Bill Murray vs. Chevy Chase

If Chevy didn't come off as such a douche I'd say him.

Man, I just don't know. This is a battle of heavyweights. Now, more than ever.

I don't think many hipsters would fellate Chevy Chase with the kind of zeal that they would fellate Bill Murray. I guess that makes Chevy Chase the winner, and Bill Murray the loser by association.

Hmm, I'd say Murray and I can assure you that hipster fellation never has nor never will enter into my calculations.

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Funny that Chevy Chase has been playing overbearing fathers since the '80s, while Bill Murray rarely plays a dad, and when he does, it's usually one with no apparent relationship with his kids

chevy just hasn't had as many great roles. maybe if he'd made some better career choices and not been a dick to everybody?

what kind of trophy would you give chevy for winning a "people who won't suck your dick" contest? a singing bass with the mouthpiece sealed in epoxy?

Although... Chevy Chase is associated with Steely Dan, whose music is absolute concentrated horseshit (*ducks*).

Chevy's career totally nosedived after like '85 or so. Murray's by far the superior actor with the better cv

who would you rather hang out with.

in your karoake room.

c'mon, murray all the way. maybe chevy in the 80s but not now.

Chase is supposed to be a total asshole irl.

A VOTE OF NEUTRALITY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krVXRCcr2M4

so i heard.

isn't the last big thing he did a lithuanian cola advert or something?

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lol

I guess the Community thread really DOES have everyone in the country who watches that show on it

x-posts lol I wouldn't be surprised. I read an article once about how he was basically blacklisted in Hollywood for being an enormous jerk and just too difficult to work with.

sorry, it's actually turkish cola:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EvISlP24Ek

This is a funny thread title, cuz they had a fistfight just before an SNL Chevy guest-hosted circa '78.

Find more life in Chevy's old guy persona on Community and Hot Tub Time Machine at the moment than Bill Murray's old guy persona in Oscar-bait, but Murray's definitely made more great movies and done better work in them.

I tried to watch What About Bob the other day, and reaffirmed my belief that Bill Murray should always play the smartest guy in the room, not the stupidest.

wtf at the cola ad

I assume you guys are just going by movies, cuz everyone knows SNL sucked pre-Rachel Dratch

what about bob is geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenius!

love that movie.

julie haggerty's comedic talents have been under-utilized, haven't they? bedroom scene with shaquille oneal in 'freddy got fingered' notwithstanding.

fletch better than anything murray's done

gotta hand it to chevy for getting himself a third act at this late date. he was totally nowheresville and now people like him again.

his talk show was one of the most uncomfortable things i've ever witnessed. its definitely up there with the titans. paula poundstone's late night show and rosanne's comedy show. as far as late night train wrecks go.

why do britishers adore fletch so much? they do, don't they?

Been re-watching the Season 1 SNL eps on Netflix, and it amazes me what NBC Standards & Practices let Chase get away with on "Weekend Update," with those phone bits at the beginning of each.

"Yes, I understand, at a certain point . . . but who yanks the beads out?"

"Remember that time we were driving? I'm pretty sure that truck driver saw your head. No, it did not look like you were napping."

i hope ur not saying im a britisher

fletch is all-american bro

chevy did that creepy thing with the singing heads on his show, like all the time. dredging up old nightmares

hhhmmmmm. if chevy had made 8 or 9 films as good as fletch, you might have a point.

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Fletch is amazing.

always been a fan of this album by the way:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNJjhSsH5zo

very dreamy dream pop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGa3M4bIP48&feature=related

Cornelius Crane "Chevy" Chase - great real name

I'm going with Bill, despite this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-cIUVgacaY

"i hope ur not saying im a britisher"

i don't know what you are, just reminded that i've heard big english praise for this movie over the years.

For the number of times I've watched Fletch and the Vacation movies I really have to vote Chase.

but yeah bill all the way. he's bill murray!

i'm gonna watch that zombie movie again just to watch bill murray! hahaha! so funny.

Chase never did films to compare with Rushmore and Groundhog Day.

actually i've heard that they are both kinda nasty in real life.

I'd buy that. Murray seems like he'd be a dick.

i liked it when i was a kid but i can't watch meatballs anymore. him and that kid. blah. i hate that kid. their man/boy love thing makes me cringe.

Is there a Chevy Chase equivalent to "Quick Change"? That's pretty much what gave my Billy vote the edge.

chevy, of course, is legendary for being one of the biggest jerks in hollywood. like, henley/frey level jerk.

i will watch bill murray do anything forever. because he is bill murray. even that arty coppola crap.

i will even watch bill murray's brothers do anything forever. because they remind me of bill murray.

he should have won an oscar for scrooged.

