non-Hughes '80s teen movies

st. elmos fire is no teen flick dude

hotel new hampshire? lol

Ooooh. I was all set to post 'Lucas just over Say Anything' but then I saw River's Edge

I hope somebody votes Hotel New Hampshire; that movie is just way too looney

BETTER OFF DEAD

i dont think ive seen a single one of these movies...

ha yeah apparently St. Elmo's Fire is a college movie? i was thrown off by it having a bunch of the same actors from The Breakfast Club the same year they all played high school students, i guess.

anyhow voted fast times over heathers (the bookends), many others i regard very fondly though revisiting even the ones i'm pretty sure are actually really good (eg risky business) pretty much always diminishes them in my eyes.

anyway i am voting Real Genius narrowly over Better Off Dead. i always feel like i should like Heathers and Fast Times as much as other people do but i've never really gotten into them.

st elmos is post college, it's "about" that, it's also about the most vile group of yuppies ever captured on film, whit stillman eat yr heart out.

real genius one of the very very few that held up for me

I love how The Last American Virgin takes a dark, sad turn. That NEVER happened in teen films then and definitely not now.

Say Anything over Gregory's Girl (show Bill Forsythe some love, bitches) and Real Genius. For lots of these movies "wretched" is too kind.

Fast Times, Rivers Edge and Heathers are all good fun, but I think I may vote for Valley Girl.

Say Anything in a walk, for me.

funnily enough this can also double as a 'best curtis armstrong movie' poll

michelle meyrink you are missed

tamtam southland tales ain't up there dude

no The Boy Who Could Fly, no cred.

its a college movie but you put it in the poll and im voting for it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3njjD41f48

Zapped! needed to be here

fast times probably but baby it's you and my bodyguard are good iirc

lol The Boy Who Could Fly, ain't seen or heard of that in a minute.

what the hell was the name of that movie, I think on Disney, about the kid that was a robot....

I need all six days to consider my vote very carefully. This is an important poll to me!

movies about college freshmen generally fit under the umbrella of teen movies imo, although obv i was sloppy with including one of the Revenge of the Nerds sequels in there

ahh I know which one it was, Not Quite Human!

one crazy summer is actually my preferred savage steve holland/cusack collab and i strongly considered voting for it

never really been into that one. love Cusack but the lols were fewer and far between than in the far superior Better Off Dead, imo.

Fewer in what?

Better off dead is pretty hard to beat.

baby it's you seems qualitatively different than the rest of these

lol The Boy Who Could Fly, ain't seen or heard of that in a minute.

Saw this in the theatre lol

One Crazy Summer is great...except for the Demi-as-aspiring-rockstar parts.

I would be kidding myself if I voted for anything other than say anything as my fav but there are some classics here.

my heart is breaking over the exclusion of The Legend of Billie Jean...but I guess it's not much of a comedy.

you know what could have been in this poll is pump up the volume. lol.

I was weirdly obsessed with dream a little dream when I was younger. It's an incredibly weird movie.

baby it's you seems qualitatively different than the rest of these

yeah, and gregory's girl

is that a coreys movie?

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TALK HARD

But neither is The Chocolate War or Less Than Zero or...

The Legend of Billie Jean should REALLY be here. xps to me

omg talk hard

Dream a Little Dream? Yeah, Coreys.

you know what could have been in this poll is pump up the volume. lol.

― horseshoe, Monday, June 20, 2011 10:51 PM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark

1990!

oh i didn't even see "80s" sorry!

Gleaming the Cube would've been eligible, tho.

Surprised pump up the volume was 1990 tbh

also yeah Legend of Billie Jean

FAIR IS FAIR

I loved gleaming the cube.

I was a slater fan.

so many gems here, kinda wanna go with the "underrated" canonical pick Last American Virgin.

Disney boy robot movie = The Computer War Tennis Shoes (Kurt Russell) probably?

things list is missing:
Over the Edge

bunch of stuff that doesn't qualify (Nerds, Stand by Me, St. Elmos)

my god Christian Slater's hair and nipples are awesome in Pump Up the Volume; he taught us that one could look smashing semi-nude while blasting Peter Murphy.

