The clusterfuck that is the Casey Anthony trial

Worst defense team ever? A story that makes little sense about Caylee 'drowning' and the dad/Casey covering it up?

Allegations of sexual abuse that are contradicted by testimony, not proven by the defense, and pit family against each other?

This is a circus!

What the hell is this all about.

is this the tot mom trial?

do not give fuck

shakey mo, i'm surprised at you!

why would I care about this

stupid white people do evil shit every day, who cares

but a little white girl died!

mostly because you're not usually this quick to rush to judgment and issue blanket dismissals about the worth of humanity

I find the nation-condemns-white-trash-parenting media cycle to be tedious, sanctimonious, and unhelpful

tell me more

are I Killed Caylee t shirts a thing because I've seen a few

What possesses someone to wear a shirt like that?

Nancy Grace

lol

Jose Baez is a boring windbag and a bad lawyer. Just sayin'.

Not guilty on most counts, including the very important ones!!!

WUT?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM TOT MOM

TOT MOM

I hope Casey Anthony finds the real killer.

wow

I just want to see Nancy Grace have a breakdown over this, I don't think this is too much to ask.

SOMEBODY POST THE "YOU ARE NOT THE FATHER" GIF

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmyknhfH0y1qbipv3o1_500.gif

http://imnotjaded.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/maury.gif

holy shit, twist ending

This is p nuts though. I pretty much assumed she was going to be convicted.

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmlev5mVS01qbipv3o1_500.gif

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l7uluz1TKw1qbipv3o1_500.gif

she will be dating jon gosselin by labor day

lmao nicole

THANK U ENBB

Frankie Muniz
I called that she would be found not guilty weeks ago... everyone said I was wrong...

lol

He is the sage of our times.

Good old Frankie M.

NP Jordan :)

Nikki Sixx
I am ashamed and shocked that our legal system failed us and found Casey Anthony not guilty for killing her daughter or any other charges.

http://www.askfrankiemuniz.com/

opportunity only knocks once, y'all

also lol @ Nikki Sixx, she was found guilty of providing false information to the police

local comedian I'm friends with on FB

L@mont Price: This bitch got off! She didn't report her daughter missing for a WHOLE MONTH!!! I know niggas that got YEARS for weed! I'm not kidding even a little bit! .............................................

He raises a p good point.

lol @ Nikki Sixx regardless

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Roseanne Barr
I AM GOING ABSOLUTELY NUTS WITH STRESS AND WORRY BITING MY NAILS--SHAKING--OVER THIS WHOLE THING!

lol @ Nikki Sixx regardless

cannot be overstated IMO

someone said "JIGGA, CASEY NOT GUILTY" on twitter

I LOL'd HARD

ugh @ all this. i honestly don't care at all about this case or the verdict, but people's reactions are super obnoxious and upsetting right now.

SHOW'S OVER, MOVE ALONG PLEASE.

you have to admit that "JIGGA, CASEY NOT GUILY" is something to be cherished tho

people's reactions are super obnoxious and upsetting right now

Moved up to #1 on my list of reasons not to log into Facebook today.

FTW.

I love how they are always GUILTY just because they were charged with a crime. We live in an idiot society run by idiots. I actually watched much of the thing - please grow up there was not enough evidence there to convict her.

Saw a similar response to that Kim Kardashian tweet.

@EliBraden ME TOO!! ITS LIKE WHEN YOUR DAD HELPED GET O.J. OFF!! RT @KimKardashian: WHAT!!??!! CASEY ANTHONY NOT GUILTY!!!! I'm speechless!!!

holy lol

Wow, people have no class at all. Like, it is her dad's job to "get OJ off" you poorly educated MORON. If high profile defendants have a chance, so do the poor or minorities.

facebook is so much fun today

hahaha roseanne has been FLIPPING OUT about this trial for weeks now, she must be going nuts rn

Ms. Kardashian is not quite going off the internet because of you but even so.

Like, it is her dad's job to "get OJ off" you poorly educated MORON

Uh, no.

that is a job I never want

Wow, people have no class at all. Like, it is her dad's job to "get OJ off" you poorly educated MORON. If high profile defendants have a chance, so do the poor or minorities.

So peanutfreemom.

oh man I think Mount Cleaners just injected a whole new level of fun into this thread

kim kardashian gets me off amirite

you people sicken me

(._.)

just kidding!

lol

Person in crowd outside the courthouse being interviewed on msnbc:

"She is a baby killer. And there's a god up above who...she'll be killed. I don't know by who, but..."
"Did you want to see her get the death sentence, ma'am?"
"No, I did not."

hahahaha

a true voice of the people

http://i.imgur.com/LH6Jy.jpg

omg lollll

Entenmanns ftw

Could really go for some Entenmanns right about now.

otm

I'm #notguilty of a desire for a tasty treat.

Seriously what is with comedians and this trial? Rainn Wilson, Mindy Kaling, and Kristen Schaal are all going off about this on twitter.

its a hueg story on the part of the internet ilx doesnt read, apparently

i had never heard of this trial or person until 1 minute ago

srsly tho what is the fuckin deal here, why does everybody "know" she is guilty

http://radioamber.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Nancy-Grace-Gives-Birth-to-Twins2.jpg

^^^GUILTY

OF BEING A HORRIBLE HUMAN BEING

Scratch Rainn Wilson re: "going off", he just tweeted one joke about her being available for babysitting gigs that twisted some panties. I've not really delved into the story so far, but every person I've talked to irl about it is 100% convinced she is guilty.

she didnt report her daughter missing for 1 month iirc

I've not really delved into the story so far, but every person I've talked to irl about it is 100% convinced she is guilty.

how many of these people were on the jury

i heard about this trial constantly for what seemed like forever but then again i live in dogpatch and we need something to fill our empty lives between sadie hawkins dances

man I loved the sadie hawkins dance I got mad french kissing at that one

we also tip cows, depending on the moon

how many of these people were on the jury

twelve, iirc

srsly tho what is the fuckin deal here, why does everybody "know" she is guilty

because a little white girl died

someone must pay

i'm reading about it now on wiki. the guy who found the "suspicious package" in the woods near the mom's house in august is the craziest part. the police didn't check it out until december!

america itself will pay, when it looks into its own cold heart

because a little white girl died

Okay normally I'm with you on the obscene amount of media attention placed on cute little white girls in danger, but in this case that is incredibly reductive.

guilty or not guilty, being in jail for almost three years without being convicted of anything...so crazy.

Meanwhile we have a trial going on in Cleveland of an actual honest to goodness serial killer who killed at least 11 women, probably more, and there is approximately no national news coverage of it at all.

Did I mention that everyone involved in that case is black, or should it go without saying?

goes without saying

jon, i was being glib. did that not come across? yeesh.

^^^

My understanding was that this case got so much attention because of batshit Nancy Grace.

(^^^ was to Shakey Mo)

haven't really been following this. deal is we can kill babies now?

if you use partying as an excuse, i think so

only if you can feel #notguilty about it.

and eat some pound cake while doing it.

I'm with gbx, I had never heard of any of this until today.

And only today because of the OUTRAGE on twitter, it finally registered with me.

Nancy Grace really needs to stop

Nancy Grace really needs to stopbe shot out of a cannon into a steaming pile of shit

fized

fixed even

is the cannon really necessary? it seems kind of expensive whereas i'm sure you could produce the shit with little cost.

also that would be cannon abuse

just making a larger pile

http://i54.tinypic.com/23ve0yr.png

Quality trolling.

srsly tho what is the fuckin deal here, why does everybody "know" she is guilty

― love in a grain elevator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, July 5, 2011 1:58 PM (36 minutes ago)

She didn't report her kid missing until the authorities were involved by concerned relatives, as mentioned above, about a month after the fact. She then proceeded to manufacture intricate lies about 95% of her life (job, friends, boyfriend, nanny, residence) to her parents and the cops. She basically could not tell the truth about anything.

The part I think the public is hung up on is that around the time her kid died, she began going out clubbing, taking vacations and getting ridiculously lame tattoos... certainly not signs of grief and perhaps signifying newly found freedom. I think around the time her kid died she deleted every picture of her kid from her myspace/facebook too.

