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US news agencies saying that Osama is dead.

Wiggywoo, Monday, 2 May 2011 02:50 (fourteen years ago)

first

secretariat on demand (Z S), Monday, 2 May 2011 02:51 (fourteen years ago)

lol

shamefully blowable (latebloomer), Monday, 2 May 2011 02:51 (fourteen years ago)

http://i11.tinypic.com/53ucxtl.gif

estkella (k3vin k.), Monday, 2 May 2011 02:51 (fourteen years ago)

MJ GONE / OUR NIGGA DEAD

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 02:52 (fourteen years ago)

i feel so much safer

secretariat on demand (Z S), Monday, 2 May 2011 02:52 (fourteen years ago)

guess i need to go figure out what channel cnn is

markers, Monday, 2 May 2011 02:53 (fourteen years ago)

Don't know what difference it makes now, he was not the cause of 9/11, nor the reason Bush put us at war, but still...it's significant given he has been a hunted man for a decade.

Wiggywoo, Monday, 2 May 2011 02:54 (fourteen years ago)

x-post It's on like every channel right now.

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 2 May 2011 02:54 (fourteen years ago)

MJ GONE / OUR NIGGA DEAD

― J0rdan S., Sunday, May 1, 2011 10:52 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 02:54 (fourteen years ago)

CNN and others are reporting it. Wolf Blitzer is babbling about it with little information. President Obama is going to speak about it.

curmudgeon, Monday, 2 May 2011 02:55 (fourteen years ago)

mostly i'm just pissed that this is preemepting msnbc's airing of "sex slaves: uk"

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 02:55 (fourteen years ago)

wait hasn't the statute of limitations passed?

mookieproof, Monday, 2 May 2011 02:56 (fourteen years ago)

x-post - lol

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 2 May 2011 02:56 (fourteen years ago)

wolf blitzer + john king making sure you know that you will always, always, always remember the moment you heard the words "osama bin laden is dead"

these guys are the stupidest assholes on the face of the earth imo

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 02:57 (fourteen years ago)

Obama hits the airwaves in 1/2 hour

staph white pulvules like (Schlafsack), Monday, 2 May 2011 02:57 (fourteen years ago)

aero otm

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 2 May 2011 02:57 (fourteen years ago)

I had to change the channel because it depressed me that I would remember that I was watching Wolf Blitzer.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 2 May 2011 02:58 (fourteen years ago)

i will remember that daniel, esq told me on ilx -- where the elite gets its news

mookieproof, Monday, 2 May 2011 02:58 (fourteen years ago)

o well, miss u big guy

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 02:59 (fourteen years ago)

Osama Bin Laden was completely responsible for 9/11.
WE WON

but I want a bongo drum (CaptainLorax), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:00 (fourteen years ago)

good night, not-so-funny man

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:01 (fourteen years ago)

this is the death of swag

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 03:02 (fourteen years ago)

wolf blitzer + john king making sure you know that you will always, always, always remember the moment you heard the words "osama bin laden is dead"

i was eating a bowl of cereal, lamenting my life...now i'm eating a bowl of cereal and celebrating america

shamefully blowable (latebloomer), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:02 (fourteen years ago)

my ipad told me
good.

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:02 (fourteen years ago)

i was watching a season 4 mad men episode and refreshing ilx

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:02 (fourteen years ago)

I'm not trying to be funny. I'm pissed off.
Who knows what sorts of disinformation will continue to spread and how many people will eat it whole

but I want a bongo drum (CaptainLorax), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:03 (fourteen years ago)

let's take a moment to think of the budding comedy writer who was controlling his fake twitter account -- what will become of his career aspirations?

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 03:03 (fourteen years ago)

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkjsj5Neo11qdmmiqo1_500.gif

secretariat on demand (Z S), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:05 (fourteen years ago)

finally, something that will shut Trump up

maybe

I've seen it in your eyes and I've read it in blogs (King Boy Pato), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:05 (fourteen years ago)

emergency gif

secretariat on demand (Z S), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:05 (fourteen years ago)

Obama to allow Trump inspect the alleged body at noon tomorrow

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:05 (fourteen years ago)

maybe u should concentrate on yr bro murdoch, pato

mookieproof, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:05 (fourteen years ago)

http://files.myopera.com/bcdc/albums/35555/osama%20bin%20laden%20(bert%20is%20evil)_jpg.jpg

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:06 (fourteen years ago)

If David Gregory says "breathtaking" one more time I want to see some actual hyperventilation.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:06 (fourteen years ago)

^^ YES. RIGHT ON.

Guy? Guy? It's me, your cousin, Marvin Mann-Dude (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:06 (fourteen years ago)

can i get an ilx 2011 death pool update

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 03:07 (fourteen years ago)

obama right now

http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u344/reddfoxx724/obama.gif

estkella (k3vin k.), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:07 (fourteen years ago)

Alex Jones
CIA Asset Bin Laden 'killed'.
about a minute ago · 755 · Like ·

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:07 (fourteen years ago)

Although I kind of dug David Gregory's whole flashlight-under-the-chin ghost-story delivery.

Guy? Guy? It's me, your cousin, Marvin Mann-Dude (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:07 (fourteen years ago)

[Approved commenter] mypalfish

I'd rather have Bin Laden hiding for many more years than have Obama get the credit...and guaranteed re-election. How could Bush fail for 8 years and Obama gets him in just a few? Ugh.

Now at the Phillies/Mets game, the fans are chanting USA and OBAMA. This is the worst possible news.

the wages of sin is about tree fiddy (WmC), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:07 (fourteen years ago)

x-post lol yes re: gregory

omg thread's too fast

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:08 (fourteen years ago)

no one had bin laden!

Dead Pool 2011

estkella (k3vin k.), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:08 (fourteen years ago)

i will always remember. i was at an anime convention, watching "full metal panic" in a dark conference room when i got bored and opened twitter on my iPhone.

RIP BIG MAN

gr8080, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:08 (fourteen years ago)

I hope Obama just comes out and goes 'WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE HOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE???'

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:08 (fourteen years ago)

^^winner xp

mookieproof, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:09 (fourteen years ago)

^Seconded

Guy? Guy? It's me, your cousin, Marvin Mann-Dude (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:09 (fourteen years ago)

@estekella - ROFFLES and OTM (pardon the pun).

Wiggywoo, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:10 (fourteen years ago)

Man I wish he'd bring Biden out with him for the statement. We need some giddy.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:10 (fourteen years ago)

smoke something, bitch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKvzWH9O4as

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 03:11 (fourteen years ago)

..."Shot in the head". N-I-C-E.

Wiggywoo, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:11 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.animenetzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/full_metal_panic.jpg

?

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:12 (fourteen years ago)

i'd thought a few times lately how fucked up and depressing it was gonna feel when we hit the 10 year mark with him still alive and out there, but now that he's not, it's like oh yeah nothing about 9/11 or anything that's happened since feels any less fucked up and depressing

some dude, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:13 (fourteen years ago)

yeah i mean whatever fuckin' kill the guy but i feel p. neutral about it

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:13 (fourteen years ago)

The news comes eight years to the day that President George Bush declared "Mission accomplished" in Iraq

some dude, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:14 (fourteen years ago)

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/223110_1877585373062_1044063057_32161210_7383227_n.jpg

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:14 (fourteen years ago)

this calls for some pizza!

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:15 (fourteen years ago)

The news comes eight years to the day that President George Bush declared "Mission accomplished" in Iraq

this is a great little factoid

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:15 (fourteen years ago)

xp and then, some slimming fruit

Guy? Guy? It's me, your cousin, Marvin Mann-Dude (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:15 (fourteen years ago)

lol missed that

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:16 (fourteen years ago)

Well, it must be p tough to type headlines while patriotically masturbating furiously.

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:16 (fourteen years ago)

damn @ it being a "human operation"

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:17 (fourteen years ago)

assassinating motherfuckers

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:17 (fourteen years ago)

i'm picturing that south park episode right now

estkella (k3vin k.), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:17 (fourteen years ago)

so he was chilling in a mansion when this all went down? i mean

some dude, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:18 (fourteen years ago)

yeah wtf

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:18 (fourteen years ago)

oh man

M**** E****
ok so OBAMA BIN LADDEN is DEAD but wat about GHADAFI... HE JST LOST 3 OF HIS GRANDKIDS ND HIS YOUNGEST sON.. NGA IS GOING TO COME BACK AND MERK NGAS #JUSTSAYING
C******* GHADAFI IS A G ! NIKKAS GOTTAH TAKE HIM OUTTTTTTTTTTTT
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K**** T***** Not Obama u dumbass Osama lmao
about a minute ago · Like

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:18 (fourteen years ago)

TheRock Dwayne Johnson
Just got word that will shock the world - Land of the free...home of the brave DAMN PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!

MPx4A, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:19 (fourteen years ago)

disappointed that we'll miss out on the try him in guantanamo/military tribunal/civilian court/nyc conundrum

mookieproof, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:19 (fourteen years ago)

does this mean that i have to go to work tomorrow? someone say no

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 03:20 (fourteen years ago)

You don't have to go to work.

the wages of sin is about tree fiddy (WmC), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:20 (fourteen years ago)

can you imagine learning this news from The Rock's twitter

like if that's how everyone found out

some dude, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:20 (fourteen years ago)

i love how the rock thinks he's hiding the news from us or something

estkella (k3vin k.), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:21 (fourteen years ago)

you don't have to go to work, but only if you are osama bin laden

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:21 (fourteen years ago)

http://i52.tinypic.com/o8gdpe.jpg

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:22 (fourteen years ago)

go jays

mookieproof, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:22 (fourteen years ago)

oh fuck did a canadian kill him

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:23 (fourteen years ago)

that kinda takes away from it

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:23 (fourteen years ago)

was 50/50 as to whether he was referring to a successful opening weekend for Fast/Furious 5 at first

MPx4A, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:23 (fourteen years ago)

it's weird how handsome osama bin laden was

horseshoe, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:23 (fourteen years ago)

Wait, Andrea Martin says this is not the end of terrorism. Well hell.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:24 (fourteen years ago)

lol this guy on cnn is already telling us about the new guy

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:24 (fourteen years ago)

"he uses social media"

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:25 (fourteen years ago)

andrea mitchell says this is a "game changer"

estkella (k3vin k.), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:26 (fourteen years ago)

that seems pretty optimistic

Mordy, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:26 (fourteen years ago)

way to piss in the punchbowl, Andrea Mitchell

xxxxxxp

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:26 (fourteen years ago)

you don't say xp

estkella (k3vin k.), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:26 (fourteen years ago)

now i've got the michael jackson song "breaking news" in my head

THANKS OBAMA

staph white pulvules like (Schlafsack), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:26 (fourteen years ago)

HuffPo teaching me that Google Chrome can indeed display 800-point Arial bold

del griffith, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:26 (fourteen years ago)

time to tune in to fox and see why this is obama's fault

secretariat on demand (Z S), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:27 (fourteen years ago)

Same day pope was beatified!

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/09/30/lead_Kingdom_of_Heaven_0509120941_wideweb__375x500.jpg

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:27 (fourteen years ago)

it's weird how handsome osama bin laden was

― horseshoe, Sunday, May 1, 2011 11:23 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

ws of shame hall of fame

some dude, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:28 (fourteen years ago)

HuffPo teaching me that Google Chrome can indeed display 800-point Arial bold

― del griffith, Monday, 2 May 2011 13:26 (39 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

bloody hell that's almost comical

staph white pulvules like (Schlafsack), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:29 (fourteen years ago)

can you imagine learning this news from The Rock's twitter

like if that's how everyone found out

actual lol

gr8080, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:29 (fourteen years ago)

does this mean all those bin Ladens who flew out of the US on 9/12 can come back?

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:29 (fourteen years ago)

finally we can spend money on healthcare, education, and space travel again.

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:29 (fourteen years ago)

(lol)

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:29 (fourteen years ago)

^_^

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 03:30 (fourteen years ago)

it's weird how handsome osama bin laden was

― horseshoe, Sunday, May 1, 2011 11:23 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

ws of shame hall of fame

― some dude, Sunday, May 1, 2011 11:28 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ha i mean i guess it's not weird at all. on some level i'm five years old and expect people's deeds to affect their looks.

horseshoe, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:30 (fourteen years ago)

carn obama kick this baby off, i've got work to do

staph white pulvules like (Schlafsack), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:30 (fourteen years ago)

Wait so the popes just been made a saint but no one will GAF cos we killed bin laden?

I dont know how to feel just now.

Concubine Tree (Trayce), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:31 (fourteen years ago)

who gaf about a dead pope, honestly

staph white pulvules like (Schlafsack), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:31 (fourteen years ago)

i guess the critical re-evaluation of bin laden starts now

estkella (k3vin k.), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:32 (fourteen years ago)

would write for z s' newspaper

mookieproof, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:32 (fourteen years ago)

oh wait i see what you mean, am in full support of your point now xxp

staph white pulvules like (Schlafsack), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:32 (fourteen years ago)

Wiggywoo still posts here?!

dell (del), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:32 (fourteen years ago)

He'll go from 2 stars to 5 stars in the next Rolling Stone Terrorist Guide

the wages of sin is about tree fiddy (WmC), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:33 (fourteen years ago)

jp2 has been beatified not sainted, get it rite

mookieproof, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:33 (fourteen years ago)

and now the bickering has started on FB, with friends chastizing others for 'cheering a death' and calling everyone that does it a hypocrite.

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:33 (fourteen years ago)

"people are literally running to the white house gates."

estela, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:34 (fourteen years ago)

hey can everyone post about what their facebook friends are saying? that would be very interesting & informative

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 03:34 (fourteen years ago)

i feel like i have egg on my beard b/c i was one of those people that was convinced that he died like 9 years ago or whatever.

dell (del), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:35 (fourteen years ago)

"one man was holding up a t-shirt that said, Thank You President Bush."

estela, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:35 (fourteen years ago)

so it goes.

gr8080, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:35 (fourteen years ago)

maybe Obama can recycle some of his Trump jokes from last night.

Yerac, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:35 (fourteen years ago)

jp2 has been beatified not sainted, get it rite

yes, you Luther-lovin' heathens

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:35 (fourteen years ago)

Are you being sarky Jord or serious?

Concubine Tree (Trayce), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:36 (fourteen years ago)

p sure the former, Trayce

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:36 (fourteen years ago)

HE ALMOST FORGOT THE FLIGHT

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:37 (fourteen years ago)

i honestly had a weird moment just now where i was like "i'm not that far from the white house, i could go down there... but is there anyone in the world whose death would prompt me to cheer and jump up and down like that? that's some dark shit"

some dude, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:37 (fourteen years ago)

this speech is boring as fuck

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 03:37 (fourteen years ago)

j0rdan S, thread police

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:37 (fourteen years ago)

i just wanna hear about rad special forces shit.

night vision goggles and laser sights and shit.

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:37 (fourteen years ago)

I thot beatification and sainthood were the same thing, but Im a stinkin' protestant.

Concubine Tree (Trayce), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:38 (fourteen years ago)

x-post - lol me too

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:38 (fourteen years ago)

j0rdan S, thread police

― suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Sunday, May 1, 2011 11:37 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark

it's a tough job, but someone has to do it

http://thebenshi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Head__TABOOC.jpg

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 03:38 (fourteen years ago)

i'm seriously trying to imagine a shootout at a mansion and can only visualize Lil Wayne videos

some dude, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:39 (fourteen years ago)

MJ GONE / OUR NIGGA DEAD

― J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 03:52 (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol i was going to post this

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:39 (fourteen years ago)

wait did morbs just announce himself as catholic? what a moment that would be

mookieproof, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:39 (fourteen years ago)

It took many months to run this thread to ground

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:39 (fourteen years ago)

where is max, should we need police

mookieproof, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:39 (fourteen years ago)

I think Morbs is a Catholic!

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:40 (fourteen years ago)

hell yes, Wiggywoo still posts here. Was I missed?!? *coyly grins and bats eyelashes* Didn't know I was even known much. Mostly, I just lurk when time permits, but when I can score a first post like this I swooped on in. Mainly cuz you will all keep me up to date and I can turn the coverage off and get some work done while periodically clicking onto the ILX updates to get the latest.

Wiggywoo, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:40 (fourteen years ago)

i'm seriously trying to imagine a shootout at a mansion and can only visualize Lil Wayne videos

― some dude, Sunday, May 1, 2011 8:39 PM (1 minute ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2wD5TaMf2k

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:40 (fourteen years ago)

ok he is finally crediting pakistani help

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:41 (fourteen years ago)

yes real solider killed him not a drone thats how we roll *shades*

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:41 (fourteen years ago)

where is max, should we need police

"I'm getting too old for this shit"

gr8080, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:42 (fourteen years ago)

so can we see the fucking body or what

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:42 (fourteen years ago)

it would be pretty dope to be that soldier

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:42 (fourteen years ago)

xpost ahahahaha

secretariat on demand (Z S), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:42 (fourteen years ago)

LAD

br8080 (dayo), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:42 (fourteen years ago)

this speech is boring as fuck

― J0rdan S., Sunday, May 1, 2011 11:37 PM (4 minutes ago)

yeah right? just say we bodied this bad motherfucker

estkella (k3vin k.), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:43 (fourteen years ago)

how hard would your dick be if you were some deltaforce dude who got to cap bin laden

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:43 (fourteen years ago)

"it was just like rainbow six or some shit!!!"

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:43 (fourteen years ago)

I thought Obama would do a wacky ventriloquist bit with the body.

Guy? Guy? It's me, your cousin, Marvin Mann-Dude (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:43 (fourteen years ago)

Like Jeff Dunham?

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:44 (fourteen years ago)

I wonder what they do with the body in a situation like this.

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:44 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSz16ngdsG0

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:44 (fourteen years ago)

osama bin TRUE LADen

br8080 (dayo), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:44 (fourteen years ago)

Weekend at Bernies

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:44 (fourteen years ago)

it would be pretty dope to be that soldier

We will all probably live long enough to hear some creepy tatted guy at a bar tell us he was on the Special Forces team.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:44 (fourteen years ago)

it would've added extra insult to injury if someone had told him prior to death that he would be held off the top of trending topics by a promoted gatorade hashtag

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 03:44 (fourteen years ago)

aw, jeez, did he have to go all pledge of allegiance on us?

Wiggywoo, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:45 (fourteen years ago)

whenever i did this mission in rainbow six i had to reload a bunch until i did it without any of the hostages dying

Mordy, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:45 (fourteen years ago)

"america can do whatever we set our mind to"

we really can spend 10 years tracking down a 6 foot 6 arab who needed kidney dialysis!

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:45 (fourteen years ago)

So many guys are going to try to claim they were that guy in order to get laid.

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:45 (fourteen years ago)

i was worried that obama had forgotten the last few lines of the pledge of allegiance for a minute there

estkella (k3vin k.), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:46 (fourteen years ago)

lol Fox News 5 in NY has USAMA BIN LADEN in big bold on the bottom of the screen

Mordy, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:46 (fourteen years ago)

You'd think Chuck Todd had never said "significant" before. Sound it out, dude.

Guy? Guy? It's me, your cousin, Marvin Mann-Dude (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:46 (fourteen years ago)

well now we know why he released his birth certificate three days ago

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 03:46 (fourteen years ago)

osama bin got laiden

br8080 (dayo), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:46 (fourteen years ago)

I think they said they were burying the body at sea.

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:47 (fourteen years ago)

"america can do whatever we set our mind to"

you know, apart from affordable health care

mookieproof, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:47 (fourteen years ago)

i guess they're hoping some of their viewers will be like, "Usama? Must be Osama's brother. No biggie."

Mordy, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:47 (fourteen years ago)

USA MA - think we now know where all the true terrorists are

br8080 (dayo), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:47 (fourteen years ago)

bad luck usama

estela, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:47 (fourteen years ago)

The Rewards For Justice Program, United States Department of State, is offering a reward of up to $25 million for information leading directly to the apprehension or conviction of Usama Bin Laden. An additional $2 million is being offered through a program developed and funded by the Airline Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association.

cashin in

mizzell, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:48 (fourteen years ago)

it would've added extra insult to injury if someone had told him prior to death that he would be held off the top of trending topics by a promoted gatorade hashtag

I love you

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:48 (fourteen years ago)

i honestly had a weird moment just now where i was like "i'm not that far from the white house, i could go down there... but is there anyone in the world whose death would prompt me to cheer and jump up and down like that? that's some dark shit"

i had a moment thinking i should go investigate (i did go to the white house on election night 2008 but obvs that was the time to jump up and down and cheer!). but i didn't see the news until just before obama went on the air and it's late

daria-g, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:48 (fourteen years ago)

Trying to imagine obama on the phone with bush

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:49 (fourteen years ago)

lmao sarge

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:49 (fourteen years ago)

A lot of douchebags outside the whitehouse tonight.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:49 (fourteen years ago)

omg guy celebrating outside the white house in hulkamania t shirt i <3 you

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:49 (fourteen years ago)

^^real American

EZ Snappin, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:50 (fourteen years ago)

A lot of douchebags outside the whitehouse tonight.

hello, gw university

daria-g, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:50 (fourteen years ago)

Just stepped into the main event room at this Anime convention I'm at in time to hear the host announce the news. Moderate cheers followed by a half dozen dudes singing "na na na na hey hey hey goodbye".

Then they announced the winners of the ROCK BAND competition and the cheers were like 10 times louder.

gr8080, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:50 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVkUvmDQ3HY

br8080 (dayo), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:50 (fourteen years ago)

DON'T RULE IT OUT:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/scatteredellipse/2hfmgqe.gif

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 03:52 (fourteen years ago)

cant even remember the last time i mentally acknowledged that osama bin laden existed

flopson, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:52 (fourteen years ago)

When does this drop for PS3

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:52 (fourteen years ago)

god, i hate terrorists

dell (del), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:52 (fourteen years ago)

yeah, i don't think so. first they better fix their broken online service xp

Mordy, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:53 (fourteen years ago)

ZING

flopson, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:54 (fourteen years ago)

friend of a friend on twitter:

Osama Bin Laden is the definition of gangsta! The nigga is ruthless! Had mad niggas bodied, announced it on tv, & said find me smh
37 minutes ago via ÜberSocial

estkella (k3vin k.), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:55 (fourteen years ago)

thread delivers, you guys are making up for the idiocy on facebook

mh, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:55 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.isosamabinladendead.com/

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:55 (fourteen years ago)

My god, I'd turned my laptop off and rolled a number until a friend sent me a text a few minutes ago. Fuck bin Laden.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:56 (fourteen years ago)

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Thank God he is dead, if this is true.

However, it is the height of obscenity that Obama, the number one person trying to destroy the United States and its military from within, may profit politically from the death of the the number one person trying to destroy the United States from the outside, Bin Laden.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:56 (fourteen years ago)

Obama's face when Seth Meyers joked about "where is Bin Laden" last night -> http://www.twitpic.com/4s777w

You Get Hoynes (bnw), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:57 (fourteen years ago)

yeah, i don't think so. first they better fix their broken online service xp

― Mordy, Sunday, May 1, 2011 11:53 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Campaign, duh.

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:57 (fourteen years ago)

Osama Bin Laden is the definition of gangsta! The nigga is ruthless! Had mad niggas bodied, announced it on tv, & said find me smh
37 minutes ago via ÜberSocial

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this is actually true

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 03:57 (fourteen years ago)

i know!

estkella (k3vin k.), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:57 (fourteen years ago)

Campaign is 10 years long btw.

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:57 (fourteen years ago)

190 posts and markers still hasn't dropped a blink youtube. feel like the meme world has changed forever.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:57 (fourteen years ago)

rip markers ;_;

br8080 (dayo), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:58 (fourteen years ago)

He's still trying to figure out what channel CNN is on.

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 2 May 2011 03:58 (fourteen years ago)

uhhh Geraldo said at one point that "Obama has been killed"

slip of the year??

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 03:59 (fourteen years ago)

something tells me that it might JUST slip under the radar

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 04:00 (fourteen years ago)

abbottabad

secretariat on demand (Z S), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:00 (fourteen years ago)

lol

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkjsa0vvlq1qzu2tdo1_400.gif

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:01 (fourteen years ago)

^ awesome

shamefully blowable (latebloomer), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:01 (fourteen years ago)

lol

You Get Hoynes (bnw), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:01 (fourteen years ago)

That would have been a much better speech.

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:02 (fourteen years ago)

I know this is as stupid as shit for soooooooooooo many reasons but I'm all smiley and proud

And xpost - I think it is because .gifs like that will pop up. Meme machine <3 you.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:02 (fourteen years ago)

http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u344/reddfoxx724/obama.gif

Good weekend for Obama.

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:02 (fourteen years ago)

And to think I was going to read the ask brodie thread and catch up on 3 weeks on gun sounds youtubes. Osama ruining everything.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:03 (fourteen years ago)

can't wait to see how the teabaggers respond to obama cutting their lunch

staph white pulvules like (Schlafsack), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:04 (fourteen years ago)

limbaugh's already having a stab

staph white pulvules like (Schlafsack), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:04 (fourteen years ago)

http://twitpic.com/4s777w

daria-g, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:04 (fourteen years ago)

at first i was soured by the ilx cynicism but then I saw the people cheering on tv and that was much much x99999999999999999999 worse

You Get Hoynes (bnw), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:05 (fourteen years ago)

190 posts and markers still hasn't dropped a blink youtube. feel like the meme world has changed forever.

― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Sunday, May 1, 2011 11:57 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

rip markers ;_;

― br8080 (dayo), Sunday, May 1, 2011 11:58 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

believe me, i actually thought, "if someone's going to post 'I Miss You' in this thread, it's not going to be me

He's still trying to figure out what channel CNN is on.

― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Sunday, May 1, 2011 11:58 PM (Yesterday)

<3

markers, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:05 (fourteen years ago)

why is that worse...

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:05 (fourteen years ago)

EXCLUSIVE: Sen. Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.), a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, tells National Review Online that the United States “must stay on offense” following the death of Osama bin Laden.

“Get ready,” he says in a phone interview. “This is not over.”

“Americans need to understand that while this is a significant day, this is by no means the end of the war,” Graham says. “We can expect al-Qaeda to seek revenge and we need to be very vigilant and maintain our diligence.”

Graham heard the news from Vice President Biden. “We were excited that we got the bastard,” he says. “It was a very emotional phone call.”

“I told the Vice President that the president and his team deserve congratulations for a job well done. We have had our differences about the administration being indecisive, but the persistence they have shown in going after al-Qaeda along the Afghan-Pakistan border, and pursuing bin Laden, is something that we should all appreciate and acknowledge.”

“This makes me more resolved that patience matters,” Graham says. “At times, you begin to doubt if this day would ever come about, whether it had just slipped into history. Now [the victims and their families] have justice. It brings a lot of satisfaction. It is also a reminder that if America stays persistent, there is no enemy that we cannot defeat. The message is: if you choose to harm Americans, and try to destroy our way of life, there is no place you can hide, and no period of time that can keep you safe.”

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:06 (fourteen years ago)

i will remember that daniel, esq told me on ilx -- where the elite gets its news

― mookieproof, Monday, May 2, 2011

lol. today i am very proud of myself.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 2 May 2011 04:06 (fourteen years ago)

holy shit at obamakickinthedoorwavinthefourfour.gif

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:06 (fourteen years ago)

This is kinda weird, this was about 3 hours ago...

http://tribune.com.pk/story/160917/army-chopper-crashes-in-abbotabad/

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:07 (fourteen years ago)

it doesn't seem right to have anyone else post i miss you at innapropriate times tho!

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:07 (fourteen years ago)

yo daniel, esq where you been

br8080 (dayo), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:08 (fourteen years ago)

ok i'm taking bets on the first mixtape cover to reference this.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:09 (fourteen years ago)

yo that is a big ass pool

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 04:09 (fourteen years ago)

"CNN reported that he was writing the address himself."

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:09 (fourteen years ago)

hey dayo. i've been on ilx sabbatical, i guess.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 2 May 2011 04:10 (fourteen years ago)

of where Osama lived?

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:10 (fourteen years ago)

xpost

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:10 (fourteen years ago)

that map makes pakistan look nice imo

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:10 (fourteen years ago)

Write A Review!

You Get Hoynes (bnw), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:11 (fourteen years ago)

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkjuogbd0b1qz9bwro1_500.jpg

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:12 (fourteen years ago)

^

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:12 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:12 (fourteen years ago)

lololol

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:12 (fourteen years ago)

xp

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:12 (fourteen years ago)

omg

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:13 (fourteen years ago)

Twitter is ablaze, of course.

bunnyultramod
Late night talk show monologue writers are reading Twitter now and cursing it for burning through every possible punch line.
23 minutes ago
Retweeted by hodgman

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:13 (fourteen years ago)

my Friars Club comedian friend:

I'M HOPING OSAMA BIN LADEN CAN CLOSE FOR ME--I HEARD HE RECENTLY KILLED. TALK ABOUT A CROWD PLEASER!

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:13 (fourteen years ago)

ok i'm taking bets on the first mixtape cover to reference this

Lil B, about six hours from now, Chaotic Neutral Green Flame: Osama Is Dead

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:13 (fourteen years ago)

#longformdeathcertificate

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:13 (fourteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/KDssc.jpg

EZ Snappin, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:13 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M11SvDtPBhA

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:13 (fourteen years ago)

haha xp

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:14 (fourteen years ago)

http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/OBAMASWAG.gif

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 04:14 (fourteen years ago)

SklarBrothers

Osama Bin Laden is dead. But, like Tupac, I'm guessing he's got a few more tapes to release.
43 minutes ago

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:15 (fourteen years ago)

THE SKLAR BROTHERS!! IT'S A FREE FOR ALL

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 04:16 (fourteen years ago)

lol

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:17 (fourteen years ago)

the us politics thread is 600+ new posts - is it still just lol trump or worth actually reading outside america?

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:17 (fourteen years ago)

TheThomason

Obama: "Anybody else wanna see my birth certificate?" Drops mic, walks away.
42 minutes ago
Retweeted by hodgman

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:18 (fourteen years ago)

the us politics thread is 600+ new posts - is it still just lol trump or worth actually reading outside america?

― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, May 2, 2011 12:17 AM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest

hahahahahahahahaha

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 04:18 (fourteen years ago)

tbqh not even worth reading inside america

Mordy, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:19 (fourteen years ago)

it's also clemenza arguing with the rest of us

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:19 (fourteen years ago)

it's a lot of very insightful political musings from a guy who's always got a fresh + surprising take i.e. me

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:20 (fourteen years ago)

Ed in Cary - May 01, 2011 23:58

@mypalfish

I share your views. I feel much, much more threatened by the internal threat -- BHO -- than I did by OBL.

There is no taking the politics out of this. Our POS POTUS just made a speech celebrating his close personal involvement in this matter.

Yes. I too would rather OBL still be alive than to watch a representative of the political party that has tried to destroy the military the CIA and and high technology weapons claim the credit and posture themselves as champions of national security.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:20 (fourteen years ago)

May 1st was also when Hitler was confirmed dead apparently. COINCIDENCE?!!?

Yes.

But yet the guy on the news just made a point of drawing that parallel.

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:20 (fourteen years ago)

where are the flags coming from?

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:21 (fourteen years ago)

BIN LADEN WAS A SECRET FAGGOT

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 04:21 (fourteen years ago)

bin laden only had one ball

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:21 (fourteen years ago)

where are the flags coming from?

― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, May 2, 2011 12:21 AM (2 seconds ago) Bookmark

http://www.mysafetysign.com/img/lg/S/Break-Glass-Emergency-Sign-S-1620.gif

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 04:22 (fourteen years ago)

more:

REUTERSFLASH ReutersBreakingNews. U.S. official says believes Osama bin Laden's adult son, two other adults killed during raid on his compound

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 2 May 2011 04:22 (fourteen years ago)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CxA17NvLu_Q/Tb4wkKDbnfI/AAAAAAAAGD8/DPj0VgxyfCg/s1600/binladen.jpg

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:22 (fourteen years ago)

'dead'

That Dunkster! (absolutely clean glasses), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:23 (fourteen years ago)

Imagine how awesome Bin Laden's dried and powdered body would be as an aphrodisiac

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:24 (fourteen years ago)

tea party robot looks shocked

You Get Hoynes (bnw), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:24 (fourteen years ago)

this contrasts so sharply with another daring helicopter-based operation in the middle-east, conducted under a democratic administration, that i remember.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 2 May 2011 04:24 (fourteen years ago)

Some asshole outside the white house has brought a beach ball to bounce around.

That is all

The Band Perry is the drummer for Gay Dad (jjjusten), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:26 (fourteen years ago)

we got bin laden less than one year after they canceled 24 -- NOT A COINCIDENCE IMO

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 04:26 (fourteen years ago)

Imagine how awesome Bin Laden's dried and powdered body would be as an aphrodisiac

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/4/L/united_viagra.jpg

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:26 (fourteen years ago)

x-post

hhahahahahahaha

countdown to girls taking off their tops?

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:27 (fourteen years ago)

I love that this historic thread will forever be remembered as being started by ILX user Wiggywoo

br8080 (dayo), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:28 (fourteen years ago)

Girls go wild or the terrorists win.

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:29 (fourteen years ago)

Hmm not as big as election night but a lot of people at the WH for sure. Could not resist urge to investigate

daria, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:30 (fourteen years ago)

I'll believe it when I see the official death certificate.

StanM, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:30 (fourteen years ago)

There were also 2 ladies doing a cheerleading routine on the shoulders of somebody. No lie.

If no one else saw this on CNN plz let me know so I can go ahead and head down to the hospital because I have obv had a stroke.

The Band Perry is the drummer for Gay Dad (jjjusten), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:31 (fourteen years ago)

I love the jort wearing fellow in the tree

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:32 (fourteen years ago)

Okay that crashed helicopter was a US warship:

To summarize: 40 minute JSOC raid; two helos, one drone; 4 KIA, inc OBL; DevGru (Seal Team Six) did shooting; only cas was US helocopter

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:32 (fourteen years ago)

markb
Reports stating Osama was taken down with a nailclipper. TSA: "Told you."

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:33 (fourteen years ago)

can't help thinking the tories will disingenuously cheer osama's death so that when any terrorist atack all happens anywhere they can all scream "OBAMA FAILED" in unison

staph white pulvules like (Schlafsack), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:33 (fourteen years ago)

I saw the shit out of those cheerleaders.

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:33 (fourteen years ago)

"tea party robot looks shocked"

― You Get Hoynes (bnw)

I just thought that was their natural expression.

Wiggywoo, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:34 (fourteen years ago)

more details here:
http://twitter.com/#!/marcambinder

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:34 (fourteen years ago)

jort wearing fellow in the tree

this is a beautiful description

br8080 (dayo), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:34 (fourteen years ago)

I would imagine that google map I linked to upthread contains the mansion/compound where osama was killed.

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:35 (fourteen years ago)

Going to use that address for the Arcade Fire video.

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:36 (fourteen years ago)

ambinder = killing it

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 04:37 (fourteen years ago)

ClayTravisBGID Clay Travis
George Washington's cheerleading squad performing in crowd outside White House. Seriously.

http://jimrlong.us/GodBlessAmerica/God_Bless_America.jpg

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 04:39 (fourteen years ago)

This is pretty unreal, English language msg board of people in the neighborhood liveblogging the crash:
http://www.pakwheels.com/forums/non-wheels-discussions/164223-whats-going

more pre-OBL dead news reports here:
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=abbottabad+helicopter

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:39 (fourteen years ago)

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"Enough! I DO NOT want to view this through the prism of whether or not it helps Obama get elected. Leave that sort of talk to crass, obtuse, craven lefty pundits. This moment belongs to America."

And this attitude is why more often than not, Republicans lose. If Bush had killed Bin Laden (which he should have in 8 friggin years!), do you think the liberals would be falling all over themselves to praise him like so many here are doing with Obama? This is the nightmare scenario for the GOP. Not only will Obama cruise to victory next year, his coattails will now be in full effect again, hurting our chances in House and Senate races across the country. There is no excuse for President Bush to not have gotten this done in his two terms in office. Obama putting Osama out to pasture in two years makes the whole Bush team look like weak amateurs. You cannot....CANNOT...take politics out of this. And as a said before, Obama is at an unbelievably strong 50% even with gas prices, food prices, lack of jobs, etc. The public is looking for any reason to side with the guy and this is a mighty good reason.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:39 (fourteen years ago)

BBC have not mentioned the helicopter since I turned it on an hour ago.

Lol though at talking head saying that "Obama knows this is not 'Mission Accomplished'"

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:41 (fourteen years ago)

alfred who is this 1 crazy republican you keep quoting?

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:42 (fourteen years ago)

does it really matter?

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 04:42 (fourteen years ago)

one of the terrorists

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:43 (fourteen years ago)

just wondering what glenn beck has been upto lately

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:43 (fourteen years ago)

Brian Williams saying the helicopter crashed from a low height, people survived, and then the helicopter was destroyed purposely.

Sounds...sketchy?

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:44 (fourteen years ago)

that marilyn monroe USA flag on CNN is pretty cool

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:44 (fourteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/Yjn8u.png

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:44 (fourteen years ago)

bread assessor.

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:45 (fourteen years ago)

clearly there's a potential abbott screenname in that

rock rough 'n' stuff with h.r. pufnstuf (Hurting 2), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:45 (fourteen years ago)

xpost

rock rough 'n' stuff with h.r. pufnstuf (Hurting 2), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:45 (fourteen years ago)

that fucking guy

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:46 (fourteen years ago)

abort humanity

corey, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:46 (fourteen years ago)

xpost to google map
I always knew he was just down the road from the MSW Segregation Composting Site, past the Coaster Stand and the Abbottabad Hockey Stadium, right by the Women & Children Hospital. If you pass Our Own English School or Bright-Future Academy you've gone too far east.

wk, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:47 (fourteen years ago)

http://i54.tinypic.com/2j3qm49.jpg

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:49 (fourteen years ago)

stoked for the first photo-j shoot of that compound

gr8080, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:50 (fourteen years ago)

openbook so far kinda lame but this girl has an unfortunate name

http://i51.tinypic.com/21noysy.jpg

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:52 (fourteen years ago)

me_irl
Beloved character actor Osama bin Laden, star of TV's "Fox News", dies age 54

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:53 (fourteen years ago)

worst reactions: 1) rightwingers handwringing that this will benefit obama, this is worse than 9/11, etc 2) leftwingers handwringing that americans not only approve of bin laden's death but actually seem to take joy in it, nothing has changed, etc. 3) internet humor

best reactions: 1) topless babes in the public square 2) rightwingers handwringing that this will benefit obama, this is worse than 9/11, etc 3) darryl worley (presumably)

balls, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:53 (fourteen years ago)

lol @ "bredissesor"

Concubine Tree (Trayce), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:54 (fourteen years ago)

breed assessor

VegemiteGrrl, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:55 (fourteen years ago)

so what are they going to call the inevitable osama-isn't-dead conspiracy theorists?

joygoat, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:56 (fourteen years ago)

stupid

thread assessor (latebloomer), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:56 (fourteen years ago)

"2) leftwingers handwringing that americans not only approve of bin laden's death but actually seem to take joy in it, nothing has changed, etc. 3) internet humor"

not sure how you reconcile disapproval of both of these things.

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:56 (fourteen years ago)

Sure I love that I learnt about this from Wiggywoo but if only we all first found out about it from this guy-

http://i51.tinypic.com/2cg0a6q.jpg

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:57 (fourteen years ago)

the disco raga guy?

corey, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:57 (fourteen years ago)

"Sure I love that I learnt about this from Wiggywoo but if only we all first found out about it from this guy"
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy)

heh heh heh, thanks for the luv, but it truly would have been far more fun to have learned the news from that guy!

Wiggywoo, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:59 (fourteen years ago)

http://twitpic.com/4s88i0

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:00 (fourteen years ago)

ParisHilton
Just landed back in LA, so happy to hear the news of Osama bin Laden's death. He was the face of terrorism and such ... http://tmi.me/9CZnB

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:00 (fourteen years ago)

"terrorism and such"

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:01 (fourteen years ago)

full tweet, btw: Just landed back in LA, so happy to hear the news of Osama bin Laden's death. He was the face of terrorism and such an evil man. The world is a much better place with him not in it.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:01 (fourteen years ago)

he killed people and whatnot.

estela, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:02 (fourteen years ago)

Just landed back in LA, so happy to hear the news of Osama bin Laden's death. He was the face of terrorism and such an evil man. The world is a much better place with him not in it. Also, I never got to fuck him :(

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 05:02 (fourteen years ago)

lol

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:03 (fourteen years ago)

he was the face of terrorism and gerber

jay lenonononono (abanana), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:04 (fourteen years ago)

hey jordo I know we've had our problems in the past but you're bringing the quality in this thread and I appreciate it.

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:04 (fourteen years ago)

you know matt, over the past like six months or so i've been thinking "when did i beef w/ matt armstrong & why?" cuz i pretty much agree w/ you lots of the time

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 05:06 (fourteen years ago)

IT HAD TO HAPPEN

http://i.min.us/in27yg.gif

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 05:07 (fourteen years ago)

matt & jordan "peace in our time"

VegemiteGrrl, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:08 (fourteen years ago)

feel like there's something I'm supposed to say on these kinds of threads

no slouch of a snipster (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:09 (fourteen years ago)

all joking aside:

i'm recoiling pretty heavy at this narrative that is popping up (just propagated by david gregory on msnbc) of all these college kids in DC celebrating because this is the end of my generation's "childhood nightmare". i think it would be obvious that college kids are rioting in front of the white house because of lol college/no parental supervision/let's get crazy, but i shouldn't have give news anchors that much credit.

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 05:12 (fourteen years ago)

wonderella
If any Republican gays want to come out, this is a pretty good news cycle for it.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:12 (fourteen years ago)

he killed people and whatnot.

This made me actually choke on my water laughing.

Concubine Tree (Trayce), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:13 (fourteen years ago)

fleet foxes got best new music

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 05:14 (fourteen years ago)

wait wait i thought jews did 911?

jeff, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:14 (fourteen years ago)

wonderella
If any Republican gays want to come out, this is a pretty good news cycle for it.

― Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 06:12 (39 seconds ago) Bookmark

If any Republican gays want to come out, say they've killed before, they've poisoned the country's water and made your favourite baseballer take steroids, this is a pretty good news cycle for it.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:15 (fourteen years ago)

I guess I'm feeling like they just killed John Hinkley or something. Like, "Oh. So that's still a thing? Okay. Anyway..."

Like, I mean I get it but I dont have much of a visceral reaction left in me 10, 11 years after the fact.

VegemiteGrrl, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:18 (fourteen years ago)

I can't opine until I've heard Ja Rule's take on the matter

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:20 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qdvM6bgFUQ&feature=player_embedded

Cunga, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:21 (fourteen years ago)

AMERICAAAAAAAAA YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 05:22 (fourteen years ago)

lol at the people in the crowd goin "WHAT WHA WHAT?"

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:22 (fourteen years ago)

all these college kids in DC celebrating because this is the end of my generation's "childhood nightmare".

with this behind us maybe we can all hear the Strokes' comeback album, or watch the latest Fast and Furious movie w/ Vin Diesel, without 2001 hanging on our necks.

Cunga, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:23 (fourteen years ago)

OK, so this is the end of the 2000s and the start of the 2010s tonight.

more horses after the main event (Eazy), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:24 (fourteen years ago)

i've been watching msnbc tonight, can someone enlighten me/give me a first hand account of jon king supposedly being drunk on air

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 05:25 (fourteen years ago)

Geez its not like this is V day or something. Ugh.

Concubine Tree (Trayce), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:27 (fourteen years ago)

Was thT the CNN guy? His iPhone started ringing and vibrating while he was on screen! He also kept referring to Osama as the "mastermind" after forgetting who Khalid Shaikh Mohammed is, apparently.

mh, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:28 (fourteen years ago)

someone wanna don a sailor's outfit and neck a passing gal in Times Square?

VegemiteGrrl, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:29 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tufOjtHWx_Y

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:30 (fourteen years ago)

I am completely divided atm between telling ilx

A) how despite my general cynicism etc I have to be honest abr my feelings here ie this is an emotional moment

B) going politico and enjoying the idea of pawlenty pissing himself and trying to gracefully resign from the pres run

C) loving the fact that in all the wave o news I am still able to watch "major Payne" on tbs

The Band Perry is the drummer for Gay Dad (jjjusten), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:30 (fourteen years ago)

Sorry that video of that video is crap.

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:31 (fourteen years ago)

i cant lie that cena video made me freakin pumped

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:33 (fourteen years ago)

I guess I'm feeling like they just killed John Hinkley or something. Like, "Oh. So that's still a thing? Okay. Anyway..."

Like, I mean I get it but I dont have much of a visceral reaction left in me 10, 11 years after the fact.

News like this depresses me because it makes me realize that there's a blur between "major news stories of the era" and internet memes that everyone's sick of within a few hours.

Cunga, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:33 (fourteen years ago)

He's clearly sloshed, though, yeah.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:34 (fourteen years ago)

i cant lie that cena video made me freakin pumped

It was working for me up until he said the "DAMN PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN" shit, like what I want to be known for is hunting down and killing people (even guilty people).

Can't derive any joy from Bin Laden's death. All my joy is coming from the hoopla surrounding it.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:36 (fourteen years ago)

OH NO THIS GIRL GETTING INTERVIEWED ON MSNBC NOOOOOOOOO SOMEONE SAVE HERRRRRRRRRRR

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 05:36 (fourteen years ago)

talking head on bbc just called america and pakistan "frenemies"

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:36 (fourteen years ago)

Surprisingly apt.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:38 (fourteen years ago)

ten years is a pretty long time

yet only fairly recently has there actually been any sign of progress at ground zero

i do not necessarily support the idea that the towers should be replaced by . . . whatever, but i do think it's indicative of our situation that it takes a decade to even do anything

mookieproof, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:39 (fourteen years ago)

just chill man, it's cool, we don't have to get everything done overnight

#slowyourroll

That Dunkster! (absolutely clean glasses), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:40 (fourteen years ago)

This is clearly why the new royal couple postponed their honeymoon, right? The US probably didn't lay it out for them, but probably urged them not to travel abroad.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:41 (fourteen years ago)

BTW, since people aren't used to using their names in the same sentence literally all the time, if you mix up Obama and Osama over the next two weeks you get a pass (the first few times).

Cunga, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:41 (fourteen years ago)

This is clearly why the new royal couple postponed their honeymoon, right?

They're planning on releasing a Royal Honeymoon Sex Tape to steal the headlines back.

Cunga, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:42 (fourteen years ago)

http://browse.deviantart.com/literature/poetry/?qh§ion&q=Osama+bin+laden

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:42 (fourteen years ago)

anyone else wanna spam firstper✧✧✧@ms✧✧✧.c✧✧ w/ gay porn

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 05:42 (fourteen years ago)

lol -- firstperson @ msnbc . com

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 05:42 (fourteen years ago)

They're planning on releasing a Royal Honeymoon Sex Tape to steal the headlines back.

Would watch.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:43 (fourteen years ago)

Dude, ew.

Concubine Tree (Trayce), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:44 (fourteen years ago)

Breaking: Taliban claim responsibility in death of Osama Bin Laden

Can you keep up? (Cheetah), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:44 (fourteen years ago)

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Concubine Tree (Trayce), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:45 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKFvlhhvctM lmao

That Dunkster! (absolutely clean glasses), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:45 (fourteen years ago)

I guess I feel sort of numbed to the "symbols" of 9/11 because they were overused to the point of mania...like Bin Laden has been the boogeyman for so long, so fucking long, pre-towers even that this, him being killed, feels like it is happening in a vaccuum. It becomes Obama's political gain bc we are too far from 9/11 for it to belong to those people who died, or the workers and civillians who are sick and trying to get compensation...it feels like it's all upside down.

I didnt mean to sound glib upthread. Still trying to say it right.

VegemiteGrrl, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:45 (fourteen years ago)

this dude's crew killed a friend of mine in afghanistan, so good riddance (to quote shakey.) not exactly "happy" but satisfied i guess.

omar little, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:46 (fourteen years ago)

Everyone take care this week, in case there are any "in case of death, break glass" orders out there.

more horses after the main event (Eazy), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:48 (fourteen years ago)

pelosi! xp

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:49 (fourteen years ago)

I try in almost all cases to be anti-death and anti-war but really, if anyone in the world deserved a bullet in the head

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:49 (fourteen years ago)

death T/S Falwell vs. Obama

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:50 (fourteen years ago)

OOPS

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:50 (fourteen years ago)

Yeah, I have no qualms celebrating when evil people die.

boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:50 (fourteen years ago)

god how did he get elected

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:50 (fourteen years ago)

brian williams and msnbc correspondent like, can't believe the news was kept quiet, 'amazing that nobody texted anybody OMG OBL!'

daria-g, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:51 (fourteen years ago)

man on the street interviews are the best right now

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 05:51 (fourteen years ago)

I wonder how many people knew, and what it was like carrying that info around for months.

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:51 (fourteen years ago)

I try in almost all cases to be anti-death and anti-war but really, if anyone in the world deserved a bullet in the head

YES this is my position exactly.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:52 (fourteen years ago)

haha ilx liveblogging of msnbc getting to hawaii faster than msnbc apparently

gr8080, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:52 (fourteen years ago)

this whole thing threw me out of whack, cuz I'm borderline socialist, anti-death penalty, and pacifist as you are a hoy hoy, and I also was very WHO GIVES A SHIT when Saddam was captured (though I opposed that war anyway)...but I do feel satisfied at this.

like I mean, there's a very long list of people that I'd either be happy or ambivalent about if they were killed, and he was most definitely on it.

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:52 (fourteen years ago)

NRO has osama corpse pictures up already, which seems about right.

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:53 (fourteen years ago)

Decapitation has already repurposed them for their next album cover

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:54 (fourteen years ago)

"it has been almost ten years since the twin towers came down and now bin laden...is down." thanks, wolf.

omar little, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:55 (fourteen years ago)

Wolf Blitzer arguably the worst person in "news". Even worse than a drunk Jon King.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:56 (fourteen years ago)

BBC Talking Head #124 says he has a picture of Dead Osama on his phone, think he is just BRAGGIN' 2011 about owning a smartphone.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:56 (fourteen years ago)

i'm sorry you lost your friend, omar little.

estela, Monday, 2 May 2011 05:56 (fourteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/ljTpT.jpg

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 05:59 (fourteen years ago)

feel like there's something I'm supposed to say on these kinds of threads

― no slouch of a snipster (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, May 2, 2011 1:09 AM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark

lol

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Monday, 2 May 2011 05:59 (fourteen years ago)

msnbc is really a garbage network, but more pronounced on the weekends with their "docs".

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 06:00 (fourteen years ago)

NRO has osama corpse pictures up already, which seems about right.

― Matt Armstrong, Monday, May 2, 2011 1:53 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

link?

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 06:00 (fourteen years ago)

ApocalypseHow Rob Kutner
FOXNEWS REPORTS: Obama Administration Kills Homeless Religious Man with Kidney Disease

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Monday, 2 May 2011 06:01 (fourteen years ago)

thanks estela

omar little, Monday, 2 May 2011 06:01 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/266155/alleged-picture-dead-bin-laden-daniel-foster

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 2 May 2011 06:02 (fourteen years ago)

alright yeah

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 06:03 (fourteen years ago)

pakistani tv showing a building, supposedly the one he was hiding in, in flames.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 06:04 (fourteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/RfKHS.jpg

gr8080, Monday, 2 May 2011 06:05 (fourteen years ago)

yep, that's the internet in one screengrab.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 06:07 (fourteen years ago)

I'm sad there aren't better histories of Delta and DEVGRU/SEAL Team Six out there. There's Inside Delta Force and one about the hunt for Bin Laden in Tora Bora, pieces in Black Hawk Down, but for the most part there's very little legit literature on them. (Not surprising, of course.)

boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 2 May 2011 06:08 (fourteen years ago)

no lolcats, no credibility

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 06:08 (fourteen years ago)

did you guys catch the 6 or 7 person "crowd" outside Bush's house in Dallas? Wonder how long they hung around.

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 2 May 2011 06:11 (fourteen years ago)

Supposedly this is a screenshot from just after Seth Meyer's joke about Osama's location last night:

http://i.imgur.com/xTvv8.jpg

boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 2 May 2011 06:11 (fourteen years ago)

that looks exactly like his reaction to most of the jokes

That Dunkster! (absolutely clean glasses), Monday, 2 May 2011 06:13 (fourteen years ago)

UPDATE II: It now seems all but certain that this photo is a fake.

bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 2 May 2011 06:14 (fourteen years ago)

Looked sketchy.

more horses after the main event (Eazy), Monday, 2 May 2011 06:16 (fourteen years ago)

ya it did

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 06:17 (fourteen years ago)

nah he totally laughs like that

That Dunkster! (absolutely clean glasses), Monday, 2 May 2011 06:18 (fourteen years ago)

it is kinda funny to me that for 10 years everyone has been making cave jokes & dude was out living in a massive mansion

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 06:18 (fourteen years ago)

so.. now what? we out of afghanistan?

loool geraldo reporting live outside the white house surrounded by college students

i wandered around the WH myself a while earlier. crowded like election night. dudes climbing the lampposts outside the gates (which are like 20 ft+ tall?) to hang american flags

daria-g, Monday, 2 May 2011 06:19 (fourteen years ago)

it is kinda funny to me that for 10 years everyone has been making cave jokes & dude was out living in a massive mansion

― J0rdan S., Monday, May 2, 2011 2:18 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Jeff Dunham furiously updating his act

bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 2 May 2011 06:20 (fourteen years ago)

Possible to be relieved he's dead without chanting USA like your team won the big game!

You Get Hoynes (bnw), Monday, 2 May 2011 06:21 (fourteen years ago)

would have loved if Obama could have announced this during his WHCD speech and sent everyone in the room scrambling to report

I DIED, Monday, 2 May 2011 06:21 (fourteen years ago)

Possible to be relieved he's dead without chanting USA like your team won the big game!

That's unamerican, tbh.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 06:22 (fourteen years ago)

j/k

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 06:22 (fourteen years ago)

Possible to be relieved he's dead without chanting USA like your team won the big game!

― You Get Hoynes (bnw), Monday, May 2, 2011 2:21 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

We finally won the big game after nine years of overtime

bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 2 May 2011 06:23 (fourteen years ago)

Obama's pretty much had the perfect weekend.

more horses after the main event (Eazy), Monday, 2 May 2011 06:24 (fourteen years ago)

I can't remember who said it on twitter now (it was a couple hours ago), but someone was talking about how the GOPers would eventually complain about the Obama administration not observing Islamic tradition re: Osama's remains.

Flip to FOX just now...it's what they're talking about! Apparently the body will be buried by 4pm local time tomorrow.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 06:25 (fourteen years ago)

Twitter, so grain of salt:
"Compound Osama found in had been BUILT FOR HIM AND HIS FAMILY at cost of over $1 million. No tv, phone, or internet. He lived there for 5yrs"

more horses after the main event (Eazy), Monday, 2 May 2011 06:26 (fourteen years ago)

Good news to wake up to.

Marco Damiani, Monday, 2 May 2011 06:31 (fourteen years ago)

it is kinda funny to me that for 10 years everyone has been making cave jokes & dude was out living in a massive mansion

So he's the opposite of some famous Hollywood actors.

Cunga, Monday, 2 May 2011 06:33 (fourteen years ago)

FOX (so take that as you will) saying Seals offered safe surrender—Bin Laden turned it down—used someone as a human shield before finally being shot.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 06:35 (fourteen years ago)

(That sounds like State Dept propaganda imo)

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 06:35 (fourteen years ago)

http://img600.imageshack.us/i/screenshot20110502at231.png/
http://img705.imageshack.us/i/screenshot20110502at236.png/

bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 2 May 2011 06:37 (fourteen years ago)

lilyroseallen
I know that Osama Bin Laden is dead, but if we could all stop for a minute to consider todays REAL news I'd very much appreciate it.

lilyroseallen
It is my birthday, I am 26.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 06:46 (fourteen years ago)

<3 Lily Allen u guys

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 06:47 (fourteen years ago)

osama's last word was "wiggywoo?"

velko, Monday, 2 May 2011 06:48 (fourteen years ago)

Well, the Fox machine is already working. Caller said POTUS claimed in his speech that this "effectively ends the war on terror". Um, didn't he go out of his way to NOT say that?

