reverse sexism

one place i work at, theres a guy who also works there, everyone else there is female, including the boss. hes not the most junior member of staff, but he ends up doing all the cleaning duties, tea/coffee making and all the stuff you would expect an intern or newest person to do (even then it would be shitty). its almost comical, the boss will ask him directly to make coffee for her/everyone. and honestly, i think its cos hes the only guy there. i mean, im there too but im not employed by them, i just share the space, so i dont have to do any of that stuff he does. i think hes pissed off about it and tired of the place in general but i wonder if he thinks of it as sexism. i think it is. anyone experienced anything like this?

could also add that this might be the same in lots of arts fields/offices - i remember going for interviews before, and whether it was film, publishing (but ESPECIALLY publishing), or magazines, it seemed like the ratio of women to men was pretty high, compared to a lot of other industries. women def seem to dominate the arts.

I couldn't work somewhere with so many BLOODY WOMEN in it. Just imagine...

I've worked in offices where I'm the only guy before. Charity sector.

There's more men where I'm working now but women probably still predominate. IME women tend to get treated worse by female bosses than male employees do.

Is it reverse sexism or is it just sexism?

imo there is no such thing as "reverse" sexism, or "reverse" racism. It only goes one way, from the top down. What you are describing is maybe better termed as discrimination.

well in this office, the women seem to get treated just fine. well by just fine, i mean as crappily as everyone else really. not that people are being treated like dirt, but but that boss is pretty fearsome, and when shes around, staff convo is near non existent. im not used to it.

yes its just sexism. but i put the reverse in there cos, yknow, its still a bit different, and something you dont hear about often.

"I couldn't work somewhere with so many BLOODY WOMEN in it. Just imagine..."

HAHA

its like that big brother series with that guy ziggy - he thought he was in for a treat with all those women and him the only man. little did he know....

i actually used to think working with all women would be great. but i think its only great if youre the only man and youre the boss.

Oh man this thread has promise. Who's going to take care of the clusterfuck thread capsule summary?

i dress as a woman to avoid this

yes its just sexism. but i put the reverse in there cos, yknow, its still a bit different, and something you dont hear about often.

I think the point sleeve was making was that the kind of sex discrimination you are talking about should not be called sexism. full stop. that word being reserved for men discriminating against women. I think that's what he meant anyway.

xxp

http://www.latinoreview.com/images/stories/550w_movies_horrible_bosses_aniston.jpg

This thread will end well.

i didnt read sleeves post, was responding to the previous point. but sure, i can agree with that.

who tips during work meals out?

http://forums.kingdomofloathing.com/vb/customavatars/avatar146770_1.gif

batsignal

Oh man this thread has promise. Who's going to take care of the clusterfuck thread capsule summary?

I want the record to reflect that underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned did not take the bait on this one

Wasn't trying to bait anyone, just basically trying to say the same thing Alfred did.

hey let's talk about the guy who's suing UCL because he feels his gender studies course was corrupted by endemic anti-male sexism!!

waht

imo there is no such thing as "reverse" sexism, or "reverse" racism. It only goes one way, from the top down. What you are describing is maybe better termed as discrimination.

i don't think this is true - people can be sexist towards men, as they can towards women. there also is not one single "top down" - while in our culture as a whole there's a tendency for women to be the ones who bear the brunt of sexism, this isn't the case in every situation. i guess you could say that titch's example more suits the idea of "reverse sexism" because this features a man being made to do stuff that's long been considered "women's work" e.g. making the tea, doing the cleaning, so you might assume that at least someone in the office gets a kick out of that role reversal.

i am glad i am leaving the house now and won't have to see what happens to this thread, whether clusterfuck or no.

i'm sorry neighbour, mookieproof gave teh loud lols

sad day for the internet when a person cant make a legit post without people saying they are baiting.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/sep/14/gender-studies-male-blaming-bias

batsignal

― mookieproof, Monday, 19 September 2011 16:46 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

ROFL!

guys you know we don't ~have~ to make this a clusterfuck

new board description

"to have a good time.. Oh no.."

xpost.

lol Mark

Patriarchy theory – the idea that men typically "dominate" women – is omnipresent, when research shows women tend to boss men interpersonally. Texts highlight misogyny but never misandry, its anti-male equivalent – despite research finding that women verbalise four times more misandry than men do misogyny. And the core texts highlight violence against women only, despite decades of research showing that women are more likely to initiate domestic violence.