And so apparently Kim K deleted a few things.

lol, well, at least afaik Sharon is just a career killer

The following diary entry by Casey Anthony is dated "June 21" and reads:

I have no regrets, just a bit worried. I just want for everything to work out OK. I completely trust my own judgment and know that I made the right decision. I just hope that the end justifies the means. I just want to know what the future will hold for me. I guess I will soon see – This is the happiest that I have been in a very long time. I hope that my happiness will continue to grow– I've made new friends that I really like. I've surrounded myself with good people – I am finally happy. Let's just hope that it doesn't change.[58]

reading the wikipedia article on this is really bumming me out :(

all I want to know is why she's called the 'tot mom'

Her daughter was a potato

invented the tater tot iirc

its realy sad she was a potato

all I want to know is why she's called the 'tot mom'

Nancy Grace has called her that for the last five years running, just tabloidese I guess

all of you who never heard about this I envy you for the small amount of crappy cable tv you must be watching

What a tragedy for Ore-Ida.

srsly tho what is the fuckin deal here, why does everybody "know" she is guilty

― love in a grain elevator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, July 5, 2011 4:58 PM

due to the "evidence" presented in the "trial"

Resulting in stuff like:

Several cars cruised slowly outside the Anthony home, some stopping briefly so occupants could snap photos of the residence.

Ashley Chaney, who flew in from Fort Wayne, Ind., specifically for the trial, was unable to get seats in the courtroom for today, so she and her father decided to go to the Anthony home.

"I wanted to come and see the home to say that I had been here," she said, adding that she was upset by the verdict.

much dispute about whether that june 21 diary entry is from 2008 or 2003. iirc, the facing diary page had "03" handwritten on it.

she was the mom of a tot

ergo tot mom

lol @ pretty much every single reaction to this whole trial though

the part that convinced me was all the google searches on her computer for "chloroform" and "how to break a neck"

(that her mom then claimed to be hers)

Just your everyday google research, nothing to see here.

aw c'mon who hasn't googled those

xp

mom had tot, was tot mom. made tot die. tot mom not tell, tot mom get tat. tot mom's mom tell. bad dad touch tot mom?

much dispute about whether that june 21 diary entry is from 2008 or 2003. iirc, the facing diary page had "03" handwritten on it.

― Daniel, Esq

^^^ Jose Baez

What's on Casey Anthony's iPod, I wonder...

tit for tot

much dispute about whether that june 21 diary entry is from 2008 or 2003. iirc, the facing diary page had "03" handwritten on it.

according to the wiki it was later established that the particular type of diary was not on the market in 2003?

the part that convinced me was all the evidence of human decomposition in her trunk.

the part that convinced me was Nancy Grace's evil skeletor skull jabbering about it for 5 years

i thought it said there wasnt any evidence in the trunk?

Investigators found no trace of DNA or solid signs of chloroform or decomposition inside the trunk of Ms. Anthony’s car, where prosecutors said Ms. Anthony stashed Caylee before disposing of her body.

i heard there was a facebook group "Casey Anthony is Guilty". thats what convinced me

like how can u even explain that away

http://www.caseyisguilty.com/

Heard some mom talking about this at the pool. This may be the first high profile child murder case (right?) I've been 100% totally unaware of, which leads me to believe it's been exclusively cable TV driven. I don't have cab;e.

how did the jury overlook this smdh:

http://www.caseyisguilty.com/caylee.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MH0ef.jpg

this is one of those cases where the terribly incriminating circumstantial evidence didn't add up to a conviction. is it illegal to google "neckbreaking" and "choloroform"? no. is it illegal to have a car trunk smelling like rotting death? no. is it illegal to party and get tats while your daughter is missing? no. is it illegal to not report your daughter missing for 30 days? well maybe that one is... my daughter went missing for 10 minutes at an amusement park and we called security while my wife lost it.

idk if i can speculate wildly for a second here, i think the part of the mass intrigue and to some degree the certitude in the public opinion that she killed her kid is based on some buried, guilty identification with lol tot mom. FULL DISCLOSURE i'm not a parent but i don't think it's at all uncommon for parents to resent their kids, especially young kids, for being so all-consuming of their lives; or to miss the freedom you had before the kid came along; or to wonder about how your life would be different if the kid was not in the picture.

don't get me wrong, obviously there is a long dark path and possibly a psychiatric disorder between those feelings and actually doing away with your own kid. personally, i think she's probably guilty, but thankfully that judgement was not mine to render.

i'm sure my mom was mad she had to miss that prince concert because i had a cold but she also didn't stuff me in a pillow case and throw me in a river on the off-chance he was gonna play "controversy."

he did and your mom has regretted it ever since

I think the media attention is largely due to the conservative end of American society's need to have someone being made an example of in an age of insecurity over single-parent households and women in positions of responsibility (and partyin' kids)

white people be judgin

hell I'VE regretted it ever since

also Law & Order: SVU episodes

and who better to lead the way in this march than Nancy Grace?

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lol strongo

i remember when the susan smith thing went down we were all watching the news one night after dinner and my mom goes "in another world, that could have been me" and there was the most awful kubrickian silence before she finally laughed.

needless to say i sleep with the door locked whenever i visit her now.

who the hell would google "neckbreaking"? esp when you're attempting to break the neck of a small child. seems like it would be pretty self explanatory imo

sittin' in back seat
kickin' in the front seat
why are the doors locked
shit is that a laaaaaaake?

My wife and I took my elder daughter to see Prince when she was in utero, and there are still days I want to kill her. Though of course, not literally.=important distinction.

Kim's moved on

Ned, do you follow Kourtney and Khloe too?

mom had tot, was tot mom. made tot die. tot mom not tell, tot mom get tat. tot mom's mom tell. bad dad touch tot mom?

― del griffith, Tuesday, July 5, 2011 6:18 PM Bookmark

TATTLER TELLS TALE TO TIMES: "TOT MOM TATTED TITS WHILE TOT ROTTED"

^^^winner

this thread really shouldn't be so funny

Ned, do you follow Kourtney and Khloe too?

I leave that to friends who do and are compelled to RT.

wau that's cold, DB isn't even here to defend himself

the kardashians are actually a klf-style art prank ned has been perpetrating on us for the last half-decade or so

Success!

he would have gotten away with too, if not for casey anthony killing a kid and "kim" overstepping herself on twitter

See that was better than the Scooby joke I was going to do, so.

the only person i'm connected to via facebook who cares about this is... my sister in law. ha/ugh

my wife's status update "where's dexter when you need him"

cant stop lolling -- watching this video of nancy grace saying "somewhere ... the devil is dancing ...." while i'm listening to "before i let go" by frankie beverly & maze underneath it

mashup!

"before i let go" by frankie beverly & maze

all fucking time

So many guilty lols at DJP's Susan Smith lyrics.

Eli Braden strikes again

@elibraden I think you stole the baseline from 'Under Pressure'. RT @vanillaice: OMG! Casey Anthony verdict NOT GUILTY!! WOW!! What do U think???????

Just read about this from The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/05/casey-anthony-verdict-not-guilty-murder) and I'm not sure I understand: she was guilty of driving around with the dead body in the car, but nothing else?

first heard about this case Sunday when I went to visit a friend and the mother-in-law started talking about it

am trying to think of a die tot-en hosen pun here in order to keep up with the news

out of curiosity, i'm actually watching nancy grace right now. angry people who all decided she's guilty anyway and the screen with big headlines "OUTRAGE" over it. these people are insane. how does cnn allow this program to go on the air?

lol nancy grace is on @ our house as well. some guest just predicted that casey anthony will return to her sexing, clubbing ways, have another kid, and "that child may also be thrown out like trash!"

this program is like 100x worse than the worst of fox news

how does cnn allow this program to go on the air?

