Is Jaws the ultimate male bonding movie? Does the shark put the rub into rubber. Why is it not that well regarded these days? (Because Speilberg himself doesn't like it)?
― Pete, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― katie, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
like, duh.
― g-kit, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― chris, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark s, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex M, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
Stylistically, it's a strange sort of hybrid between 70s 'New American Cinema' and the mechanical blockbustering of 'Star Wars' etc. A lot of the non-shark scenes have got the feel of an Altman movie - lots of overlapping dialogue, etc.
― Andrew L, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
The Jungian had a lot of fun with the land.sea conscious/unconscious dichotomy, Fruedians equate the shark with the death drive (though on the boat it could also be sex).
Real shark fin. Num num. 'Snot as if sharks are an endangered species.
given that the orthodoxy is that this era was not that great after all (ie the death-knell of the 70s freedom = star wars), this is an interesting crux-point: is it true anyway (i mean, "he grew up on movies only = he was imbibing movies which had a HIDDEN proscenium arch imposed"? vs "loss of proscenium arch = death of cientmatic possibility"?)
― Billy Dods, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
The head in the boat bit still scares me even though when I watch it, I keep saying to myself "OK, the head's going to pop out any minute now. It's OK, you know what's going to happen. Any minute now, here it...HOLY FUCK!!!"
― jamesmichaelward, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
The day-for-night photography in Jaws is outrageous.
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Thursday, 3 December 2009 16:21 (fifteen years ago)
apropos of nothing, the Jaws Kitten:
http://blogs.citypages.com/food/sea%20kitten.jpg
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 24 January 2010 06:28 (fifteen years ago)
http://gawker.com/5462300/david-brown-producer
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 02:31 (fifteen years ago)
A 35th anniversry defense:
http://philnugentexperience.blogspot.com/2010/07/tanks-for-memories.html
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 21:41 (fourteen years ago)
Pretty much agree with that: "in its way, Jaws was a political movie, maybe of the best kind--one that, without making speeches about it, embodies an attitude towards life and certain ever-present species of insanity in such an entertaining way that its message quietly seeps into the [consciousness]."
Also truly captured the beach in the same way The Bad News Bears captured ballparks and arcades, so was a summer movie in a literal sense. The naturalism of the sound before horror strikes is a thing of beauty. The score and camera techniques always serve the horror.
Also was a movie about a giant shark that eats people.
― Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 16:50 (fourteen years ago)
Jaws is the best. True story.
― o sh!t a ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ (ENBB), Wednesday, 7 July 2010 16:51 (fourteen years ago)
"Also was a movie about a giant shark that eats people."
the best reading of jaws.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 7 July 2010 16:56 (fourteen years ago)
Jaws is a perfectly realized movie and doesn't need defending. Anyone who lazily uses it to blame for the decline of movies should just jump off a cliff or something.
― Implied Nazarene (latebloomer), Thursday, 8 July 2010 07:37 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, Jaws is probably my favourite film.
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 8 July 2010 11:35 (fourteen years ago)
haha, last post negates the one above!
It's about Spielberg's 6th- or 7th-best film.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 July 2010 11:52 (fourteen years ago)
Seriously? What's better?
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 8 July 2010 11:53 (fourteen years ago)
Jaws always surprises people I make watch it for the first time by how great it is.
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Thursday, 8 July 2010 11:56 (fourteen years ago)
I'd rank them:
E.T.MunichIndiana Jones & The Temple of DoomJawsSchindler's List
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 July 2010 12:00 (fourteen years ago)
those 3 + Empire of the Sun, Close Encounters, perhaps War of the Worlds or Amistad
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:07 (fourteen years ago)
Amistad?
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:11 (fourteen years ago)
Amistad? Made for TV stuff.
Munich too, maybe.
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:11 (fourteen years ago)
No way are any of those, bar maybe Indiana Jones, better than Jaws.
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:13 (fourteen years ago)
I've always thought of Jaws as his best because I wouldn't change a thing, but the highs of E.T. are higher despite its more obvious flaws, at least before his crappy retouch. I wouldn't put anything else he's done in that class.
― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:25 (fourteen years ago)
This film is rock solid. Opening few shark attacks are still so frightening.
― Davek (davek_00), Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:29 (fourteen years ago)
I would rank CE3K as his best, largely for personal/sentimental reasons, but Morbius is pretty close to OTM here. Except "Duel" should really be on that list, and I don't care that it was literally made for TV.