At scene was so hot

Errr that scene

Errr that scene

whither Samantha Mathis?

i have a coworker that continually casually drops meredith salenger's name into conversation, like it's a name i should just know (like it's melanie meyrink or joyce hyser or something), to the point that now it is a name i just know.

the last samantha mathis role i remember was in the american president. then i feel like she was in a tv movie about king arthur's court, but i did not catch that one.

she kind of annoyed me but maybe i was jealous cause she made out with all the cutest boys

fwiw there are quite a few dramas here and i was pretty deliberate about not saying "teen comedy"

i also thought of her as an anti-winona ryder type and i preferred winona. i don't know where i came up with that really.

She was on an episode of house where she and her husband were into rape fantasy role playing and then she poisoned him!

I can see it. xp

Oh yeah, I remember that House ep!

In Gleaming the Cube, Xian Sl8er devised an "ultimate revenge skateboard" which, instead of griptape, was surfaced with a chromed-out version of the textured pattern you often see on manhole covers.

baby it's you isn't just a drama, though, it also doesn't have that arch slangy teen genre thing. maybe i just think of it as different because john sayles.

fwiw there are quite a few dramas here and i was pretty deliberate about not saying "teen comedy"

Well then there's ZERO reason for you leaving out The Legend of Billie Jean.

other than that i've never heard of it and it was on no list of '80s teen movies i looked up, yeah, sorry

here you go johnny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8lJYN3FfC0

i've never seen the chocolate war and now i kind of want to. is it good?

^^^ my favorite Benatar

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haven't seen Baby It's You but is it any more of an outlier than Stand By Me?

it's just weirder, basically

We read the chocolate war in jr. high but I've never seen the movie.

yeah i loved that book

Yeah me too!

baby it's you is john sayles, stand by me is by the director of the sure thing

yeah pretty much

Hotel NH is the weird incesty Lowe/foster one, right?

This poll should be like five different polls.

missing from poll: A Night in the Life of Jimmy Reardon

Oh man rivver

River

I don't know if I ever actually saw that though.

i think i am going to vote better off dead

supposedly there's some directors cut of jimmy reardon where that movie's turns out to be a masterpiece, all i remember is ann magnuson seducing river phoenix.

just thinking about curtis armstrong laughing when the villain says "make sure you shave her before you kiss her goodnight" is making me laugh

I love him on top of the mountain.

omg @ License to Drive being on this list, lol. forgot about that one

I don't need a BMW dad, I already have a Mercedes.

Mercedes being heather Graham. Which weirded me out when I realized it ears later.

hundreds of miles of... pure snow. do you have any idea what the street value of this mountain is?

if it had come out a few years earlier, If Looks Could Kill could have made this list....and then you'd have some serious decisions to make

X post

YES

Linda Hunt with a bullwhip!

Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that.

ahahahahahahaha

"now kid, you look pretty stupid...."

Oh man, Some Girls--Andre Gregory is...Jennifer Connelly's dad!

Which reminds me of the missing and astonishingly quaint 1989 Patrick Dempsey-vehicle male-ho fantasy Loverboy.

This poll should be like five different polls.

Yeah, there's no way I could vote.

I love how quickly Dempsey went from nerd to 'Word!'

lotta fucked up shit going down in loverboy

Can't Buy Me Love was kinda creepy, but at least the movie seemed to recognize this judging by the jock's reaction at the end.

the Porky's sequels were like, even worse than scraping the bottom of the barrel....

Loverboy and A Night in the Life of Jimmy Reardon were both in early drafts of the list, think they got cut out when i was getting it down to 50 titles

second porkys is a little preachy iirc

BETTER OFF DEAD. but hard to choose between that, real genius, and one crazy summer.

am i goibg crazy or was weird science left off? (or is that hughes?? certainly not.)

i did theatre with a guy that played a preacher in the second Porky's. shame cuz he's a phenomenal talent but that's like the height of his screen acting experience

also missing from poll:

Hiding Out (post-Pretty in Pink Jon Cryer vehicle)
Three O'Clock High (Buddy Revel!)