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 May 2011 06:50 (fourteen years ago)

one of the worst characteristics in the media is being let out again tonight in how many times ppl on TV are expressing shock & amazement that this plan never leaked out -- "how come we didn't find out!? isn't this crazy everyone!? how could we not know!?"

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 06:53 (fourteen years ago)

How US Tracked Couriers to Elaborate bin Laden Compound

more horses after the main event (Eazy), Monday, 2 May 2011 07:00 (fourteen years ago)

http://thedailywh.at/2011/05/01/how-about-that-of-the-day-11/

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Monday, 2 May 2011 07:02 (fourteen years ago)

Why are people already parroting "this took place a week ago" - ive seen a few ppl say that now, wheres that come from?

Concubine Tree (Trayce), Monday, 2 May 2011 07:05 (fourteen years ago)

So what does this 'World wide travel alert' mean that has been issued? Is it just a precautionary measure, or?

RIP Brodie, aspiring bellhop boy, 4 months old (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 2 May 2011 07:13 (fourteen years ago)

probably because of the fake(?) picture of the corpse? allegedly the father of a marine obtained the picture a week ago from his son. xpost

Roz, Monday, 2 May 2011 07:14 (fourteen years ago)

cnn.com is saying that he's already been "buried at sea"

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 07:15 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY

bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 2 May 2011 07:16 (fourteen years ago)

^^^no one can make a pilgrimage

xpost

gr8080, Monday, 2 May 2011 07:16 (fourteen years ago)

yep

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 07:19 (fourteen years ago)

wow luke russert is seriously just the worst

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 07:19 (fourteen years ago)

idg that cartoon drawing of bin laden that everybodys been posting, what's that about

br8080 (dayo), Monday, 2 May 2011 07:20 (fourteen years ago)

i keep singing wiggywoo to the tune of the Pazant Bros song sampled in Main Source's "Lookin At The Front Door"

WIGGY WOOO WOOO WOOOOOOO

bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 2 May 2011 07:20 (fourteen years ago)

idg that cartoon drawing of bin laden that everybodys been posting, what's that about

― br8080 (dayo), Monday, May 2, 2011 3:20 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

iirc it was something drawn by a crazy right wing cartoonist & has been a modest ilx meme throughout the years

also it's a hilarious image

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 07:22 (fourteen years ago)

cnn is talking about tweets

markers, Monday, 2 May 2011 07:23 (fourteen years ago)

ny post headline is ROT IN HELL!

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 07:23 (fourteen years ago)

oh lol I should read that right wing cartoon thread xp to js

br8080 (dayo), Monday, 2 May 2011 07:23 (fourteen years ago)

dayo THUMBS UP

gr8080, Monday, 2 May 2011 07:25 (fourteen years ago)

still my favorite thing posted on this thread:
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkjuogbd0b1qz9bwro1_500.jpg

gr8080, Monday, 2 May 2011 07:33 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr9BPGXjrT0

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Monday, 2 May 2011 07:34 (fourteen years ago)

Thumbs Up Bin Laden might be our most lasting contribution to society.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Monday, 2 May 2011 07:34 (fourteen years ago)

clarification that the ROT IN HELL! headline is actually the daily news

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 07:49 (fourteen years ago)

Just woke up. Did I miss something?

a modest broposal (suzy), Monday, 2 May 2011 07:50 (fourteen years ago)

In the Pakistani capital, Islamabad, one western diplomat described the news as a "game changer" – not just for al-Qaida, but also for US foreign policy in Pakistan and Afghanistan, a region embroiled in turmoil and violence since 2001.

"I'm overjoyed," said the diplomat. "But what this exactly means is really not clear."

nultybutnice (whatever), Monday, 2 May 2011 08:06 (fourteen years ago)

455 new answers - bin laden more popular than brodie shock!

StanM, Monday, 2 May 2011 08:14 (fourteen years ago)

osama bro laden

br8080 (dayo), Monday, 2 May 2011 08:16 (fourteen years ago)

Who knows what sorts of disinformation will continue to spread and how many people will eat it whole

― but I want a bongo drum (CaptainLorax), Monday, May 2, 2011 4:03 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Monday, 2 May 2011 08:23 (fourteen years ago)

lol

bell hops (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 May 2011 08:29 (fourteen years ago)

rip big man

ice cr?m, Monday, 2 May 2011 08:33 (fourteen years ago)

i know j0rdan thread-policed fbook posts but:

J***** D*****
Bin Laden BEEN DEAD! They needed something to pull Obama out the slumps of extremely low approval, sinking economy, the coming inflation (get ready people!), and the unpopular warS we are engaged in and get him ready for re-election.
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J***** D***** Just watch how they play this one. How did they order and kill today and have a DNA match all in a couple hours? DNA tests take 5-10 days, 72hrs if expedited. Look it up! Show me the photos, an indie 3rd party DNA test and indie forensic exam proving time, place and cause of death.
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J***** P***** and they "buried him at sea" before anyone can actually see him?!?
about an hour ago · Like

gr8080, Monday, 2 May 2011 08:49 (fourteen years ago)

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkjxpdptWB1qzna4vo1_500.jpg

gr8080, Monday, 2 May 2011 08:51 (fourteen years ago)

i am sort of bummed that we weren't invited to rend, bathe in and eventually consume his body in some kind of orgiastic public ritual. obama admin always always kind of missing the point.

normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 2 May 2011 08:52 (fourteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/ClGmA.png

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 08:57 (fourteen years ago)

i knew that liking David Faustino on fb would pay off one day

http://i.imgur.com/bsAmv.jpg

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 09:00 (fourteen years ago)

I thought they'd cut his head off and drag his body around Manhattan behind a horse and cart?

not_goodwin, Monday, 2 May 2011 09:04 (fourteen years ago)

http://eu.techcrunch.com/2011/05/02/heres-the-guy-who-unwittingly-live-tweeted-the-raid-on-bin-laden/

Romford Spring (DG), Monday, 2 May 2011 09:08 (fourteen years ago)

seems like a good guy tbh, he isn't flogging his own t-shirt or anything

Ismael Klata, Monday, 2 May 2011 09:12 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/02/3205548.htm

Clayton McCleskey, a journalist with The Dallas Morning News, was outside the White House shortly before Mr Obama began his announcement and says the crowd grew quickly but organically, fuelled by social media.

"There are a couple of universities that are pretty close to the White House and so it appeared that initially it was mostly students," he told ABC News Online.

"It was a very young crowd. There were a few maybe 30- or 40-somethings but a lot of 20-year-olds.

"Everybody had their phones out. Everybody was on Facebook. Everybody was texting. I heard a lot of people on their phones saying 'hey, come meet me'."

McCleskey says his immediate reaction upon seeing the crowd - which he estimated at 2,000 - was "oh gosh, this is horrible. This is just like a drunken soccer party".

"There were people who had taken out bottles of vodka and were drinking in the streets and were running around with American flags," he said.

Concubine Tree (Trayce), Monday, 2 May 2011 09:27 (fourteen years ago)

think this was mentioned already but
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkjveovdg01qz7by3o1_500.jpg

gr8080, Monday, 2 May 2011 09:36 (fourteen years ago)

no phone, no internet, no tv. fun times at abbottabad high.

nultybutnice (whatever), Monday, 2 May 2011 09:43 (fourteen years ago)

so... about this hidden nuke

(。◕‿◕。) (cozen), Monday, 2 May 2011 09:46 (fourteen years ago)

osama been laid down to rest

ur reading from a season in hell but u don't know what it's abt (missingNO), Monday, 2 May 2011 09:56 (fourteen years ago)

These false online personas, also known as "sock puppets,"

Romford Spring (DG), Monday, 2 May 2011 10:06 (fourteen years ago)

455 new answers - bin laden more popular than brodie shock!

brodie hasn't been on since yesterday so

it always seems to have dick smith in it (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 2 May 2011 10:18 (fourteen years ago)

suppose the pentagon is behind this too

http://twitter.com/#!/search/Megatron

Romford Spring (DG), Monday, 2 May 2011 10:19 (fourteen years ago)

I bet he regrets signing up for that PSN account now

(。◕‿◕。) (cozen), Monday, 2 May 2011 11:11 (fourteen years ago)

lol

br8080 (dayo), Monday, 2 May 2011 11:19 (fourteen years ago)

This is such a lie.

tending tropics (jim in glasgow), Monday, 2 May 2011 11:19 (fourteen years ago)

it begins.

gr8080, Monday, 2 May 2011 11:22 (fourteen years ago)

Who knows what sorts of disinformation will continue to spread and how many people will eat it whole
― but I want a bongo drum (CaptainLorax), Monday, May 2, 2011 4:03 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

― lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Monday, May 2, 2011 4:23 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

br8080 (dayo), Monday, 2 May 2011 11:22 (fourteen years ago)

www.isosamareallydeadyet.com

bell hops (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 May 2011 11:26 (fourteen years ago)

Are they going to stuff him and mount him like a grizzly and set him up in the White House foyer?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 May 2011 11:31 (fourteen years ago)

Nah he's already been eaten by zionist sharks.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 11:32 (fourteen years ago)

Giggling WNYC correspondent reported that revelers in Times Square were telling her "the war is over."

Unlimited idiocy.

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 May 2011 11:33 (fourteen years ago)

Well, the war on Bin Laden is pretty much over.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 May 2011 11:34 (fourteen years ago)

What's with the buried at sea thing, btw? Is that a euphemism for ignominiously dumping the body in the ocean?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 May 2011 11:36 (fourteen years ago)

And who gets the reward?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 May 2011 11:37 (fourteen years ago)

Good morning! What happened last night?

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 11:37 (fourteen years ago)

Bin Laden blowin' up.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 May 2011 11:37 (fourteen years ago)

Interesting:

After bin Laden was killed in a raid by U.S. forces in Pakistan, senior administration officials said the body would be handled according to Islamic practice and tradition. That practice calls for the body to be buried within 24 hours, the official said. Finding a country willing to accept the remains of the world's most wanted terrorist would have been difficult, the official said. So the U.S. decided to bury him at sea.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 May 2011 11:45 (fourteen years ago)

^^^no one can make a pilgrimage

― gr8080, Sunday, May 1, 2011 9:16 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

gr8080, Monday, 2 May 2011 11:47 (fourteen years ago)

^^^ Same thing happened to Eichmann.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 11:47 (fourteen years ago)

They 'offered' the body to Saudi Arabia, but that country refused iirc

RIP Brodie, aspiring bellhop boy, 4 months old (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 2 May 2011 11:48 (fourteen years ago)

Who knows what sorts of disinformation will continue to spread and how many people will eat it whole
― but I want a bongo drum (CaptanLorax), Monday, May 2, 2011 4:03 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark
― lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Monday, May 2, 2011 4:23 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
― br8080 (dayo)

the disinformation I was referring to has nothing to do with whether or not he is dead

but I want a bongo drum (CaptainLorax), Monday, 2 May 2011 11:49 (fourteen years ago)

While that has a morbid logic, I gotta say this whole situation is decidedly weird.

Concubine Tree (Trayce), Monday, 2 May 2011 11:49 (fourteen years ago)

Uh the burial thing not lorax and his technicolour nutcasecoat.

Concubine Tree (Trayce), Monday, 2 May 2011 11:50 (fourteen years ago)

suck it Trayce

but I want a bongo drum (CaptainLorax), Monday, 2 May 2011 11:51 (fourteen years ago)

lol xp

RIP Brodie, aspiring bellhop boy, 4 months old (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 2 May 2011 11:51 (fourteen years ago)

i have an uneasy feeling that the "Osama's not dead" furor is gonna be like the birther controversy x1000

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 2 May 2011 11:54 (fourteen years ago)

no -- birther stuff was sort of unprecedented

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 11:57 (fourteen years ago)

"deathers"

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 11:57 (fourteen years ago)

^^

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 11:57 (fourteen years ago)

can we get a "if there's a rock and roll heaven" .jpg w/john bonham on drums, hendrix on guitar, entwistle on bass, jim morrison on tambourine & vox and bin laden with a kaos pad at a table between the drumkit & the amp stacks? thx

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 11:59 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/05/bin-laden-dead-why-didnt-we-get-him.html

but I want a bongo drum (CaptainLorax), Monday, 2 May 2011 12:00 (fourteen years ago)

"washington's blog" is such a great name for a blog

br8080 (dayo), Monday, 2 May 2011 12:05 (fourteen years ago)

And just like in Transformers, it turns out bin Laden was a fucking robot.

James Mitchell, Monday, 2 May 2011 12:08 (fourteen years ago)

bin Laden was always my least favourite Muppet

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 2 May 2011 12:09 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9zC4l8mKNk

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 2 May 2011 12:10 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.xomba.com/true_story_how_osama_bin_laden_became_arsenal_soccer_fan

huh, up and down day for the lad was yesterday.

Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Monday, 2 May 2011 12:16 (fourteen years ago)

Entwhistle on bass is crazy

Ismael Klata, Monday, 2 May 2011 12:19 (fourteen years ago)

should be McCartney obv

Ismael Klata, Monday, 2 May 2011 12:20 (fourteen years ago)

you can't have people who are still alive in a rock and roll heaven .jpg, man, come on, show some respect

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 12:23 (fourteen years ago)

think Ismael is engaging in some sly wishful thinking

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 2 May 2011 12:25 (fourteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_is_dead

Romford Spring (DG), Monday, 2 May 2011 12:25 (fourteen years ago)

o yeah duh, I used to have Abbey Road, I knew he was wearing no shoes on the cover...

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 2 May 2011 12:27 (fourteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/KDssc.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 May 2011 12:37 (fourteen years ago)

US news agencies saying that Osama is dead.

lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Monday, 2 May 2011 12:38 (fourteen years ago)

osama goes out in a mansion shootout, scarface style. is now smashing tons of virgin klunge
ultimatevillianLAD

http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Monday, 2 May 2011 12:44 (fourteen years ago)

is anybody else shocked that it turned out he was alive in the first place? thought the consensus was that he'd probably died of kidney failure years ago anyway.

http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Monday, 2 May 2011 12:47 (fourteen years ago)

Was that the consensus? Really? Tbh, the way they found him alive and well, not in a cave but in a house with facilities etc doesn't seem that surprising.

RIP Brodie, aspiring bellhop boy, 4 months old (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 2 May 2011 12:50 (fourteen years ago)

how old was he?

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 12:55 (fourteen years ago)

He was legal.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 12:56 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-HdUZsWpHQ&feature=player_embedded

emil.y, Monday, 2 May 2011 12:56 (fourteen years ago)

I randomly googled 'Osama Bin Laden' before I went to bed last night, just to see if they were any closer to finding him. I wake up this morning and he's dead. Biggest WTF moment ever.

territory of the magic wand (Chris), Monday, 2 May 2011 12:56 (fourteen years ago)

plate of shrimp

br8080 (dayo), Monday, 2 May 2011 12:56 (fourteen years ago)

seemed like most of the educated guesses were in that direction. living in a remote mountainous area on dialysis, doubts over the authenticity of later tapes, etc...

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/11/opinion/the-death-of-bin-ladenism.html

xposts

http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Monday, 2 May 2011 12:57 (fourteen years ago)

Well, that was 2002, but point take. I don't know, personally I'm not at all surprised that he had relatively quite good conditions and medical aid probably. The man had made some friends for life, surely.

RIP Brodie, aspiring bellhop boy, 4 months old (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 2 May 2011 13:02 (fourteen years ago)

that fox news guy's moustache is the real story

gainfully trˆᴥˆlled (blueski), Monday, 2 May 2011 13:04 (fourteen years ago)

I think it's great that they got him, but it's gonna be hard to forget Geraldo's breaking news report on this in which he started laughing hysterically, could not form a single coherant sentence, and referred to Osama as "Obama" a couple times; I've never seen a guy get a bigger newsboner

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 13:06 (fourteen years ago)

I bored some friends at length on bin Laden's likely death one evening back in 2004, next morning I wake up and he'd issued the tape condemning Bush & Kerry

Ismael Klata, Monday, 2 May 2011 13:10 (fourteen years ago)

Ugh. Roy Edroso on the rightbloggers.

SteakNique (®2011 Ulillillia) (Phil D.), Monday, 2 May 2011 13:14 (fourteen years ago)

i had my doubts abt his health after the videos stopped coming, i mean he can organise 9/11 but not get anyone to pop down to the karachi branch of dixons for a new camcorder?

Romford Spring (DG), Monday, 2 May 2011 13:14 (fourteen years ago)

Matos tipped me off to this, from Jason King:

The craziest moment of a crazy night comes from Nicki Minaj. RT @harryallen: RT @NlCKIMllNAJ: Obama found Bin Laden! Now what would be challenging is Finding a @LilKim song on the radio. #MissionImpossible

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 13:19 (fourteen years ago)

she's right you know

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 13:19 (fourteen years ago)

daaaaamn nicki

br8080 (dayo), Monday, 2 May 2011 13:21 (fourteen years ago)

xp yeah this is pretty much gonna bring out the worst of the internet, I've already started purging fb friends over this, people are already posting shit like "guess what america? the world is going to be the same tomorrow as it was today" and "well we spent billions of dollars, but we got the guy with the funny name. congrats america"

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 13:22 (fourteen years ago)

I keep seeing people snickering about Fox News' spelling of "Usama". They've been spelling it that way for years, though. I don't know why.

President Keyes, Monday, 2 May 2011 13:26 (fourteen years ago)

probably to keep their fat-fingered interns from typing "Obama" by mistake

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 13:27 (fourteen years ago)

tbh I remember it spelled "Usama" when I first heard the name in the Clinton years.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 13:27 (fourteen years ago)

Usama (D)

my cock could have convicted Manson (brownie), Monday, 2 May 2011 13:28 (fourteen years ago)

lol

estela, Monday, 2 May 2011 13:28 (fourteen years ago)

USA is a MONSTA

br8080 (dayo), Monday, 2 May 2011 13:30 (fourteen years ago)

the preference for "usama" over "osama" seems to be a pretty consistently right-wing thing--i remember seeing it a lot in reference to the meme that ollie north had warned clinton about bin laden (& therefore 9/11 is clinton's fault)

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 13:32 (fourteen years ago)

so this is proof that if you build a house with massive security walls, gates, and no phone/internet access anywhere in the world, it will eventually raise suspicion.

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 13:33 (fourteen years ago)

Usama (D)

*dying*

confederate terror anchor babies (will), Monday, 2 May 2011 13:33 (fourteen years ago)

you'd have to think it has something to do with our current president's last name

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 13:34 (fourteen years ago)

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/obl050211/s_b13_RTR2LVRD.jpg

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 13:35 (fourteen years ago)

No, they were spelling it that way on 9/11/01

President Keyes, Monday, 2 May 2011 13:35 (fourteen years ago)

any reaction from Reagan yet?

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 13:36 (fourteen years ago)

wikipedia sez "Most American government agencies, including the FBI and CIA, use either "Usama bin Laden" or "Usama bin Ladin" [...] The spelling with "o" and "e" [in bin Laden] comes from a Persian-influenced pronunciation used in Afghanistan where he lived for a long time."

anatol_merklich, Monday, 2 May 2011 13:36 (fourteen years ago)

xxp i don't remember that, I thought until recently it always had an "O"

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 13:37 (fourteen years ago)

LOL at the idea it was spelled that way to avoid confusion. "Oh, Usama? I thought you said Osama! My bad. We let Usama go."

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 May 2011 13:46 (fourteen years ago)

ummmm the media has a history of doing things like that

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 13:52 (fourteen years ago)

"one man was holding up a t-shirt that said, Thank You President Bush."

Misread this as Osama:
"One man was holed up in a t-shir that said, Thank You President Bush."

more horses after the main event (Eazy), Monday, 2 May 2011 13:53 (fourteen years ago)

also proof that no one, given the resources, wants to spend 10 years living in caves

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 13:57 (fourteen years ago)

ya, even hardcore terrorists love suburban sprawl

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 13:58 (fourteen years ago)

ESPECIALLY hardcore terrorists amirite?

SteakNique (®2011 Ulillillia) (Phil D.), Monday, 2 May 2011 13:59 (fourteen years ago)

There was fringey but perceptible speculation on "Was That Hitler's Body?" well into the '70s, so this is more than made to order for plenty o' that.

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 May 2011 13:59 (fourteen years ago)

They hate us for our suburbs.

the wages of sin is about tree fiddy (WmC), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:00 (fourteen years ago)

These frigging people.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aQ-haRKUDZ8/Tb4sCOZ6ZnI/AAAAAAAAHjo/-uQkHFbMRXg/s400/Screen%2Bshot%2B2011-05-01%2Bat%2B10.58.40%2BPM.png

SteakNique (®2011 Ulillillia) (Phil D.), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:01 (fourteen years ago)

Would make sense if they'd hate you for

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SvsaNpaytxU/TFd37a9DKlI/AAAAAAAAI2Y/qtP_uB-aEuk/s1600/Arcade-Fire-The-Suburbs.png

xp

RIP Brodie, aspiring bellhop boy, 4 months old (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:01 (fourteen years ago)

tbh the he was 'living in a dope secret mansion' aspect made me happier about this than I'd otherwise be...if we just threw a grenade in his cave or whatever it would be more 'eh whatever'

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 14:02 (fourteen years ago)

Let's see, here are all former Pres. Bush's notable interactions vis a vis Osama bin Laden:

1. Failed to react to intelligence advisory regarding his wish to attack the US.
2. Failed to capture him in Afghanistan when it was remotely possible to do so.

THANKS, DUBYA!

SteakNique (®2011 Ulillillia) (Phil D.), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:02 (fourteen years ago)

yeah that whole thing is kind of sickening

Obama even credited Bush, and secondly why does it really matter which president ultimately "took him out"

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 14:03 (fourteen years ago)

it matters if the black Democrat did it

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:05 (fourteen years ago)

he was 'living in a dope secret mansion'

foresee the Michael Mann film

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:06 (fourteen years ago)

If Bush had taken out Osama, than Obama never would have caught him. So Bush gets the bizarro-world assist.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 May 2011 14:07 (fourteen years ago)

If Bush had taken out Osama, it would have been sometime in the 80s and it would have been to a steakhouse

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:08 (fourteen years ago)

haha

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 14:09 (fourteen years ago)

"do u liek baseball"

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 14:09 (fourteen years ago)

At least from now on the absurd right wing "Obama is soft on terror" meme can now be met with this news.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:09 (fourteen years ago)

and it wouldn't have been quite so teal and orange xp

gainfully trˆᴥˆlled (blueski), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:10 (fourteen years ago)

lol, terror is like the one thing Obama is unambiguously firm on

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:10 (fourteen years ago)

Well.

The President’s Speech
May 2, 2011 9:16 A.M.
By Mark Steyn

I know, I know, if you can’t blog anything real nice it’s better not to blog at all, that’s my advice. Nevertheless:

Personally, I would have liked bin Laden’s death to have been announced by whatever lowest-level official was manning the night desk at the Department of Nondescript Bureaucrats, preferably reading it off the back of an envelope. But, if you’re going to put the head of state on TV to announce it himself, it would have been better to have been all brisk and businesslike – “At 0800 hours American military assets entered an address at 27b Jihadist Gardens, etc” – and finish off with a bit of Churchillian sober uplift about it not being the end or the beginning of the end but maybe the end of the beginning.

Instead, as Stephen Hunter, the novelist and Washington Post film critic, writes:

Any joy one might feel in the intelligence of our analysts and the bravery of our door kickers was significantly diminished by Obama’s malignant narcissism. The first part of the announcement, evoking 9/11, was vulgarly overwritten as per Obama’s view of himself as some kind of gifted orator. The adjective bloated compote was unworthy of the subject, banal and self-indulgent.

I was, I confess, a little stunned by the first part of the President’s speech. It was, as Mr Hunter says, overwritten. It managed to be both overwrought and generic – all that telepromptered overload about cloudless Tuesday mornings was not only tackily over-prettified but came over as unfelt and hand-me-down, like a course exercise in some third-rate creative-writing school’s Soaring Oratory class. Or, at any rate, as if they’d loaded up a first draft of September’s tenth anniversary speech into the machine. The official announcement was delayed for all this? If ever there was a moment for the commander-in-chief to be real, plainspoken and off his glassy-eyed follow-the-bouncing-ball routine, this was it. It’s as if nobody around him knows how to write except in the one tinny key.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m happy to rally round the flag, and rally round the President, but rally round this speech? No thanks.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:11 (fourteen years ago)

I almost called the local Cuban right wing station to correct a geriatric who said this happened "in spite of" Obama's "elimination" of the military. I was going to remind her about Afghanistan and drone rockets but I think she died while talking to the talk show host, so I shut up.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:12 (fourteen years ago)

TELEPROMPTURD

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:13 (fourteen years ago)

heres the powerline blog steyn quotes:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/05/028948.php

with the very, uh, telling last line:

That said, God bless the commandos! Man, I would have like to have been on that entry team!

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:13 (fourteen years ago)

How does Obama know the area Osama was hiding in so well? Makes you think.

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:14 (fourteen years ago)

I would have like to have been on that entry team!

is that gay slash fic?

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:14 (fourteen years ago)

it is now

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:15 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten

Previous #11 not yet added to the list.

abbottabadass (onimo), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:19 (fourteen years ago)

i keep replying "Bin Laden IS dead" to this thread title, Linguo style

gainfully trˆᴥˆlled (blueski), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:21 (fourteen years ago)

he was 'living in a dope secret mansion'

foresee the Michael Mann film

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjE4OTMxMDQ2NV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwMDgxMTQ3._V1._SX485_SY323_.jpg

more horses after the main event (Eazy), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:22 (fourteen years ago)

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth saying US strike force shot into empty house, buried marionette at sea

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:34 (fourteen years ago)

Any joy one might feel in the intelligence of our analysts and the bravery of our door kickers was significantly diminished by Obama’s malignant narcissism.

Sure he prefers the modesty of the former White House occupant.

http://schizoamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/bush_hero_flight_suit.jpg

President Keyes, Monday, 2 May 2011 14:35 (fourteen years ago)

my wife went to bed before the news broke last night. i seriously had a debate with myself about whether to do something in the morning like go "so you know who died last night? Obama! [wait a few seconds for her to react, ask questions] ohhhh no wait sorry I mean Osama, Osama Bin Laden is the one that died."

couldn't go through with it, though.

Osama Wig Wooden (some dude), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:39 (fourteen years ago)

Clearly you value your life.

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:40 (fourteen years ago)

Countdown to the cries of "THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF NOT FOR WATERBOARDING" begin now.

SteakNique (®2011 Ulillillia) (Phil D.), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:40 (fourteen years ago)

I suggest we replace waterboarding with boogieboarding

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:41 (fourteen years ago)

ha Yeah, they're already crediting the intelligence they got from Gitmo prisoners

President Keyes, Monday, 2 May 2011 14:42 (fourteen years ago)

these fuckin guys with their "the speech was overwritten" constant ad-hom shit

graceless, racist, juvenile sons of bitches

h8 them h8 them h8 them all day

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:43 (fourteen years ago)

Graceless and juvenile, definitely. But how is it racist?

RIP Brodie, aspiring bellhop boy, 4 months old (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:48 (fourteen years ago)

Oh the sons of bitches you mean, n/m

RIP Brodie, aspiring bellhop boy, 4 months old (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:48 (fourteen years ago)

Stephen Hunter, the novelist and Washington Post film critic

Thankfully Hunter's prose re movies is not in the Washington Post much these days. Hunter's had his own share of embarrassing incidents that suggest his writing should not be given much credence.

Also, there's no evidence confirming that waterboarding of detainees is what got some of the intelligence

One courier in particular had our constant attention," the official said. He declined to give that courier's name but said he was a protégé of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and a "trusted assistant" of Abu Faraj al-Libbi, a former senior al Qaeda officer who was captured in 2005.

"Detainees also identified this man as one of the few couriers trusted by bin Laden," the official said. The U.S. intelligence community uncovered the identity of this courier four years ago, and two years ago, the U.S. discovered the area of Pakistan this courier and his brother were working in.

In August 2010, the intelligence agencies found the exact compound where this courier was living, in Abbottabad, Pakistan. The neighborhood is affluent and many retired Pakistani military officials live there.
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/05/01/the_timeline_of_the_mission_to_kill_osama_bin_laden

curmudgeon, Monday, 2 May 2011 14:53 (fourteen years ago)

two interesting things:

1) it seems like they waited good and long before deciding to attack this compound

2) it doesn't seem they were 100% sure they'd find OBL there

by another name (amateurist), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:54 (fourteen years ago)

or even 90% sure

by another name (amateurist), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:54 (fourteen years ago)

Great for Pakistan that OBL was basically caught in their iteration of West Point.

a modest broposal (suzy), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:56 (fourteen years ago)

2) it doesn't seem they were 100% sure they'd find OBL there

― by another name (amateurist), Monday, May 2, 2011 10:54 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah this is kinda troubling isnt it? not surprising tho. they sent a big ol helicopter to a mansion with no real intent of seizing their target alive. this couldve turned out way worse!

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:58 (fourteen years ago)

wasn't waterboarding off limits by 2005?

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:58 (fourteen years ago)

What will Pakistan's explanation be for how a compound right near their West Point somehow went under the radar?

curmudgeon, Monday, 2 May 2011 14:59 (fourteen years ago)

it really is "you are black; I will find fault with everything you do." I know that if you're black this is like an obvious daily reality but I'm naive and have this deep need to believe that people aren't as awful as they are, so when it's as obvious as it is in a time like the commander in chief of your country just got the guy you spent the last ten years making a big deal about getting & all you can do is "'he's reading from a teleprompter!' 'he's making it all about himself!' 'He didn't credit the white guy who failed for eight consecutive years, where's the credit for the white guy?'" fuckin...h8 h8 h8

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 14:59 (fourteen years ago)

i thought his speech was, you know, presidential. i've read that people like that sort of thing from their president.

scott seward, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:02 (fourteen years ago)

aerosmith once again otm...its the same old story, same old song and dance...

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:05 (fourteen years ago)

at least one conservative Facebook friend of mine posted "the jubilation is kind of sickening; we shouldn't really be rejoicing in someone's death regardless of how they've harmed us" and, in the ensuing conversation with her fellow conservatives, managed to get to "I'm not even convinced they got him, anyway; I'd feel a lot better if they'd shown us the body"

so it's bad form to say "yay he's dead" but a-ok to parade his body around in front of citizens? do you not see why that might not make much sense?

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:05 (fourteen years ago)

I don't think it's necessarily 'racist' I just think we're at the point w/ these people literally anything any democrat will do is gonna be 'wrong' - it'd be the same if this happened under any other democratic pres. at this point they'd find something wrong with him renaming monday 'reagan day'.

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:07 (fourteen years ago)

hahaha @ whoever wrote a "review" of the compound's location of google maps: "should have upgraded to orbital command"

tpp, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:08 (fourteen years ago)

there has got to be a way to criticize obama's speechmaking w/o being called a racist. maybe i'm missing the context.

xp xp i think this situation is bringing out a lot of confused/contradictory reactions because it seems so outside the ordinary--his crimes, the sheer length of the pursuit, etc. i'd give everyone a few days' reprieve from jumping on their statements about it.

by another name (amateurist), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:08 (fourteen years ago)

I don't think it's necessarily 'racist' I just think we're at the point w/ these people literally anything any democrat will do is gonna be 'wrong' - it'd be the same if this happened under any other democratic pres. at this point they'd find something wrong with him renaming monday 'reagan day'

True. I still think the vitriol pales beside what Clinton endured in the nineties.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:10 (fourteen years ago)

exactly

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:10 (fourteen years ago)

this makes sense:

The initial circumstantial evidence suggests the opposite is more likely—that bin Laden was effectively being housed under Pakistani state control. Pakistan will deny this, it seems safe to predict, and perhaps no convincing evidence will ever surface to prove the case. If I were a prosecutor at the United States Department of Justice, however, I would be tempted to call a grand jury. Who owned the land on which the house was constructed? How was the land acquired, and from whom? Who designed the house, which seems to have been purpose-built to secure bin Laden? Who was the general contractor? Who installed the security systems? Who worked there? Are there witnesses who will now testify as to who visited the house, how often, and for what purpose? These questions are not relevant only to the full realization of justice for the victims of September 11th. They are also relevant to the victims of terrorist attacks conducted or inspired by bin Laden while he lived in the house, and these include many Pakistanis as well as Afghans, Indians, Jordanians, and Britons. They are rightly subjects of American criminal law.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2011/05/notes-on-the-death-of-osama-bin-laden.html#ixzz1LCxz48VC

by another name (amateurist), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:11 (fourteen years ago)

I really just don’t spend that much time on him, to be honest with you.

George Bush quote that the Republican world has to rationalize

curmudgeon, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:11 (fourteen years ago)

There are some calling out libs for their reaction to Saddams capture but the two aren't even remotely comparable

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:12 (fourteen years ago)

2) it doesn't seem they were 100% sure they'd find OBL there

― by another name (amateurist), Monday, May 2, 2011 10:54 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah this is kinda troubling isnt it? not surprising tho. they sent a big ol helicopter to a mansion with no real intent of seizing their target alive. this couldve turned out way worse!

― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, May 2, 2011 10:58 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well i mean...he'd evaded them for 9 years so even if they had an idea he might be there i can see why they weren't totally sure. i'm guessing they at least knew there was some al qaeda guys in there if not the big cheese and that they weren't just storming in on some innocent bystanders.

Osama Wig Wooden (some dude), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:13 (fourteen years ago)

Partisan people are partisan. People spouted as much shit about GWB and Clinton. I'm sure lots of people are racist too but I don't think it's fair to stick that label on any conservative who criticises Obama, no matter how stupidly.

abbottabadass (onimo), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:13 (fourteen years ago)

It's racist. These are the kind of people who delude themselves through virtual micromanagement that they're superior to any black person and I would invite every single one of them to bend over and kiss Barack Obama's butt. But I was kind of inviting them to do that before this news.

a modest broposal (suzy), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:13 (fourteen years ago)

I still think the vitriol pales beside what Clinton endured in the nineties.

― My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, May 2, 2011 10:10 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

i was in HS at the time, but, really?

goole, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:14 (fourteen years ago)

also wrong to excuse racism as just partisanship, there are cases the other way too

You Get Hoynes (bnw), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:14 (fourteen years ago)

both this and Saddam's capture seem to buy into the Darth Vader/single-evil-lord paradigm. The beat goes on.

also plz kick Pakistan to the curb.

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:15 (fourteen years ago)

anyway, dare i say it, but steyn sorta otm! that speech was a little odd. obama's in the middle of a poetic retread of sept. 11 imagery and there's a weird gleam in his eye like he just wants to jump around and kick the podium over.

goole, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:15 (fourteen years ago)

No, Clinton abuse was mostly partisan with maybe a touch of classism thrown in.

a modest broposal (suzy), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:16 (fourteen years ago)

i was in HS at the time, but, really?

Oh yeah -- it only seems worse NOW cuz of the internets. But right wing radio and the Beltway press (our friend the late David Broder: "He trashed the place and it's not his place") hounded him for years over HRC's lesbianism, her involvement in Vince Foster's suicide, the ring of drug murders in Arkansas, the Travel Office files, Arkansas State Troops, etc.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:16 (fourteen years ago)

There are some calling out libs for their reaction to Saddams capture but the two aren't even remotely comparable

I have honestly forgotten what the liberal reaction to Saddam's capture was. And I'm a liberal! How did we react?

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:16 (fourteen years ago)

I didn't excuse racism. I don't see what's racist as opposed to partisan in criticising Obama's speech. There are conservative people who will criticise every speech he makes, just as there were with GWB who could do no right in liberal eyes.

xxxxp

abbottabadass (onimo), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:17 (fourteen years ago)

DJP-i'm surprised to see that handwringing from conservatives - I'd expect that more from my fellow bleeding heart liberals.

Ultimately partisan politics are getting mixed into a huge odd gumbo atm

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:17 (fourteen years ago)

The "poetic" flourishes were out of character, and apparently Obama wrote most of this speech himself. When he's on, he's closer to Lincoln than Jefferson in the rhetoric dept.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:17 (fourteen years ago)

I didn't excuse racism. I don't see what's racist as opposed to partisan in criticising Obama's speech. There are conservative people who will criticise every speech he makes, just as there were with GWB who could do no right in liberal eyes.

there's a difference here

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:19 (fourteen years ago)

Clinton got a lot of vitriol through the '90s. I think Obama's had worse, but it's close.

clemenza, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:20 (fourteen years ago)

well i mean...he'd evaded them for 9 years so even if they had an idea he might be there i can see why they weren't totally sure. i'm guessing they at least knew there was some al qaeda guys in there if not the big cheese and that they weren't just storming in on some innocent bystanders.

― Osama Wig Wooden (some dude), Monday, May 2, 2011 11:13 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

from what i can tell basically all they "knew" was that there was a big secure mansion that an al qaeda courier visited sometimes

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:21 (fourteen years ago)

There was a good blogging heads between John McWhorter and Glenn Loury the other day--Sullivan linked to it--that contrasted the vitriol directed at Clinton and Obama.

clemenza, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:24 (fourteen years ago)

it really is "you are black; I will find fault with everything you do."

No, this is ridiculous, it's like you didn't live through the last 8 years of the Bush administration where Democrats, bloggers, and several news stations blasted pretty much every single thing the guy did, this is just the way the media works and sadly the way politics are in this country. I thought all those "white priviledge" emails that went around in 2008 were the dumbest shit imagineable, but these people really do exist who think that the idea of a half-black president is such a mind-blowing issue that anyone who takes exception with the president is obviously expressing some deep-seeded racist impulse. Not saying racism doesn't exist or that people don't hate on the president because he's half-black but it's such a lazy argument to assume that of anyone

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:24 (fourteen years ago)

For those two young to remember, Clinton regularly withstood accusations of rape and murder. Like, literally rape and murder.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:25 (fourteen years ago)

there's a difference here

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:25 (fourteen years ago)

Too young, that is, of course.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:25 (fourteen years ago)

one of them was literally the worst president in this nation's history

xp to frog

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:25 (fourteen years ago)

Greenwald shits in everyone's punchbowl: http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/05/02/bin_laden/index.html

SteakNique (®2011 Ulillillia) (Phil D.), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:26 (fourteen years ago)

For those two young to remember, Clinton regularly withstood accusations of rape and murder. Like, literally rape and murder.

Yes. Hitchens still repeats as often he can the Kathleen Willey rape charges.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:26 (fourteen years ago)

I don't think democrats hated bush because he was a 'republican' - we hated him because he was literally the worst president in this nation's history

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:26 (fourteen years ago)

Xxxxxxxpost The main difference between Saddam and Osama are circumstances. Both were captured long after having any active role in said conflict.

Both were mostly psychological bogeyman victories, which by no means signaled the end of anything.

However, Saddam was captured in the midst of a war, and many (incorrectly) deemed this event the beginning of the end of this war.

Being that I opposed the war, my reaction was "Who gives a fuck?". Osama had orchestrated a terrorist attack on our towers and here we are parading around some other dude. It was like having the Son of Sam murders occur and the cops arresting John Gotti.

Dude was a monster and I by no means mourned his death, but it didn't mean anything, and signified potential problems down the road.

I don't know many people who opposed fighting Al Qaeda, even if we disagreed on the methods to fight it. And while some might have disagreed on the magnitude of Osama's capture, I doubt many people were ambivalent to it.

I would have been happy with it happening during Dubya. My partisanship flew out the door temporarily when I was terrified that more attacks were on the way.

So, it's not a particularly apt comparison by those making it.

Osama dying doesn't signify the end of terrorism but it still feels gratifying, to me at least. Even though it's mostly just killing the monster in the closet.

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:27 (fourteen years ago)

frogbs you can just say "black" you know; calling him "half-black" makes you sound like an asshole

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:29 (fourteen years ago)

xp i don't think "literally" means what you think it does

so it's okay for people to hate on a president you think is bad but if it's a president that's only kinda bad it constitutes rascism?

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:29 (fourteen years ago)

What would Clarence Thomas have to do for the right to turn on him, if race is the defining issue (or is a Supreme Court Justice a different issue).

curmudgeon, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:30 (fourteen years ago)

xp i don't think "literally" means what you think it does

no I do, that's why I used it shithead

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:30 (fourteen years ago)

What would Clarence Thomas have to do for the right to turn on him

Abort one of Ginni's babies with his bare hands, laughing jovially.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:31 (fourteen years ago)

xxxp I used "half-black" because I'm trying to show how race is almost certainly a non-issue when it comes to critiquing his speech, I don't really give a shit what that sounds like to you TBH

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:31 (fourteen years ago)

hmmm youre not really showing that at all

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:32 (fourteen years ago)

i guess at this point i hope that UBL really was still the mastermind behind a lot of shit in 'af-pak'

because, if he's dead, then maybe things will be a little calmer or more tractable there, and we can finally gtfo.

i had assumed for a long time that he was basically meaningless to the movement/organization. which would make today sort of sad and pointless.

goole, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:33 (fourteen years ago)

i'm two-thirds white btw

dell (del), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:33 (fourteen years ago)

Not saying racism doesn't exist or that people don't hate on the president because he's half-black but it's such a lazy argument to assume that of anyone.

Well I never really expected to say this but I sort of think Frog is OTM.

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:33 (fourteen years ago)

DJP-i'm surprised to see that handwringing from conservatives - I'd expect that more from my fellow bleeding heart liberals.

This is the Christian Conservative response; it really can be boiled down to "wtf Americans, stop acting like godless Muslims".

(I was very happy to see a common Christian Conservative friend point out that scripture notes the celebration of the Isrealites at the death of Goliath, and another person I didn't know said "this really goes to show how much we ALL have to learn, as people")

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:34 (fourteen years ago)

wth is up with "it's not necessarily racist" guys on this thread - it fuckin' is - the whole "arrogance/narcissism" meme, the #1 most popular one when Obama speaks on any subject whatsoever, is your classic "shut up, black man" biz - partisanship we've seen, with Clinton, no question, partisan hate is common & constant. this is several layers deeper than that, the spasms of instinctive racial hate & fear we see every time Obama does anything. it's perfectly possible to find fault with Obama and not be doing so from racial animus; huge swathes of the left do so. it's not possible to be riding the "arrogance/narcissism" deal without a hefty chunk of racism underneath it, and the reaction to his speech about the US succeeding in its counter-terror mission is exactly that, racist hate cloaked in partisanship.

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:34 (fourteen years ago)

Not saying racism doesn't exist or that people don't hate on the president because he's half-black but it's such a lazy argument to assume that of anyone.

It's only half-lazy.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:34 (fourteen years ago)

yeah but john he's only half black so

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:35 (fourteen years ago)

tbrr I don't think huge swathes of the left are actually immune to this bias based on race

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:35 (fourteen years ago)

right they hate the half of him that is white

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:35 (fourteen years ago)

aero I think the thing is, the partisan is so deep and omnipresent that it's pretty hard to pick out what bits *are* racist

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:35 (fourteen years ago)

"all these people who circulate pictures of the President as a cannibal - they're not really racist"

stfu, yes they are.

xp that's true too

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:36 (fourteen years ago)

no I do, that's why I used it shithead

ummm both Bush and Obama have made some bad decisions, I think the situation really made Bush look worse than he is, not to say he's not the worst president in recent memory, I'm just saying that doesn't really help your argument as all especially since obviously the people hating on Obama don't believe that; you know your opinion doesn't = fact but whatever you knew that

I mean I could start shit about how many people hate on Will Smith movies and how racist they must be while people hating on Larry the Cable Guy hate him only because he's "literally the worst", it doesn't matter how right you think you are, it's a dumb opinion to take

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:36 (fourteen years ago)

right but will smith is 100% black

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:37 (fourteen years ago)

lol

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:37 (fourteen years ago)

that was @ DJP but goes @ iatee too - there's some complexity but anybody who doesn't see the "he's arrogant"/"what about credit to Bush" biz as straight-up white privilege trash is kidding himself imo

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:37 (fourteen years ago)

k I'm not gonna argue with you because you're literally one of the worst posters on this board, not just half-one of the worst posters on this board

xp to frog

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:38 (fourteen years ago)

frogbs this is fucking simple. if you hate a will smith movie cause it's a shitty movie cool enuf. if you hate will smith because he's "arrogant," you're a fucking cracker. the end

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:38 (fourteen years ago)

What if we hate him because $cientology?

SteakNique (®2011 Ulillillia) (Phil D.), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:38 (fourteen years ago)

will smith seems pretty down-to-earth

difficult listening hour, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:39 (fourteen years ago)

for a majority-black person

difficult listening hour, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:39 (fourteen years ago)

'men in black' is one of the best movies of the 90s, while we're on the subject.

all that scientology stuff kind of puts me off the guy tho.

lol xps

goole, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:39 (fourteen years ago)

wth is up with "it's not necessarily racist" guys on this thread - it fuckin' is - the whole "arrogance/narcissism" meme, the #1 most popular one when Obama speaks on any subject whatsoever, is your classic "shut up, black man" biz

IIRC people hated Kerry for the same reasons

I like Obama...I think he's a great speaker, but yeah bc I buy into all that shit I can see him that way, it's not really hard to see him coming off that way, his speeches don't really exude the same feelings that Clintons did

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:39 (fourteen years ago)

What if we hate him because $cientology?

then you're an SP and I'm gonna put out-ethics on you to the highest degree

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:39 (fourteen years ago)

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/obl050211/s_b13_RTR2LVRD.jpg

I really hope this is for an episode of It's Always Sunny In Philidephia

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:39 (fourteen years ago)

The whole "arrogance/narcissism" meme, the #1 most popular one when Obama speaks on any subject whatsoever, is your classic "shut up, black man" biz

^^^ It's the "getting above himself" implication that pushes it over the cliff. It's not the ONLY manifestation of racist partisanship directed against O but it is racist for sure.

Oh hey look I'm xxxxxxxxxxp

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:40 (fourteen years ago)

half-zentai

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:40 (fourteen years ago)

people hated Kerry because he threw that little girl into a well

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:40 (fourteen years ago)

frogbs this is fucking simple. if you hate a will smith movie cause it's a shitty movie cool enuf. if you hate will smith because he's "arrogant," you're a fucking cracker. the end

I hate Dane Cook movies because he's arrogant, what does that make me? Since when was arrogance a "black guy" trait?

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:40 (fourteen years ago)

FUCKING HELL GUYS YOU HAVE YOUR SHITTY AMERICAN POLITICS TO KEEP DOING THIS RACE QUESTION BULLSHIT THREE YEARS IN. LETS JUST ENJOY THE FUCKER BEING DOWNED AFTER HE KILLED THOUSANDS AND THE RESULTING MEMES.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:41 (fourteen years ago)

people hated Kerry because he threw that little girl into a well

out loud lol

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:41 (fourteen years ago)

a hundred memes bloom

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:41 (fourteen years ago)

a half-black guy trait

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:41 (fourteen years ago)

Man some motherfuckin' bizarro faux-naivete going on ITT.

SteakNique (®2011 Ulillillia) (Phil D.), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:41 (fourteen years ago)

sorry i have i run that one into the ground yet

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:41 (fourteen years ago)

I hate Dane Cook movies because he's arrogant, what does that make me?

Hitler

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:41 (fourteen years ago)

"I've never even heard this word 'uppity,' idk wtf you guys are talking about."

SteakNique (®2011 Ulillillia) (Phil D.), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:42 (fourteen years ago)

People hated Kerry because of his choice in swim trunks:

http://obamapacman.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/John-Kerry-Wind-Surfing-539w.jpg

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:42 (fourteen years ago)

can we go back to bin laden jokes and funny pictures

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:42 (fourteen years ago)

I just posted a funny picture. Laugh, you fucker.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:43 (fourteen years ago)

k I'm not gonna argue with you because you're literally one of the worst posters on this board, not just half-one of the worst posters on this board

xp to frog

yeah it is a little much to expect you to back up your arguments without resorting to name calling

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:43 (fourteen years ago)

i got a hotlink warning alfred!

goole, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:43 (fourteen years ago)

xp alfred you gotta see what you actually did

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:43 (fourteen years ago)

Man some motherfuckin' bizarro faux-naivete going on ITT.

it isn't faux, this is a genuine generation gap

the problem with frogbs's viewpoint being espoused is that the people all participating in this behavior in our political arena are in my generation and older; even if you assume the biases are working themselves out of the younger generation, they are very much present in the generation currently running shit

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:44 (fourteen years ago)

LOL at aerosmif's Outkast zing

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:45 (fourteen years ago)

This thread reminds me of 1995 BBS chat lag where by the time your comment posted you were ten minutes behind in the convo!

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:46 (fourteen years ago)

his speeches don't really exude the same feelings that Clintons did

lolz, like "I really like power"

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:47 (fourteen years ago)

frogbs is cracking me up this morning, good job

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:47 (fourteen years ago)

all these war-on-terr'r-narrative conservatives spluttering sour grapes is like watching a bunch of robots malfunction

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:49 (fourteen years ago)

basically everything about pakistan freaks me out and these events aren't really helping

though here's a tyler cowen post recommending some book or other that he read in the last 45 mins

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2011/05/pakistan-a-hard-country.html

goole, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:49 (fourteen years ago)

clinton didn't have to deal with insanity like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_assassination_scare_in_Denver

before he was even elected!

http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:50 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/social.media/05/02/osama.twitter.reports/index.html?hpt=T2

did we talk about this yet

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:50 (fourteen years ago)

"Bin Laden is dead. I didn't kill him. Please let me sleep now."

hahaha

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:51 (fourteen years ago)

I mean look at Bush's speeches for example, pretty much the entire left criticized every one because he "sounded dumb and uneducated" and mispronounced words and such, now imagine he was black (or half-black, durrr), the right would throw a shitfit over something like that and we'd never get to the bottom of whatever non-issue was being debated in the first place

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:51 (fourteen years ago)

*tries to imagines a black republican texan president*

gainfully trˆᴥˆlled (blueski), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:53 (fourteen years ago)

all these war-on-terr'r-narrative conservatives spluttering sour grapes is like watching a bunch of robots malfunction

exactly, you have to wonder if Toby Keith's gonna rally them all with another song about the red, white, and blue; "i told you you'd get a boot up your ass"

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:53 (fourteen years ago)

Bun B 4 President

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:54 (fourteen years ago)

GEE I WONDER IF THERE ARE DIFFERENT DYNAMICS AT WORK IN A BUNCH OF WHITE AMERICANS CALLING A BLACK GUY ARROGANT THAN THERE ARE IN THE ENTIRE CIVILIZED WORLD CALLING A PRIVILEGED RICH WHITE SOUTHERN DUDE DUMB

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:54 (fourteen years ago)

*faux-southern dude

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:54 (fourteen years ago)

exactly, you have to wonder if Toby Keith's gonna rally them all with another song about the red, white, and blue; "i told you you'd get a boot up your ass"

Toby Keith is a Democrat

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:54 (fourteen years ago)

I mean look at Bush's speeches for example, pretty much the entire left criticized every one because he "sounded dumb and uneducated" and mispronounced words and such,

tbf this was not "pretty much the entire left" -- it's closer to Bill Maher and the HuffPost crowd.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:55 (fourteen years ago)

I think the only way Obama coulda avoided crit for his speech is if he delivered it as a knock-knock joke

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:56 (fourteen years ago)

at least bin laden didn't use a teleprompter! god

dell (del), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:57 (fourteen years ago)

Toby Keith is a Democrat

for some reason I feel like this would make a great title for an EBM jam, somebody get on that

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:57 (fourteen years ago)

For those two young to remember, Clinton regularly withstood accusations of rape and murder. Like, literally rape and murder.

Yes. Hitchens still repeats as often he can the Kathleen Willey rape charges.

Willey was groping, Juanita Broddrick accused him of rape. When we reach the level of a GOP Congressman shooting a watermelon to prove that Obama is a murderer then the Clinton/Obama vitriol will have equaled out.

President Keyes, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:58 (fourteen years ago)

Typo certainly ruins it, but still, lol:

http://oi52.tinypic.com/k56xw.jpg

jaymc, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:58 (fourteen years ago)

yeah aero, think about the people you've labelled as "arrogant" and your reasons for doing so

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 15:59 (fourteen years ago)

Willey was groping

can I say the first thing I thought of were boobies?

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:59 (fourteen years ago)

anyway the meme that's starting to take flight: torturing KSM gave the national security establishment its first real tip about bin Laden's most trusted aid, therefore torture worked.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:02 (fourteen years ago)

*aide

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:02 (fourteen years ago)

"arrogance" -> "not knowing his place" -> "black man should know his place"

There have been bizarro call-outs referring to certain Obama things as arrogance that make absolutely no sense to me, and I really feel like most people have their moments of being arrogant.

mh, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:03 (fourteen years ago)

I mean look at Bush's speeches for example, pretty much the entire left criticized every one because he "sounded dumb and uneducated" and mispronounced words and such

tbh i don't know of any american who reacted so disparagingly to GWB's presidential address immediately following the sept 11 attacks (the televised address, i don't mean the ground zero megaphone grandstanding). obviously there are different circumstances now, but to criticize obama for being arrogant in his oratory when the occasion called for gravitas and reflection is reveals a different standard is in effect for obama.

i can tina turner (elmo argonaut), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:04 (fourteen years ago)

reflection is reveals

i can tina turner (elmo argonaut), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:05 (fourteen years ago)

bin Laden's most trusted aid

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/07/31/kool_aid_2.gif

Also Obama is getting the double-whammy here of "arrogant black man" and "arrogant Ivy League elitist" and it's pretty much impossible to distinguish between the two

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:05 (fourteen years ago)

Although Keith has supported President George W. Bush, he says he is not a conservative

curmudgeon, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:06 (fourteen years ago)

he's lucky he's not an ilx mod too

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:06 (fourteen years ago)

(jk)

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:06 (fourteen years ago)

n 2004, Keith called himself "a conservative Democrat who is sometimes embarrassed for his party".[14] He endorsed the re-election of President George W. Bush in the 2004 presidential election and performed at a Dallas, Texas, rally on the night before the election. Keith also endorsed Democrat Dan Boren in his successful run in Oklahoma's 2nd congressional district and is good friends with Democratic New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson. In a January 2007 interview with Newsday, Keith was asked whether he supported the Iraq War. He responded with "Never did," and said he favors setting a time limit on the campaign. He also said, "I don't apologize for being patriotic... If there is something socially incorrect about being patriotic and supporting your troops, then they can kiss my ass on that, because I'm not going to budge on that at all. And that has nothing to do with politics. Politics is what's killing America."

xp: lol

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:07 (fourteen years ago)

Toby Keith is kind of an everyman of sorts

mh, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:07 (fourteen years ago)

a terrific singer too!

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:08 (fourteen years ago)

elmo - I don't think you can really compare the 9/11 attacks to Osama's death, since the moments following 9/11 were really one of the few times in recent history where people really felt they needed to hear from the president. I mean the internet's first instinct to this whole thing is to joke about it, I dunno if that's much further from the public consciousness

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:08 (fourteen years ago)

Also Obama is getting the double-whammy here of "arrogant black man" and "arrogant Ivy League elitist" and it's pretty much impossible to distinguish between the two

Most conservative dead-enders square that circle by assuming he was an affirmative action beneficiary and therefore has nothing to be arrogant about in re: the latter.