― Phil D., Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:39 (fourteen years ago)
I got no beef with made-for-tv stuff, duel kicks ass.
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:44 (fourteen years ago)
Jaws and Duel are pretty good thrillers, and much less interesting than the later prime stuff bcz he hadn't really grown up, and it shows.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:08 (fourteen years ago)
anyway, I'm sure somebody in academia must've suggested by now that the failure of Capt Quint's machismo to save the day heralded the ascent of Jimmy Carter.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:11 (fourteen years ago)
Much more interesting, because at that stage he was still making movies for adults. The bonding/scar scene in Jaws is as good as Spielberg ever got at 'grown up' men.
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:11 (fourteen years ago)
no.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:54 (fourteen years ago)
You're right, I'm forgetting.....?
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:58 (fourteen years ago)
xp I like Jaws, but it would work better if it was about 20 minutes shorter. Most of my cuts would reduce Dreyfuss' screen time.
BTW I live with the Jaws Kitten shown upthread and he is far more frightening than this movie.
― Brad C., Thursday, 8 July 2010 16:01 (fourteen years ago)
The Dreyfuss character is an important Spielberg surrogate/triumph of the nerds figure! In the book isn't he a stud who sleeps w/ the sheriff's wife?
"Scar" drinking scene is essentially extended-adolescent dick-measuring which is lampooned by the RD character.
Tony Kushner's treatment of adult agony over the duties to family/nation?
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 July 2010 16:25 (fourteen years ago)
In the book isn't he a stud who sleeps w/ the sheriff's wife?
Yeah, Dreyfuss's college boy is much better for the movie treatment.
Scar" drinking scene is essentially extended-adolescent dick-measuring
heeey, i did put 'grown up' in scare quotation marks, be fair.
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Thursday, 8 July 2010 16:39 (fourteen years ago)
spielberg has never made a better film than jaws ffs
you can read stephen heath's classic essay abt jaws here, kinda a high watermark of cambridge semiotic theory:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=22ab7E9K1TYC&pg=PA509&lpg=PA509&dq=stephen+heath+jaws&source=bl&ots=af5n1RZ-vY&sig=OqoAw3f3bogix6v70i27Arl0kYk&hl=en&ei=cws2TJ_KDJHu0gSblMHxAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=stephen%20heath%20jaws&f=false
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 8 July 2010 17:34 (fourteen years ago)
Jeez... way to make it sound boring. WTG, Heath.
― kenan, Thursday, 8 July 2010 17:42 (fourteen years ago)
I was at a screening of Jaws last week--couldn't even count how many times I've seen it. The print wasn't great, but it still gets my vote as Spielberg's best. Flawless up till the three of them head out on the boat; some great moments the rest of the way (the bonding/scar scene, of course), although I did find it lagged a little in the last half-hour. I'm surprised no one mentions The Sugarland Express anymore, which for me is his second best. Couldn't disagree more with the contention that Spielberg "hadn't really grown up" when he made Jaws. To me, that's like saying the Beatles hadn't really grown up when they made "Eight Days a Week" and "Ticket to Ride." Or: I agree, and if Munich and Saving Private Ryan (or Abbey Road and Let It Be) are what happens when you grow up, then I'll take the adolescent.
― clemenza, Thursday, 8 July 2010 20:44 (fourteen years ago)
The Bealtles made great adolescent music in that period, sort of the way the Jackson 5 made great children's music in '69-72.
E.T. and Empire of the Sun both more grown up than Jaws.
Whenever these threads descend into a rehash of the director's career we've had 500 times, WRITERS never get mentioned. ie, the writers he worked with/adapted in the later films were better than Carl Gottlieb etc.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 July 2010 21:00 (fourteen years ago)
I would totally stan for Empire of the Sun if John Williams hadn't ruined it
― Master of the Manly Ballad (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 8 July 2010 21:08 (fourteen years ago)
Good point about writers; I think it was Richard Corliss who wanted to completely reevaluate the same ground covered by Sarris's American Cinema in terms of writers. I'd be lying if I claimed to know anything about Spielberg's writers, other than that Peter Benchley wrote Jaws. But I did find Munich deadly dull, especially considering what an amazing subject it had to work with. I think the Spielberg of Jaws had far greater film instincts than the guy who made Munich (and would draw an almost exact parallel with the Scorsese of Mean Streets vs. the guy who made The Departed).
