best conspirator/villain in the film JFK

Did you ever stop to think about what he was feeling?!

this is hard!

like if we were talking IRL people it's gotta be Hoover (Giancana close second) but in the film some of the other bit parts are way more endearing

i meant to include "the wind that ominously breezes in through the windows just before RFK gets shot, causing Jim Garrison to run into the other room just in time to see RFK lying in a pool of his own blood on TV"

this is hard!

so is this man:

http://www.jfk-online.com/jones.jpg

OH what have we here!?

This poll's a mouse fightin' a gorilla!

you as crazy as your mama, alfred.

goes to show it's in the genes.

this thread is like batshit conspiracy movie catnip to me.

gay hustler in airport bathroom

only in the director's cut, iirc

With all due respect to Willie O'Keefe andOswald impostor played by Frank Whaley, David Ferrie in a walk

my heart says dean andrews but my eyebrows say david ferrie

oh wait, that's john candy, right? yeah I'll give him the silver.

All he wanted in the world was to be a Catlick priest.

if andrews had been thrown off a roof after whimpering "oh mama lord sweet jesus stagger lee" to his killers before he could have testified, it might have been a tighter competition

dean andrews didn't know five languages, science, religion, philosophy, military history...

If Candy was alive I like to think he would have shot 8 seasons of a southern PI series by now

i shouldn't be able to recite such large chunks of a three-plus hour movie with this much dialogue

http://www.movieline.com/1992/08/oliver-stone-the-stone-age.php?page=all

Personally, I found JFK quite engaging, and was very impressed by the performances of Gary Oldman and Kevin Costner. But the film didn’t work for me, because at no point could I even come close to buying Stone’s theory about the assassination. Why did I have so much trouble swallowing the theory that the United States government was in on Kennedy’s assassination? Basically, because of Joe Pesci’s wig.

Joe Pesci is a preposterous-looking guy in the best of times, but that radiant shock of tangerine-hued fabric that was supposed to pass for Pesci’s hair looked like something the wardrobe department bought mail order from Vito’s Hair Research Center on Channel 67. To my way of thinking, if the creep played by Joe Pesci had anything to do with Kennedy’s assassination, the CIA and the mob and the Pentagon and the military-industrial complex and the KGB and Lyndon Baines Johnson and Fidel Castro would have chipped in to give him enough money to buy a better wig. They did not; he wore the ridiculous wig to his interrogation by Kevin Costner; and for me the whole conspiracy theory fell apart right there.

the sad thing is that the more you read about the cia the more you realize the great conspiracies of our time were carried our by guys with bad rugs and all the style of upholstery salesmen

Has that pedant read DeLillo, Le Carre or Legacy of Ashes?

probably, and yet he made a joke about a bad wig in a movie all the same

probably worth letting you know those paragraphs are from a joe queenan essay for movieline riffing on Stone's oeuvre, and not a serious consideration of the JFK conspiracy

i thought it was pretty well established that david ferrie had a terrible wig in real life too but then you go to wikipedia and it's all [citation needed]

History hinges on men with bad/no hair.

Would Kevin Costner had saved Whitney Houston's life in The Bodyguard with longer hair? Doubt it.

i have my own opinions here but really in the end *breaks fourth wall, looks at ilx* it's up to you

Did you ever stop to think about what he was feeling?!

Yeah, where is Liz Garrison on this list?

Pesci as David Ferrie, for inspiring Sean Penn's equally unhinged performance in Carlito's Way: a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigmatic hairpiece. Second place: John Candy, daddy-o.

(Is Larry Hagman listed? I can't figure out which guy he is.)

he's in Nixon!

sloshing a lotta scotch around his mouth

You're right...I'm getting my wires crossed. What about Eric Bogosian's talk-radio host?

People like to act more important than they are.
Especially in the homosexual underworld.
But when they got him...
...I got scared.
Real scared.
That's when I got popped.

omar we all know why YOU'RE a liberal.

Hagman could've been in JFK -- one of the guys around LBJ, like the weird Dr. Strangelove German ("Vee haf to cohntrrol ze intelligence from Saigon").

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I got nuthin' to hide. I'm already in JAIL.

people got to know. people got to know why he was kilt. because he was...a communist.

no pesci no credibility

not being familiar with the homosexual underworld of the 1960s personally, i have to wonder how many nixon voters there were.