SteakNique (®2011 Ulillillia) (Phil D.), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:09 (fourteen years ago)

yeah aero, think about the people you've labelled as "arrogant" and your reasons for doing so

do you have any particular occasions in mind? this is not generally a charge I level at people, "arrogance," the accusation in general often strikes me as a sort of "I'm out of shit to throw at you so I'm going to call you arrogant"

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:10 (fourteen years ago)

the diff btwn righty vitriol vs Bubba and Bam is if Archie Bunker's daughter married Mike Stivic or Lionel Jefferson

(and if they both bombed the shit outta civilians, but let's not muddy the issue)

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:11 (fourteen years ago)

so wtf is THIS address about, again?

you think im child grooming (rip van wanko), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:12 (fourteen years ago)

Most conservative dead-enders square that circle by assuming he was an affirmative action beneficiary and therefore has nothing to be arrogant about in re: the latter.

Exactly what Trump has moved on to.

clemenza, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:12 (fourteen years ago)

"arrogance" -> "not knowing his place" -> "black man should know his place"

There have been bizarro call-outs referring to certain Obama things as arrogance that make absolutely no sense to me, and I really feel like most people have their moments of being arrogant.

I guess I never really understood this viewpoint, we elected him as the leader of the free world, I'm not sure what someone would think his place isn't

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:12 (fourteen years ago)

I feel like opposition to Bush during his terms was warranted and for the most part, literate.

a modest broposal (suzy), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:14 (fourteen years ago)

Frogbs-there were jokes during the post-9/11 speech too on the net. It's how some tried to deal with it.

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:15 (fourteen years ago)

Maybe you missed the past few years of people trying to claim he was an illegitimate president?

why am I even interacting with frogs

mh, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:16 (fourteen years ago)

you guys, this song

http://hiphopwired.com/2011/05/02/50-cent-signee-releases-new-track-osama-bin-laden-is-dead-audio/

da croupier, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:16 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYkMnjrA6iQ

da croupier, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:17 (fourteen years ago)

that song can be summed up by the lyric "the great news made me lose my mind"

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:21 (fourteen years ago)

do you have any particular occasions in mind? this is not generally a charge I level at people, "arrogance," the accusation in general often strikes me as a sort of "I'm out of shit to throw at you so I'm going to call you arrogant"

Maybe as it pertains to celebrities or politicians? It gets leveled a lot at people who sound intelligent but inflexible who hold controversial viewpoints, like say Richard Dawkins. As far as Obama goes I think he does exude an air of authority that no president in recent memory has really had, which obviously some people like myself like, some don't

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:21 (fourteen years ago)

i figured the arrogance thing started (or blew up) with that Obama quote about clinging to god and guns

President Keyes, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:22 (fourteen years ago)

lololololol omfg @ this song

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:22 (fourteen years ago)

Can we talk about that song instead?

I can't because I'm speechless, but if someone else wants to...

mh, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:23 (fourteen years ago)

we elected him as the leader of the free world, I'm not sure what someone would think his place isn't

Lots of people think his place isn't as the Leader of the Free World, in case you missed birtherism altogether.

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:23 (fourteen years ago)

"I am the black Bieber"

da croupier, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:25 (fourteen years ago)

Maybe as it pertains to celebrities or politicians? It gets leveled a lot at people who sound intelligent but inflexible who hold controversial viewpoints, like say Richard Dawkins. As far as Obama goes I think he does exude an air of authority that no president in recent memory has really had, which obviously some people like myself like, some don't

dude you told me to "think about the people you've labelled as 'arrogant' and your reasons for doing so," hence why I asked whether you meant anything specific, because to the best of my knowledge it isn't really something I do unless I like personally know a dude & he really can't get over himself but as a criticism of the leader of the free world it strikes me as pretty fuckin suspect

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:25 (fourteen years ago)

Maybe you missed the past few years of people trying to claim he was an illegitimate president?

why am I even interacting with frogs

No I didn't miss that, you might recall people tried to claim that Bush was directly responsible for 9/11 too, and both sides got shot down pretty hard

BTW just to be straight on this I do think the whole stupid "birther" thing was something that is a lot easier to qualify as a race issue but not necessarily so. Hell even my Dad thought for sure that he was not born in the U.S. but also that the whole thing was still a non-issue

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:25 (fourteen years ago)

the "winning" tag pretty much ruins that song for me though

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:26 (fourteen years ago)

Oh my fucking god that song.

emil.y, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:26 (fourteen years ago)

Also Obama is getting the double-whammy here of "arrogant black man" and "arrogant Ivy League elitist" and it's pretty much impossible to distinguish between the two

― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:05 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://images.wikia.com/30rock/images/e/e3/Toofer-promo-01.jpg

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:26 (fourteen years ago)

but not necessarily so.
but not necessarily so.
but not necessarily so.
but not necessarily so.
but not necessarily so.

dude, just... stop. for all of our sakes

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:28 (fourteen years ago)

Bucks player takes ration of shit from Twitter followers for anti-war stance: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2011-05-02/chris-douglas-roberts-offers-different-perspective-on-death-of-osama-bin-laden

SteakNique (®2011 Ulillillia) (Phil D.), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:28 (fourteen years ago)

xp what exactly is your issue jon

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:29 (fourteen years ago)

Oh my fucking god that song.

dell (del), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:29 (fourteen years ago)

http://twitter.com/#!/Timbaland007/status/64906180379672577

bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:30 (fourteen years ago)

xp what exactly is your issue jon

If you don't think the whole birther thing is "necessarily" racist, than I don't really have an issue because its not even worth my time trying to argue it with you.

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:31 (fourteen years ago)

timbaland a big henry cooper fan

gainfully trˆᴥˆlled (blueski), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:31 (fourteen years ago)

BTW just to be straight on this I do think the whole stupid "birther" thing was something that is a lot easier to qualify as a race issue but not necessarily so.

Jesus Christ. We actually had a candidate for President in 2008 who WAS born outside the United States, John McCain. The result was a fucking Senate resolution saying "He's cool, it's all good." The other candidate, who was born in Hawaii to a mother who is an American citizen, is taking shit about it to this day. But yeah, nothing to do with race.

SteakNique (®2011 Ulillillia) (Phil D.), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:32 (fourteen years ago)

Necessarily.

SteakNique (®2011 Ulillillia) (Phil D.), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:32 (fourteen years ago)

Chris Douglas-Roberts totally OTM

the wages of sin is about tree fiddy (WmC), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:32 (fourteen years ago)

Hawaii's like barely a state though

bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:32 (fourteen years ago)

how long have u been bananas foster wallace because that is a fucking A+ username

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:33 (fourteen years ago)

How can you possibly announce you've just killed bin Laden without sounding a teeny bit arrogant? I mean, I strut like a cockerel any time I manage not to burn dinner.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:34 (fourteen years ago)

You're barely a state. xp

SteakNique (®2011 Ulillillia) (Phil D.), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:34 (fourteen years ago)

How can you possibly announce you've just killed bin Laden without sounding a teeny bit arrogant?

otm - I'd be like that kicking door in gif near the top of the thread somewhere.

abbottabadass (onimo), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:37 (fourteen years ago)

I've never been so excited to see the photo of a corpse with a gunshot wound through the head.

http://twitter.com/#!/EmilyMillerDC/status/65078141303001090

Is this person really a senior editor on the Washington Times?

these are my everyday balloons (Ned Trifle II), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:37 (fourteen years ago)

I'd be doing the cooking dance and grabbing my crotch if I was announcing that.

Craiger Lazer (Craigo Boingo), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:38 (fourteen years ago)

Being down about Obama's speech is kinda like sulking at a Prince concert imo

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:38 (fourteen years ago)

Why is Sami Hyypia on the Twitter trends? Was he shot in the compound?

James Mitchell, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:39 (fourteen years ago)

in case the song above is too much of a tangent for this thread, I revived one on ILM about its maker: This topic is dedicated to the newest member of G Unit: Young Hot Rod! An exciting new rapper with a splendid name!

da croupier, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:41 (fourteen years ago)

Wearing the #4 shirt in Seal Team 6 iirc

xp

abbottabadass (onimo), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:41 (fourteen years ago)

guys... this song... what

goole, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:43 (fourteen years ago)

Wait a minute: his body was buried at sea, and he was from Arabia, where a certain doomsday cult is centered = they gave him to Cthulhu at Rl'yeh. It's a conspiracy!

EZ Snappin, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:47 (fourteen years ago)

Is this person really a senior editor on the Washington Times?

― these are my everyday balloons (Ned Trifle II), Monday, May 2, 2011 12:37 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

are you familiar with the washington times

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:48 (fourteen years ago)

washington times = even more amateur version of ny post

Mordy, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:48 (fourteen years ago)

run by moonies iirc.

James Mitchell, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:49 (fourteen years ago)

xp - I do now.

The Times was read every day by President Ronald Reagan during his terms in office

these are my everyday balloons (Ned Trifle II), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:50 (fourteen years ago)

which sea? xp

nultybutnice (whatever), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:50 (fourteen years ago)

how long have u been bananas foster wallace because that is a fucking A+ username

― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, May 2, 2011 12:33 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thx, there's a thread for this!

bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:50 (fourteen years ago)

and Human Events!

xxpost

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:51 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/05/on-cheering-death/238159/

I'm with Fallows:

Hooray. It is almost never right to celebrate a death. Almost.

I think I'll stop noting that Bin Laden was a killer of Muslims. I feel like Giuliani lecturing Harlem on "black on black" crime. Muslim is a big word, and part of the problem with the last ten years has been the unwillingness to acknowledge that fact. What actually sticks with me is Bin Laden killed mass quantities of human beings with almost [no (sic)] regard for distinctions. It's not that he killed Muslims. It's that he didn't much care who he killed.

The body-count, in number and means, is spectacular--I think Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who video-taped himself beheading human beings. I think about the hundreds of people killed in the bombing of al-Askaria Mosque, with the apparent hope of fomenting a Civil War. I think about the deaths in Nairobi, and bombing of night-clubs in Bali. It really is bigger than 9/11.

Faced with that level of callous disregard for life, I find it a little difficult to lecture 25-year olds who came of age during this time on their varied reactions. Americans are humans too.

goole, Monday, 2 May 2011 16:51 (fourteen years ago)

Fallows and Coll have been A+ today.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:52 (fourteen years ago)

I am looking forward to next week's Osama-themed Family Circus

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:54 (fourteen years ago)

cannot get enough of "osama is dead tonight"

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:55 (fourteen years ago)

The song is good evidence that we're heading for the real life version of "Idiocracy," but an air-headed tmz watching club-goers version rather than a monster truck loving redneck version.

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:56 (fourteen years ago)

I haven't listened but please tell me it's to the tune of that one Goo Goo Dolls song.

SteakNique (®2011 Ulillillia) (Phil D.), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:57 (fourteen years ago)

Jordan S is so great in this thread.

Letzte Tage - Letzte Pächmina (Pashmina), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:58 (fourteen years ago)

BBC News going into overdrive with a special programme now.

got a whole lotta gloves (snoball), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:00 (fourteen years ago)

that song
it's like the bizarro james brown is dead

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:01 (fourteen years ago)

that song is awesome

That Dunkster! (absolutely clean glasses), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:02 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiDyrkU0WAQ

James Mitchell, Monday, 2 May 2011 17:10 (fourteen years ago)

If you don't think the whole birther thing is "necessarily" racist, than I don't really have an issue because its not even worth my time trying to argue it with you.

no, I don't think the whole thing is; like, my Dad thinks he was not born in America, but also thinks the rule that you can't be U.S. President if you weren't born here is stupid and doesn't think he should be thrown out or anything, just maybe a result of reading some bad blogs or something

the idea is if you think this is a big deal and that he's not a legit president, that's stupid and probably a race issue since GWB probably wasn't a 'legit' president either. I'd be curious what would happen if it were somehow proven out that he wasn't born here and if you'd see it as a race issue then.

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 17:13 (fourteen years ago)

I'll give you ten guesses as to where the "he wasn't born in America" concept comes from, and the first nine don't count. Ready? Go.

SteakNique (®2011 Ulillillia) (Phil D.), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:16 (fourteen years ago)

(Here is a hint: It is because he is black and has a funny name. That should help you guess. OK, go.)

SteakNique (®2011 Ulillillia) (Phil D.), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:17 (fourteen years ago)

"just maybe a result of reading some bad blogs or something"
side effects may include

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:18 (fourteen years ago)

but what if they could prove that jews have horns, would it still be anti-semitic to say that? think about it.

You Get Hoynes (bnw), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:18 (fourteen years ago)

I'd be curious what would happen if it were somehow proven out that he wasn't born here and if you'd see it as a race issue then.

there are not enough facepalm gifs in the world

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:19 (fourteen years ago)

is it anti-semitic if you can prove all jews are horny?

That Dunkster! (absolutely clean glasses), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:19 (fourteen years ago)

there are not enough facepalm gifs in the world

otm, I briefly entertained the though of GISing one, but, so not worth it

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:21 (fourteen years ago)

not enough SBs either

i can tina turner (elmo argonaut), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:24 (fourteen years ago)

wait, can't you just respond to the question

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 17:25 (fourteen years ago)

Your use of commas bothers me too. Suggest ban punctuation.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:26 (fourteen years ago)

"I think I'll stop noting that Bin Laden was a killer of Muslims. I feel like Giuliani lecturing Harlem on "black on black" crime. Muslim is a big word, and part of the problem with the last ten years has been the unwillingness to acknowledge that fact. What actually sticks with me is Bin Laden killed mass quantities of human beings with almost [no (sic)] regard for distinctions. It's not that he killed Muslims. It's that he didn't much care who he killed."

for what it's worth, bin laden thought a lot of muslims were as bad as the jews or whatever. and he DID, you know, target actual, um, targets. who was around when those targets were hit probably didn't concern him much, that's probably true.

scott seward, Monday, 2 May 2011 17:27 (fourteen years ago)

Scarily enough, Ross Douthat mostly OTM: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/opinion/02douthat.html . Except these are all things he (and a lot of other people) should have realized no later than 9/13/2001, not a decade later.

SteakNique (®2011 Ulillillia) (Phil D.), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:27 (fourteen years ago)

wait, can't you just respond to the question

what, exactly, is your question?

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:28 (fourteen years ago)

my Dad thinks he was not born in America, but also thinks the rule that you can't be U.S. President if you weren't born here is stupid and doesn't think he should be thrown out or anything

So then why the hell does the question of where he was born even come up? Is there a particular reason to talk about that issue, outside of presidential eligibility?

Divorcing "Obama is not from America" from "Obama is not eligible to be president" removes the racism excuse and just makes that idea straight up racist!

mh, Monday, 2 May 2011 17:33 (fourteen years ago)

if somehow the birthers were right, if the guy who first brought it up had some inside info or whatever, would you still think that the movement as a whole or the subsequent movement to impeach him was a racist thing?

also since I'm sure some of you are going to claim this let me point out that I DO NOT BELIEVE IN ANY OF THE BIRTHER THEORIES AT ALL

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 17:33 (fourteen years ago)

Sorry frogbs, you have to admit race, whether subconscious or not, has to play a role.

All Presidents are victims of urban myths and mistruths, but usually they're based on a much smaller and insignificant truth or rumor that is merely distorted or twisted to smear the candidate.

The birther movement was based on a claim made by a dude who filed a lawsuit based on evidence he himself fabricated in an interview he wanted to trick into falsely declaring Kenyan-born through the difficulties experienced due to using a translator.

Couple that with the fact that many in the Birther movement often were the same who said "I think Obama is a closet Muslim" simply because of his name and skin color, without subjecting the evidence to any real scrutiny, and there you go.

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:34 (fourteen years ago)

if somehow the birthers were right, if the guy who first brought it up had some inside info or whatever

I have inside info that frogsb is a rapist. Please start the investigation.

mh, Monday, 2 May 2011 17:36 (fourteen years ago)

simply because of his name and skin color

I think it is mostly the Kenyan father that gets this ppl going.

That Dunkster! (absolutely clean glasses), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:37 (fourteen years ago)

*these

That Dunkster! (absolutely clean glasses), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:37 (fourteen years ago)

and the "school in Indonesia"

That Dunkster! (absolutely clean glasses), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:37 (fourteen years ago)

best song about OBL and the war on terror ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlBnJ0egT_4

http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:37 (fourteen years ago)

I figure the birther thing emerged whole cloth out of the collective psyche of those with a oedipal need to delegitimize an authority figure--better that than admit the questionable legitimacy of authority per se.

ryan, Monday, 2 May 2011 17:39 (fourteen years ago)

Who is to say Obama was even born?

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:39 (fourteen years ago)

if somehow the birthers were right, if the guy who first brought it up had some inside info or whatever, would you still think that the movement as a whole or the subsequent movement to impeach him was a racist thing?

this chain of hypothetical events is just so dumb in so many ways, sorry if no one wants to waste their time persuading you

i can tina turner (elmo argonaut), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:41 (fourteen years ago)

Did anyone ever see bin Laden and Obama in the same room? Funny that he hasn't really done the media thing much since Obama's been in the spotlight. They're both tall men, have we ever seen Osama without a beard?!?

mh, Monday, 2 May 2011 17:41 (fourteen years ago)

omg i hear frogbs is a rapist.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:41 (fourteen years ago)

So then why the hell does the question of where he was born even come up? Is there a particular reason to talk about that issue, outside of presidential eligibility?

b/c I asked him about it, at the time I really had no idea what it was all about
you can buy into a theory without having the same motives as the people who created it

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 17:43 (fourteen years ago)

Couple that with the fact that many in the Birther movement often were the same who said "I think Obama is a closet Muslim" simply because of his name and skin color, without subjecting the evidence to any real scrutiny, and there you go.

The Secret Muslim thing is pure racism, as these people believe that being a Muslim is a genetic trait, passed down from the father, and not a matter of faith or choice.

President Keyes, Monday, 2 May 2011 17:44 (fourteen years ago)

There's no reason to think there is any inside info or whatever, and all the reason in the world to think he is an eligible president - so maintaining scepticism is just stupid, which is even worse.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 2 May 2011 17:44 (fourteen years ago)

you can buy into a theory without having the same motives as the people who created it

― frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:43 (10 seconds ago) Bookmark

yes but you can't do it without sounding like a complete dickhead.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:45 (fourteen years ago)

this chain of hypothetical events is just so dumb in so many ways, sorry if no one wants to waste their time persuading you

smh

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 17:45 (fourteen years ago)

this isn't really the thread for 'birtherism 101' ppl

goole, Monday, 2 May 2011 17:45 (fourteen years ago)

you can buy into a theory without having the same motives as the people who created it

not that one, you can't

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:45 (fourteen years ago)

frogbs

buzza, Monday, 2 May 2011 17:46 (fourteen years ago)

Many a well-meaning policy, plus awful ones like apostasy, is based on Islam being passed down at birth

Ismael Klata, Monday, 2 May 2011 17:47 (fourteen years ago)

There's no reason to think there is any inside info or whatever, and all the reason in the world to think he is an eligible president - so maintaining scepticism is just stupid, which is even worse.

some people are more or less predisposed to believe these sorts of conspiracy theories especially if you're browsing the right sort of blogs all day

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 17:47 (fourteen years ago)

hey guys did you remember when bin laden died?

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:47 (fourteen years ago)

is your dad captainlorax

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 17:48 (fourteen years ago)

There's no reason to think there is any inside info or whatever, and all the reason in the world to think he is an eligible president - so maintaining scepticism is just stupid, which is even worse.

some people are more or less predisposed to believe these sorts of conspiracy theories especially if you're browsing the right sort of blogs all day

― frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:47 (33 seconds ago) Bookmark

5t0rmfr0nt blogs?

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:48 (fourteen years ago)

great news guys:

In wake of bin Laden death, sports once again plays important role

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:49 (fourteen years ago)

right now i'm just saying FROOOG BEE EEEEESSSS!!! in a colonel klink style

guys, enough

goole, Monday, 2 May 2011 17:50 (fourteen years ago)

Sports venues host the purest expression of brain-dead nationalism

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:50 (fourteen years ago)

has someone posted 3-6 mafia 'bin laden' on this thread yet?

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:51 (fourteen years ago)

you can buy into a theory without having the same motives as the people who created it

not that one, you can't

― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, May 2, 2011 5:45 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

tbh I kind of think it is possible thru ignorance + right-wing media which have been rumored to exist in some pockets of American society

That Dunkster! (absolutely clean glasses), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:51 (fourteen years ago)

has someone posted 3-6 mafia 'bin laden' on this thread yet?

― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:51 (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yes!

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:51 (fourteen years ago)

Breaking news: Rush Limbaugh praises Obama without reservation.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:52 (fourteen years ago)

^^^actually upset that isn't a rickroll.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:53 (fourteen years ago)

not a single person I work with has even brought this up today. I do work with lots of people who are uncomfortable talking about politics, but still, it seems weird. So anticlimactic.

akm, Monday, 2 May 2011 17:53 (fourteen years ago)

there's really not much to say

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 17:54 (fourteen years ago)

We did, in the "man, crazy stuff!" context. Also, the poor guy on twitter who accidentally live-tweeted the helicopter action.

Although one dude was saying oil prices are down 2% so I cracked a joke about bin Laden having a huge stockpile of oil in the garage of that house.

mh, Monday, 2 May 2011 17:58 (fourteen years ago)

my boss ended a staff mtg today with "well, bin laden's dead" and everyone was like "yup"

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:59 (fourteen years ago)

Yeah, nobody has mentioned it here either.

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 2 May 2011 17:59 (fourteen years ago)

not that one, you can't

i would guess your definition of what constitutes "racist behavior" is pretty damn loose then

what would the motive be if someone believed for whatever reason that Bush wasn't born in the country?

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:00 (fourteen years ago)

oddly enough I found out while I was at a lightning bolt show

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:00 (fourteen years ago)

take that arab on radar

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:00 (fourteen years ago)

It's not how Bin Laden would've wanted it

Ismael Klata, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:00 (fourteen years ago)

rush, whaaaaa

That Dunkster! (absolutely clean glasses), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:01 (fourteen years ago)

ha modern office chitchat about lyfe has migrated almost entirely online i bet! nobody is really talking about it irl here, but i bet the nation's commercial trunk internet lines are pretty busy...

i mean, i've been reading blogs and news sites for about, let's see, four hours straight? i don't really feel the need to talk to anyone in the cubes around me.

goole, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:01 (fourteen years ago)

exactly

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:02 (fourteen years ago)

The apathy, I mean (million xps probably)

Ismael Klata, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:02 (fourteen years ago)

here's something for a slate explainer: will the seal who shot him get that $multimillion reward?

goole, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:02 (fourteen years ago)

hey guys did you remember when bin laden died?

― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, May 2, 2011 6:47 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah in an awesome scarface style shootout with navy seals at his fuckin sweet gangsta mansion

http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:03 (fourteen years ago)

Can we talk about Pakistan's ISI?

mh, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:03 (fourteen years ago)

here's something for a slate explainer: will the seal who shot him get that $multimillion reward?

whoever shot him is pretty set for life regardless. could prob be a motivational speaker.

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:03 (fourteen years ago)

where are the tony montana image macros I ask you

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:04 (fourteen years ago)

I did find it funny how the media stressed the fact that it was an American missile that took him out

I'd be curious what they'd say if he was killed by friendly fire or if they'd just say it was an American missile

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:04 (fourteen years ago)

sod this i'll be cross if trump doesn't win tonight

nultybutnice (whatever), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:05 (fourteen years ago)

What the hell are you talking about? Get off this thread if you can't even read the news.
x-post
"missile"

mh, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:05 (fourteen years ago)

whoever shot him is pretty set for life regardless. could prob be a motivational speaker.

― iatee, Monday, May 2, 2011 1:03 PM (43 seconds ago) Bookmark

i have to imagine your ex-special forces dudes are fairly well set up? maybe not tho, scrapping around for some outfit like blackwater seems a little undignified to me, and the money is famously very good. but clearly men who get into this line of work are wired up a little different than you or me, they just really like it possibly.

we're never gonna know who it was, is the thing.

goole, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:07 (fourteen years ago)

"missile" what the fuck are you even talking about

goole, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:07 (fourteen years ago)

"Did anyone ever see bin Laden and Obama in the same room?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuMShxAq7XQ

scott seward, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:07 (fourteen years ago)

Are they saying he was shot now? I watched the first hour of coverage and the headline was that it was a missile but there was a possibility he was shot, dunno what they're saying now

btw that was totally not the point of that post

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:08 (fourteen years ago)

omg

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:09 (fourteen years ago)

what would the motive be if someone believed for whatever reason that Bush wasn't born in the country?

god just shut up

i can tina turner (elmo argonaut), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:09 (fourteen years ago)

he stepped on a rake, frogbs

Ismael Klata, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:09 (fourteen years ago)

Fwiw, I criticized Dubya's forced hick affectation since he deliberately invoked it, like Sarah Palin, as some sorta "Real 'Murrican" dog-whistle so his target audience would overlook the whole Andover/Yale/millionaire thing.

We've moved past this, I know, just wanted to put that out there.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:10 (fourteen years ago)

frogbs it's a bit harder to discredit Dubya's citizenship/birth, considering HIS FATHER WAS A PRESIDENT!

there's an enormous amount of evidence that states that Obama was born in Hawaii, and anyone who was legitimately trying to claim otherwise has been discredited, so basically right now if you believe that Obama was not born in Hawaii, it's basically because you choose to, because of whatever underlying assumptions you hold that makes it easier to believe that Obama is an interloping foreigner who has hijacked this country rather than a legitimately-elected President. Forgive us if we scan that as being racist somehow.

also: Bush is worst prez ever bcz he's subliterate fuckup who's first term was stolen

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:11 (fourteen years ago)

Pentagon releases slides showing exact location and layout of bin Laden compound: http://abcn.ws/lEDXax

SteakNique (®2011 Ulillillia) (Phil D.), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:12 (fourteen years ago)

early reports were that he died after using a woman as a human shield. she wasn't great body armour.

nultybutnice (whatever), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:12 (fourteen years ago)

god just shut up

dude just sb and move on

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:12 (fourteen years ago)

(xp to whatever) I was a little nonplussed w/ ^that...fine if it's true, but it kinda plays into our apparent need to turn UBL into some sort of silent-movie caricature villain

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:13 (fourteen years ago)

there are millions of people who will never ever believe that obama was born in the states. no matter what evidence you have. most of those people are so beyond "facts" in general.

scott seward, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:14 (fourteen years ago)

hey, maybe read a single article, the transcript of Obama's message, or ANYTHING factual before talking random shit about this. go away.

fwiw we have all sb'ed and are attempting to move on

mh, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:14 (fourteen years ago)

Oh man it makes me feel a whole lot better about frogbs when I realize he doesn't even have a grasp on the basics.

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:14 (fourteen years ago)

Pentagon releases slides showing exact location and layout of bin Laden compound: http://abcn.ws/lEDXax

i'm worried about the other place up the road now.

nultybutnice (whatever), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:15 (fourteen years ago)

I cracked a joke about bin Laden having a huge stockpile of oil in the garage of that house

i was hoping they would find ~1 trillion $$$ in his mattress
http://costofwar.com/en/

confederate terror anchor babies (will), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:15 (fourteen years ago)

xpost Reported as shot in the head.

So does this set the stage for inevitable military action in Pakistan? Or at least further ... complications?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:15 (fourteen years ago)

frogbs it's a bit harder to discredit Dubya's citizenship/birth, considering HIS FATHER WAS A PRESIDENT!

there's an enormous amount of evidence that states that Obama was born in Hawaii, and anyone who was legitimately trying to claim otherwise has been discredited, so basically right now if you believe that Obama was not born in Hawaii, it's basically because you choose to, because of whatever underlying assumptions you hold that makes it easier to believe that Obama is an interloping foreigner who has hijacked this country rather than a legitimately-elected President. Forgive us if we scan that as being racist somehow.

well make up your own conspiracy theory. say he's adopted, or say it about Clinton or something. it doesn't have to make a lot of sense

also even if you don't believe Obama was born in this country, it doesn't mean you don't think he could still have America's best interests at heart (or whatever you believe the typical American president cares about)

obviously the argument is pretty much over now

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:17 (fourteen years ago)

So, how about the ISI? It's like Pakistan has two groups in charge, where one is this independent military group and one pretending to be a legitimate government and neither is that effective.

If no one official in Pakistan knew that ObL was there, I'll eat my hat.

mh, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:17 (fourteen years ago)

Oh man it makes me feel a whole lot better about frogbs when I realize he doesn't even have a grasp on the basics.

the 'basics' AKA what was being reported in the news before I went to bed? sorry??

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:18 (fourteen years ago)

I don't really get it frogz; it's like you're trolling yourself...

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:18 (fourteen years ago)

I just heard OBL referred to on the radio as an "irreplaceable asset" for Pakistan by the reasonable Lawrence Wright, who notes that he was worth more to them (in US aid) alive than he was dead. Wright's assumption really is that Pakistan's military was protecting him to some degree. Which is not much of a surprise, but still comes off sour when spoken out loud.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:18 (fourteen years ago)

not understanding the difference between speculation and reportage of known facts, pretty key here for frogbs

I could see OBL as a card that Pakistan was debating when to play. Alive they get funds, but if they "found" him and turned him over, it'd be a boon for their reputation. Unfortunately, we kind of did that for them and now they're just standing around holding the bag.

mh, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:20 (fourteen years ago)

the first thing one of my coworkers did when he walked in was make a long-form death certificate joke

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:21 (fourteen years ago)

(I know that part of the conversation was about a million posts ago but I kind of refuse to participate in the nonsense that happened while I was gone)

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:21 (fourteen years ago)

I don't really get it frogz; it's like you're trolling yourself...

society's fault? no. you trolled yourself

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:22 (fourteen years ago)

i'm regretting getting sucked into it myself

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:23 (fourteen years ago)

i don't really think how he was killed is exactly relevant here i was just saying the way they were trumpeting partroitism was pretty amusing, geraldo was pretty histerical about this and i found it odd and a little scary

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:23 (fourteen years ago)

no one in my office has mentioned it yet.
national guard out particularly strong in the subways; four guys with camo and rifles at the 34th street stop looking particularly icy

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:23 (fourteen years ago)

society's fault? no. you trolled yourself

― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, May 2, 2011 2:22 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

???

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:24 (fourteen years ago)

ice-t reference iirc

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:25 (fourteen years ago)

no, I don't think the whole thing is; like, my Dad thinks he was not born in America, but also thinks the rule that you can't be U.S. President if you weren't born here is stupid and doesn't think he should be thrown out or anything, just maybe a result of reading some bad blogs or something

belatedly: this is awesome, & kinda like the michele bachmann thing whereby the argument rests not on one's compliance with law or receipt of information, but on the grace of the other side - bachman deigning to 'take him at his word', & ol' man frogbs equanimity in overlooking dumb laws and those who flaunt them

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:26 (fourteen years ago)

I'm mad because the link to the insane song is way up in the middle of the nonsense and I am exercising my right as an American to lazily whine about how I have to exert effort to get something easily obtainable

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:27 (fourteen years ago)

was lollin' all day at MJ GONE -- OUR NIGGA DEAD

flopson, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:27 (fourteen years ago)

ice-t reference iirc

thank God

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:27 (fourteen years ago)

anyone else find themselves surprisingly elated by the news? wouldn't have expected to give a shit really. guess i've been reading too much hitchens.

http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:28 (fourteen years ago)

national guard out particularly strong in the subways; four guys with camo and rifles at the 34th street stop looking particularly icy

this is good. I could totally see something happening this week.

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:28 (fourteen years ago)

do you really?

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:29 (fourteen years ago)

a foreign policy dude i check for (but don't agree with about very much) gives his take

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/bin-laden-killed-5674519

nothing earth shattering really!

goole, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:30 (fourteen years ago)

like i know i'm a midwestern rube who lives in an unimportant city, but (honest q) are ppl really expecting swift, successful retribution for this? i've never really bought the idea that obl was, like, a folk hero. dude facilitated terrorism, but i can't imagine he ~inspired~ it.

maybe i'm wrong, but i never got a "revolutionary" vibe

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:31 (fourteen years ago)

I think it's ok to feel elated, OBL killed 3K of my neighbords. How often do people like him never have to pay the piper? I'm thinking of Pol Pot and Pinochet living to be old men when they, too, deserved bullets to the brain.

thirdalternative, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:32 (fourteen years ago)

Uh, neighbors.

thirdalternative, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:32 (fourteen years ago)

that is: i doubt there are fencesitters out there who, upon hearing of osama's demise, suddenly felt compelled to do a terrorism

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:33 (fourteen years ago)

so i'm being interviewed by BBC World in like 45 minutes live -- idk, if anyone wants to watch...

Mordy, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:33 (fourteen years ago)

four guys with camo and rifles at the 34th street stop looking particularly icy

Haven't these guys been around bigger stations since 9/11 tho? Maybe not the subway but I used to see them all the time in Penn. Wait - isn't that where the 34th st stop is?

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:34 (fourteen years ago)

Interpol is warning to be extra alert for retaliatory attacks

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:34 (fourteen years ago)

p sure that osama ranks pretty low on the scale of history's greatest monsters, certainly several rungs below pol pot

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:34 (fourteen years ago)

I'm really just nitpicking, but alternatively referring to OBL as a "mastermind" of 9/11 and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed the same way doesn't really strike me as great terminology.

mh, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:35 (fourteen years ago)

Interpol is warning to be extra alert for retaliatory attacks

all I gave them was one lousy bad review.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:36 (fourteen years ago)

wait waht, Mordy?

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:36 (fourteen years ago)

haha yeah that was a little throwaway

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:37 (fourteen years ago)

I called into NPR this morning to share my experience re 9/11 + bin laden and they called me to do a live interview at 3:15EST over Skype

Mordy, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:37 (fourteen years ago)

mordy is that a 'man on the street' thing, or are you a seal or something

xp lol well done sir!

goole, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:37 (fourteen years ago)

My Dinner With Osama

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:37 (fourteen years ago)

man on the street thing -- i don't even get BBC World tho, does this kind of thing get published online so i can link my parents to it and make them proud?

Mordy, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:38 (fourteen years ago)

don't forget to tell them about lorax

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:40 (fourteen years ago)

Mordy:

http://www.headshift.com/blog/seal-of-approval.jpg

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:41 (fourteen years ago)

I think I'm going to be on for like a minute, lol

Mordy, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:41 (fourteen years ago)

major love tho if any of you are able to tape/record whatever it...

Mordy, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:41 (fourteen years ago)

can you work in a mention to the Hot Rod song?

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:42 (fourteen years ago)

If you throw in a "Suck my cheesesteak, Morbius" I will paypal you one trillion dollars.

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:43 (fourteen years ago)

Honestly, I never gave much weight to threats of terrorist retaliation and doomsday scenarios or whatever. Like, if the stated goal of Al Qaeda is the destruction/defeat of the US, why would they sit on the means to achieve that? Like, "Oh, shit, you killed Bin Laden?! Now it's on! Now it's serious! Doomsday scenario: go!!!"

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:44 (fourteen years ago)

http://feministing.com/2011/05/02/bin-laden-obama-and-the-democrats-shameless-together/

feministing posts something by a philosophy prof at hampshire.

little bit different take than what you'll see in most places today...

goole, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:44 (fourteen years ago)

Bin Laden hid behind women in firefight: White House

Alba, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:45 (fourteen years ago)

"I believe, Mr. Radio Personality, that he was actually killed by my friend Erica's dog Benson, not Navy Seals."

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:45 (fourteen years ago)

one trillion dollars is a lot of money!

Mordy, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:46 (fourteen years ago)

good luck, Mordy. Now we need you at The Corner.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:46 (fourteen years ago)

stated goal of Al Qaeda is the destruction/defeat of the US, why would they sit on the means to achieve that? Like, "Oh, shit, you killed Bin Laden?! Now it's on! Now it's serious! Doomsday scenario: go!!!"

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, May 2, 2011 1:44 PM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark

p much how i feel, too. like maybe the dude had a "if/when i'm dead" killswitch plot or something but if Al Qaeda were actually able to commit atrocities on American soil, they'd be doing it.

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:47 (fourteen years ago)

I honestly do not know how legitimate the danger of retaliation from Al-Qaeda is, but the impression I got so far is that Fox News is selling it p hard to the American people to, I assume, build up a case against withdrawing troops from the Middle East and ending the War on Terror--my guess is that they are afraid that will be Obama's next move.

I also think that if this whole 'deather' thing happens, it will probably hit full-force if & when Obama starts pulling out troops...

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:49 (fourteen years ago)

Frum:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/05/02/frum.binladen.obama/index.html?hpt=T2

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:49 (fourteen years ago)

Who were the others killed, btw?

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:51 (fourteen years ago)

woman shield, his son, two bodyguards iirc

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:52 (fourteen years ago)

0.637 miles, 1.026 km from the Pakistan military academy.

http://i54.tinypic.com/35cl6oj.jpg

uses titanium spork without irony (Sanpaku), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:53 (fourteen years ago)

http://i54.tinypic.com/35cl6oj.jpg

uses titanium spork without irony (Sanpaku), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:53 (fourteen years ago)

There was speculation that OBL's youngest wife was in the house, and supposedly he was using a woman as a human shield and she died in a crossfire, so it sounds likely it was her.

mh, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:53 (fourteen years ago)

daniel larison with the cold water

http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2011/05/02/fighting-the-hydra/

Obviously, losing prominent individual leaders hurts insurgencies and terrorist groups, but in the way we talk about these figures we tend to exaggerate greatly how important they are as part of the larger conflict. We have seen the latest version of this in the recent “accidental” assassination attempts on Gaddafi, as if Gaddafi’s death would force his sons to surrender rather than fight on. Indeed, the more that Americans come to believe that killing individual leaders is a ready-made solution to policy problems, the easier it will be to sell supposedly low-risk, promiscuous interventionism facilitated by missile strikes or special forces. It also helps to keep people from thinking very much about any of the other things that stoke jihadism and insurgency, and it encourages the false comfort that we just need to kill enough of the right people to prevail.

goole, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:54 (fourteen years ago)

belatedly: this is awesome, & kinda like the michele bachmann thing whereby the argument rests not on one's compliance with law or receipt of information, but on the grace of the other side - bachman deigning to 'take him at his word', & ol' man frogbs equanimity in overlooking dumb laws and those who flaunt them

tbh I never really know what he's on about, he also believes that 9/11 was an inside job and all that. he was in the air force for a good 15 years and claims to have worked on the iraq war...to his credit he's been able to predict most of the major developements in the war and the mortgage crisis way ahead of time; i don't really take much of what he says too seriously but I don't really think he's racist either. if he is then he's getting some form of poetic justice because all three of his sons have either married or are engaged to women from different countries including pakistan

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:56 (fourteen years ago)

xp to Mordy - well done, and if my impressions of BBC World are anything to go by, you'll be on hourly in businessman's hotels worldwide for the next year or so

Ismael Klata, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:57 (fourteen years ago)

wait, Mordy's doing pr0n?

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:58 (fourteen years ago)

Exciting! I'll be a minor businessman hotel celebrity.

Mordy, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:58 (fourteen years ago)

Also, how long before the first "kill Osama Scarface-style" mods/mission packs are released for Socom/MW2/etc? I remember the original batch of Counterstrike mods being out within 48 hours

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:58 (fourteen years ago)

be sure to wave a "recognizably human" flag

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:00 (fourteen years ago)

COUNTER TERRORISTS WIN

Next map: cs_Libya

cozeny mubarak (cozen), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:00 (fourteen years ago)

i'm two-thirds white btw

― dell (del), Monday, 2 May 2011 15:33 (3 hours ago)

what, do you have two dads and a mom?

but I want a bongo drum (CaptainLorax), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:01 (fourteen years ago)

re: Obama's speech. Perfect for the non-elitist core he's trying to win votes from

but I want a bongo drum (CaptainLorax), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:02 (fourteen years ago)

or one parent full white & one 1/6 white

flopson, Monday, 2 May 2011 19:03 (fourteen years ago)

George F. Will, vindicating John Kerry:

Barack Obama, in his pitch-perfect address informing the nation that bin Laden is as dead as communism — never mind the cadaverous Cuban and North Korean regimes — rightly stressed that this is “the most significant achievement to date” against al-Qaeda, but that it “does not mark the end of” our effort to defeat that amorphous entity. Perhaps, however, America can use this occasion to draw a deep breath and some pertinent conclusions.

Many salient facts about the tracking of terrorism’s most prolific killer to his lair — some lair: not a remote cave but an urban compound — must remain shrouded in secrecy, for now. But one surmise seems reasonable: bin Laden was brought down by intelligence gathering that more resembles excellent police work than a military operation.

Granted, in nations as violent as Afghanistan and Pakistan, the line between military operations and police work is blurry, and military and other forms of intelligence gathering cannot be disentangled. Still, the enormous military footprint in Afghanistan, next door to bin Laden’s Pakistan refuge, seems especially disproportionate in the wake of his elimination by a small cadre of specialists.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:03 (fourteen years ago)

more capn lorax itt imo

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:04 (fourteen years ago)

or one parent full white & one 1/6 white

― flopson, Monday, May 2, 2011 7:03 PM (42 seconds ago)

second part made me lol

but I want a bongo drum (CaptainLorax), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:05 (fourteen years ago)

or 3 1/3 parents

but I want a bongo drum (CaptainLorax), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:05 (fourteen years ago)

Turns out I had the wrong compound. Its actually 0.899 mi, 1.447 km from Pakistan's West Point according to the New York Times. No good Google accomodations reviews.

uses titanium spork without irony (Sanpaku), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:06 (fourteen years ago)

btw do you think Eric Holder personally ordered ObL to be taken dead only? Fuckabunchatribunals

jeezus, George Will sounding like Michael Moore 9-1/2 years ago.

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:07 (fourteen years ago)

That's pretty progressive for George Will

mh, Monday, 2 May 2011 19:08 (fourteen years ago)

will has been letting his isolationist streak show for a long time!

goole, Monday, 2 May 2011 19:09 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiDyrkU0WAQ

uses titanium spork without irony (Sanpaku), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:11 (fourteen years ago)

an onion classic

http://www.theonion.com/articles/osama-bin-laden-found-inside-each-of-us,1131/

jay lenonononono (abanana), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:12 (fourteen years ago)

Will has a survivor's script; his career is full of pivots away from potential self-immolations.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:13 (fourteen years ago)

script = instinct

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:13 (fourteen years ago)

This is slightly bizarre. Two days ago i was reading a 'moronic Youtube comment' and someone actually wrote "Bin Laden is dead". It was just a throw away comment but the timing is wow for me.

if you wanna gamble, take that shit to vegas (Ste), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:17 (fourteen years ago)

Was it Bill Pullman? If so I might have an explanation but it's really confusing and includes Balthazar Getty.

SteakNique (®2011 Ulillillia) (Phil D.), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:18 (fourteen years ago)

I'm still interested in accidental twitter celebrity guy who was in abbottabad to get away from it all and ended up hearing the helicopters show up

mh, Monday, 2 May 2011 19:18 (fourteen years ago)

he heard some helicopters

That Dunkster! (absolutely clean glasses), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:19 (fourteen years ago)

Wait, was that you, Mordy?

"It is a form of justice, and I like the fact that we did it..."

jaymc, Monday, 2 May 2011 19:20 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd79AJWHMDI

Pleasant Plains, Monday, 2 May 2011 19:21 (fourteen years ago)

yeah - mordechai <-- me

Mordy, Monday, 2 May 2011 19:23 (fourteen years ago)

was it okay?

Mordy, Monday, 2 May 2011 19:23 (fourteen years ago)

i feel like maybe i was a little flustered lol

Mordy, Monday, 2 May 2011 19:24 (fourteen years ago)

They just played a brief clip of an unidentified American voice. If that was you, it sounded fine!

jaymc, Monday, 2 May 2011 19:25 (fourteen years ago)

or 3 1/3 parents

duh, yeah! you people...

dell (del), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:29 (fourteen years ago)

mordy if you can tell me exactly what time you were on I can get it for you

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:30 (fourteen years ago)

around 3:14-3:23

Mordy, Monday, 2 May 2011 19:31 (fourteen years ago)

just joshing your chain del

but I want a bongo drum (CaptainLorax), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:32 (fourteen years ago)

(EST)

Mordy, Monday, 2 May 2011 19:32 (fourteen years ago)

Obviously, losing prominent individual leaders hurts insurgencies and terrorist groups, but in the way we talk about these figures we tend to exaggerate greatly how important they are as part of the larger conflict.

So Osama bin Laden is the Bernie Madoff of radical Islam?

more horses after the main event (Eazy), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:36 (fourteen years ago)

like i know i'm a midwestern rube who lives in an unimportant city, but (honest q) are ppl really expecting swift, successful retribution for this? i've never really bought the idea that obl was, like, a folk hero. dude facilitated terrorism, but i can't imagine he ~inspired~ it.

maybe i'm wrong, but i never got a "revolutionary" vibe
--cop a cute abdomen (gbx)

nah I more just meant 'lone gunman type decides this would be a good time to pull some shit'. I'm prob just paranoid tho.

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 19:40 (fourteen years ago)

Friend on FB put terrorist in scare quotes when describing OBL ("you know, I'm glad we killed this 'terrorist' and all but...")

Cunga, Monday, 2 May 2011 19:46 (fourteen years ago)

hahaha wow

some dude, Monday, 2 May 2011 19:47 (fourteen years ago)

manson never actually killed anybody either

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:48 (fourteen years ago)

he was a freedom fighter, fighting freedom wherever it may be

gainfully trˆᴥˆlled (blueski), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:49 (fourteen years ago)

so he wasn't here then?

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=34.187546,73.242596&spn=0.001296,0.002216&t=h&z=19

nultybutnice (whatever), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:52 (fourteen years ago)

chris hedges: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/chris_hedges_speaks_on_osama_bin_ladens_death_20110502/

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:57 (fourteen years ago)

And here we go:

A leading Republican senator on Monday questioned the U.S. government's decision to dispose of Osama bin Laden's body within 24 hours.

Bin Laden, the former al Qaeda leader killed by U.S. forces on Sunday, was buried at sea within 24 hours of his death in accordance with Islamic law. Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.), a top Republican on the Armed Services Committee, is skeptical of the decision.

"To me, that didn't make a lot of sense," Graham said during an interview with conservative radio talk show host Laura Ingraham.

SteakNique (®2011 Ulillillia) (Phil D.), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:57 (fourteen years ago)

xpp
"I also vowed not to brush my teeth"

but I want a bongo drum (CaptainLorax), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:59 (fourteen years ago)

Makes perfect sense, if you don't want to make the US look like haters of Islam.

mh, Monday, 2 May 2011 19:59 (fourteen years ago)

xxp "I spent my first five minutes crying and then I couldn't get it off fast enough"

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:59 (fourteen years ago)

yeah a lot of people are posting that on fb right now "why did we dispose of the body so quickly? is he really dead or yak yak yak"

as though this wouldn't have been a much bigger story in like, 2004

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 20:00 (fourteen years ago)

xxp "I spent my first five minutes crying and then I couldn't get it off fast enough"

if he'd been a little slower, maybe he wouldn't have gotten so bloody

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 20:01 (fourteen years ago)

teacher kinda looked a lot like obl, makes you wonder...

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 May 2011 20:01 (fourteen years ago)

wait mordy killed osama I'm confused this is moving too fast

estkella (k3vin k.), Monday, 2 May 2011 20:04 (fourteen years ago)

mordy read the last rites getitrite

nultybutnice (whatever), Monday, 2 May 2011 20:05 (fourteen years ago)

congratulations, Mordy

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 20:05 (fourteen years ago)

chris hedges piece is real good

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Monday, 2 May 2011 20:12 (fourteen years ago)

How could Politico and The Hill not realize Rush Limbaugh was being sarcastic?

curmudgeon, Monday, 2 May 2011 20:15 (fourteen years ago)

i don't really think how he was killed is exactly relevant here i was just saying the way they were trumpeting partroitism was pretty amusing, geraldo was pretty histerical about this and i found it odd and a little scary

― frogbs, Monday, May 2, 2011 6:23 PM (1 hour ago)

as a dude who saw this same thing, i can guarantee you that you were the last viewer in the world to catch on that he had been shot, since they hadnt spent much time talking about anything else on fox

speaking of which, did anyone else see the creepy midnight fox dude open with "today, usama bin laden found out that the promise of 72 virgins was bunk"? classy.

The Band Perry is the drummer for Gay Dad (jjjusten), Monday, 2 May 2011 20:16 (fourteen years ago)

so glad i got rid of cable

goole, Monday, 2 May 2011 20:17 (fourteen years ago)

"it's only 49"

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 20:18 (fourteen years ago)

xxp that may be so, was in a card game at the time so only was half-paying attention

my bad guys

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 20:21 (fourteen years ago)

it's 49 virgins, the problem is they're all virginal cobras.

omar little, Monday, 2 May 2011 20:22 (fourteen years ago)

This doesn't necessarily re-elect Obama, anymore than the first Gulf War re-elected Daddy Bush (Leno right after the victory: "And for Saddam Hussein, the ultimate punishment: he'll be the Democratic nominee!")

dow, Monday, 2 May 2011 20:22 (fourteen years ago)

yeah though imagine how baller it would have been if obama just disappeared from his campaign for a few days and emerged with the corpse a few weeks before the 2012 election - it would be like if Michael Jackson was 25 years younger and got to compete on American Idol; just not fair

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 20:25 (fourteen years ago)

i think it will work better for obama than gulf war 1 did for bush sr, if only because it's fairly momentous symbolically as opposed to a half-assed invasion that sorta entered iraq, shrugged its shoulders, and exited.

omar little, Monday, 2 May 2011 20:26 (fourteen years ago)

I can see your boner from here.

xpost

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 20:26 (fourteen years ago)

I've got video of local coverage following Gov. Clinton around, when he hadn't decided yet to run for president. Clinton tells the reporter, "First of all, we've got a war winner in the White House and this country has never turned out a war winner…"

Pleasant Plains, Monday, 2 May 2011 20:27 (fourteen years ago)

i mean everyone's been chasing OBL for more than a decade and he actually directly fucked/w the US, i don't think anyone even knew what the hell the gulf war was about, it was just this weird shit with rockets and bad styx songs.

omar little, Monday, 2 May 2011 20:27 (fourteen years ago)

http://totallycoolpix.com/2011/05/osama-bin-laden-is-dead-celebrations/

All the celebrating is a little weird.

not_goodwin, Monday, 2 May 2011 20:28 (fourteen years ago)

i think this is just as empty symbolically but this particular empty symbolism will play better than GW1

omar little, Monday, 2 May 2011 20:28 (fourteen years ago)

i mean everyone's been chasing OBL for more than a decade and he actually directly fucked/w the US, i don't think anyone even knew what the hell the gulf war was about, it was just this weird shit with rockets and bad styx songs.

― omar little, Monday, May 2, 2011 4:27 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

Saddam Hussein is Kilroy!

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 2 May 2011 20:29 (fourteen years ago)

wtf is up with Rob Lowe hanging with fire fighters?

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 20:29 (fourteen years ago)

(I guess this must have been hashed out upthread, but what exactly did Obama actually do? Was it like he appointed some guys who did this or was it just that a bunch of existing CIA ops came to him and asked his permission to do a thing?)

Gravel Puzzleworth, Monday, 2 May 2011 20:30 (fourteen years ago)

obama scurried down a rope from a helicopter and killed bin laden, from what i understand

omar little, Monday, 2 May 2011 20:31 (fourteen years ago)

http://latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/obama_2.jpg?w=334?w=281

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 20:34 (fourteen years ago)

Inglourious Basterds II

xp

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 May 2011 20:35 (fourteen years ago)

Washington Monthly:

In June 2009, Obama directed his CIA director to "provide me within 30 days a detailed operation plan for locating and bringing to justice" Osama Bin Laden. By August 2010 intelligence officials had identified the suspicious compound where Osama lived.

Dickerson's description of the president's efforts as "hands-on" seems especially apt given what we know. It was Obama who instructed the CIA to make targeting bin Laden a top priority, breaking with his predecessor. It was Obama who oversaw five national security meetings to oversee plans for this operation. It was Obama who chose this mission, made final preparations, and gave the order.

curmudgeon, Monday, 2 May 2011 20:36 (fourteen years ago)

oooh, big brave obama!

not_goodwin, Monday, 2 May 2011 20:40 (fourteen years ago)

i wonder what, if any, benefit there would've been to bringing this guy in alive.

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 May 2011 20:41 (fourteen years ago)

1. we could make sure his execution happened october 2012

iatee, Monday, 2 May 2011 20:42 (fourteen years ago)

The benefit to the right wing would have been enormous!

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 20:42 (fourteen years ago)

really, think of all the things you could do with an osama bin laden

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Monday, 2 May 2011 20:43 (fourteen years ago)

lot of deathers out their on the internetsz today...

confederate terror anchor babies (will), Monday, 2 May 2011 20:43 (fourteen years ago)

out there

confederate terror anchor babies (will), Monday, 2 May 2011 20:45 (fourteen years ago)

Whoever figured out an angle on getting the most viewers for media coverage of his incarceration/trial would be a bazillionaire.

mh, Monday, 2 May 2011 20:45 (fourteen years ago)

The rightwingers would want to personally waterboard him before allowing a military tribunal proceeding with guest judge Donald Trump or Antonin Scalia

curmudgeon, Monday, 2 May 2011 20:45 (fourteen years ago)

didn't we have a thread after MJ died about what the biggest celeb death news story could be after that point?

some dude, Monday, 2 May 2011 20:48 (fourteen years ago)

did anyone mention OBL?

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 20:50 (fourteen years ago)

One underreported angle is that Whitney Houston lost a megafan.

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Monday, 2 May 2011 20:51 (fourteen years ago)

All the celebrating is a little weird.

http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/21/2100/TYQ2D00Z/posters/times-square-on-vj-day-1945.jpg

this was after we dropped atom bombs on two Japanese cities when Japan had actively been seeking to negotiate a surrender treaty since April

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 20:58 (fourteen years ago)

so I mean "gruesome" ok but "weird," no, it's what we do

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 2 May 2011 20:58 (fourteen years ago)

Ha, you have a point!

Go USA!

fubar.

not_goodwin, Monday, 2 May 2011 21:00 (fourteen years ago)

didn't we have a thread after MJ died about what the biggest celeb death news story could be after that point?

― some dude, Monday, May 2, 2011 4:48 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

did anyone mention OBL?

― frogbs, Monday, May 2, 2011 4:50 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah iirc he was one of the big ones agreed upon in the thread but i thought it'd be interesting to re-read now, just have no idea what it was called

some dude, Monday, 2 May 2011 21:00 (fourteen years ago)

it's what we do

yeah, the "we" = human beings

normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:07 (fourteen years ago)

people like to party

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:14 (fourteen years ago)

they like, they like to party

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:17 (fourteen years ago)

http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2011/5/2/0/enhanced-buzz-18374-1304310822-12.jpg

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:18 (fourteen years ago)

haha damn dude

goole, Monday, 2 May 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)

damn!!!

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)

lol

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQxwYpC0W78GD6JtxSrbEFMKidSYLCf-Fk6vO2rvUZYhd6Zallz

omar little, Monday, 2 May 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)

30 ppl liked that? smdh

xp lol

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:21 (fourteen years ago)

"Unlike" is a nice detail

goole, Monday, 2 May 2011 21:21 (fourteen years ago)

lol omar

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:21 (fourteen years ago)

for the love of god never post about rebecca black or justin bieber on facebook

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 21:22 (fourteen years ago)

Obama should have killed you too.