You really consider "I Want You Back" and "I'll Be There" children's music? I mean, I know it was a kid who sang those songs, but there sure were a lot of adults--then and now--who connected in a big way.
― clemenza, Thursday, 8 July 2010 21:19 (fourteen years ago)
"children's music" does not preclude that.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 July 2010 21:52 (fourteen years ago)
Spielberg hasn't made a movie that successfully meets its intentions since the eighties, but there's no question his movies have been far more unusual, interesting, and challenging than they ever were. It's unbelievable that he created Catch Me If You Can, The Terminal, War of the Worlds, and Munich in a three-year span.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 July 2010 21:58 (fourteen years ago)
Did I wake up in some weird universe where Abbey Road is not almost universally considered one of the top 3, if not the best, Beatles album?
― Phil D., Thursday, 8 July 2010 22:47 (fourteen years ago)
Catch Me If You Can, The Terminal, War of the Worlds, and Munich in a three-year span.
the only one I haven't seen of these is Munich and the rest are terrible!
― Master of the Manly Ballad (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 8 July 2010 23:01 (fourteen years ago)
The Terminal isn't very good, CMIYC is fine if overlong, and WOTW is three-quarters of a knockout.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 July 2010 23:02 (fourteen years ago)
From one Phil D. to another: It's way down the list for me personally, but generally speaking, I think it's still considered one of their best.
I think Spielberg has aged better than Scorsese (not to mention Coppola). Whereas I've found every Scorsese non-documentary since Casino dreary to one degree or another, Spielberg still surprises me sometimes. I didn't like Munich, but Catch Me If You Can, A.I., and Minority Report were all mostly successful, I thought.
― clemenza, Thursday, 8 July 2010 23:05 (fourteen years ago)
...and hold up much better than The Color Purple, Always, and Hook. In his leaden way he's trying for new tones and moods in the last four or five movies.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 July 2010 23:19 (fourteen years ago)
"Jaws" is perfect, or at least as perfect as nearly anything by Hitchcock. Spielberg did indeed later grow up, but his more "mature" "CEOT3K" and "ET" are infused with his trademark innocence and fretting about the family unit (so is "Poltergeist," for that matter). Soon enough, though, he quickly confused growing up with mawkishness. Then after following his worst movie ("Hook") with two of his best ("Jurassic Park" - sort of like "Jaws" with a better built shark - and "Schindler's List," both the same year!!!), he promptly forgot how to end a film, resulting in a string of flawed soooo close contenders. "Private Ryan," "Catch Me ...," "War of the Worlds," "AI," "Minority Report" ... all of these are full of classic scenes/moments, and all come sooooo close, yet each falls just short of their potential for various avoidable reasons. Or fall more than just short, as the case may sometimes be, and I'd include "Munich" and "The Terminal" as two of his biggest misses, if hardly misfires.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 July 2010 00:29 (fourteen years ago)
Just gonna give him a pass on Jurassic Park 2, Josh?
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 July 2010 00:31 (fourteen years ago)
I'm not a huge Spielberg fan, but I think this is pretty clearly one of the best movies ever.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 July 2010 00:34 (fourteen years ago)
Jaws, not JP2.
I forgot all about JP2, which sucks.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 July 2010 00:40 (fourteen years ago)
Other than Woody Allen and (maybe) Soderbergh (one generation later and follows a different ethic), what other Major American Director often makes two movies a year?
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 July 2010 00:42 (fourteen years ago)
Winterbottom?
Years ago, I interviewed screenwriter David Koepp, and my first question was basically "whose dumb idea was it to have the girl go all Gymkata on the dinosaurs in JP2?" He got a bit pissed, but much later, after I proved I wasn't a total jackass, he turned the tape recorder off and explained how on a big budget movie that like, sometimes you have no control over the stupid ideas that make it in.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 July 2010 00:45 (fourteen years ago)
Totally curious, come to think of it, that he did "Hook" (ass), then "JP" and "SL" (class), then "Amistad" and "JP2" (ass) all over the course of 6 years.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 July 2010 00:52 (fourteen years ago)
"Jaws" is perfect
Perfect AT WHAT?
Winterbottom is a Brit. Many of his films are subsidized, so it doesn't matter that almost no one sees them.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 July 2010 02:04 (fourteen years ago)
Perfect at cinematography? Acting? Editing? Score? Casting? Pacing?