^ have wondered this for years. nancy grace is completely horrible. can't take her for more than a minute at a stretch, if that. the waves of pure, psychopathic rage pouring off her at all times make her show one of the most viscerally revolting things i've ever seen on television.

i mean, i assume she's popular, but DNGI on any level.

i think i am going to wait ten years until this is an exquisitely rendered new yorker article, rather than 'rushing in' now and going piecemeal over the facts.

sure they wouldn't keep grace if she didn't get rating$$$. but this kind of exploitative trash that deliberately pushes the message that collective populist outrage is always right & the justice system is about vengeance.. really unamerican imho

My grandmother is addicted to Nancy Grace, so there's your demo right there.

the svu episode will be a two parter which i assume will end with her acquital and then as she's exiting court into a throng of reporters, one of the manic protestors from outside will rush up and shoot her and then fade to black exec prod dick wolf

live at the witch trials with nancy grace

it's a pretty strange case tbh

never seen Nancy G. tho, thank you god

it's totally strange! i paid zero attention until the past week when it was on just about every cable newscast thus unavoidable. so i watched some of fox's coverage because it was entertaining -> shep yelling about how everyone involved in the trial was incompetent and the explanation for the actions of all involved = CENTRAL FLORIDA WEIRDNESS

they have a helicopter over their house for crying out loud. nancy grace has moved on to being OUTRAGED that the defense team had champagne afterward. someone needs to start a car chase

there's quite a cultural studies thesis to be written about this kind of programming.

sittin' in back seat
kickin' in the front seat
why are the doors locked
shit is that a laaaaaaake?

Jeeeeeeeeesus I have maybe never laughed so hard and felt so bad about it.

dr drew is about to talk about the narcissism of the defense team

damn, i didn't know dr. drew was wrapped up with grace

some anti-defense attorney propaganda in this b

nancy grace is going to cry about the champagne thing

we're watching a damned nancy grace therapy sesh

they should have nancy grace lying on a couch

Oh no - http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=237189926299700

R.I.P CAYLEE U WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN MY UR MOTHER PAY FOR WHAT SHE DID

If you can't even summon up enough outrage to spell out "you" then you don't deserve to turn on your porch light for Caylee Anthony from 9 pm until 6 am.

yknow maybe they acquitted her because the state didn't prove the case? good grief.

so glad the justice system in this country doesn't care about nancy grace's feeeeeelings

lots of angry eyebrows on this channel

686,217 people attending!

alright "xany nanny" is AMAZING

Keep this rose Going for Caylee ♥♥♥♥
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this is like a hollywood squares of self-righteous insanity

we all need to go back to work tomorrow solving murders

my porch light dont work but ill light a candle for you lil one ♥ rip

This person is actually on to something, albeit unintentionally:

Justice, my ass!!! So many of us are shaking our heads in disbelief tonight realizing that so many others have been prosecuted under less implication and circumstantial evidence. AUGH!

i feel somewhat guilty for being aware of this trial. but i'm not sure i should, really. it's worth asking why this trial was spotlit by the media when so many other heinous crimes get only local coverage. but as to why any particular person is interested--well, it's a compelling case. once it's been brought to your attention, via CNN's front page or what have you, it's not hard to become engaged by it.

in other words, the issue of why the mainstream media spent so much ink and webspace on this is one question, but any individual's interest in the case is, i suppose, another.

re. the verdict, i can't help but wonder if this is another instance of the "CSI effect," whereby juries feel they need one piece of unambiguous, incontrovertible material evidence to come up with a guilty verdict. even though a superabundance of circumstantial evidence, along with a host of good material evidence, can be the basis for a guilty verdict if a convincing theory--"beyond a reasonable doubt"-- can be offered as to how they all fit together.

i love how this thread went from a half-dozen shrugs one day to endless lolz and live-blogging nancy grace and the end of western civ less than a week later.

thanking u tater tot mutter

who has ruined our civic-legal culture more, jerry bruckheimer or joel surnow. or aaron sorkin ha ha ha.

it's still REALLY bizarre to me that nancy grace just calls her "tot mom" as if she legally changed her name

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(¸.•´(¸.• (¸.•´¸¸.•¨¯`•.¸¸.♥ Keep this balloon going in memory of Caylee Marie

still not getting "tot mom" despite four beers

grace asks TOT MOM's former fiance how he feels having been so close to "someone who could do such a thing"

how is a question like that not sort of libelous at this point

the incessant repetition of "tot mom" just takes it to a whole other level of inane

Amber Munson
not sure where i will be but will try to light whom evers lights
about a minute ago · Like ·

still not getting "tot mom" despite four beers

― brownie, Tuesday, July 5, 2011 8:59 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is it a play on "hot mom"? which i know is not a thing but?

we need tot reform, voting Tea party brb

hearing "tot mom" now just triggers the chorus to missy's "hot boyz", but with "tot momz" inserted

it's not a pun.....she was the mother of a tot (a term for a small child)

xps

octomom...hmm, there's octopus, but that doesn't make sense...

https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/174470_100000438037516_4887757_q.jpgBrandon Mullins
that shits crazy how she can jus get off 4 murder, guess if O.J can do it so can she....
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are there going to be "2 girls, 1 cup" style reaction videos? please tell me yes

Mullin it over
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fox's preferred repetitive phrase was "accused child-killer" which certainly sounds better when spoken and repeated than "tot mom" but might be a tad bit prejudicial

i think nancy grace just broke

btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMCdv9Lq3_E

O_O

'tot mom' is maybe a workaround on the casey / caylee name similarity, which might be too easily confused in the heat of on-air rabid indignation

disliked. did my part.

xp

how do i tot mom

grizz & tot mom

These people:

“Caylee died in vain. That poor little innocent baby was killed and treated like a piece of trash,’’ said Lanai Yelverton, wiping away tears. The Chattanooga, Tenn., mother and her husband ditched their Disney vacation plans for two days to await the verdict outside the courthouse. “There was no justice in this justice system today.’’

...

In the far corner of the rotunda, Keettely Cooper clutched the Virgin Mary pendant hanging from her necklace and leaned against the courthouse’s granite columns. She cupped her hands over her streaming eyes with tears “How could they, how could they?”
“I feel like Caylee wasn’t just Casey’s baby, she became our baby,’’ says Cooper, 45, of Orlando, who had lingered near the doors for a verdict since the early morning. “I keep thinking of my own two kids and I just can’t imagine hurting them.’’

Have people never heard the word "tot" before? I don't get what all the confusion surrounding the term "tot mom" is.

im confused by ppl not thinking it sounds retarded, i guess

mother of a tot, vs. mother of invention, or mother jones, I guess

you really have to watch nancy grace for 10 mins or so to hear the context/frequency of "tot mom" & really grasp the full force of the term

"tot mom" is weird because when u give nicknames 2 people on trial their nicknames should have to do with their crimes

i.e. "rape cops"

"tot mom" is if like you call the rape cops "police cops"

"she's a snake in human clothing"!! got damn

MAX OTM

yeah, it's not exactly "the boston strangler" or w/e

x-posts - it's def an/annoying and dumb phrase but people are acting like they don't know what the word "tot" means. Max yeah that makes sense.

what's with the creepy john carpenter halloween music on the commercial breaks

are I Killed Caylee t shirts a thing because I've seen a few

haha i totally saw one of these last nite & dngi

'police cops' was a simpsons parody y/n?

"tot" is a word i thought should be exclusively used in print headlines where you have to save space? it really sounds bad when spoken over and over

one of grace's talking heads just said anthony is a "psychopath" and compared her to ted bundy, then called her a "snake in human clothing"

i love how nancy grace & her guests keep upping the ante in their descriptions of the defense attorney's reaction to the verdict -- "champagne jamboree" has now been used multiple times -- we're pretty much at this point

http://stuffflypeoplelike.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/pop.gif

tbh "tot" really just reminds me of these:

http://www.freewebs.com/epp43/tot_finder.jpg

been thinking abt it and tot mom is a p great name, like maybe not logically but its nice to say, i can see why nancy grace vibes so hard to it

doesn't "tot" mean small child and dead in german???

lol

like its particularly good for expressing distain w/a hard emphasis on the tot

horrible people shouting angrily about another horrible person complete with sepia toned flashbacks to earlier this afternoon on this same channel

that was to ice cram

to buzza nice try but no, not quite

'police cops' was a simpsons parody y/n?