I wish I had time to follow the links he included but in lieu allow me to say this: "lol"

"guys you know we don't ~have~ to make this a clusterfuck"

thank you.

omg his link is a Youtube video *dies happy*

"hey let's talk about the guy who's suing UCL because he feels his gender studies course was corrupted by endemic anti-male sexism!!"

reminded of the character in the corrections who teaches feminism and womens theory then feels better when he goes to see some prostitutes as the pressure and burden of his classes can finally be released

dying at mookieproof's post

and honestly, i think its cos hes the only guy there.

I like how this is the assumption. Could be coincidental or some other dynamic in play since, you know, you don't actually work there?

MH you buffoon it is a vast XX chromosome conspiracy

Maybe this guy just really likes making tea.

maybe he is nearest the tea

i used to make the tea more often than anyone else, in an office full of women, but i think this is because i drink like thirty cups of tea a day

http://forums.kingdomofloathing.com/vb/customavatars/avatar146770_1.gif

Maybe he is a "teabagger"

msixes

"misandry"

i guess you could say that titch's example more suits the idea of "reverse sexism" because this features a man being made to do stuff that's long been considered "women's work" e.g. making the tea, doing the cleaning, so you might assume that at least someone in the office gets a kick out of that role reversal.

this sounds reasonable to me, though i think it's less to do with the actual work and more to do with being singled out to do it that's making it appear to be sexist---i think if the boss was having the guy change all the lightbulbs or fix the plumbing or chop wood in the conference room it'd basically scan the same. but, yeah, could be just that the boss is a bully and picks on this guy for reasons that have nothing to do with his gender, who knows

anyway, "reverse sexism" as a thing seems to happen so infrequently that it doesn't seem like it's worth worrying about? esp since men enjoy so much structural privilege (or w/e)? i mean the only example (barely) i've encountered was when i was living in aspen---it was vogue fashion week, and a guy i worked with somehow got in to some private party. he was a tan, handsome ski bro in a room full of powerful middle-aged women and he said he felt like a piece of meat, ladies were straight ogling. i think it was educational for him.

i'm more interested ("interested") in the ooky internet popularity of men's-lib: reddit is a hotbed for this, and there's always stories popping up about jilted ex girlfriends using rape accusations to get back at their boyfriends, and other bullshit. hella creepy, but totally unsurprising i guess (lol dudes on the internet)

this dude needs to man up imo

ooohhh i get it its ironic bcuz hes the office 'bitch'

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23983895-former-student-sues-lse-over-its-gender-bias-against-men.do

anyway, "reverse sexism" as a thing seems to happen so infrequently that it doesn't seem like it's worth worrying about? esp since men enjoy so much structural privilege (or w/e)?

yeah mainly this. i don't think that this would steamroll the validity of situations in which a guy was mad about being apportioned tasks, unfairly, on account of his gender (i can't really think of this scenario but i guess it exists), but the fact that it seems remarkable that the arts might be predominantly populated by women* implicitly speaks to the extent that generally you expect it to be the other way around, that all other fields are, uncontroversially, the other way, etc etc etc. i think with any of these judgments you also have to interrogate what someone's role/level/status actually entails; in my previous tea-making role at an arts organisation, i did a lot of setting up conference rooms & making tea & painting walls, all while i should have been researching!, but they were things that it was easier for me to do, rather than someone comparatively junior, just because of the nature of my role; the actual administrator was involved in bills & phonecalls & spreadsheets that weren't so easy to dip in and out of, so the 'hierarchy' wasn't actually the determining factor so much as the nuances of mobility and nature of work, etc, and i think it's kinda like that in a lot of small offices.

* even this - our director was female but this wasn't a high-status thing liberated from gender politics, & in which you'd still have to contend with the typical kinda boys club nature of boards & advisors & ability to speak freely in meetings &c&c&c

anyway go make the tea you get tea & you get to just lean on the counter in the kitchen for two minutes and zone out & be enthralled by milkbombing someone's tea

Looking only at the OP and its anecdotal description, I'd say that it sure looks like some kind of sexism to me. This falls under the general heading of Power Corrupts. It isn't surprising to me that the corruption can take this particular form.