Totally missed the "American" part of the prolific director challenge.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 July 2010 02:14 (fourteen years ago)
The editing makes it, but I wd argue vs 'perfect'.
Also, the Quint role kinda requires the actor to be terrible, and Robert Shaw delivered.
Also loved Belushi as Dreyfuss on SNL '75-76: "THISSSSSS was NO boating accident!!!"
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 July 2010 02:22 (fourteen years ago)
Also, Williams' "Let's go on a big sea adventure!" score over the Orca scenes doesn't quite work.
― Phil D., Friday, 9 July 2010 02:25 (fourteen years ago)
maybe i'm forgetting something but he's never really directed a successful comedy right? anyhow question i'm guessing someone here might be able to answer: a few years back there was this blog w/ this guy writing about every spielberg film, house next door linked to it (when zeitz was still behind the site, before it merged w/ slant?), and then it turned out the guy was plagiarizing some book and that was that (i think the blog died and house next door certainly stopped linking to it in any case). my question: what was that book?
― balls, Friday, 9 July 2010 02:33 (fourteen years ago)
Catch Me If You Can was essentially a comedy. 1941 has its fans (and Robert Stack is funnier in it than he was in Airplane!).
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 July 2010 02:40 (fourteen years ago)
I also consider The Terminal successful.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 July 2010 02:41 (fourteen years ago)
1941 has its moments (i vaugely recall) and i'm not gonna hate anything w/ wendie jo sperber. i thought maybe catch me if you can (or actually i thought maybe the terminal which i enjoyed also) but i was thinking something less ambiguously a comedy. i'm not even sure what would qualify besides 1941 (hook?). it's odd cuz he clearly has a strong sense of humor, most of his decent to great movies have at least one (usually more) very funny moment or scene, it's not like he's oliver stone or something.
― balls, Friday, 9 July 2010 03:10 (fourteen years ago)
*looks for ILX off switch!!*
― Guru Meditation (Ste), Friday, 9 July 2010 08:31 (fourteen years ago)
hey balls, i think this might be the book - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Directed-Steven-Spielberg-Contemporary-Blockbuster/dp/0826416918
― just sayin, Friday, 9 July 2010 08:54 (fourteen years ago)
A friend just sent me this (yes, because I was asking him if he thought Jaws should be considered an action movie lol) and I'd never seen it before. I LOLd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92yHyxeju1U
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:50 (thirteen years ago)
btw I said it's not an action movie he said he guessed it could be considered one but he wouldn't class it as such personally.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:54 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=b5-oQ2fOnOc
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:01 (thirteen years ago)
So I was waiting for permission to post this but this is him and his wife and what I think is pretty much unquestionably the best Halloween duo costume effort ever:
http://i40.tinypic.com/24pdx09.jpg
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:16 (thirteen years ago)
A+
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 23:17 (thirteen years ago)
Blu-ray on the way, with restoration from the original negative
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzlqXJ80dJU
http://www.gofobo.com/news/spielbergs_jaws_heads_to_bluray_for_first_time_in_digitally_restored_and_remastered_edition_exc
― Frank Youngenstein (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:18 (thirteen years ago)
cool.but thought this bump was going to be connected with Jaws4 which I'm for some odd reason watching now.
― PSOD (Ste), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:40 (thirteen years ago)
What's funny/strange is that I don't recall previous DVD incarnations of "Jaws" looking as shitty as the examples they trot out there.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:56 (thirteen years ago)
holy shit this looks great. but yeah the DVDs looked pretty good to begin with.
pretty amazing extras on the thing http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/11/jaws-blu-ray-august-14th/from a geeky POV i like how the cover art is basically the original poster not that phony cartoony looking thing i have on my old late 90s VHS.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:45 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/04/jaws-restoration-still-2.jpg
I have literally never seen the film look bad as it does on the left.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:14 (thirteen years ago)
yeah, they're lowering the target to make it look like they've worked miracles.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 21:54 (thirteen years ago)
That preview ENBB posted in full of SPOILERS. Oh wait, I see.
― Stars on 45 Fell on Alabama (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 10:59 (thirteen years ago)
this is a screen grab from my own copy, which is old but was already apparently a digitally remastered version.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2EVo9AQpCV8/T6EauPn1BjI/AAAAAAAAANc/wK_2FigVLS0/s1600/jawsnormal.png
― PSOD (Ste), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 11:31 (thirteen years ago)
"see this original 1975 release print that the projectionist's kid tossed into a washing machine not once but twice? pretty nasty huh? well get a load of this newly digitially mastered blu-ray..."
