Best of Woody Allen's Eightites Films

Zelig

Hannah is the best Woody Eightites Film

or Stardust Memories

Danny Rose

Zelig then Hannah

between hannah and purple rose and sex comedy for me

sex com would be my third and p rose my fourth, I think

broadway danny rose

xp just as long as there is some sex com love. LOOK, ARIEL! A FOSSIL!

Leaning toward Purple Rose, but I haven't seen most of these in years.

from there, to london -- a long-awaited opportunity to show her thomas carlyle's grave. then to italy, where i have consented to deliver a series of lectures on renaissance art. it will be a pleasure to bring tintoretto into perspective for his innumerable sycophants.

one of the sad things about midnight in paris was seeing woody's ability to write snobs reduced to having them talk limply about wine

It's what he cast Sam Waterston for!

people pass by vital structures in this city every day

The Purple Rose of Cairo is my vote: his most perfect script and direction, with a performance by Mia Farrow which I still don't think is adequately praised (it's hard to play a naif without making the audience gag).

As for the rest, I've made my peace with Hannah, which I learned to love in the last few years because it's still ALWAYS on cable and my mom loves it because she doesn't have sisters and envies how close Dianne Wiest, Barbara Hershey, and Mia Farrow are.

Zelig is a wry joke extended beyond its natural ten-minute running time.

Another Woman is the best of his Chamber Dramas, although the howlers are all time, like the young John Houseman grouchily saying, "I must finish my book on the Continental Congress" and Gena Rowlands looking anguished when she spots her mother's tears on "her favorite Rilke poem."

I haven't seen BDR in years and placed it in my queue.

My ranks:

Cairo
Radio Days
Hannah
Crimes (Alan Alda!)

Zelig then Radio Days

people pass by vital structures in this city every day

I cry at the opera.

i think i like hannah a little less than the ilx consensus and crimes and misdemeanors a little more

one of those two, i think

C&M has a lot of things representatively gross about Woody's writing and direction but it's fluid about changing from "tragedy" to comedy and it's got the once in a lifetime moment of Alan Alda reciting "Because I Could Not Stop For Death"

wait what is gross about it?

how he's all WELL DON'T YOU SEE THE EYES ARE THE WINDOWS OF THE SOUL and then includes a scene in which Angelica Huston's corpse LOOKS INTO MARTIN LANDAU'S SOUL. Poor Huston is reduced to being a shrill big ass in closeup.

Also, the long takes suggest he took that philosopher's windbag experience seriously.

experience = statements

yeah it is not maybe the most philosophically sophisticated movie but i am not the most philosophically sophisticated person

i love anjelica huston and alan alda in it. and everyone else.

Another Woman is the best of his Chamber Dramas

My affection for this one surprised me when I saw it, since it's such a minor film in his oeuvre. At the very least, I recall finding it superior to Radio Days (his other 1987 effort), which seems overrated (though it's amusing to see kid-Woody played by a young Seth Green).

"If it bends, it's funny."

radio days is totally charming, maybe underrated?

xxp lol. i like another woman, too, fwiw. gene hackman!

It's been a long time since I last saw C&M. I need to watch a bunch of these again tbh.

Gene Hackman's perf is the best serious Oscar un-validated performance in his OEUVRE.

I think I've seen Hannah more than any of the others (tho maybe not Zelig) because Al totally otm about it always being on TV. It really is.

Actually, Stardust Memories is my favorite Woody Allen film. I want to vote for that.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-08A787ZOGec/Ts1byykAxVI/AAAAAAAAA_s/-RgJeeUq74o/s1600/hannah-and-her-sisters-movie-still-475x357-pr-01_476x357.jpg

.. easily my favourite Woody Allen film and one of the best films ever.

I cannot watch any of Woody's chamber dramas. They all seem to me to have stepped directly out of the "quiddities and agonies of the ruling class" thread. But then, 99% of film dramas about the aspiring American middle class seem that way to me. They all seem to be making the agonized "am I not a man; do I not bleed?" speech in the context of a particularly bad paper cut.

crimes and misdemeanors is my favourite woody allen movie so that

'crimes' >>>>>>> 'match point'

never seen September & Another Woman

how i rate the rest

Broadway Danny Rose - small scale but totally love this little trifle
Crimes and Misdemeanors - probably overrating this but i found the drama part riveting + Alda
Hannah and Her Sisters - masterfully made but yeah the "quiddities" thing starts to take over/bug
The Purple Rose of Cairo - moving, didn't hold up on repeated viewings though
Zelig - should see this again, barely remember it
A Midsummer Night's Sex Comedy - slight but charming, great cast
Stardust Memories - flawed but lots of interesting stuff in it
Radio Days - very limp nostalgia
Oedipus Wrecks - terrible

i think mia farrow is so sweet in crimes and misdemeanors

Can the Sex Comedy stans explain their love, please? It's kinda right up there with, like, Shadows and Fog AFAIC, insofar as I've given it a couple of shots and totally don't dig it at all. Keeping in mind that I would happily rewatch most Woody films anytime.

It's the only one on this list I haven't seen -- the only Woody film I haven't seen outside the early 2000s turkeys.