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:24 (fourteen years ago)

(j/k <3)

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:24 (fourteen years ago)

Historical analogies can so often be misleading, but consider
(1) The first Gulf War was also considering hugely symbolic at the time: America is Back, Bitch! Our Long National Nightmare of Post-Vietnam Syndrome and OPEC Buggery Is Over! Plus, Western Civilization would grind to a halt if Hussein kept Kuwait, so there were also practical considerations. Also practical, if a pisser: after building up all that war fever, he didn't actually try to take over Iraq. (2) This smoldering pisser aspect added to the evidence that he wasn't really One of Us (sound familiar?), a notion long nurtured on the left and right. Conservative Michael Barone's class-paper-handy Almanac Of American Politics had long since summed up the view of New England aristo/Texas oil baron/Republican waterboy/DC apprachnik Bush as not really representing anybody (ie, the responsible centrist, to his admirers and and sufficient voters in '88). As such, lots of professional, necessary asskissing and mantras, of course. But going from "Read my lips: No New Taxes" toasted him, Gulf War or no. Reagan said, " He doesn't seem to stand for anything." Of course, when peace, prosperity and a BALANCED BUDGET appeared in the bubblicious Clinton years, the Republicans then said Bush's taxes had made all this possible. Maybe so, but either taxes undid the done deal of his re-election. The point: no matter a moment's glory, it all comes down to the mon-nay. Sorry for being so obv, but still.

dow, Monday, 2 May 2011 21:30 (fourteen years ago)

xp not without a warrant, he'd be deported to whatever his home country is

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 21:30 (fourteen years ago)

xp: who are you talking to

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:31 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/5680724572/in/set-72157626507626189/

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:32 (fourteen years ago)

that story i linked upthread has this headline on yahoo's frontpage that makes me lol every time

"Teacher’s vow to keep beard finally ends with bin Laden’s death"

omar little, Monday, 2 May 2011 21:33 (fourteen years ago)

What would have happened if Bin Laden and, I dunno, Bob Dylan died at the same time? I think the world would have exploded.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 May 2011 21:33 (fourteen years ago)

xpost Is that a joke? Does the dude have a 10 year Rip Van Winkle beard?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 May 2011 21:34 (fourteen years ago)

*considered* not "considering", going from "Read My Lips: No New Taxes" *to taxes* but either *way* (sorry)

dow, Monday, 2 May 2011 21:34 (fourteen years ago)

http://mit.zenfs.com/102/2011/05/Screen-shot-2011-05-02-at-3.37.50-PM.png

omar little, Monday, 2 May 2011 21:35 (fourteen years ago)

obama in that pic (and more and more often these days) has a look that says "a man shouldn't have to see this shit"

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:35 (fourteen years ago)

Wow, that beard is downright ... Bin Laden-like.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 May 2011 21:35 (fourteen years ago)

http://media.komonews.com/images/110502_gary_weddle.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 May 2011 21:35 (fourteen years ago)

xp to Dow: Obama did the whole No Tax Cuts for the Rich instead (but he didn't turn it into a catchphrase I don't think)

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:36 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.thetoque.com/images/stories/osama_bin_laden_shave_beard.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 May 2011 21:37 (fourteen years ago)

I get (music) press pix just like all of those all the time (ditto like J. Loughner, or however you spell the name of Giffords' shooter)

dow, Monday, 2 May 2011 21:38 (fourteen years ago)

omigod Osama is John Turturro!

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:40 (fourteen years ago)

for the first time (that I've seen), today of all days, the pimps outside (3 of them) are walking around with strollers with actual babies in them, and tied to the strollers, are colorful balloons

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:40 (fourteen years ago)

9/11 is officially over

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:40 (fourteen years ago)

from now on dial 679 for all emergencies

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:41 (fourteen years ago)

obama in that pic (and more and more often these days) has a look that says "a man shouldn't have to see this shit"

funny, but that photo makes obama look like the least imposing and charismatic person in the room, shoulder-peering lady excepted. also, he looks like michael from the office in a particularly downcast moment.

normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:42 (fourteen years ago)

Pakistan’s military and intelligence service takes risks that others would not dare take because Pakistan’s generals believe their nuclear deterrent keeps them safe from regime change of the sort underway in Libya, and because they have discovered over the years that the rest of the world sees them as too big to fail. Unfortunately, they probably are correct in their analysis; some countries, like some investment banks, do pose systemic risks so great that they are too big to fail, and Pakistan is currently the A.I.G. of nation-states. But that should not stop American prosecutors from following the law here as they would whenever any mass killer’s hideout is discovered.

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:42 (fourteen years ago)

they all look like theyre watching 2 girls 1 cup in that flickr pic

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:43 (fourteen years ago)

I'd like to think if A.I.G. was harboring Bin Laden, we would have at least thought twice about a bailout.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 May 2011 21:45 (fourteen years ago)

Biden looks like someone's uncle from out of town.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:45 (fourteen years ago)

http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2011/5/2/0/enhanced-buzz-18367-1304310945-10.jpg

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:51 (fourteen years ago)

what's a coonce?

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:52 (fourteen years ago)

when a man and a woman love each other very much

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:52 (fourteen years ago)

http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2011/5/2/0/enhanced-buzz-18343-1304311802-21.jpg

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:53 (fourteen years ago)

they all look like theyre watching 2 girls 1 cup in that flickr pic

― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, May 2, 2011 4:43 PM Bookmark

Pretty sure that's what's the digitally altered photo on Hillary's laptop.

Pleasant Plains, Monday, 2 May 2011 21:54 (fourteen years ago)

http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2011/5/2/0/enhanced-buzz-18377-1304312378-18.jpg

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:54 (fourteen years ago)

Speaking of "in case/Break glass", Wolf Blitzer said there's one more Osama tape coming, and that his (Blitzer's) Twitter followers are begging him not to play it, not to inspire etc. (but a Cliff's Notes would be okay apparently)No wonder they call it The Situation Room!

dow, Monday, 2 May 2011 21:56 (fourteen years ago)

it's probably the equivilent of that horrible MICHAEL album

frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 21:57 (fourteen years ago)

so now Michael Jackson is a terrorist

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:03 (fourteen years ago)

this was after we dropped atom bombs on two Japanese cities when Japan had actively been seeking to negotiate a surrender treaty since April
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, May 2, 2011 3:58 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark

to be fair, those people in times square didn't know about that

the usa is pretty horrible, though. just gotta post some MLK now:

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that"

by another name (amateurist), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:11 (fourteen years ago)

frogbs got banned :(

bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:12 (fourteen years ago)

they all look like theyre watching 2 girls 1 cup in that flickr pic

lol - they do look absolutely aghast, like they've just seen something horrific. eek.

good quote, amateurist, and i agree with it.

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:13 (fourteen years ago)

xp mlk better man than i am tbh, though i can't really muster any more jubilation than "good"

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:13 (fourteen years ago)

does this mean we can stop doing "god bless america" at yankee stadium now? PLEEEEASE?

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:14 (fourteen years ago)

let us not rest on our laurels now that frogbs is banned, for there may be acts of retaliation

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:14 (fourteen years ago)

frogbs got banned :(

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/907264/what-no-the-happening-o.gif

omar little, Monday, 2 May 2011 22:14 (fourteen years ago)

MLK was also a Christian, which I am not

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:14 (fourteen years ago)

xp mlk better man than i am tbh, though i can't really muster any more jubilation than "good"

― And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu)

pretty much how i feel, more on the grim satisfaction tip than anything i guess.

omar little, Monday, 2 May 2011 22:15 (fourteen years ago)

i have to admit i felt a bit of joy when i heard the news. though mostly i was relieved that the "pending important statement on national security" was not "FUCK THE MARTIANS ARE HERE!"

so i understand, or at least can broadly empathize with, those who celebrated in the immediate aftermath. (that said, the stuff outside the WH was incredibly tacky--just a bunch of college kids doing what college kids do, but this time they get to feel like they are justified in world-historical terms. )

that doesn't mean that this reaction isn't base.

by another name (amateurist), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:18 (fourteen years ago)

Japan had actively been seeking to negotiate a surrender treaty since April

i guess this qualifies as a factoid, just, but it kind of suggests that... japan was actively seeking to surrender. just a little bit more complex than that.

lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:18 (fourteen years ago)

are you guys still talking about frogbs?

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:19 (fourteen years ago)

my mom called me yesterday all, I hope americans don't fuck with muslims around here or people who they think are muslims just because

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:19 (fourteen years ago)

xxxpost i was seriously worried that we'd either been attacked or that he had a terminal illness or something. so my first reaction was THANK GOD, POSITIVE NEWS.

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:19 (fourteen years ago)

lmao omar

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:20 (fourteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/Co6ap.png

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:20 (fourteen years ago)

pretty sure MLK was talking about frogbs

That Dunkster! (absolutely clean glasses), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:20 (fourteen years ago)

good man hm

Ismael Klata, Monday, 2 May 2011 22:22 (fourteen years ago)

lol @ tamtam

thread assessor (latebloomer), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:24 (fourteen years ago)

After Japan/Libya/Syria/tornadoes, the good news is another death? But yeah, grim satisfaction is not too bad. (which reminds me: Charlie Sheen is now in Tuscaloosa--local weatherman: "That's all the help we need." What the hell, maybe he's still got some money)

dow, Monday, 2 May 2011 22:24 (fourteen years ago)

was pretty sure obama was gonna discuss the "killing Qaddafi's family" thing initially.
btw, there was an earlier article i read that said it was bush's people who leaked the bin laden info to the press before the conference as a "fuck you" gesture... anybody got a link that confirms?

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:27 (fourteen years ago)

http://streetbonersandtvcarnage.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Screen-shot-2011-05-02-at-9.57.42-AM.png

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:30 (fourteen years ago)

was pretty sure obama was gonna discuss the "killing Qaddafi's family" thing initially.

we seem to have forgotten this already.

by another name (amateurist), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:32 (fourteen years ago)

btw, there was an earlier article i read that said it was bush's people who leaked the bin laden info to the press before the conference as a "fuck you" gesture... anybody got a link that confirms?

the bbc said that iirc rumsfeld's former press sec tweeted it. it would've been amusing if it was a full on WE GOT HIM thing claiming responsibility before the WH, though.

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:35 (fourteen years ago)

My particular take on celebrating an evil person's death comes from a midrash related to the Exodus narrative. The Jewish ppl have crossed the Red Sea successfully and watched the Egyptians drown and they celebrate on the shore. According to the midrash, the angels begin to celebrate in heaven in too and God rebukes them and says, "The Egyptians were my children too. How can you celebrate?" The angels are obviously chastened but the midrash makes note that God allows the Jewish ppl to celebrate bc they have what to celebrate about (they watched their oppressors drown in the sea). Afaic we have something to celebrate here. We can reflect somberly for a moment that any death is tragic, but I don't think that should severely temper any joy. Of course Christianity's big innovation of turn the other cheek makes celebrating death problematic. Not a problem for me tho!

Mordy, Monday, 2 May 2011 22:39 (fourteen years ago)

Purim is a good example of this phenomenon too -- Jews still celebrate Haman's death until today.

Mordy, Monday, 2 May 2011 22:40 (fourteen years ago)

Thanks for that, Mordy.

VegemiteGrrl, Monday, 2 May 2011 22:41 (fourteen years ago)

nah

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:41 (fourteen years ago)

I was happy to hear he was dead but I did not celebrate

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:41 (fourteen years ago)

Mordy OTM

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:41 (fourteen years ago)

I saw someone quip that we needed to end "all murder", guessing she didn't support the snipe hunt

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:42 (fourteen years ago)

do you think the majority of the "ding dong the witch is dead" crowd today would self-identify as Jews or non-Christians Mordy?

bell hops (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:43 (fourteen years ago)

I really think last night for some people, media or outside, was a giant dick-measuring contest to see who could react to the news most appropriately and ethically

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:43 (fourteen years ago)

the u.s. seems to have a really weird relationship to public celebration. when i was watching coverage of celebrations here, i knew they made me uncomfortable but still can't quite explain why.

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 22:43 (fourteen years ago)

i don't feel bad or upset that he's dead, but actually celebrating seems pretty grotesque

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:44 (fourteen years ago)

i really appreciate you sharing that mordy

i don't think i'm coming from quite the same place but i can dig that

estkella (k3vin k.), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:45 (fourteen years ago)

Not really a turn-the-other-cheek issue in a way - they went to get him, he resisted, they shot him in self-defence. The biggest wrong here was breaching international law by invading Pakistan. No revenge or even moral issue at all, if you frame it in those terms. I'm sure we all do.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 2 May 2011 22:46 (fourteen years ago)

yeah i agree with gbx. especially since just about all of us were pretty far removed from any kind of direct impact thanks to bin laden. and yeah, i was raised catholic, so there you go

NV - probably not

estkella (k3vin k.), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:47 (fourteen years ago)

I mean the celebrating is only a step removed from 'public hanging', which I find to be hideous and medieval, but it isn't like this was some kiddie fiddler that was murdered, ya know...I saw many friends of mine who are extremely passive even go out of character last night. also US perspective is tainted by the fact that it doesn't experience major terrorist attacks on its soil daily like some weary, beleaguered nations...

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:48 (fourteen years ago)

if this had happened under pres bush would there have been about half the celebration? or would the demographics have just looked differently

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 22:49 (fourteen years ago)

anyway a colleague of mine showed up to our final exam this morning LITERALLY DRAPED IN AN AMERICAN FLAG

estkella (k3vin k.), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:49 (fourteen years ago)

i just wonder if another country was in a equiv. situation and i saw them celebrating how would i feel

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 22:49 (fourteen years ago)

also THEY TOLD BIDEN -- all jokes aside i'm sure there were points where obama saw biden walk out the door after one of the five high priority briefings and went "jesus fucking christ..."

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 22:50 (fourteen years ago)

this was after we dropped atom bombs on two Japanese cities when Japan had actively been seeking to negotiate a surrender treaty since April

― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, May 2, 2011 8:58 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

Celebrating the end of World War II is very different than celebrating one assassination.

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 2 May 2011 22:50 (fourteen years ago)

xxxxpost if it happened in the weeks to months following 9/11, reaction would have likely been more muted because of the proximity to the event and the continuing fear of ongoing attacks. if it had happened around 2003 or 2004, I'm willing to bet there'd have been 305 million barbeques within the surrounding 3 days.

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:50 (fourteen years ago)

as was mentioned before, the ppl celebrating were probably just college kids looking for an excuse to party

That Dunkster! (absolutely clean glasses), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:51 (fourteen years ago)

I missed all of the celebration because I was asleep; usually my first reaction to any large group of mostly white people cheering loudly about someone's death is "people in my family had to uproot their lives to avoid getting lynched as recently as the 1940s".

xp: with the "public hanging" comment I see I'm not the only one who gets flashes of this

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:52 (fourteen years ago)

also lol @ them outing KSM as one of the snitches -- maybe the most thinly veiled attempt to have him murdered by another inmate ever

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 22:52 (fourteen years ago)

definitely does seem weird to react "Osama's dead, hey, wanna shotgun some beers?".

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:52 (fourteen years ago)

frogbs used women as human shields

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 22:52 (fourteen years ago)

anyway a colleague of mine showed up to our final exam this morning LITERALLY DRAPED IN AN AMERICAN FLAG

― estkella (k3vin k.), Monday, May 2, 2011 6:49 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

i wore a team usa baseball jersey http://i.imgur.com/blXaG.gif

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:53 (fourteen years ago)

also mlk otm

estkella (k3vin k.), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:54 (fourteen years ago)

i think the "any excuse to part-ay" line is probably accurate.

fuck any sympathy for a belligerent murderer like Bin Laden, what makes me sad is more the notion that the end of level boss has been beat and the game has been won

bell hops (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:54 (fourteen years ago)

as was mentioned before, the ppl celebrating were probably just college kids looking for an excuse to party

― That Dunkster! (absolutely clean glasses), Monday, May 2, 2011 5:51 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

this

by another name (amateurist), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:54 (fourteen years ago)

so now we need to find out (I don't think we ever will) whether KSM shared the information after a few Marlboros and a Coke or he was tortured.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:54 (fourteen years ago)

btw I'm not going to lecture a relative of someone killed in the attacks about the proper way to celebrate or mourn.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:55 (fourteen years ago)

yes this was quite obvious -- but no one on TV was going to ruin their footage by saying that

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 22:55 (fourteen years ago)

Dr. Phibes was just holding court on ABC. Couldn't bring himself to say Obama's name: the administration deserves credit, and we owe "him" the same sense of satisfaction we all feel. Whatever that means.

clemenza, Monday, 2 May 2011 22:55 (fourteen years ago)

fuck any sympathy for a belligerent murderer like Bin Laden, what makes me sad is more the notion that the end of level boss has been beat and the game has been won

― bell hops (Noodle Vague)

bush and bin laden kickin it

http://ui32.gamespot.com/1535/bushbowser.jpg

omar little, Monday, 2 May 2011 22:57 (fourteen years ago)

btw I'm not going to lecture a relative of someone killed in the attacks about the proper way to celebrate or mourn.

i wouldn't lecture either but that doesn't mean i don't have an opinion about what's civilized or useful

bell hops (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:57 (fourteen years ago)

Our long national nightmare is over: love Lee Ann Womack, but I don't wanna hear "I Hope We Dance" again.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:57 (fourteen years ago)

btw I found most offensive the enthusiasm with which Facebook posters and the bottom run of right wing websites wrote a variation on "I hope the SEALS stuffed pork in this a-hole's mouth!" You could almost hear the sixth grade giggling and smirking.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:00 (fourteen years ago)

*bottom rung

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:00 (fourteen years ago)

don't mean to derail thread but looking at the GWB photo made me think again about how it's not entirely clear to me how he is any less moraly culpable for the deaths of 1,000s than OBL. yet he's living high on the hog in texas.

by another name (amateurist), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:01 (fourteen years ago)

well he's less morally culpable to the extent that he didn't say "let's go and deliberately kill 1000s of random people"

bell hops (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:02 (fourteen years ago)

He's "morally culpable" of something by approving torture and the invasion of a sovereign country, if that's what you mean.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:04 (fourteen years ago)

'a sovereign country' to quote michael moore

lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:08 (fourteen years ago)

said more or less the same thing in the US politics thread last night, but though i'm a card-carrying bleeding heart, i find it difficult to be weirded out or repulsed by the celebrations and juvenile trash-talk. it all seems pretty tame and predictable, honestly. people celebrate when their enemies die, especially the officially-sanctioned, level boss boogeymen. they always have and probably always will. to tell the truth, i'm more weirded out by my own indifference.

normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:08 (fourteen years ago)

^^^ absolutely

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:10 (fourteen years ago)

there's been general agreement since sep 12 2001 that killing bin laden would put the lid back on the hotpot of american anxiety that the attacks had stirred up - i don't think it will, but the fact that so many have believed it, for so long, will actually go some distance towards it - and the length of time involved strangely aids this i think

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:12 (fourteen years ago)

A confession: beyond relief that my uncle and a few friends were not in the kill zone on 9-11, I didn't feel much at all, other than recoil from the horror of paralysis: we had to Do Something, so Something Was Done.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:13 (fourteen years ago)

Erm--admin releases more details: didn't fire a shot, may not have picked up a weapon. (They said, I just didn't catch all of it.) Discussions of which will tie in with deaths of Khadaffi's son (the youngest and apparently most harmless, BBC says; plus grandchildren). But still.

dow, Monday, 2 May 2011 23:16 (fourteen years ago)

Reagan's attack on Libya also resulted in the death of a Qaddafi child (his adopted daughter).

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:17 (fourteen years ago)

Yes. Have they said what happened to the woman Bin Laden reportedly used as a human shield?

dow, Monday, 2 May 2011 23:20 (fourteen years ago)

Was the mission to capture Bin Laden or to kill him?

Alba, Monday, 2 May 2011 23:20 (fourteen years ago)

It was "kill or capture"

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:21 (fourteen years ago)

maybe this feels different in america, but this seems from here like a clear case of a bad guy getting his just deserts. will it stop terrorism? no. to call it an anticlimax would suggest people were anticipating a climax, which they haven't been for a long-ass time. wonder if he was even involved in terrorism in a significant way at this point.

i had heard the mission was just to kill.

lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:21 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.ajc.com/multimedia/dynamic/00921/bin_laden_2_921003c.jpg

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:22 (fourteen years ago)

http://swampland.time.com/2011/05/02/official-bin-laden-mission-was-kill-or-capture-not-just-kill/

ah it was kill or capture with a strong assumption that it would be the former. capture with extreme prejudice.

lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:23 (fourteen years ago)

I wouldn't have minded a trial, but because this White House has proven itself incompetent when it comes to dealing with the intricacies of criminal prosecution of terrorists, I'm glad this problem is now gone.

In addition, think of Hannah Arendt's fictionalized fantasia of what she would have wanted Eichmann's judge to say before his execution. I'll post it if I can find it.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:23 (fourteen years ago)

haha, best part is the AJC's caption "Osama bin Laden’s death is a “touchdown” for America, said VFW Post 5408 Cmdr. Steve Grillo in Acworth."

del griffith, Monday, 2 May 2011 23:24 (fourteen years ago)

Kinda surprised there wasn't more calls for them to post his head on a pike at GZ or the WH like he was fucking Cromwell or something.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:24 (fourteen years ago)

kill doesn't feel like the naturally best option to me, but was almost certainly the inevitable option

bell hops (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:25 (fourteen years ago)

nothing is more dangerous than a herd of 10-12 Americans occupying the same space simultaneously

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:25 (fourteen years ago)

Said they were prepared to capture, if no resistance, but considered that a remote possibility. Having him provide actionable intelligence might also have been a remote possibility, but retaliatory hostage-taking might well have been less remote (I'm thinkin)

dow, Monday, 2 May 2011 23:25 (fourteen years ago)

"Kill or capture" sounds like a fudge to me. They must have been planning to do one or the other when it came to it. "Kill if there's a danger to our forces", as in a police raid, is one thing. But I'm not sure that's what we're talking about, is it?

Alba, Monday, 2 May 2011 23:25 (fourteen years ago)

don't agree at all, i feel like if they could've viably took him alive for questioning or trial or whatever then they would've preferred that

bell hops (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:26 (fourteen years ago)

Just as you supported and carried out a policy of not wanting to share the earth with the Jewish people and the people of a number of other nations--as though you and your superiors had any right to determine who should and who should not inhabit the world--we find that no one, that is, no member of the human race, can be expected to share the world with you. This is the reason, and the only reason, you must hang

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:26 (fourteen years ago)

^^^^ Hannah Arendt

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:26 (fourteen years ago)

there was no way they were going to capture him -- it would just give the right more of an excuse to call Obama 'soft', and sad to say the average American generally wants blood.

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:27 (fourteen years ago)

the PR would never have allowed it

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:27 (fourteen years ago)

u don't think an eventual prosecution would've been better PR for the Obama admin than this vaguely murky disposal? not that i believe this was any kind of consideration

bell hops (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:28 (fourteen years ago)

haha, best part is the AJC's caption "Osama bin Laden’s death is a “touchdown” for America, said VFW Post 5408 Cmdr. Steve Grillo in Acworth."

― del griffith, Monday, May 2, 2011 7:24 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

lmao, was saddam a field goal for america

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:28 (fourteen years ago)

idk a trial would seem kind of... hypocritical. dressing up the foretold end result with the appropriate legal justifications and so on. i don't know where he could have been tried, how the probably 'completely illegal' nature of his capture could be smoothed over, etc.

lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:28 (fourteen years ago)

i mean i suspect as much as anything there was a genuine fear that a taken alive Bin Laden would issue coded instructions to Al Q operatives

bell hops (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:29 (fourteen years ago)

Noodle -- not really, I could already hear people saying "AHH, WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR, WE KNOW HE DID IT, KILL HIM!!! SCREW THESE 'TRIALS'!"

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:29 (fourteen years ago)

I'm with mayne on this. It would have been a show trial. Remember when Eric Holder all but promised a guilty verdict in the KSM trial?

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:29 (fourteen years ago)

Think they shot him in the head one extra time just to make sure he stayed down, like a horror movie? (or a certain Tsar?)

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:29 (fourteen years ago)

lmao, was saddam a field goal for america

― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Monday, May 2, 2011 7:28 PM (59 seconds ago)

nah, Saddam was a rouge at best

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:30 (fourteen years ago)

maybe if I'm feeling generous, a safety

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:30 (fourteen years ago)

I don't see how assassination is somehow morally superior to a flawed trial.

Alba, Monday, 2 May 2011 23:31 (fourteen years ago)

i think Bin Laden cd reasonably have been tried for crimes against humanity, tho that wd involve the US handing him over. this is all "balance of possibilities" stuff but i dunno that killing him was a clear bonus over taking him alive

bell hops (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:31 (fourteen years ago)

I don't see how assassination is somehow morally superior to a flawed trial.

It isn't. They were taking fire and returned fire, from what I've read.

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:32 (fourteen years ago)

if there was a trial, we shoulda let Lorax be his defense

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:33 (fourteen years ago)

saddam was a 60-yard reception.

That Dunkster! (absolutely clean glasses), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:34 (fourteen years ago)

"today not only will i prove bin laden was not responsible for 9/11, but that in fact the person responsible was close to home all along -- that it was in fact <POINTED FINGER/CROWD GASPS> GWB!" xp

Mordy, Monday, 2 May 2011 23:34 (fourteen years ago)

Yeah, classifying this as an assassination seems way off, like it was some dude with a bigass scoped rifle from a klick away, as opposed to the big shoot-out in final reel.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:35 (fourteen years ago)

http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/files/2009/09/kevin-costner-jfk.jpg

"That's some bullet. Never in the history of warfare has there been a bullet this ridiculous."

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:37 (fourteen years ago)

really? it was basically an assassination unless capture was extremely convenient.

and yeah i think capping the dude was the right move and will be much, much better in the long run.

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 23:37 (fourteen years ago)

And yet, even if that is true, polyphonic, it's not what people believe was done. The narrative, encouraged by politicians and the media, is that this was a wuccessful mission to "take out Bin Laden". And that version of events seems to have been given almost unanimous moral thumbs up.

Alba, Monday, 2 May 2011 23:38 (fourteen years ago)

Newman [/snarl]

bell hops (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:38 (fourteen years ago)

to reiterate --

"Atta was in my Illuminati group. I taught him everything. He was a wannabe. No one liked him. Thought he was a snitch. But I treated him good. He wanted his kid to grow up with a chance. My neck is killing me. I've had cancer for years. Been working with mice to find a cure. You don't leave the neocons. Once you're in, they got you for life. Chertoff's an untouchable. Highest clearance. Chertoff, Atta, Al Qaeda, all Agency. Cheney was there from the start. Set up Texas Al Qaeda. Ran guns to Saddam when he was on our side. Saddam was almost with us till we tried to whack him.

Everybody keeps flipping sides. It's fun and games, man! The neocons and Al Qaeda worked together for years trying to take down those towers. There's more to this than you could dream! Check out something called "Operation Liberty Tower." Big time project. They're in charge. But who pulls whose chain? Who knows? "Oh, what a deadly web we weave when we practice to deceive." Who took down the towers?? Why didn't you fucking stop it? Shit! This is too big for you, you know that? Who did the towers?? Fuck! It's a mystery! It's a mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma! The hijackers don't even know! Don't you get it? Fuck, man! I can't keep talking like this!"

omar little, Monday, 2 May 2011 23:38 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9mJMdcqGeA

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:39 (fourteen years ago)

and yeah i think capping the dude was the right move and will be much, much better in the long run.

Why? Because it gives the American public what it wants, or because it will reduce terrorism?

Alba, Monday, 2 May 2011 23:41 (fourteen years ago)

are you really that thick?

motivatedgirl (Matt P), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:42 (fourteen years ago)

as if capturing him would have reduced it?

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:43 (fourteen years ago)

he was a bogeyman, but y'know one that actually orchestrated the murder of thousands of people and attempted many more.

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:43 (fourteen years ago)

"Atta was in my Illuminati group. I taught him everything. He was a wannabe. No one liked him. Thought he was a snitch. But I treated him good. He wanted his kid to grow up with a chance. My neck is killing me. I've had cancer for years. Been working with mice to find a cure. You don't leave the neocons. Once you're in, they got you for life. Chertoff's an untouchable. Highest clearance. Chertoff, Atta, Al Qaeda, all Agency. Cheney was there from the start. Set up Texas Al Qaeda. Ran guns to Saddam when he was on our side. Saddam was almost with us till we tried to whack him.

YES

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:43 (fourteen years ago)

they could've stuck him under a big box on a rope tho and caught the dudes that tried to rescue him

bell hops (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:44 (fourteen years ago)

lol

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:44 (fourteen years ago)

Why? Because it gives the American public what it wants, or because it will reduce terrorism?

― Alba, Monday, May 2, 2011 7:41 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

because we will get to move on.

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 23:45 (fourteen years ago)

"Bin Laden revealed to be high ranking Obama official wearing comedy mustache"

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:45 (fourteen years ago)

in terms of generating new wingnut conspiracy theories there was no viable option because they are wingnuts

bell hops (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:46 (fourteen years ago)

if this was an M. Night Shalamayan flick, we woulda found out what we thought was the USA all along was just a well built replica or something.....

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:47 (fourteen years ago)

Thanks to whoever it was that posted that MLK quote, btw. Good night.

Alba, Monday, 2 May 2011 23:48 (fourteen years ago)

It was a firefight, way before the ambush(started, oh, about ten years ago). Shot him in the chest too (says Govt. spokesman).

dow, Monday, 2 May 2011 23:48 (fourteen years ago)

I've been out of the country and managed to completely miss all this, but the BBC is being very strangely triumphalist. While I'm kinda happy he's gone, I can't see this actually changing much and possibly only inflaming the current climate - bit uneasy about being in London over the next few months. OTOH the geopolitical map, especially in the Middle East, feels so enormously different to 10 years ago that who can say really? Sure this has all been said upthread anyway.

Matt DC, Monday, 2 May 2011 23:49 (fourteen years ago)

breaking at POLITICO: SEALs snatched a trove of computer drives that U.S. official called “the mother lode of intelligence.”

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:56 (fourteen years ago)

I hear they may contain information on Bin Laden's whereabouts.

Guy? Guy? It's me, your cousin, Marvin Mann-Dude (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:57 (fourteen years ago)

Ugh, came out tonight to a whole bunch of my hyper-conservative relatives on FB spouting off about "this doesn't add up", "we aren't being told something", "this is all a lie", smdh.

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:58 (fourteen years ago)

i got a fiver on it being the collected works of the Eagles on mp3

bell hops (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:58 (fourteen years ago)

"Did you put that fucking shit in the papers?"

"Who is this?"

"You know know exactly who the fuck this is!"

"Zacarias?"

"THat's right!"

― gear (gear), Thursday, May 18, 2006

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:58 (fourteen years ago)

"this doesn't add up - Osama's dead and a conservative didn't kill him."

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 May 2011 23:58 (fourteen years ago)

"Osama To Be Posthumously Sued By the RIAA for 10 Gajillion Dollars"

bell hops (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 00:01 (fourteen years ago)

Seeing supposed Admin quotes re "woman in compound killed was not (Bin Laden's) wife." House Repubs credit Obama with continuing on Bush's quest.

dow, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 00:02 (fourteen years ago)

breaking at POLITICO: SEALs snatched a trove of computer drives that U.S. official called “the mother lode of intelligence.”

osama's mole at ctu already erased that shit by now

velko, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 00:36 (fourteen years ago)

was just world of warcraft iirc

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 00:40 (fourteen years ago)

this was after we dropped atom bombs on two Japanese cities when Japan had actively been seeking to negotiate a surrender treaty since April

― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, May 2, 2011 3:58 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

bet you anything americans were not entirely celebrating incinerating a few hundred thousand japanese, they were celebrating the end to the longest, largest and worst war the country had ever been in (since the civil). if you check the headlines, they don't really say "victory" or "we won" but "war is over." war weariness in 1945 was off the charts.

goole, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 00:40 (fourteen years ago)

It isn't. They were taking fire and returned fire, from what I've read.

Haha. The idea that any member of the public will know for sure what happened in there is ridiculous.

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 00:44 (fourteen years ago)

at least 2-3 of those people in the crowd had to be sick freaks who were only there to celebrate the incineration of japanese cities

iatee, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 00:45 (fourteen years ago)

really want to know how the herald sun got him, and why the age is so willing to give them the credit

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 00:48 (fourteen years ago)

herald sun is murdoch and therefore considers itself a vital part of the coalition of the killing

it always seems to have dick smith in it (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 00:49 (fourteen years ago)

just as an educational aside

it always seems to have dick smith in it (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 00:50 (fourteen years ago)

at least 2-3 of those people in the crowd had to be sick freaks who were only there to celebrate the incineration of japanese cities

Wishful thinking?

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 00:50 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 00:51 (fourteen years ago)

LOL a those deep-in-thought Obama pictures, like this was a tough call to make. "Hmm, should we kill him? Or should we let him go? Hmm, must think on this ..."

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 01:00 (fourteen years ago)

Like, in this clip, Pee Wee is Osama, and the bikers are all Obama:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXXJHClvsCA

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 01:01 (fourteen years ago)

i admire Barack's stoicism

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 01:02 (fourteen years ago)

http://twitpic.com/4sidks

Not the real Village People, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 01:05 (fourteen years ago)

yes, that pic is wau

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 01:06 (fourteen years ago)

What was that Herald Sun pic? I cant see it for soem reason

Concubine Tree (Trayce), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 01:07 (fourteen years ago)

Honestly, I had a hope that the civilized part of my brain was barely suppressing that the delay in the press conference was because they were busy getting a sealed box to Obama with bin Laden's head in it so he could hold it up during the speech.

mh, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:07 (fourteen years ago)

"America, I told you I would kill Osama, and here's my proof!"

mh, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:08 (fourteen years ago)

'please, become Wrath"

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:12 (fourteen years ago)

bet you anything americans were not entirely celebrating incinerating a few hundred thousand japanese, they were celebrating the end to the longest, largest and worst war the country had ever been in (since the civil). if you check the headlines, they don't really say "victory" or "we won" but "war is over." war weariness in 1945 was off the charts.

I take your point, but I'd also guess you've seen as much really beyond-grotesque anti-Japanese U.S. propaganda as I have - the V-J day headlines are largely WAR OVER / PEACE etc but the Hiroshima headlines are

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_X00dB9DjtkY/SWAAtqTKYDI/AAAAAAAAClk/DE6VN494j9I/s640/1-2-09%20043.jpg

and

http://people.virginia.edu/~sfr/enam312/1945nyt.jpg

and

http://members.kos.net/sdgagnon/nrug02.jpg

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:13 (fourteen years ago)

there's nothing objectionable at all about the NYT headline.

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:16 (fourteen years ago)

are those meant to be anti-japanese headlines or am misunderstanding you?

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:16 (fourteen years ago)

they sound mostly horrified/awed to me

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:16 (fourteen years ago)

the subheader "steel tower vaporized in trial of mighty bomb" is kinda uhhh

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:17 (fourteen years ago)

is the third one, "Inside And Outside, Everybody Died" not showing up?

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:17 (fourteen years ago)

http://aljazeera.com/news/asia/2011/05/20115241936984209.html

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:18 (fourteen years ago)

and no aero, it isn't

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:18 (fourteen years ago)

what was pittsburghs' status as a US city in the 1940s?

br8080 (dayo), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:18 (fourteen years ago)

JAP 'PITTSBURGH' HIT <-- this is a bizarre thing to say

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:18 (fourteen years ago)

I don't really see anything exultant about those headlines

br8080 (dayo), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:18 (fourteen years ago)

were there spontaneous celebrations the day of Hiroshima? Because if they waited until surrender I don't think you have a strong case here.

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:19 (fourteen years ago)

hah i totally missed the pittsburgh thing

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:19 (fourteen years ago)

anyway I'm not gonna ride this point, I don't think bloodlust is exactly a new phenomenon & I don't think Americans are especially more crass now than they were when you could play a "kill the jap" game at bars in 1944

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:19 (fourteen years ago)

to be fair "boom goes the dynamite" hadn't been coined yet

some dude, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:19 (fourteen years ago)

"Holocaust in Hiroshima Exclamation Point" is a bit much

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:20 (fourteen years ago)

Ramin Mehmanparast - Iran's foreign ministry spokesman

US and their allies have no more excuse to deploy forces in the Middle East under pretext of fighting terrorism.

--
would be curious to see the context in which most of these quotes reside

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:20 (fourteen years ago)

also wondering when 'holocaust' began referring specifically to the concentration camps

br8080 (dayo), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:21 (fourteen years ago)

what if they could prove that jews have horns, would it still be anti-semitic to say that? think about it.

― You Get Hoynes (bnw)

killed me

So seveir, no more beir (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:21 (fourteen years ago)

i realize that this was before the word came fully to refer to what it refers to now, but one of those calls it a "holocaust"

also i mean communication w/ the japanese in the last months of the war is definitely kind of weird and fishy and full of odd translation errors and imperial hedging and even (after the bombings) an attempted coup of sorts but saying they'd been "actively trying to negotiate a surrender since april" is kind of disingenuous given what was at the very least an ambiguous reaction to the potsdam ultimatum.

that said i'm certainly glad i don't have that on my personal conscience.

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:21 (fourteen years ago)

http://aljazeera.com/news/asia/2011/05/20115241936984209.html

I love that no Australians are on that list

also o____O at the pakistani taleban quote

it always seems to have dick smith in it (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:22 (fourteen years ago)

anyway I'm not gonna ride this point, I don't think bloodlust is exactly a new phenomenon & I don't think Americans are especially more crass now than they were when you could play a "kill the jap" game at bars in 1944

this is obv true though and not just for america. i'm willing to forgive a certain amount of this in a country that's after all just a bunch of people. (especially in the case of ww2 when the surrender meant the boys were coming home.)

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:23 (fourteen years ago)

what was pittsburghs' status as a US city in the 1940s

http://www.peakbagger.com/pbgeog/histmetropop.aspx

top 10ish

iatee, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:23 (fourteen years ago)

I think the general reaction Americans on the day of Hiroshima was more "holy shit" and "how the hell does one bomb do that?" rather than dancing in the streets.

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:24 (fourteen years ago)

when i was a kid i had this old hardcover book published by disney that was called OUR FRIEND THE ATOM (expanded from the disney TV episode of the same name which apparently they showed everyone in school) and had as its framing device/central metaphor a handsomely illustrated rendition of The Fisherman And The Genie, the idea being that the genie is powerful but also sickeningly dangerous, and the whole thing was on this (to me in the 1990s) utterly strange knife-edge between brisk cheerful disney-newsreel futurism and primal unnameable fear. it's one of the oddest and most affecting artifacts i've ever seen and i tend to assume it sums up the decade.

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:28 (fourteen years ago)

omg the atom is saidin

So seveir, no more beir (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:29 (fourteen years ago)

("the decade" being 1945-1962 i guess, or -1991, or -now, who even knows)

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:29 (fourteen years ago)

oh here

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:33 (fourteen years ago)

lol @ walt disney saying AND NOW, OUR EXPERT! and guy turning around from writing important equations on a blackboard and being like AZ VEE BEGAN AHR REZEARCH INTO ZEE ATOM

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:37 (fourteen years ago)

lol

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:39 (fourteen years ago)

Aussie 'Topeka' Practically a Dutch 'Tampa' in the Making

secretariat on demand (Z S), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:43 (fourteen years ago)

great description on that youtube video:

This is the very cartoon many of us in the 50's, 60's, 70's, and 80's watched in High School Physics classes.

The premise that there is something real called a nuclear atom, with orbiting electrons and a nucleus composed of protons and neutrons, was never tenable since it's inception.

The Nuclear Theory of the Atom has been debunked for a long time now. Dewey Larson has absolutely obliterated the historical construction of this fallacious and mind numbing theory in his Book: "The Case Against the Nuclear Atom" found in the link below, online and free to read. So, there is no excuse for anyone believing this idiotic model, nor quantum mechaincs, since is constructed upon this myth abd string theory because it is just deeper into the same quackademic bullshit. 10 to the 500th versions of this garbage theory about 1 dimensional strings and membranes as big as the Universe. LOL!

http://library.rstheory.org/books/qp/index.html

Walt Disney was a mason and intimately involved in the plan of the owners of the new world order to brainwash humanity with these kinds of disempowering lies which have enslaved us all to energy barons, war mongers and central bankers.

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:45 (fourteen years ago)

The atom will reside here.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:46 (fourteen years ago)

Tags:

* Disney
* Mind
* control
* garbage
* about
* the
* non
* existent
* nuclaer
* atom

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:46 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffnSTfBN1lU&feature=related

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:46 (fourteen years ago)

quackademic bullshit

br8080 (dayo), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:47 (fourteen years ago)

xxxxp wow. all it said before the jump was "this is the very cartoon many of us watched" so i didn't expand it, way to bury the lede youtube user 77GSlinger.

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:47 (fourteen years ago)

Disney Sucks for not building this. Guaranteed that 2010 would be that actual 21st Century hover car kind of world.
MERC3NARYPRODUCTIONS 9 months ago

Screw you

Go to hell faggot

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:47 (fourteen years ago)

i don't think i'd ever heard "quackademic"

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:50 (fourteen years ago)

yeah its kinda great

br8080 (dayo), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:50 (fourteen years ago)

you can't believe it wasn't there all along

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:51 (fourteen years ago)

*was, ugh

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:51 (fourteen years ago)

Disney Sucks for not building this. Guaranteed that 2010 would be that actual 21st Century hover car kind of world.

i had another book of similar vintage about The Year 2000 and mostly i remember this illustration of a guy sitting in the back of a car reading a newspaper while an anthropomorphic robot with a fixed smile sat in the front and drove him to work.

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:53 (fourteen years ago)

Visiting Epcot now, you're reminded of a futuristic condo complex circa 1985.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 02:54 (fourteen years ago)

start of wwe raw, to add to the cena defeats osama lols btw

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 03:01 (fourteen years ago)

ooops, helps if include the link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI7k5r43VkI&feature=BFp&list=WL9E1D2843D5ACC2B3&index=1

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 03:01 (fourteen years ago)

has anyone posted this? http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/05/out-of-osamas-death-a-fake-quotation-is-born/238220/

Mordy, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 03:12 (fourteen years ago)

Walt Disney was a mason and intimately involved in the plan of the owners of the new world order to brainwash humanity with these kinds of disempowering lies which have enslaved us all to energy barons, war mongers and central bankers.

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 03:13 (fourteen years ago)

*thumbs up*

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 03:13 (fourteen years ago)

ok it has since taken the rock 5 minutes to walk down the ramp and then start shouting the pledge of allegiance

wonder if tna are just gonna go with taz making a shitty joke like usual - would be a better show for once than raw

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 03:16 (fourteen years ago)

and what fake mlk is fake
16 minutes ago · Like

dayo, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 03:18 (fourteen years ago)

Hahhaa that MLK quote has been all over my FB today. I wonder if I should be a killjoy and post that link.

Trayce, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 03:22 (fourteen years ago)

MLKtoast

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 03:26 (fourteen years ago)

i already did...i feel like a bastard

secretariat on demand (Z S), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 03:27 (fourteen years ago)

ok Pitbull has now come out in an all white suit. It's what Osama would have wanted.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 03:29 (fourteen years ago)

w/ cheerleaders.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 03:29 (fourteen years ago)

Hahhaa that MLK quote has been all over my FB today. I wonder if I should be a killjoy and post that link.

I did, mostly b/c it's fitting with my FB persona.

jaymc, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 03:32 (fourteen years ago)

One of my other friends beat me to it, and now all the other posters of quote are going "yeah but the sentiment is what matters ok?".

Trayce, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 03:42 (fourteen years ago)

I posted the link and the quote, and wondered whether to attribute it to L. Ron Hubbard or someone else equally as ridiculous.

I also added a note relating to Mordy's mention that there's no specific Jewish problem with celebrating death!

mh, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 03:46 (fourteen years ago)

I understand killing people sucks, but I don't know if I'm a universal "killing is bad" pacifist now. Sometimes, you gotta bust into a compound in Pakistan and shoot a guy and it's a-ok in my book and a reason to breathe a sigh of something or another.

mh, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 03:47 (fourteen years ago)

things done changed

estkella (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 03:49 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HOVEDy_HGU

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 04:07 (fourteen years ago)

Hahhaa that MLK quote has been all over my FB today. I wonder if I should be a killjoy and post that link.

I did, mostly b/c it's fitting with my FB persona.

― jaymc, Tuesday, May 3, 2011 3:32 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

One of my other friends beat me to it, and now all the other posters of quote are going "yeah but the sentiment is what matters ok?".

― Trayce, Tuesday, May 3, 2011 3:42 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

It's more interesting than that I think. It's obvious that MLK said a lot of things very much like that and that his sentiments chime with the (possibly) made-up quote (which even if it is made up seems to pre-date the death of OBL) but it's curious someone didn't just use a real, easily verifiable quote - I suppose the 140 limit rules most of them out though. Whatever, I'm still with fake MLK.

these are my everyday balloons (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 08:08 (fourteen years ago)

knew this was coming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpBPVkpmoeg

gr8080, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 08:34 (fourteen years ago)

BBC website earlier had the strap "Live: Recorded coverage after Bin Laden's death".

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 08:36 (fourteen years ago)

His whole argument falls apart because if they couldve used a frozen body for political save-a-pres why didnt Bush do so when Obama was clearly going to sweep the floor with him last election?

Trayce, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 08:37 (fourteen years ago)

Because sometimes "Whooo, danger out there" gets sold?

Mark G, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 08:43 (fourteen years ago)

the "mlk" quote wasn't even that good, fucking hippies

lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 08:55 (fourteen years ago)

Do not gloat when your enemy falls; when he stumbles, do not let your heart rejoice - Proverbs 24:17

gr8080, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 09:02 (fourteen years ago)

Got into several arguments tonight because I can't get on board with "any man's death diminishes me" - understanding the problematic aspects, I'm happy when some people die. 'Evil' is complicated, but when your existence makes the world a shittier place, I'm not going to not celebrate your death out of any desire for a moral high ground.

boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 09:04 (fourteen years ago)

That's all very well, but if you want to celebrate, go and stand next to the guy with the foam hand shouting "Whooo, we're number 1"

Mark G, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 09:10 (fourteen years ago)

yeah, jeez, what's up with that guy

That Dunkster! (absolutely clean glasses), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 09:15 (fourteen years ago)

I was watching the decent news channel earlier and they were showing the Afghan president basically saying "look we're glad he's dead, and please, remember how much Afghanistan resisted the taliban and al-quaeda and give us some respect and peace and help us become a free country in te face of all this". That gave me quite some perspective. We're not the ones having the living shit bombed out of us every single day.

Trayce, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 10:10 (fourteen years ago)

God knows how we actually go about getting out of Afghanistan though, can't see either the US or Britain going "yep, Bin Laden's dead, bye guys!" Whoever said "it'll help us move on" upthread seems hopelessly optimistic (or sarcastic).

Matt DC, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 10:35 (fourteen years ago)

also, nobody's thinking that the Taliban are now going "oh, guy's dead, we'll postpone the upcoming terror offensive"

are they?

Mark G, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 10:38 (fourteen years ago)

Sadly I've seen enough img captures of people saying things like "we won" and "its over" to think some people honestly think that might be so, which is depressing.

Trayce, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 10:39 (fourteen years ago)

God knows how we actually go about getting out of Afghanistan though, can't see either the US or Britain going "yep, Bin Laden's dead, bye guys!" Whoever said "it'll help us move on" upthread seems hopelessly optimistic (or sarcastic).

ehh, i don't think that people are really talking in terms of the on the ground situation, though, you know; they're talking about the viability of leaving with enough superficial change effected to feel ok about doing so. like someone cynical could say that we left iraq with less of a MISSION ACCOMPLISHED vibe than the US could reductively claim in having 'got' OBL. it would help people feel better about moving on, is the thing.

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 10:40 (fourteen years ago)

it is kinda gross to imagine that this should punctuate the sprawling mess that has been afghanistan military action but just, it must so obviously function as an 'end of an era' thing in some respects that it would make winding it all down seem somehow related. you just hope afghanistan would get trillions in aid afterwards, but that didn't happen with vietnam iirc.

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 10:42 (fourteen years ago)

I used to work at a satellite company that had customers in Baghdad and other Iraq cities. They were just internet cafes and things. Every week, they'd call up to ask us to recalibrate their coordinates because the building they were in had been bombed and they had to move. Every bloody week. It was quite depressing. These were just regular joes trying to have a normal life.

Trayce, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 10:48 (fourteen years ago)

I posted the link to the MLK quote being partially fabricated because it bothers me in this day and age that whenever we want to quote an important figure, if the quote doesn't 100% jibe with what we're trying to say, rather than find another quote, just go ahead and fabricate it and circulate it anyway cuz it's the "spirit" that matters.

fuck that.

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:27 (fourteen years ago)

it makes me more ticked off cuz the main reason someone hacked his quote was essentially to go "SEE, ALL YOU ALL THAT ARE HAPPY THAT OSAMA IS DEAD ARE BAD PEOPLE AND MLK DOESN'T LIKE YOU"

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:28 (fourteen years ago)

also there are just some people who I will be glad when they die.

When Rush Limbaugh dies, I'm throwing a week-long party.

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:29 (fourteen years ago)

Yeah, most of the Britishers with that quote/sanctimony on will be OVERJOYED and DANCING come the demise of one M Thatcher.

a modest broposal (suzy), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:31 (fourteen years ago)

does this mean we can stop doing "god bless america" at yankee stadium now? PLEEEEASE?

DREEEEAMM ON.... I'm sure they'll have two eagles fucking on the field at the next Yankee home game. And I smell a new federal holiday, perhaps in time for a campaign parade next year.

The MSNBC quartet of clowns were a disgrace last night (in about one minute each).

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:31 (fourteen years ago)

there's going to be a 30 minute patriotic medley during the 7th inning from now on

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:33 (fourteen years ago)

I understand killing people sucks, but I don't know if I'm a universal "killing is bad" pacifist now.

oh, if Al Qaeda had snuffed out the last admin, I'da sent em a check

I also added a note relating to Mordy's mention that there's no specific Jewish problem with celebrating death!

lotta Likud goin' to heaven.

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:35 (fourteen years ago)

dying at eagles fucking tbh

So seveir, no more beir (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:35 (fourteen years ago)

One of my other friends beat me to it, and now all the other posters of quote are going "yeah but the sentiment is what matters ok?".

― Trayce, Monday, May 2, 2011 11:42 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

So I'm guessing they're big fans of A Million Little Pieces

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:36 (fourteen years ago)

Yeah, most of the Britishers with that quote/sanctimony on will be OVERJOYED and DANCING come the demise of one M Thatcher.

OTM

Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:36 (fourteen years ago)

To, tbf, dancing but not not overjoyed

Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:37 (fourteen years ago)

in re bin laden/celebration/whatever imo there's very few legit boogeymen in the world at any one time, i think ppl are allowed to enjoy this one

So seveir, no more beir (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:37 (fourteen years ago)

Double negative! (xp)

Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:38 (fourteen years ago)

fact is, when some pieces of shit die, there should be dancing in the streets. fuck all life being sanctimonious, we need people to demonize, it's how we get through work each day...

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:38 (fourteen years ago)

xps - Agreed - it would have been nice if someone had used a real quote (there are plenty) but I don't think they made it up for this. If I had seen it I would have thought it quite pithy and relevant and probably wouldn't have checked it out too much.

xp - If it's sanctimonious not to "rejoice" in someone elses death then so be it. I won't be dancing/overjoyed when Thatch dies either. I must be a fucking hippy.

these are my everyday balloons (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:38 (fourteen years ago)

xp - who gets to decide who the "pieces of shit" are? Is my problem with that.

these are my everyday balloons (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:40 (fourteen years ago)

As Midge Ure put it, Dancing With Tears In My Eye

Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:40 (fourteen years ago)

People whose deaths I will celebrate:

Dubya
Limbaugh
Kim Jong-Il
Aquaman

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:41 (fourteen years ago)

I'll keep believing the 'fake quote' and ppl who believe we had to A-bomb the Japanese can believe that.

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:41 (fourteen years ago)

xpost people get to decide for themselves who the 'pieces of shit' are in my own eyes. My main problem is the last two days for some people, as I mentioned earlier, have been nothing but fingerpointing and "HOW DARE YOU BE HAPPY THAT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING IS DEAD".

It's not like the other side was going "HOW DARE YOU NOT BE HAPPY!!!"

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:42 (fourteen years ago)

xpost I totally keep a copy of "Our Friend the Atom" in the bathroom, along with "Get in the Van" and "The Commissar Vanishes."

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:42 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMo_HcRBnUY

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:43 (fourteen years ago)

It's not like the other side was going "HOW DARE YOU NOT BE HAPPY!!!"

No, they just call them sanctimonious.

these are my everyday balloons (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:46 (fourteen years ago)

I really don't care that ObL is dead. I'm ill that it's why the drones love America.

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:47 (fourteen years ago)

one thing Osama's death didn't do to me is stimulate my inner nationalism, cuz well rampant nationalism is still stupid sorry guys

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:48 (fourteen years ago)

it's like the usa putting "We the Best" on and then playing it on a 7000 inch boombox so the rest of the world can't ignore it

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:48 (fourteen years ago)

Nice of them not to shoot him before the Royal Wedding was all done and dusted.

Mark G, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:52 (fourteen years ago)

we we we we
we so excited!

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:53 (fourteen years ago)

a ha ha ha ha, oh dear.

Mark G, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:54 (fourteen years ago)

i'd wager brits who put that soppy fake-MLK quote on facebook or whatever probably aren't old enough to know who thatcher is/was (xposts)

Romford Spring (DG), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:54 (fourteen years ago)

Oh, brits, is it?

Mark G, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:55 (fourteen years ago)

I really feel like fabricating a quote that gets circulated for months and then tagging everybody that circulates it in a FB note and going YER ALL DOUCHES

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:55 (fourteen years ago)

yeah the time to dance over Reagan/Thatcher's death was 1981

Ed Koch, 1977

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:56 (fourteen years ago)

yeah the time to dance over Reagan/Thatcher's death was 1981

(Some of) You might have forgiven Reagan, we'll never forgive Thatcher

Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:56 (fourteen years ago)

Sam Kinison and Jeff Dahmer were right on time, tho

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:57 (fourteen years ago)

fuck Reagan, I'd be cool with necromancing him and killing him again

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:57 (fourteen years ago)

Strikes me, Reagan did admit to being wrong/mistaken about some things.

Not Thatch, except for the sell-off of ITV franchises to highest bidder (which she admitted was a mistake), no worries (well not that many) on that one by comparison, Mrs.

Mark G, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:59 (fourteen years ago)

Can't think of many reasons not to be happy about Mugabe's death, especially if it happens in office and not in some comfortable retirement.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 12:00 (fourteen years ago)

Five Men FROM LONDON arrested near Sellafield

BBC not sure of any connection with death of OBL but you never know says BBC.

these are my everyday balloons (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 12:00 (fourteen years ago)

Strikes me, Reagan did admit to being wrong/mistaken about not being able to recall some things.

suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 12:00 (fourteen years ago)

xp - I think Thatcher regretted not doing enough about those inner cities iirc.

these are my everyday balloons (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 12:01 (fourteen years ago)

What, not using nuclear warheads on them?

Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 12:02 (fourteen years ago)

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estkella (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 12:15 (fourteen years ago)

wtf did aquaman ever do to you

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 12:17 (fourteen years ago)

you know why I love America, is Taco Bell

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 13:20 (fourteen years ago)

We used to have some, over here!

Mark G, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 13:21 (fourteen years ago)

So good it's worth a suicide mission

http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/taco-bell-drive-thru-728565.jpg

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 13:21 (fourteen years ago)

Dude got full-on value all right.

jaymc, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 13:23 (fourteen years ago)

America, America
God shred some cheese for me

BIG YNGWIE aka themalmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 13:27 (fourteen years ago)

I understand killing people sucks, but I don't know if I'm a universal "killing is bad" pacifist now. Sometimes, you gotta bust into a compound in Pakistan and shoot a guy and it's a-ok in my book and a reason to breathe a sigh of something or another.

