's okay if the colors look garish. TSN takes place 5 years ago at harvard!!

do u have any more movies from that year to explain what the 90s were like?

http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/firefox_logo.jpg

so are 94-96 the only years i can cull from

maybe just 1995, thats the only year that should count

there's a difference between using muted blueish backgrounds and costumes for contrast against more-or-less natural-looking skin tones, and the teal & orange business, a radically steroidal version of the same tactic.

for the most part, i don't think there's anything wrong with the blue contrast elements in those shots plax posted from revolutionary road and in her shoes. that's a reasonable approach to the contemporary style, imo.

no i feel like you have a theme now dont mess it up

brb gonna go regrade clueless w/ matrix-style green tint

would say that the matrix is a much better exemplar of 00s cinematic style than 90s

early 00s yeah - my fault for making this about arbitrary endpoints

Actually I'm trying to work out whether this is really a problem with films or if it's the equivalent of audiophile bores banging on about compression.

a thousand xposts, but ftr I am finding this thread (and the linked blog posts) interesting because I had not really noticed this thing, but now my attention has been drawn to it my reaction was "oh yeah, this IS a thing", and it's nice to see that and learn why

I am not really for or against said thing - I can see that it might currently be a little overdone, both in terms of intensity and in terms of ubiquity at the expense of other colour palettes, but obv flesh tones vs sky (or metallic vs neon for Tron fans) are a pretty useful colour pairing

(have spent all week writing about "pallets" and trying very hard not to write "palettes", fear this conversation may be bad news for controlling that impulse)

the 2000s started in 1996 (and are still going)
the 80s ended in 1992

therefore the 90s only lasted for about 4 years, basically for as long as it took hardcore rave and jungle to completely separate

i don't remember there being any blue at all in Black Swan, at least, not when there was any orange on the screen (don't remember any of that either, everyone was so pale)

The best argument for the existence of this trend is Inception, which surely would have done the same cold green/blue Matrixy thing had it been shot even five years ago. But instead you get

http://wisegamers.ch/images/454/600full-inception-screenshot.jpg

http://photogallery.filmofilia.com/data/media/178/inception_36.jpg

etc

http://api.ning.com/files/agz*XxIKvm4ICZCW9QsMrh-TCzplRE*lWbgaEpxRfPw_/StarshipTroopers.jpg

I had not really noticed this thing, but now my attention has been drawn to it my reaction was "oh yeah, this IS a thing"

ehhhhh to be fair its really way too easy to fall into selective perception / confirmation bias wrt this -- too easy to support w/ screenshots out of context

Maybe if you think of it as adding a little human warmth to what would otherwise have been another sickly heroin-chic grungefest it will seem better to you.

Is it the visual equivalent of adding synths to rock music?

Yeah, I was gonna mention Inception as a movie that got it 'right'

its when ppls blue eyes are always REALLY BLUE that this seems totes weird

http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/images/totalrecall09.jpg

little miss sunshine is another one

http://aprimiao.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/Little%20Miss%20Sunshine%2001.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Lx-oYdOm5rU/TQnEErvV0HI/AAAAAAAADjU/z77bYaSzEP8/s640/WhiteChristmas3.jpg

yeah i wish hollywood would go back to the distracting oversaturation of technicolor

fine with me!

can we just have a thread about nicely coloured films,
like jean painleve's later psychedelic nature flicks

http://www.laboratorionovamusica.it/painleve%20liquid.jpg

or technicolour migraine that is the umbrellas of cherbourg

http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/images/uploads/umbrella-2.gif

or point blank, which only could have been made in the brief mid-70s window in which yellow/orange/brown was a good colourway scheme

http://media.dvdtown.com/images/displayimage.php?id=3719

http://images.blu-ray.com/reviews/3293_2.jpg

schlump go to my thread

am still more annoyed by genre default type laziness on movie posters/titles (Bank Gothic, Trajan and Futura Black must all be banned forever)

Point Blank was made in 1968

I guess Vanilla sky (2001) is quite an early example of this trend. It even referred to the effect (fantasy based on Bob Dylan cover) which would make a lot less sense nowadays!

http://www.goldminemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Bob-Dylan-The-Freewheelin.jpg

for some reason this always makes me think of cameron diaz and leonardo di caprio

http://massassi.hobby-site.com/massassi/pictures/episode_5/img/carbon-freezing_chamber07.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuJDaOVz2qY

