a thread for RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES w/cgi apes, yalies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28Z_D9Grh18

theres a thread for the green lantern so

saw the preview for this before x-men, thought it looked kinda dope honestly

although i suspect the actual movie will spend way too much time on james francos curious george fantasy or w/e

also wonder if one the shots in nyc is lifted from krippendorf's tribe...

http://www.filmposter.net/uploads/tx_dam/posters/large/7244.jpg

Love it when humanity gets its comeuppance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGExIqiXwuo

1.) I like how more triumphant the Rising of the Apes is in this trailer

2.) After this and Deep Blue Sea, humans should give up on trying to cure alzheimers imo

why did they have to cgi the apes? why?

So they don't have to worry about explaining why apes look normal in 1973 but then by 1991 they mostly walk upright and are human size.

I made my dad take me to one of those Go Ape! marathons. (We did not stay for all 10 hours.)

I would go see a movie filled with CGI yalies

cgi is like autotune to me & takes me out of the moment here & there but fuck absolutely anybody who thinks I will not see the living fuck out of a movie called Rise of the Planet of the Apes

T/S: cgi apes vs. cgi zombies

I'm seeing this, with bells on, but on the commercial I saw the apes had that infuriating "this digital object weighs about 5 ounces" cgi syndrome. If Troll Hunter, on its budget, could make its cgi trolls look and feel like they weighed a ton, surely the best cgi money can buy could make these apes look like they exist in gravity-space.

otm, dinosaurs in Tree of Life were also tragically under-gravitised.

x-post - OTM I saw the trailer yesterday and those apes were flying through the air as if they weighed as much as . . . as . . . something really light! I'd probably watch it for LOLs because I was sort of cracking up throughout the trailer.

But the CGI apes are creepy and it has Lithgow too so maybe not.

i am kind of "done" with james franco but the idea of him playing a scientist is so great that i think i will see this

Saw an interview with the main actress from this on The Daily Show last night. I guess in the scenes where they're interacting with the main chimp, it was actually Andy Serkis on set in one of those all-grey motion capture suits. I'd watch an entire non-animated film where they're just talking to a guy in a ridiculous suit, tbh

feel like y'all aren't treating a film where the planet of the apes rises with the respect its due

I guess it's not that close a remake of Conquest of TPOTA, but I assume Lithgow is a Severn Darden-style villain.

no, apparently he's an Alxheimer's sufferer.

i really hope Franco is the Ricardo Montalban character.

I am relieved that Jon Stewart has gone back to interviewing ingenues who act opposite CGI apes, instead of 'important' people.

I'm just happy that the monkey from Jumanji has finally found a comeback role.

i love that this is called rise OF the planet OF the apes

It was originally gonna be called Caesar

then Rise of the Apes, which sounds like a Jane Goodall doc

Rise Re: Planet Re: Apes

It's fun to imagine the physical reaction of the exec who saw that title on the screenplay.

"We can't call it 'Caesar', people will think it's about salad!"

Rise of the Moon

The Dark Knight Rises the Planet of the Apes

zaius premed

literal lol

rising apes

honestly they should just call it Ape Escape

ape fear

still hype for this tho

Yeah me too.

progressive shd call their tea party the Rising Apes

Early critical murmurings are that this is solid.

Somewhere between 2 and 4 on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Stool_Scale then

i think this looks sick as hell

Yeah, this is actually the most entertaining trash I've seen all summer. And the apes aren't 5 ounces at all.

If smart is sexy, Caesar is the sex symbol of the year.

OK, enough pull quotes.

Jeff Wells loves it, so ...?

I mean, it really is complete garbage. But it's fun. Cross-reference Kael's review of Earthquake.

Or her review of anything.

I like the poster w/ the Golden Gate Bridge in flames (shades of the abandoned ending of The Birds), but the apes with their fists raised in the foreground look like they're at Coachella.

lol

well, "fun garbage" means I will be spending my first free afternoon with The Mysteries of Lisbon.

That trailer Gukbe posted is so awesome, I was just laughing in delight the whole way through.

Rise of the Planet of the Apes: Turn Off the Dark

Be down with a musical. Can't Stop the Apes

Caesar, I Hardly Knew Her!

Uh, The Simpsons kinda covered that already

True, true...

I will be spending my first free afternoon with The Mysteries of Lisbon

You are exactly why people root for the apes.

are you calling me... Don Murray?

I long for the days when sci-fi fantasies were written by adults like Michael Wilson and Rod Serling.

(also I thought ppl rooted for the apes bcz they are familiar with humanity)

stupid draco malfoy, you doomed us all.