In real life I sometimes hear women say snarky and demeaning things about men, as if they thought this somehow raised them to a higher level, but these are seldom women I would want to spend any length of time with.

work in an office that's female oriented, we all know how the kettle works tbh. I have to do all the heavy lifting, it's not really 'a thing', i'm mightily strong and have the second hairiest chest.

trying to play the "which ILX poster does this dude look like" game:

http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/Tom-Martin-415.jpg

"They simply refuse to acknowledge the research which contradicts the 'women good/men bad', or the 'women victims/men perpetrators' storyline."

you'd think ppl trying to make an appeal for misandry as, like, a thing would be savvy enough to avoid such moronic reduction---like, there may be some interesting things to unpack here:

The gender orthodoxy refuses to mention all those people fighting for equality in the fathers' rights movement, or all those boys and men enslaved in conscription, or men's shorter life expectancies.

...inasmuch as, yes, it's sorta weird that conscription is male-only, and sometimes fathers "lose" custody battles unfairly. but dismissing an entire field of study with dopey one-line 'zings' says to me that maybe your entire interest in gender studies was....disingenuous. would be totally unsurprised to discover that the guy enrolled in the course with the express purpose of ferreting out "anti-male bias" and taking LSE to court to maybe make some money and get the "issue" out there

the fact that it seems remarkable that the arts might be predominantly populated by women* implicitly speaks to the extent that generally you expect it to be the other way around,

totally otm.

mens rights dudes should just be sterilized

trying to play the "which ILX poster does this dude look like" game

caek

Looking only at the OP and its anecdotal description, I'd say that it sure looks like some kind of sexism to me.

But all we know is that (1) he's the only guy there (2) he gets asked to make coffee. Is he bald? Maybe it's hair-versus-hairless discrimination!

Seriously, there is not enough information here to go on. It could just be that he used to be helpful and kept volunteering and now he's kind of ad hoc "coffee guy" or it's a running joke or who knows what else.

xp c'mon! even i'm not that white.

Sorry. That's my vote.

mens rights dudes should just be sterilized

assume this is why they become mens rights dudes in the first place tbh

sterilized

mens rights dudes should just be sterilized

― Lamp, Monday, 19 September 2011 17:25 (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

see i feel bad when the words 'mens' rights' are in themselves written off because, you know, there should be such a thing!, at some level, & there are custody issues & other branches of gender arguments* that relate to 'men' and 'rights', but yeah mens rights dudes have just done the kind of damage to civilised discourse on equality that naziism did to neat old ancient indian symbols.

*tbh if i was going to introduce the word 'reverse' into this argument at all it would probably be re: those 'mens rights' issues being raised by being the flipside/reverse of some kind of long-standing male privilege/expected-female-role-territory in the first place

I mean, I understand the issue where there's an assumption that men are more likely to be violent or are thrown more into a provider role rather than a nurturing one so they are more likely to lose custody of kids or be expected to pay more in a separation situation, but... good god is the tone way the hell off the majority of the time. The few times where someone is genuinely wronged by the system or taken advantage of by a female ex who is spiteful is more rare than men complaining about it, in my experience.

As for the former situation of men being disproportionately punished for instances of physical violence, try this: any time anyone female acts violent against you, get the fuck out of there ASAP. Responding in kind is never good, and doubly not good when there's a gender imbalance in play.

horrible sentence that i can't quite take it on myself to untangle, sorry
xp

is there a prize for falling all over yourself to excuse anecdotal acts of discrimination against a member of a privileged class?

yes, its called 'not being a douchebag'

that's pathetic

I worked for a publishing place once where it was all women, except for the head of the place (he was an older man, the five other women who worked there were young and attractive), and whenever I would do something like change the water cooler, he would come running out of his office and take over, because, as he would say, he was just so used to taking care of those kinds of tasks

"he was an older man, the five other women who worked there were young and attractive"

this is basically every publishing house/pr place

Strangely enough, not mine! Not that there is zero stuff you could find odd if you went looking, but it's not ^^that.

you working for a porn publisher? :P

like I would be in a room, standing next to someone who needed something from a shelf they couldn't reach, and if they'd ask me to get something for them, and if I would make a move to help them, he would run out of his office, arms raised

(i only say that cos i know porn mag publishers that are basically all men, though im not an expert in the field of publishing, this is just my experience of a half dozen places ive seen)

ok i dont know whos xposting what now n/m

ppl talking about 'reverse sexism' is generally annoying, but it's no way near as awful as ppl talking about 'reverse rascism'.