Weird Science was Hughes

haha Hiding Out, i've actually seen that!

he blinded me with science. is my defense.

Lol

gonna listen to this while i make my final choice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0h8XqYI_ao

:)

hiding out gave us this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNQUhqFZ3h8

Dream a Little Dream 2 has been on Encore a lot this week. Mind-control sunglasses and the girl from Teen Witch. Still not as weird as the original.

better off dead times ∞

are teen witch and teen wolf not up there cuz al considers them horror movies?

OC AND STIGGS

goddamnit

St. Elmo's Fire should be on a list with About Last Night, Echo Park, and other people-in-their-twenties 80s movies.

I'll go One Crazy Summer.

Oh, wait! Gregory's Girl is on the list--that one.

is the sequel to gregory's girl any good? the jacket copy made it sound like a political thriller.

If we're going to call out our favorite songs from these movies, I have to post this one from Valley Girl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq1eqLZ0fNk&feature=fvwrel

better off dead is so good

just watched "The last American Virgin" while on tour having not seen it since I was a child and, whoah, that movie

the bleak ending is so ouchy

it's like one dumb gag and killer pop song after another and then, wham, someone punches you in the stomach

http://www.realmovienews.com/movieimages/5888/5934/5934_poster_0_f.jpg

My Tutor or Nerds in Paradise

xps Yeah, The Last American Virgin isn't one you put on for the lols...if you plan on staying around for the final act, anyway.

It's based on an Israeli film Eskimo Limon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo_Limon) and was directed by the same guy as the original. I've been meaning to see the original for a long time, but never have.

Eli Roth is a huge fan of it: http://blog.mrskin.com/blessed-virgin---533

I love how The Last American Virgin takes a dark, sad turn. That NEVER happened in teen films then and definitely not now.

― Alpaca Lips (Johnny Fever), Monday, June 20, 2011 7:34 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

yeah, it definitely left a mark. haven't seen it since '83 or so and remember very little else about it, but the ending is unforgettable. should watch it again to see whether or not it holds up.

liked a lot of these, though. esp: adventures in babysitting, better off dead, fast times, gregory's girl, heathers, real genius, risky business, river's edge, valley girl.

i have some love for Revenge of the Nerds and Can't Buy Me Love just because they were shot in Tucson, my home for a decade. Used to love Fast Times, Heathers, Stand By Me, and Better Off Dead but don't know if they hold up?

Risky Business is still ace

All of these are blown away by Val Kilmer, Secret Closet, Kent, lasers and big-ass popcorn

a half-dozen of these blow away the entire Hughes oeuvre, but Say Anything.

Hughes?

All of these are blown away by Val Kilmer, Secret Closet, Kent, lasers and big-ass popcorn

I am now feeling bad about neglecting Real Genius and One Crazy Summer. hmmmmm.

are teen witch and teen wolf not up there cuz al considers them horror movies?

― balls, Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:05 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

nah they were filed away under the 'high concept' exception along with Back To The Future, Bill & Ted, etc.

HEATHERS

what is meant by non-Hughes?

Non-John Hughes so no brat pack Molly Ringwald Vehicles a la The Breakfast Club or Pretty in Pink.

Heathers is good too.

Damn this poll.

I don't know though because, well, LOYD DOBBLER.

yeah i have no idea how the results will go but if i had to guess it'll be a showdown between Heathers and Say Anything, maybe competition from Fast Times and Real Genius

I feel like 1/2 the people responding are reaping for better off dead!

for the record these are the teen movies directed and/or written by John Hughes excluded from the poll: Sixteen Candles, The Breakfast Club, Weird Science, Pretty In Pink, Ferris Bueller's Day Off, and Some Kind of Wonderful (Uncle Buck and the Vacation movies have teen characters but everyone knows they're not teen movies)

Went for Heathers mself. Never got the Say Anything love and I'm a Cusack fan. Maybe I need to give it anohther go.