― Lamp, Tuesday, July 5, 2011 9:21 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ha, yes, i was wondering why that phrase came to mind so easily

“I feel like Caylee wasn’t just Casey’s baby, she became our baby,’’ says Cooper, 45, of Orlando, who had lingered near the doors for a verdict since the early morning.

there's something almost unfathomably fascinating about how you can end up at this mindset

mummentotz

Nancy Grace, who drove much of the coverage and dubbed Anthony “tot mom,” was stunned, saying “somewhere out there, the devil is dancing tonight.’’

this is straight poetry tho

it is fascinating how people get caught up! it's so weird

lol they way i found out abt this case was a times article abt how intensely people are into it

how can a snake even wear human clothing

Wait buzz - my bad! It does, in fact, mean small child in english and dead in German. I was confused and thought you were saying it meant both in German. Forgive me, I just woke up.

makes u think

well sheep dont even have clothes so there you go xp

it's about time we all woke up to the travesty of justice that occurred today!!!!

i swear at least 3 people posted that verbatim as status updates on my f-list today

nancy grace infuriated about the defense throwing a party is a little odd given that the backdrop of her own broadcast is a massive crowd of excited bystanders waving their arms gleefully because they're on tv

"champagne jamboree" has now been used multiple times

What? No. Really?

http://justice4caylee.forumotion.net/t15157p15-main-blogtue-july-5-2011-2

All I can say is...Caylee will be forever in all of our hearts.... I know everyone one of us would of sat with Caylee in the rain, with an umbrella... and a blanket...unlike her own family! I love you all.. because you all love Caylee like I do..... *sad hug eomticon*

"murdered her own angel"

Once again we see, with our nation in crisis, President Obama stands by and does idly nothing while an injustice is committed here in this glorious nation of ours. It's almost strange that the president has not yet made one statement on the issue of the death of young Caylee Anthony. Why the strange silence, Mr. President?
-- Sarah Palin
12,429 people like this.

"a murderous psychopathic killer on the loose"

"there is no doubt in my mind that she strikes again"

I'm not that surprised by this verdict, all the evidence was extremely circumstantial. I guess I'm surprised that the jury didn't just go on circumstance. but there were too many other weird things about the family that didn't make sense. dad's affair-woman saying that he stated it was "an accident that got out of control" would have killed the prosecution's case in my mind if I were on the jury, given that they needed to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

the weird thing is that all these ppl seem to think tot mom is going to get hella rich offa this? i guess via some tell all book or something? idk

Nancy Grace, who drove much of the coverage and dubbed Anthony “tot mom,” was stunned, saying “somewhere out there, the devil is dancing tonight.’’

this is straight poetry tho

― gucci mande (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, July 5, 2011 9:26 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://gawker.com/5818366/nancy-grace-on-the-casey-anthony-verdict-the-devil-is-dancing-tonight

LOVING sarah palins statement

first she is mad at obama for not... intervening in the trial? but then she appears to accuse him of murdering caylee himself and covering it up

nancy grace is guaranteeing that she becomes a millionaire off books/photos/movies

*sad hug eomticon*

"I can promise you Casey Anthony and anyone else who I think might've killed their children will have no business in a Herman Cain administration. President Cain would look her right in the eyes and ask her point blank if she killed that little girl, we'd get right to the bottom of it."
-- Cain, addressing a Tea Party group in Iowa.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/07/05/casey_anthony_2012

BACHMANN: Well, I've been visiting all the primary states, and I've been talking to people, and people all over the place are asking me, why, in Barack Obama's America, someone who murders a baby who happens to be white doesn't get punished. And Sean, I've been on the front lines, and I know people are afraid not just of the massive debt created by the Pelosi-Reid government, they're worried about the Muslim Brotherhood, which has clear ties to terror groups dedicated to creating a worldwide Islamic caliphate, and they're worried that Eric Holder's Justice Department isn't going to do anything about it if the Brotherhood or another group comes for their children.

haha no is that real

nancy grace has really brought on the henchmen for the stretch run here

pretty sure that salon article isn't real. Don't see those posts on palin's facebook or newt's twitter.

time for Obama to break out SEAL Team 6

let loose the tots of war

basically the panel has decided the following things:

- casey anthony will murder again
- casey anthony will be shunned from society and be forced to hang out with shady figures, and thus will murder again
- casey anthony will never be happy, so "we" will get "emotional justice"

pretty sure that salon article isn't real. Don't see those posts on palin's facebook or newt's twitter.

― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, July 5, 2011 9:37 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha yeah.... i may have missed that

twinkly piano music for the caylee montage

I don't give a shit about motive..........all the circumstantial evidence pointed to CASEY.....

VIEWER CALLS

am i crazy or did the prosecution fail to prove there was even a murder?

what is this sideshow

lol they way i found out abt this case was a times article abt how intensely people are into it

― ice cr?m, Tuesday, July 5, 2011 9:27 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

me too! nancy grace sounds horrifying btw i'm going to continue not watching her show

there have been legitimately 30 different ppl on camera in the hour or so that i've been watching -- from a pure logistical standpoint, this shit is hella impressive

THEY'RE INTERVIEWING A GUY IN KABUL

or were going to

hahaha i don't believe anything any of you people are saying btw

THE JURORS DRANK THE CASEY KOOL-AID

http://www.x-entertainment.com/pics/kool1.jpg

pictured: Casey Anthony

ECTO MOM

"she's a pathological liar. she'll do something again. they can't cover that up."

lol jordan

shit there's some show on TNT called rizzoli and Isles, and they're already on season 2?

btw nancy grace is having a 2 hour "justice for caylee" special on sat night

"a verdict in the case of tot mom'

AMAZING SIGN OFF

yes holy SHIT

camptacular

nancy grace has somehow struck an impossible balance b/w being totally stonefaced & openly weeping

it must be the botox

ty for live bloggin this js and dg

the band is back in town

everyone should watch the clip in that gawker link, holy crap

the first woman to speak in that panel is seriously something out of 30 rock

YOU DON'T WEAR DUCT TAPE TO GO SWIMMING

"not if you hang out in my circles, heh heh"

jordan where's the link?

http://gawker.com/5818366/nancy-grace-on-the-casey-anthony-verdict-the-devil-is-dancing-tonight

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment//2011/07/6cfc19dae703d282bf6fae984f08a375/340x.jpg

what a freakshow

the thing is, i really am disturbed by a tv host with massive ratings who goes on the air and declares unequivocally that the outcome of this has dealt a blow to justice simply because that's her feeling about it, even though there was a completely fair trial. it just seems to encourage a total lack of respect for the judicial system. also, how long before the jurors start being harassed because of the media coverage?

she clearly thinks criminal defense should be outlawed

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Vqn2_2rd3WU/RwJ2wAktnUI/AAAAAAAAAN8/y9KBALxwwHg/s400/Sue.jpg

i refuse to believe susan moss is for real

i'm still reeling from "you don't wear duct tape to go swimming"

x-post - seriously

http://mycrains.crainsnewyork.com/40under40/profiles/2008/susan-moss

Can we make this thread about Susan Moss?

Orlando's Kelly equivalent speaks!

http://media.trb.com/media/photo/2011-07/354720200-05122114.jpg

“She’s compassionate,” says Nancy Chemtob, founding partner of their law firm, who observed Ms. Moss for months before recruiting her. “Sue can slowly but surely pull out information from a witness, to the point where you can actually see opposing counsel cringe in their seats.”

Indeed.

"WHAT THE H?"

- lady justice

is this case kind of like the super bowl for stay-at-home moms?

DER SPIEGEL: 'TOT MOM' TOT IST TOT

blood on your hands mr. obama!

I will change the channel, and boycott all stations that have http://r20.imgfast.net/users/2012/32/89/17/smiles/2395555088.gif and her parents or http://r20.imgfast.net/users/2012/32/89/17/smiles/17919.gif http://r20.imgfast.net/users/2012/32/89/17/smiles/698538.gif http://r20.imgfast.net/users/2012/32/89/17/smiles/1063690763.gif on I will not watch these crazy people....I do not want them to make any money!!!!

The other thing I think the prosecution should have done was show more of the home videos of an alive Caylee... they had to stare at the Monster-not-Mom for 6 weeks they should have been shown videos of a Beautiful alive Baby girl Caylee for 6 weeks so she became real to them...so they would have fallen in love with her like we did! I am so heart broken!!

jesus

tot pocket

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lol

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Mine have been on since 1800.
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Paul Turner
Pocket O B A M A
The OJ Jury is alive and well apparently! If a Girl can kill her daughter and have the state pay for an attorney to beat the rap then I have 2012 all wrapped up! Casey Duct Tape Anthony! Your comments on "Justice!" ROFL!

gawd this trial.

like I firmly believe Casey was guilty, but am still not surprised by the verdict. I don't think the majority of the people following this seem to realize that "not guilty" does not = "we believe Baez's stupid swimming pool drowning story".