― mh, Monday, May 2, 2011 11:47 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

feelin this post

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 13:57 (fourteen years ago)

My sister just visited from England, and literally one of only three things on her agenda was going to Taco Bell. She thinks if she opened a Taco Bell in Leeds she'd be rich.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:00 (fourteen years ago)

I would be fine w/ life in prison for osama

I think it'd be a bigger 'fuck you' in a way and pretty symbolic

iatee, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:03 (fourteen years ago)

but obv that would be impossible in this country

iatee, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:03 (fourteen years ago)

mh: unless you know, there's more to come

I wd "cap" most of the interviewees in Inside Job

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:03 (fourteen years ago)

Wouldn't disagree but I have a low tolerance for the shitstorm of political drama that would ensue. xxp

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:04 (fourteen years ago)

but wd settle for life sentences

instead, caviar all around!

xp

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:04 (fourteen years ago)

So think Bin Laden had a backlog of posthumous tapes ready to go, like Yul Brynner's anti-smoking PSA? If not it seems like a big missed opportunity.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:15 (fourteen years ago)

There's supposed to be a posthumous one coming

Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:16 (fourteen years ago)

iatee otm

estkella (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:17 (fourteen years ago)

"If you are watching this, then I am dead. And now, everyone ... look under your seats!"

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:20 (fourteen years ago)

Oh, wait. I'm thinking of Oprah's posthumous video.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:20 (fourteen years ago)

the truly Big O

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:25 (fourteen years ago)

This morning the public transit stations had police handing out "If you see something, say something" leaflets. I guess the terror code is whatever used to be orange or something.

Frankly i think 10+ years of bombing & occupying Muslim countries has done more to stoke the anti-US fires than killing this one guy, no matter how big a myth we've made of him.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:26 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.animedude.net/pics/2009/08/240px-big_o.jpg

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:27 (fourteen years ago)

btw "we wanted to bury him in accordance w/ Muslim law" is an awesome fig leaf for "you aint gettin the body"

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:32 (fourteen years ago)

Nobody wanted the body anyway

Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:33 (fourteen years ago)

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iatee otm

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Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:33 (fourteen years ago)

nobody is rather sweeping

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:39 (fourteen years ago)

wtf did aquaman ever do to you

― And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 12:17 (2 hours ago)

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:39 (fourteen years ago)

nobody is rather sweeping

Well they did ask the Saudis

Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:41 (fourteen years ago)

Frankly i think 10+ years of bombing & occupying Muslim countries has done more to stoke the anti-US fires than killing this one guy, no matter how big a myth we've made of him.

― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 10:26 AM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

OTM

Guy? Guy? It's me, your cousin, Marvin Mann-Dude (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:43 (fourteen years ago)

i wonder if the US is gonna drop the whole "Pakistan is a key ally in the war on terror" thing now, and switch sides to India in exchange for trade guarantees

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:44 (fourteen years ago)

the wisdom-spin on Morning Edition was, well, Obama can't tell Pakistan they're grounded cuz they have nukes.

so I say
INVADE!

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:45 (fourteen years ago)

i wonder if the US is gonna drop the whole "Pakistan is a key ally in the war on terror" thing now, and switch sides to India in exchange for trade guarantees

They could do it, but it would be a spectacularly stupid thing to do diplomatically.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:46 (fourteen years ago)

They won't do that

Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:47 (fourteen years ago)

pakistain is still a really dangerous and unstable potentially nukey-islamist hellhole

im sure the US cutting all ties would make everything fine though

lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:48 (fourteen years ago)

"everything fine" an unshakable goal of enrique's realpolitik

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:49 (fourteen years ago)

The guy was already quickly becoming a fossil in his time, and there's some grim irony in the entire al Qaeda shtick about causing havoc to get popular sentiment against the US, leading to their own brand of regime change, when Osama was most likely reliant on the Pakistani ISS or even sympathetic individuals in the government.

I know it's not 100%, but the entire popular uprising movement that's been happening is killing al Qaeda as much or more than military action. They always claimed to be more of a resource center or clearinghouse for disparate groups, but that never really hashed out, and I think the idea of ObL as CEO of al Qaeda, Inc. is an idea that actually had traction within the group itself.

I still think that hanging from lightposts and screaming "USA!" in front of the White House is misguided and crass, and thinking that the death of one guy provides any sort of closure is still pretty misguided, but hey, sometimes symbolic things are worth it.

mh, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:49 (fourteen years ago)

Oh yeah, and Pakistan is and always has been a clusterfuck.

mh, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:50 (fourteen years ago)

pakistain is still a really dangerous and unstable potentially nukey-islamist hellhole

Not to mention the rampant paranoia over and persecution complex vis a vis India

Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:51 (fourteen years ago)

i think i'd like that to happen, but you don't let nuclearized countries dangle

http://nationalinterest.org/article/mutiny-grows-punjab-4889

^ must read!

xps lol you get the whole argument in real time around here

goole, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:51 (fourteen years ago)

sometimes symbolic things are worth it.

that's why I want Russ Feingold symbolically running against Bam once the postcoital thrill from this wears off.

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:51 (fourteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/KxuGl.jpg

Frightening, but full of facts that are difficult to argue with. (dan m), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:52 (fourteen years ago)

That's some serious fruit salad.

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 15:01 (fourteen years ago)

Like he's going to need a bigger jacket if this keeps up.

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 15:01 (fourteen years ago)

i can't help thinking the general dude is like "omg this rebecca black video is the WORST!!! brb"

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 15:06 (fourteen years ago)

Pretty amazed that i don't know Sarah Palin's reaction on this news. Also relieved.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 15:22 (fourteen years ago)

Do we actually know the names of the people who shot him?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 15:26 (fourteen years ago)

i don't think so no

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 15:26 (fourteen years ago)

we never will

goole, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 15:28 (fourteen years ago)

Like regardless of the moral or legal or political implications, just imagine being that guy. I can't work out whether he'd be all "what if I have to spend the rest of my life in hiding?" or "I never need to worry about getting laid ever again".

Matt DC, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 15:28 (fourteen years ago)

Pretty amazed that i don't know Sarah Palin's reaction on this news. Also relieved.

read CNN.com

basically, she's really appreciative of W

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 15:29 (fourteen years ago)

You never will. I know SEALs, they wont even tell you where theyve been the last six months.

xxxpost

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 15:29 (fourteen years ago)

I can't work out whether he'd be all "what if I have to spend the rest of my life in hiding?" or "I never need to worry about getting laid ever again".

Neither, because he's never going to tell anyone, EVER.

xxxp

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 15:31 (fourteen years ago)

How the GOP is getting the story wrong again.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 15:32 (fourteen years ago)

GOP & former Bush admin notables trying to use this to justify the use of torture is the exact opposite of surprising...

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 15:38 (fourteen years ago)

Countdown to the cries of "THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF NOT FOR WATERBOARDING" begin now.

― SteakNique (®2011 Ulillillia) (Phil D.), Monday, May 2, 2011 10:40 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

SteakNique (®2011 Ulillillia) (Phil D.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 15:42 (fourteen years ago)

Do we actually know the names of the people who shot him?

Chep Theodore Knollblazer Jr.

Let me help you with your URL problems (blueski), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 15:43 (fourteen years ago)

Really can't see how Bush buddies can truly claim the former Pres had anything to do with this at all, aside from his assist in promoting Bin Laden to arch villain in the first place. If Bush knew how to catch him, he would have. If Bush policies made it possible to catch him, they would have. Though I suppose the Bush admin was nothing if not defined by delusion.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:13 (fourteen years ago)

The truth of a matter has never bothered them, so why start now?

a modest broposal (suzy), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:14 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/surveillance-not-waterboarding-led-to-bin-laden/

goole, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:18 (fourteen years ago)

still, would loooove to see Limbaugh endorse Obama for reelection

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:19 (fourteen years ago)

My boss is now claiming he has a link to the video. Am going to offer a generous bet on Rick Astley being on the other side.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:23 (fourteen years ago)

virus

President Keyes, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:29 (fourteen years ago)

haha jason burke (observer reporter and author of a book on al quaeda) just got merked:

@burke_jason Jason Burke
unconfirmed but good source RT @azelin: Breaking! Al Qaeda Releases Bin Laden's Final Video http://youtu.be/cUKkm2MEfpQ

burke_jason Jason Burke
who was having a bit of a joke ... sorry .. is very later where i am ...
3 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

joe, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:33 (fourteen years ago)

come on Josh, the intelligence on OBL has been a continuous thing, starting with Clinton. Obama may have given it fresh urgency - i don't know - but saying Bush (or more accurately, the CIA and armed forces during the Bush administration) had "nothing to do with this" is false.

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:33 (fourteen years ago)

"I know, right? Numbers is WAY better than Catch Bull at Four. I don't get why people think that one is so great."

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/5/2/1304330744836/Osama-Bin-Laden-in-a-cave-008.jpg

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:37 (fourteen years ago)

Tea for the Tillerman dude

no slouch of a snipster (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:39 (fourteen years ago)

pissing myself at the oSama/oBama pronunciation confusion. small things.

territory of the magic wand (Chris), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:40 (fourteen years ago)

This is going to get buried in typical off-topic watercooler chatter, but I think that there's a bit more of a political powerplay going on than USA govt is letting on:

First off, India intel confirm the Osama reveal was a quid-pro-quo deal to stop drone/special ops activity in Pakistan:
http://expressbuzz.com/topnews/did-isi-sacrifice-osama-in-quid-pro-quo-deal/271012.html

3 weeks ago, top Pakistani military chiefs travel to USA to stop aforementioned activity (rising tensions against a "sovereign nation"):
1) http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/04/despite-us-pakistan-tensions-aired-at-cia-hq-cia-drone-strike-will-continue-officials-say.html
2) http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-04-13/us/29413489_1_drone-strikes-ahmed-shuja-pasha-pakistan-share

Another CIA/diplomatic envoy to try to patch things up:
1) http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iXYCLJk-0QdZ1anL_49a85mQz6Mw?docId=d2a920a1a24148faaa57995bdff3916b
2) http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/13/isi-sought-a-more-formalised-arrangement-relationship-on-solid-footing-cia.html

And now here we are, post-Osama assissination:
"US Defense officials thanked military leadership of Pakistan on intelligence sharing and successful operation against Osama."
http://www.onlinenews.com.pk/details.php?id=178566

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:40 (fourteen years ago)

Think the suggestion that the information that tipped them off came in six months after Obama took office says a lot about the urgency the Bush administration gave over to finding him.

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:41 (fourteen years ago)

I get how the quest for OBL has been constant, to varying degrees, for years. But catching OBL here, now? It sounds like it goes back to an intercepted phone call. Obv. Clinton and Bush has actionable intelligence at various points, but both failed to adequately capitalize on it.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:43 (fourteen years ago)

Who gets the $25million reward, they guy they water-boarded for the info?

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:44 (fourteen years ago)

good post steve shasta

According to former RAW chief A S Dullat, the killing of Osama would serve a psychological blow to the hardcore elements because of his larger-than-life image. But, adversely, it could also lead to a spurt in terrorist attacks by a more determined lot. “We need to understand that Al-Qaeda has become more of a thought than a merely operational organisation,” says Dullat. That bin Laden was hiding deep in Pakistan gives credence to India’s claims about Pakistan’s complicity, said Dullat. “It is good that Pakistan finally cooperated with the US.”

However, another security expert, Ajay Sahni, differs. In his view, bin Laden’s elimination was a top secret operation done by the US alone and has increased problems for Pakistan, as it is caught in a dilemma whether to concur for providing help to the US in killing the Al-Qaeda leader or feign ignorance of his presence in a garrison town like Abbottabad where he was being “kept in an ISI safehouse”. “It is doomed either way. It cannot claim not knowing Osama’s presence nor can it say that the US operated on its own deep inside its territory without its knowledge. Pakistan establishment now should brace for severe Al-Qaeda retaliation,” he warned.

pretty wild! i think you have to take indian interpretations of events out of pakistan with a grain of salt tho

goole, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:45 (fourteen years ago)

As predicted, nobody is reading my post.

It appears that there have been numerous meetings over the last 3 weeks between the Pakistan military (who seem to have been providing OBL safe-harbor near to their "West Point") and CIA culminating in a deal with the ISI providing the info and green light to take out OBL in exchange for no more illegal drone/special ops activity. Not quite a conspiracy theory, but yet a very different picture than what the White House is painting.

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:46 (fourteen years ago)

it's pretty weird how silent steve shasta has been on this issue

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:47 (fourteen years ago)

lol

estkella (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:49 (fourteen years ago)

sorry unnamed indian intelligence sources saying "we won’t be surprised if the ISI itself threw off the cover on Laden and handed him over to Am­e­ricans"?

http://hosting01.hotchyx.com/adult-image-hosting-21/7419mariah_eyeroll.gif

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:50 (fourteen years ago)

adult-image-hosting

estkella (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:50 (fourteen years ago)

steve it's very plausible.

the thing it shares w/the best conspiracy theories is that 1) such an arrangement is actually totally within the realm of the thinkable and 2) such an arrangement would be totally out of bounds to reveal. i.e. IF it were true, a cover-up would be guaranteed, therefore we can never know if it's true.

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:50 (fourteen years ago)

so weird that the CIA and ISI would be meeting a lot!! they like never talk!!!

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:51 (fourteen years ago)

hm. some shasta 4 thought.

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:51 (fourteen years ago)

I don't really think it even qualifies as a conspiracy theory, it makes perfect sense and conforms to how those organizations tend to operate

no slouch of a snipster (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:53 (fourteen years ago)

It appears that there have been numerous meetings over the last 3 weeks between the Pakistan military (who seem to have been providing OBL safe-harbor near to their "West Point") and CIA culminating in a deal with the ISI providing the info and green light to take out OBL in exchange for no more illegal drone/special ops activity. Not quite a conspiracy theory, but yet a very different picture than what the White House is painting.

― it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:46 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

no, your links show there have been meetings about drone attacks. but you'd expect that either way. the india story "confirms" nothing, it just has spies from hostile nations who "believe" things. the pakistan story is sourced from the pakistan military, who are spinning for their lives atm. if someone gets a US source saying something similar i'll believe it. but what would be their reason for hiding pakistan's co-operation, if it existed?

joe, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:54 (fourteen years ago)

ceasing drone operations in pakistan would basically mean ceasing the entire afghan war

the interpretation of petraeus as CIA cheif has been that he's "mr. drone". maybe that's way off, but a complete drone moratorium seems kind of unlikely.

not that i wouldn't mind 'cutting and running' personally!

goole, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:54 (fourteen years ago)

if you guys really believe that this was a deal btw the isi and the cia over drone strikes, you should check out this poster "captain lorax"

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:55 (fourteen years ago)

Does anybody believe that 3 apaches and a chinook just waltzed in "undetected" to Pakistan airspace, conduct a 40 minute firefight/extraction during which one gets shot down by a RPG (whoops sorry, the White House claims a "mechanical"), and leave unchecked, all within 1000 yards of Pakistan's largest military academy?

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:57 (fourteen years ago)

wake up, sheeple!

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:57 (fourteen years ago)

what would be their reason for hiding pakistan's co-operation, if it existed?

presumably pakistan would not want to broadcast their cooperation because they depend on terrorist groups to hassle india (also fear of direct terrorist retaliation inside pakistan)

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:58 (fourteen years ago)

uhhh one of shastas links is a pakistani news article broadcasting pakistani intelligence-sharing leading to the osama mission

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:00 (fourteen years ago)

this geopolitical stuff seems awfully morally compromised!

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:00 (fourteen years ago)

"For Pakistan's rulers it's a catch-22. Should they announce that they had advance knowledge about the American mission, radical elements within Pakistan will blame them for the death of their leader. Should they claim that they had no information about the mission, they end up looking incompetent."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/03/3206700.htm

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:02 (fourteen years ago)

max is that the "dawn.com" one? i got a weird interstitial when i clicked on it, got the heebie jeebies and closed the window

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:03 (fourteen years ago)

the one from onlinenews.com.pk

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:03 (fourteen years ago)

the cia and isi communicate a lot. it is not weird for them to be meeting all the time! especially not one month after a cia agent was arrested for murdering two pakistani citizens.

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:04 (fourteen years ago)

and this is all making the assumption that "the isi" is a unified, indivisible institution w/ a single power center

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:05 (fourteen years ago)

Huh, there was actually a third envoy one week ago today, Petraeus was near Islamabad:

"SAF commander General David Petraeus paid a visit to Islamabad on April 25 and he is said to have held "a short and crisp" discussion with Kayani at Chaklala airbase, an unusual venue for a meeting.

The two generals are even said to have taken a short trip to an undisclosed location in an aircraft.

The same night Petraeus joined a White House meeting chaired by President Barack Obama through teleconferencing.

Observers feel that Obama referred to that meeting in his speech yesterday in which he announced the death of bin Laden."

http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?720841

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:05 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqoMgUkefXw
"aquaman's problem now"

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:06 (fourteen years ago)

yeah i think indian newspapers are definitely the best place to get information about pakistans military

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:06 (fourteen years ago)

i'd be just as willing to believe that this was done w/o knowledge of the pakistanis as a huge fuck-you, your country sucks, deal with it.

but yeah the logistics of it are waaay beyond my amateur war-nerdery to figure out. a few helicopters? and they dumped him in the ocean? there isn't really an ocean nearby... those things must have good range, who knows.

goole, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:06 (fourteen years ago)

he was buried in the arabian sea apparently

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:08 (fourteen years ago)

uh atlantis, WAKE UP

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:09 (fourteen years ago)

Wait, is the implication that Pakistan used OBL as a bargaining chip to ... stop drone attacks? That doesn't make any sense to me, so I must have read it wrong. What does Pakistan gain from such an agreement? The drone thing is a red herring, because we'll sure as hell keep them up if we need to, especially following a concession from Pakistan/the ISI that they knew where OBL was. Pakistan might emerge from such a hypothetical agreement briefly drone-free, but I can't see how the country would possibly be in a better position vis a vis its relationship with the US.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:09 (fourteen years ago)

they'd have to fly over all of pk to get there!

xps

goole, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:10 (fourteen years ago)

Did they chum the water first?

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:10 (fourteen years ago)

they flew to bagram air base first.

joe, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:11 (fourteen years ago)

they'd have to fly over all of pk to get there!

xps

― goole, Tuesday, May 3, 2011 1:10 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

we have a few bases in afghanistan they could have stopped at!

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:11 (fourteen years ago)

xp lol

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:12 (fourteen years ago)

Let's just see, eh? Taking Indian security source cum grano salis vs Bush wouldn't authorize blanket drone grounding in P-stan and hence didn't get the prize can be verified if there's a dramatic reduction in drone strikes. We should be able to check up on this in the months ahead.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:14 (fourteen years ago)

What does Pakistan gain from such an agreement?

Resumption of full sovereignty/political cover.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:14 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxVdU2eVYSg&feature=player_embedded

Frightening, but full of facts that are difficult to argue with. (dan m), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:17 (fourteen years ago)

Also Shasta's first link has a rebuttal from w/i Indian security forces:

"However, another security expert, Ajay Sahni, differs. In his view, bin Laden’s elimination was a top secret operation done by the US alone and has increased problems for Pakistan, as it is caught in a dilemma whether to concur for providing help to the US in killing the Al-Qaeda leader or feign ignorance of his presence in a garrison town like Abbottabad where he was being “kept in an ISI safehouse”. “It is doomed either way. It cannot claim not knowing Osama’s presence nor can it say that the US operated on its own deep inside its territory without its knowledge. Pakistan establishment now should brace for severe Al-Qaeda retaliation,” he warned."

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:21 (fourteen years ago)

Oh damn, goole already posted. Oh well...

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:23 (fourteen years ago)

this geopolitical stuff seems awfully morally compromised!

― your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 6:00 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark

moment of clarity or sarcasm?

lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:25 (fourteen years ago)

max otm basically on all this stuff but im not even sure how it amounts to a 'conspiracy' yet

just vague sense that the cia and navy seals did some kinda underhand shit, but that's crazy talk

lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:27 (fourteen years ago)

can't tell if this is just tuff talk or if the party's over

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-bin-laden-pakistan-aid-20110503,0,4581823.story

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:29 (fourteen years ago)

'pakistan' didn't harbour osama, this is the whole thing

and this is all making the assumption that "the isi" is a unified, indivisible institution w/ a single power center

― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 6:05 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark

basically applies to whole country

lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:30 (fourteen years ago)

Greenwald on that John Brennan asshole and the other liars:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/05/03/propaganda_bin_laden/index.html

and the Ground Zero circus:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/03/no-dignity-ground-zero-frat-boy

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:33 (fourteen years ago)

some clues as to how the helicopters evaded pakistani defences

joe, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:34 (fourteen years ago)

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkjsa0vvlq1qzu2tdo1_400.gif

am0n, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:34 (fourteen years ago)

Did they chum the water first?

― Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), T

They did by throwing Osama in it.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:35 (fourteen years ago)

greenwald is a bore

he thinks osama firing back made killing him legally justifiable? really? the navy seals were breaking all kinds of laws national and international just being there.

lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:37 (fourteen years ago)

moment of clarity or sarcasm?

― lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 5:25 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lolled

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:38 (fourteen years ago)

lolled banks

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:38 (fourteen years ago)

can we just take a moment to enjoy some recent edit history on Osama's wiki

Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden (Arabic: أسامة بن محمد بن عوض بن لادن‎, ʾUsāmah bin Muḥammad bin ʿAwaḍ bin Lādin; March 10, 1957 – May 2, 2011)[1][2][3] was the founder of the al-Qaeda organization, which is largely believed to be responsible for the September 11 attacks on the United States[citation needed] and numerous other mass-casualty attacks against civilian and military targets. He was also a member of the wealthy Saudi bin Laden family. ROT IN HELL YOU BASTARD. USA!USA!USA!

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:42 (fourteen years ago)

Place of birth Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Place of death Abbottabad, Pakistan
Resting place Arabian Sea
Allegiance The Devil

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:42 (fourteen years ago)

Speaking of "frat boy reactions," Leon Panetta is excitingly speculating about which actors should portray him in the movie about the Hunt for bin Laden, helpfully suggesting Al Pacino.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:43 (fourteen years ago)

Given what Pacino does these days, that sounds apt.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:45 (fourteen years ago)

inspired

lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:45 (fourteen years ago)

maybe Leon Panetta can play Al Pacino!

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:46 (fourteen years ago)

I somewhat concur w/'frat boy reactions' analysis but I'm not sure they were any less dignified than the kids in Abbottabad claiming that Osama was still alive or the ppl in Quetta all butthurt that he wasn't - popular demonstrations are often vulgar.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:46 (fourteen years ago)

popular demonstrations are often vulgar.

like that youtube I posted above, shit's hilarious

Frightening, but full of facts that are difficult to argue with. (dan m), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:47 (fourteen years ago)

Also, why have we not heard from Abbottt about all this? She was the first person I thought of when I heard the news.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:47 (fourteen years ago)

As irritated as I am that the media got suckered, once again, by tales of cowardice on the part of our enemies, I think complaining about the "vulgarity" of demonstrations is almost as stupid.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:49 (fourteen years ago)

It's pretty pointless

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:50 (fourteen years ago)

Y'all know my respect for Greenwald, but he's posted hack work the last two days. Steve Coll's New Yorker piece boasted the best show of ambivalence.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:52 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSbecu_egQE

impeccable suit shit stained underwear (thebingo), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:58 (fourteen years ago)

yeah i don't think greenwald really has his position on this whole thing worked out and it's kinda showing (not many of us do though)

otoh his point about believing the gov't account of the events is a fair one, even if the evidence he presents leaves me concluding they "were maybe not telling the truth" rather than they "were lying"

estkella (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 18:00 (fourteen years ago)

this geopolitical stuff seems awfully morally compromised!

― your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 6:00 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark

moment of clarity or sarcasm?

― lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), dinsdag 3 mei 2011 19:25 (25 minutes ago) Bookmark

LOL!

This instantly reminded me of Jerry and Elaine going: "Real George, or opposite?" after George said something wild, and then quickly agreeing: "Opposite."

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 18:02 (fourteen years ago)

"Walk back" is one of the most odious clichés extant.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 18:03 (fourteen years ago)

why is that odious

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 18:04 (fourteen years ago)

was john brennan even in The Room when this happened?

goole, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 18:06 (fourteen years ago)

"walk back" = euphemistic way of saying at best "revise" or, at worst , "lie."

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 18:09 (fourteen years ago)

was john brennan even in The Room when this happened?

Isn't he in the official WH photo released?

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 18:09 (fourteen years ago)

Tommy Wiseau joek

Mordy, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 18:11 (fourteen years ago)

i can't remember, i'm looking for it.

goole, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 18:11 (fourteen years ago)

hmmm!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=173_1304363717

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 18:12 (fourteen years ago)

nrq, yer the biggest fucking bore imaginable. Alfred, raeding too much Sullivan has put you w/in shouting distance.

goin lookin for OBAMA WARLORD t-shirt, bye pundits

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 18:21 (fourteen years ago)

I'm sorry I proffered Steve Coll in return for Dennis Perrin and Greenwald.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 18:24 (fourteen years ago)

Mission accomplished:

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/223036_748065299184_20302192_38563288_2386802_n.jpg

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 19:07 (fourteen years ago)

ceasing drone operations in pakistan would basically mean ceasing the entire afghan war

the interpretation of petraeus as CIA cheif has been that he's "mr. drone". maybe that's way off, but a complete drone moratorium seems kind of unlikely.

not that i wouldn't mind 'cutting and running' personally!

― goole, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:54 (2 hours ago)

Mr. drone, that's my name, that name again is mr. drone.

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 19:26 (fourteen years ago)

jon lee anderson ruminates on the death of che

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2011/05/burial-lessons-from-che-to-bin-laden.html#ixzz1LIoFN9Y5

When, on the morning of October 9, 1967, Che was executed by Bolivian army rangers in an operation overseen by the C.I.A., his bullet-riddled body was airlifted by helicopter to the nearby town of Vallegrande. That afternoon, after nuns had washed his corpse, the dead Che was put on public display in the laundry house of the town’s hospital. Che’s corpse was viewed by hundreds of curious locals and a handful of journalists, who photographed it and filmed it. By that time, Bolivia’s military high command had issued a communiqué that Che had died of wounds suffered in battle. Guevara had, in fact, died of bullet wounds—but not in battle. After being wounded and taken alive, he had been held overnight, in the dirt-floored schoolhouse of a tiny rural hamlet. He was interrogated by a C.I.A. agent and Bolivian officers, and then executed, shot to death at close range by a Bolivian sergeant, who volunteered to do the job. The C.I.A. agent in charge ordered Che’s executioner to shoot him from the neck down so that it looked like he had died in battle, and he did.

i'm entertaining the possibility that what happened in osama's house is maybe not very much like how it's been characterized /alexjones

goole, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 19:31 (fourteen years ago)

greenwald otm. I think the news media's blind eagerness to present bin Laden in cartoon-villain dimensions is subtly more disgraceful than all the drunken jingoistic revelry...

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 19:35 (fourteen years ago)

to think osama was an american hero once upon a time. a valiant freedom fighter!

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 19:38 (fourteen years ago)

Can't wait to read a Sy Hersh piece in the next few weeks/months.

more horses after the main event (Eazy), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 19:48 (fourteen years ago)

Wish he was on Twitter.

more horses after the main event (Eazy), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 19:48 (fourteen years ago)

http://sitelife.aviationweek.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/0/14/8065b635-752f-4a63-ae97-84beaff28a19.Large.jpg

Helicopter by Miuccia Prada

more horses after the main event (Eazy), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 19:53 (fourteen years ago)

Did anyone catch today's White House presser with John Carney to admit errors with John Brennan's claims of Osama's "armed resistance", and use of "wife" as "human shield" who was "killed".

Good stuff.

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 19:57 (fourteen years ago)

did his hair fall out to assume a perfect Ari Fleischer pattern?

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 19:59 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpKqBvbx26s

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:00 (fourteen years ago)

Incredible piece by Gary Younge: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/03/bin-laden-death-us-patriot-reflex

a modest broposal (suzy), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:02 (fourteen years ago)

xpost Yeah, too bad the press is disgracefully failing to depict this guy in the shades of nuance he deserves. On one hand, yeah, he was a messianic bringer of death excused by a twisted ideology. On the other hand, um, he kept cool under pressure?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:04 (fourteen years ago)

the white house press secretary embarrassingly backtracking after incorrect initial accts would strike me as pretty good evidence against a massive--or even mid-sized--conspiracy theory

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:04 (fourteen years ago)

US forces were stationed just a few hundred yards from Osama Bin Laden's Abbottabad compound in October 2008, according to reports within the WikiLeaks embassy cables.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/may/03/us-bin-laden-hideout

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:05 (fourteen years ago)

max, that's what they WANT you to think

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:05 (fourteen years ago)

Thanks Suzy, that is indeed a great article.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:06 (fourteen years ago)

suzy, how is Yonge's substance any different than what D Perrin was saying?

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:08 (fourteen years ago)

xp to Josh in Chi: yeah let's just keep the news media the domain of pandering half-truths and unquestioning parroting of lying government officials. That should work out well for us...

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:08 (fourteen years ago)

pretty sure there's no such thing as a "great article" that starts with a paragraph-long Simpsons reference

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:09 (fourteen years ago)

xpost Yeah, too bad the press is disgracefully failing to depict this guy in the shades of nuance he deserves. On one hand, yeah, he was a messianic bringer of death excused by a twisted ideology. On the other hand, um, he kept cool under pressure?

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, May 3, 2011 4:04 PM (15 seconds ago)

bin laden was even worse

*rimshot*

estkella (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:10 (fourteen years ago)

What an unmitigated piece of shit this woman is.

Speaking at a fundraising event Monday evening, Sarah Palin credited President Bush by name for the death of Osama bin Laden but omitted the name of President Obama in her remarks.

Palin spoke to a crowd at Colorado Christian University in Lakewood, Colo. “Yesterday was a testament to the military’s dedication in relentlessly hunting down an enemy through many years of war,” the former Alaska governor said. “And we thank our president. ... We thank President Bush for having made the right calls to set up this victory.”

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-palin-bin-laden-remarks-20110503,0,4220829.story

Captain Hyrax (Phil D.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:10 (fourteen years ago)

Bam = messianic bringer of revenge

xxp

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:10 (fourteen years ago)

i beat you to that joke!

estkella (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:10 (fourteen years ago)

the white house press secretary embarrassingly backtracking after incorrect initial accts would strike me as pretty good evidence against a massive--or even mid-sized--conspiracy theory

― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 1:04 PM (3 minutes ago)

I'm just trying to imagine the conversations that led up to the back-pedalling... "Oh, wait, he wasn't resisting? Or even armed? Then he must have used his wife as a human shield, right? Oh no, she wasn't a human shield, she was just running out of the way and got shot in the back of the leg? Oh and she didn't die?"

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:11 (fourteen years ago)

it's a little like someone was playing Counterstrike while being briefed on how the mission played out and got confused

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:12 (fourteen years ago)

I hear she's recently single, do we have any pictures?

Then again, with "youngest wife" I'm guessing she is way young, right?

mh, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:13 (fourteen years ago)

sure dude

estkella (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:14 (fourteen years ago)

"Thinking about that from a visual perspective, here is bin Laden, who has been calling for these attacks, living in this million dollar-plus compound, living in an area that is far removed from the front, hiding behind women who were put in front of him as a shield," Brennan said. "I think it really just speaks to just how false his narrative has been over the years."

Pressed on the issue, Brennan said that it was his understanding that the woman killed was bin Laden's wife and that "she was positioned in a way that indicated that she was being used as a shield."

It's possible it may have been a mix-up of two separate incidents during the assault on the compound. As a senior administration official said at a Pentagon briefing Monday: "One woman, who was used as a human shield by one of the four military-age males on the compound, was killed; he was firing behind her. Two women, including one with Osama bin Laden, were wounded. And the rest were not injured at all."

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:15 (fourteen years ago)

i beat you to that joke!

― estkella (k3vin k.), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 8:10 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yours was funnier too

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:15 (fourteen years ago)

But as Politico's Josh Gerstein reports, there's still debate over whether the woman who was killed was being used as a human shield at all.

Another official familiar with the operation said it did not appear that any woman was used as a human shield, but that the woman killed and the one injured were hurt in the crossfire. The official said he believed Brennan had mixed up the episode involving bin Laden's wife with another encounter elsewhere in the compound.

"Two women were shot here. It sounds like their fates were mixed up," said the U.S. official. "This is hours old and the full facts are still being ascertained as those involved are debriefed."

More details emerged at an off-camera briefing for television reporters Monday night, where a senior White House official said bin Laden was not armed when he was killed.

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:16 (fourteen years ago)

http://wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/glennbeck.png

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:16 (fourteen years ago)

New FB avatar thx dude

Captain Hyrax (Phil D.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:17 (fourteen years ago)

"hiding behind women who were put in front of him as a shield"

this means something v different from the way ive seen this thing portrayed

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:17 (fourteen years ago)

the white house press secretary embarrassingly backtracking after incorrect initial accts would strike me as pretty good evidence against a massive--or even mid-sized--conspiracy theory

isn't this standard though? break the news with some concocted bullshit story, recant later after half the country is convinced the first thing they heard was correct? recognizing the spin and lies at work in our military operations does not equal conspiracy theory.

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:17 (fourteen years ago)

that doesn't sound like he was 'spinning' anything though -- its not that bin laden grabbed them as literal shields in the moment, its that the women were with him as a strategy to make it more difficult should the u.s. want to bomb him

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:19 (fourteen years ago)

thats how i read the quote max posted anyway

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:19 (fourteen years ago)

haha i literally could not care less but if the WH wasn't straight-up making shit up they were playing reallll fast & loose with the account they originally received

estkella (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:21 (fourteen years ago)

Everything's fine as long as they radioed "Geronimo, Geronimo, EKIA" when he died.

(I could swear that Chuck Todd was coming when he said that last night.)

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:23 (fourteen years ago)

isn't this standard though? break the news with some concocted bullshit story, recant later after half the country is convinced the first thing they heard was correct? recognizing the spin and lies at work in our military operations does not equal conspiracy theory.

― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 4:17 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

oh sure, im just saying

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:24 (fourteen years ago)

haha i literally could not care less but if the WH wasn't straight-up making shit up they were playing reallll fast & loose with the account they originally received

― estkella (k3vin k.), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 8:21 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not in what was quoted -- 'positioned as a shield" suggests someone outside had put these women in a situation where they would be in harms way, not that bin laden literally grabbed women & used them as a shield

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:25 (fourteen years ago)

what's the over/under on how long this particular debate can go on, I'm on the phone w/my bookie

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:25 (fourteen years ago)

what debate?

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:26 (fourteen years ago)

pick one

A) some jerry bruckheimer narrative bullshit went down like bin laden shooting it out w/ navy seals while using a woman as a human shield

B) they went in there, pacified everyone in the place with extreme prejudice, who the hell knows what else went down, we'll find out in 10 years or so

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:27 (fourteen years ago)

A) sounds more like Naked Gun to me

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:28 (fourteen years ago)

I dunno, I overheard all that shit yesterday on FOX NEWS, who kept repeating it ad nauseam. Like, it wasn't bad enough that he killed thousands of people on our soil, he was also a cowardly piece of shit...it's like, why wouldn't you expect ppl drinking and carousing about bin Laden's death when they are constantly being told by established news media outlets that the War on Terror is essentially a recap of Die Hard 2..

and that's all I was trying to say.

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:29 (fourteen years ago)

(xposts galore I know)

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:30 (fourteen years ago)

whether shield means bin laden was a viking in his dreams or just that he's really good at sleeping

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:30 (fourteen years ago)

surprised the initial account didn't include "bin laden revealed his plans for world domination to the navy seals shortly before they escaped his booby-trapped lair"

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:30 (fourteen years ago)

i hope they don't take out william sadler next~!

omar little, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:30 (fourteen years ago)

any stories about the actual action are straight up last scene in Angels With Dirty Faces biz imo

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:31 (fourteen years ago)

i mean its obviously e3's "B"--but the fact that the white house is already, not 48 hours after the announcement, scrambling to cover its ass about the story? shouldnt that indicate that the forces at play here arent nearly as sophisticated and mysterious as theyve been implied to be?

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:31 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.indiatalkies.com/images/sea-burial438014.jpg

am0n, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:32 (fourteen years ago)

I think the news media's blind eagerness to present bin Laden in cartoon-villain dimensions

haha what

the guy was hard to exaggerate

max otm obv

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:32 (fourteen years ago)

whether shield means bin laden was a viking in his dreams or just that he's really good at sleeping

― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 8:30 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

^ this post is awesome and totally impenetrable

any stories about the actual action are straight up last scene in Angels With Dirty Faces biz imo

― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 8:31 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark

^ this post is on point

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:33 (fourteen years ago)

48 hours after the announcement? it's already legend in sheboygan.

xpssss

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:34 (fourteen years ago)

am0n is that a giant cake or

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:34 (fourteen years ago)

i dont think it had time to make it to sheboygan, my friend

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:34 (fourteen years ago)

"OK boys, let's go say a prayer for a guy who couldn't stick with the CIA when he had a good thing going"

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:34 (fourteen years ago)

Shootout was also preceded by a taunting monologue by Philip Seymour bin Laden.

more horses after the main event (Eazy), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:35 (fourteen years ago)

Who am I to argue with a group of Navy SEALs about the best way to safely complete such an operation? If they said they did things by the book, sounds fine to me.

mh, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:35 (fourteen years ago)

srsly hope that is enormous chocolate mousse bin laden

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:36 (fourteen years ago)

but were arguing at cross-purposes anyway. no one in this country--sheboygan least of all--would care if we just straight-up shot bin laden in the dome piece! so the fact that there appears to be some argument about whether or not he was resisting indicates that this isnt like a planned info release by the pentagon or whomever

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:36 (fourteen years ago)

aero, OTM re: Wiggum's vikingocity and the layers thereof vis-a-vis OBL.

Guy? Guy? It's me, your cousin, Marvin Mann-Dude (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:37 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.imfdb.org/images/a/a9/NAVYSeals_MP5SD_05A.jpg

am0n, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:37 (fourteen years ago)

I think the news media's blind eagerness to present bin Laden in cartoon-villain dimensions

Cf. http://somecamerunning.typepad.com/some_came_running/2011/05/modes-of-representation.html

Captain Hyrax (Phil D.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:37 (fourteen years ago)

i dont think anyone on this thread who is arguing is arguing with someone in this thread

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:39 (fourteen years ago)

max otm but im not sure who is off tm

i guess except the guy who wants us to appreciate the subtle ethical nuances of bin laden

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:39 (fourteen years ago)

xxp wait does this mean that Obama is going to appoint Parker & Stone to the Dept. of Defense?

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:40 (fourteen years ago)

i am arguing with steve shasta i think (?)

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:40 (fourteen years ago)

The strike team at Abbottabad retrieved 10 hard drives, five computers and more than 100 storage devices: disks, DVDs, and thumb drives, a U.S. intelligence official said.

In addition, the team retrieved written material, not further described, but in the past, U.S. forces have retrieved notebooks and address books that were helpful in locating other terrorists. The U.S. intelligence community is willingly releasing this materal, hoping that those who believe their names and personal data are on those devices will go to ground, thus reducing even further the terrorist threat.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:40 (fourteen years ago)

however the media treated this (i dont have cable news) based entirely on that quote max posted it didnt sound like dude was describing it like a michael bay film to me but maybe i missed some important quotes there

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:41 (fourteen years ago)

The strike team at Abbottabad retrieved 10 hard drives, five computers and more than 100 storage devices: disks, DVDs, and thumb drives, a U.S. intelligence official said.

turns out the terrorists are kickass spider solitair players

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:42 (fourteen years ago)

bin Laden loved him some "Space Channel 5"

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:42 (fourteen years ago)

presumably they were smuggling in hard drives loaded with new tv shows, what with their compound not having television or internet access.

mh, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:43 (fourteen years ago)

Osama actually was a big Battlestar Galactica fan

mh, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:43 (fourteen years ago)

Imagine bin Laden being all "the new season of 'Dexter'? PRAISE ALLAH!"

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:44 (fourteen years ago)

He would like that one.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:46 (fourteen years ago)

http://i11.tinypic.com/53ucxtl.gif

mh, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:46 (fourteen years ago)

fave hard drive joke so far was that it was "said to contain unfinished raps and FlipCam videos of the terrorist leader skateboarding around his compound"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:47 (fourteen years ago)

actually I can't decide which would be more incongruous; bin Laden digging "SP5" or bin Laden digging "Samba de Amigo"

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:47 (fourteen years ago)

vids he planned to upload to worldstarhiphop

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:47 (fourteen years ago)

Hawkins: What's he saying?
Leary: Something about your mother.
[Hawkins lowers his gun and slightly alters his aim, hitting the terrorist directly in the forehead with a well-aimed shot]
Hawkins: NEVER talk about Mom...

am0n, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:48 (fourteen years ago)

Do we actually know the names of the people who shot him?

Chep Theodore Knollblazer Jr.

― Let me help you with your URL problems (blueski), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 4:43 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

belated YEAAAAAAAA-

MPx4A, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:53 (fourteen years ago)

Belated 'that must be from an automatic name generator for Martin Amis characters'.

a modest broposal (suzy), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:56 (fourteen years ago)

here's what the media reported, obv based on what they were fed from pentagon and/or WH

Armed with an automatic weapon, the al-Qaeda leader's last act was to force his young bride to sacrifice her life as he tried to fire back at the US Navy Seals storming the compound.

Bin Laden was killed with a single shot to the head after being tracked down to a million-dollar compound just 35 miles from the Pakistani capital, Islamabad, where he is thought to have been living for six years.

The extraordinary details of his last stand were disclosed by the White House as the 13-year hunt for the world's most wanted man finally reached its bloody end.

and this is what the takeaway in sheboygan will be. it's not the 19th century. everybody knew what "happened" by monday morning. the small percentage of ppl who actually pay attention to the news will hear about the retraction, and the rest of them, well unfortunately you will be arguing with them at family barbecues for the next 5 years as they insist bin laden died in a hail of bullets behind his beautiful concubine-wife human shield while unloading his weapon on navy seals...

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:58 (fourteen years ago)

"Bin Laden was killed with a single shot to the head"

give or take 300 shots or so...

(i mean, i'm just speculating, but i'm guessing everyone in the room would want in on the action once they saw who they were shooting.)

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:00 (fourteen years ago)

The special forces involved in the attack work under the aegis of the Joint Special Operations Command, which does not routinely provide accurate public information about its activities or "secret warriors," according to National Journal's Marc Ambinder. He reported Monday:

Several dozen JSOC operatives have died in Pakistan over the past several years. Their names are released by the Defense Department in the usual manner, but with a cover story -- generally, they were killed in training accidents in eastern Afghanistan. That's the code.
The new "narrative" laid out by Tuesday was written by the Department of Defense, Carney said.
I don't imagine that many Americans will care whether bin Laden was armed or not when he resisted the individual who confronted him in Abbottabad. His "nature" was revealed to us long ago.

But the "narrative" of his death remains of significance to those who might seek to follow in his foot-steps. That's why its worth looking at these early reports with a skeptical eye.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:00 (fourteen years ago)

How many casualties were there on the US side?

MPx4A, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:01 (fourteen years ago)

I am challopping that this hit was a "gimme"* courtesy of some level of Pakistan ISI/mil/gov cooperation, a culmination of 3-4 weeks ramped up power broker meetings between Petraeus/envoy diplos and various Pakistan military/intel chiefs. (*rather than the primary result of Bush/Obama interrogation and intel.)

Also, I'm suggesting that a lot of the facts that the US press has been given is fairy tale hawk fodder ($250M stealth helicopter "mechanicals", bin laden's "last stand", bizarrely contradictory details despite multiple video/photo documentation at scene).

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:03 (fourteen years ago)

xp just TRUTH

joe, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:03 (fourteen years ago)

do you think these guys care about a press conference? retractions are for pussies!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/USAUSAUSA.jpg

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:04 (fourteen years ago)

yeah e3 i just dont think its quite as sinister as all that. like the idea that the pentagon's plan all along was to feed the press a bullshit story and then retract it six hours later? so that sheboygan (which, again, like most of the country, couldnt possibly care less if osama used anyone as a human shield or was carrying a gun) would hear the human shield bit and then, being naturally incurious, not read anything else about the death? for... what purpose? i mean why bother? why bother retracting, for one thing?

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:05 (fourteen years ago)

oh wait i keep forgetting O and everyone where watching the whole thing. so i guess they didn't really get to take target practice on osama or anything...

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:07 (fourteen years ago)

i mean guys the pentagon is not that smart. they couldnt keep their shit together with pat tillman or jessica lynch, what makes them such public-relations badasses all of a sudden?

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:07 (fourteen years ago)

jihadist operatives hacked into the livefeed of the attack and are about to expose administration lies

buzza, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:07 (fourteen years ago)

I remember working one summer a few years ago picking up trash around the college of a conservative business college...from what I gathered the student apts. were mainly occupied by kids from the Netherlands for some reason; they were constantly burning chairs and couches. I'd drive out there monday morning to see the charred remains of some new piece of furniture.

They liked to throw jars of jam against walls too

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:10 (fourteen years ago)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/USAUSAUSA.jpg
"celebrate around a burning couch"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:12 (fourteen years ago)

right...?

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:13 (fourteen years ago)

that photo is cracking me up

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:13 (fourteen years ago)

Isn't it good, Norwegian Wood?

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:13 (fourteen years ago)

seems like it would be really really really hard to pull off a successful government conspiracy in this day and age

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:15 (fourteen years ago)

especially with all you smart dudes on the internet and your theories

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:15 (fourteen years ago)

forget that max is blase about our pro-Freedom administration lying their asses off to us just like BushCheneyCo, I have the sniffles over that sacrificed couch in the pic

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:15 (fourteen years ago)

(wait did Obama die of multiple gunshot wounds or a single shot to the head? or am i a dickhead for wondering?)

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:16 (fourteen years ago)

i mean guys the pentagon is not that smart. they couldnt keep their shit together with pat tillman or jessica lynch, what makes them such public-relations badasses all of a sudden?

they're not! and forget about motives, whether it's sinister or fog of war or human nature or run of the mill self-delusion, w/e. seeing how this went down and then going, well, they wouldn't intentionally lie to us about THIS seems kinda disingenuous to me.

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:16 (fourteen years ago)

xp (or was that all part of the retraction?)

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:17 (fourteen years ago)

oh wait i keep forgetting O and everyone where watching the whole thing.

I'm pretty sure that not every single soldier was wearing a helmet cam and that everythign was visible in the middle of the night.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:18 (fourteen years ago)

max takes Fed spin on pure show business terms just like a post-democracy pundit should

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:18 (fourteen years ago)

that typo will always be funny

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:18 (fourteen years ago)

i took max's point to be, if they were intentionally lying to us, why admit the account was wrong? considering there was no pressure and no way their story could be authoritatively challenged.

joe, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:19 (fourteen years ago)

these days i'm just having trouble telling the truth from the lies!!!!

omar little, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:19 (fourteen years ago)

what are we assuming was being watched in that now-famous room pic? like, helmet cams or something?

xp ha i guess yes, helmet cams it is!

goole, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)

Ubama Hussein

mh, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)

my eyes are rolled so far back in my head at this point i look like little orphan annie

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)

jeez louise!!!! we need a straight shooter to tell it like it is!!!!

omar little, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)

that's so you don't have to see their LIES man

xp

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:21 (fourteen years ago)

i think they could have just "went with it" w/r/t the first story because it was not necessarily unbelievable and to change the story to another "lie" seems to be a reach. i'm sure there are things they are not telling us but i'm sure there's also a lot of confusion with how everything went down so none of this should be surprising. of course, osama bin laden may also still be ALIVE for all we know!!!

omar little, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:22 (fourteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure that not every single soldier was wearing a helmet cam and that everythign was visible in the middle of the night.

On my drive home I heard "a caller from Jacksonville" on the local right wing talk show vow that should a helmet cam video get made and released it would sell "twenty million copies" in one week, "and I'd be the first in line to buy it!"

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:23 (fourteen years ago)

9/11 was an inside job, so there's that

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:24 (fourteen years ago)

xp: uh

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:24 (fourteen years ago)

maxgawkerpic+annie-eyes.jpg

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:24 (fourteen years ago)

I mean first off, it would get pirated and torrented

Secondly, if it exists it's already been made, this isn't like the "moon landing" ffs

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:25 (fourteen years ago)

I'm talking about a guy from Jacksonville calling in a right wing radio station.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:26 (fourteen years ago)

dan should've called in to argue w/ him

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:27 (fourteen years ago)

Obama might wait a few months and be all "by the way, check out these pictures of his dead body"

but I want a bongo drum (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:27 (fourteen years ago)

This looks/sounds to me like Admin firgures scrambling all over themselves to get a good story, like SEALs who had no compunction whatsoever about shooting ppl in a middle-of-the-night raid in semi-hostile country but may have overelaborated how it all went down and like press eager to get all the details out as fast as they could.

From the very beginning and up to yesterday morning I wasn't sure:

If OBL's wife were dead or one of the courrier's wives;
Which of OBL sons had been killed;
Whether it was a single shot to the head or one to the chest and one to the head;
and
How many helicopters there were.

They were pretty quick to correct that he was shooting, just that he was 'participating in the firefight', whatever that means. I merely assumed that means he was getting in the way of bullets. And the human shield thing was quickly dispelled, too, though I can see why ppl would be more hellbent to use it than to check the facts.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:27 (fourteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure that not every single soldier was wearing a helmet cam and that everythign was visible in the middle of the night.

― Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 9:18 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

producer in a van outside the compound--"3, pull in tight. tight. goin to 3 aaaaaaaaaand go to 3"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:27 (fourteen years ago)

Exactly!

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:29 (fourteen years ago)

I was thinking you'd have to have one hell of a director to choose between 24+ feeds in real time and produce a narrative of any intelligibility.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:30 (fourteen years ago)

Would it not be easier to say that Brennan/unnamed sources to f'rinstance AP had great big warboners over this, spoke while under the influence, and then move on?

Alternate theory is that the tabloids/right-wing organs got the ladyshield/badass gunfight version out there on purpose.

a modest broposal (suzy), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:31 (fourteen years ago)

Pictured: The President and his national security team watch an experimental all-night-vision film in the Situation Room. xp

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:31 (fourteen years ago)

I was thinking you'd have to have one hell of a director to choose between 24+ feeds in real time and produce a narrative of any intelligibility.

― Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 9:30 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

as long as they work in the love interest subplot

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:31 (fourteen years ago)

Would it not be easier to say that Brennan/unnamed sources to f'rinstance AP had great big warboners over this, spoke while under the influence, and then move on?

Alternate theory is that the tabloids/right-wing organs got the ladyshield/badass gunfight version out there on purpose.

― a modest broposal (suzy), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 5:31 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

these arent mutually exclusive either.

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:33 (fourteen years ago)

see when i heard about the burial at sea thing i just figured that they shot him so many times that there was no way they could take a picture so they all just went ewwwwwww, get that thing out of here.

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:36 (fourteen years ago)

I'm glad he's dead. I'm more curious as to what this means to Pakistan/Afghanistan in the coming future than spending my times burning couches in the street and repeatedly yelling, "USA!"

I suspect that photos will emerge sooner than later. Arresting and trying might have dispelled the 'Americans are hypocrites' story I'm hearing but I think we ARE hypocrites and mostly because the Repubs are a bunch of whiney cowards who have a vested interest in sticking to an essentially indefensible story lest they look worse than they already do. If that sounds partisan, allow me to say what I think about many of actions in WWII or Vietnam when the Democrats were in power. Ppl are swine, generally.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:38 (fourteen years ago)

George Bush was relentlessly mocked for waiting seven minutes (actually waiting for his security detail to ready the exit and for his vehicle to be readied) before leaving the school he was visiting. He calmly finished reading My Pet Goat for the kids before going to his now-ready helicopter.

On the other hand, after Obama was told (most likely for the fifteenth time) that the CIA was really, really, really quite confident that Osama bin Ladin was at that compound in Abbottabad, he decided he needed to sleep on it.

Sixteen hours later (hours during which Osama might have fled-- bear in mind, his courier's name had just been outed by WikiLeaks), he made up his mind.

How does the media report this? Well, relying upon those in Obama's inner circle (that is to say, his political flunkies and spinners), we're told this:

"But the next morning after 16 hours, Obama summoned four top aides to the White House Diplomatic Room. Before they could speak, the president put his fist on the table and declared 'It's a go'."
Why does it matter that he did this "before they could speak"? They had spoken already yesterday when they strongly, strongly urged the president to give the order, and he had decided to sleep on it.

They were only waiting on him, after all.

So, after 16 hours of vacillation, during which the operation might have been rendered a failure by intervening invents, he fist-bumps a piece of furniture and finally makes up his mind.

This is something to brag about? This is, in Howard Fineman's words, "almost Biblical"?

Seems like a very cautious, feckless, indecisive individual delaying and delaying on critical decisions and then attempting to sound heroic when he finally does what he's being paid to do.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:38 (fourteen years ago)

spending my times burning couches in the street and repeatedly yelling, "USA!"

i can just imagine you doing this, anyway

goole, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:39 (fourteen years ago)

"Ppl are swine, generally."

otm

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:39 (fourteen years ago)

Bush waiting seven minutes for any intelligence when events were currently happening versus Obama waiting 16 hours after hearing very probable intelligence, with nothing currently happening.

mh, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:41 (fourteen years ago)

his courier's name had just been outed by WikiLeaks

apparently it's not likely to be the same guy - the wikileaks info dates back to 2003. but obviously that's the least of that guy's problems.

joe, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:41 (fourteen years ago)

yep

"we were just attacked" + 7 minutes vs. "he's probably in there."

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:41 (fourteen years ago)

Bush is still waiting for intelligence to visit him, fnarr.

I instantly thought burial at sea was a shrine avoidance move, but cordially invite the overly jingoistic to go and dance on OBL's grave after they're done beerbonging at Ground Zero.

Am I incorrect in recalling that quite a few people involved with this on the 'right' phoned up their go-to press guys on Sunday night to 'spoil' the news?

a modest broposal (suzy), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:42 (fourteen years ago)

I am not so high-falutin' that I don't get the warboners/public spectacle aspect of this and I'm not so censorious as to kick the administration in the nuts over it but when the dust settles on this, it's not all that significant; he was essentially under house arrest anyway and the real issues are what to do in the long run about Afghanistan, its corruption, tribal politics, poppy production and the threat from the Taliban, the ingerence of the ISI, etc...

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:42 (fourteen years ago)

i'm pretty sure 150 years from now when a future earth grad student is writing their lame dissertation about whatever trendy theory bullshit of the 2160s and the assassination of Osama Bin Laden they'll include in a footnote the apocryphal story of him using a wife as a human shield that some ppl believe but doesn't seem to be historically validated and that'll be that.

Mordy, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:43 (fourteen years ago)

So, after 16 hours of vacillation

Forcing the narrative. Your vacillation is my weighing the pros and cons from a broad perspective in light of intel that shows he's not going anywhere and making sure that we do it right. Maybe not feckless at all. Maybe just not a shoot from the hip and take of your foot rush to be a stupid, rash braggart asshole.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:45 (fourteen years ago)

are we going to start clowning year 2235 hipster chicks for their gravity uggs?

omar little, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:46 (fourteen years ago)

bush would have found a way to fuck it up. big time.

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:46 (fourteen years ago)

Western paranoid narcissism about retaliatory attacks DO NOT NEED.

a modest broposal (suzy), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:48 (fourteen years ago)

one of the scary things about obama is that he's reinforced the security-state apparatus that bush put into place but he actually seems competent enough to make it work

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:48 (fourteen years ago)

^^^ I had that complaint in 2008.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:49 (fourteen years ago)

are we going to start clowning year 2235 hipster chicks for their gravity uggs?

Please tell me you mean anti gravity uggs 'cause I can't imagine uggs being any more plodding than they already are.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:49 (fourteen years ago)

I forgot who wrote recently that Obama did with expanded executive authority what Eisenhower did with the New Deal.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:50 (fourteen years ago)

I can't believe Obama took time to think before taking a major decision.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:51 (fourteen years ago)

plus i always figured that cheney or someone would have told bush NOT to kill osama if he had the chance just cuz alive he was good for business or something. but i'm cynical like that.