I mean sure, there was Fletch, Vacation and Ty Webb. But then there's Vacation II, Vacation IV, the Goldie Hawn movies, Oh Heavenly Dog, Snow Day, Caddyshack II, the thing with all the midgets….

When Murray was doing "Groundhog Day", Chevy was hosting Dan Fogelberg on the "The Chevy Chase Show".

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lol what's the thing with all the midgets?

PP of course you're right about Chase's shitty movies but when he was great he was really great!

ya but community's better than anything murray's done in the 2000s - like by a huge margin - besides its not like chevy has the privilege of choosing good roles anymore, meanwhile sainted laffmaster william murray can be in anything he wants and only picks crap

aw scott it hurts me in the heart that you can't stand Makepeace/Murray in Meatballs anymore.

I can't pick on this one. Chase's Weekend Update, cold opens, Gerald Ford, Fletch, Caddyshack, Vacation...shit even Spies Like Us was pretty lol...but Murray. I mean, shit, Ghostbusters?
Alllll the SNL stuff. Star Wars, nothign but Star Wars. Scrooged! Groundhog Day. What About Bob.

I have recuse myself from voting.

bill was p funny in zombieland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlcRSyIHYow

PP of course you're right about Chase's shitty movies but when he was great he was really great!

Newt Gingrich let the states raise their own speed limits, but I'm still a Clinton guy!

sorry, I liked the Goldie Hawn movies.

If Scrooged had been made the way O'Donoghue wrote it.... It's way too sentimental and slapdash.

Murray for sure. I thought Chase was barely tolerable on SNL, and hated Foul Play and Seems Like Old Times so much that I avoided all the Vacation movies and everything else he ever did except for Fletch...which I also hated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdqMEfV-r9A

I can't fathom why they gave a talk show to a guy who so clearly didn't give a fuck about anyone else

how could anyone avoid the Vacation movies.

christmas vacation still amazing.

beverly d'angelo was hot.

i watch scrooged and christmas vacation each and every holiday season.

there was also chevy phoning it in on a crappy swedish comedy a few years back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z87lVc84MXc

still feel like his years of douchebaggery prepared him well for the role of pierce hawthorne and we should all be thankful for that

I guess the Community thread really DOES have everyone in the country who watches that show on it

even most community stans find chevy's character the least funny

I'm just saying, everyone here's like "Chevy Chase hasn't done anything in years" and I'm just like "if that's true why has been on my television for the past year...?"

and turka-cola is delicious.

"beverly d'angelo was hot."

i used to tell people that "i had a crush on" her. i didn't. i just wanted to have sex with her. a lot.

it's a fine line

I don't think many hipsters would fellate Chevy Chase with the kind of zeal that they would fellate Bill Murray. I guess that makes Chevy Chase the winner, and Bill Murray the loser by association.

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nobody's posting crap like this in praise of bill murray, which makes chevy chase the loser by association

sorry, I liked the Goldie Hawn movies.

Me, too! Anyone who doesn't like Foul Play is a person I might not fully trust.

Also, Chase's sketch playing Gerald Ford on the episode hosted by actual Ford press secretary Ron Nessen was genius.

xp ENBB, are you talking about Under the Rainbow?

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^^^this fuckin movie

My dad took my sister and me to see that at the theater when I was 11 and she was 13.

It is awful. Although it did introduce me to Patti d'Arbanville when she was still hot.

prefer murray (as evidenced by my previous snit), but they've both made good and bad films. it's not like this is such an absurdly one-sided contest. fletch, foul play and the vacation films (the two i've seen) are great. scrooged, otoh, is fucking terrible, one of the worst holiday films i've ever seen, against v tough competition. and they're both great in caddyshack.

thing is, murray's got so many great films & performances during the era when they were kinda-sorta in competition: groundhog day, quick change, ghostbusters, little shop of horrors, tootsie, ed wood, kingpin and so on. not even counting meatballs and stripes cuz it's been so long. plus the modern coppola/anderson/jarmusch era, which is divisive, but easily wins it for murray afaic.

ffs how is this even a question?

bill murray.

"Anyone who doesn't like Foul Play is a person I might not fully trust."

gonna check and see who picks chevy on this thread. and never turn my back on them. because they are very very suspicious. or british maybe. or chevy reminds them of their dad or something.

Something about Chevy where he tries too hard.