No, no, they are equally nagl.

i'm concerned about reverse rabbitism

Laurel otm

was Kerm's not-zing aimed at me? I was at lunch.

nah, Lamp maybe, but really the attitude of "well the victim of discrimination is [white/male/privileged] so they need to stop being a crybaby."

so does this thread have legs?

why isn't there a men's history month?

Who's sock is bunnicula?

eh, feeling victimized by "reverse" discrimination is just too often a symptom of blindness to your own privilege imho

^^ feminazi gay msan

man

eh, feeling victimized by "reverse" discrimination is just too often a symptom of blindness to your own privilege imho

Doesn't mean it never happens though.

that's my titch

― forkshighwaytopoopon (some dude), Monday, August 15, 2011 11:24 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark

dont were it out

perverse sexism

revered sexism.

retributive sexism

reflexive semen

reverse sexy

redistributive sexism

msixes

lol

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/1986_BMW_M6.jpg

msixes

(i only say that cos i know porn mag publishers that are basically all men, though im not an expert in the field of publishing, this is just my experience of a half dozen places ive seen)

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, September 19, 2011 1:16 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

I want to return to this - titchy has visited a half dozen porn mag publishers?

yah but they're all male

ha hahaha

do two reverses make a right

reciprocal sexiness

resexed versism

miss sexiverse

do two reverses make a right

― younger, smoother and probably formidable (schlump), Monday, 19 September 2011 21:13 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Only if you reverse round a corner.

or drive headon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV85rD0gfqo

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/3824007/Men-rapped-by-Lib-Dem-MP-Lynne-Featherstone.html

my department of ~35 people has never had more than three men at any given time -- the demographic is overwhelmingly older, female, and granola. the guys do get some light teasing for it, but the overall work atmosphere is pretty good-natured.

the only place i've worked where this was a thing was in a call-centre, couple of hundred staff, maybe a dozen guys, all management from team leader up was female, and yeah the hazing probably went beyond EU regs at times.

particularly when the campaign selling dildos came on stream.

objectification of the sexes - is it a level playing field now?

Can't believe you're all falling for this terrible fucking poster's trolling schtick again.

heh no one really seems to be "falling for it." wish louis was still here to take the bait though.

Haha don't ask me, I couldn't be bothered to read it. If that's the case then well done ILE.

i think we've risen above it, tbf, we're discussing telemarketing of huge purple dongs now

It's a living

it was alright until we started cold calling

Cold cocking

^

matt, your 'stop trolling' shtick is really fucking boring. i make one post once every couple of months, if that, i barely even fucking post on this forum anymore, i have better things to do than troll, so just fuck off. if you dont like the post than just STFU, enough with the tired crux of 'TROLL!'

is it just an annual "Happy Christmas, sexual discrimination is over" post now then?

titch is clearly totally sincere in his belief that the patriarchy is over and now it's time to fight for men's rights before the womenfolk entirely take over. give him some credit!

women have dismembered mens body parts to use, men have dismembered womens body parts and blow up dolls, more women look at porn than ever before (as er, do men), everyone can make ads asking for things like 'nine inches or less need not apply' (dont think ive ever seen one saying 'less than a c cup need not apply' though), everyone has naked people of the sex they want to look at... everywhere on tv, in ads, in magazines... men are more fucked up about their bodies than ever before (though perhaps we have some way to go to reach women's anxieties in this area) and so on and so on.

I only repost that because I read "naked people of the sex" and wondered what it meant.

(dw, I do now)

'nine inches or less need not apply' <--- new board description pls

not that i think i need to defend myself against the fury of 'cant the rest of you people see WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE?' truth-tellers like matt, the scenario this thread was meant to be about is genuine, it just seems unusual which is why i wanted to see if anyone else had experienced anything similar.

I must tell you of an unusual event that happened to me recently. I have always been friendly with the lady who drives the number 15 bus, but the other night, after I had been waiting through a particularly heavy downfall of rain,

she made you make her a cup of tea?

i've worked in places where i'm often the only or one of the only men in the room, and there are more and more workplaces that are majority women, and there are a LOT of interesting and noteworthy social dynamics that go on there. but i'm not going to talk about those on a thread called "reverse sexism" because it puts the whole thing in a fucking stupid context.