I recently listed Fast Times as one of my 50 favourite films on a countdown I'm doing with some friends. It's so amazingly good, above and beyond Spicoli. There are moments that are good enough for Truffaut (or whoever your favourite Truffaut-like director is): Jennifer Jason Leigh being met by her brother after sneaking off to the abortion clinic, Ratner's little speech to Damone before they have at it in the locker room, Leigh's "You're so nice" to the Ratner character at the hospital. I seem to recall some scene with Phoebe Cates by a pool, too.

I liked The Wild Life at the time, but I'm not sure if that would hold up.

no The Boy Who Could Fly, no cred.

― Alpaca Lips (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:37 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark

REAL TALK

Kind of gutted that House Party is 1990 so I can't moan about its absence.

Voted Heathers, though was tempted by Adventures in Babysitting aka A Night on the Town.

Don't fuck with the Lords of He'll, don't fuck with the babysitter.

Errr hell

St. Elmo's Fire is definitely the worst on the list, I wanted everyone in that movie to die a slow painful miserable death. Rob Lowe's mullet is the only good thing about it.

lol I am firmly in the It's So Bad it's Amazing camp on SEF but would never actually consider it as a real answer for this poll. St. Elmo's Fire: Classic or BETTER THAN CLASSIC?

cant buy me love

actually this is a great poll, so many great movies.

I have probably seen Can't Buy me Love more than any of these movies. I feel like it was ALWAYS on TV when I was little. If you ever do make it to a Boston FAP and you buy me enough drinks I may even do the African Anteater Ritual for you.

Oh wait - Can't Buy me Love is on here? Well, shit.

"You threw SHIT at my HOUSE!" K-classic.

CHARLES KABANGI!

BTW we've all watched Patrick Dempsey age but Courtney Gains looks like this now:

http://www.gazillionmovies.com/Actor/C/Co/Pictures/courtney-gains.jpg

If you managed to catch Corey Feldman on Larry King last night, you heard Feldman announce the news that at the time of Corey Haim's death, the two friends were working on a follow-up to the 1988 teen comedy License to Drive. According to Feldman, they had just met up about the sequel, License to Fly, and planned on turning it into a possible trilogy with a third film called License to Dive. Both men were going to be heavily involved in all facets of production; from producing to writing to co-starring together for the first time in years.

http://blog.moviefone.com/2010/03/11/haim-and-feldman-were-working-on-license-to-drive-trilogy/

actually it was "you shit on my house."

Oh my god I can't believe that didn't happen!

"You threw SHIT at my HOUSE!" K-classic.

― Shart Shaped Box (Phil D.), Tuesday, June 21, 2011 9:31 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

Holy LOLs I totally forgot about that but I can actually hear him saying that line. Oh man - I want to watch it now.

Courtney Gains! Feel like The Burbs (also staring Corey Fedlman - see - bring this all full circle) was the last thing I saw him in.

x-post - OMG I think it was just "you shit on my house".

I totally wanted to ride on the back of Ronnies lawnmower by the end of that movie.

Not a euphemism.

lol @ license to dive

I want a double feature of Can't Buy me Love and Loverboy right now dammit!

For Keeps

"I'm pregnant, can you pass the turnips!"

I have also seen that way too many times.

the ronnie express. i also love Quentin "QUENTIN IS HERE LET THE FUN BEGIN!!!"

is she's having a baby a hughes flick?

But it's OK because I learned a couple valuable lessons from it. a) Teenage Pregnancy - don't do it. b) Never call a penis "cute".

x-post - Yes, it is.

where is Karate Kid and Meatballs on this list?

i wish i could vote for most of these.

and goonies? what the fuck.

most of these movies had me falling in love with the female characters as a fat teen.

Both "Heathers and "Valley Girl" were formative for me, but I would have to go with "Valley Girl," for it's mix of cheesiness and pathos.

"Less Than Zero" seems like a different order of film than these others, and I hate to vote against Robert Downey Jr. so I'm just going to pretend that it's not on this list.

"Little Foxes" deeply confused me as to what one might expect from summer camp.