Point Blank was made in 1967, actually

whoa GIS darjeeling ltd. is beyond gross

http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/movie/2fast2furious/2_fast_2_furious_3.jpg

http://media.animegalleries.net/albums/userpics/15313/2fast2furious-wallpaper.JPG?=123

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/12100000/2-Fast-2-Furious-cole-hauser-12133521-500-321.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/pierrot_le_fou.jpg

i think the distinction between teal and blue is getting a little lost here

pierrot le fou was red and blue not blue and orange

http://glennkenny.premiere.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/02/13/pierrotwilliam_wilson.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/pierrot-le-fou-white-dress.jpg

^ graded by michael bay

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/600full-pierrot-le-fou-screenshot.png

Have nerds started regrading old trailers on youtube yet?

― Kerm, Thursday, January 6, 2011 8:12 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

screw that, ppl should just start t&o'ing all pre 2k movies, like when ted turner went on his colorization trip

Just do it for film noir classics for maximum trolling.

i have teal / orange color blindness obv

uh maybe you are colourblind

apparently its easy to not realise that you are

http://www.robinsonscamera.com/images/cimage6.jpg

pretty certain i'm not actually colorblind, but i am impressed with the broad swath of blues being called 'teal' itt

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z245/tapiola/359113396_7133e09546_o.jpg

like if you were to say that this 'trend' is about saturation & contrast instead of hue i would be more inclined to agree

I give you: the lighting of CSI: Miami
http://setdivision.com/files/2009/09/season-6-csi-miami-992915_450_338.jpg

corey what is that?

xpost jesus christ can you imagine having to go to work at a place that was lit like that?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3JjxWz9qxF4/TP_aU61I3xI/AAAAAAAAAlQ/9m4ur__qR-U/s1600/Screen-shot-2010-11-08-at-7.46.19-PM.png

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3JjxWz9qxF4/TP_ajzoA68I/AAAAAAAAAlY/W3dANzP28aI/s1600/Harry-Potter-and-the-Deathly-Hallows-Part-1_Daniel-Radcliffe-tent_Image-credit-Warner-Bros.-Pictures.jpg

its when ppls blue eyes are always REALLY BLUE that this seems totes weird

― plax (ico), Thursday, 6 January 2011 15:40 Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/images/totalrecall09.jpg

― dayo, Thursday, 6 January 2011 15:40 Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

HAHAHAHAHA

Tracer: ha, I just gradient-mapped a still from The Third Man

orange fucking rules anyway, all my shoes have orange on them

this thread: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

idk just watch a few cheapy box office comedies from 2k10 this week and youll be like oh ok

http://i55.tinypic.com/5v2n4l.jpg

Saw this on the other thread and had to "improve" it.

ok i won't deny that there are films that seriously augment their color schemes for dramatic effect but in most cases we are just talking about making neutral values cooler and then boosting saturation so they contrast vividly with flesh tones, right? i'm ok with blue-tinged shadows, it's an delinerate effect but i don't think it's so terribly awful or even that big a deal

deliberate effect^

Maybe if you think of it as adding a little human warmth to what would otherwise have been another sickly heroin-chic grungefest it will seem better to you.

― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Thursday, January 6, 2011 3:37 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Is it the visual equivalent of adding synths to rock music?

― Matt DC, Thursday, January 6, 2011 3:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

the harry potter stills are grebt because you can tell it's happening as a direct result of intense effort to make the movie 'gritty' or 'mature' or w/e

hay elmo i cant help but notice that ur the only person who doesnt seem to know what this is?

xp (i.e. literally dark)

fwiw I love the lighting of CSI: Miami. I think it's one of the most visually stimulating things on tv.

ok plax maybe i really don't get it because, for ex:

http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo305/lejospopo/inhershoes.jpg

these fleshtones are definitely more pink than orange imho and... what? they are wearing blue?

http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo305/lejospopo/fockers.jpg

look @ all that teal

somebody make a great movie featuring no shades of blue or orange and this whole thing will go away

there is already a thread abt this btw - teal & orange.xls
― just sayin, Thursday, January 6, 2011 11:29 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

just sayin

http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo305/lejospopo/hershoes.jpg

are you trying to "bubble"?

loool

this was my attempt at bubbling

http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo305/lejospopo/0424000d.jpg

idgi

don't matter if you're pulling selective examples using screenshots or the eyedropper tool, all i see is confirmation bias

im glad you enjoyed in her shoes

When I first saw the title of this thread, I thought it would be the place to talk about how movies on HD flatscreens can end up looking distractingly like a telenovela. Or at least I've seen parts of two movies (Night at the Museum and Public Enemies) on a TV I'm assuming is a state-of-the-art flatscreen, and in both cases I was pulled out of it by the video-ness of it. With Public Enemies, I didn't notice it in the theater, but on film it looked like the clip below. Maybe I love HD video in a movie theater but not on a state-of-the-art television.