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:20 (thirteen years ago)
From Michael Sragow's appreciation:
In the extras on the new edition, it’s heartening to hear Spielberg and his fans (including buffs and directors as diverse as Bryan Singer, M. Night Shyamalan, Kevin Smith, and Eli Roth) take all the right lessons from this film’s success. For one thing, they admire the way it soaked up the atmosphere of an actual town with the help of non-actors who react like real people rather than like models in a beach catalogue. Anyone who wants to know what it was like to vacation in a coastal town in the mid-seventies can start with “Jaws.” It’s somehow poignant to see normal-sized bodies of all ages (neither ripped nor morbidly obese) lolling on the sand while rock or classical music rolls in with the thin, endearing sound of transistor radios.
Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2012/08/restoration-of-steven-spielbergs-jaws.html#ixzz23d1vPuMN
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 15:20 (twelve years ago)
I appreciate the unabashed enthusiasm of that piece.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 15:30 (twelve years ago)
Dreyfuss has rarely gotten the credit he deserves for his skill at insinuating speedy comic rhythms into seemingly intractable material.
The scene with Dreyfuss, Scheider and Murray Hamilton in front of the billboard is a perfect example of this, and is also the greatest thing ever. His reaction after describing the size of the shark, and Hamilton's rejoinder, "Love to prove that, wouldn't you? Get your name in the National Geographic?" is a thing of beauty.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GwO45nxb-9k/TB8AAnyKDOI/AAAAAAAACbw/aFpUs5Eepp8/s1600/jm2.jpg
― Darren Robocopsky (Phil D.), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 15:31 (twelve years ago)
They're screening the new bluray for us at work over a couple of lunchtimes - we saw the first half yesterday and goddammit it's gorgeous.
And Phil otm about the billboard scene. Also the way Dreyfuss can add comedy without any dialogue at all. Just that look on his face like he's a teakettle ready to explode cracks me up.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago)
I love that the films French title translates into English as "The Teeth of the Sea."
― to welcome jer.fairall, pie is served. (jer.fairall), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago)
I wonder how much, if any, Dreyfuss was allowed to ad lib when working with Spielberg? There's a great moment in Close Encounters when Teri Garr gets upset with him after the kids say, "Dad said we could stay up and watch 'The Ten Commandments!'" and he replies, almost sotto voce, "I told them they could watch five of the commandments." That always struck me as an ad lib, and a funny one at that.
― Darren Robocopsky (Phil D.), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 16:01 (twelve years ago)
http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-media/2014/07/jaws-ridiculous-say-kids-who-owe-everything-jaws
― balls, Friday, 4 July 2014 04:00 (ten years ago)
Dreyfuss kids not OTM.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 July 2014 13:07 (ten years ago)
on the Blu Ray the picture is so good the kill on the beach (where Brody has that out-of-body moment and the camera does the dolly zoom) is real bloody and nasty and realistic. i was shocked. like it's literally horrifying.
― piscesx, Saturday, 5 July 2014 14:43 (ten years ago)
i just rewatched this yesterday, 4th of July viewing etc :)
goddamn I love Shaw
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 5 July 2014 17:11 (ten years ago)
Yeah, maybe I just think this because I've seen it so many times, but really how can you misremember who said the 'bigger boat' line?
I rewatched it a few nights ago too, stumbled upon it around 9pm and saw the last half (with ads). Watched with my parents, who have also seen it tons of times. My mother shrieked her head off.
― franny glasshole (franny glass), Saturday, 5 July 2014 22:34 (ten years ago)
dreyfuss kids should watch, provide thoughts on close encounters next
― balls, Saturday, 5 July 2014 23:02 (ten years ago)
their favorite part is when godard plays 'Also sprach Zarathustra' on that giant trumpet to help summon ET.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Saturday, 5 July 2014 23:15 (ten years ago)
Saw it last night in a big theater. Hadn't seen it in ~13 years. Perfect movie. A lot gorier than I remember. Everyone applauded when the shark exploded.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 30 June 2016 18:19 (eight years ago)
It's totally perfect. I watched this with my 11-year old daughter last week and she loved it. So then we watched Alien, and she liked it fine, but thought Jaws was so much scarier/grosser.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 30 June 2016 18:20 (eight years ago)
Alien at 11?! Your child may be superhuman, to tolerate something that boring.