Foxes is a different (and much less fun) movie than Little Darlings

See I fell in love with the VG sndtrk way before I ever saw the movie. When I finally got around to seeing it I was probably 18 or so and I guess it just didn't have a big impact on me in the way some of the others did.

and goonies? what the fuck.

are there teenagers in goonies? movie is terrible anyway.

I guess Over the Edge is '79 so that explains why it didn't show up here but... damn, that movie. "a kid who tells on another kid is a dead kid", debut of Matt Dillon etc

Standy By Me>Better Off Dead> River's Edge>Real Genius>Outsiders>Heathers>Fast Times. The rest are meh.

also fwiw this is one of my favorite genres ever

no Lost Boys huh

Stand By Me is really not that good, also no teenagers

like, aren't they all 12

yeah

weird thing about Stand By Me: NO GIRLS. like, not a single one. I think Gordie's mom gets one scene and no dialogue.

but it is good!

Goonies defintely had teenagers but I wouldn't really consider it a "teen movie".

i can't really defend Stand By Me other than to say that there's something about kids striking out into the wilderness w/o parents that sedates me every time i watch it. also, we named my 1st cat Ace after Kiefer's character and he was super awesome but then they found he had a heart murmur so they decided to put him to sleep after me only having him for 2 weeks AND THEN MY MOM CALLS TO SAY OH I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP HIM EVEN THOUGH HE HAS A MURMUR...OH WAIT THE VET SAYS HE'S DEAD ALREADY.

Surprised at the lack of love for Risky Business - "I don't believe this! I've got a trig midterm tomorrow, and I'm being chased by Guido the killer pimp."

cue Shakey saying my cat Ace was a scumbag

I didn't see Risky in there, yes it's awesome

Guido? you mean that manager guy?

I watched Risky Business for the first time a couple years ago and was pleasantly surprised tbh.

It's a quote from the movie xpost

andy, martha plimptons character, josh brolin, troy....there are teens in goonies.

Unfortunately RB invented the soft-lit sex scene scored to Tangerine Dream. It also invented Tom Cruise having soft-lit sex.

And now i remember yours was a quote too. D'oh

Stand By Me is really not that good, also no teenagers

― lots of janitors have something to say (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:31 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

like, aren't they all 12

― lots of janitors have something to say (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:31 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah sorry i was like "Stand By Me wasn't really about teenagers was it?" and then i looked up the ages of the cast at the time. that's probably the only poll inclusion/exclusion decision i actually regreat.

tbf I REALLY loved Stand By Me when I was the same age as the characters, and it does capture that sort of weird boys'-gang atmosphere really well. and the pie eating contest bit is awesome. I also like that the story includes how they all drifted apart after that summer (altho the bookending thing with River's character being martyred is sorta hamhanded/stupid). but when I re-watched it a couple years ago I was struck by how flimsy the basic story is, and it has some pretty basic story-telling/narrative problems imo.

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I don't know if I really consider "Less Than Zero" to be a teen movie.

OTOH it's totally a teen soundtrack!

also why no "Footloose"?

like, what is the big deal about seeing a dead body, and why does it need to be a secret at all anyway, and why do the teenagers care that the boys are getting there first etc

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Less Than Zero is hilariously bad. Spader's in top form in it. also the RDJ-as-male-whore angle. and lots of people have sex with their clothes on.

it was the 50s.

Watched Less Than Zero a couple months ago. It's pretty awful. I'd also forgotten how different it is from the book.

Roger Ebert's four-star review persuaded me to rent it in the late nineties. Boy, was he wrong.

the entire movie should have been about the inner life of the barforama kid

that was an xpost but it could go.for ltz too

there's some sequence where Spader and McCarthy have a fight at an art gallery and there's some sort of TV sculpture/video that gets smashed iirc...? lol 80s

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I read both Less Than Zero and Bright Lights, Big City circa 1987; it was shortly after that that I stopped reading non-fantasy/science fiction/horror altogether. (Coincidence?)