I have worked in several different jobs where I was either the only man or one of just a few. I have never experienced any pressure to perform any demeaning duties. And in my current job, where I'm one of three guys and maybe 12 women, I'm regularly asked to change the bottle in the water cooler, which to be fair is heavy and unwieldy and they're probably best off just leaving it to the biggest person in the office to change.

Back when I was 18 or so, there was a case where I had a married middle-aged female supervisor who came on very strong to me, but she didn't discriminate against me when I declined.

I work for a company that's almost all men. There's one woman. It's a construction company. Sometimes when something like building a house comes up, all the guys end up doing it. The woman has never been asked to build any houses. It's pretty blatant. We still have a long way to go, brothers and sisters.

the scenario this thread was meant to be about is genuine, it just seems unusual which is why i wanted to see if anyone else had experienced anything similar.

Basically I'm wondering which races/demographics you guys think tip the best and the worst

I've heard this brought up several times at parties and such and it seems like there is one in particular that always seems to stiff the workers to the point that even people of that race hate being assigned to those tables

I have my own experiences but I was wondering what you guys think

I think the real question is, why are all of ya'll still drinking water from water coolers, that shit's bad for the environment. don't you have TAPS?

It's not bad for the environment! It's a big huge refillable bottle!

plus tap water is poisonous.

http://www.hjaworld.com/USERIMAGES/TAP%20SHOES.JPG

Tap water isn't poisonous. Drinking Coke + Milk together will kill you though. Don't do it, not even as a bet.

Why would anyone in the right mind want to do that? That's the most disgusting thing I've ever heard.

It's not pretty... I have a friend whose best mate's sister tried it. Luckily it was Cherry Coke and all she got was severe stomach cramps for about three weeks, but still.

It's not bad for the environment! It's a big huge refillable bottle!

― smelly's wife (rustic italian flatbread), Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:27 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

that has to get transported to and from the water factory! and how does the water end up at the water factory, HMM?

piss + saucepan

Never mind all that, what happened with the lady bus driver?

It's not pretty... I have a friend whose best mate's sister tried it. Luckily it was Cherry Coke and all she got was severe stomach cramps for about three weeks, but still.

I read that as Cheryl Cole, and thought it a bit mean...

What does frogbs think about all this?

LOL, so did I! (xp)

This thread is an anagram of Serve Exes Rims. Makes you think..

Milk + Beer is fine though, apparently:

http://www.japanprobe.com/2007/01/bilk.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51J11-sQzWL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

sure could use a bilk right about now

http://www.mikesacks.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/emflian.jpg

^^ notably outside a milk bar

sure could use a bilk right about now

http://www.leedsconcertseason.com/files/LICS/acker.JPG

Tap water isn't poisonous. Drinking Coke + Milk together will kill you though. Don't do it, not even as a bet.

hahahahaha oh come on, if this was even halfway true ppl would be poisoning themselves with Coke floats

What a way to go.

floating facedown in a vat of Coke

they turn you over to reveal... a milk moustache. "damn, another one" sighs the coroner.

http://guy.com/a/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Pepsi_milk_before1.jpg http://images.teamsugar.com/files/usr/1/15259/laverne.jpg

OH NOES PLAYING WITH FIRE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pBT6L4qGrw

Tap water isn't poisonous. Drinking Coke + Milk together will kill you though. Don't do it, not even as a bet.

hahahahaha oh come on, if this was even halfway true ppl would be poisoning themselves with Coke floats

― sick yr finger up his butt (DJP), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 14:55 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

That's ice cream though. That's okay. It has to be full fat milk and regular coke mixed roughly equal parts. People get away with maybe a drop of milk in a glass of Coke, but much more and you will be very ill. Coke + Milk = you die.

See Pepsi, isn't so bad.

oh my god

http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/302088

that's sea water + pepsi, btw; equals instant visceral combustion
xp

lol dayo, I was just posting that link

You are hardly alone: that's a fairly common mixture. My preferred mixture is far less common: Coke and orange juice.

What an irresponsible website. Those people are on thin ice.

I remember having a coffee after a fizzy orange. Someone said I'd be ill. I was, the next day.