The whole story about how he went from being a writer to being a featured performer on SNL in the first place by throwing himself into a mud puddle has always sounded pretty desperate to me.

both these bros made some great flicks.

sorry to get all challopy

Murray in a walk. I've never found Chase remotely funny, even on SNL. That said, Community is the best thing on TV right now, and for the first time, I'm finding him funny. If he keeps up the pace with, say, seven more seasons of the show, I can see him nipping at Murray's heels.

Best thing about the Murray/Chase SNL fistfight: Murray dug deep and hurled the most vile insult he could think of at Chevy: "Medium talent! Medium talent!"

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ total win for bill murray

I'm just saying, everyone here's like "Chevy Chase hasn't done anything in years" and I'm just like "if that's true why has been on my television for the past year...?"

― Indolence Mission (DJP), Friday, January 7, 2011 3:18 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Completely forgot he was on that show until this thread tbh. I have never seen it but I should probably watch it.

European is my fav vacation. I know that's not a popular opinion but it's probably because we had it on VHS and I must have watched it at least 50 times as a kid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnDT6Qz_CQc

Some excerpts from the Live From New York book regarding Chevy Chase:

Terry Sweeney: Chevy hosted the second show, and we were all excited because, to us, Chevy was like a god…he was a monster. He insulted everybody….he turned to me and he said: "Oh, you're the gay guy, right?" And he goes "I've got an idea for a sketch for you. How about we say you have AIDS and we weigh you every week?"

Will Ferrell: The worst host was Chevy Chase…he got to one of our female writers (after riffing on some ideas for the show he was hosting) he made some reference like, "Maybe you can give me a hand job later." And I've never seen Lorne more embarrassed and red.

lol knew there was a reason i liked this guy

Murray, easy.

Chevy gets points for Fletch, Vacations, Caddy Shack and occasionally for Community. But god what a spotty resume. And you can't just blame the projects, you know?

he should have won an oscar for scrooged.

I have a huge soft spot for this movie. Up there with 'Le Père Noël est une ordure' as a dark-horse Christmas movie.

re: euro vacation, to this day, whenever relatives visit, right when they leave, my dad says "who the hell were they?"

hahahah

Fritz! Helga!

lol tylerw's dad

I think they're both dicks but I find it much, much easier to forgive Murray than Chase.

community really worth following? i watched the first couple episodes and thought it was one of the most painfully unfunny things i'd seen on TV in quite a while. but most sitcoms take a while to get their sea-legs, i guess.

euro vacation may be the first movie i ever saw with nudity in it too. memories. thx chevy chase.

community is funnier with the sound off.

x-post - The German girl ripping open her dirndl, right? I think it was probably for me too tbh.

haha, yesss

Some excerpts from the Live From New York book regarding Chevy Chase:

Terry Sweeney: Chevy hosted the second show, and we were all excited because, to us, Chevy was like a god…he was a monster. He insulted everybody….he turned to me and he said: "Oh, you're the gay guy, right?" And he goes "I've got an idea for a sketch for you. How about we say you have AIDS and we weigh you every week?"

Will Ferrell: The worst host was Chevy Chase…he got to one of our female writers (after riffing on some ideas for the show he was hosting) he made some reference like, "Maybe you can give me a hand job later." And I've never seen Lorne more embarrassed and red.

― Darin, Friday, January 7, 2011 5:38 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

Stuff like this makes me think that Chase is essentially playing himself as a dickhead, but not realizing it/in on the joke, in Community...kinda like Jack Black's guest shot on that show, or Jerry Lewis in The King Of Comedy, or Alan Alda in Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Oh and the scene where Rusty goes to the topless burlesque review with a hooker in Paris. I forgot how many boobs there were in it. WTH were my parents letting me watch this for?

you know, it's europe, learning about other cultures and so forth

teaching you an important lesson about boobs

lol
actually now that i think of it, my dad's two fave comedies are probably euro vacation and what about bob, so i don't know where to come down on this thread's issue

x-post - lol true

Jerry Lewis in The King Of Comedy, or Alan Alda in Crimes and Misdemeanors.

interesting question, especially re: lewis in king of comedy. i mean, the character's obviously meant to come off as a giant dick, but he's also oddly sympathetic. and it's hard to say to what degree these actors were or weren't in on the joke. (i dunno, maybe there's anecdotes...)

chevy's a monster but that makes him so much more compelling a figure than lauded national treasure who can do no wrong bill murray (who keeps crapping in our mouths with his horrible sad clown movies) - who is actually also a wifebeating monster which makes it infuriating that he's so beloved just b/c there's some wacky kooky stories about him interacting w/hipsters - hes basically mel gibson except everyone's forgiven his savage spousal abuse because he didnt dare to challenge ZOG

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is this movie a lost classic? i saw it ... but i can't really remember anything about it.

hes basically mel gibson

okay that is REALLY going too far w/the hyperbolic slander

is this movie a lost classic? i saw it ... but i can't really remember anything about it.

directed by Wes Craven!

er I mean John Carpenter!