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:51 (fourteen years ago)

i'm of course accounting for the year 2134 asteroid completely fucking up newton's law, mw

omar little, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:51 (fourteen years ago)

Ah, okay, omar. Just checking.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:53 (fourteen years ago)

btw, resistance = "He didn't hold up his hands and surrender."

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:59 (fourteen years ago)

i think its a given that he was never coming out of there alive. there's no way they would let him live. it would have been a nightmare. and i think almost everyone on earth is good with that.

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 22:01 (fourteen years ago)

so, really, case closed. good job, dudes. have a bud on me. or something.

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 22:02 (fourteen years ago)

George Bush was relentlessly mocked for waiting seven minutes (actually waiting for his security detail to ready the exit and for his vehicle to be readied) before leaving the school he was visiting. He calmly finished reading My Pet Goat for the kids before going to his now-ready helicopter.

what BS article did this quote originate in?

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 22:03 (fourteen years ago)

I believe it was in his autobiography, right before he suited up and led the first sortie in Afghanistan.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 22:18 (fourteen years ago)

can we invade Texas next? after we get all the civilians out first of course

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 22:21 (fourteen years ago)

Is that where Bush is currently hiding?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 22:22 (fourteen years ago)

latest intel says he's at Six Flags

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 22:23 (fourteen years ago)

Panetta confirms the mission was to kill bin Laden unless he immediately and fully surrendered, which he did not.

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 22:33 (fourteen years ago)

(reading lightening fast from a card) "Osamabinaldendoyousurrender?No?"

Blam.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 22:38 (fourteen years ago)

lightning fast that is.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 22:38 (fourteen years ago)

whoever upthread said 'more like 300 bullets' is on it i think, like how can you be delta force guy in that room with obl and not fire a shot

i mean i know its not like these guys aint disciplined as fuck but you know at least they all wanted a trigger pull

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 22:55 (fourteen years ago)

i didn't know that osama actually had that house built! and had lived there for 6 years!??

hahaha! oh pakistanpaws.

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 23:05 (fourteen years ago)

being totally delusional, i'm of course hoping those 10 hard drives etc. will lead to the capture of at least a few other Made men, giving any rational president the cover he needs to say "Mission Accomplished-ish we're outta here"

Cosmo Vitelli, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 23:07 (fourteen years ago)

whoever upthread said 'more like 300 bullets' is on it i think, like how can you be delta force guy in that room with obl and not fire a shot

i mean i know its not like these guys aint disciplined as fuck but you know at least they all wanted a trigger pull

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, May 3, 2011 10:55 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think to be these guys u have to be pretty damn disciplined actually

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 23:32 (fourteen years ago)

i think hoos actually already said that, unless there a substantial difference between being disciplined as fuck and pretty damned disciplined.

estela, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 23:50 (fourteen years ago)

how about "they are prob the most disciplined motherfuckers on the planet"

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 00:07 (fourteen years ago)

I am challopping that this hit was a "gimme"* courtesy of some level of Pakistan ISI/mil/gov cooperation, a culmination of 3-4 weeks ramped up power broker meetings between Petraeus/envoy diplos and various Pakistan military/intel chiefs. (*rather than the primary result of Bush/Obama interrogation and intel.)

i dunno, whatever, your sources are pretty flimsy, and it seems unlikely to me the US will now stop drone attacks -- but how is this a challop anyway?

lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 00:10 (fourteen years ago)

never trust a guy who doesnt know what a challop is

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 00:11 (fourteen years ago)

i think hoos actually already said that, unless there a substantial difference between being disciplined as fuck and pretty damned disciplined.

― estela, Tuesday, May 3, 2011 11:50 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ha. i didnt notice that. regardless, this kind of surmising makes me o_O

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 00:14 (fourteen years ago)

Would be a good time to hear from Tombot.

a modest broposal (suzy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 00:14 (fourteen years ago)

Obama-Osama typo is a little less funny when you tote up who's killed more civilians in the last 2 years. L'il bit.

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 00:19 (fourteen years ago)

do you actually know

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 00:20 (fourteen years ago)

well the underachiever likes publicity about it. so pretty sure

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 00:21 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12413469

lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 00:24 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/25/suicide-bomb-pakistan-scores-dead

lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 00:24 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/09/pakistan-suicide-bomber-k_1_n_833413.html

lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 00:25 (fourteen years ago)

troll

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 00:25 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/10/obamas-afghan-legacy-more_n_833915.html

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 00:27 (fourteen years ago)

im not crazy about the US being in afghanistan

The military data show that 2,537 civilians were killed and 5,594 were wounded over the past two years, attributing 88 percent of those casualties to insurgents.

this is quite difficult to analyse, though

i guess you could say they were all really killed by obama

or that if he had pulled out it would have remained an incredibly violent and unpleasant place

shrug

lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 00:30 (fourteen years ago)

no its all pretty black and white

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 00:31 (fourteen years ago)

waging a pointless war is, yeah

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 00:32 (fourteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/ZiaQb.png

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 00:33 (fourteen years ago)

Don't know if anyone has posted this, but the famed MLK quote of yesterday is 2/3 accurate:

http://www.salon.com/news/osama_bin_laden/index.html?story=/opinion/walsh/politics/2011/05/03/obama_osama_mlk

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 00:47 (fourteen years ago)

yea it was briefly discussed upthread. surprisingly most of my friends caught it before I did this morning on FB.

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 01:41 (fourteen years ago)

man's capacity for embracing compassionate statements surpassed only by capacity for engaging in joyless pedantry

dayo, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 01:43 (fourteen years ago)

A local radio station just played "Right Here, Right Now," which should underscore the lager louts outside the White House.

more horses after the main event (Eazy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 01:44 (fourteen years ago)

well in this case the pedantry was pretty warranted, nothing to me is more annoying than people putting words in the mouth of dead figureheads.

also supposedly the Mark Twain quote was fake too.

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 01:45 (fourteen years ago)

whoever plays Jesus Jones is clearly in league with the enemy

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 01:45 (fourteen years ago)

A local radio station just played "Right Here, Right Now," which should underscore the lager louts outside the White House.

― more horses after the main event (Eazy), Wednesday, May 4, 2011 1:44 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

love this song. i bet the SEALS were listening to it too

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 01:46 (fourteen years ago)

WWJJD

some dude, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 01:47 (fourteen years ago)

i assumed we were talking abt FBS

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 01:50 (fourteen years ago)

lol

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 01:50 (fourteen years ago)

heres hoping whiney makes fun of me for this one

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 01:51 (fourteen years ago)

Charlie Savage on the case as usual, this time regarding torture.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 01:54 (fourteen years ago)

At a press conference in Kabul, special envoy Staffan de Mistura called particular attention to the increased number of casualties among women and children.

But he said numbers only tell so much of the story. "The figures indicate that the international forces have made an effort to reduce civilian casualties," he said. "However let's not forget that the whole purpose of the engagement in Afghanistan is the protection of civilians.

"That's why we understand and we feel all together that while we are sending out one message to the Taliban and to the anti-government forces, we are also requesting and reminding the internationals that one victim, one civilian victim, is one too many."

special envoy Staffan de Mistura otm

wish ppl would err on the side of being big softies for whom one pointless death is an outrage instead of realistic men of the world

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 01:54 (fourteen years ago)

when if not now does a death cease to be "pointless"

some dude, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 01:57 (fourteen years ago)

"Nothing to me is more annoying than people putting words in the mouth of dead figureheads." -Kurt Vonnegut

more horses after the main event (Eazy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:15 (fourteen years ago)

haha!

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:16 (fourteen years ago)

The Taliban were/are pretty much the most indiscriminately assholish people on the planet, so I have no deep grief in seeing them marginalized or hopefully even swept away by whatever the hell the end game in Afghanistan ends up being. I remember signing petitions by school womens' groups in 1998/1999ish urging the US government to act, by at least boycotting trade and stopping payoffs, in order to diminish their influence.

These were the guys who had weekly beheadings in former soccer fields for "offenses against Islam" and thought that lining up a bunch of gay guys against a brick wall and then driving a tank over the other side of the wall were great ideas. Seriously, fuck those guys.

mh, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:21 (fourteen years ago)

one of the worst things about the Taliban fiasco in 01 is that they caused Americans to embrace the Northern Alliance as if they weren't also piece of shit warlords and thugs too.

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:37 (fourteen years ago)

For some reason every time I see "Northern Alliance" I get confused and think it has something to do with Ireland.

mh, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:38 (fourteen years ago)

The Taliban are a high quality enemy, to be sure.

Aimless, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:39 (fourteen years ago)

I remember thinking in 2001 that fighting with the Northern Alliance made it sound like we were in Star Wars

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:40 (fourteen years ago)

God I woulda killed to hear Dubya tell someone they were part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:40 (fourteen years ago)

I hope they don't end up showing this picture they keep talking about.

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:44 (fourteen years ago)

me too. I really have no desire to see it, it's grotesque

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:45 (fourteen years ago)

and it's not like it's gonna allay any of the conspiracy theorist's doubts

"SHOPPED! LOOK, THOSE BULLET HOLES IN HIS LEFT CHEEK LOOK TOTALLY DIGITAL, FUCK THE GOV'T"

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:45 (fourteen years ago)

if they release the photo i hope they do it during my shift

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:46 (fourteen years ago)

can't stand "Right Here, Right Now"

nothing to me is more annoying than people putting words in the mouth of dead figureheads.

yeah esp when we know King would've been all WAY TO GO, TRIAL-AVERSE DOGGS

It seems likely that nobody "put words" in MLK's mouth, it just got conflated with the first sentence in endless pasting. But you have your fun demonizing due-process monkeys.

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:51 (fourteen years ago)

i'm glad we've exhausted all the other related topics that we can now fight about whether the mlb misattribution on fb status messages was intentional or not.

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:53 (fourteen years ago)

mlk*

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:54 (fourteen years ago)

well, it is the end of history

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:54 (fourteen years ago)

http://people.missouristate.edu/WilliamBurling/612%20Drama/Adorno%20Endgame.pdf

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:55 (fourteen years ago)

yea I've seen the error of my ways, Morbs, I'm going ahead and quoting Cat Stevens as saying "Peace is groovy dude", I mean he didn't say it or nothin but I know he feels that way

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:56 (fourteen years ago)

Nothing to gain from releasing the photo beyond a new image nutters (western or otherwise) will affix to placards at protests. The best proof of Bin Laden's death will be the absence of Bin Laden.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:56 (fourteen years ago)

considering I saw a few images with the first non-mlk statement attached next to his portrait, I'm pretty sure people were in fact putting words in his mouth, although not in a matter to intentionally deceive.

mh, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:56 (fourteen years ago)

matter? manner. it's getting late for me.

mh, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:57 (fourteen years ago)

History is excluded, because it itself has dehydrated the power of consciousness to think history, the power of remembrance.

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:57 (fourteen years ago)

xpost yea, all it was was some goofball fuckign up the quote at some point in time, someone copying, then re-copying, and so on, and so forth....

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:57 (fourteen years ago)

"Real Real Real" >>>>> "Right Here Right Now"

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 03:02 (fourteen years ago)

"Real Real Real (Osama's Dead)"

more horses after the main event (Eazy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 03:10 (fourteen years ago)

"Osama's Dead" -- bauhaus

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 03:11 (fourteen years ago)

I remember thinking in 2001 that fighting with the Northern Alliance made it sound like we were in Star Wars

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, May 3, 2011 9:40 PM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark

^^^exactly my thoughts as well

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 03:39 (fourteen years ago)

when if not now does a death cease to be "pointless"

I was referring to the death of civilians, not the death of Osama bin Laden

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 03:44 (fourteen years ago)

if i never hear one more person say "so there was collateral damage, it's their fault for not fleeing the country/not overthrowing their government" I'll be a happy man

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 03:59 (fourteen years ago)

gonna go out on a limb here and say that you will not be a happy man

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 04:11 (fourteen years ago)

thread got real confusing until i realized you guys WEREN'T referring to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZoOiWoaFtg

artisanal rabbit made from single-origin chocolate (reddening), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 09:29 (fourteen years ago)

special envoy Staffan de Mistura otm

wish ppl would err on the side of being big softies for whom one pointless death is an outrage instead of realistic men of the world

are you calling my wife a realistic man of the world

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 11:22 (fourteen years ago)

cheerin-OBL disaster

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 11:23 (fourteen years ago)

Let's not fallout about it.

immer wieder, ralf & günther (NickB), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 11:26 (fourteen years ago)

how is sesame street going to handle explaining this sensitive issue to the kids

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 11:29 (fourteen years ago)

sockmuppets

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 11:37 (fourteen years ago)

*cue Muppet Show theme in internal jukebox*

a modest broposal (suzy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 11:40 (fourteen years ago)

pretty much agree with herculean party pooper glenn greenwald here:

It was striking to note in yesterday's New York Times the obituary of Moshe Landau, the Israeli judge who presided over the 1961 war crimes trial of Adolf Eichmann. It's a reminder that when even the most heinous Nazi war criminals were hunted down by the Israelis, they weren't shot in the head and then dumped into the ocean, but rather were apprehended, tried in a court of law, confronted with the evidence against them for all the world to see, and then punished in accordance with due process. The same was done to leading Nazis found by Allied powers and tried at Nuremberg. It's true that those trials took place after the war was over, but whether Al Qaeda should be treated as active warriors or mere criminals was once one of the few ostensible differences between the two parties on the question of Terrorism.

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 11:45 (fourteen years ago)

(though it does ignore the hundreds, probably thousands of nazis who were in fact hunted down post-armistice and unceremoniously whacked by both military and civilians)

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 11:48 (fourteen years ago)

I don't want to unequivocally call bullshit on that passage bc I don't really remember ppl saying or not saying that Al Qaeda should be treated as mere criminals, but I certainly never believed that Bin Laden was a mere criminal (not sure I'd give him the kinda honorific of being an 'active warrior' either). But what Greenwald waves away with a few words ("It's true that those trials took place after the war was over...") completely invalidates his argument. Yes, that's the major difference between the examples.

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 11:51 (fourteen years ago)

Has Greenwald complained yet that we violated Pakistan's sovereignty to kill Bin Laden?

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 11:56 (fourteen years ago)

i definitely think al qaeda should be treated as "mere" criminals. and i'm afraid i agree with the left-wing consensus that the notion that the united states is "at war" with al qaeda is a bullshit rationale for continuing military spending and expanded executive authority

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 12:02 (fourteen years ago)

Greenwald seems to overlook that the complexities of underlings "just following orders" are myriad. Whereas the acknowledged and admitted figurehead and leader of a global terrorist initiative who repeatedly took (videotaped!) credit for the most heinous of acts (that evidence had already implicated him in even before he explicitly conceded his complicity lacks a certain, shall we say, flexibility, moral or otherwise. I'm truly unsure what a trial would have proven or elicited that would have been beneficial to anyone. Just a lot of noise before we inevitably killed him anyway. And then we would have been compelled to give him a proper burial, thus giving the felled martyr eternal life (symbolically) as an impetus for future villainy.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 12:10 (fourteen years ago)

eichmann had no sizeable constituency to preach to in his trial, which had an elucidatory value beyond its judicial purpose (cf arendt et al, his blunted articulation of his own actuarial sociopathy)

a bin laden trial in america/the hague would likely resemble the milosevic farrago x1000 - a rejection of the court's validity, incessant rambling self-justification, acting-out and grandstanding, likely yielding negligible insight into his criminal enterprise while churning up wahabbist sympathy and martyrdom imagery

'combat death' or veiled summary execution seems the most sensible outcome, and in a utilitarian sense the most just

to which could be adduced further rationales -- the need for certainty (botched pullout could have let him escape), the extraterritorial location, and the inevitable ecstatic and inflammatory execution if tried under american sovereignty (unconscionable to much of the civilized world and a dangerous incitement to much of the rest)

eid orb (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 12:19 (fourteen years ago)

these same people don't want due process or trials for the guys in guantanamo; the level of self righteous bullshit being served up here is silly even by the standards of the day

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 12:22 (fourteen years ago)

Which same ppl? I want trials and justice for the prisoners of guantanamo. What does one thing have to do with another?

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 12:25 (fourteen years ago)

Basically neither the US or Pakistan has its hard-of-thinking fundies under control and it actually shames me, at least on the American side, that adult babies baying incoherently for justice are the world's take-away of who we are. I would also like jury trials for Guantanamo people, and a pony, please.

Tony Blair on R4 making me want to vom but at least I can't see the Botox this way.

a modest broposal (suzy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 12:29 (fourteen years ago)

that adult babies baying incoherently for justice are the world's take-away of who we are.

I don't get this at all. Who is baying?

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 12:32 (fourteen years ago)

The people who are all 'I wanna see his head on a stick' etc...

a modest broposal (suzy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 12:34 (fourteen years ago)

guantanamo xp

estkella (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 12:34 (fourteen years ago)

Are ppl saying that here?

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 12:35 (fourteen years ago)

I don't think anyone is talking about people on this thread.

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 12:48 (fourteen years ago)

the extraterritorial location

well yeah - as goole suggests upthread it would be a bit rich getting all habeas corpus after flouting every rule in the book to raid the dude

but in a utilitarian sense the most just is not really the precedent i'd like to see the united states set. that's the justification every killer gives.

sure you don't want the trial to serve as a pulpit to preach from but, well, yes - he would "have his say" if given half a chance. but if we're afraid of that then jeez.

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 13:28 (fourteen years ago)

ha yeah, shudder to think a defendant could confront his accusers

estkella (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 13:31 (fourteen years ago)

surely the fear was more about increasing OBL's reach/exposure and burnishing his image as an unjustly put-upon martyr. the more of a pulpit he had, the more effective he'd be in stirring up antipathy for the US. I'm not a fan of what happened, but I'm pretty clear on the reasons it happened how it did.

ignore the man behind the parentheses (remy bean), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 13:31 (fourteen years ago)

right

estkella (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 13:32 (fourteen years ago)

I'm not a fan of what happened, but I'm pretty clear on the reasons it happened how it did.

this could be the subtitle of the last 30 years of politics at least

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 13:42 (fourteen years ago)

Basically neither the US or Pakistan has its hard-of-thinking fundies under control

this is probably the most equivalent thing ever

lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 13:46 (fourteen years ago)

Why did they have to to use the codename "Geronimo." Native Americans are not happy about this

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 13:51 (fourteen years ago)

let 'em jump off a cliff

ignore the man behind the parentheses (remy bean), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 13:52 (fourteen years ago)

imo bin laden was not an ordinary criminal, though note that that's a highly specific, very untranscendental concept, the same way that sovereign state is. are the likes of greenwald really saying that obama should have asked pakistan to extradite osama bin laden? that is a lot like saying he should get to live out his days without ever meeting justice. i don't think pakistan is a particularly sovereign state, nor afghanistan ten years ago, nor south yemen now (or for a long time really), and the two things come together because al-queda was acting with the approval of powerful elements within these not-quite-sovereign-states, and osama was recently under the protection of same. well, of course we don't know that and im sure a trial would have illuminated every fold and crease of the thing.

lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 13:54 (fourteen years ago)

The problem with trying defendants after the War on Terrah is over is that it will never be over.

"I think resistance does not require a firearm." Man, that Jay Carney dude is golden, Cousin Ari would be proud.

I was going to bring up the Eichmann trial -- of course that took place in pre-all-voracious-baboon-media times.

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 13:57 (fourteen years ago)

The problem with trying defendants after the War on Terrah is over is that it will never be over.

yes.

it's probable that there weren't a whole lot of options when the shit went down. and the offical explanaish that Team America would have liked to take him alive is better than nothing. it at least gestures towards some kind of enlightenment.

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 13:59 (fourteen years ago)

Why did they have to to use the codename "Geronimo." Native Americans are not happy about this

On Twitter:

tinyrevolution Jonathan Schwarz

Code name for bin Laden? "Geronimo." Oh American Indians, we've killed people all over world, but we will never forget you were our first.

Captain Hyrax (Phil D.), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 13:59 (fourteen years ago)

okay THAT is how you do bitter comedy

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:00 (fourteen years ago)

are there any experts on the icc or us law who could say whether either allow trials of defendants who have been kidnapped from other countries?

lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:01 (fourteen years ago)

I don't know this Schwarz guy, but he looks ace:

Lots of Americans were mad it took ten years for the government to kill bin Laden, but I think it was worth being extra careful to make sure no one else got hurt.

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:05 (fourteen years ago)

ha yeah, shudder to think a defendant could confront his accusers

Pretty sure Bin Laden had been confronting his accusers for years. Explicitly. On tape. Broadcast around the world. You think he had some fresh bromides in store for his show trial? I doubt OBL would have even defended his actions. But, oh, now we'll never know!

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:06 (fourteen years ago)

It is understandably of our most popular assassinations ever, I'm guessing it'll be #1 when VH1 does a countdown show.

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:08 (fourteen years ago)

only if you join Starship and sing "We Built This City."

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:09 (fourteen years ago)

But what Greenwald waves away with a few words ("It's true that those trials took place after the war was over...") completely invalidates his argument. Yes, that's the major difference between the examples.

― Mordy, Wednesday, May 4, 2011 12:51 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

it's this kind of thing that makes greenwald's high standing hysterical to me.

but you know, mussolini never had his day in court and the war kinda was over (in italy) at that point.

shame on you, italy. shame on you.

lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:10 (fourteen years ago)

nrq shd def move to the US and be a smug pundit

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:13 (fourteen years ago)

Yes, that's the major difference between the examples.

Terrorism is not warfare, because in warfare we wave away the butchery of civilians as fair game

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:16 (fourteen years ago)

Saw this in ... Poitico?

Rep. Ted Poe (R-Texas) has drafted legislation that would require Pakistan to prove it didn’t know bin Laden was hiding in Abbottabad to get U.S. funds.

Make a run for it, Pakistan! It's a trap!

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:16 (fourteen years ago)

how exactly is that one gonna work

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:18 (fourteen years ago)

like, if the country of Pakistan ever comes to the US, it will be required to divulge this info before it clears customs...?

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:18 (fourteen years ago)

lol maybe I should the entirety of things before I comment on them

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:21 (fourteen years ago)

Proving a negative, eh. Clever.

Not sure I would allow Mr Poe to drive a car or own a gun w/that level of intelligence.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:21 (fourteen years ago)

Is that like a MadLibs post, Dan? "Maybe I should ________ the entriety..."

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:22 (fourteen years ago)

haha what the hell

I can blame missing letters on my crappy keyboard but entire missing WORDS = me needing sleep

I should READ the entirety blah blah

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:24 (fourteen years ago)

xp If MadLibs still works the way it did when I was a kid, the answer is either "boogers" or "butt," neither of which makes any sense.

Captain Hyrax (Phil D.), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:25 (fourteen years ago)

Rep. Ted Poe (R-Texas) has drafted legislation that would require Pakistan to prove it didn’t know bin Laden was hiding in Abbottabad to get U.S. funds.

has the senate always been like this? it seems like there's so much of this dumbass, infeasible, hot-topic legislation proposed recently.

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:30 (fourteen years ago)

There have always been some idiots in the house, and a handful in the senate for good measure.

mh, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:31 (fourteen years ago)

Senate = platform for LCD posturing, legislation very infrequently

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:32 (fourteen years ago)

(that is, legislation that is the object of any thought)

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:33 (fourteen years ago)

ted poe is not in the senate

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:34 (fourteen years ago)

Mr. Poe would evidently prefer to (like many in his party) score cheap political points than to positively affect the extremely complicated and touchy foregin policy wrt Pakistan. He is thus a knave and a fool. Well done.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:38 (fourteen years ago)

are there any experts on the icc or us law who could say whether either allow trials of defendants who have been kidnapped from other countries?

― lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Wednesday, May 4, 2011 2:01 PM (41 minutes ago)

US does iirc - I'm not in aposition to research right now, but try googling 'Alvarez-Machain', this I think is the case that puts it beyond doubt.

ICC doesn't do anything as far as I can tell. Logically, though, the kidnapping thing makes less sense there as it's based essentially on universal jurisdiction.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:50 (fourteen years ago)

but he doesn't know that a ref has to be 100 percent certain to give a peno, ladies and gentlemen, this is yr supposed 'expert'

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:54 (fourteen years ago)

Pretty sure masterminding a plan to fly planes into skyscrapers is a straight red, darraghmac.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:57 (fourteen years ago)

ted poe is not in the senate

I am confident this will be corrected by the good people of Texas.
I entirely support saying get-fucked to Pakistan if it had the remotest possibility of happening.

Obama's "This proves we can do anything we set are minds to" is maybe his biggest rhetorical brainfart ever, unless Navy SEALs are his new economic team.

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:58 (fourteen years ago)

I entirely support saying get-fucked to Pakistan if it had the remotest possibility of happening.

For the most part, trying to micromanage foreign policy from the House is a mug's game.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:01 (fourteen years ago)

I assume he is just waiting for ppl to flood the White House w/ calls in support of his bold initiative

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:04 (fourteen years ago)

I entirely support saying get-fucked to Pakistan if it had the remotest possibility of happening.

I'm not sure what you mean exactly? The few Pakistanis I know are often in despair at their own country (and constantly worried about their relatives there) but hope for more engagement with the rest of the world not less.

these are my everyday balloons (Ned Trifle II), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:07 (fourteen years ago)

This is serious shit, though. Remember 'you're either with us or against us'? The left went nuts on W for that but I thought he was talking directly to Musharraf and the Pakistani military and with good reason; they've been treating Afghanistan as a kind of client state for years. 170,000 million ppl of wide variety of ethnic and liguistic backgrounds, a quarter of whom live in poverty. A 60 year old republic with a terrible legacy of democratic continuity. Paranoid and resentful of India. Oh, and has nuclear weapons and a boatload of fundamentalists.

Yeah, let's make snap judgments based on emotion. That should lead to the best outcome.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:11 (fourteen years ago)

so

​After more than two days of speculation and an ever-evolving account of what really happened, it is starting to become clear that Osama Bin Laden was never going to make it out of his Abbottabad, Pakistan compound alive, despite U.S. counterterrorism expert John Brennan's claim that, "If we had the opportunity to take him alive, we would have done that." Brennan is the same official whose initial reports of Bin Laden's wife being used as a human shield or that Bin Laden was firing a weapon when he was killed have since been explained as untrue. Using bits and pieces from various reports, and explanation from a wide range of experts and officials, it appears that Bin Laden was probably executed -- "After a firefight," as Politico points out were Obama's words in his initial speech, emphasis on "after" -- an idea corroborated by President Obama again in a speech Monday night in which he described "an operation that resulted in the capture and death of Osama Bin Laden." Bin Laden's 12-year-old daughter tells the story of an execution too.
"Senior Pakistani security officials said Osama bin Laden's daughter had confirmed her father was captured alive and shot dead by the US Special Forces during the first few minutes of the operation," Al Arabiya reports. And later in the same article: "The daughter has reportedly told her Pakistani investigators that the US forces captured her father alive but shot him dead in front of family members."

The Los Angeles Times adds that U.S. forces "were operating under rules of engagement that all but assured the Al Qaeda leader would be killed, officials have acknowledged, backing away from an initial account that Bin Laden was armed and used a woman as a shield."

Orders were to accept Bin Laden's surrender "if he did not pose any type of threat whatsoever," Brennan said on Fox News, and if troops "were confident of that in terms of his not having an IED [improvised explosives device] on his body, his not having some type of hidden weapon or whatever."

In other words: "He would have had to have been naked for them to allow him to surrender," according to one anonymous congressional aide.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:12 (fourteen years ago)

I don't know what I mean exactly either, what am I, Undersecretary of something? Perhaps some good ol' manipulation of regime change. xp

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:15 (fourteen years ago)

never really like that brennan guy

goole, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:15 (fourteen years ago)

ie, let's undermine authoritarians everywhere (change you can believe in TM) xp

I stumbled upon Brennan on C-SPAN on Monday and he reminded me of Bill Casey immediately.

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:16 (fourteen years ago)

Brennan and his warboner can do one, basically. NOT HELPING.

My best Pakistani (well uh Anglo-Pakistani) friend of yore is in Abbottabad with Al-J, waiting on his turn to enter the compound itself to do a report - when he files I will link it.

a modest broposal (suzy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:17 (fourteen years ago)

. . .

am0n, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:18 (fourteen years ago)

Perhaps some good ol' manipulation of regime change. xp

Careful, the place is unstable already and the only meaningful regime change that could happen would involve the highly implausible removal of the military as the lynchpin in politics and 'stability'. Musharraf's hero? Ataturk. Which considering the role of the military in maintaining secularism in Turkey is not so deplorable considering the alternatives are both regionaism and religious fanatacism.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:19 (fourteen years ago)

Anyone else slightly disturbed that the US once again murdered an unarmed man of color?

thirdalternative, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:20 (fourteen years ago)

you may wish to start at the top of the thread

ignore the man behind the parentheses (remy bean), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:20 (fourteen years ago)

this is like the only unarmed man of color that most ppl whose murder would not overly upset most of the people bothered by that tendency

maybe Mugabe too

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:24 (fourteen years ago)

jospeh kony

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:24 (fourteen years ago)

there might be a small difference between head of global terrorist organization responsible for worst attack on american soil and random dude on subway platform, yeah

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:27 (fourteen years ago)

i think thirdalternative is "taking the piss"

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:28 (fourteen years ago)

pretty sure he's "being himself" iirc

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:30 (fourteen years ago)

Anyone else slightly disturbed that the US once again murdered an unarmed man of color?

― thirdalternative, Wednesday, May 4, 2011 3:20 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

are you for real? xposts.

TheDunkster (absolutely clean glasses), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:30 (fourteen years ago)

Sorry, I was just trying to rouse Max, my bad, carry on.

thirdalternative, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:33 (fourteen years ago)

maybe Mugabe too

Am I a dick for thinking he really deserves it more than OBL?

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:33 (fourteen years ago)

cool pop culture reference, cutty. are you called cutty because you're so cutting edge?

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ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:33 (fourteen years ago)

Anyone else slightly disturbed that the US once again murdered an unarmed man of color?

― thirdalternative, Wednesday, May 4, 2011 11:20 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I'm assuming this is humor.

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:35 (fourteen years ago)

Hipster girls wish they were lesbians.

― thirdalternative, Wednesday, May 7, 2008 4:25 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:35 (fourteen years ago)

sorry, xxxxposts

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:35 (fourteen years ago)

I always forget Joseph Kony exists, which is probably good for my sanity but not much else

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:35 (fourteen years ago)

Am I a dick for thinking he really deserves it more than OBL?

― Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Wednesday, May 4, 2011 10:33 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

this is how i feel about kony. dude actually ~terrorizes~ way more people than OBL ever has

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:36 (fourteen years ago)

he is the worst person in the world

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:37 (fourteen years ago)

In May 2010, U.S. President Obama signed into law the Lord's Resistance Army Disarmament and Northern Uganda Recovery Act,[14] legislation aimed at stopping Joseph Kony and the LRA. The bill passed unanimously in the Senate on March 11, 2010 with 65 Senators as cosponsors, then passed unanimously in the House of Representatives on May 13, 2010 with 202 Representatives as cosponsors. On November 24, President Obama delivered the strategy to disarm Joseph Kony and the LRA.[15]

huh I did not know about this

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:38 (fourteen years ago)

whoa neither did i

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:39 (fourteen years ago)

"Am I a dick for thinking he really deserves it more than OBL?"

Hard to make a ranking here. Same goes for Kony.

Marco Damiani, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:39 (fourteen years ago)

I sometimes think the United Nations should have a military force at its disposal made up of soldiers from the member countries whose sole mission is to do things like go after OBL, Kony and Mugabe, but then I think about the dystopian nightmare that would follow after they assinated Kim Jong-Il and I realize why real life is real life and movies are movies.

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:42 (fourteen years ago)

65 cosponsors in the Sen!

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:44 (fourteen years ago)

who could the 35 have been...

goole, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:46 (fourteen years ago)

it's occurring to me you could probably mint up a bunch of LORD'S RESISTANCE ARMY bumper stickers and do brisk business at the next CPAC

goole, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:47 (fourteen years ago)

that would be some p lolzy trolling

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:48 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.theresolve.org/lra-disarmament-and-northern-uganda-recovery-act-of-2009

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:49 (fourteen years ago)

btw goole that is fucking brilliant

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:50 (fourteen years ago)

haha. LORD'S RESISTANCE ARMY - FOR OUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE, maybe.

joe, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:52 (fourteen years ago)

^^It would work, totally.

a modest broposal (suzy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:53 (fourteen years ago)

THINK OF THE CHILDREN would be more ambiguous IMO

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:55 (fourteen years ago)

So Dan, would your proposal ideally resemble UNIT, GI Joe, or the guys from "Predator"?

I'm think I'm down with this, only if Bill Duke gets to call the shots this time.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:55 (fourteen years ago)

(my rationale being that it is much easier to read "FOR OUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE" as something LRA is unambiguously in favor of, whereas you can more easily go either way with "THINK OF THE CHILDREN")

xp: not gonna lie, I was imagining GI Joe

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:57 (fourteen years ago)

i watched Salt last night and they should get her to take all these guys out. she can jump really far.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:57 (fourteen years ago)

hahaha OTM

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:57 (fourteen years ago)

GI Joe never killed anybody! Guys from Predator were a rescue team, not assassins!

Kerm, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:58 (fourteen years ago)

well, UNIT never killed anyone either, but that was because everything they tried to shoot was immune to bullets

except the Silurians; I guess they killed them

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:58 (fourteen years ago)

Bill Magill should be in on one of these teams, he wants to pull the trigger on somebody.

the wages of sin is about tree fiddy (WmC), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:59 (fourteen years ago)

...anyway

re: killing unarmed bin laden

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/04/world/asia/04raid.html

Several experts on the rules of engagement in combat said that in a raid on a target as dangerous as Bin Laden, the Navy Seals team would be justified to open fire at the slightest commotion when they burst into a room.

“If he were surrendering, or knocked out and unconscious on the ground, that would raise serious questions," said John B. Bellinger III, legal counsel at the National Security Council and State Department in the Bush administration.

“But this is a guy who’s extremely dangerous,” he said. “If he’s nodding at someone in the hall, or rushing to the bookcase or you think he’s wearing a suicide vest, you’re on solid ground to kill him.”

At the United Nations, questions arose about the killing. The organization’s senior human rights official, Navi Pillay, called for more details.

While noting that Bin Laden was a dangerous man, she said any operation against him should have been done legally.

estkella (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:02 (fourteen years ago)

I like you max, you make me feel young again, with your fervor the newly radicalized so fresh and intact.

And I'm dead on about hipster girls, you know it. They cop so much style from lesbians, kind of like Madonna and the gays.

thirdalternative, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:12 (fourteen years ago)

So much for the Bond villain ending. When finally faced with Cobra Commander, these guys went in itchy.

Not to necessarily make light of the situ, but pop cultural refs are the main way I process things. I'm not proud of one of my first thoughts upon hearing of the datagrab was that, "oh yeah, so these guys actually _DO_ go in looking for the briefcase aside from the bad guy. It's not just a video game thing."

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:13 (fourteen years ago)

Also, Bill Duke needs to be in more things.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:18 (fourteen years ago)

so, next controversy: release the photos, or not? leon panetta has said they will (i think)

goole, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:19 (fourteen years ago)

seems pretty grody to me, for no real benefit.

goole, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:19 (fourteen years ago)

"At the United Nations, questions arose about the killing. The organization’s senior human rights official, Navi Pillay, called for more details. While noting that Bin Laden was a dangerous man, she said any operation against him should have been done legally".

The unsolvable dilemma of laws of war and international justice, in a nutshell.

Marco Damiani, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:20 (fourteen years ago)

Westphalia, so much to answer for

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:23 (fourteen years ago)

I appreciate the cautious definition of Bin Laden as a "dangerous man".

Marco Damiani, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:24 (fourteen years ago)

i think panetta said the photos will come out eventually, which seems right, whether or not the white house officially releases them. this is one of those things i think--how can something that so many people know exists, and is wanted to be seen by so many people, stay hidden?

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:25 (fourteen years ago)

max there are a lot of famous vaginas out there too

goole, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:26 (fourteen years ago)

or you think he’s wearing a suicide vest

It just occurred to me that, were I bin Laden, I would have booby-trapped the house.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:27 (fourteen years ago)

The Day the Clown Cried

buzza, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:27 (fourteen years ago)

ha I was about to say "you make it sound like Kim Kardashian's sex tape"

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:27 (fourteen years ago)

ok lol

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:27 (fourteen years ago)

Yeah, we've had camera phones for the better part of a decade, something will leak.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:27 (fourteen years ago)

how can something that so many people know exists, and is wanted to be seen by so many people, stay hidden?

it has a mansion built with 7-foot privacy walls and burns all its trash

TheDunkster (absolutely clean glasses), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:27 (fourteen years ago)

vaginas want to be free

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:27 (fourteen years ago)

brb, registering vaginaleaks.com

oh wait, no

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:29 (fourteen years ago)

Wikiginas? CuntiLeaks? SnatchSnaps?

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:30 (fourteen years ago)

This thread is usddenly making me the mental equivalent of wall-eyed to vision.

"...Kim Kardashian's sex tape."

"...something will leak."

Wha?

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:31 (fourteen years ago)

"At the United Nations, questions arose about the killing. The organization’s senior human rights official, Navi Pillay, called for more details. While noting that Bin Laden was a dangerous man, she said any operation against him should have been done legally".

The unsolvable dilemma of laws of war and international justice, in a nutshell.

― Marco Damiani, Wednesday, May 4, 2011 12:20 PM (6 minutes ago)

well there's not really a 'dilemma' afaik wrt killing someone who's unarmed and surrendering, or someone who's been captured - it's illegal. the explanation most people are giving is that it was in the 'heat of the moment' or something, which to me seems plausible and since we're never going to actually know for sure what went down, i'm fine with that, whatever

estkella (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:31 (fourteen years ago)

i want to know more about this woman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audrey_Tomason

the "director for counterterrorism" eh? and she couldnt even get a seat at the table???

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:32 (fourteen years ago)

i had never heard of her before either.

not a real helpful wiki there

goole, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:34 (fourteen years ago)

lol @ photo

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:34 (fourteen years ago)

like not only is the wiki empty, the sole photo is one we have all already seen

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:35 (fourteen years ago)

im saying

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:35 (fourteen years ago)

where are the conspiracy heads now

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:35 (fourteen years ago)

WAS THIS THE WOMAN WHO MADE THE SECRET DEAL WITH PAKISTAN

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:35 (fourteen years ago)

the explanation most people are giving is that it was in the 'heat of the moment'

now i'm imagining bin laden singing "i never meant to be so bad to you"

buzza, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:35 (fourteen years ago)

white house should just be hardass. press conference should have been: "he's dead. we killed him. grab some donuts on the way out. later, dudes."

that's what john wayne would have done.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:36 (fourteen years ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/20110503/ts_dailybeast/13869_audreytomasonwhoisthemysterywomaninthesituationroomwithobama

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:36 (fourteen years ago)

now i'm imagining bin laden singing "i never meant to be so bad to you"

― buzza, Wednesday, May 4, 2011 12:35 PM (36 seconds ago)

i'd probably cap him in this case too tbh

estkella (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:37 (fourteen years ago)

i'm guessing osama's been removed from the "living person" wiki category...... or has he???

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:38 (fourteen years ago)

"yes, about osama being unarmed..."

"look, we killed him in cold blood and if there were any way to bring him back to life we would have done so and then killed him again and then brought him back to life again and then killed him again and we would have kept doing that for, like, a year. any more questions?"

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:39 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22audrey+tomason%22+site:whitehouse.gov&hl=en&prmd=ivnso&filter=0

haha, uh...

goole, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:39 (fourteen years ago)

i mean "legalities"? pish posh. bit late for legal behaviour over there.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:39 (fourteen years ago)

it's unethical to raise the dead solely for the purpose of ending their lives once again

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:40 (fourteen years ago)

"well there's not really a 'dilemma' afaik wrt killing someone who's unarmed and surrendering, or someone who's been captured - it's illegal".

The dilemma is between what is prescribed by the law and, for lack of a better expression, political and historical reality (or perceived necessities).
It is obvious that the American one was a de facto assassination squad, but at the same time it is difficult to imagine Obama's administration acting differently.

Marco Damiani, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:40 (fourteen years ago)

i don't actually spell behavior like that. don't know what i was thinking.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:40 (fourteen years ago)

truth outs, scott's a britisher

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:41 (fourteen years ago)

it has a mansion built with 7-foot privacy walls and burns all its trash

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_v63oTveUEGI/SQhVLu6HJAI/AAAAAAAAHGQ/uWaZs_jz2-0/s400/lotionfun.JPG

Captain Hyrax (Phil D.), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:42 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22audrey+tomason%22+site:whitehouse.gov&hl=en&prmd=ivnso&filter=0

haha, uh...

― goole, Wednesday, May 4, 2011 12:39 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

RIGHT!?

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:43 (fourteen years ago)

an official said she worked with the National Security Council, a White House agency closely involved with the intelligence that led to bin Laden. The official intimated that the White House generally doesn't discuss personnel at any of the government's covert or intelligence agencies. Tommy Vietor, a spokesman for the NSC, confirmed she worked with the agency. When asked why she had never been identified or mentioned before, Vietor responded "Well, we've never killed bin Laden before."

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:43 (fourteen years ago)

can't we all just get along and kill bin laden?

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:44 (fourteen years ago)

"Is that a story [the White House] wants to put out there in public? The fact that we can see her face could potentially jeopardize her career."

This strikes me as unlikely--they took the time to obscure a classified picture obliquely visible on the desk of the conference room, somebody wouldn't say "Oh, we should probably 'shop Audrey out of this"?

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:46 (fourteen years ago)

Audrey Tomason worked as Americorps*VISTA and Associate at ACCION International after Tufts. She is attending the Kennedy School's master's in public policy program and is scheduled to graduate in 2003.

buzza, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:47 (fourteen years ago)

SHE IS FROM THE FUTURE

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:47 (fourteen years ago)

skills: throwing knives, seduction, electronic entry, slavic languages

goole, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:48 (fourteen years ago)

audrey tuomason

buzza, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:49 (fourteen years ago)

"how do you get on google?"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:49 (fourteen years ago)

I knew there were Masons in Bam's WH.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:49 (fourteen years ago)

somebody wouldn't say "Oh, we should probably 'shop Audrey out of this"?

if her name is even audrey

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:49 (fourteen years ago)

oh shi

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:56 (fourteen years ago)

here is a clip of her introducing Noam Chomsky (!) as an undergrad at Tufts in 1997 (if its the same person), starts around 2:30 into it

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/ACrit&showFullAbstract=1

buzza, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:57 (fourteen years ago)

wowwwwww

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:57 (fourteen years ago)

good find

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:59 (fourteen years ago)

Sure looks like her

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:03 (fourteen years ago)

her home address is pretty readily available surprisingly!

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:03 (fourteen years ago)

All getting a lot like the Lost ARG, does this Audrey turn up in season seven?

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:05 (fourteen years ago)

Ha, was going to post the Vietor response.

Note: "The vietor response" sounds like something from Dune.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:06 (fourteen years ago)

0 users liked this comment Vote for this comment Vote for this comment 0 users disliked this commentAsil 53 minutes ago Report Abuse Obama's Director for Counter Terrorism - Audry Tomason definitely an evil entity

According to Ms Tomason’s “Apocalypse Equation” the “sustainable population” of our world can only be 1.5 billion human beings, as compared to the United Nations estimate of 7 billion we will reach on October 31st of this year, and the even worse figure of 10 billion estimated by 2100.

Ms Tomason argues in her thesis that our world’s population has been “artificially inflated” for the past nearly 100 years by a “non-sustainable” petrochemical and fossil fuel based global economy that if left “unchecked” could very well destroy all life on Earth, not just human beings.

Ms Tomason states in her thesis that any population suffering an economic collapse and reverting to “Basic Needs” will be “ungovernable” and pose “tremendous risks” to the state leading to “wholesale breakdown of law and order.”

Ms Tomason further argues in her “Apocalypse Equation” thesis that since the collapse of civilization as we know it is “inevitable,” world leaders should consider the possibility of “mass genocide” to reduce our world’s population to a more “sustainable level commensurate with our Earth’s resources.”

The chilling genocidal scenario envisioned by Ms Tomason begins with a “limited nuclear conflict” targeted at major population centers, but designed to limit the fallout of radiation. Next would be the release of toxic chemical and biological agents she suggests could be blamed on “terrorist entities” to be followed by forced mass migration of populations to more “sustainable living environments.”

Ms Tomason envisions these “sustainable living environments” as being large population centers with mass transit systems where no personal vehicles would be allowed and the rural areas would be completely depopulated except for government run agricultural “systems.”

Prior to the initiation of these apocalyptic events Ms Tomason argues for the establishment of government run and protected “concentration camps” where “persons of worth” can be protected while the masses of their fellow citizens die by the millions and billions. Those deemed “persons of worth” would include scientists, doctors, technical specialist, etc.
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Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:06 (fourteen years ago)

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:07 (fourteen years ago)

holy sheet she's with greenpeace

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:08 (fourteen years ago)

Oh man, her life is about to get a whole lot more annoying

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:13 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_200335216670960

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:14 (fourteen years ago)

i can never get cspan video to work! maybe it's a work thing

goole, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:15 (fourteen years ago)

lol @ the tags on that c-span video

History and Society
Executive Branch
Madison, James
History
Early American History (1600-1850)
Courts & Judicial Process
Constitution

buzza, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:15 (fourteen years ago)

Exactly

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:16 (fourteen years ago)

Sorcha Faal!

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:17 (fourteen years ago)

don't go chasin sorcha fall
cos navy seals with guns gonna ki-ill u

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:18 (fourteen years ago)

Audrey Tomason is an anagram of "You Osama Trend"

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:20 (fourteen years ago)

Sorcha Faal!

― Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Wednesday, May 4, 2011 12:17 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah man, what

goole, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:20 (fourteen years ago)

also "A Doomsayer Nut"

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:20 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index738.htm

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:24 (fourteen years ago)

Audrey Tomason is an anagram of "You Osama Trend"

― it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, May 4, 2011 5:20 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

<3 u steve shasta

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:25 (fourteen years ago)

this photo will be getting some traffic:

http://www.tufts.edu/alumni/magazine/spring2008/images/big-day/13-harris-wedding.jpg

(top left)

goole, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:25 (fourteen years ago)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4117PQG9CPL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU02_.jpg

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:27 (fourteen years ago)

A WORK OF FICTION THAT MY CONTAIN FACT

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:27 (fourteen years ago)

search Audrey Tomason on google books

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:28 (fourteen years ago)

look inside

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:28 (fourteen years ago)

Audrey Tomason

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:28 (fourteen years ago)

lol

buzza, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:29 (fourteen years ago)

... THOMAS: Tom's father, gentle man whose main concern is his bowels FRANK TOMASON: retired
new neighbour of Williams at the cottage, very friendly, has telephone and takes calls for other
cottagers at Cultus Lake AUDREY TOMASON: very happy, extroverted woman but ...

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:30 (fourteen years ago)

I would actually respect a "he's dead. we killed him" press conference, but damn stuff always has to fit neatly into American exceptionalism and "Let's put our minds to it" treacle, right? Hence, he was resisting by being clothed and standing.

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:33 (fourteen years ago)

Concentration Camp or Thunderdome

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:34 (fourteen years ago)

I described her earlier as "that woman in the back who looks like she's kind of into whatever is on screen, but I've read too much Ballard"

I think I have a crush on Audrey Tomason

mh, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:36 (fourteen years ago)

Maybe if you wrote her a song... We could all help out on the lyrics.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:37 (fourteen years ago)

Is that "apocalypse equation" thing for real? Holy fuck if so.

Letzte Tage - Letzte Pächmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:38 (fourteen years ago)

i really hope the republicans pick up the sorcha faal story and run with it.

omar little, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:39 (fourteen years ago)

Is that "apocalypse equation" thing for real? Holy fuck if so.

considering it's a cross between Mad Max, Atlas Shrugged and "A Modest Proposal"...

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:40 (fourteen years ago)

Obama will not release photos of Bin Laden sleeping with the fishes.

A tracking of writing interventions by advisor to student compared to writers without interventions and their percentage of turnover.
A tracking of interventions of radio personnel by advisor to student compared to students who are underadvised and unpromoted.

Criteria for Success: Students that obtain one-on-one writing coaching will progress to become staff writers at a rate of 40% higher than those that do not receive coaching.
Student that obtain advice and coaching will become promoted to full-time deejays and directors at a rate of 30% higher than those who do not get advised.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:42 (fourteen years ago)

LOL. Ignore the other cut and paste crap (work self-assessments).

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:42 (fourteen years ago)

academic intel leak

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:43 (fourteen years ago)

shades of field utility data

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:43 (fourteen years ago)

I smell utility data

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:44 (fourteen years ago)

AcademiLeak.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:46 (fourteen years ago)

i think i've seen a pic? it was gross and i could have done without it. nothing will appease the deathers, it'll only lead to demands for the helmet-cam footage to come out, and im not sure what there is to gain by officially releasing it.

kind of like Madonna and the gays (history mayne), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:49 (fourteen years ago)

Student that obtain advice and coaching will become promoted to full-time deejays and directors at a rate of 30% higher than those who do not get advised.

don't dj
don't be a dj
don't even post the word on the internet

matter fact, if ur a dj (don't answer this, btw; that's a no-no) just throw away yr decks right now.

omar little, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:49 (fourteen years ago)

The photos, or at least one, have been shown to at least one journalist now, no? He described it quite, uhm, vividly on the radio. Very nagl...

White House now seems to think: if they don't believe us now, they won't believe the photos are for reals either, so sod it iirc

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:51 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/05/the-shy-woman-whose-words-accidentally-became-martin-luther-kings/238309/

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:56 (fourteen years ago)

Can we call them "death-eaters?"

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:59 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jox5vMFASLA&feature=player_embedded

Hippocratic Oaf (DavidM), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:04 (fourteen years ago)

The local cable-news station did person-on-the-street interviews w/ "Do you feel safer now?" and the general response was "Ehhh, not really"

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:15 (fourteen years ago)

It's kind of a feeling you get when you have an ex-stalker who doesn't really stalk you anymore, but they move to another city so you feel a little relief anyway.

mh, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:20 (fourteen years ago)

I mean, or so the people I've stalked have told me.

mh, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:20 (fourteen years ago)

AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!!!

A Texas high school teacher has been placed on administrative leave following an incident where he allegedly told a 9th grade Muslim girl in his algebra class "I bet that you're grieving" on Monday following the death of Osama bin Laden.

According to one parent at Clear Brook High School in Houston who spoke about the incident to a local ABC affiliate, the teacher also said, "I heard about your uncle's death."

The parent said the student "understood that he was referring about Osama bin Laden being killed and was racially profiling her."

The name of the alleged victim of the comment has not been released. She is being described as an "American-born girl of Muslim faith."

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/05/tx-teacher-suspended-after-telling-muslim-student-i-bet-youre-grieving.php?ref=tn

Captain Hyrax (Phil D.), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:25 (fourteen years ago)

ffs

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:26 (fourteen years ago)

does anyone mind if we kill him?

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:26 (fourteen years ago)

That's a whole different sort of American exceptionalism. That teacher's an exceptional asshole.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:27 (fourteen years ago)

jesus christ

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:28 (fourteen years ago)

The parent said the student "understood that he was referring about Osama bin Laden being killed and was racially profiling her."

i am sorry, but, lol at this phrase sort of leaving its intended context.

goole, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:30 (fourteen years ago)

Yeah, its off-use is making me think of something Ronnie Dobbs or Kenny Powers would yell at the cameras as he was being led away in handcuffs

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:33 (fourteen years ago)

high school teachers are the lowest of the low. they're the ones we should be going after.

(of course i don't mean anyone here who is a high school teacher or anyone who knows a high school teacher that they like. just everyone else.)

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:36 (fourteen years ago)

I wouldn't even say that to a friend as a joke

well actually I might say that to jjj but he is almost 40 and could likely kick my ass

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:40 (fourteen years ago)

is that "thesis" thing real? obv the "sustained population center" part is a great idea but not sure if genocide would be the preferred way to get there

estkella (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:40 (fourteen years ago)

have we really gotten to the point where blatantly obvious satire that shamelessly rips off several sources needs to be interrogated for its veracity

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:41 (fourteen years ago)

haha obv it's not :(

estkella (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:41 (fourteen years ago)

A tracking of writing interventions by advisor to student compared to writers without interventions and their percentage of turnover.
A tracking of interventions of radio personnel by advisor to student compared to students who are underadvised and unpromoted.

Criteria for Success: Students that obtain one-on-one writing coaching will progress to become staff writers at a rate of 40% higher than those that do not receive coaching.
Student that obtain advice and coaching will become promoted to full-time deejays and directors at a rate of 30% higher than those who do not get advised.

― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, May 4, 2011 1:42 PM (59 minutes ago)

^^this, far and away

estkella (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:43 (fourteen years ago)

Ugh I have to keep translating these things into English. I had to explain to someone why "encourage" is a better word than "incentivize."

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:45 (fourteen years ago)

because you can't forget that 'z' isn't really a letter that should be used if you use 'encourage'

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:46 (fourteen years ago)

People really think that using buzzwords or more "complex" words excessively makes them sound professional, although I have no idea why.

If you're in the corporate world, everything becomes a verb, eventually!

mh, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:46 (fourteen years ago)

This is academia.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:47 (fourteen years ago)

u mean every word corporates, surely

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:47 (fourteen years ago)

this is for mh

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/tomason.jpg

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:50 (fourteen years ago)

i barely know 'er

Kerm, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:54 (fourteen years ago)

Given her subsequent career path, I guess she didn't stick around for his talk.

Guy? Guy? It's me, your cousin, Marvin Mann-Dude (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:56 (fourteen years ago)

I was reading the original 'utility data' post, and giggling like crazy when they were using to caption Star Wars stills...I'm at the library at my college, so I'm p sure I turned into 'that guy' for a few minutes...

schizophrenics think I'm hilarious (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:59 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/05/03/113643/bin-ladens-daughter-saw-us-troops.html

goole, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 19:14 (fourteen years ago)

that article is hilarious

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 19:18 (fourteen years ago)

"'goaty'-style"

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 19:21 (fourteen years ago)

"We have no independent confirmation of Osama bin Laden being there or dying there except what we got from the daughter," said the official, a member of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency.

The official said that based on interviews with the daughter and others in the house Pakistani authorities now believe that bin Laden had been living in the Abbottabad compound for "some months.

like, come on yall

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 19:21 (fourteen years ago)

airs next week:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/fighting-for-bin-laden/

goole, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 19:31 (fourteen years ago)

i must say i hadn't thought of this argument

http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/05/public-records-should-bepublic

goole, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 19:37 (fourteen years ago)

really? that was my first reaction tbh (my second was "no fucking way I want to see it tho)

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 19:38 (fourteen years ago)

folks

gr8080, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 19:58 (fourteen years ago)

"Given her subsequent career path, I guess she didn't stick around for his talk."

i think he kinda drives people to mercenary work.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:05 (fourteen years ago)

http://tucsoncitizen.com/three-sonorans/2011/05/02/story-of-the-mexican-anchor-baby-navy-seals-that-captured-osama-bin-laden/

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:10 (fourteen years ago)

dunno how verified that is

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:10 (fourteen years ago)

Chomsky? you mean, like Chumbawamba?

xxp

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:11 (fourteen years ago)

"captured"

buzza, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:12 (fourteen years ago)

in Arizona, "captured" and "shot" mean the same thing

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:13 (fourteen years ago)

i bet more american college kids know who chomsky is than chumbawamba at this point

goole, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:14 (fourteen years ago)

http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/42bcfc708318810978cd1779da917e68?s=60&d=wavatar&r=G
svivar9087
May 2nd, 2011 on 8:04 pm

As a Latina all I can say is….in your face player haters.

gr8080, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:16 (fourteen years ago)

Rubén Mejía

buzza, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:17 (fourteen years ago)

I'm hearing ppl say "captured" all the time this week; I always thought you had to have a heartbeat when they put their hands on you.

btw one of my MSNBC-loving F'book friends suggested that Obama "do the same" to Palin. I'd have told him to cool it but he's the one driving me to the Nixon Library in July.