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 June 2016 19:36 (eight years ago)
Slow film, sure, but still striking. We started 2001 yesterday, and the monkeys meet monolith stuff had her asking so many questions I'm worried what I'm in for.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 30 June 2016 19:47 (eight years ago)
pic.twitter.com/Dfh1slnJva— Peter Labuza (@labuzamovies) July 29, 2018
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 July 2018 17:45 (six years ago)
all of those readings can be said to be wrong or aberrant
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 30 July 2018 18:05 (six years ago)
Saw it for the umpteenth time in a pretty packed rep theatre last night. I always felt that was the ideal way to see Jaws, but now that it seems to have turned into The Rocky Horror Picture Show, with people wildly cheering various lines and moments (Shaw's fingernails a big favourite), I'll have to rethink that. Couldn't find one of my favourite images online--the close-up of Scheider as he flips through the shark book.
― clemenza, Friday, 16 August 2019 13:53 (five years ago)
I was 10 years old and on Martha's Vineyard for a week in the summer of 1974. My family was driving back from Edgartown to Menemsha, where we had our boat. We saw these cabanas erected at State Beach, which we'd never seen before, along with all these other strange-looking vehicles. We pulled over and asked some people what was going on. They said a movie was being filmed and they were looking for extras to be in the Fourth of July scene — $20 each. We asked the name of the movie and someone replied "Jaws." We thought that was the dumbest name for a movie ever, and we drove on.
― Jazzbo, Friday, 16 August 2019 14:28 (five years ago)
Wow, this revive comes right after I made a "Jaws" joke on a different thread. Eerie. Anyway, this movie is perfect.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 August 2019 14:31 (five years ago)
Bizarre thing that crossed my mind last night (won't make sense unless you've seen the film and are also a big baseball fan): Hooper is a sabermetrician, Quint is a curmudgeonly old-school scout.
― clemenza, Friday, 16 August 2019 14:46 (five years ago)
"What have you got here?"
"A laptop."
"A laptop? You enter data into the laptop? Data tells you whether the player’s good or not? You don’t have to actually see the player play? Our player? Farewell and adieu to you, fair Spanish ladies..."
― clemenza, Friday, 16 August 2019 14:55 (five years ago)
Seen "Jaws" a hell of a lot, but we watched it as a family again last night. Imagine being Steven Spielberg and always knowing, somewhere in the back of your mind, that you were the one who made "Jaws." How cool is that.
Anyway, every time I've seen it I've noticed something else. This time I not only focused on how perfect every shot is as a storytelling device (the way each shot is framed to deliver vital information, and so on) but for the first time ever recognized that the reason Quint rides the engine into the red going back to the shore is not simply hubris and carelessness but because for the first time this tough guy is actually *scared*. The scene is preceded by him and Hooper (both shaken, now more or less peers of a sort) commenting ominously about how this shark is behaving differently from any shark they've ever seen. You can see Quint do the math, and that's when he floors it, muttering about luring the shark closer to shore, but you can tell he's desperate, almost as an excuse to get back himself. Of course they don't make it, and that's when Quint, formerly all macho bluster, turns to Hooper, as chastened as he'll ever be, and asks, just curious, that fancy poison you brought, do you maaaaybe think *that* will do the trick?
Still not entirely sure why Quint destroys the radio earlier. Macho, sure, or maybe out of frustration. Perhaps that's just his last chance to catch the shark on his own terms, because after that the tide (so to speak) really starts to turn against them.
We'd all seen the movie except my 12-year old, who thought it was OK though astutely recognized on her own that it's not *quite* a horror movie, because it's too much fun (adventure). Both kids kept commenting on how old everybody looked. Scheider was 43 and Lorraine Gray was I think around *38* but they both could have passed for (or been cast as!) much older parents if not grandparents today. And of course a lot of the other parents look really old too. The actress who played the mother of the boy who is eaten, Lee Fierro, was 46, about my age, but she looks like one of my mom's friends. I dunno, just another example of people looking old in the '70s, I guess.
Oh, another thing: never occurred to me that this is one of the rare movies that kills a kid *and* a dog, in the same scene!
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 March 2020 15:11 (five years ago)
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/world/europe/coronavirus-britain-boris-johnson.html
LONDON — Prime Minister Boris Johnson of Britain once said his political hero was the mayor in the film “Jaws,” praising him for defying mass hysteria to keep the beaches open after a constituent is eaten by a shark.