(been getting lost in the horror section lately!)

same difference

directed by dario argento! obviously that poster makes it look amazing.

I mean Mel Gibson is:

a) a raging anti-semite
b) a homophobe
c) a violent spouse
d) a raging, unpleasant alcoholic
e) a horrible actor with nothing but shit on his resume

say what you will about Murray but at worst he's only 2 out of 5 there

interesting question, especially re: lewis in king of comedy. i mean, the character's obviously meant to come off as a giant dick, but he's also oddly sympathetic. and it's hard to say to what degree these actors were or weren't in on the joke. (i dunno, maybe there's anecdotes...)

I'd say Jerry is the most likely to be in on the joke. After all, The Nutty Professor was essentially about his asshole and non-asshole sides, and as Buddy Love he certainly didn't softpedal the assholery.

yeah give Lewis some credit there

e) a horrible actor with nothing but shit on his resume

c'mon mel was in plenty of classics dude, p. good actor in his prime too

classics?

now you're just challoping

what, is mad max suddenly not a classic

in lethal weapon he chokes out gary busey with a friggin triangle choke!!! that's cinema.

hm. i may have to give you the first two installments of that series.

mad max!, not "lethal weapon"

the 2nd Mad Max movie is the only decent thing he's done, and it's not like the best thing about the movie is him. the rest is garbage.

idk why people front like the first lethal weapon isnt a masterpiece

because it isn't

tbf most 80s action films bore me to tears

yeah a lot of cool stuff seems to bore you to tears

you say tomato...

..you say "booooring."

and formulatic and generic.

mel's pretty great in both of the first two mad max films, lethal weapon 1 (don't remember 2), gallipoli and the year of living dangerously. at least decent in other mid 80s stuff. but that was a long time ago. don't think i've liked him in anything even half recent other than chicken run. still, "nothing but shit on his resume" is ridiculous.

mel gibson is totally formulatic

payback's pretty good, too

payback owned, he was cool in Signs too

no

that film might as well be on my "things that make me irrationally angry" list

too much crying in the first lethal weapon, as far as sad clown movies go.

lethal weapon doesnt work without the sensitive bro stuff - and by the way gibson is legit great in it

is there a youtube mashup of all the scenes from Mel films where he gets tortured

wait who's this thread about again?

Chevy Gibson

has bill murray ever cried in a movie?

there's that comedy tear at the end of rushmore's vietnam play.

um Bill's cried in a bunch of movies

he cries in lost in translation no?

it's more like his eyes are leaking though. has he ever done the full harvey keitel?

Broken Flowers for one

doesn't he cry when he loses in Kingpin? lol

tbf how many actors have done the full Harvey Keitel

you know, balls in the wind, screaming at the sky while high on crack crying

too many

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUcIzgeh-So

deniro's mewling breakdown in 'analyze this' was uncomfortably genuine for a throwaway comedy.

bob's inability to cry always distracts me in scenes where he's supposed to weep

movies in which mel gibson was at least kind of dope:

mad max
road warrior
gallipoli
the year of living dangerously
the bounty
mad max beyond thunderdome
lethal weapon
lethal weapon 2
hamlet (1 of 3 good film version of hamlet in recent years, though probably the least interesting imo)
braveheart
payback
chicken run

he's losing his mind and probably evil but he's good.

he's losing his mind and probably evil but he's good.

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I tried to watch What About Bob the other day, and reaffirmed my belief that Bill Murray should always play the smartest guy in the room, not the stupidest.

rong, The Man Who Knew Too Little is ace

I don't think there is a single thing that I've really liked chevy chase in

other than steely dan I guess

hey guys don't know if you know this but i heard chevy is kind of a jerk

Jerry Lewis in The King Of Comedy, or Alan Alda in Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Is Alan Alda supposed to be a jerk too? I never heard that.

this past christmas chevy gave everyone in the community cast one of those handheld cat urine detectors. sign of a jerk or a lovable prankster? probably both actually.

Is Alan Alda supposed to be a jerk too? I never heard that.

I'd heard a lot of talk to that effect at the time C&M came out; but actually, the way the 30 Rock cast raves about him makes me wonder if that wasn't the case.