Really, the prosecution had it tough from the jump simply because Caylee had been dead many months before she was found (or even known to be dead)...so right there, the already small chance of DNA being lifted was gone. I really think the prosecutors did (in my mind) prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the "pool" story was bunk, and that Caylee was murdered, but the one thing that stuck out in my mind yesterday was that nothing being presented effectively connected it to Casey other than speculation and probability.

Nobody disappointed me more today than my supposed 'liberal' friends, some of whom are now talking about how the judicial system is broken. Um, folks, this is the system we fought for, and I'd prefer not to live in a society where we convict people because we're "purdy sure they done did it".

one of my friends asked if anyone else was alarmed that a killer of a 2-year old baby was now on the loose. as if her alleged murdering of Caylee was a serial thing and not something she did to break free of maternal responsibility, and she's going to abduct and kill (AND EAT) more babies now.

comparing this to the OJ trial is such horseshit. There was fucking DNA evidence in the OJ case, plus he was a celebrity who could afford a ridiculously overpriced team of lawyers, facing one of the most inept prosecuting teams of all time. There was a mountain of evidence against OJ, not just circumstantial.

hmmm https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/174470_100000438037516_4887757_q.jpg hmmm

one thing that http://justice4caylee.forumotion.net/t15157p810-main-blogtue-july-5-2011-2 has taught me is that ilx mods have done a p shity job of autoreplacing ppl's names with meanspirited .gifs

How in the hell did many of these so-called jurors think that she was guilty back at jury selection suddenly "after" hearing and seeing the testimony come to the conclusion that she's innocent. Doesn't make any sense to me at all.

That Gawker clip was my first exposure to Nancy Grace. There is something deeply wrong with that woman.

How in the hell did many of these so-called jurors think that she was guilty back at jury selection suddenly "after" hearing and seeing the testimony come to the conclusion that she's innocent. Doesn't make any sense to me at all.

― Lamp, Tuesday, July 5, 2011 9:44 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Hahahaha holy shit

My dogs love her show, I don't know why. I think they respond to the indignant tone of the guests and callers.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnw6af1EdW1qced7ro1_500.jpg

kinda bummed that I've never been to a champagne jamboree

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcy2qeScyW1qe3wrwo1_400.gif

didn't nancy grace get told off by Elizabeth Smart once?

I still hold Nancy Grace responsible for Melinda Duckett's suicide tbh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Grace#Suicide_of_interviewee_Melinda_Duckett

wow, totally forgot about that. hellacious :(

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/52/Nancy_Grace_Book_Cover.jpg

...........

even her eyebrows are satanic

GAH she is SO GROSS. NancyGrice, embodiment of evil.

"In an interview on Good Morning America, Nancy Grace said in reaction to events that "If anything, I would suggest that guilt made her commit suicide."

What a fucking evil cuntface bitch.

wasn't Nancy Grace still lobbing darts at the Duke lacrosse players even a few days after they were exonerated?

She's just like the worst relative you ever had on her worst day got a talk show and a sturdy sense of entitlement. Horrible.

"and a 24/7 Media Have Hijacked Our Criminal Justice System"

I mean

The important sentence to point out to people that fwd you that Salon "article" (I've gotten 4 in the last 45 minutes):

Because the Casey Anthony story was the only thing that happened in the news today, and because this is ostensibly "a blog about politics," I have rounded up (or possibly invented) the reactions of all the 2012 Republican contenders to the news of Casey Anthony's "not guilty" verdict.

she is on nightline right now and i want to vomit on her

i mean, is she acting? is this act for real? either way i put her and glenn beck in a boat and send them off to sea. together.

people need to put their damn pitchforks down. the calls for vigilante justice are a bit unsettling too, like I mean ok Casey I'm pretty sure is guilty, but I hate to think if I ever get arrested for a crime I didn't commit and then get exonerated that I'm going to have to fend off asshole narcissistic crusaders trying to kill me....

seriously. she finishes a sentence and then stops with that super serious look and i was just wondering if as soon as the camera light turns off she breaks and smiles and says, 'that was a great take!'
xpost

right, like "scolding harpy" is her thing and she does it professionally and then turns into paula deen or something.

So glad I'm not watching that, I don't have the stomach for Nancy Grace on a normal day, let alone tonight. The comments on Twitter are horrifying.

I delayed my DVR recording of Frontline so I could watch the rerun of Nancy Grace later. :/

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/174935/20110705/casey-anthony-caylee-murder-trial.htm

These floral-couch pundits make me sick; out of all the great outrages in the world, this is what they get upset over. I imagine bon-bons dropping from a million gaping maws the moment the verdict came out. "RUHGUIHg what injsutice!! First Oprah goes off the air. Then Dr. Oz said I should walk around my living room for at least 5 minutes so the doctor dont have to cut off my leg from the diabeets. Now this!!!"

I want to set up a charity called "Justice4Casey" in support of mothers wrongfully convicted of murdering their children just to send the solicitation letters to these imaginary women's homes. Good times ensue.

lol this is totally a joke, but it will be interesting to see how many people sign up: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Petition-for-Casey-Anthony-to-host-SNL/238937676135285

i have never seen a nancy grace broadcast thank god but in these photos she looks very much like the kind of woman who'd flip out ahead of you in line at the grocery store over something remarkably trivial like getting all her change back in ones and would threaten the cashier with possible termination and not shut up until the cashier basically grovels and then you and the cashier would have to share a sad moment of mutual embarrassment while both of you secretly, shamefully pray the brakes give out in n. grace's hummer on the way home.

I still don't know what the hell this is all about. Some little news blurb I read was like "finally an end to the story that has captivated America for the past three years" -- I was like what.

mostly because this more or less happened to me today and if nancy grace wasn't screaming about beating deadbeat tot moms dead on national tv i would swear it was the same woman

I feel like this is when I go to CVS and don't recognize anyone on the celebrity magazine b/c they're all reality-show stars or w/e.

come on dude

they're white btw

if you've been around a TV or a newspaper the last couple years you've at least heard of this case, quit fronting

those intertwining jaymc/strongo posts are very poignant

jaymc at the very least can we trust you to give us a report on the status of "caylee" as a baby name

i feel like if john doesn't know anything about this trial it shouldn't exist

if you've been around a TV or a newspaper the last couple years you've at least heard of this case, quit fronting

I heard about it for the first time two weeks ago or whenever I guess the trial began.

had no idea this trial existed until facebook today

well i think it was a "thing" a few years ago when they were first searching for the girl but then there was a long lull as it was brought to trial

jaymc at the very least can we trust you to give us a report on the status of "caylee" as a baby name

Ha, the name made a strong top-1000 debut at #514 in 2008 and was all the way up to #263 the next year before dipping into the 500s again in 2010. I guess that's b/c of the dead baby. (FWIW, Kaylee has been a top-100 name for 10+ years.)

lol no...but who cares tbh

xp

Living in the middle of it all, where it's been constantly in the news since 2008, it's kind of hard to believe it's finally over. The rest of the country got it in two bursts, but it's been three years of day in/day out coverage here (which is frankly ridiculous).

if you've been around a TV or a newspaper the last couple years you've at least heard of this case, quit fronting

Actually, I just realized, I don't really get much news from TV or newspapers, so.

so....

i mean i realize now that i've seen this name in google news the past couple weeks but i didn't know who it was so i didn't click it, which is admittedly a bad strategy for reading the news but which seems to have served me okay in this case

Word.

i mean it's not like the case was particularly compelling, shakey otm for the most part, but it's like ILM goofs being all "boom boom pow"? i've never even heard that song!