― Ok bloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 14 March 2020 16:56 (five years ago)
Spielberg’s probably the best suspense director this side of Hitchcock, with how he takes time to build tension not just within individual scenes but throughout the whole film. Just by withholding and hinting. I think the whole “the shark looked terrible so they had to compensate” aspect is probably only a bit true in terms of the film’s effectiveness; the creativity he shows throughout is astonishing. His ability there is also what raises something like Raiders of the Lost Ark to something beyond what its storyline might suggest.
The mayor is someone who seems like a caricature but he’s not an asshole, just a denialist. Unlike other authority figures who are roadblocks he makes sense: he likes Brody but he’s also not native to the island so he thinks he knows better. He’s got one of my favorite lines in this too: “we caught and killed a large predator that supposedly injured some bathers.”
― omar little, Saturday, 14 March 2020 18:16 (five years ago)
I always like how the mayor drives his entourage onto the ferry just to nag Brody, then when they reach the other side, he tells the ferry guy "OK, you can go back now," and you can see the ferry guy just shake his head in annoyance.
Re: withholding and hinting, it's quite striking how quickly everything starts happening. First shark attack happens literally 4 minutes in. But the second one, with the kid, is around minute 17. That one is one of the most frightening shots of the shark, just this blur coming into focus below the water that pulls him under. And then, from a distance, you just see this mass of splashing, thrashing and indistinct fins.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:04 (five years ago)
There's also the horrifying moment when they bring Hooper back to see the body, and they basically bring out a small drawer.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:12 (five years ago)
I've probably said this before, but I saw or read something once about the famous dolly/zoom shot of Brady during the second attack that pointed out how Hitchcock required x amount of days and x amount of dollars for a similar shot (more than one I think) in Vertigo, and Spielberg just tosses it out there nonchalantly. (Yes, I realize Hitchcock got there first, and that Spielberg's got a 17-year technological advantage.)
http://nofilmschool.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_wide/public/jaws-jaws-jaws.jpg?itok=eYNM5jBw
― clemenza, Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:15 (five years ago)
At the same time, this by today's standards modest movie took significantly longer to shoot than, say, Black Panther, which shows how many problems they had.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:26 (five years ago)
See, that shot is a great example of what we were talking about. Scheider there is a movie star, professionally lit and made up. He's two years younger than I am now, but he looks at least 10 years older than me and my friends.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:30 (five years ago)
You should read this--thought I posted about it in this thread, but I guess not.
http://i.harperapps.com/covers/9780062229281/x300.jpg
― clemenza, Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:32 (five years ago)
That looks awesome!
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:33 (five years ago)
Weird to think vertigo was only 17 years old when jaws was released
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Saturday, 14 March 2020 20:18 (five years ago)
I feel like there's a Woody Allen joke there somewhere.
― clemenza, Saturday, 14 March 2020 20:26 (five years ago)
That book was pretty good, thanks for the recommendation. Interesting that they even released a contemporaneous account. Usually these sorts of books only appear after a movie flops, a la The Devil's Candy or Final Cut.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 28 March 2020 18:43 (five years ago)
Watched this with the family tonight — my wife and kids had never seen it and I hadn’t in years — and everybody was super tense the whole time. This Spielberg kid has potential.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 21 May 2022 02:06 (three years ago)
never lets me down, i will never not love this movie
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 21 May 2022 03:22 (three years ago)
I think Jaws is a stealthy Holocaust movie but I can’t really explain, y/n?
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Sunday, 6 November 2022 16:18 (two years ago)
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― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 November 2022 16:24 (two years ago)
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 6 November 2022 20:12 (two years ago)
Nah I’m right sorry
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Sunday, 6 November 2022 21:01 (two years ago)
Stevie Spiels wishing for east coast WASPs to have a holocaust of their own, to spread empathic understanding without polemic?
― Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Sunday, 6 November 2022 23:20 (two years ago)
idk
― "H to the Izzo" means "I love you" (Deflatormouse), Sunday, 6 November 2022 23:43 (two years ago)
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― Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Monday, 7 November 2022 07:49 (two years ago)
now you're doing that shit when the url doesn't even show in the thread?
― na (NA), Monday, 7 November 2022 15:09 (two years ago)
Watched this again last night. They truly don't make em like they used to. I swear Quint's demise goes on longer and grislier every time; the edit from the shark crunching down and him spitting up blood is proper filmmaking.