(Not the chunder, just ohhhh)

A friend of mine was swearing by red wine and Fanta and made me try some and good god that was foul.

re Coke and orange juice - that sounds pretty gross but there's a thing in Germany where people mix Coke and Orange Fanta called a Spezi and it's amazingly good.

as a kid I went through a phase where I was drinking orange juice and baking soda

I tried coke + red wine a few times because people on here posted about it, that that was what all the cool young kids in spain were doing. it was... okay

the thing about coke + OJ though is that coke already has a pH of like, 3.0. you are drinking an acid bomb for yr stomach

There's that thing in Spain where people drink Coke + red wine. Vicky keeps trying to get me to taste it, but yuck!

Yeah in Germany they mix coke and beer too which is just O_O imo.

yeah but in Germany they mix everything with beer, I'm surprised I never encountered a beer cookie

fair point

It's been a long time since I had the red wine and fanta thing but iirc I sort of liked it. Dan make sure you hang on to that Mio. We're gonna need it in a couple weeks.

fyi Mio + any old hefeweizen = mmmmmmmmmm

thread derail of the week imo

ha - nice

food derail of the hour

they'll be talking about pot roasts on the netflix thread well before lunchtime

Yeah well, I wasn't about to waste my time commenting on the OP but a discussion about mixing beer/wine with seemingly bizarre and incongruous things? Now that's a convo I can get behind.

That "beer mix site:ilxor.com" google RSS feed really pays off..

I loved beer and coke when I went to Germany, but it could be because I was already drunk. Beer and milk however, that can't be good for you.

coulda sworn i've had Spezis made with coke and OJ but maybe not.

anyway, guess what, effects of mixing drinks = not toxic and mostly all in yr head, unless it tastes foul in which case

Except for milk + coke. They react with each other in the glass and then you die.

you don't even have to drink it, you just die

it is The Ring of beverages

yeah, i don't know how it works.

a very special series finale of "John Justen and Fluffy Bear Will Drink It"

fluffy bear went first

opening this thread after seeing it hang around the top a while was a pleasant surprise

wtf guys we were trying to have a serious conversation about big rubber cocks?

what kind of beer is best to mix with coke?

this special kind of beer called 'bilk'

There's that thing in Spain where people drink Coke + red wine. Vicky keeps trying to get me to taste it, but yuck!

This isn't actually too bad. And I'm fairly conservative in my drinks tastes.

how did this derail happen? i mean, i approve

btw, re: beer cookie:

http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/beer-cookies/detail.aspx

can we move titchy's post that started his last thread into the "society is in the gutter" thread?

I like both coke+milk and wine+coke

also lemonade+beer tho that's less controversial

enh, only if it's "english lemonade" ie sprite

p sure beer and actual lemonade would be no good?

I like both coke+milk and wine+coke

^ awesome cocktail, it just needs like maybe a hint of-

lemonade+beer

yes perfect

http://www.triplepundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/glass-of-milky-brown-water-in-dimock1-126x150.jpg

p sure beer and actual lemonade would be no good?

Considering people drink these as "shandys" all the time I'm not going to argue that there's an appeal for some people.

Isn't a shandy beer and lemon-lime soda?

I mean rather than flat lemonade? Pretty sure it is.

Anyway, a friend of mine makes something called lemonade beer with concentrated flat lemonade, corona, lime, and vodka and it's outstanding during the summer.

I hate shandy and lager tops. Really, I'm a bit of a drinks fascist. Mixing fizzy + non-fizzy is weird. It's also taken me years to understand the appeal of any alcoholic drink that tastes of anything.

... tastes of anything other than bitterness, despair and deep deep self-loathing that is

A shandy is with lemon-lime soda in the UK/europe? In the US, there's at least Leinenkugel's Summer Shandy
which is sold as a beer w/lemonade flavor in the bottle. I swear there are a few others.

Genearlly, yeah. At least I think so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shandy

Mixing fizzy + non-fizzy is weird.

this is madness

Mixing fizzy + non-fizzy is weird

but... gin and tonic?

In Britain, lemon soda is called lemonade. Just to confuse matters further.

not madness - you end up with this milquetoast middle ground that can't work out whether it's fizzy or not.

Same as mixing sweetcorn and peas together - it's weird. But then, sweetcorn is disgusting anyway. Like chewing on old men's rotten teeth.

(and yes I like corn on the cob).

what's lemonade in the US if not lemon soda? Is it cloudy lemon? Lemon juice?

It's flat not carbonated. I'd say the closet equivalent would be lemon squash.