This looks good.

This Ape's For You

You know, when the apocalypse comes I wouldn't be surprised if Draco Malfoy and James Franco were responsible. At least the movie has got that much right.

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/08/apestop.jpg

That pic reminds me of both Tron and Return To Oz...

Is that Matt Damon?

PETA are annoying imo

“Apes are the heroes of this film, and humans are the villains—and Rupert said he couldn't imagine a worse way of undercutting that message than by using real apes in the movie's production.”

peta do their cause a real disservice IMO

see this would be a great movie if instead of cgi they inserted random footage of chimps wearing dresses and jumping about on tea party tables.

cgi in this movie is terrible, check out this still from the chase scene

http://www.skooldays.com/images/sa1068.jpg

So realistic!

matt leblanc makes a cameo

http://www.ifc.com/news/04122010_MattLeBlancEd.jpg

hope this song is used in the soundtrack!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXmLsdajYow

as does schwimmer!

http://images.wikia.com/friends/images/f/f7/Marcelandross.jpg

http://content6.flixster.com/question/66/54/60/6654604_std.jpg

<3 <3 Clyde <3 <3

Buster Keaton in the 1921 original

http://filmsnobbery.com/files/2011/07/Playhouse.jpg

hope this is the opening credits song tbh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rhs4OCFhXo

http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/2/3/9/9/7/9/1/nicholas-cage-42308144915.png

I can't post images anymore...:( What is the code-y thing these days?

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oh yeah! Thanks!!!

PETA are fools. "Is your dad a fisherman? Ask him why he enjoys murdering fish!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVQRoF0W84o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtU&feature=relmfu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya7IhijXYUQ&feature=relmfu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-0vbvy2ip4&feature=related

Is this in 3-D? Because I will only see movies in 3-D?

If you mean the Apes are 3 dimensional characters than YES.

i haven't seen it btw

This is the 1st time I've ever seen that Lancelot Link video. Fucking amazing. Really, did potheads own the world in the early 70s?

"Lancelot Link" was brilliant. That being said so was "Mysteries Of Lisbon". I would see a Raul Ruiz film with CGI apes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2lSZPTa3ho

Man that baboon is a real asshole!

I mean, I know everyone loves a puppy but you can't just go around stealing them and dragging them off by the tail and then smelling their butts and sitting on them!! It's just not done.

ಠ_ಠ

LOLZ.

Freida Pinto on the Daily Show said she'd still never watched Planet of the Apes o_O and is now the 2nd name on the poster

that the trailer leads with FROM THE EFFECTS COMPANY OF is reason enough to skip this.

did potheads own the world in the early 70s?

why do u think i hate them so?

Kind of amazing that this would come out while Project Nim is still in theatres.

Effects companies are the new Old Hollywood producers xxp

Freida Pinto on the Daily Show said she'd still never watched Planet of the Apes o_O and is now the 2nd name on the poster

― I am Louise Boat (a hoy hoy), Friday, August 5, 2011 12:52 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark

that's sort of weird, it would take her all of 2 hrs to fix this.

this trailer was pretty effective.

this is actually getting pretty good reviews

yeah, i'm planning on seeing it. i dunno if it's the trailer or just the concept, but basically i am down w/ any half-decent movie about apes taking over the world.

I hear C-Hest has a posthumous cameo

hyped for this. distraction.

this is a really good movie

What I said!

you said it was fun garbage... oh, why split hairs.

Liked this a lot. Animal Factory meets Spartacus. A+ noble savage scenario.

ehhhh i'd give it a B

some really bad performances in this, by the real people (not john lithgow)

loved this. especially the ending credits.

dude that played the next door neighbor dad is one of the worst actors ever.

also the Draco Malfoy actor dude's childish playground taunting of the apes was really weird...it was as if like the existence of apes actually offended him.

i liked this a lot. two big problems: (1) frieda pinto's character has nothing at all to do and is entirely extraneous to the plot, more so than even your standard blockbuster love interest; (2) as the narrative arc involving caesar and his ape brethren develops, the arc involving james franco's character stops developing... by the end his motivations are hardly dramatized, more assumed and sort of fuzzy for that.

so many of this big-budget movies lose a lot of force at the climax, i think.

that said, again, i liked this a lot. in particular, *****SPOILERS*****

i really liked the false ending. i thought that they had shirked the whole apocalypse stuff, and the way they brought it back as most folks were already headed toward the theater doors was quite funny -- a lot of folks actually laughed appreciatively.