Well, I probably wouldn't have ever heard "Boom Boom Pow" if I didn't make a concerted effort to pay attention to pop music by turning on Top 40 stations in the car and watching YouTube videos and so forth.

to be honest i never heard of it either until i had to give up cable and start watching the news for lacking of anything better between six and seven

First I heard of this was this morning when JF mentioned it on facebook, but in fairness I dont live in the US. Then again "tot mom" phrase rings a bell.

after which it's jeopardy and the wheel and then straight to bed

yeah, and most normal ppl listen to top 40 and use youtube, is the point

cmon jmc you're better than this

Hell I didnt even know Prince william was getting married til about 2 weeks before it happened. I live under a rock.

this is going to sound very "i don't even own a tv" but i just assume there is always 1 (at least) really nutso murder trial or family court drama (white ppl) that has taken off as a tabloid thing, and when it pops up i figure i don't really have to pay attention to it.

the one time this really caught me out was the terry schiavo thing, where suddenly bill frist was pronouncing on this garbage i had been seeing in the checkout line and it was "real" all of a sudden.

the thing about the supposed pretentiousness of "i don't own a tv" is that it's completely outdated because i spend plenty of time staring at a screen wasting my life without a tv

schiavo was kind of different, there was at least an "issue" ppl could graft their opinions onto there

i get all my news from reddit

yeah i mean i don't really put people on blast for not knowing about this shit. it's not as if it's really news. it's space-filler between "local business catches fire," "man arrested for having dick out at mall," and the weather.

i didnt hear abt this until like a week ago and im a compulsive consumer of news

i think maybe i read dead baby or missing girl or w/e and my eyes just glaze over

because my apartment is already filled w/dead babies

so im used to it

its not news to me

except in the compulsive consumption sense

tot glut

^ german?

totricide

tot im himmel

totenkopf

wait

fwiw my actual irl job is to follow lowest-common-denominator shit like this and the casey anthony thing _completely_ passed me by, until like 1 month ago basically

the totzi party

http://ecdn2.hark.com/images/000/003/315/3315/original.jpg

toooooooot moooooooooom

tot guilty

haaaaaa

'totzi' is making me think of that scary ass baby from toy story 3

f tot fitzgerald

tot rock

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-P7V6abVHQAU/TVxPAx8dNaI/AAAAAAAAA3Q/2vcA9u0bARU/s1600/Toy%2BStory%2BBaby.jpg

totterdammerung

operation babytossa

between a tot and a hard place

tot guilt?

also id just like to say that im p heavy consumer of bloggable 'news' content and had not heard of tot mom until this thread starting burnin up sna

http://rlv.zcache.com/give_me_some_of_your_tots_button-p145569972067308619t5sj_400.jpg

tots all, folks

without a second tot

tot to give it up to you guys

tot peterson

?

tOTMom

MOMTOT should not be a mod

I first heard about it maybe like 9 months ago or so because sometimes I'll flip through People in the supermarket checkout line and I saw it there and then looked it up online later I think.

yeah, and most normal ppl listen to top 40 and use youtube, is the point

cmon jmc you're better than this

― bros -izing bros (k3vin k.), Wednesday, July 6, 2011 12:48 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

check out the normie police over here. beat it, neurotypical scum

I first heard about it when I was google searching for neck breaking

guilty lol

I find situations like these turn out to be a blessing in disguise because they really help me trim my FB friends list without guilt.

when Cindy Anthony claimed she was searching for Chlorophyll when choloroform appeared on the house's Google I thought to myself 1. Cindy doesn't know how Google works, 2. "CHOLORPHYLL? MORE LIKE BORE-OPHYLL!"

i was aware of Nancy Grace and her TOT MOM obsession, and I was vaguely aware of the existence of Casey Anthony, but I hadn't actually known anything about the case until a day or two ago.

see, one morning a month or so ago, i was checking headlines and the trial popped up. i'd never heard of it before that but it seems like once i was aware it was everywhere.

i remember watching a 20/20 abt it like years ago, even before they had found the kids body i think

The other day I found myself explaining to my mother that I didn't follow rolling cable news stories about/for tacky white people because the stories are prole-bait and a distraction.

I find situations like these turn out to be a blessing in disguise because they really help me trim my FB friends list without guilt.

Me too! But I've already done so much trimming that only two people I'm FB friends with joined the "porch lights on for Casey Anthony group" and I really like those people in real life so didn't want to defriend them. Although they probably deserve at least a temporary block for that.

And in late defense of jaymc, I watch news and (I am somewhat ashamed to admit) enjoy a good tabloid true crime story and I was clueless about this until a couple of weeks ago when a coworker was like "OMG Casey Anthony!!!" and I was all like "Do what now?" That said, I'm really looking forward to the pulpy true crime book about this case.

Talking about this with my wife last night, I may have recalled hearing about it years ago, when she was first arrested, but frankly I had no idea it had turned into a thing. Frankly, I'm more shocked at the story of the body found in a Mass. public pool that had gone undetected for days.

Yeah that's ridiculous in another way entirely though. I mean really - how did that happen?! Anyway.

I only got information about the case from news site headlines over the last few years, but all of those news sites seemed to imply that there was a mountain of evidence against her. I can't really bring myself to read the story and find out what happened right now because seeing those headlines so often in the last few weeks overwhelmed me enough to just stop reading the news altogether.

I had to take my kid to urgent care last night and the televisions in the waiting room were tuned into this. I changed them all over to cartoon network. "Hi! Do you know what all these sick kids want to watch while they're about to go into the doctor's office to be seen for their 102 degree fevers and weird rashes and tummy aches? I'll bet they want to watch the show about the little girl who died and everybody's saying her mommy killed her." No, they want to watch Johnny Test, you dickbrains.

wow @ waiting room

Despite it being a generally shitty newspaper, gotta hand it to the Cleveland Plain Dealer for sidebarring this shit instead of putting it front-and-center, unlike, say, THE NEW YORK TIMES.

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Ok so I just talked to my mom about this and it was pretty interesting. She told me that people in her area were not just obsessed with this case, but like LOUDLY frothing at the mouth about it. Streaming it live in rooms together with baited breath and whatnot. She hypothesized that it is because she lives in a pretty depressed area - lots of businesses closing, unemployment, lack of opportunity, etc - that people grew so attached to this case. Women, mostly older. That and boredom.

This makes me feel a little more sympathy for the "keep the rose going" folks, but even more angry at NancyGrice for being that lady who riles everyone up. She's like that lady in The Mist.

oh come on even stephen king would be ashamed to write the dialogue that comes pouring out of n. grace's headhole

Totally. I like S King!

she is more of a Koontz anyway

maybe the little girl was killed by pennywise the clown

if only casey anthony's parents and their friends had done a gangbang in the sewers and killed a giant spider with the power of friendship 30 years ago none of this would have ever happened

I still find it perplexing that a critical component to the kids beating IT was to run a train on the girl in the group

haha xpost

i found a hardcover copy of it at a church rummage sale a year or two back for like fifty cents and that scene had been ripped out

I still find it perplexing that a critical component to the kids beating IT was to run a train on the girl in the group

I still don't understand the reasoning for that, other than Stephen King being into gangbangs.

i think the reasoning is that stephen king was bleeding from the face pretty much constantly during the '80s from all the coke

it was a team building exercise

actual lols

i think i first read "it" when i was 12 or so and i remember sitting in the living room when i got to that scene and my mom had the radio on and mariah's "vision of love" came on.

v. special moment.

i found a hardcover copy of it at a church rummage sale a year or two back for like fifty cents and that scene had been ripped out

first thing you turned to huh

well i mean i'd already downloaded the copy of "vision of love."

fool, you can never go back.

the end of the innocence

Don Henley would be a real mood killer in that situation.

re-reading "it" i realized how much stephen king liked women being beaten up to "make a point" and the n-word. between that and the coke he was kind of the airport paperback tarantino.

The Stand is the only King book I've read twice and it was kind of startling how poorly I understood the woman who was giving birth to the Antichrist the first time I read it.

watching the news and they interview all these women on the street and one woman says that casey "took it too far". which is kinda telling if you ask me. cuz everyone knows its okay to fantasize about getting rid of your kid and going to clubs but you must never act on that.

also just watched that movie Black Death on netflix a night before the verdict and immediately thought of the ageless appeal of a good old-fashioned witch trial.

all you murderous parents!

never forget that case in philly where the mom drowned her baby in the sink and then called her husband on the phone and said: "I dismantled the clock."

tanya dockery! she was special.

speaking of books, this is reminding me of richard price and freedomland

underrated imo! people say it was too long, but it was not too long

^^^ yes.

xpost it was kinda too long

Black Death was pretty good!

a little preachy tho (ha ha)

it was kinda price's dickens book, though. i'm not hating.

i didn't like clockers. didn't read the long-ass ones after that. ladies man and the breaks 4life 4 me though.

ok it was a little too long, but i liked it as much as i like any of his books. didn't see the movie, but i enjoyed the complexity of a main female character with problems. i would read anything he wrote though.

scott you should read samaritan and/or lush life! they're so good.