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:17 (fourteen years ago)

Well if thats the same wide brush you use to paint all us "Bam lovers", then I think we have identified a large part of the problem here.

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:18 (fourteen years ago)

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-seals-mexican-immigrant/

Some have questioned the authenticity of El Universal's reporting. As of now, the outlet has not posted an update to its story. We have contacted Notimex/El Universal for comment.

When contacted by Think Progress, a representative from the radio station that Martín Mejía reportedly called into -- 97.9 La Raza -- confirmed that a person identifying himself as the father of a Navy SEAL who was involved in the attack against Osama Bin Laden appeared on the radio station. The representative stated that his radio station checked the veracity of Mr. Mejía's story and "everything was okay." They are no longer releasing a recording of the interview at this point.

gr8080, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:19 (fourteen years ago)

"Chomsky? you mean, like Chumbawamba?"

yeah, i think he depresses people so much when he talks about the futility of the world situation so people go fuggit i'm gonna go to africa and fuck shit up and make some money we're all doomed anyway.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:22 (fourteen years ago)

I GET KNOCKED DOWN

normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:28 (fourteen years ago)

As incredibly valuable and mind-bogglingly informative as his talks/interviews/books are, he usually ends with some defeatist line about how things are only gonna get worse. It's kind of infuriating, actually, and an insult to the activists who get inspiration from him.

Also I'll think, "What the hell? Then why waste all that time researching and lecturing? Just go to a strip club or something."

Guy? Guy? It's me, your cousin, Marvin Mann-Dude (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:31 (fourteen years ago)

Here is a VERY graphic shot of a dead body from the compound if you're into that sort of thing:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/photos/unidentified-body-man-seen-raid-u-navy-seal-photo-195008698.html

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:33 (fourteen years ago)

he usually ends with some defeatist line about how things are only gonna get worse.

But I've been aware of him for 25 years, and he's right so far.

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:39 (fourteen years ago)

ie defeatism vs realism

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:39 (fourteen years ago)

As incredibly valuable and mind-bogglingly informative as his talks/interviews/books are, he usually ends with some defeatist line about how things are only gonna get worse. It's kind of infuriating, actually, and an insult to the activists who get inspiration from him.

Also I'll think, "What the hell? Then why waste all that time researching and lecturing? Just go to a strip club or something."

I dunno, he seems kind of big on telling the truth to people, afaik? If he doesn't see anything getting better anytime soon maybe he has enough faith in the people listening to him to tell them so and let them deal with it as they wish- there's not much defeatist in that imo.

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:40 (fourteen years ago)

Maybe if he'd consistently ended on a note that, say, inspired collective action, things wouldn't have gotten (as) worse.

xxp to Morbs

Guy? Guy? It's me, your cousin, Marvin Mann-Dude (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:42 (fourteen years ago)

girl i recently friended just posted status update

"Now they won't even release photos of the AT SEA BURIAL?? If you still believe this shit, you are an IDIOT."

*unfriended*

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:43 (fourteen years ago)

I dunno, he seems kind of big on telling the truth to people, afaik? If he doesn't see anything getting better anytime soon maybe he has enough faith in the people listening to him to tell them so and let them deal with it as they wish- there's not much defeatist in that imo.

That's the funny thing; I believe he definitely has faith in people, or else he wouldn't do what he does. tbf, I might be blowing his "defeatism" out of proportion. But on the occasions I've seen it, it's depressing/annoying.

Guy? Guy? It's me, your cousin, Marvin Mann-Dude (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:44 (fourteen years ago)

What would photos of an at sea burial look like?

The sea?

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:45 (fourteen years ago)

if bin laden was really alive he would've been on al jazeera on monday waving around a copy of the ny times

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:45 (fourteen years ago)

girl i recently friended just posted status update

"Now they won't even release photos of the AT SEA BURIAL?? If you still believe this shit, you are an IDIOT."

*unfriended*

Wouldn't the easiest thing to do with these kinds of people is point out that if mind control was so simple and 'obvious' that they can't even be sure they could trust their own memories and that therefore they're likely government plants? Then they can go away worrying about themselves and cry their life away in a corner.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:47 (fourteen years ago)

maybe he's like keyser soze, he wants you to believe he's dead (xpost)

some dude, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:48 (fourteen years ago)

if bin laden was really alive he would've been on al jazeera on monday waving around a copy of the ny times

OBAMA DEFEATS BIN LADEN

Guy? Guy? It's me, your cousin, Marvin Mann-Dude (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:48 (fourteen years ago)

rumors of my human shield greatly exaggerated etc

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:49 (fourteen years ago)

lolll

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:49 (fourteen years ago)

This is disturbing: http://jezebel.com/#!5798655/elisabeth-hasselbecks-osama-bin-laden-childrens-poem

a modest broposal (suzy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:50 (fourteen years ago)

is that any more disturbing than "ring around the rosey" or "London Bridge is falling down"

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:51 (fourteen years ago)

I stopped reading at "elisabeth hasselbeck" and you are still otm

xp

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:52 (fourteen years ago)

Osama Bin Laden was a very bad guy
He hurt many people, don't ask me why
We shot him in the head and now he is dead
Now close your eyes and go to bed
Or Navy Seals will storm your bedroom too

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:53 (fourteen years ago)

There once was a man called Osama...

Eh, I give up.

a modest broposal (suzy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:54 (fourteen years ago)

there once was a man called bin laden
who thought that he'd hidden but haddn'
a team picked for the purpose
breached his habeus corpus
now we're all either gladden' or madden'

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:01 (fourteen years ago)

somehow it feels
like writing poems about death
is too macabre

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:02 (fourteen years ago)

a+

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:03 (fourteen years ago)

and yeath
here we abre

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:03 (fourteen years ago)

to both o ye

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:03 (fourteen years ago)

Yeah but Darragh's is imagined in the dulcet tones of the Craggy Islanders, and that works - more so if yr man is saying bin Laden in a big bad CAAAAAAAAARK accent.

a modest broposal (suzy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:08 (fourteen years ago)

o how dare you i sound like a smooth patrick stewart

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:14 (fourteen years ago)

things I learned from the Bin Laden Dead? thread that I never wanted to know:

- Patrick Stewart is shaved

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:15 (fourteen years ago)

there once was a man called osama
who wanted to stay out of harm; a
compound erected
can't go undetected -
no matter, he wasn’t a charmer.

joe, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:16 (fourteen years ago)

- people are afraid to write dirty limericks about bin Laden

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:16 (fourteen years ago)

challenge

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:17 (fourteen years ago)

New thread.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:18 (fourteen years ago)

bin laden? for how long?

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)

i ain't bin laden six months!

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:22 (fourteen years ago)

incomprehensible bin laden punch lines

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:22 (fourteen years ago)

osama? i hardly know you!

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:23 (fourteen years ago)

obama, sin laden

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:23 (fourteen years ago)

the world's unfriendliest bank
of seventy-two virgin rank
a supposed subterranean
saudi arabian
got fucked, in the end, by a yank

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:24 (fourteen years ago)

wau

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:26 (fourteen years ago)

Osama Bin Laden walks into a bar, orders a gin and tonic. The bartender decides to pull a fast one on the foreign Bin Laden, and tells him the drink is $300, which he begrudgingly pays.

Bartender says "you know, we don't get many fundamentalist terrorists in this bar". Osama replies "At these prices , no wonder!"...

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:27 (fourteen years ago)

....so then the bartender shot him, and the gov't invented a story about Navy SEALS

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:27 (fourteen years ago)

you don't understand, controversially shot in the face and chest then surreptitiously buried at sea is the name of my dog

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:28 (fourteen years ago)

HAHA

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:28 (fourteen years ago)

btw HOOS you should ask your ex-FB friend if she's seen pics of everybody who's died, ever

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:29 (fourteen years ago)

how do we even know ppl die? EH?

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:30 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le3oATdkJtM

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:31 (fourteen years ago)

this thread; I knew last night that nursery rhymes were just around the corner...

schizophrenics think I'm hilarious (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:34 (fourteen years ago)

There was an Osama who lived in a shoe....

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:35 (fourteen years ago)

Navy Seals came, saw his head
and put a bullet through

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:37 (fourteen years ago)

knock knock
who's there
the navy, the us navy, with guns
...oh shi...

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:37 (fourteen years ago)

ahahahahaha

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:38 (fourteen years ago)

for some reason that reminded me of the dude on the Turkish talk show who thought he could fly

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:39 (fourteen years ago)

Jim from The Corrs weighs in: http://www.nme.com/news/the-corrs/56463

Jim Corr has told the world about his own theory about the death of Osama Bin Laden, suggesting that the founder of al-Qaeda actually died ten years ago. The hitmaker, who has been an active member of a conspiracy theory group 911 Truth Movement in the past few years, has published his own beliefs on his Twitter page Twitter.com/jimcorrsays and on his official website, Jimcorr.com.

Corr has posted a spoof poster on his site which has the slogan "They dug him up and killed him again.

piscesx, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:40 (fourteen years ago)

guys leave jim alone he's good ppl

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:41 (fourteen years ago)

Osama Bin Laden was a merry old soul
And a merry old soul was he
He called for his wife
He called for his ho
Then the SEALs shot him up like swiss cheese

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:44 (fourteen years ago)

had no idea CaptainLorax was in The Corrs

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:45 (fourteen years ago)

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh37/shiosaki_69/weed.gifReporters at Bin Laden's million-dollar hideout discovered small plots of marijuana growing in the deserted lots on the compound's perimeter.http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh37/shiosaki_69/weed.gif

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/05/03/2011-05-03_marijuana_crops_planted_at_osama_bin_ladens_compound_farmers_growing_ganja_near_.html

gr8080, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:47 (fourteen years ago)

the real motivation for the mission

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:47 (fourteen years ago)

CaptainLorax you have hot sisters

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:47 (fourteen years ago)

NO BLOOD FOR POT

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:48 (fourteen years ago)

My mother made several 'illuminating' comments on Momphone today (explaining 'institutionalized racism' was always gonna be an uphill struggle) but I couldn't help guiltylol.jpg at 'Pakistan says they helped? Yeah, that was Zardari bringing OBL his fuckin' groceries.'

Clearly with this Pinwheels of Pot angle, OBL had munchies.

a modest broposal (suzy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:56 (fourteen years ago)

Can't decide whether OBL "won" because his 3-story "$1M mansion" was a dilapidated, moldy, sheetrock fort in rural Pakistan.

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 22:02 (fourteen years ago)

CaptainCorrax

my cock could have convicted Manson (brownie), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 23:02 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/social.media/05/04/fake.bin.laden.scam/index.html?hpt=T1

lol

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 23:07 (fourteen years ago)

^local radionsports talker today was bitching that his facebook account was hijacked after clicking on a pic of dead Bin Laden

my cock could have convicted Manson (brownie), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 23:11 (fourteen years ago)

*radio sports talker

my cock could have convicted Manson (brownie), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 23:11 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMP7Ys57ha4&feature=player_embedded

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 23:43 (fourteen years ago)

http://chzdailywhat.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/c7b8c94c-7522-4ecf-94ef-21ce8af00bfd.jpg

Hippocratic Oaf (DavidM), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 23:59 (fourteen years ago)

Audrey Tomason is an anagram of "You Osama Trend"
― it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, May 4, 2011

Everybody slept on this, it's the lost season finale all over again

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 May 2011 00:00 (fourteen years ago)

Steve Shasta -> Shaves Teats

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Thursday, 5 May 2011 00:05 (fourteen years ago)

rofl

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 5 May 2011 00:06 (fourteen years ago)

truth is in here imo

And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 May 2011 00:08 (fourteen years ago)

this week has been bad enough, let's bury Lost at sea

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 May 2011 00:09 (fourteen years ago)

an islam bad one

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 May 2011 00:14 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42906279/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/

Four of the five people shot to death in the operation that killed Osama bin Laden, including the al-Qaida leader himself, were unarmed and never fired a shot, U.S. officials told NBC News on Wednesday — an account that differs markedly from the Obama administration's original claims that the Navy SEALs came under heavy small-arms fire in a prolonged firefight.

gr8080, Thursday, 5 May 2011 01:10 (fourteen years ago)

Perhaps everyone else in the world is dead and they're the only five actually alive.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 May 2011 01:12 (fourteen years ago)

frankly I'm surprised anyone in that bldg came out alive

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Thursday, 5 May 2011 01:22 (fourteen years ago)

!

well not really

goole, Thursday, 5 May 2011 01:23 (fourteen years ago)

I know we went through this yesterday, but how did Brennan have it so fucking wrong on Monday?

gr8080, Thursday, 5 May 2011 01:25 (fourteen years ago)

Clearly an elaborate scheme to get him to quit.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 May 2011 01:27 (fourteen years ago)

he probably wanted to believe the Die Hard 2 version the same way we all did

Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 May 2011 01:29 (fourteen years ago)

I'd imagine that the rules of engagement prob included "assume everyone is armed/wearing a bomb" and "kill everyone anyway"

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 5 May 2011 01:38 (fourteen years ago)

yeah and they were greeted by small arms fire and that they found weapons all around the house

gr8080, Thursday, 5 May 2011 01:39 (fourteen years ago)

maybe someone has said this already, i kinda lost this thread but how the hell did someone being hunted by the hundreds of thousands of american soldiers smoke so much weed? is he just immune to paranoia?

J0rdan S., Thursday, 5 May 2011 01:40 (fourteen years ago)

the super cynical answer would be that the obama administration knows that whatever info you release in the first 6-12 hours of the news breaking is what most ppl are going to remember/what is going to 'shape the narrative' so they lied basically and let this morality debate play out long after most ppl stopped paying attention

J0rdan S., Thursday, 5 May 2011 01:41 (fourteen years ago)

yeah that got covered itt yesterday but still, it bums me out

gr8080, Thursday, 5 May 2011 01:43 (fourteen years ago)

really, you guys will probably believe this is Just Another Fucking Administration by 2015

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 May 2011 01:47 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKGGsefhvSw

~6:00-7:00

estkella (k3vin k.), Thursday, 5 May 2011 01:47 (fourteen years ago)

maybe someone has said this already, i kinda lost this thread but how the hell did someone being hunted by the hundreds of thousands of american soldiers smoke so much weed? is he just immune to paranoia?

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, May 4, 2011 9:40 PM (7 minutes ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKvzWH9O4as

estkella (k3vin k.), Thursday, 5 May 2011 01:48 (fourteen years ago)

^first thing i thought off when i heard about that detail

Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 May 2011 01:48 (fourteen years ago)

why is The Way to Bet always "super cynical"? you have read the news all along and none of you are 16.

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 May 2011 01:49 (fourteen years ago)

i dont think bin laden was smoking weed

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Thursday, 5 May 2011 01:51 (fourteen years ago)

he bought ian's father's bong

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 May 2011 01:53 (fourteen years ago)

hey, don't drag me into this

one dis leads to another (ian), Thursday, 5 May 2011 01:57 (fourteen years ago)

really, you guys will probably believe this is Just Another Fucking Administration by 2015

― resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, May 4, 2011 8:47 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is prob otm tbh

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 5 May 2011 01:58 (fourteen years ago)

ok technically he was vaporizing weed max but honestly that's splitting hairs

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 5 May 2011 01:58 (fourteen years ago)

"bin laden reportedly burned his trash"

J0rdan S., Thursday, 5 May 2011 02:02 (fourteen years ago)

kush smell like garbage

last night a bj saved my life (absolutely clean glasses), Thursday, 5 May 2011 02:03 (fourteen years ago)

heh

J0rdan S., Thursday, 5 May 2011 02:04 (fourteen years ago)

Bin Laden, Head?

buzza, Thursday, 5 May 2011 02:05 (fourteen years ago)

really, you guys will probably believe this is Just Another Fucking Administration by 2015

― resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, May 4, 2011 8:47 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is prob otm tbh

― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, May 4, 2011

FOUR YEARS TOO LATE EH

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 May 2011 02:15 (fourteen years ago)

too late for what?

goole, Thursday, 5 May 2011 02:21 (fourteen years ago)

we could have a green party president!

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Thursday, 5 May 2011 02:26 (fourteen years ago)

the super cynical answer would be that

a less cynical answer would be that the initial information available as ANY news story develops is always sketchy and incomplete, often ultimately inaccurate, and we don't (and more importantly can't) know anything yet about what actually went down and/or why the initial story was told as it was ... and that what we imagine we might believe about such things is simply the way we amplify our own prejudices in the absence of real understanding.

normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 May 2011 02:37 (fourteen years ago)

guys now is the time to get involved in the Cynthia McKinny 2012 campaign.

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 5 May 2011 02:44 (fourteen years ago)

if there was anything to be learned from jessica lynch, pat tillman, saddam's capture etc, it's that the first couple days worth of info are usu. bullshit

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 5 May 2011 02:44 (fourteen years ago)

now is the time to get Matt Armstrong a hobby

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 May 2011 03:02 (fourteen years ago)

no plans to vote for prez next time btw

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 May 2011 03:03 (fourteen years ago)

http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/6408/lukecriesuh7.jpg

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 5 May 2011 03:04 (fourteen years ago)

Ok at karaoke tonite three people have worked awkward Osama shit into their songs, including a dude singing the smug "God Bless the USA" and goin "yeehaw Osama's dead" between verses, while this other.

I'm happy Bin Laden's dead, but somehow being on the same side as these dudes makes me feel uncomfortable.

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Thursday, 5 May 2011 03:11 (fourteen years ago)

I did that too - I was singing "The Greatest Sex" off TP-2.com but I changed "sex" to "Osama"

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 5 May 2011 03:15 (fourteen years ago)

I'm happy Bin Laden's dead, but

all my disappointment will be framed this way from now on

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Thursday, 5 May 2011 03:15 (fourteen years ago)

I trust you responded by performing an adaptation of "Lee Harvey was a Friend of Mine"

xxp

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 May 2011 03:20 (fourteen years ago)

all my disappointment will be framed this way from now on

workin it the other way myself - "I'm happy bin Laden's dead, but these waffles are delicious"

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 5 May 2011 03:23 (fourteen years ago)

worst part about that palin tweet today=she used a semi-colon incorrectly

Mr. Que, Thursday, 5 May 2011 03:48 (fourteen years ago)

I'm happy Bin Laden's dead, but somehow being on the same side as these dudes makes me feel uncomfortable.

tbf, the other side isn't any more pleasant. lesson: humanity is lame

no slouch of a snipster (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 May 2011 03:52 (fourteen years ago)

Vewwy twue

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Thursday, 5 May 2011 03:56 (fourteen years ago)

Pretty sure if there was a Dr. Morbs political party, Morbs would be the last person to vote for it and he'd be highly critical of the whole endeavor

mh, Thursday, 5 May 2011 04:06 (fourteen years ago)

Dr. Morbs political party, with a platform of:

You Suck
Everything You Believe in Sucks
I Know More Than You

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Thursday, 5 May 2011 04:43 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/05/04/135987717/a-symbol-of-compassion-dalai-lama-hints-bin-ladens-killing-was-justified?sc=fb&cc=fp

Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 May 2011 04:47 (fourteen years ago)

^some URL HoF stuff 4 yo ass

Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 May 2011 04:48 (fourteen years ago)

Yeah, before they updated, Pareene was already on the case

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/05/04/dalai_lama_bin_laden/index.html

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Thursday, 5 May 2011 04:55 (fourteen years ago)

wd vote for Morbs party = no bullshit, we're all doomed, now here's some excellent b/w movies

VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 5 May 2011 05:33 (fourteen years ago)

Sorry if posted already... this thread's a little to strenuous to read entirely. But check this out:
http://www.calgarysun.com/2011/05/04/photos-show-three-dead-men-at-bin-laden-raid-house

*NSFW*

kelpolaris, Thursday, 5 May 2011 05:59 (fourteen years ago)

worth noting that in the 3rd pic there is clearly a water gun beneath one of the corpses

kelpolaris, Thursday, 5 May 2011 06:00 (fourteen years ago)

The skill of DEVGRU/Delta (and similar units that presumably exist that we know nothing about) is absurd and terrifying.

boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Thursday, 5 May 2011 06:04 (fourteen years ago)

the way the media ran w/the HHDL thing pissed me off

like, guys

did any of you actually read the quote as you wrote it down and subsequently reported it

cause like

that thing your headline says is not what he said

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 May 2011 06:18 (fourteen years ago)

Fake MLK quote Part the Second (but, like, the other way around).

these are my everyday balloons (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 5 May 2011 06:25 (fourteen years ago)

UCLA Researchers Predicted Bin Laden's City Hideout Down to Within 130 Miles

By Garrett Tenney

Published May 04, 2011

| FoxNews.com

eid orb (nakhchivan), Thursday, 5 May 2011 07:48 (fourteen years ago)

comments on that 3 calgary sub article are horrifying, why do I even slum down to read them anymore.

Clay, Thursday, 5 May 2011 07:49 (fourteen years ago)

Abdal Hakim Murad, Muslim Chaplain at Cambridge University, claimed that the move could backfire on the Americans.

The Daily Mail quoted Murad as saying that it was ‘disappointing’ that bin Laden wasn’t taken into custody.

He said: “By tipping him into the sea, the Americans may have created a kind of shrine. Some radicals are already calling the Arabian Sea the Martyr’s Sea.”

A leading Islamic scholar has warned that his burial could lead to his supporters gathering on beaches contemplating the virtues of their dead hero.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 5 May 2011 08:04 (fourteen years ago)

so That's where the Glenn Miller Appreciation society have gone!

Mark G, Thursday, 5 May 2011 08:22 (fourteen years ago)

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/May/Week1/15985580.jpg

James Mitchell, Thursday, 5 May 2011 08:22 (fourteen years ago)

SMH at concept of Islamic scholars agreeing about anything, ever...

a modest broposal (suzy), Thursday, 5 May 2011 08:24 (fourteen years ago)

DStar = Never having to apologise for inaccurate stories the next day (or whenever)

Mark G, Thursday, 5 May 2011 08:27 (fourteen years ago)

I would never vote for a political party that would have someone like me for a member

(or that would have a shithead like Neanderthal)

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 May 2011 11:37 (fourteen years ago)

ILX translation of Obama Sucks: Everything Sucks

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 May 2011 11:42 (fourteen years ago)

Oh well, we'll always have Paris...

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Thursday, 5 May 2011 12:15 (fourteen years ago)

obama's next invasion imo

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 May 2011 12:19 (fourteen years ago)

Whereabouts in Pakistan is Paris Hilton holed up exactly?

Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Thursday, 5 May 2011 12:20 (fourteen years ago)

Just follow the coke trail to her hotel room

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Thursday, 5 May 2011 12:23 (fourteen years ago)

You just can't get the couriers these days

Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Thursday, 5 May 2011 12:24 (fourteen years ago)

A leading Islamic scholar has warned that his burial could lead to his supporters gathering on beaches contemplating the virtues of their dead hero.

what kind of a 'warning' is this? what alternatives are proposed? the only one where you don't have nutters 'contemplating the virtues of their dead hero' is the one where he's still in hiding. otherwise you have a prison or a grave or a whatever. it was the ocean or outer space.

kind of like Madonna and the gays (history mayne), Thursday, 5 May 2011 12:29 (fourteen years ago)

Good time to be an ice-cream vendor on the coast of Arabian sea I suppose.

Matt DC, Thursday, 5 May 2011 12:31 (fourteen years ago)

I got bim bam banana pops, dixie cups

All flavors and bits of Bin Laden too...

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Thursday, 5 May 2011 12:35 (fourteen years ago)

Tarnslation to Arabic pending I imagine

Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Thursday, 5 May 2011 12:36 (fourteen years ago)

Translation even

Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Thursday, 5 May 2011 12:37 (fourteen years ago)

feel so cheated that he wasn't shot into space in a stasis crystal only to become some other galaxy's zod

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 May 2011 12:45 (fourteen years ago)

A leading Islamic scholar has warned that his burial could lead to his supporters gathering on beaches contemplating the virtues of their dead hero.

Lonely Muslims just thinking bauot things.

Captain Hyrax (Phil D.), Thursday, 5 May 2011 12:47 (fourteen years ago)

'what you doin'
'contemplating ur virtues'
'...' *moves away*

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 May 2011 12:50 (fourteen years ago)

lol

schizophrenics think I'm hilarious (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 5 May 2011 13:23 (fourteen years ago)

My buddy Imran, bloggin': http://blogs.aljazeera.net/asia/2011/05/04/osamaland

a modest broposal (suzy), Thursday, 5 May 2011 13:29 (fourteen years ago)

Fun to google these days:

obama michael corleone

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 May 2011 13:56 (fourteen years ago)

what kind of a 'warning' is this?

hahaha

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 5 May 2011 14:01 (fourteen years ago)

The pro-assassination mediacorp is just helpfully pointing out that the DL and MLK are/were very pro-hit-squad, or should be/have been

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 May 2011 14:10 (fourteen years ago)

Fun to google these days:

obama michael corleone

― resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Thursday, May 5, 2011 8:56 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark

the first hit is from 2008, the second is from... modelmayem.com

goole, Thursday, 5 May 2011 14:14 (fourteen years ago)

try hitting the "News" link

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 May 2011 14:15 (fourteen years ago)

oh god maureen dowd

goole, Thursday, 5 May 2011 14:16 (fourteen years ago)

A leading Islamic scholar has warned that his burial could lead to his supporters gathering on beaches contemplating the virtues of their dead hero and listening to the Dead's legendary Denver '73 shows.

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 5 May 2011 14:16 (fourteen years ago)

it is an entirely apt analogy of course, but the X-ray factor is in how gushingly it's employed

xp

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 May 2011 14:18 (fourteen years ago)

boy i'm getting the feeling you really don't like this president!

goole, Thursday, 5 May 2011 14:19 (fourteen years ago)

(xxp) LOL. "The Grateful Dead", sure Jihadists can happily get behind that concept.

Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Thursday, 5 May 2011 14:20 (fourteen years ago)

Blues for Allah didn't come out until '75 though.

joygoat, Thursday, 5 May 2011 14:30 (fourteen years ago)

A leading Islamic scholar has warned that his burial could lead to his supporters gathering on beaches contemplating the virtues of their dead hero and listening to the Dead's legendary Denver '73 shows.

― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, May 5, 2011 10:16 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

^oh yes

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Thursday, 5 May 2011 14:38 (fourteen years ago)

Cosmic Balearic Beardo.

Matt DC, Thursday, 5 May 2011 14:54 (fourteen years ago)

goole, as a redblooded American male I thoroughly admire Michael Corleone's unstinting protection of his family. But if I were Biden I wouldn't get in that rowboat.

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 May 2011 14:58 (fourteen years ago)

i haven't read dowd on bin laden yet, but let me guess that it is a confused and retrograde brew of projected sexual politics

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 5 May 2011 15:11 (fourteen years ago)

The skill of DEVGRU/Delta (and similar units that presumably exist that we know nothing about) is absurd and terrifying.

― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Wednesday, May 4, 2011 11:04 PM (Yesterday)

Killing 4 unarmed men and crashing a helicopter in a night raid? Sounds like an average night for the LAPD tbqh.

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 5 May 2011 16:09 (fourteen years ago)

lol

goole, Thursday, 5 May 2011 16:10 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.eatliver.com/img/2011/7208.jpg

Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 May 2011 16:21 (fourteen years ago)

Killin' it:

http://www.salon.com/news/osama_bin_laden/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/05/05/osama_in_hell

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Thursday, 5 May 2011 16:27 (fourteen years ago)

frogbs put his argument in typically irritating fashion but i pretty much agree with the thrust of it, actually. are there critics of obama who are in some part motivated by racist thoughts? a smoking gun for this kind of thing is impossible, of course, but we have to assume that yes - there are all sorts of slobbering morons out there with all kinds of crazy thoughts. but is the general otherizing of him - from the campaign on up to right now - qualitatively different from the way previous democrats have been treated? not so sure. the howler has been treating this issue over the last couple of days in typically rigorous fashion and he makes a pretty convinving case. kerry was otherized ("very french"). dukakis was heavily otherized.

Let’s be clear: No one has ever been slimed in the exact same way Obama has been slimed. Reason? No other Democrat’s life story ever presented the same opportunities. Before Obama, no president or presidential candidate ever had a father from an exotic foreign country; no such candidate had ever been born in our most distant and exotic state. But please! If you think the modern GOP wouldn’t have played those same cards against a white candidate or president, you must be smoking some very potent Pineapple Express! We’re sorry, but let’s speak frankly here: At this late date, it takes a very unintelligent pundit to fail to see the patterns here—patterns in which other Democrats have been accused of everything up to and including serial murder.

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 5 May 2011 16:55 (fourteen years ago)

that ghost rider article is a++

kind of like Madonna and the gays (history mayne), Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:09 (fourteen years ago)

how many "let's be clears" can one man squeeze into a paragraph?

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:11 (fourteen years ago)

Is it just me or does pointing out the white candidates have successfully been painted as "other/not American" due to "scary furriner" tactics reinforce the ugly racial aspect of Obama's treatment rather than disprove it?

I mean, they are pointing out that the main tactic of the Republican smear strategy is to make the Democrat seem as unlike a stereotypical white American as possible; how does this NOT play into the "race if a factor" narrative?

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:15 (fourteen years ago)

Good point, actually. Kerry is French!

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:16 (fourteen years ago)

like for example, I fully expect that any Jewish presidential candidate is going to find him/herself painted as viewing the minutiae of American domestic policy through the lens of "what would Israel do?"

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:17 (fourteen years ago)

well, remember when Droopy Dawg was asked in 2000 whether he'd participate in a national security meeting on the Sabbath?

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:23 (fourteen years ago)

wait do critics of obama think he asks himself 'what would hawaii do?'

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:25 (fourteen years ago)

I'm sure a Jewish candidate will have the words "big city" thrown at him a lot.

President Keyes, Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:25 (fourteen years ago)

Really? It's not as if the Israeli cabinet hasn't had emergency mtgs on the Sabbath.

xxpost

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:25 (fourteen years ago)

wait do critics of obama think he asks himself 'what would hawaii do?'

I was going to amend that to "how can this benefit Israel?"; half the crazies think he is a Muslim socialist who plans to impose sharia law

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:27 (fourteen years ago)

x-post Lieberman works on the Sabbasth but he has a guy with him to push elevator buttons and put in tokens on the subway.

President Keyes, Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:28 (fourteen years ago)

You know who else had emergency meetings on the Sabbath? Jesus. (lol u thought I was gonna say Hitler)

Captain Hyrax (Phil D.), Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:28 (fourteen years ago)

obama proves the worst of his critics correct by introducing mandatory surfing to the curriculum

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:30 (fourteen years ago)

but to go back to my original point, anyone using the argument "but they did it to white people too, ergo it's not racist/prejudicial" is not really thinking things through

btw I had to edit that like 3 times to not be unnecessarily inflammatory because that line of argument REALLY angers me, just the blithe inability to see what's happening and the unspoken corollary that it's okay because it happened to white people, too; the actual response should be that it's not okay when it happens to ANYONE

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:30 (fourteen years ago)

think the argument is that it's not because he's black, dan, i think the argument is that the fact that he's black is just a new stick to beat him with compared to the previous enemy.

I'm not saying that's a fuckin improvement one over the other tho

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:33 (fourteen years ago)

Those are the exact same argument; the second one is rephrased to make white people feel better about themselves for having conquered racism.

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:34 (fourteen years ago)

a lot of the stuff that happened to kerry and dukasis felt like just general "needling" in a way. the obama stuff often feels like "know your place" or some al campanis as concern troll type shit.

omar little, Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:35 (fourteen years ago)

that's abt two layers deeper than i normally go into stuff tbh, so i'm out.

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:35 (fourteen years ago)

why do black people always make our most distant and exotic state (what they call "Africa") about race?

You Get Hoynes (bnw), Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:36 (fourteen years ago)

lol

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:37 (fourteen years ago)

i read a "hilarious" facebook comment from a "friend" of a friend on a post she made about repub tactics which was "oh please none of this has to do with racism and besides he was only elected because he was black so who are the real racists here."

omar little, Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:37 (fourteen years ago)

the fact that people can say that shit completely seriously will never cease to amaze me

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:38 (fourteen years ago)

http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/05/sex-in-the-age-of-bin-laden/

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:39 (fourteen years ago)

x-post OJ Simpson still searching for the "real racists"

President Keyes, Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:40 (fourteen years ago)

You wanna know how Obama got elected, I got two words: Affirmative Action!

Polls counted each Obama vote twice!

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:05 (fourteen years ago)

documenting the weird demonization of democrats is the howler's entire project so I think he feels pretty strongly that it shouldn't happen. i think you're right djp that race is one of the tools - well, a whole set of tools - that are currently in use against obama. but I also think it's important to see that as a continuation of a long project of dem otherizing, with the blithe compliance or active connivance of the press

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:11 (fourteen years ago)

Why? How, aside from feeding into a persecution complex and diminish/belittling the scope of the tactics being deployed against the current President despite the tacit acceptance of the fact that his skin color adds a billion more weapons to the arsenal, is this history being used?

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:21 (fourteen years ago)

Remember also that the context in which you brought all of this up in defense of the statement "race is not a factor in why people are birthers"

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:22 (fourteen years ago)

(more fairly, "not always")

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:22 (fourteen years ago)

i think tbqf the tactics republicans use insofar as generally otherizing the dems are also used by the dems against the repubs but it doesn't bother the left because they're "on the right side" (which is of course why it doesn't bother the repubs either.) the repubs are more likely to attract racist loons of course because their party is prone to racist lunacy that seeps in quietly towards the middle from the fringe.

omar little, Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:26 (fourteen years ago)

a long project of dem otherizing

this is a drop in the bucket of the long project of white & patriarchal supremacy

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:26 (fourteen years ago)

Officials interviewed scoffed at the idea that Pakistan could have been unaware of the American operation.

“It’s a no-fly zone,” said a Pakistani intelligence official, referring to the area around bin Laden’s mansion and the nearby military compound. “It is impossible for U.S. helicopters to fly over there without our knowledge and permission.”

A Pakistan Air Force official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, rejected reports that U.S. special forces had jammed Pakistan’s radar system in order to circumvent the no-fly zone.

“This is totally untrue. Neither our radars were jammed nor was any scrambling of any air force plane recorded,” the official said, referring to the practice of launching aircraft in the event that the airspace has been breached. Some observers said the helicopters may have been equipped with stealth technology, but that has not been confirmed.

Residents in the area confirmed that the Pakistan army appeared to have at least some knowledge of the operation well before it began. Several residents said that two hours before the United States launched its attack, Pakistani army personnel ordered them to switch off their lights inside and outside their homes and remain indoors until further notice.

“The army personnel cordoned off the entire area long before we heard the sounds of helicopters hovering over the area,” said Zulfikar Ahmed, who lives in the Abbottabad neighborhood of Bilal Town, where bin Laden’s compound is located. Locals interviewed by the BBC and several other local and international media outlets made similar statements.

Several meetings leading up to the attack, when viewed in sum, also indicate that Pakistan might have known of the operation beforehand.

“Gen. David Petraeus paid an extraordinary visit to Islamabad on April 25,” said a senior military official said. The official said Petraeus held a one-on-one meeting with Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Pakistan’s army chief of staff, in which they discussed the details of the operation.

The next day, Pakistan’s top military body — the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee — held its quarterly session, which was attended by Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, the country's intelligence chief, who is not a regular member of the body. Pasha had visited the United States to meet with the head of the Central Intelligence Agency, Leon Panetta, on April 11.

Analysts in Pakistan said that the Pakistani government likely wanted to hide its role in the operation to avoid a backlash from the public, which has grown increasingly impatient with the United States and the growing presence of the Central Intelligence Agency inside their country.

But now international pressure is growing on the military to answer not only for its lack of support in the raid but also for not knowing about bin Laden’s hideout, which was located close to the Pakistan Military Academy. Some in the military — which has long been one of the more respected institutions in the country — are looking to correct the record.

U.S. President Barack Obama has sought to diffuse the tension since the raid took place, calling Pakistan an important ally and highlighting the intelligence sharing between the two countries that helped lead the United States to bin Laden’s compound.

In his speech on Sunday announcing bin Laden’s death, Obama recognized Pakistan’s cooperation.

"It’s important to note that our counterterrorism cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to bin Laden and the compound where he was hiding," the president said.

When contacted by GlobalPost about this latest information, the White House press office said all details about the operation have already been released.

White House spokesman Jay Carney on Wednesday said the United States’ relationship with Pakistan was “complicated,” but that it was important to maintain.

“The fight is not done, and we look forward to cooperating with Pakistan in the future,” he said at a White House press briefing. “As others have said, more terrorists have been killed on Pakistani soil than probably any other country. And the cooperation we’ve received from Pakistan has been very useful in that regard.”

The European Union on Thursday also came to the defense of Pakistan, calling the country an “important partner,” echoing similar statements from officials at NATO that were made on Wednesday.

Experts and analysts here said that the Pakistani government itself, which is concerned about appearing overly friendly with the United States and angering its citizens, is likely encouraging the United States to downplay Pakistan’s involvement in finding bin Laden and the eventual operation against him.

In fact, analysts said, Pakistani authorities have long been trying to compose a storyline that it is actively working against the United States — an effort that is aimed at keeping the country’s population from rising up against the political leadership. Pakistanis have grown tired of U.S. involvement in its affairs in the last decade and ongoing drone attacks in its northern tribal belt that have killed numerous civilians.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/pakistan/110505/pakistan-army-osama-bin-laden-dead

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:28 (fourteen years ago)

(sorry to go back on topic, I know that there are so very few race and obama/general politics threads on ILE...)

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:29 (fourteen years ago)

lol*2

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:29 (fourteen years ago)

to think about it another way, just because dem male presidents get called girly men doesnt make it less observably sexist if R's target a female presidential candidacy for the 'weaknesses' of women, you know?

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:32 (fourteen years ago)

^^^an example where the sex & race thing can actually be switched & the parallel works imo

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:33 (fourteen years ago)

A lot of the racism in this country stems not from some deep-seated conviction that race actually makes ppl biologically different in any fundamental way but that different cultures are suspect and a potential challenge to one's own. Birthers and tea-partiers always trot out their black members to show that they're not racists and they're mostly not towards them, because they agree w/them. It's precisely when they're actually forced to defend the rationality behind their assumption of superiority that they're most caustic, hence calling a moderate Democrat a socialist or Nazi, or saying the left hates America because it has the effrontery to make a critique. This where American 'exceptionalism' comes from. This is why when we torture it's justified since we're always the good guys. Most of the malicious lazy barbs about certain races stem from an unwillingness to actually look at the history of this country which might upend some ppl's self-regard.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:35 (fourteen years ago)

or more accurately, a rejection of that history ("that was then, this is now", a sentiment which is sometimes warranted but not always; basically, if you catch yourself saying reactionary/mean shit, you should always check yourself)

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:38 (fourteen years ago)

thanks Steve Shasta!!

sooo, what's the implication there, the pakistani "military" and "intelligence" ppl are non-contiguous? is that how it works, i truly don't know.

goole, Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:42 (fourteen years ago)

The next day, Pakistan’s top military body — the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee — held its quarterly session, which was attended by Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, the country's intelligence chief, who is not a regular member of the body. Pasha had visited the United States to meet with the head of the Central Intelligence Agency, Leon Panetta, on April 11.

er no, just looked i up and Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha is head of if the ISI.

goole, Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:44 (fourteen years ago)

(as far as race & birtherism goes, part of me just kind of has to laugh -- if anything obama is exactly the kind of figure they have been trying to paint all democrats as forever. he just IS all of that stuff (professorial, rich, skinny, glib, liberal, not white) and they can barely understand why and how he won. he has scrambled their brains.

they are convinced if they just uncover some more crazy SeCrEts he will fall apart, but this is some kind of suppressed recognition that they wish his totally obvious, surface characteristics weren't enough to bury his career. come on!! the guy's black!! and the name!! what the fuck!!)

goole, Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:49 (fourteen years ago)

guys. GUYS. the SEAL dogs have titanium teeth

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/05/05/050511-news-seal-dog-1-5/

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:51 (fourteen years ago)

lol, times version of that story is WAY cuddlier
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/05/science/05dog.html

Suzanne Belger, president of the American Belgian Malinois Club, said she was hoping the dog was one of her breed “and that it did its job and came home safe.” But Laura Gilbert, corresponding secretary for the German Shepherd Dog Club of America, said she was sure the dog was her breed “because we’re the best!”

http://www.mtv.com/shared/promoimages/bands/d/dj_khaled/khaled_021809/281x211.jpg

Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:55 (fourteen years ago)

So one guy in the ISI squealed on another part of the ISI, right?

mh, Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:00 (fourteen years ago)

they are convinced if they just uncover some more crazy SeCrEts he will fall apart, but this is some kind of suppressed recognition that they wish his totally obvious, surface characteristics weren't enough to bury his career. come on!! the guy's black!! and the name!! what the fuck!!)

― goole, Thursday, May 5, 2011 6:49 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:00 (fourteen years ago)

Some dogs are big enough that, when they leap on a suspect, the person tends to drop to the ground, Sergeant Mylott said. Others bite arms or legs. “Different dogs do different things,” she said. “But whatever they do, it’s very difficult for that person to go any further.”

you don't say

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:02 (fourteen years ago)

Oh and can I just pour cold, chunky SCORN on all the Republicans/fake Independents now complaining that 9/11 and related events ought not be politicized by the President? #itsfinewhenwhiteydoesit

a modest broposal (suzy), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:08 (fourteen years ago)

this is a drop in the bucket of the long project of white & patriarchal supremacy

booming post imo

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:09 (fourteen years ago)

Some dogs are big enough that, when they leap on a suspect, the person tends to drop to the ground, Sergeant Mylott said. Others bite arms or legs. “Different dogs do different things,” she said. “But whatever they do, it’s very difficult for that person to go any further.”

you don't say

― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, May 5, 2011 3:02 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this article was killing me last ngiht

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:10 (fourteen years ago)

"Navy SEALs used dogs in the mission against Bin Laden. What kind of dogs? The military won't say. But here are some facts about dogs. Some dogs are big. Some dogs are small. Some dogs are good at running, and some dogs are good at jumping."

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:11 (fourteen years ago)

its like, have we already run out of wildly speculative articles about how rugged and hot all the seals are that we have to go do this with DOGS now??

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:12 (fourteen years ago)

I want to see a military Pomeranian

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:12 (fourteen years ago)

I hope in the upcoming 'kill bin laden' videogame there's a secret code that lets you play the dog character

iatee, Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:13 (fourteen years ago)

and that it is a pom pom

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:13 (fourteen years ago)

give me gangsta dawg gimme gangsta

goole, Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:14 (fourteen years ago)

Found the Salon thing I was looking for, about identity and narrative and whatnot:

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/05/04/obama_bin_laden_birther/index.html

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:14 (fourteen years ago)

I'd like to discover events were livened up by a cadre of attack poodles (tbf I just like the phrase 'attack poodle'). xp

a modest broposal (suzy), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:15 (fourteen years ago)

Last year, the Seals bought four waterproof tactical vests for their dogs that featured infrared and night-vision cameras so that handlers — holding a three-inch monitor from as far as 1,000 yards away — could immediately see what the dogs were seeing. The vests, which come in coyote tan and camouflage, let handlers communicate with the dogs with a speaker, and the four together cost more than $86,000. Navy Seal teams have trained to parachute from great heights and deploy out of helicopters with dogs.

based on my limited dog exposure this seems like the worst fucking training ever

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:18 (fourteen years ago)

and you know why they don't work with pits? cuz pits aren't easily trained to attack people.

Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:19 (fourteen years ago)

(I suppose the mental image I have of a Navy Seal jumping out of a plane with his arms wrapped around a terrified German Shepherd isn't actually how this works, upon reflection)

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:20 (fourteen years ago)

cool_dog.flv

goole, Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:21 (fourteen years ago)

actually

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/navypooch.jpg

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:22 (fourteen years ago)

number of jumps before they thought of the muzzle: 1

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:22 (fourteen years ago)

http://fullpets.com/images/c/69063_skydiving_dog.jpg

scott seward, Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:23 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.guy-sports.com/fun_pictures/dog_walking_helicopter.jpg

omar little, Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:23 (fourteen years ago)

I want to see a military Pomeranian

― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, May 5, 2011 3:12 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Dan do not make me dig up the Pets in Uniform thread.

Captain Hyrax (Phil D.), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:23 (fourteen years ago)

also it has to be difficult to do a tuck and roll when you reach the ground with a chestful of dog

xp: there isn't a single thing that isn't hilarious about these pictures

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:24 (fourteen years ago)

Wait until you see how they pick up the dog poop xp

Captain Hyrax (Phil D.), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:24 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.lansingcitypulse.com/lansing/imgs/media/howloween___1st_place___helicopter.jpg

omar little, Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:24 (fourteen years ago)

http://timenewsfeed.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/helicopterdogs.jpg?w=455

omar little, Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:25 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.ljmolineux.com/pets/navy-seal-dog2.jpg

scott seward, Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:25 (fourteen years ago)

This is officially and unequivocally the highlight of my day, thanking u omar

Xp and scott

Captain Hyrax (Phil D.), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:26 (fourteen years ago)

paging whiney

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:26 (fourteen years ago)

I mean, how does SCUBA dog check his gauges there? Science demands an answer.

Captain Hyrax (Phil D.), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:27 (fourteen years ago)

pits were dope war dogs back in the day tho'
http://www.digitaldog.com/stubby.html

Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:27 (fourteen years ago)

"How many PSI are you down to?"

"Woof!"

Captain Hyrax (Phil D.), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:27 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFmYaO6Ixdw

omar little, Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:28 (fourteen years ago)

omg at these dogs

kind of like Madonna and the gays (history mayne), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:29 (fourteen years ago)

I was really, really hoping they had trained those dogs to deploy parachutes

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:30 (fourteen years ago)

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_navy_canine_k9_and_military_dogs_ss_9_jp_110505_ssh.jpg

omar little, Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:31 (fourteen years ago)

Cry 'Hovercraft' and let slip the dogs of war...

a modest broposal (suzy), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:33 (fourteen years ago)

Have to shut my office door I am LOLing so loudly.

Captain Hyrax (Phil D.), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:33 (fourteen years ago)

okay, this is now officially my favourite thread ever

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:34 (fourteen years ago)

all these little dudes rule

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:39 (fourteen years ago)

This is AWESOME!

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:40 (fourteen years ago)

I wonder if bin Laden got to see a titanium toothed SEAL dog before they offed him.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:41 (fourteen years ago)

a point ignored in most of this is that muslims are not big fans of dogs, titanium toothed or not

Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:43 (fourteen years ago)

Fidon't

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:44 (fourteen years ago)

is that actually true? serious q.

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:44 (fourteen years ago)

wat the hell are u lookin at

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:45 (fourteen years ago)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PNESGwoU4lk/SnRkcLPiq0I/AAAAAAAAAIY/JPRahB4jsxQ/s320/stubby.jpg

Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:47 (fourteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_animals#Dogs

The majority of Muslim jurists consider dogs to be ritually unclean, though jurists from the Sunni Maliki school disagree.[24] However, outside their ritual uncleanness, Islamic fatāwā, or rulings, enjoin that dogs be treated kindly or else be freed.[25]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_dogs

The majority of both Sunni and Shi'a Muslim jurists consider dogs to be ritually unclean.[1] Most practicing Muslims do not have dogs as pets,[2] though dogs are allowed to be kept for guarding the house or farm, or when used for hunting purposes. Outside their ritual uncleanness, individual Islamic fatāwā, or rulings, have expressed that dogs be treated kindly or else be freed.[3]

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:47 (fourteen years ago)

i know, lolkipedia, but:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_dogs
The majority of both Sunni and Shi'a Muslim jurists consider dogs to be ritually unclean. Most practicing Muslims do not have dogs as pets, though dogs are allowed to be kept for guarding the house or farm, or when used for hunting purposes. Outside their ritual uncleanness, individual Islamic fatāwā, or rulings, have expressed that dogs be treated kindly or else be freed.

Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:48 (fourteen years ago)

xp, nevermind

Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:48 (fourteen years ago)

And now we await SEALDogs from whichever the fuck studio brought us...whatever the fuck the last computer-animated anthropomorphic-dog movie was.

Guy? Guy? It's me, your cousin, Marvin Mann-Dude (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:49 (fourteen years ago)

"These dogs have been bidin' their time...but soon they'll be bitin' Bin Laden!"

(cue "Bad To The Bone")

Guy? Guy? It's me, your cousin, Marvin Mann-Dude (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:50 (fourteen years ago)

well right i knew that, but i guess i'm just skeptical of the idea that someone could think "oh well if XXX is muslim then they probably dislike dogs"

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:50 (fourteen years ago)

One thing I always wondered about is anybody's vehemence against war dogs, that it'd be cruel to bring them into combat zones. I'm somebody who supports the integration of animals into all facets of daily life, so this just seems like a part of it. Plus, if you have to go into a life or death situ, one could only assume that having your dog there would keep you sane.

Plus, there's a storied history of war dogs and mascots in Anglo-American history. They saved countless lives during the Pacific campaign, and if you want a great story with a bittersweet ending, read about Patton's bull terrier.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:52 (fourteen years ago)

If something was big in ye olde Europe, official Islam mostly disapproves, is my impression.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:52 (fourteen years ago)

xp dont tell me he was drivin the jeep

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:54 (fourteen years ago)

Close!

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:54 (fourteen years ago)

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01597/dog-article_1597674c.jpg

omar little, Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:55 (fourteen years ago)

how many of these people hit the ground covered in dog piss

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:57 (fourteen years ago)

not really sure how much of a fuck the navy seals should give about the superstitions of people they're about to mercilessly gun down

kind of like Madonna and the gays (history mayne), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:57 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.olive-drab.com/gallery/photos/patton_willie_and_papers_sm.jpg

Poor Willie

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:59 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.pattonhq.com/willie.html

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2542/3793065982_96fd12be38.jpg

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:07 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.pattonhq.com/willie/dogwag.gif

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:10 (fourteen years ago)

READY FOR ENHANCED INTERROGATION

http://www.dogmine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/crazy-dog.jpg

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:13 (fourteen years ago)

not really sure how much of a fuck the navy seals should give about the superstitions of people they're about to mercilessly gun down

― kind of like Madonna and the gays (history mayne), Thursday, May 5, 2011 3:57 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

agreed

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:14 (fourteen years ago)

Werent the combat dogs in Vietnam left over there? they couldnt bring them back?

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:15 (fourteen years ago)

What did you think about the Daily News' headline, "Rot in Hell"?

I wasn't thrilled by it because bin Laden couldn't see those three words.

But didn't you agree with the sentiment?

It's easy to be a tough guy when no one's going to come knocking on your door. I thought of all those people--the ones who jumped out of windows, the firemen, people running down the jammed hallways trying to get out. I thought more of them--but I'm glad they got bin Laden. I have no sympathy whatsoever for him--he was a tall rich kid who thought God talked to him. He used money he'd never earned to kill people and called it a holy mission.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:16 (fourteen years ago)

Isn't that what The Deer Hunter's about?

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:16 (fourteen years ago)

that's pete hamill btw

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2011/05/pete-hamill-on-9-11-jihads-and-why-bin-ladens-death-cant-bring-closure/238406/1/

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:18 (fourteen years ago)

i thought that was what chrlie sheen's stage show was gonna be about

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:18 (fourteen years ago)

In March, Congressman Peter King (R-N.Y.) held hearings on Capitol Hill about Islamic faith and whether it was generating radical Islamists who become terrorists. Did you support his inquiry?

No. I thought the hearings were preposterous. Look, the most successful terrorist group in the United States for almost 70 years was the Ku Klux Klan. They hated Catholics, Jews, and blacks. They were prone to violence. In places such as Indiana, the Klan had more members than they did in Alabama. But even in those days, nobody suggested having an investigation of Christian churches because the vast majority of the guys with the hoods were Christians. I can't find anybody in the history of our country who ever had Congressional hearings into the Christian church as an instigator of violence. Peter King is a nice fellow, but he was badly served by his staff when he came up with that dumbbell idea.

omar little, Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:22 (fourteen years ago)

oh that is awesome

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:24 (fourteen years ago)

"badly served by his staff" is such a hardbody zing

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:25 (fourteen years ago)

They had no idea how or program to rehabilitate the dogs from Vietnam afterwards, so they were destroyed. Read some interviews with the K9 guys and they're emotionally wrecked about it to this day.

Fortunately, things got better.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:26 (fourteen years ago)

roo ront ro ran, roo rerrent rere

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:28 (fourteen years ago)

ROR

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:36 (fourteen years ago)

Aw, great great Hamill interview, that

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:50 (fourteen years ago)

Actually, sorry to apply lyfe to this, but my Asian and Somali neighbours are startled by dogs - I walk a whippet for my friend twice a week and if I'm walking him when school's just let out, I'm aware that the mums and small kids from Muslim families will jump back from even the smallest puppy. Mitigating circumstances: lots of numpty tracksuit guys and their Staffie/Bull Terrier/Mastiff/insert jowly drooly breed here. These guys kind of profile as bigots and their pets don't make a great intro to PUPPY for little kids or their parents who don't keep pets, but a 13-year-old attention-whore whippet with help-me eyes that enjoys being met with DOGGIE! by the other kids is not the dog to be frightened by.

Because they are my neighbours and I know them, I explain that this dog's nice and offer the 'petting zoo' experience and/or just try to look like a more friendly person if they are further away.

a modest broposal (suzy), Thursday, 5 May 2011 21:08 (fourteen years ago)

Just dont ask hammill about the Brooklyn Dodgers and their departure from New York. He makes a fool out of himself on that topic.

Bummed about the Vietnam dogs.

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Thursday, 5 May 2011 21:10 (fourteen years ago)

Bill, he only said he loves seeing the take-over?

Anyway, I know nothing about baseball so I'm not hindered by that

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 5 May 2011 21:13 (fourteen years ago)

bin laden liked baseball ;_;

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Thursday, 5 May 2011 21:15 (fourteen years ago)

al-Qaeda means "the baseball" in Arabic.

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 5 May 2011 21:17 (fourteen years ago)

FWIW, my wife used to live in Pakistan, and they had tons of trouble with their guards abusing their dog (and other dogs, too). Don't know how isolated that kind of stuff is, though I'd think twice about keeping a pet pig.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 May 2011 21:22 (fourteen years ago)

Bill, he only said he loves seeing the take-over?

^no, he has this weepy nostalgic thing about how the owners at the time (late '50s) left Brooklyn purely out of greed for the greener pastures of California. He says it was some sort of blow to the heart of Brooklyn or something stupid like that and he hates the family that owned the team for ripping the heart out of his hometown. The facts show something else. 1) the Dodgers were forced out of town by the city and 2) the Dodgers had terrible attendance, nobody really gave a fuck. So he's totally full of shit.

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Thursday, 5 May 2011 21:36 (fourteen years ago)

Ok, but he didn't say that in the interview linked above, which was what I was on about. (this is the only quote about it in there: "Oh, I love it. I'm the Brooklyn Dodger fan who will never forgive and never forget. There are few of us left. And the idea that this guy would steal the name of a great Irish-American writer—that's why penitentiaries exist."

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 5 May 2011 21:48 (fourteen years ago)

"Peter King is a nice fellow"

this is more preposterous than any Dodger stuff

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 May 2011 22:03 (fourteen years ago)

nice to have a poison with

last night a bj saved my life (absolutely clean glasses), Thursday, 5 May 2011 22:06 (fourteen years ago)

i'm wondering if that "nice fellow" was delivered with a dose of something else.

omar little, Thursday, 5 May 2011 22:11 (fourteen years ago)

arsenic iirc

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Thursday, 5 May 2011 22:12 (fourteen years ago)

WASHINGTON (AP) — Some of the first information gleaned from Osama bin Laden's compound indicates al-Qaida considered attacking U.S. trains, but U.S. officials say they have no recent intelligence indicating such a plot is active.