Conquest of the PotA has an entirely postdubbed 'reassuring' ending.

that's probably the best of the sequels, too.

pinto's character isn't entirely extraneous - her presence is somewhat important to caesar's development, showing how happy franco is with her and emphasizing caesar's loneliness, giving him less of a reason to return home.

i didnt think any of the actors were really bad, aside maybe from pinto who had nothing to work with - i found it instructive that even brian cox was boring, which is hard to do. it's not a movie about people so it worked fine for me, but maybe it would've been better if the human characters were more textured. at the same time there's nothing to, i guess, distract you from the emotion of caesar's character arc, which is pretty powerful

i liked that after a certain point it basically became papillon with apes. the visual storytelling in those scenes was great. i ended up thinking of king kong a few times, weta's other soulful-ape-gazing-longingly-into-someone's-eyes movie. this is a much better movie, and the tech has really improved since then. i thought the 'twist' about 2/3 of the way in was deftly handled, and i actually yelled out 'oh shit!' during that scene

this was ok, thought ending unsatisfying

i thought we were headed for act 3 and then the credits started

*Spoilers*

I was satisfied, like amateurist said, by the 12 Monkeys-esque tag in the first few minutes of the credits. The whole apocalypse thing was so subtlety done, loved it.

Also the scene with the apes holding and using makeshift spear-like weapons made from metal bars was \m/

Oh and the insertion of the Icarus flight was awesome, with the newspaper breifly being zoomed in on with the words "Lost in Space"?

wait there was a twist?

*spoilers*

Not really...the apocalypse thing that was only hinted at earlier is expanded upon, and they show the infecte pilot dropping blood on the floor, a shot of the Flight Status board, and a map showing where the epidemic spread.

But that wasn't really a twist cos we already knew it was gonna happen

anyone else think that was an oblique reference to spread of AIDS virus? not to mention chimp origins...

yea I muttered that to myself in the theatre....

for those who have no idea what i'm talking about

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simian_Immunodeficiency_Virus

"Unlike HIV-1 and HIV-2 infections in humans, SIV infections in their natural hosts appear in many cases to be non-pathogenic."

also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaëtan_Dugas

lol yea when I was yammering with someone about this last night I referred to the pilot as "Patient Zero". good observation!

so i guess the next film (if there is one) will be a war b/t apes and humans with the disease playing a major role in weakening human civilization?

at this point it doesn't make much sense to skip ahead to the story told in the original film since the element of surprise is lost.

this whole sci-fi conceit has so much potential, even the first film (which is a mixed bag IMO) makes me regret all the missed opportunities. esp. with what we now understand about evolution, primate cognition, etc.

Perrin:

Some reviewers compare the new Apes film to Spartacus, both of which feature slave revolts. Apes is more radical because it's contemporary. It targets Big Pharma, animal abuse and human arrogance, inviting viewers to cheer on their own destruction. This is particularly refreshing given the endless alien invasion movies where humans always fight for survival. In Apes, we're the violent aliens. Our occupation starts to crumble as greed and cruelty consume us. We have it coming.

http://dennisperrin.blogspot.com/2011/08/chaotic-masters.html

but the apes aren't slaves!

the whole attack on corporate greed is pretty much standard issue for big studio films! tom shone's book blockbuster gets into this.

but yeah spartacus parallels are obvious. perrin wins a cookie.

as with the 1st planet of the apes the films diagnose greed/venality as basic human condition thus sort of passing the buck from specific human agents (e.g. big pharma) to "human nature"

i was kinda wondering how it will tie in, because the original film implied that the humans destroyed themselves with nukes (and didn't necessarily indicate an ape uprising occurred). wouldn't think the apes would need to use nukes for any reason other than to speed up the humans dying...

i think the producers claim this new film isn't in continuity with the first one. stepping back a bit, nuclear paranoia was a la mode in 1968, not so much now (even though the risks of nuclear conflagration. aren't necessarily much diminished). actually in the same vein although AIDS is still an epidemic, using it as "subtext" for a major film seems very 1980s or 1990s, somehow. weird how these existential fears exhibit trendlines...

yea some Apes fan nerds have indicated this plot is similar to but contradicts Conquest a bit so it is a bit in its own timeline...

another thing i liked about this film: it held the sentimentalization of the apes in check. now some was inevitable--this isn't werner herzog ca. 1970, this is a major franchise for news corp. but i think that while some anthropomorphizing was going on even before the miracle drug (esp. in the expressivity of gesture and facial expression, not to mention group behavior) it could have been much worse, and to a surprising extent the "beasts" are allowed to be beasts.

there was one moment where Caesar is sitting atop the rock watching everyone play where I expected the orangutan to kiss his hand and say "Don Corleone"....