Meatballs was '79 and it seemed pointless to include just its '80s sequels.

i stand by my exclusion of Goonies and Karate Kid -- combination of action taking place outside school and prominent screentime of adult characters just makes neither a 'teen movie.' Lost Boys is probably more teen movie than teen horror but i had a zero tolerance rule w/ horror flicks just for the sake of easy categorization.

tbh i forgot about Foxes because i always confuse it with Little Darlings

I'm trying to think of a mainstream movie that's predates LTZ that prominently features gay hustling... is there one? (Cruising, I guess?)

wow meatballs was 79. shit.

Foxes is really strange ... it's all about how closeted lesbian Jodie Foster just wants to save Cherie Curie from her decadent life of drugs+sex+rock n roll

like, what is the big deal about seeing a dead body, and why does it need to be a secret at all anyway, and why do the teenagers care that the boys are getting there first etc

cause that's how kids think?

btw Zapped! is sorely missing from this list as noted upthread. features Scatman Crothers getting high and hallucinating that he's chasing Albert Einstein on a bicycle

"Less Than Zero" is classic, have you people no taste?

"Little Darlings," sorry . . . Kristy McNichol is so adorable.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SlkFnBR8oTE/TDaRm2tXyOI/AAAAAAAAAWk/ZSpc-X5HalA/s400/McNichol.jpg

i need to spend a weekend watching all of these again.

Zapped had the first tit scene i ever saw as a kid. I also remember setting my alarm so i could wake up at 2am and watch risky business.

It's classic but it's completely awful.

I've never seen Little Darlings. I think it was a little too before my time. I mean these all were but I think that was even earlier than the rest.

cause that's how kids think?

lol yeah I dunno... for some reason my memory of the film had added a bunch of other motivating factors (like the older kids were involved in the kids' death somehow, or the dead kid was one of their missing friends or something) and then when I re-watched it I realized I had just made that up and there's really no explanation given. it's just taken as a given that some kids heard about a dead body so of course they a) want to keep it a secret and b) HAVE TO SEE IT. even though neither of those things really make any sense.

i also remember watching the finding of the brower kid scene through my fingers, i did not like scary as a kid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2_LJ7rtlEo

lol Chris, the first tit scene I saw as a kid was... "Massacre at Central High"

thank you, older cousins

any movie where a teenager smokes radioactive weed that gives him super-powers is gonna get a pass from me

a)they wanted to get on the news for discovering it
b) IT'S A DEAD BODY. plus blah blah john cusack died and wil wheaton hasn't processed it fully yet.

lol - Massacre at Central High is a pretty dark movie! def. classic

a)they wanted to get on the news for discovering it

but... they don't tell anybody!

were there boobs in conan? it was probably conan.

wow meatballs was 79. shit.

A friend and I were at a Toronto rep screening in the early '80s (pretty sure it was Mean Streets), and we spotted Kate Lynch, Bill Murray's love interest in Meatballs, in the lobby. I knew the film by heart--I liked it, and it played our local theatre when I was an usher there. So I went up to her and quoted one of Murray's intentionally over-the-top lines. I believe she thought I was insane.

Is it fair to say that your age is everything in this poll? The '80s were my 20s; I only saw seven or eight of these.

the Porky's movies are super underrated IMO

they are terrible, but they are also genuinely funny (although part of why I find them so funny is that when my dad discovered I had bootleg copies of them he had a stern conversation with me about how the 50s weren't Really Like That, as if I thought it was a documentary not an easy way to see lots of boobs bookended by easy jokes)

if you were born between 1970 and 1980 i'd say you have a lot more time for these films than most other people, yes.

candidates for a runoff poll mentioned itt so far: A Night in the Life of Jimmy Reardon, The Boy Who Could Fly, Footloose, Foxes, Goonies, Hiding Out, Karate Kid, The Legend of Billie Jean, Lost Boys, Loverboy, O.C. And Stiggs, Over The Edge, Three O'Clock High, Zapped!

do people think Back To The Future or Hairspray or Peggy Sue Got Married or WarGames were unfairly excluded too?

haha oh wait the first movie boobs i ever saw were in "stripes"

i think '80s teen movies are still pretty canon even for people like me who were teens in the '90s, a decade that saw a pretty long drought (Clueless aside) of teen movies until 1999 (the year of American Pie, She's All That, etc.).