(Forgot to edit out that last sentence -- I was going to insert a clip from Prisoner: Cell Block H.)

some subtle confirmation bias trolling going on in the gorge movies thread

That telenovela feel is most apparent on plasma screens

guys theres nothing wrong w/orange and teal they are just amazing colors deployed by 1990s sports expansion teams

fuckin miami dolphins, ruining all movies forever with their team colors

in both cases I was pulled out of it by the video-ness of it

There are actually some TVs that attempt to compensate for the difference between film running at 24fps and video running at 30fps in a way that ruins the "filmness" of the image. No other info to hand, sorry.

btw elmo i think part of the point wrt those screencaps is that they were p. random. Like i get that u think that saying something looks teal and blue means that it must look xactly like the opening post, you have made yr rigid strawman arg. totally clear. but really it refers to jacking up spec. colour curves which all of those egs. show and they are representative of the uniform colour pallette of each movie across a fairly broad range of movies which would make you kindof q. to what extent those are aesthetic choices considering the spectrum of themes and moods those movies might b. expected to be trying to achieve.

teal and orange but yeah

guys theres nothing wrong w/orange and teal they are just amazing colors deployed by 1990s sports expansion teams

― ice cr?m, Thursday, January 6, 2011 1:01 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

if u were a boy who grew up in america in the 90s, theres no way u didnt own a charlotte hornets starter jacket or other apparel at some point

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3162/3038391539_5cbff2a6e7.jpg

^lol otm

There are actually some TVs that attempt to compensate for the difference between film running at 24fps and video running at 30fps in a way that ruins the "filmness" of the image.

Thanks -- I'm gonna need this whenever I get a nice TV.

lol even I owned some charlotte hornets gear

http://regmedia.co.uk/2010/12/02/philips_32pfl9705.jpg

my ILM-editor friend says this is all the fault of a lone "star colorist" in Santa Monica that all the bigger directors take their shit to. ILM spends all this time color-correcting their stuff to make everything as "realistic" and natural looking as possible and then it gets turned over to this guy in post and everything comes back different, super-saturated, etc.

reminds me of the loudness wars/mastering issue with music where you have a couple mastering houses that get tagged as being industry standard/do the majority of mastering and turn everything to brickwalled hypercompressed awfulness. soon all the smaller places follow suit and voila product is ruined by a terrible aesthetic.

I'm trying to work out whether this is really a problem with films or if it's the equivalent of audiophile bores banging on about compression.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 6 January 2011 13:55 (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

If you thought of something besides "Industrial Light & Magic" when you read that acronym, you may indeed be spending too much time on ILX.

^^OTM

(Orange and Teal, Motherfuckers)

yeah i wish hollywood would go back to the distracting oversaturation of technicolor

fine with me!

― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 January 2011 15:44 (2 hours ago)

totally predictably, me too. Haha oh shit, wait:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3291/2441152631_ca107a93e5.jpg

http://www.bravotv.com/media/images/persons/andy-miami-vice-320x240.jpg
http://famewatcher.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Don_Johnson_Miami_Vice6.jpg

haha

http://content.bandzoogle.com/users/OfficialJanHammer/images/photos/gallery/3030546.jpg?1

Truth said, everybody looks better with a tan.

There are actually some TVs that attempt to compensate for the difference between film running at 24fps and video running at 30fps in a way that ruins the "filmness" of the image. No other info to hand, sorry.

yeah, this. you can turn it off; it's always somewhere in the settings. what's funny is that all the demo TVs at my local fred meyer (pacific-northwest-area chain supermarket/electronics store) have this on, so everything on them looks terrible and distracting, except for CGI fantasy movies, which look "realistic" in a really eerie and disconcerting way, like someone is shooting a wedding video on the nonexistent set of how to train your dragon.