*spoilerz*

and a map showing where the epidemic spread.

oh i totally didn't see the map somehow

it was during the credits after the first clip...it was buried underneath scrolling names.

directors are gonna start pissing people off with this 'after film' crap soon

maybe i'll keep people in the theater for the credits, paris-style.

[btw this shit == http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_aids == is k-interesting]

on another note, I did find it a little weird that a neighbor that was so OTT temperamental and high strung as the neighbor would have the patience to be a pilot.

i agree! pilots are usually pretty chill in my experience.

oh man i didn't even realize that the hard luck neighbor was the pilot

i've lost the ability to follow james franco movies about ape disaster, gonna just withdraw from society and consume only my little pony-related media now

well it didn't flop afterall

i remember loling at I HAVE TO BE AT THE AIRPORT, I'M A PILOT

chekov's aggro pilot

this was AWESOME once the focus shifted to the apes

on another note, I did find it a little weird that a neighbor that was so OTT temperamental and high strung as the neighbor would have the patience to be a pilot.

― Neanderthal, Sunday, August 7, 2011 6:26 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

to be fair, he did live next to a house with a live chimp

chekov's aggro pilot

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, August 7, 2011 7:49 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark

^lol

i get this image of him like getting angry at his stewardess while flying his plane and deliberately sending it into freefall to get back at her....

also lols to HOOS

also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaëtan_Dugas

― by another name (amateurist), Sunday, August 7, 2011 1:36 PM (8 hours ago) Bookmark

please refer to him as The Griddler

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ga%C3%ABtan_Dugas&oldid=420463332

wait there was a twist?

― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Sunday, August 7, 2011 12:09 PM (10 hours ago) Bookmark

i was referring to

SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

caesar talking

awesome scene imo

hell yea. I cheered in my seat.

though that was after me guffawing at Draco Malfoy boy saying Heston's line...

SPOILERS Y'ALL

you mean the 1st time he spoke or the time he gets all cozy in james franco's ear and is like 'naw, dude, i'm home'?

i guess they _had_ to show him talking, right, to set up talking monkeys in future installments.

but, chimp physiognomy doesn't allow for forming the kinds of sounds humans form, no? it would take 100,000s of years of evolution if not much more for that to happen.

bro are you for real questioning the science behind a film called RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES

HA

the first time he spoke, to draco malfoy

"What movie climbed to the top of the box office this weekend? That and sports coming up after this break."

I dug this - it actually felt too short. And yes, plaussibility be damned, the "NO!" moment was the best thing I've seen in a multiplex in some time. It's been a long time since I heard a multiplex audience go that quiet.

People laughed in my viewing, though about twenty percent of the crowd had cell phones out during the entire thing. Douches.

the "NO!" moment was the best thing I've seen in a multiplex in some time

yeah this really was stunning

this was AWESOME once the focus shifted to the apes

― thick-necked and hateful (latebloomer), Sunday, August 7, 2011 8:07 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

what even happened to whats her name, she straight up disappeared

and yes the effects are stunning; all movies w/ even vaguely humanoid CGI creatures should go with motion-capture. always. I'm not sure how much credit should go to Serkis or to the animators, but, wow.

Caesar's facial expression after he grabbed dude's friend in the cell was just...lethal.

yahhh so good

i wanna see this again

http://www.facebook.com/pages/RIP-Buck-From-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/157763104300170

wish they had made this in IMAX 3-d

Didn't really like this...besides one of those revelatory "oh look what they can do with CGI now" moments (now less revelatory than they used to be) there wasn't much that wasn't familiar from half a dozen fear-of-technology don't-play-god humans-are-the-real-animals blockbusters.

Followed up RotPotA by watching Project Nim, which was thematically similar but far more entertaining.

see, i liked that they wisely played down the scientific hubris angle in favor of making it a more personal story

i do need to see project nim

Armond loves it

http://nypress.com/blogs/article-22712-rebirth-of-the-b-movie.html

http://seeker401.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/four-horsemen-apocalypse.jpg

'i was on the fence about seeing this, but now armond white has praised it, i think i'll buy a ticket' - second-weekend filmgoers everywhere

armond's just setting up a heel turn down the line

just me

xp

"The now overrated Rise of the Planet of the Apes"

haha yes

the trailer for this makes it look a lot dumber/campier than it actually is

I love that it was able to play the story straight without getting too self-important, and Caesar was awesome, they were able to pull off so much only having his facial expressions to work with, which isn't really easy for CGI