Yeah, exactly.

also i think the spread of pay cable allowed eight year olds to see many films they would have bern prohibited from seeing a generation earlier.

i mean i saw many of these IN the 80s and i didnt turn 12 until 1990

Yeah - I think we're the same age. I definitely saw a bunch of them in the 80s but I'd say I saw the bulk of them in the 90s. I think my parents were pretty strict with what I watched on TV until i hit like jr high.

also vhs but unfortunately my mom had a "fast forward" position on boobs

and yet exploding heads were a-ok.

Love Stripes. The Aunt Jemima treatment.

do people think Back To The Future or Hairspray or Peggy Sue Got Married or WarGames were unfairly excluded too?

Back to the Future I can kind of see including - it is definitely teen-centric - but there's so many other goofy things going on, I dunno. Hairspray gives as much time to the adults as the kids. Peggy Sue Got Married is AWESOME (still probably my favorite Nic Cage performance, he has the hair, he has the teeth etc). Wargames is more like a spy thriller that happens to feature a teenager.

Oh btw first boobs I saw on film were on Claudia the German girl Rusty hooks up with in European Vacation iirc. They're the first I remember seeing anyway.

main problem with including Peggy Sue is that all the actors are way too old, I suppose

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Can I just...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1UGjjkJTwQ

some dude, I don't know what list you were looking at, but it was a dumb list.

I have no idea what the first on-screen boobs I ever saw were... probably Porkys. funny how BOOBS was such a necessity/guiding principle for so many films

what about something like "Brighton Beach Memoirs"?

isn't he like 10 in that...? I don't remember it very well

he's almost 15!

and yet exploding heads were a-ok.

― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:11 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

lol my dad showed me Scanners when i was like 8 or something. he also showed me and my brother Rocky Horror Picture Show and a host of other movies at a young enough age to probably permanently scar and/or pervert us.

Can I just...

http://www.youtube.com/v/E1UGjjkJTwQ&fs=1&hl=en

some dude, I don't know what list you were looking at, but it was a dumb list.

― Alpaca Lips (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:13 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

hey man give it a rest! i already said i drew from several lists (of which NONE of them listed this movie) and i'd never heard it. don't blame me, blame society. it's not like you were gonna vote for it anyway, be real.

haha i remember my dad letting us see silence of the lambs when it came out on video (i was probably 13, my sister 11). a few weeks later my mom and step dad rent it, i'm upstairs in bed, and about 1.5 hours in i hear "MOTHERFUCKER" from my mom. deduction leads me to believe this was during the buffalo bill tucks his sack scene.

it's not like you were gonna vote for it anyway, be real.

I really would have. In its place, I went with The Last American Virgin.

It's a shame The Legend of Billie Jean has never made it to dvd—music licensing issues is the claim—its rep is disappearing altogether because of it.

as I understand it, she was not Michael Jackson's lover; she's just a girl who said that he was the one (but the kid was not his son)

it's not without its pleasures, but it's a mess of a movie. the scene where yeardley smith gets her first period is lol. also the rich kid whose mansion they crash.

it is very proto-Thelma & Louise tho

wait we're defending The Legend of Billie Jean? Is it any good?

It's great! Ugh, why do I even bother.

I don't think it's great, but it is worth watching

I'm trying to think of a mainstream movie that's predates LTZ that prominently features gay hustling... is there one? (Cruising, I guess?

Midnight Cowboy? It won Best Picture and everything.

gay hustling not as prominent in Midnight Cowboy as most people tend to think/remember. Voight spends a grand total of ONE scene being propositioned by a guy in a bathroom that looks like Tom Hulce and iirc he turns him down and freaks out. which is a far cry from RDJ giving an on-screen bj while naked in return for coke.

er wait no the guy who propositions him is Bobby Balaban...?! can't remember

Voight also gets head in a movie theatre.

re: Billie Jean

The Joan of Arc nods are kind of heavy-handed (even thought so when I was younger) but aside from that it's a good rebellion tale starring a young, hot Helen Slater and one of Pat Benatar's best singles.