"porch lights on for Casey Anthony group"

It's not the most environmentally PC thing to do but I find this relatively innocuous. What I find offensive are the NG's of the world (who really aught to know better) who aren't livid the prosecution was so monumentally lame. Great way to defend the rule of law and eschew mob rule/vigilantism. Stay classy.

'lush life' got me to read all his other stuff (had already read 'clockers') its so good. i ended up liking 'the wanderers' more than anything else but tbh i think theyre all worth reading

clockers felt too screenplay-ish for me and i figured thats how i would feel about the other later ones. this happened to me and richard russo. really liked mohawk and the risk pool but every book after that i kept thinking hmmmmm, i guess ed harris will get this part and who's gonna play the handyman? you know? hollywood cuts really big checks. i dig it.

ed harris could basically play every male role in a russo book/movie. its ed harris lit.

I dismantled the clock!! i will never forget that as long as i live. that was so profound. man oh man.

haha i love richard russo but that's otm about ed harris lit

haha scott what year was that i dismantled the clock thing? i barely remember that.

i'm probably thinking of some other philadelphia-area child murder.

what a delightful town to grow up near.

must have been late 80's? i moved to philly in 1988. wasn't too long after that i don't think.

now i am never going to see anyone in these roles but ed harris either :(

he wouldn't really work as henry in straight man but i think he'd work as everyone else. he was actually in the hbo adaptation of empire falls!

my batshit-murder-in-philadelphia heart will always belong to gary heidnik though

i totally spelled her name wrong. it was tanya dacri. the baby was zacharry dacri. i definitely remember that name. she ended up blaming the death on her husband after she went to jail. and said that he made her dismember the baby.

zachary dacri!

gary definitely top ten scariest dudes ever. on the list of scariest dudes.

omg zachary dacri

seriously

haha okay NOW i remember it

zachary dacri clock

:(

seriously between the move bombing and gary heidnik, philly local news fucked me up for all time between the ages of 7 and 9.

i believed all cities were full of cannibals and the mayor would drop a bomb on your house if you jaywalked or something

Zachary Dacri liked a good mojito

i'm actually more of a joe kallinger fan as far as philly murderers go. he made tiny corrective shoes for mice. which is kinda cute.

ugh i'm reading about gary heidnik now.

itt nancy grace zings, literary chat, memories of cannibals, people laughing at dead kids

10 fabulous years of ile

Sarah Palin
Once again we see, with our nation in crisis, President Obama stands by and does idly nothing while an injustice is committed here in this glorious nation of ours. It's almost strange that the president has not yet made one statement on the issue of the death of young Caylee Anthony. Why the strange silence, Mr. President?
-- Sarah Palin
12,429 people like this.

oh my god

that's it, this country is done

ugh i'm reading about gary heidnik now

s0 :///////

the worst is that i was kinda lol @ him being a shrewd investor?

Obama is pro-dead-little-white-girls iirc

I thought we'd already discussed how that Palin thing is fake upthread btw

yeah it's pareene :)

okay, so the likes are fake too? that's what I was reacting to

i h8 likes

yes it's all fake

all of it. casey anthony's daughter is actually still alive and writing books under the pen name "cormac mccarthy.

this is basically just a repeat of that little-girl-beauty-queen who was murdered ennit. crazy family, suspicious lies, botched crime scene, outragd public, no convictions. shit, what was her name...

JonBenet Ramsay

santa killed jonbenet though. everyone knows that.

Santa's such a dick sometimes

enh JonBenet's family was pretty wealthy though iirc

jonbenet owns a small dry cleaners in white plains with tupac you fools

I remember back when it happened that a really good way to get Colorado Avalanche fans riled was to bring up JonBenet. I think that was my first foray into trolling.

I haven't seen the news yet today. Is Anthony still in custody, or has she been released? I'm kind of hoping that she has some kind of armed protection around her for the next few days.

she still has to be sentenced for the lesser charges iirc

he was actually in the hbo adaptation of empire falls!

― horseshoe, Wednesday, July 6, 2011 12:02 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

haha i was gonna mention this like, guys im about to blow your freaking minds here but

ugh i'm reading about gary heidnik now.

― horseshoe, Wednesday, July 6, 2011 12:13 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

same. :[ boy he looked like a scary character actor... he couldve been played by edward james olmos circa american me

Peruto also told Philadelphia magazine: "People were constantly talking about the case. And there were these crazy jokes. 'Chuck, I heard you charged him an arm and a leg.' 'Gary Heidnik debuted his own brand of clothing today: Dismembered Only.' Some were funny. Some weren’t."[16]

I thought I heard sentencing is tomorrow and that could be the earliest time she is released.

x-post

I just opened this to post that I'm also reading about this guy. Jesus. He's keeping women in pits and boiling heads on stoves and I don't know that I wanted to know this stuff. Damn.

haha yeah imagining being nine and hearing all this shit.

apparently my parents just did not give a flying fuck what i watched on tv.

reminds me of the hedda nussbaum trial. why do i still remember that lady's name? i feel like her face is burned into my brain in spite of my efforts to get it out.

Oh I remember the Steinberg/Nussbaum thing well. Her face was pretty unforgettable - he'd beaten her to the point of permanent disfigurement iirc. Fucking awful story.

i liked 'lush life' when i read that what should i read next

my google search bar is really something after this thread

Lech - apparently that case "was one of the first to be televised "gavel to gavel" which leads me to believe we might remember it so well because it was prob all over the media.

Her face still haunts me, I'd never seen anyone so mangled by abuse. xxxp

jonestown was maybe my first glimpse at the insanity of the world i think. remember just staring at the pictures in time and newsweek and being all freaked out. i might have known something about manson by then, but jonestown really freaked me. i was too young to remember vietnam or pictures of that. though we did have this crazy wwII book at home with really gory pictures in it. and not just world war 2 pictures either. like scary race riot shots from down south with bloody people and stuff. i might have been a little too young to take that all in.

xp - yeah - -me too. to be quite plain about it, i had no idea people did that to each other. it was shocking to see that as a kid.

i remember the "move" thing being REALLY terrifying to me on the news as a kid, like people running from the building with their bodies on fire and shit, but obviously that was not shown on the news.

Her face still haunts me, I'd never seen anyone so mangled by abuse. xxxp

― online pinata store (Nicole), Wednesday, July 6, 2011 1:47 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark

xp - yeah - -me too. to be quite plain about it, i had no idea people did that to each other. it was shocking to see that as a kid.

― Fa la la (La Lechera), Wednesday, July 6, 2011 1:48 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark

Yeah, totally. It was awful. I was also only a couple years older than their daughter at the time so that also prob had to do with it making a big impact on me.

just going to the drug store when i was a kid was an education what with all the bloody true crime paperbacks and the freaky "detective" magazines with scary home intruder bondage underwear covers.

"In 1985, the group made national news after becoming involved in an armed stand-off with police. The incident ended when police dropped a bomb on the Osage house from a helicopter. The bombing resulted in 11 deaths, including five children and the group's leader, John Africa. Only two occupants survived, Ramona, an adult and Birdie, a child. In addition, 60 homes were destroyed in the resulting fires."

GOOD LOOKIN' OUT, WILSON.

jesus, this city.

just going to the drug store when i was a kid was an education what with all the bloody true crime paperbacks and the freaky "detective" magazines with scary home intruder bondage underwear covers.

― scott seward, Wednesday, July 6, 2011 12:50 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

omg totally. my mom had a book about billy milligan next to her bed and when i picked it up WOW was i sorry

move people always kinda spooked me when i saw them in philly. especially ramona.

the MOVE thing is legendary for how unusual it was, a mayor bombing his own city

oh yeah i'm not saying they were saints, i'm just saying it takes a special kind of retardedness to drop a bomb on a house full of little kids and highly flammable chemicals.

remember looking at a book about ed gein at the supermarket when i was a kid. big mistake. all the crime scene photos. right next the comic book rack!

jonestown was maybe my first glimpse at the insanity of the world i think. remember just staring at the pictures in time and newsweek and being all freaked out.

Had something close to that feeling for me. I've recently become more interested in the whole story -- more thoroughly reread Raven by Tim Reiterman, who survived the airport attack, having skimmed through it a couple of decades back, along with watching Jonestown: The Life and Death of Peoples Temple. So surreal, so sad. This site's an invaluable resource: http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/

i remember reading about pol pot's execution of son sen's family when i was like 11. it involved tractors and i couldn't get over it.