These actors’ symbiosis gives substance to the film’s satirical proposition on evolution—the naturalness of Rodman's multiculti romance with veterinarian Frieda Pinto as well as with Caesar; the dangerous similarity of Rodman's hubris and his boss David Oyelowo’s greed. (“You make history, I make money!”)

oh my god

yeah that's pure Armondbot

you'd be better off trying to parse the gibberish that comes out of the adults on the peanuts TV specials than reading armond white

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU

http://thehairpin.com/2011/08/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-a-response

• Caesar just reached into a fridge to grab a can of deadly virus, the dude behind us shouted “FOUR LOKO!” and I laughed my head off.

ahaha

And yes, plaussibility be damned, the "NO!" moment was the best thing I've seen in a multiplex in some time. It's been a long time since I heard a multiplex audience go that quiet.

Same thing happened here, there was a pretty obvious callback to the original movie that got people laughing and cheering a bit, so yeah it was pretty stunning how dead silent everything got after that. I figured they were kind of owed something ridiculous and powerful like that since they managed to play everything so straight until that point.

this was great. been so long since i've seen a really great summer/blockbuster type of movie i forgot how fun they can be.

and yeah the NO moment was pretty awesome--i found myself actually kind of moved by the revolutionary angle of the plot. and the gorilla's death (shades of King Kong) was actually really moving as well.

The final battle was especially well done, to the point you were truly actively afraid for the life of every single ape (at least I was). and I liked that they were trying to get OUT of the city and into the wilderness, and that this was the geography of the battle.

Yeah, my wife kept saying that, "wait, that was all they wanted? Why not just call the movie A Bunch of Apes?"

Well, they weren't exactly planning with long-term goals in mind

Based on the title and trailer, I thought "destroy all humans" might be one such goal

I think that unless the movie was 3 hrs long (which i would have been on board for) it would have had too much on its plate to show the entire uprising or war or whatever is supposed to come next. it's also a question of tone and how much dark irony the audience is on board for--when it gets past the point of liberation and on to the active destruction or self-destruction of human civilization. though im guessing any sort of sequel will frame it as the humans stupidly and needlessly provoking their own destruction.

another thing i really liked about this movie was how much non-verbal storytelling there was.

What is the political metaphor for this movie? Seriously -- did you feel any while you were watching? I still haven't had time to see it btw.

i though it pretty much avoided any easy allegorical or metaphorical meanings other than the pretty classic one of a revolution. the leader of the ape revolution is named after Shakespeare's (not history's) Caesar, so perhaps there is something to go on there. but i really loved that the movie played it pretty straight.

I don't know if it had a political metaphor -- most of what it had were a bunch of references to the original movie -- such as little Caesar playing with a statue of liberty toy.

Maybe some commentary on big pharma here and there. The 'boss' of the firm is your typical "I'm not interested whatsoever unless we can get the board's approval and therefore make lots of money" whereas Franco's character just wants to cure his Dad (I guess). I thought they'd do a lot of "some things, only God were meant to change" type dialogue but IIRC there's only really one line like that.

xp - plus the newspaper with the "mars mission lost in space" reference, I thought that was very clever

I thought they'd do a lot of "some things, only God were meant to change" type dialogue but IIRC there's only really one line like that.

isn't that half of the love interest's dialog?

Yeah, that seemed to be the only point of her character.

Plus she looked nice

isn't that half of the love interest's dialog?

yeah, that was one of her two or three lines

the newspaper with the "mars mission lost in space" reference, I thought that was very clever

― frogbs, Tuesday, August 16, 2011 8:45 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark

was this a ref to the heston character's mission? i was sort of at a loss, was he going to mars in the orig? i forget

He was not! It was an intentional light-years time travel trek.

In fact Heston tells the mute-savage girl that the female astronaut who died "was to be the new Eve... with our hot and eager help." Sounds like his NASA was way more groovy than the real one.

I think that space mission thing was just a wink and a nod in the background. They're not going to remake the original movie.

they already did iirc

Right, I don't see how they could make it into the original movie at this point. It really is a reboot as much as, say, the new Batman movies are.

re: political metaphor, there is a great scene i havent really seen any commentary on where caesar creates a fasces

another thing i really liked about this movie was how much non-verbal storytelling there was.

― ryan, Tuesday, August 16, 2011 4:34 PM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah, absolutely. and how well done it was!

In fact Heston tells the mute-savage girl that the female astronaut who died "was to be the new Eve... with our hot and eager help." Sounds like his NASA was way more groovy than the real one.

― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, August 16, 2011 5:18 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark

lol, i forgot about that. the only clunker in that movie for me was when he told Cornelius at the end to never trust anyone over 30...

they already did iirc

Yeah but I meant in this timeline/series/whatever

where caesar creates a fasces

! don't remember this

In the book the space mission is a long journey to some far-off star like Betelgeuse*, complete with suspended animation, near light-speed travel and time dilation (ie only time travel in the relativistic sense): which is why he's so disorientated when he arrives, because he doesn't know where or when he is. Haven't seen the film properly for an age, so no idea how different this element has become.

*They went here all the time in the SF books of my youth -- no one ever even mentions it in films these days.

i blame tim burton

when he told Cornelius at the end to never trust anyone over 30...

actually, Heston tells Zira's adolescent nephew this.

They could never eally 'faithfully' film Boulle's original book, bcz it IS a distant planet, with its own language, etc. The modern ape cities would be easier to do though.

ah i thought i had it wrong

I enjoyed this fine enough, but I also thought it largely incoherent. Didn't think it was fair how poorly it stacked the decks in favor of the apes, what with the people so stupid. Did appreciate the subtle end of the world hint drops and also the similarly subtle reveal that this movie takes place in the near future. Didn't appreciate the angry asshole neighbor as this sort of generic default multi-purpose antagonist.

CGI was pretty solid.

is the original novel any good?

i enjoyed this more than i thought i would, tho i was baffled by how the orangutan just happened to be super-intelligent, too.

Circus Orangutan, duh.

Baffled by lots of things, tbh. But I just went with it.

Let fiction logic ease yr doubting soul xp
I liked this; it was fun; needed more apocalypse tho

the political and social metaphors are pretty fast and furious -- it borrows from a lot of stuff, alludes to a number of typical sci-fi allegorical scenarios. i think that's par for the course w/ blockbuster movies. they are intentional nonspecific and convoluted. this one was more sure-footed than most, and i don't think it was nearly as incoherent, thematically, as today's big movies (or hell, small movies too) tend to be. that's not the same thing as saying it has a "message" or is politically "correct" or anything.

don't know why or when it became a critical canard to expect a blockbuster movie to have a single identifiable "metaphor" -- seems like a hangover from 1980s critical theory stuff.

the apocalypse will be in the next movie duh.

haha yeah i know. i made the "looking forward to the sequel to Rise of the Planet of the Apes" joke in fb the other day bc that is a hilarious joke to me. some people did not get it. i guess because there will be probably be a new movie that is a sequel, and that that is somehow an okay thing to do...

i did like the ridiculous simplicity of the non-science in this movie. Like, Dr. Franco takes his monkey and goes home, five years pass, then he suddenly brings in the next iteration of the experimental virus ... that he made at home? That Caesar the monkey helped with? That the pretty Dr. lady from who knows a lot about apes helped with? Who knows! Who cares! All I know is it kept the movie under two hours. There were lots of other lazy blockbuster tropes in this pretty atypical blockbuster, too, but again, I figured they were invoked for the sake of efficiency. Like a San Fran with no traffic, Dr. Franco making it to the ape confrontation on the bridge just in time, the pointlessly evil monkey jail keep Malfoy (though I guess he is a Slytherin). Most amusingly, and this says more about me, I was starting to have trouble with the typical evil greedy corporation speak ... until they reveal it's the not so distant future, and which point I shrugged and figured, yeah, that's where we're likely heading.

I guess I meant thematic incoherence above. I didn't understand the point, assuming there was even supposed to be a point. But I appreciated the apes a whole lot. My favorite moments were all in the nuances of Caesar's awareness. Like when he sees the dog on the leash, fingers his own collar, and for the first time considers he may be a pet.

when did they reveal it was the future?

Logic. Franco isn't a doctor now, needs to study at least a couple of years to become one = it's in the near future.

xpost In the fleeting mention of the first manned mission to Mars.

oh, right

You guys noticed that Malfoy and the other dude were sons of the guy running the monkey habitat, right? Malfoy was such a dick because he didn't want to be there.

i love that actor dude will be called "Malfoy" instead of whatever his real name is for the rest of his life.

I did catch that Malfoy was the son, yeah. But it takes a certain type of person to abuse animals. I guess the son of an abusive monkey keeper would be the type. Still, I would have appreciated a bit of motivation beyond "monkeyphobe," he was such an ass. That's what I meant about the deck being stacked so far in the apes' favor; who didn't want to see that dude get his?