Scheider is vv good here, funny, smartly ahead of the game, flawed in his being pressured into second guessing, but heroic despite his deep fear, and a great example of a lead character who is also an audience surrogate.
Really like how the Williams score will periodically turn thrilling and glorious when they're chasing down the shark, echoing the overconfidence of the hunting party.
I find it p funny (not a detriment to the film btw) that the Mayor gets shook enough to hire Quint after that fella in the rowboat gets feasted on off in the side pond, but the kid turning into a blood fountain in full view of hundreds of beachgoers has him all, "now let's not be hasty here."
― omar little, Thursday, 6 July 2023 01:12 (one year ago)
There's a screening at a rep theatre here in a few weeks, Friday night @ 9:30; hope it's as jam-packed as can be.
― clemenza, Thursday, 6 July 2023 01:56 (one year ago)
Hold up, apparently there is an imminent Broadway production about the making of the movie, called "The Shark is Broken"? Starring Robert Shaw's son as Chief Brody?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 20:27 (one year ago)
I think that's played London before
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 20:48 (one year ago)
For maximum insanity, a musical I can only hope.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 21:06 (one year ago)
Couldn't make a Friday night screening--about 100 people I was told--but saw this at a rep tonight. The promise of "35mm print" is losing its allure: this one wasn't great.
Besides all the stuff it's actually famous for, I'd rank this as one of funniest films of the '70s. There are at least a half-dozen moments I'd point to to support that.
Not sure if I knew this or not, but I noticed Michael Chapman served as camera operator, a year before he shot Taxi Driver. (Reading up, he did the same on The Godfather.
Zen poetry:
A cloudin the shapeof a killer shark
― clemenza, Monday, 31 July 2023 02:35 (one year ago)
[1]I find it p funny (not a detriment to the film btw) that the Mayor gets shook enough to hire Quint after that fella in the rowboat gets feasted on off in the side pond, but the kid turning into a blood fountain in full view of hundreds of beachgoers has him all, "now let's not be hasty here."[/1]
Wasn't it because his own son was in the side pool? Or something like that.
― Ste, Monday, 31 July 2023 18:10 (one year ago)
king of the formatting
It's partly that, but the big difference is that after the kid, they think they they've caught the shark; the guy in the rowboat confirms Hooper's contention that they've caught a shark, not the shark.
I wonder if Spielberg had to fight the studio to kill the kid (and presumably remain faithful to the novel)? A lot of blood for a kid dying on screen.
― clemenza, Monday, 31 July 2023 18:41 (one year ago)
I think when I sort of meant to say was clearly the mayor is deeply shaken and guilt-ridden after the boater is killed, but doesn't seem too guilt-ridden about pushing to keep the beaches open earlier, which leads to the kid being killed. I don't think it's a story flaw or anything, I was going to say that Brody taking all of the blame willingly when the kid's mom confronts him feels a bit off, but in thinking about it he definitely took that blame because he certainly didn't push back hard enough on the mayor, and later he certainly gives the mayor the disrespectful, shoving him around treatment he deserves when making him sign the contract with quint.
― omar little, Monday, 31 July 2023 19:06 (one year ago)
This movie has more blood than John Wick 4.
― omar little, Monday, 31 July 2023 19:07 (one year ago)
Was curious if either Brody kid had ever gone on to do anything--Jaws is literally the only screen credit for both of them. (They really young kid is so great when he mimics Scheider at the dinner table.) Also, the TV guy who delivers the "A cloud in the shape of a killer shark" line is Peter Benchley!
― clemenza, Monday, 31 July 2023 19:46 (one year ago)
"The," not "They"
― clemenza, Monday, 31 July 2023 19:47 (one year ago)
One more: in the IMDB full cast credits, Spielberg is listed as "Amity Point Lifestation Worker (voice)." Will have to listen carefully for that next time. (If there is one...I think I've reached my limit.)
― clemenza, Monday, 31 July 2023 19:49 (one year ago)
the older Brody kid passed away pretty young, a heart attack. late thirties iirc.
― omar little, Monday, 31 July 2023 19:54 (one year ago)
My mother took me on my 10th birthday to see this film during its first run. It still holds up extremely well, thanks mostly to the script and the acting--and the shark's not working for most of the shots.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 31 July 2023 19:57 (one year ago)