In 1980, Heidnik gave a note to a guard stating that Satan shoved a cookie down his throat that prevented him from talking. He was silent for the next 2 years and 3 months.[2]

the jonestown death tape is one of the few things is truly unnerve me in the last couple years

took me years to see powers boothe as anyone other than jim jones after that t.v. movie aired.

Re seeing a book about Gein -

That would have had me up for weeks - I was the biggest scardey cat kid ever. I couldn't even watch Unsolved Mysteries because I was afraid all the criminals on the lam were outside my bedroom. One time a babysitter let me watch an episode of the very shortlived Nightmare on Elm Street TV show and I had night terrors for weeks and had to see a sleep specialist. I had to have been at least 10 by then too. I just had a really active imagination and couldn't handle shit like that at all.

the worst part about reading gary heinrik's wikipedia page is realizing that I had read about him before

i didn't know any of this :(

xps i mean the philly stuff.

OK Jess I have no idea what the MOVE thing is. Link?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE

when i was 10 i wrote "REDRUM" with my mom's lipstick on the bathroom wall in front of the mirror after my sister and i watched the shining

for some reason my brain didn't understand the multiple things wrong with this idea

I keep thinking Playstation MOVE

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/93137669.html

Yeah woah I've never even heard of this whole MOVE thing. :/

omg @ redrum

I did that exact same thing after seeing "The Shining" lol

did you write NERAK on a bunch of misty/dirty windows after seeing watcher in the woods too? i did.

I didn't find out about the MOVE thing til I was in my 20s (I think in relation to the Mumia case?) and just couldn't believe it

nothing was more unnerving than waiting for the bus to summer school next to a corn field shortly after watching portions of "Children of the Corn" tho

haha yeah philly didn't really have the most...progressive history with radical groups

love u frank rizzo u lovable fascist

the cleveland serial killer who murdered 11 women and buried them in his yard and in the walls of his house lived less than a mile from me

complete freakout when i googled the street he lived on

but yeah scott s. otm, the jonestown thing was my first wtf is wrong with this world moment that i can remember

not going to look that one up not going to look that one up not going to look that one up

so am

:(

the Cleveland serial killer is just bonkers, like how could that possibly have gone on for so long

Yeah ok I didn't know about this guy either but apparently they made the jury all go on a tour of the house?! Damn.

the smell was blamed on the sausage factory which was next door or close by the house

frat houses can get bad, but come on

note to self: move next to sewage treatment plant if ever become serial killer

chicken and egg there

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_murderers_by_number_of_victims

thanks, wikipedia

Out here the really horrible story of recent years was the Grim Sleeper case, and not just because of the murders themselves. To quote a bit:

In May 2007, the murder of Janecia Peters, 25, was linked through DNA analysis to eleven, possibly twelve, unsolved murders in Los Angeles, the first of which occurred in 1985. The "800 Task Force" was then formed, consisting of seven detectives. After a four-month investigation, the LA Weekly investigative reporter Christine Pelisek broke the news of the secret 800 Task Force, the linking of Peters' killing to a string of murders going back 23 years, and the fact that Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and Police Chief William Bratton had been silent on the killer's existence. The mayor and chief never issued a press release nor warned the South Los Angeles community of the killer's continuing activities. In some cases, the alternative newspaper was the first to inform the families that their daughters had long been confirmed as victims of a serial killer.

Even with the suspect now identified and arrested, it's still not clear how many possible victims there were.

"Child-murderer and rapist, convicted of killing 110 young girls but confessed to killing 300, exact total unknown. Known as "The Monster of the Andes" and sentenced in 1983 but released in 1998, believed to still be killing.[3]"

???

WAY TO GO, PERU

"The Monster of the Andes"

i used to love those little chocolates, i confess...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_farming

whatd u learn abt on wikipedia today

thanks, wikipedia

Well, there goes my afternoon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Dyer

holy. shit.

love u frank rizzo u lovable fascist

― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, July 6, 2011 2:05 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

Rizzo wasnt mayor at the time. This guy, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Wilson_Goode, first black mayor of Philadelphia, was.

Amelia witnessed her mother's violent fits and was obliged to care for her until she died raving in 1848.

hardcore, u know the score

i am aware of that, bill. i referenced mister goode above.

also how could anyone with this face be the greatest mass murderer of children in modern times?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/11/Amelia-dyer.jpg

she looks like either a 19th century kid from kid and play or henry's mom from eraserhead

there was this serial rapist in philly right around when i was working at the foodery beer store in philly and the police came in one day to interview someone i worked with cuz it turned out that the guy they suspected lived above the foodery at one point and they finally caught him out west somewhere. anyway, the one thing i remembered about the newspaper reports - this guy went into a ton of windows in center city - was that the rapist was apparently very well known among THE PEEPING TOM COMMUNITY. or something like that. other peeping toms gave the police info cuz they saw the same people every night and they recognized the police sketch. i had not known about this community in philly.

wait we haven't mentioned Ira yet! can't forget the old unicorn killer. philly legend and all.

"hows the peeping tonight"
"slow, lot of drawn shades. gonna call it a night."

iirc a former ilxor wrote a movie about a fictional peeping tom community in montreal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_murderers_by_number_of_victims

thanks, wikipedia

― goole, Wednesday, July 6, 2011 2:17 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

4 colombians in the top 40! way to go guys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Parker_Ray

holy fucking shit

iirc a former ilxor wrote a movie about a fictional peeping tom community in montreal

― ☂ (max), Wednesday, July 6, 2011 2:35 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark

I was just gonnna mention this

Reality show idea: Casey Anthony and Octomom, in "How did I become Quantomom?"

guys, calm down, serial killers (and their investigators) are notorious for routinely inflating their body counts - solving motive-less crimes is a real bitch, and on the one hand investigators are inclined to assign responsibility for unsolved cases (of which there are A LOT) to whoever they're investigating at the time, and killers are prone to exaggerating their exploits out of a combination of pride/guilt/pathological lying. you'll note that most serial killers are not convicted for scores and scores of murders, their cases usually get narrowed down to the handful (or less) that prosecutors can definitively prove.

hey look someone's watched the wire recently

lol um no

I actually only made it up to season 4 of that show and my opinions on it are um... a bone of contention

did you watch season 4? do i really want to get into this?

I read a lot of serial killer shit in college for some reason

aren't there 5 seasons of the Wire? whichever the last season was, I never watched it

yeah there are five

As of September 2010, two films about Kuklinski were in the works.

* Mickey Rourke will play Kuklinski in a film based on Philip Carlo's biography The Ice Man, Confessions of a Mafia Contract Killer. The film was expected to start shooting in spring 2010 in New York, New Jersey and Florida.[21]
* Michael Shannon will play Kuklinski in the film The Iceman based on Anthony Bruno's book The Iceman: The True Story of a Cold-Blooded Killer. The film will also star Benicio del Toro as Roy DeMeo and James Franco as Robert "Mr. Softee" Pronge.[22]

*eyeroll*

lol @ Shakey being all "what's the big whoop, he probably only got like 12 women in his $100k sex torture dungeon"

NO, mr mo collier, i will NOT CALM DOWN

quit ruining the wikipedia serial killer-themed entertainment shakey mo

they probably murdered only like half of those people *pushes up glasses* such a buzzkill

guys this is a friendly thread about a dead kid come on

lol @ Shakey being all "what's the big whoop, he probably only got like 12 women in his $100k sex torture dungeon"

lol no was referring specifically to that wikipedia page listing killers claiming hundreds of victims, the vast majority of which are undocumented/unproven

I'm more interested in Shakes' undocumented/unproven views on "The Wire."

no we can't go down that road i will just end up yelling

shakey thinks the wire is all right but less good than the sopranos and he thinks it's v conventional in its detectives=good criminals=bad morality.

feel like everyone loves serial killers but spree killers get no credit when in some ways theyre more ambitious

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hansen

(((O_O)))

I know you shouldn't judge people by the way they look but come ON

judging people by the way they look is one of the best ways to judge people

I'm not surprised an Alaska prison would look bleak, pretty and weird all at once:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/SpringCreekEntrance.jpg/800px-SpringCreekEntrance.jpg

Robert "Mr. Softee" Pronge.[22]