You're not a bad lookin' man, Mr. Nixon. Not bad lookin' at all.

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i voted for kevin bacon but honorable mention goes to the guy who shouts YOU HEARD ECHOES -- ECHOES!

echoes guy was fantastic. he looked like he'd been spending a couple hours telling a hundred different people about echoes and at that point just wanted to go home to the wife and kids.

Underrated and unmentioned: Dr. Strangelove NSC guy hissing in German accent, "Vee haf to cahntrol the eentelligence from Saigohn."

well don't let mcnamara start sticking his damn nose in this thing. every time he goes over to saigon on some fuckin fact-finding mission, he comes back and just scares the SHIT outta the president! now i want max taylor on him night and day. like a FLY ON SHIT. you control mcnamera, you control kennedy.

http://www.vh1.com/celebrity/bwe/images/2010/10/Alec-Baldwin-Glengarry-Glen-Ross.jpg

"You want echoes? Go home and play with your kids!"

wish there was a spin-off where candy and costner solve crimes and kevin bacon is their huggy bear

call it a "prequel" series

Now stop eating that damn crab meat for a minute and listen!

"it's franklin & bash meets mad men with a touch of Oz"

frank whaley probably deserved a vote but of course this is an awful field to try to compete in. "gee. i'm sorry. thought i was shooting at that sonofabitch kennedy." [awkward mutual laugh]

the reaction shot of the shooting range owner is the worst in the film

both brothers

Time stands still here, like a snake sunning itself.

you think that's worse than the subsequent Garrisex

i wonder how cameo-crazy epics like this got cast. like frank whaley was already starring in shit like career opportunities, did he actually come in to read for "fake oswald"? did they ASK for frank whaley? is it "walter matthau, would you come in for a day to read this monologue about a hippie girl whose belly reads 'love child'"?

"jack lemmon? it's kenneth branagh? we'd really love you to be guard #2 in my hamlet"

haha i was about to bring that movie up. jack lemmon is terrible in it.

judi dench has no lines.

"kenneth, it's robin williams! i really wanna be in your hamlet! shit i don't even care you got me saying 'a very palpable hit' - i just wanna be a part of this!"

heston, jacobi, richard briers, and guy who plays horatio all great tho.

jfk is pre-email too, so it's not like stone could just bcc the hollywood left

Donald Sutherland basically walked over from the same studio in which he sot his pyro monologue from Backdraft.

*shot

(also julie christie completely nails the description of ophelia's drowning although she can't keep me from wondering what i always wonder which is if you were close enough to compose this breathtaking poem in your head about her slowly sinking into the river why didn't you PULL HER OUT) sorry back to jfk

the homosexual underworld

god i love this movie

that's ALL WE'RE WILLING TO SAY!

If this is a suicide, Jim, I've seen weirder.

i can't think of anything more uncouth

he was a weird-lookin guy. he had these EYEBROWS...

His real name's Frankie Jenkins

that is PRECISELY the point of a long dining table *extends cigarette holder to suggest length of said table*

btw those Cubans' angry Spanish really does sound like angry Cuban Spanish.

that's that oliver stone verisimilitude

an inspired act of god shou ha'ppen

i believe i shall go home and make some etouffee

haha is that what he says

it's been exhausting.

I always thought he said "egg souffle," which is precisely the point of a long dining room table.

i believe i shall go home and make someone service me

I believe I shall go home and paint my body gold while Joe Amadeus Pesci tweaks my nipple.

i believe i shall go home and reorganize my collection of 16mm homoerotic exercise films

I believe I shall go home and – oh! what have we here? more champagne?

I believe I shall go home and both brothers.

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how many viewings did it take for you guys to kill all these brain cells?

apparently it took just one viewing for you

Back and to the left, Morbs.

morbs: 176 at last count.

or maybe just one magic viewing.

wd sooner watch Seinfeld ep for sure

Which viewing went through Wayne Knight's wrist and took a dramatic U-turn into his big thigh?

gay hustler Samuel in the airport bathroom scene is highly underrated imo

that's cuz he's only in the director's cut! i rented it by accident and was blindsided by that prescient moment

amazing how that black ops crew knew garrison was gonna be taking a dump at that precise moment .