How'd the smart apes encourage all those zoo monkeys to join the melee? What was the point of the melee? Didn't Caesar just want to lead them all to the forest? I can think of more subtle ways for such a smart, sneaky chimp to do that than leaving behind a path of destruction.

Like how the police didn't really blink twice about these super-smart apes taking over. Maybe in the near future this happens all the time.

Anyway, so many shortcuts and flaws, so many lapses in logic and continuity, but I still went with it. Certainly better than 95% of the "Apes" franchise.

i was so stunned when it ended cause it was like 'wait, thats really where they're gonna end this thing?'

c ridin the police horse was a pretty rad 'batman puts on the suit' moment tho

i kinda wanted the screen to flash "Intermission", go off and grab some snacks, come back in and watch people with superflu monkey disease slowly dying while apes run past them, taunting

You guys noticed that Malfoy and the other dude were sons of the guy running the monkey habitat, right? Malfoy was such a dick because he didn't want to be there.

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yeah, i think this was the motivation. he resented having to spend his days working with smelly monkeys.

also yeah it takes practice to ride a horse guess those drugs were pretty good.

All I know is, those monkeys better not give the horses that drug, or they're doomed. Rise of the Planet of the Equus!

Will sensitive animal rights types like myself be upset by scenes in this movie, ie elctrodes in brains, shocking monkeys, etc? Or is there just good old comfortable slaughter of humans for me to enjoy?

PETA award winning!

the apes are cgi iirc

andy serkis, on the other hand, was subjected to unimaginable cruelty

lol

hahaaa

it wasn't even for the sake of the role, he just wanted to be tortured

can i just say i'm real happy every time this comes up in my bookmarks

good title styling, well done

hahaa: http://thehairpin.com/2011/08/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-a-response

That link is 100% otm, but I still like the movie, which means it got the ratio of silly to serious down just right. That is, it was super serious about a silly subject, rather than be silly about a serious subject. Except for all the monkeys jumping through windows.

My in-laws saw this movie this past weekend and I was treated to a stern 15 minute lecture on the evils of Draco Malfoy.

that review is amazing

Ha that hairpin review-comic is my friend Lisa, she is so amazing and hilarious.

Just watched this movie at home thanks to (judging from the subtitles) the russian mafia.

Fucking AWESOME, I take back everything bad I've ever said about CGI. Yeah there were some big leaps for the sake of keeping the plot sprinting along, but goddamn if it doesn't makes me wanna use ridic terms like "movie magic".

Finally got to a $6 matinee. I thought this was reasonably good fun, and likely the best animated film I will see this year. It helped that after yesterday's police actions in NYC, I was loving all the cop smackdowns at the climax.

Esp liked, besides Caesar/Serkis, the orangutan, and that he was named after Maurice Evans.

But did they really need Brian Cox for that nothing part? And while the Bad Neighbor megajoke during the end credits was neat, it was a bit queasily evocative of Patient Zero and AIDS.

ok, I see u guys mentioned the AIDS echo, I figured so.

directors are gonna start pissing people off with this 'after film' crap soon

Yes! I love it when the wingdings who bolt instantly miss stuff.

also never heard of 'Draco Malfoy', another role that coulda been filled at the Pasadena Playhouse.

when did they reveal it was the future?

xpost In the fleeting mention of the first manned mission to Mars.

lol, not OUR future.

our PAST future

finally saw this, it was great. are they doing a sequel though? I don't think they need to; they'd either have to redo the first movie for the third time (lame) or do something entirely different. also the apes are already totally sympathetic so it would be difficult to move them into antagonist territory. I'd be happy with this film as a one-off.

yes, Fox is just going to let the Apes brand lie dormat after this film made $XXX million, thou innocent.

haha. true. in fact I just looked it up and they have already planned multiple sequels. sounds like it will diverge significantly from the previous films which is good.

Director Rupert Wyatt:

"There's so much we could do … The ideas I've had are all sorts of things, ranging from 'Full Metal Jacket' with apes … you could start this story again eight years from where we left off, the next generation of apes, those that have come from our protagonists, perhaps going in to a conflict with humans and showing real fear, in the same way as going into war for young soldiers in this day and age, telling their story. Or how apes are taking over cities, and being moved into human environments and having to interact with them and deal with things that are part of our culture and understand and evolve through them. Spies that are in the employ of the apes, working against humans and humans maybe existing underground, because that's a way they can avoid the virus, coming up above ground wearing gas masks, and maybe that's what dehumanizes them."

ranging from 'Full Metal Jacket' with apes

"...hello, Cheetah."

suggests some of the grunts may have the decency to give the DI a reacharound.