I'm trying to work out whether this is really a problem with films or if it's the equivalent of audiophile bores banging on about compression.

i don't get this binary - it's a rising trend in movies that it's pretty clearly based on digital ease rather than a thought-out "style". Gonna bother some people more than others but it's not like the options are to either wail in agony or dismiss it entirely.

yeah idk plax maybe you're very sensitive to color in a way that i'm not but otoh it kinda comes across as a pretty thin excuse to declare oh my how dreadful big budget movies are these days, can you believe these pop comedies don't even make aesthetic choices with regard to their color palettes

it's not that they "don't make aesthetic choices", it's that a certain deliberately unnatural aesthetic becomes the default — but it's still a "choice" tho and the only way ppl will stop making it (especially if it's become so automatic that they don't even think about or realize why they're doing it) is if audiences complain

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/7f5e6cc75ec0e9b9cae9ad26968340bc.jpg

I don't think audiences complaining about high compression in music is influencing any mastering practices

I think this revolution has to come from within

should be the theme for wdyll feb 11

pink / green 2012

http://www.eurweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/little_fockers2010-med-wide.jpg

Fockers flipping the script.

Truth said, everybody looks better with a tan.

― heh (kelpolaris), Thursday, January 6, 2011 12:40 PM (1 hour ago)

http://evilbeetgossip.film.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/57104056valentino422009121712am.jpg

yeah...

There are two points here, and I see where elmo is possibly right in calling out confirmation bias:

1. There are some films where the actual sets, clothing, etc. betray the director's palette bias (that Wes Anderson film upthread)

2. There are a shitload of films where, if you looked at the color histogram of the image, there'd be a disproportionate clustering in the teal and orange areas of the color spectrum.

I don't have photo analysis shit (lightroom, aperture, photoshop) on hand here, so someone help me out on the second one.

http://a.onionstatic.com/images/articles/article/49052/wfcatsdogs_jpg_627x1000_q85.jpg\

Cats & Dogs: The Revenge of Kitty Galore

http://www.dvd-monthly.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/the_dark_knight06.jpg

I thought this thread would be about modern movies in general, but you all found another way to depress me --- congratulations, free pizza after the thread is over etc.

my ILM-editor friend says this is all the fault of a lone "star colorist" in Santa Monica that all the bigger directors take their shit to. ILM spends all this time color-correcting their stuff to make everything as "realistic" and natural looking as possible and then it gets turned over to this guy in post and everything comes back different, super-saturated, etc.

― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, January 6, 2011 6:17 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^
feel like this is imptnt. all it takes is one or two houses/agencies to make this a thing maybe?

in which case bring on the changing of the star colorist guard obv

by the way, i keep hearing "teal & orange" in my head to the tune of wiz khalifa's "black & yellow"

otm

Pashmina, what is that beach image from?

The beach image is from "Good Morning, Eve"! (1934) which is IIRC either the first or second live action 3-color technicolor movie ever. I love films from that era pretty much unconditionally, but I have to admit, "Good Morning Eve" is tough to sit through, it's pretty corny. The 2 women are part of the regular troupe of dancers/chorus girls who appeared in just about every MGM and Warners musical 1930-1935.

Thanks! The color's really vivid for that era.

Actually I'm trying to work out whether this is really a problem with films or if it's the equivalent of audiophile bores banging on about compression.

This is more like Auto-Tune for color.

Wasn't crazy about The American, but am crazy about Anton Corbijn.

http://media.nola.com/entertainment_impact_tvfilm/photo/0903-the-american-george-clooney-3jpg-dfd9e7eae04cbc41_large.jpg

you think this orange and teal thing is bad, my nan watches all these films where everything's just shades of grey.

(oops, meant to post The American in the yay thread, not this nay one.)

http://www.kongregate.com/games/FreakyZoid/tealy-orangey

Speaking of color manipulation, I just watched A Single Man. My god, those saturation swells were so distracting.

if you "notice" the color scheme rather than "appreciate" it the filmmakers are doing it wrong imo

I watched 20 minutes of the new Clash of the Titans this weekend and this was so blatant, I couldn't pay attention to anything else. The skin tones were so awful.

wow this is a mindfuck

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt203/pplains/Picture-8.jpg

you know what was p. bad for this in retrospect (tho it didnt bother me at the time)? six feet under

Related to plasma screens and video, not teal/orange, I watched a few minutes of Avatar on that same fancy TV I wrote about last week, and the thing looked just like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fMxzeov0Fo

it's a wonder cameron didn't make the avatar jungle orange

feel like some people are equating "Teal and Orange," (a kind of specific phenomenon where the color correction is overdone and keyed to these exaggerated tones that, like any other film trend, looked new and awesome and zeitgeist-y at first and has just gotten v. out of hand), with movies that just have lots of blue and orange, which, dude, that shit is a sunrise, it's fine.