I believe I shall go home and both brothers, which is precisely the point of a long dining table.

Love that Oswald is last on this list.

honey it'll be off the record. I'll bring him in on a Sunday. A quiet chat b/w two gentlemen.

I forgot to include "anonymous caller to garrison residence who talks to Jim's daughter and sounds exactly like Clarence from 'it's a wonderful life'.

what kinda man are you?

This movie's been on all wekeend

Son of a bitch there he goes again he's got his hands on the chicken switch

that guy was great, i should have included him specifically.

all those cigars in that scene. never seen so much smoke. except for the smoke wafting over the fence on the knoll.

and a liveried servant serving cocktails

i should watch 'nixon' again to do a similar poll (larry hagman! j edgar! j edgar's poolboy! a jealous clyde tolson!)

I haven't seen Nixon since it came out. sometimes I wonder if it's worth watching again but I'm a little leery

nixon is totally the new jersey

it's getting increasingly hard to remember that oliver stone used to be an omnipresence come awards time and was such a cultural force as a director. his steez really didn't translate well past the mid-'90s at all, probably worse than any other major director of his era. what's been his biggest film since 'nixon'. 'w' maybe? i saw 'wall street 2' and thought it was actually quite well done in a ludicrous way, and could have been something much better minus shia labeouf.

his 'untold history' series is really excellent.

"W" is great, small stakes and small cast as it is. But he's def lost his way as a director.

I watched Wall Street 2 with its intended dinner theatre audience and there a sense that everyone wanted Quality Adult Entertainment and gave the film a lot of chances.

Stone's eminence started to wane with NBK, which was a modest hit and one of those things everyone was talking about until Pulp Fiction. Nixon was the critical comeback, I guess, just to prove he could do JFK again without any of the verve. I saw Any Given Sunday in the theatre but except for some bonecrunching it reminded me of Coppola directing Jack.

*there was a sense

wall street 2 w/all its neon lit NYC and a sneering michael douglas felt like stylistically a 'black rain' redux in some ways. actually it also had a motorcycle driving villain w/josh brolin. ridic movie.

U.S. Gross Numbers Only:

Any Give Sunday - $75,530,832
World Trade Center - $70,236,496
Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps - $52,474,616
W. - $25,534,493
Alexander - $34,297,191
U Turn - $6,633,400

Whoops, W out of turn there, but you get the gist.

i had sort of meant that maybe 'w' was his biggest critical success but then i realized maybe 'any given sunday' was actually critically well received too?

god i didn't know WTC did that well.

If it's planned right, no problem. They got close to De Gaulle.

Eisenhower always rode in open top.

We need three mechanics in three different locations.

An office building, a high-powered rifle.

Triangulation of crossfire, that's the key. That's the key.

A diversionary shot gets the Secret Service looking one way.

Boom! Get the kill shot.

One man has to be sacrificed.

In the commotion, the job gets done.

The others leave the country.

the uncut Alexander made a top-10 list or two this year

Nixon was the critical comeback, I guess, just to prove he could do JFK again without any of the verve

oh vuuuuurve is what you call it, huh

RIP to the man who shook my baby hand in bay ridge in 61 and then got caught slippin in Dallas 54 years ago today. JFK🇮🇪💚🇮🇪

— Colin Quinn (@iamcolinquinn) November 22, 2017

how's your mousse

I often have a friend sit at one end while I sit at the other. It's precisely the point of a long dining table. The splendor of the meal adds to its enjoyment.

That faggot Kennedy won't let us! Our hands are empty -- how CAN we keel him?

I keep waiting for someone to adapt 'American Tabloid/The Cold Six Thousand' into a long form TV show, but it has so many nasty 'swears' - I think it would be too much to film now.

if i could have one hollywood wish granted it would be an 8 season huge budget HBO adaptation of all the ellroy books from black dahlia to blood's a rover

Yeah, where is Liz Garrison on this list?

― ephendophile (Eric H.),

"the subsequent Garrisex"

Alfred, this is gonna haunt me forever

i really missed the boat by not including the FBI agent who bullies and subsequently turns Bill Broussard (portrayed by Wayne Tippit)

i should watch 'nixon' again to do a similar poll (larry hagman! j edgar! j edgar's poolboy! a jealous clyde tolson!)

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