Plus Yeardly Smith, Christian Slater, Dean Stockwell, and Peter Coyote.

FAIR IS FAIR YALL

is that the Balaban scene? I haven't seen it in like 10 years.

xp

but yeah fair point Midnight Cowboy yeah. LTZ maybe just more blatant about it.

being propositioned by a guy in a bathroom that looks like Tom Hulce

all bathrooms look like Tom Hulce to me tho

In LTZ the novel the bisexuality is fairly explicit - and fairly unconvincing, like lots of Ellis.

gay hustling not as prominent in Midnight Cowboy as most people tend to think/remember. Voight spends a grand total of ONE scene being propositioned

You're not counting the John McGiver or Barnard Hughes scenes.

i think just one of the guys was my second tit flick.

stripes even had bush.

I think the first movie I ever saw boobs in was Kramer v. Kramer. Woohoo.

BTW they were Dustin Hoffman's boobs.

IIRC, in LTZ the book there is a fairly graphic paragraph detailing how difficult it is when dried-up semen sticks your tongue to the roof of your mouth

One Crazy Summer is on TV right now...Joe Flaherty's speech is so classic

Joe Flaherty is classic.

Got The Last American Virgin off netflix. Egads, that "I Will Follow" sequence...

Less Than Zero could've been a great 80s black-and-white movie, a la Stranger Than Paradise and Chan is Missing, but glossy.

Speaking of firsts, was there a scene somewhere where Tom Selleck dropped his pants to reveal male frontal nudity, maybe in 9-5 or something? That really traumatized me.

did it have its own mustache?

Probably. I tried to block it out. The memory, not the mustache.

uh Tom Selleck is not in 9-to-5

his penis is, tho (credited as "Dabney Coleman")

Apparently Selleck goes full frontal in "An Innocent Man" (89) but that's a bit late for me to have been traumatized. Maybe it was just some random mustachioed man who ruined my childhood.

Hot Dog: The Movie
Private Lessons
Midnight Madness

Voted Fast Times.

By the way, watched "My Bodyguard" for the first time in many decades last weekend and detected a homoerotic subtext I hadn't noticed back when I was the film's target audience. Anyone else notice this or am I just getting gayer as I age?

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

never saw these results!

why would anyone vote for Risky Business, honestly, idgi

^^^Bob Seger is a lurker.

http://the-toast.net/2014/09/30/sexual-racial-politics-nerd-culture-dialogue/

Interesting--and, to my memory, spot on--observations on Revenge of the Nerds. I doubt that there is anything that they're talking about here that was at all out of sync with the sexual politics of the time (Animal House, RotN's own "urtext," contains a similarly rapey gag, remember), but as this film seems to enjoy a better reputation than the most of the others listed in this thread, probably worth minding nonetheless.

i have never seen this movie and literally the only thing i know about it is rape. it's because i've read thinkpieces, obv, but i could prob have just deduced it from the title.

The Last American Virgin is out on blu-ray May 26. Budget accordingly.

^^That one got a Criterion-style release on blu from Arrow in the UK.

Class 1

I was curious enough about this film--having caught pieces on it cable as a kid--to pay $1 for a VHS copy at Goodwill some time ago, and now having finally watched it I'm not sure how there even exists one person in the world who thinks that Class is superior to Say Anything, Heathers, My Bodyguard or even Fast Times at Ridgemont High, but it is not unwatchable. It actually flirts with sympathy for the Jacqueline Bisset character, though in the end her character remains underwritten to the point I actually got angry with the film for diverting scenes that could be devoted to fleshing out her character in favour dumb slapstick, teenage stoner antics and a boring test-cheating subplot. It's not a good movie, but there are moments where it feels like it is striving towards being a good one, and that's more than can be said for many of its contemporaries--or the still inexplicably overrated American Pie, for that matter.