They did lay out the foundations to do a modern remake of the original movie by having the whole background information about the rocket to Mars being lost.

Tim Burton did that! Like less than a decade ago.

the entire kubrick oeuvre should be redone with apes

man this movie was so dope. occupy banana street!

occupy banana street!

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lmao plz let this be in the thread title to the sequel

Watched this last night. Ludicrous fun!

NOOO

Haha, I watched this last night too, courtesy of Redbox! It was a lot better than I was expecting it to be.

this was hilarious. i didn't know about the post-credits ending though, so we stopped after the harry & the hendersons one.

anyone remember what the deal is with the pittsburgh steelers-esque symbol that caesar draws on his cell wall?

It was a window wasn't it?

ohhhh of course. i am dumb.

Watched this the other day. It was cheesy as hell and the CG was really bad but I enjoyed the second half and all the APE REVENGE.

the CGI was about as good as it gets nowadays WTH

I guess, it still looked really fake.

i thought the orangutan looked incredible

the CGI was about as good as it gets nowadays WTH

― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, February 20, 2012 3:14 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I guess, it still looked really fake.

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well, yeah.

when caesar befriended buck the gorilla (arguably the most sympathetic character in the movie) and it was revealed that he just wanted to play, my girlfriend leaned over and whispered "MY NAME'S BUCK, AND I LIKE TO PLAY".

the cg seemed a little unconvincing in the opening scene, but after that i was on board. cosign on the orangutan.

and not like it matters at all in this movie, but what were they even trying to say happened with the initial test chimp & her baby (caesar)? franco & his assistant were acting like they had no idea that she was pregnant or had a baby.

Yeah that was kinda WTF... they run dozens of blood serum tests weekly on their animals and signs of pregnancy doesn't show up on the lab panels?

the only cgi that really irked me in this was when they did those telltale sweeping impossible epic camera moves that f/x movies can't seem to resist.

otherwise the movie's well-made enough to where the effects aren't distracting even when they're not 100%. they're actually used in service of telling a story.

i watched this movie last night and realized at the end that i had no idea what anyone's name was outside of Caesar and Steve Franklin

kinda loved this

everything on the bridge is so great

yeah. the CGI was fantastic throughout.

this is how to make great goofy films imo

really surprised at how much i enjoyed this, glad i hadn't looked at this thread before seeing it

saw this on a plane a while back and then on HBO tonight. the CGI and some of the face acting bugs me on occasion but who gives a shit forever, the apes fucking rise, movie delivers the damn goods, would rise again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_9-3Fj3ZdI

the apes fucking rise, movie delivers the damn goods, would rise again

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otm

Apes better dawn in this movie or me and aero are gonna have words.

LOL that sentient smart killer apes would don warpaint, as if being sentient smart killer apes wouldn't be enough to strike fear into the hearts of people.

maybe they just think it looks cool?

don't apes have to dawn before they rise?

Can't have dawn w/o a sunrise so I think the order checks out

Let Me In was ok so hopefully Reeves doesn't fuck it up, because Rise was unexpectedly awesome.

This thread always has me scratching my head over what 'yalies' means.

james franco attended yale university

Patrick Doyle soundtrack for Rise of... continues to delight me. Giacchino is doing Dawn of... and I kinda hope he goes for some of his primitivist chamber ensemble tricks a la the shit he did for Lost.

finally saw this after hearing so many good things about Dawn -- honestly I think I had avoided this when it first came out bc I still had bad feelings over being Burtoned

cool as shit -- that gorilla dude jumping off the bridge into the helicopter and going full Terminator OMG yes

so now I'm psyched for the sequel

didn't want to clog up the other thread with my bullshit so that's why I put this here :)

totally cool as shit. I hope I get to see Dawn in the theater but there's every chance ($, time, wife's tinnitus) I will have to wait for streaminz.

Have been listening to tons of ape OSTs the last few days (Doyle, Elfman, Giacchino, Goldsmith and Rosenman the elephants in the room, saving em for when I'm in a better mood).

just saw this too cause the sequel reminded me that i wanted to see it

good! except for the last act being the jump into total ridiculous rushed fan service garbage and the ending too (i was hoping to see franco's face get ripped off way to half-ass it) i am cool with movies that blame our impending apocalypse on big pharma and james franco

tom felton's american accent was horrible and his "paws" line was so forced and shitty

have no desire to see dawn of the rise of the eve of the conquest of the planet of the apes

also loved the reveal that caesar is a big daniel bryan fan