A Homeland Security intelligence warning sent to law enforcement officials around the country says as that of February 2010, the terror organization was considering tampering with an unspecified U.S. rail track so that a train would fall off the track at a valley or a bridge. The warning was obtained by The Associated Press and marked for official use only.

This information appears to be the first widely circulated intelligence pulled from the May 1 raid on bin Laden's secret compound. After killing bin Laden, Navy SEALs took computers, DVDs and documents from his house.

scott seward, Thursday, 5 May 2011 22:28 (fourteen years ago)

Next it would have to be a freeway overpass.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Thursday, 5 May 2011 22:32 (fourteen years ago)

oh god welp there goes our dreams for high speed rail

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 5 May 2011 22:32 (fourteen years ago)

Sabotage during a railway worker strike in France

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Thursday, 5 May 2011 22:36 (fourteen years ago)

"I love that this historic thread will forever be remembered as being started by ILX user Wiggywoo
― br8080 (dayo), Sunday, May 1, 2011 9:28 PM (4 days ago)"

"i keep singing wiggywoo to the tune of the Pazant Bros song sampled in Main Source's "Lookin At The Front Door"
WIGGY WOOO WOOO WOOOOOOO
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, May 2, 2011 12:20 AM (3 days ago)"

Love, love, love these.

Wiggywoo, Friday, 6 May 2011 03:15 (fourteen years ago)

this really has been one of the best threads this year; scuba-chihuahua clinched it

schizophrenics think I'm hilarious (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 6 May 2011 03:17 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WM8cGJQdlM&feature=related

Whole buncha vids on YT about stray dogs and the U.S. military trying to save them in Iraq. Some of them will make you cry.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Friday, 6 May 2011 04:21 (fourteen years ago)

http://m.kotaku.com//5799114/abottabad-gamer-likens-bin-laden-raid-to-call-of-duty-town-to-smallville

Local Pakistani gamer/metalhead tries to tell the world about his town, and how that night was straight out of Call Of Duty

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Friday, 6 May 2011 18:46 (fourteen years ago)

Taliban love Counterstrike, but they "always play as the terrorists"

mh, Friday, 6 May 2011 19:06 (fourteen years ago)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1241/1461435194_c187609f59_z.jpg

sup

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Friday, 6 May 2011 19:13 (fourteen years ago)

finally, a response from the jazz world:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acjlgrC2yjk

scott seward, Friday, 6 May 2011 21:35 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/05/04/war_dog

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/fp_uploaded_images/110504_wardogs5.jpg

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/fp_uploaded_images/110504_wardogs3.jpg

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/fp_uploaded_images/110504_Fin96160586b.jpg

In October 2010, the Pentagon announced that after six years and $19 billion spent in the attempt to build the ultimate bomb detector technology, dogs were still the most accurate sniffers around. The rate of detection with the Pentagon's fanciest equipment -- drones and aerial detectors -- was a 50 percent success rate, but when a dog was involved it rose 30 percent.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Saturday, 7 May 2011 01:04 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.slate.com/id/2293034/

Canine Commando
Why did the military send a dog to help kill Bin Laden?
By Brian PalmerPosted Wednesday, May 4, 2011, at 5:54 PM ET

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Saturday, 7 May 2011 01:08 (fourteen years ago)

thanks for that fp link!

markers, Saturday, 7 May 2011 01:09 (fourteen years ago)

from a page from that photo essay [http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/05/04/war_dog?page=0,6]:

Not only are these dogs fierce assault weapons, they are loyal guardians. When Private First Class Colton Rusk was shot after his unit came under Taliban sniper fire during a routine patrol in Afghanistan, Rusk's bomb-sniffing dog, Eli, crawled on top of his body, attacking anyone -- including Rusk's fellow Marines -- who tried to come near him. Rusk did not survive the assault, but Eli was granted early retirement so he could live with Rusk's family.

markers, Saturday, 7 May 2011 01:13 (fourteen years ago)

can't wait for our World War III thread to be derailed by kitties.

Greenwald:

Once you embrace the bin Laden Exception, how does it stay confined to him? Isn't it necessarily the case that you're endorsing the right of the U.S. Government to treat any top-level Terrorists in similar fashion? Again, this isn't an argument that the bin Laden killing was illegal; it very well may have been legal, depending on the facts. But if we just cheer for this without caring about those facts, isn't it clear that we're endorsing a dangerous unfettered power -- one that runs afoul of multiple principles which opponents of the Bush/Cheney template have long defended?

http://www.salon.com/news/osama_bin_laden/index.html?story=/opinion/greenwald/2011/05/06/bin_laden

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 May 2011 01:55 (fourteen years ago)

I am looking forward to ww3 more now, knowing that it will be fought using warrior kitties

iatee, Saturday, 7 May 2011 01:57 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9fsm_actiekatten_shortfilms

buzza, Saturday, 7 May 2011 03:40 (fourteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrior_Cats

Warriors is a series of children's fiction novels published by HarperCollins and written by Erin Hunter, a pseudonym used by authors Kate Cary, Cherith Baldry, and Tui Sutherland; the plot is developed by editor Victoria Holmes.[2] The series follows the adventures of four Clans of wild cats in their forest homes.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Saturday, 7 May 2011 05:12 (fourteen years ago)

i see, thread over

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 May 2011 07:42 (fourteen years ago)

The cover of this week's international edition of the Telegraph:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/292500378.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1304758592&Signature=Z5%2BX5Si0WoEfqwPWvfxA2BL%2FS4M%3D

a modest broposal (suzy), Saturday, 7 May 2011 08:41 (fourteen years ago)

haha can't believe that wasn't here sooner, so amazing

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 7 May 2011 09:02 (fourteen years ago)

of course

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Military-dog-Navy-SEAL-Team-6/208342825865273

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Saturday, 7 May 2011 16:14 (fourteen years ago)

Telegraph cover not loading for me, lemme check

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Saturday, 7 May 2011 16:15 (fourteen years ago)

A correction on one of the troubling facets(to me) of the initial report(s) on the military dogs, that of the removal of the dog's teeth for titanium replacements. Turns out its one of the many initial media reports of a world event that gets thing wrong:

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/no-navy-seal-dogs-dont-have-titanium-teeth/

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2011/05/4861156546_623df7770d_z.jpg

No, Navy SEAL Dogs Don’t Have Titanium Teeth

By Spencer Ackerman Email Author
May 5, 2011 |
5:51 pm |
Categories: Terrorists, Guerillas, Pirates

Military dogs are awe-inspiring creatures, especially when attached to elite troops like the Navy SEALs. All day, the media have been in a frenzy over the fact that a military dog accompanied SEAL Team 6 on its mission to wax Osama bin Laden.

But let’s kill a misleading meme before it spreads further: Navy SEAL dogs don’t have titanium teeth.

A piece in The Daily took a good, detailed sniff around the German shepherds and Belgian Malinois that accompany special operations forces on patrol. But overshadowing all the cool radios and cameras strapped to the dogs is the claim that their “razor-sharp teeth are made of titanium,” at a cost of $2,000 per chomper. Getting bit by them “is like being stabbed four times at once with a bone crusher,” one dog trainer told The Daily. To quote enhanced-grille expert Pall Wall, that got the internet going nuts.

There’s one problem. If the dogs do have Kanye teeth, it’s a sign something’s wrong with them.

“It would not be possible for them to use titanium teeth to make them even more aggressive,” says Jeff Franklin, owner of Cobra Canine in Virginia Beach. “They’re not as stable as a regular tooth would be, and they’re much more likely to come out” during a biting.

The only reason to have titanium teeth? Medical reasons, he says, like “if a dog breaks a tooth … it’s the same as a crown for a human.”

Franklin should know. Cobra Canine got a $550,000 contract in April from the U.S. Special Operations Command to train military working dogs for Naval Special Warfare Group 2. (He says it’s been “three years” since he’s worked with the very secretive “DevGru,” or Team 6.) That’s a re-up from the past two years, when he’s had contracts for dog training with the command that paid out $470,000 each.

Indeed, the command’s requirements for dog teeth don’t seem to account for the circumstances that would lead to grille enhancements. “All four canine teeth must be present and must not be weakened by notching, enamel hyperplasia or abnormal, excessive wear,” it reads.

In other words, if for some reason you see a SEAL dog with light glistening from its titanium teeth, your proper reaction is pity for the creature. “It’s a detriment, not a help,” Franklin says. On the other hand, if you’re coming into close contact with the jaws of a SEAL’s dog, you’re in for a lot of trouble from his very deadly master.

(Despite the many thousands of ethical issues in this mission, the dog thing is what sticks in my head. I care about animals; humans can fuck right off.)

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Saturday, 7 May 2011 16:26 (fourteen years ago)

To quote enhanced-grille expert Pall Wall, that got the internet going nuts.

lolll

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 7 May 2011 16:57 (fourteen years ago)

watching bin laden watching himself on al jazeera

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 7 May 2011 17:04 (fourteen years ago)

chomsky's take:

http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652/noam_chomsky_my_reaction_to_os/

the buttonmasher, the party crasher, the forget-my-lotion skin rasher (k3vin k.), Saturday, 7 May 2011 17:40 (fourteen years ago)

party pooper

scott seward, Saturday, 7 May 2011 17:48 (fourteen years ago)

My reaction to Chomsky: that is such shit.

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 7 May 2011 17:55 (fourteen years ago)

It’s as if the Luftwaffe were to call its fighter planes “Jew” and “Gypsy.”

buzza, Saturday, 7 May 2011 17:59 (fourteen years ago)

gypsyschmitt does have a certain ring to it.

scott seward, Saturday, 7 May 2011 18:02 (fourteen years ago)

Washington dismissed tentative offers by the Taliban (how serious, we do not know, because they were instantly dismissed) to extradite bin Laden

I mean, you could just blockquote the whole thing.

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 7 May 2011 18:06 (fourteen years ago)

certainly he sweems unaware half the country wd be celebrating a hit on W

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 May 2011 18:23 (fourteen years ago)

Wait, he's positing an Iraqi hit on W? Doesn't he mean AQ lashing out at, I dunno, Laos?

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 7 May 2011 18:26 (fourteen years ago)

gawd

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 7 May 2011 18:42 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.igp-web.com/laois/lmap-Laois.jpg

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Saturday, 7 May 2011 18:43 (fourteen years ago)

who let captainlorax write for guernica

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Saturday, 7 May 2011 19:22 (fourteen years ago)

Uncontroversially, his crimes vastly exceed bin Laden’s

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Saturday, 7 May 2011 19:24 (fourteen years ago)

Unchallopsly

President Keyes, Saturday, 7 May 2011 22:06 (fourteen years ago)

yeah the "uncontroversally" is kinda...disingenuous to say the least

bush pretty much is worse than bin laden tho

the buttonmasher, the party crasher, the forget-my-lotion skin rasher (k3vin k.), Saturday, 7 May 2011 22:33 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.gamebanana.com/maps/156014

aaaaaand the CS mods are out

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Saturday, 7 May 2011 23:04 (fourteen years ago)

not a mod, a map.

fy maps suck.

though cs or de hardly applicable here i guess. although both sides being armed also not accurate. whatevs.

Introducing the Hardline According to (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 7 May 2011 23:08 (fourteen years ago)

map then.

still, took longer for that to hit than i'd expected

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Saturday, 7 May 2011 23:15 (fourteen years ago)

yeah, true. on september 11th i remember a dude on with the name "osama bin lagging".

Introducing the Hardline According to (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 7 May 2011 23:20 (fourteen years ago)

I remember hearing about the CS mods/maps like either that day or the next

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Saturday, 7 May 2011 23:21 (fourteen years ago)

the last decade summarized:

It's a pity the towers weren't filled with the Clinton & Bush families, but 3000 dead ten years ago isn't too bad of a bloody nose for an empire that unstintingly supports Zionists maniacs.

TA DA!

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 8 May 2011 00:51 (fourteen years ago)

this guy

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 8 May 2011 01:14 (fourteen years ago)

Is Chomsky right about the lack of evidence implicating bin Laden?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 8 May 2011 01:16 (fourteen years ago)

let ye who call thyselves challopsists acknowledge thy master

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 May 2011 01:22 (fourteen years ago)

Morbs Partiers' perennial "Draft Chomsky 20xx"/"Chomsky, that Puppet?!" infighting would be so tedious..

Kerm, Sunday, 8 May 2011 01:28 (fourteen years ago)

plz I know no one less homicidal than Bam Pimp will ever be prez, y do u think ive given up?

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 8 May 2011 01:38 (fourteen years ago)

An admitted fan of the herb, Osama may have been stoned as part of his pain management program since there was a marijuana patch outside in the allotment and, like any world star in retirement, Osama liked to smoke a lot of weed and made DVDs of important speeches which stacked up forlornly on the bookshelf next to the bottles of pills and the Koran, hoping to get picked up by Al Jazeera or HBO. How his lieutenants must have yearned for his summary martyrdom as they received his importunate bulletins that they derail a train during Obama’s State of the Union and other madcap schemes.

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn05062011.html

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 8 May 2011 01:41 (fourteen years ago)

oroborbius: a snake that summarizes its own tail

normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 8 May 2011 02:14 (fourteen years ago)

thread needs a mumia link now

buzza, Sunday, 8 May 2011 03:10 (fourteen years ago)

omg lol xp

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 8 May 2011 04:37 (fourteen years ago)

i know all this white house backsliding re: the "resistance", the "human shield", the "serious faces watching tv" is lol and Troubling but honestly i mean it is pretty cool to live in a country where everyone knows this stuff two days after the lie's told and leon panetta has to grumble sheepishly about it on tv instead of just executing anyone who mentions it

difficult listening hour, Sunday, 8 May 2011 06:53 (fourteen years ago)

how's that for apologism

difficult listening hour, Sunday, 8 May 2011 06:53 (fourteen years ago)

plz I know no one less homicidal than Bam Pimp will ever be prez, y do u think ive given up?

― resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Saturday, May 7, 2011 9:38 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

racist

ice cr?m, Sunday, 8 May 2011 07:03 (fourteen years ago)

Ol' Noam's been quite careful not say AQ didn't do 9/11, but he's dancing all along that line xps. No doubt whoever takes him on by joining those final two dots will be target of some simply *withering* rhetoric in his next epistle.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 8 May 2011 07:07 (fourteen years ago)

At least there were no women in the room to distract the men from their important jobs.

http://i52.tinypic.com/o7655f.jpg

(vv radical hasidic newspapers don't print pictures of women. via )

StanM, Sunday, 8 May 2011 07:43 (fourteen years ago)

A REMOTE !!!

http://i.imgur.com/efFWr.jpg

StanM, Sunday, 8 May 2011 08:15 (fourteen years ago)

Thought he was playing Wii Sports.

James Mitchell, Sunday, 8 May 2011 08:16 (fourteen years ago)

Stan: I feel sorry for the other lady who was also shopped out but no one bothered to note :/

The man who mistook his life for a FAP (Trayce), Sunday, 8 May 2011 08:42 (fourteen years ago)

Indeed - she is less public than Hilary (nobody seemed to know about her at all before this picture, even), but even so, this warrants a Blog Ignores Other Woman In Picture blog post imho.

StanM, Sunday, 8 May 2011 08:52 (fourteen years ago)

lol so my dad apparently wrote an article in chinese about how bin laden isn't actually dead

a board in which there is lively and fuiud debate? (dayo), Sunday, 8 May 2011 13:00 (fourteen years ago)

what if bin laden never existed

makes ya think

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Sunday, 8 May 2011 13:03 (fourteen years ago)

my guess is after that, you'll probably never hear from him again etc

socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 May 2011 13:08 (fourteen years ago)

re charedi newspaper not showing hilary clinton -- i've worked at a couple "ultra-orthodox" newspapers and i've never even heard of that particular one. it probably has a readership in the dozens. aka being upset about this is not so different from being upset about some dude in a basement writing conspiracy dispatches. (and a lot of these are published in residential basements -- and have more problems than photoshopping pix, sometimes they just recycle full news stories without giving byline attribution, or totally invent stories!)

Mordy, Sunday, 8 May 2011 18:11 (fourteen years ago)

Yeah, I was starting to doubt the whole story too, as googling the name of the newspaper primarily seems to result in links to this particular story on this particular orthodox-critical blog. Apologies I thought it could be plausible.

StanM, Sunday, 8 May 2011 18:22 (fourteen years ago)

I'm sure it's "true." It's just also "who cares?"

Mordy, Sunday, 8 May 2011 18:35 (fourteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/qosZl.jpg

StanM, Sunday, 8 May 2011 21:28 (fourteen years ago)

great that means I may wind up on a no fly list now

starland vocal banned (Neanderthal), Sunday, 8 May 2011 21:29 (fourteen years ago)

why, are you also a grandson of a jewish urologist?

zappi, Sunday, 8 May 2011 21:32 (fourteen years ago)

not that i should question the resumé of al awlaki but how is recruiting a dude that stuck a defective bomb in his underwear & subsequently snitched after capture considered a "bona fide" -- seemed like that'd be something he'd try to bury during his interview

J0rdan S., Sunday, 8 May 2011 21:47 (fourteen years ago)

The Egyptian dude's greatest accomplishment is spending nine years under house arrest? There's a certain lady in Birma who the USA might want to send a kill team to, then.

StanM, Sunday, 8 May 2011 22:01 (fourteen years ago)

anwar al awlaki better get a trademark if he wants to compete

difficult listening hour, Sunday, 8 May 2011 22:11 (fourteen years ago)

It's invisibility, obv.

StanM, Sunday, 8 May 2011 22:12 (fourteen years ago)

trademark: always leaves them wanting more

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Sunday, 8 May 2011 22:14 (fourteen years ago)

Oh no, I didn't shave and I have chin fuzz RIGHT NOW! Saif must have put it there while I wasn't looking, I guess. Avenge me!

StanM, Sunday, 8 May 2011 22:18 (fourteen years ago)

3000 dead ten years ago isn't too bad of a bloody nose for an empire that unstintingly supports Zionists maniacs.

TA DA!

― resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Sunday, May 8, 2011 1:51 AM (21 hours ago) Bookmark

can't really be bothered to tell you to go fuck yourself

reference + ilx meme (history mayne), Sunday, 8 May 2011 22:25 (fourteen years ago)

Background and childhood

Gadahn was born Adam Pearlman, the son of musician Phil Pearlman. Gadahn's Jewish paternal grandfather, Carl Pearlman, was a prominent urologist; and on the Board of Directors of the Anti-Defamation League. According to Gadahn, he was a "zealous supporter" of Israel.[7][8] Gadahn's paternal grandmother, Agnes Branch, a Christian, was an editor for The Christian Family Chronicles ( genealogical publication for people with the surname "Christian").[9] Gadahn's father, originally Phil Pearlman, grew up in Orange County, California. He was involved in the counterculture movement at the University of California at Irvine, and before Adam's birth became a Christian. Gadahn described his father as having been "raised agnostic or atheist, but he became a believer in One God when he picked up a Bible left on the beach.”[2] His father's religious perspective was flexible and based upon his own spiritual needs and as a new convert to Islam, Gadahn portrayed his father in manner sympathetic to his religion of conversion.[2] Phil and his wife Jennifer changed their name to Gadahn, after the Biblical warrior Gideon.[2]
Gadahn was born in Oregon, United States, raised a Protestant Christian, and homeschooled through high school by his parents on an isolated farm in Western Riverside County, California.[2] He played Little League baseball and participated in Christian homeschool support groups. As an adolescent he became very involved in the death metal community, making contact with fans and musicians through alternative magazines.[2] During the summer of 1993, he formed his own one-man band called Aphasia.[2] Gadahn contributed music reviews and artwork to a zine called Xenocide.[2] In 1995, at age 16, Gadahn moved in with his grandparents in the Floral Park neighborhood of Santa Ana, California, where he worked in a computer store and explored the Internet.[2] Not long after, he converted to Islam and lamented the estrangement his musical interest caused between him and his family writing, "My relationship with my parents became strained, although only intermittently so. I am sorry even as I write this."[2]

dblake (symsymsym), Sunday, 8 May 2011 22:38 (fourteen years ago)

bam can be found pounding his chest on 60 mins atm

the buttonmasher, the party crasher, the forget-my-lotion skin rasher (k3vin k.), Sunday, 8 May 2011 23:19 (fourteen years ago)

i'm watching OSAMA I MEAN OBAMA on 60 minutes. i can't believe i still have to hear "blood & treasure". is that gonna be forever?

scott seward, Sunday, 8 May 2011 23:20 (fourteen years ago)

O played golf before the hammer fell on pakistan. he's smooth. nixon is tipping his hat in heaven.

scott seward, Sunday, 8 May 2011 23:25 (fourteen years ago)

wait, from hell, i guess. tipping his hat from hell.

scott seward, Sunday, 8 May 2011 23:26 (fourteen years ago)

He's hangin' with Lizzie Borden, John Wilkes Booth, Blackbeard the Pirate, John Dillinger, and the starting line of the 1976 Philadelphia Flyers.

Guy? Guy? It's me, your cousin, Marvin Mann-Dude (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 8 May 2011 23:28 (fourteen years ago)

http://adambuckman.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/bobby-clarke.jpg

scott seward, Sunday, 8 May 2011 23:42 (fourteen years ago)

troo patriots kickin' russian ass!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxzimDYlTCs&feature=fvwrel

scott seward, Sunday, 8 May 2011 23:48 (fourteen years ago)

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l37mzhBILG1qzo79oo1_500.png

Guy? Guy? It's me, your cousin, Marvin Mann-Dude (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 9 May 2011 04:08 (fourteen years ago)

as a kid i was always very impressed by "blood and treasure"

difficult listening hour, Monday, 9 May 2011 04:12 (fourteen years ago)

presidents be countin' on Pavlovian kids

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 May 2011 11:36 (fourteen years ago)

At a family gathering I heard about a conspiracy where Obama killed Osama 8 years ago and kept his body frozen. Apparently being a senator gives you unprecedented access to the military that even Dick Cheney doesn't have. Also I wonder why Obama revealed the killing now, rather than, say, a month before the 2012 election.

As a theory, its pretty ridiculous and needless. I'd actually sooner believe that Osama is a 100% fictional character played by an actor.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 9 May 2011 15:05 (fourteen years ago)

you mean State Senator

President Keyes, Monday, 9 May 2011 15:30 (fourteen years ago)

if Bam killed him in 2003 he probably could've used that in the 2008 election tbh

raggett doll, livin' in a rovi (some dude), Monday, 9 May 2011 15:31 (fourteen years ago)

the plot of the next wacky "average joe gets elected president" satire should be about some guy who accidentally runs over a terrorist driving drunk and becomes a national hero

raggett doll, livin' in a rovi (some dude), Monday, 9 May 2011 15:32 (fourteen years ago)

sounds like alt-history W bio

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 May 2011 15:37 (fourteen years ago)

President Bush…. President Laura Bush.

Pleasant Plains, Monday, 9 May 2011 15:57 (fourteen years ago)

presidents be countin' on Pavlovian kids

as a five-year-old i loudly supported g.h.w. bush's re-election campaign and sulked when he lost, but only because everyone else in the hotel room we were staying in to watch the returns was for clinton.

difficult listening hour, Monday, 9 May 2011 16:07 (fourteen years ago)

At a family gathering I heard about a conspiracy where Obama killed Osama 8 years ago and kept his body frozen.

...exactly what the reaction from everyone else to this piece of knowledge?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 May 2011 16:25 (fourteen years ago)

It was part of a conversation among a few who are fans of Alex Jones and Infowars and the like. I think it soon took a "Obama is the antichrist destroying the country" turn. I stayed out of the conversation.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 9 May 2011 16:32 (fourteen years ago)

happy mother's day!

goole, Monday, 9 May 2011 16:36 (fourteen years ago)

Make sure their Xmas gifts are of a portrait of Obama with one of those 'eyes that follow you wherever you go' qualities.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 May 2011 16:44 (fourteen years ago)

when i was in college i was one of the guys that thought bush had bin laden imprisoned in a bunker and he was gonna trot him out in october 04 to win the election. then he didn't, and he won anyway.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 9 May 2011 17:08 (fourteen years ago)

One Guardian commenter I saw said "So they found him one year before an election? Hmm, convenient." I hate that conspiracy theorist "hmm". The US is always either in an election year or one year before one. Eighteen months before one is about as inconvenient as it gets.

Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Monday, 9 May 2011 17:16 (fourteen years ago)

pretty convenient that they found him at such an inconvenient time, don't you think?

I'm at the combination pizza butt and taco hell (absolutely clean glasses), Monday, 9 May 2011 17:48 (fourteen years ago)

hmm

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 9 May 2011 17:58 (fourteen years ago)

Bin Laden Dead, dead serious about getting Obama re-elected!

StanM, Monday, 9 May 2011 18:01 (fourteen years ago)

Hasidic newspaper edits Hillary out of Bin Laden conference photo

LOL

no slouch of a snipster (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 May 2011 18:39 (fourteen years ago)

great find!

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 9 May 2011 18:41 (fourteen years ago)

LOL

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 9 May 2011 18:42 (fourteen years ago)

Shakey, so you can see what's already been said about it: Bin Laden Dead?

Pleasant Plains, Monday, 9 May 2011 18:42 (fourteen years ago)

Sexually suggestive?

Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Monday, 9 May 2011 18:42 (fourteen years ago)

made a joke last night where the punchline was "nom chompsky"

pretty proud of myself

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 9 May 2011 19:55 (fourteen years ago)

we used that as a trivia team name once - "om nom nom nom chompsky"

spätzle logic (donna rouge), Monday, 9 May 2011 19:57 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.tomscott.com/osama/#3PakAiTZWAs

gr8080, Monday, 9 May 2011 21:18 (fourteen years ago)

no wonder he did 9/11

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 9 May 2011 21:32 (fourteen years ago)

brilliant

I'm at the combination pizza butt and taco hell (absolutely clean glasses), Monday, 9 May 2011 21:43 (fourteen years ago)

Obfuscating on how intelligence was developed and on the specifics of how an operation was carried out is an essential part of covert operations. The precise process must be distorted to confuse opponents regarding how things actually played out; otherwise, the enemy learns lessons and adjusts. Ideally, the enemy learns the wrong lessons, and its adjustments wind up further weakening it. Operational disinformation is the final, critical phase of covert operations. So as interesting as it is to speculate on just how the United States located bin Laden and on exactly how the attack took place, it is ultimately not a fruitful discussion. Moreover, it does not focus on the truly important question, namely, the future of U.S.-Pakistani relations.

from the Stratfor elves, i.e. uncontroversially OTM

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 10:40 (fourteen years ago)

Still, it's hard not to wonder exactly what happened. It's like every FPS ever made has been subconsciously gesturing towards that moment. We can all imagine it in our heads. The tense briefing, "going in barefoot", the midnight chopper, covering fire, moving up the stairwell. And then Bin Laden, 30 feet tall, laughing demonically and throwing lightning bolts at you.

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 10:51 (fourteen years ago)

Fortunately, there were plenty of crates for the SEALs to take cover behind.

Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:00 (fourteen years ago)

Also the downed chopper setpiece has to go down as one of the great unexpected wrinkles in a final boss battle.

Are there any FPSs that make any great use of "don't kill the innocents?" That is what keep coming back to me when I try to imagine this - that in and amongst the killing, exploding, hard drive snatching, and body IDing, there are NINE KIDS running around. You sort of have to believe that if any of those kids gets hurt it's an instant MISSION FAIL - SNAAAAAAAAAAAKE

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:06 (fourteen years ago)

http://sydlexia.com/imagesandstuff/nes100/hogansalley.png

Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:19 (fourteen years ago)

What's that in her hand? An IED?

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:29 (fourteen years ago)

L-R: Village People cop, Lou Reed, Sarah Palin.

that's when i reach for my ︻╦╤─* (suzy), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:31 (fourteen years ago)

Don't understand all the handwringing here re: relations with Pakistan. If significant (that is, power holding or power swaying) elements of Pakistan's gov were housing and aiding Bin Laden, that seems almost like a deal-breaker right there, a pretty serious betrayal of trust. And if the more US-aligned elements in Pakistan's gov - or parallel govs - were in the dark on this, that, too, is not a ringing endorsement of their abilities or competence. Not sure what Pakistan can offer us that is not in their own best interests as well. I suppose the question is if it's worth the gamble of supporting a government on the brink of chaos for the sake of forestalling said chaos, and even then only maybe. At least we're good buds with India, which puts us in a relatively unique position of strength unlike that of most intractable global hot spots we're stuck dealing with.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:07 (fourteen years ago)

Not sure what Pakistan can offer us that is not in their own best interests as well

Maybe the avoidance of some kind of (possibly nuclear) conflict with "best buds", India? Or reducing the possibility of another one of their rogue scientists roaming the earth handing out nuclear goodies to terrorists and other baddies?

Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:10 (fourteen years ago)

america essentially chose pakistan 50 years ago as the large country in that part of asia to support, because they felt india was too sympathetic towards the soviet union. they've been one of the largest, if not largest outside israel, recipients of US aid for years. the reasons for this are fairly clear, US desired a bulwark against communism, an ally in the region, for pakistan to be succesful and prosper. this seems to have failed. though the very real and pretty fucking scary idea of pakistan becoming a failed state might dissuade one from just saying "fuck pakistan" and withdrawing economic support.

Introducing the Hardline According to (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:17 (fourteen years ago)

US desired a bulwark against communism, an ally in the region, for pakistan to be succesful and prosper. this seems to have failed.

this didn't fail. Pakistan's proxies in Afghanistan helped the Afghan war (among other things) cripple Soviets. US simply decided that a military dictatorship + islamic extremism was preferable to the the spectre of communism. (genius decision in hindsight, obviously)

Wrinkles (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:23 (fourteen years ago)

ie they're "our sonsofbitches"

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:49 (fourteen years ago)

pissing out of the tent, etc.

Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:04 (fourteen years ago)

I count "nuclear war with India" as not in Pakistan's best interests. And sure, funding the country as a bulwark against ... stuff makes sense, and a collapsed Pakistan would be very bad. But certainly any nation that at least in some way harbored Bin Laden for years, and certainly has been directly funding our adversaries in Afghanistan. can't necessarily be trusted to do whatever it is we want them to do with billions of aid, either due to incompetence or outright malevolence. No?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:54 (fourteen years ago)

Hitchens spanks Chomsky:

http://www.slate.com/id/2293541/

thirdalternative, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 19:49 (fourteen years ago)

come on man did you have to give me that mental image

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 19:52 (fourteen years ago)

Kinda half assed, especially on spidey.

Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:50 (fourteen years ago)

Uh, and Batman!

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:52 (fourteen years ago)

Note the laptop screens

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:56 (fourteen years ago)

lmao @ biden as the rumpled flash tho

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:56 (fourteen years ago)

Wonder Hillary has one sleeve on, one sleeve off.

But I get it: It's the President and his national security advisors depicted as comic book heroes.

Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:58 (fourteen years ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110509/us_yblog_thelookout/local-pastor-made-up-elaborate-navy-seal-tale

starland vocal banned (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:02 (fourteen years ago)

The photoshop thing is reaching some mainstream media too now: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/second-hasidic-newspaper-drops-hillary-clinton-and-audrey-tomason/2011/05/10/AFEpSMhG_blog.html (Colbert clip in article as well)

StanM, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 11:37 (fourteen years ago)

Has to be one of the laziest photoshops ive ever seen. Why is Batman's suit dissolving into a button-up dress shirt?

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 13:47 (fourteen years ago)

btw Mo Dowd loved the hit

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 14:21 (fourteen years ago)

As predicted, nobody is reading my post.

It appears that there have been numerous meetings over the last 3 weeks between the Pakistan military (who seem to have been providing OBL safe-harbor near to their "West Point") and CIA culminating in a deal with the ISI providing the info and green light to take out OBL in exchange for no more illegal drone/special ops activity. Not quite a conspiracy theory, but yet a very different picture than what the White House is painting.

― it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 5:46 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark

http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Politics/13-May-2011/Drone-kills-eight-in-NWA

can't believe nobody read your post

underrated homophobic raps i have dropped (history mayne), Friday, 13 May 2011 13:43 (fourteen years ago)

Shasta's source also told him the Mets would be the worst team in the NL this year

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 May 2011 13:50 (fourteen years ago)

Hitchens spanks Chomsky:

http://www.slate.com/id/2293541/

― thirdalternative, Tuesday, May 10, 2011 3:49 PM (3 days ago)

great opening sentence! stay classy, hitch!

the buttonmasher, the party crasher, the forget-my-lotion skin rasher (k3vin k.), Friday, 13 May 2011 13:51 (fourteen years ago)

lol morbs

the buttonmasher, the party crasher, the forget-my-lotion skin rasher (k3vin k.), Friday, 13 May 2011 13:51 (fourteen years ago)

92-year-old Nuremberg prosecutor, via Greenwald (I'll listen to the CBC interview later:

I'm afraid most of the lessons of Nuremberg have passed, unfortunately. The world has accepted them, but the U.S. seems reluctant to do so. The principal lesson we learned from Nuremberg is that a war of aggression -- that means, a war in violation of international law, in violation of the UN charter, and not in self-defense -- is the supreme international crime, because all the other crimes happen in war. And every leader who is responsible for planning and perpetrating that crime should be held to account in a court of law, and the law applies equally to everyone.

These lessons were hailed throughout the world -- I hailed them, I was involved in them -- and it saddens me to no end when Americans are asked: why don't you support the Nuremberg principles on aggression? And the response is: Nuremberg? That was then, this is now. Forget it.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/05/13/nuremberg/index.html

also, nice John Kerry quote: "It's time to shut up." What a long way he's come from 1972.

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 May 2011 17:21 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/05/ap-raiders-knew-mission-a-one-shot-deal-051711/

Romford Spring (DG), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:22 (fourteen years ago)

404

Frightening, but full of facts that are difficult to argue with. (dan m), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 17:00 (fourteen years ago)

Just add the / at the end like this.

StanM, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 17:03 (fourteen years ago)

so did the helicopter have owl wings?

Kerm, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 17:11 (fourteen years ago)

The principal lesson we learned from Nuremberg is that a war of aggression -- that means, a war in violation of international law, in violation of the UN charter, and not in self-defense -- is the supreme international crime, because all the other crimes happen in war. And every leader who is responsible for planning and perpetrating that crime should be held to account in a court of law, and the law applies equally to everyone.

he's exactly right that all the other crimes happen in war. they happen in UN-sanctioned wars too. (im not clicking on greenwald but it's not immediately clear how the quote is relevant to the hit on osama. was it not in self-defense?) the US didn't fight germany for reasons of self-defence, though, did it? and the system of 'international law', such as it was, failed. courts of law have to derive their authority from somewhere.

the whole of the goon (the whole of the moon is a famous song) (history mayne), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 23:47 (fourteen years ago)

interviewed ben ferencz the other day. dude is just FASCINATING no joke

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 23:50 (fourteen years ago)

the US didn't fight germany for reasons of self-defence, though, did it?

The USA declared war on Japan only after the attack on Pearl Harbor and a declaration of war upon the USA by Japan. Because of the Axis treaty, Germany and Italy declared war on the USA. After these declarations were made the USA declared war on Germany and Italy. This train of events establishes a clear self-defense situation in the USA's war against all three Axis powers.

Aimless, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 00:25 (fourteen years ago)

And of course there are false flag conspiracies about Pearl Harbor.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 00:53 (fourteen years ago)

US mighta stopped Joe Kennedy & friends from arming the Nazis, eh

the gay bloggers are onto the faggot tweets (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 00:57 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2011/05/18/97001-20110518FILWWW00552-al-qaidaun-chef-militaire-presume-arrete.php

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 15:06 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/osama-porn-names

loooooooool

solitary posts that effortlessly summarize the spirit of ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:23 (fourteen years ago)

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/3890/24814810150262761197363.jpg

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Monday, 30 May 2011 15:54 (fourteen years ago)

http://oi54.tinypic.com/2ls8mlz.jpg

goog lebron paul (am0n), Friday, 10 June 2011 05:45 (fourteen years ago)

ill run o

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 10 June 2011 07:06 (fourteen years ago)

"Bump" is long over, right?

already president FYI (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 June 2011 11:20 (fourteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

http://www.turntablelab.com/clothing/279/784/90644.html

When I first saw the diagram of Osama's compound, I thought: "that's a cool layout", almost like something you'd see in an architectural magazine. Then I thought, damn, I'm glad we caught that mofo and lets go get the rest of em. So I combined both ideas and came up with this shirt. Wear it with pride.

http://i.imgur.com/6a2d3.jpg

gr8080, Friday, 24 June 2011 19:34 (fourteen years ago)

lol thats actually a cool tshirt

Samuel (a hoy hoy), Friday, 24 June 2011 21:34 (fourteen years ago)

i wonder who's flickr he stole it from

is a joke i could make

del griffith, Friday, 24 June 2011 22:10 (fourteen years ago)

Looks stolen from Zaha Hadid's flickr!

chavatar (suzy), Friday, 24 June 2011 22:23 (fourteen years ago)

one month passes...

Poll: Anti-Muslim sentiment grew after bin Laden death

"In the weeks before bin Laden's death, nearly half of respondents described Muslim Americans as "trustworthy" and "peaceful," researchers said. After bin Laden's death, that figure dropped to one-third of respondents.
For Muslims, perhaps the most troublesome finding was that these negative shifts had occurred among political liberals and moderates, a constituency that had been seen as the most sympathetic to Muslims after the 9/11 terrorist attacks."

I'm not sure why that would be, or how seriously I should take this poll.

Keep Reading! (Mount Cleaners), Friday, 29 July 2011 14:40 (fourteen years ago)

http://rlv.zcache.com/saddam_hussein_hat-p148653865603391328q02g_400.jpg

i'm sorry for whatever (Noodle Vague), Friday, 29 July 2011 14:41 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/08/08/110808fa_fact_schmidle?currentPage=all

max, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 02:15 (fourteen years ago)

that was one of those articles where i had stuff to do & so after every page i was like "alright i'll stop now" but i just read the whole thing thru

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 2 August 2011 02:18 (fourteen years ago)

same. thank you nick schmidle for making me feel so involved that i sorta feel bin laden's blood is on my hands.

sitcom neighbor (schlump), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 09:27 (fourteen years ago)

did that seal have to say 'for god and country' once he announced bin laden being kia..? smdh

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 19:37 (fourteen years ago)

"geronimo down, KIA. boom. for real."

(oboe interlude) (schlump), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 19:39 (fourteen years ago)

Least that SEAL said it afterward. If it were a movie, he would have said it before pulling the trigger, giving OBL time to grab that meat cleaver from a nearby table.

≝ (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 19:40 (fourteen years ago)

lol

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 2 August 2011 19:42 (fourteen years ago)

it will be a movie, Kathryn Bigelow is working on it.

satan club sandwich (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 20:04 (fourteen years ago)

"aaaaand... boom goes the dynamite"

Dark Noises from the Eurozone (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 10:15 (fourteen years ago)

uh oh...

Paul Farhi susses out that Schmindle didn't speak directly to any SEALs:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/freelance-journalist-scores-coup-with-account-of-bin-laden-raid/2011/08/02/gIQAEiaeqI_story.html

C. Christine Fair (http://explore.georgetown.edu/people/ccf33/?action=viewgeneral) casts doubt on Schmindle's reporting, and on him personally:

http://www.registan.net/index.php/2011/08/04/the-schmidle-muddle-of-the-osama-bin-laden-take-down/

goole, Thursday, 4 August 2011 18:36 (fourteen years ago)

"the schmidle muddle"

Dave Zuul (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 August 2011 18:36 (fourteen years ago)

I mean is that Yiddish for something?

Dave Zuul (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 August 2011 18:37 (fourteen years ago)

schmidle's grandfather is a sec ops general i think

max, Thursday, 4 August 2011 18:38 (fourteen years ago)

honestly i think that article was kind of a bust--it was nice to read the story in a classic nyer stylee, but there wasnt any new information or informed ruminating or anything.

max, Thursday, 4 August 2011 18:40 (fourteen years ago)

schmindle's father is the marine LTG who's deputy head of US cyber command, apparently. quite an "in".

goole, Thursday, 4 August 2011 18:40 (fourteen years ago)

it was nice to read the story in a classic nyer stylee

right i kinda felt like i was reading a novelization of a movie i'd already seen

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 5 August 2011 00:40 (fourteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

So useless when they report "Al Qaeda's No. 2 Killed in Pakistan." How many Al Qaeda No. 2s have there been? A dozen by now?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 27 August 2011 18:39 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.new-video.de/da/612.jpg

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 August 2011 18:40 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Rm7w8hnso

buzza, Monday, 5 September 2011 04:36 (fourteen years ago)

seven months pass...

This is what the Obama administration does over and over. It’s a flagrant abuse of its secrecy powers. It uses anonymous leaks to selectively boast about what it does and thus shape media narratives and public understanding of its conduct (also called “domestic propaganda”). But it then simultaneously insists that the whole matter is classified — Top Secret — when it comes time to be subjected to any form of legal accountability or have its assertions publicly tested....

The corpse of Osama bin Laden will be one of the most featured props used by Democrats to venerate the President as a Tough, Strong Warrior and to argue that he deserves re-election (it will probably be the second-most invoked tactic, right after progressive celebrations over how “cool” Obama is, in contrast to the nerdy and awkward Romney: courtesy of the same political faction still so angry (and rightfully so) that the 2000 election became a referendum on the candidate with whom one would prefer to have a beer). Not that many people are interested in them, but there are still lingering questions over what happened in that raid. Either all of that information is classified, in which case the President’s aides should be barred from leaking unverifiable, politically beneficial snippets about it and should be criminally investigated on equal terms with other leakers when they do; or — despite John Kerry’s decree that everyone should simply “shut up and move on” – there should be real disclosure of the relevant information, which means not only on the campaign trail but in courts and media outlets.

http://www.salon.com/2012/04/27/selective_bin_laden_leaking/

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 19:59 (thirteen years ago)

What lingering questions does he want answered? Whether or not there were orders to shoot on sight?

Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:04 (thirteen years ago)

question: when will the manufactured outrage mill will shut down?

the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:06 (thirteen years ago)

What lingering questions does he want answered? Whether or not there were orders to shoot on sight?

I assume he's referring to the conflicting reports about whether Bin Laden was armed, how much he resisted, etc.

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:07 (thirteen years ago)

I know GG's whole thing is pretty much entirely 'ethics in the face of countervailing opinions' but this seems like a losing issue for him. how many ppl care about whether bin ladin was resisting or not?

Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:08 (thirteen years ago)

yeah and did they mirandize him first?

the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:10 (thirteen years ago)

Very few. What else is new? xp

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:11 (thirteen years ago)

ah, enjoy the slippery slope to the United Soviets.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:11 (thirteen years ago)

lol did you just call Obama a communist

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:12 (thirteen years ago)

who is the late great? He's still way too early imo.

c'mon, the USSR was ACTUALLY right wing. Authoritarian, whatev ya wanna call it.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:13 (thirteen years ago)

yes compared to the last 200 years when our gov't showed great deference to constitutionality and transparency during wartime

sorry morbs i'm too busy thinking about matters of substance to enjoy this slippery slope

the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:14 (thirteen years ago)

you keep fighting the good fight though

the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:15 (thirteen years ago)

ethan?

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:16 (thirteen years ago)

no, but i'm flattered :-)

the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:17 (thirteen years ago)

vahid yo

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:19 (thirteen years ago)

afaic i don't care if he was resisting or not. but even if I thought it mattered the State was going to kill him whether on the day and in the place they found him or later back in custody. I won't say that a charade of legality is meaningless, but gg wants to thread a needle so small that it might as well mean nothing.

Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:19 (thirteen years ago)

the USSR was ACTUALLY right wing

this is a weird way to characterize the USSR

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:20 (thirteen years ago)

It's like Jonah calling Nazis socialists

Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:21 (thirteen years ago)

how about actual legality instead of a charade of legality? I don't know if youve heard, Mordy, but another world is possible.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:21 (thirteen years ago)

...except it's not possible of course, given Savage Mules like you lot.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:21 (thirteen years ago)

lol @ "you lot"

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:23 (thirteen years ago)

"the rabble"

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:23 (thirteen years ago)

c'mon, the USSR was ACTUALLY right wing. Authoritarian, whatev ya wanna call it.

― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), F

I wanna go back to how odd this comment is.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:23 (thirteen years ago)

hey Mordy, yr first-name pal Jonah is expecting u for dinner

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:23 (thirteen years ago)

I actually do not give a flying fuck about poli-sci and its attendant pedantry, Alfred, so let's not do it.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:24 (thirteen years ago)

you brought it up!

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:26 (thirteen years ago)

how about actual legality instead of a charade of legality? I don't know if youve heard, Mordy, but another world is possible.

what is the real difference between killing obama on the spot or dragging him home and pretend to try him in a military tribunal and then execute him? are you so infatuated with the glamour of 'legality' that you don't realize that a state execution is a state execution no matter what veneer you put on it?

Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:27 (thirteen years ago)

fwiw I would have preferred to see Bin Laden arrested & tried in a court of law, and imprisoned for life but frankly there was no way that was ever going to happen so while I do not like being party to a nation that wantonly assassinates people I'm not really surprised/outraged about this particular instance.

xp

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:28 (thirteen years ago)

It was an "attempted capture," Mordy, don't go off script! The comparative truth-tests you guys apply to Mittens 24/7 vs the O-Man are hilarious.

saying that the US will likely resemble the USSR in 40 (10?) years does not mean it will be "Communist," any more than the USSR was a Marxist state once the Bolshies became the new tsarist assholes.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:29 (thirteen years ago)

i assume morbs is just using 'right-wing' as a synonym for pro-authoritarian but the USSR was not really right-wing at all in any meaningful way -- they didn't support existing hierarchies, they wiped them out en masse. it'd be like calling the post-1789 revolutionary french gov't 'right-wing' just because they killed lots of ppl.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:29 (thirteen years ago)

re: slippery slope i think killing al awlaki is somewhat troubling, arizona immigration crackdown is quite troubling and the case of tareq mehanna is EXTREMELY troubling

but mordy otm re: bin laden

the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:29 (thirteen years ago)

tbf to Morbz Mordy there is such a thing as the "moral high ground" in these kinds of cases (see also the Nuremburg Trials etc) and we definitely did not take it.

xp

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:29 (thirteen years ago)

morbz, i know that when you say 'you guys' you're just defaulting to a fantasized ILX boogieman that you're constantly in dialogue with but i'm pretty sure my thing is not applying comparative truth-tests to Mittens v. the O-Man.

Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:30 (thirteen years ago)

never forget "traditional Muslim burial at sea"

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:30 (thirteen years ago)

I'll take the blame for inducing Morbs to replace Perrin with Greenwald.

All that interests me in today's post is Bradley Manning, and, yes, what's happening IS shameful. But I don't remember any libs in this here joint giving the prez credit for killing OSL. That's for Kevin Drum and the Beltway apparatchiks who design TIME cover stories.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:31 (thirteen years ago)

the USSR was not really right-wing at all in any meaningful way -- they didn't support existing hierarchies, they wiped them out en mass

I was gonna say this very thing but Morbz kiboshed it... but yeah the USSR in a way was beyond ideology together. It was just gangsters and the naked exercise of power, with a thin veneer of "leftist" rhetoric.

xp

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:31 (thirteen years ago)

even if you get into the 'state capitalist' critiques of the USSR, right wing isn't the right term

but hey, Morbs wasn't wrong on the first usage. If you want to use a random pejorative to denote hostility to civil rights and liberties, the Soviets are as good as any.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:31 (thirteen years ago)

i give the prez a ton of credit for killing OSL, but i wouldn't consider my positions on foreign affairs or OSL to be traditional ilx-lib opinion

Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:32 (thirteen years ago)

saying that the US will likely resemble the USSR in 40 (10?) years does not mean it will be "Communist,"

USSR didn't have corporations so um no

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:32 (thirteen years ago)

it's just such an outlier though - warrantless wiretapping and arrest is scary because it can happen to anybody and on a large scale. teams of navy seals busting down our doors or drone strikes on us citizens not so much

the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:33 (thirteen years ago)

I don't think OBL getting whacked is actually the point here - the secrecy on something like this, something so popular around the world that it was celebrated, is representative of the Obama White House's general hostility to openness and furtherance of Bush-era civil liberties abuses

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:33 (thirteen years ago)

"compromising secret systems and techniques used by the CIA and the military" - gee, can't believe phrases like this get a strict civil libertarian like GG het up

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:35 (thirteen years ago)

by any definition "right wing" denotes embrace of property, tradition, and at its cleverest an appropriation of leftist discourse to hide reactionary tendencies (e.g. Reagan quoting Thomas Paine again and again). The USSR um didn't do any of this.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:35 (thirteen years ago)

I don't think OBL getting whacked is actually the point here - the secrecy on something like this, something so popular around the world that it was celebrated, is representative of the Obama White House's general hostility to openness and furtherance of Bush-era civil liberties abuses

otm

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:35 (thirteen years ago)

corporations are our Central Committee, Shakes

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:37 (thirteen years ago)

well again what are they being secretive about in this particular case...? seems like tons of details leaked

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:37 (thirteen years ago)

don't we have more important things to be doing, like clamoring for the release of j edgar's fbi files?

the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:38 (thirteen years ago)

Last August, The New Yorker published what it purported to be a comprehensive account of the raid, based on mostly anonymous White House claims, that made Barack Obama look like a mix of Superman, Rambo and Clint Eastwood

why does GG have to do this? he has to add his extra layer of sweaty bullshit to everything. yes, the NYer account read like an airport novel, yes, it was thinly and anonymously sourced, but it made Barack Obama look like a dude in an office saying "ok let's do it". it had a boner for the SEALs, sure.

goole, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:40 (thirteen years ago)

maybe the obl stash will be unsealed in 50 years like the JFK file

the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:40 (thirteen years ago)

ah the "sooooo not important" card

xxp

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:40 (thirteen years ago)

there's an entire Greenwald column linked here about what's they're being secretive about, and 2/3 of it isn't actually on OBL

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:41 (thirteen years ago)

yeah, the late great's look here is worse than Morbs'

Dismissing concerns about the security state with a handwave and a WHOOOOO CARES is a half-step from "if you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about"

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:42 (thirteen years ago)

i'm not saying that. i'm just saying i'm a lot more troubled by things like knowing the criteria for airport watch lists or what exactly people in fuantanamo are charged with than knowing the details of the obl raid

fight the real enemy etc

the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:45 (thirteen years ago)

On March 14th, Obama called his national-security advisers into the White House Situation Room and reviewed a spreadsheet listing possible courses of action against the Abbottabad compound. Most were variations of either a JSOC raid or an airstrike. Some versions included coöperating with the Pakistani military; some did not. Obama decided against informing or working with Pakistan. “There was a real lack of confidence that the Pakistanis could keep this secret for more than a nanosecond,” a senior adviser to the President told me. At the end of the meeting, Obama instructed McRaven to proceed with planning the raid.

superman, rambo and clint must've been having a pretty slow week when the NYer decided to base its portrayal of obama on them.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:45 (thirteen years ago)

"I trust Obama not to use the powers he just signed into law (in spite of neverending evidence), and surely they will be repealed before a Mormon dog-roofer possesses them."

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:46 (thirteen years ago)

morbs, your goal-post shifting, unwillingness to engage with those engaging with you, obtuseness, etc is legendary but today's apparently a banner day.

Clay, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:50 (thirteen years ago)

o i c

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:50 (thirteen years ago)

oh idk, there's a lot about the BL raid that's nasty, and while i'm wearily jaded about its use politically, that's pretty nasty too.

goole, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:51 (thirteen years ago)

I am sure glad killing OBL at least put an end to all that airport security Terror Theatre, I'll give ya that!

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:52 (thirteen years ago)

t/f: extralegal black hits are bad but if anyone on earth deserved one it's osama bin laden

the trouble is the capability to do the thing doesn't exist in a vacuum; OBL might have been 'exceptional' as a person but the act of killing him turns out not to be

goole, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:53 (thirteen years ago)

tbh it said more about the state of things re: Pakistan/US than anything

mh, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:58 (thirteen years ago)

you know pre-9/11 i had an opportunity to work at lawrence livermore national lab on a naval oceanography environmental remediation project that was yanked because they didn't think it was worth the effort to try to get a security clearance for a nationalized citizen who was born in iran

where was the aclu on that day is what i wanna know

the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:59 (thirteen years ago)

uh...

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:59 (thirteen years ago)

true story! (joeks bruv)

the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 21:01 (thirteen years ago)

:(

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 21:02 (thirteen years ago)

oh man did i just kill the thread??

:-(

the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 21:18 (thirteen years ago)

nah

The fact is, OBL was in a sovereign nation that is nominally an ally, but an absolutely unreliable and often hostile one. That also meant that taking the legal path, by formally sharing info with the Pakistani government, obtaining its permission and planning a joint operation, with OBL taken into their custody until extradition could be arranged, was more or less a doomed option. Once legality is taken off the table, it is entirely off the table.

Aimless, Friday, 27 April 2012 21:19 (thirteen years ago)

My reaction to the whole thing is still kind of mouth-hanging-open awe in that it was "Hey, sorry Pakistan but we found Osama hiding in your country so we sent an elite kill squad in. Uh, what is up with him being in your country anyway? Kind of weird, hope you don't mind. Love, US"

mh, Friday, 27 April 2012 21:24 (thirteen years ago)

viva

am0n, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:19 (thirteen years ago)

Bin Laden is the new Titanic

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 19:57 (thirteen years ago)

Unless they somehow tagged the body or container with a locator beacon or something, no one is ever finding that.

mh, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:14 (thirteen years ago)

Brian Williams, on bended knee in the Situation Room.

http://www.salon.com/2012/05/03/nbc_news_top_hagiographer/

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:40 (thirteen years ago)

RIP

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:41 (thirteen years ago)

six months pass...

Conspiracy theorists just got a new tank of high-octane...

Newly released emails say no sailors watched bin Laden’s burial at sea after Navy SEAL raid

WASHINGTON — Internal emails among U.S. military officers indicate that no sailors watched Osama bin Laden’s burial at sea from the USS Carl Vinson and traditional Islamic procedures were followed during the ceremony.

The emails, obtained by The Associated Press through the Freedom of Information Act, are heavily blacked out, but are the first public disclosure of government information about the al-Qaida leader’s death. The emails were released Wednesday by the Defense Department.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 23 November 2012 20:46 (twelve years ago)

two months pass...

http://www.esquire.com/features/man-who-shot-osama-bin-laden-0313?click=pp

guy has no healthcare

goole, Monday, 11 February 2013 17:04 (twelve years ago)

isn't that against the law now

Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 11 February 2013 18:05 (twelve years ago)

read the memo, Shakey Mo.

Aimless, Monday, 11 February 2013 18:19 (twelve years ago)

I meant not having healthcare. somebody tax that guy!

Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 11 February 2013 18:31 (twelve years ago)

Government don't care shocker!

not_goodwin, Monday, 11 February 2013 18:32 (twelve years ago)

Government don't health care shocker!

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 February 2013 18:32 (twelve years ago)

shakey otm

manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 20:25 (twelve years ago)

Conspiracy thoughts: this guy sold his story to Hollywood (a breach of govt contract) and so the govt says "peace, good luck".

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 19:56 (twelve years ago)

eight years pass...

Happy almost anniversary.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/04/30/osama-bin-laden-death-white-house-oral-history-484793

10 years after the operation against Osama bin Laden, President @BarackObama and Admiral Bill McRaven sat down to reflect on the thousands of people who made that mission possible—and what that meant to the families of the victims of Sept. 11. pic.twitter.com/Mhy7cSDmpz

— The Obama Foundation (@ObamaFoundation) April 30, 2021

finally, something that will shut Trump up

maybe

― I've seen it in your eyes and I've read it in blogs (King Boy Pato), Sunday, May 1, 2011

Oh those starry-eyed days.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 April 2021 14:42 (four years ago)


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