But mixed with water in ready to drink form not the concentrated stuff straight out of the bottle if that makes sense.

Lemonade here is a drink made from lemon, regular water and sugar or sweetener.

best when made by a lemonade stand at the state fair and consumed asap

Mixing fizzy + non-fizzy is weird

but... gin and tonic?

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Different if it's a shot + Mixer of course.

Mixed drinks w/liquor and just blending beer with another substance are two totally different games, imo

beer + lemonade is a great summer drink

there are a lot of good beer cockatils fwiw

but

why are we not discussing reverse sexism

Reverse sexism is actually a non-alcoholic cocktail involving Dr Pepper and passion fruit.

That sounds alright actually!

because ilx is lefty

brandy + heineken ftw

imo malt beverages as sold in north america are a cynical ploy to sell beer to women, and their adoption by young men is a conspiracy to feminize men

smirnoff ice? why don't you just let the woman wear the pants

anyone have the recipe for reverse sex on the beach

This is the only Google result for 'Racist Calamacho'

ha

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_lemonade

I was thinking about pink lemonade recently. Why does it exist and how does it differ from reg lemonade? Is it just food coloring?

(xp) Coming from the West of Scotland I'm surprised I've never heard of that, but I suppose we had enough liquid toothrot of our own without importing the stuff

pink lemonade was created specifically so that women would have their own lemonade, but it's actually better than regular lemonade. classic example of reverse sexism.

Yeah, I've tried the brown lemonade in Norn Iron.

well, so they told you

so they did

has everybody here had L&P? that stuff is awesome

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--tiD8Yml7Ss/TW-ThkYi1ZI/AAAAAAAAB6U/dGjAegEMJlg/s1600/mcdaid_indo_836945t.jpg

that's where it's at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDaid%27s_Football_Special

Wikipedia article of the week, btw

amazing

I love how there's no detail other than "a mix of seven secret flavours". What does it taste like, other than 'sugar and chemicals'?

yes to football special

James McDaid Jr., the CEO of the company was also on the founding board of Swilly Rovers FC, one of the most decorated junior football clubs in Ireland, and, as such, wanted to celebrate winning trophies by filling the cup with an exciting but non-alcoholic beverage.

Swally Rovers FC meanwhile prefer alcoholic beverages in their cups

Also most are sold in plastic bottles a cold Football Special in a glass bottle is even better. Recently Football Special has also been used to make Football Special flavoured Cheesecakes, these were sold in Supervalue in Newtoncunningham and Ballybofey.

lol truth

it tastes kinda Vimto-y, but a lot better than fizzy Vimto, dryer. not as good as Vimto cordial but hey

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=McDaid%27s_Football_Special&action=historysubmit&diff=416414416&oldid=412929631

sally o'brien and the way she'd look at you and the bottle of football special

yeah i believe it's widely used as a mixer tho i've never tried it as such. also tbh if you can find it outside of a 5 mile radius around Ramelton you're doing well

i hear you have to go to the supervalue in newtoncunningham to get the REAL stuff

you people are unbelievable

got it as far as the abbey in donegal town once iirc

lol at max the yank and his adding the 'e' to supervalu i mean

the wikipedia article had an e!! go change it

reverse irishism

oh man I love sugary fizzy drinks

why did nobody tell me about McDaid's before I was 4 miles away from Ramelton :(

(we even stopped for supplies in the shop in Ramelton)

http://www.lovemarks.com/media/image/landp_html.jpg

^ World famous in New Zealand

http://www.squareball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/fb_special_tee_01.jpg

^ World famous in Donegal

I say "the shop" as there did not appear to be many more than one, but perhaps I am mistaken xxp

back to sexism, don't know about the drink but the song's great:

http://www.uncamarvy.com/4Deuces/4deuces3.jpg

you people are unbelievable

yeah, come on ILX, a man is MAKING TEA here

lollll

This is sort of somehow tangentially related. Anyway lol nice try NYer:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/photobooth/2011/09/women-photograph-men.html

related to lemonade, obv

that cool refreshing drink

endemic sexualization of the female form is bad for male confidence, as we're seen as desexualized and inert

This is a pround subject and I'm glad The New Yorker handled it with such sensitivity. I hope next you do an equally stirring piece on Phil Collins or perhaps on Whitney Huston.

Posted 9/18/2011, 9:03:51pm by lizbeth2