From this era, I really really like Stardust, Zelig, and Crimes. Kinda tough to choose between those three...but I might say Stardust in a pinch.

crimes and misdemeanors is my favourite woody allen movie so that

Pretty close for me between Hannah and Crimes--I think the latter is more uneven (some of the Martin Landau stuff is tedious), but I'll give it my vote for Alan Alda, and for Jerry Orbach too. Broadway Danny Rose is very good. I've only seen Zelig once--an achievement, but I can't remember a thing. Haven't seen a full six of these.

haha i love shadows and fog (zey neeeeeed [my illusions]... like zey need ze aihr) but

1) tony roberts in a big part, woody/roberts camaraderie is never duplicated
2) everything jose ferrer says ("i had the privilege of explaining to her why michelangelo's ceiling was indeed great")
3) flying bicycle
4) woody pretending he likes the country

it is totally slight and in places stilted (like all woody post-annie-hall) but it has one of the best little casts he ever assembled.

the sleeper is Radio Days of course, a fabulous bit of work that.

is september good? i just watched the trailer for it and i always feel like i would like it, but the trailer made me think of interiors. then again i don't even hate interiors even though you're supposed to.

Controversially enough, although they're fine movies, I'm not really in love with the critical darlings from this era (Hannah and Purple Rose).

zelig has this problem where it only has three beats:

1) this guy can turn into other people (45 mins)
2) like a fascist! (25 mins)
3) love kills fascism (5 mins)

so i only love it when i'm not watching it.

is september good?

Elaine Stritch, smoking like a 19th century factory, imitates Bea Arthur and does okay. Sam Waterson gets another career-killer moment (I swear Woody must delight in destroying him): "Hurry. We've got to get back to the city if we're going to catch the Kurosawa film festival").

dlh very otm about sex comedy, esp tony roberts
(but shadows & fog is one of the worst movies i've ever seen)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBVL2g_LRlk&feature=related

September gets a bit of a pass for being a completely recast and refilmed movie, which I doubt resulted in the strongest movie at the end of the day. I'd be interested in seeing the original.

i wanted to do a poll of best decade for woody, but assumed 70s would win. but i think i would vote for 80s

in the recent hagiographic documentary I saw a clip of Sam Shepard in an eighties coat and understood why Woody dropped him.

Weirdest moment: Michael Keaton, in a pith helmet, playing the Jeff Daniels part in TPROC.

I actually think the '90s might take it for me, surprisingly. There are a features '70s Woody films I LOVE, but probably more '90s Woody films that I like a whole lot.

What? features = few

There are a features '70s Woody films I LOVE, but probably more '90s Woody films that I like a whole lot.

otm. I don't want to derail the thread, but my picks:

Husbands and Wives
Manhattan Murder Mystery
Sweet & Lowdown
Deconstructing Harry
Bullets Over Broadway

They're all more satisfying than his eighties output.

deconstructing harry is super annoying

husbands and wives is great though, i love the bit where juliette lewis loses his novel and is like "yah but it kindof sucked though"

bullets over broadway is really really good.

Alfred's '90s list is pretty much equivalent to mine. Except I'm also one of the four people who liked Celebrity.

H&W is my favorite Woody pic.

kenneth branagh in celebrity is like watching a possession, it's so weird & unsettling

meryl streep for next woody allen surrogate

Yeah Alred's 90s list is pretty great except I don't remember anything about DH even tho I saw it in the theater.

Husbands and Wives
Manhattan Murder Mystery
Sweet & Lowdown
Bullets Over Broadway

all otm

What DLH said about Sex Com otm too esp the part about Allen/Roberts. I've mentioned this before but I've met Roberts a bunch and love him and he and WA are so great together in that.

Oh I thought I deleted that last paragraph. Shit. I feel weird mentioning that because it came up on another thread recently and seems obnoxious but it does prob have a lot to do with my feelings for AMNSC.

i think i actually agree that his 90s peaks are better than his 80s peaks (which i wouldn't have thought until i saw it suggested)(my 90s peaks basically match soto's, maybe flip mmm and sweet and lowdown and throw everyone says i love you below bullets over broadway) but i'd watch midsummer night's sex comedy a hundred times before i felt the urge to watch celebrity or shadows and fog. i think i've said this before but i really wish he had spent the last decade cranking out doddering nick and nora type comedies w/ diane keaton, would definitely play well to the demo that actually goes and sees woody allen movies now.

Lamp and plax, you are my people. i thought everyone on ilx disliked crimes!

Voted C&M but kinda instantly regretted not voting Puple Rose. Or Hannah. Or Radio Days.

I still love Zelig for how tricky and playfully cinematic it is, but I'd save any of the aforementioned above it in a fire. Broadway Danny Rose and (yes) Oedipus Wrecks are enjoyable minor Woody. Another Woman is easily my favorite of his straight Begmanesque dramas, though the one convenient plot point near the end always bugs me.

Haven't seen Stardust since I went through my initial teenage Allen phase, but don't remember liking it too much (will rewatch though). Oddly enough, Midummer and September remain the only two Allen films I've never seen (not counting the two most recent ones).

From the 80s film poll:

#85 - tie w/diva
Zelig (52 points, 4 votes)

#53 - tie w/The Shining
Crimes and Misdemeanors (85 points, 5 votes)

#28
Hannah and Her Sisters (121 points, 4 votes, 1 first-place vote)

Love about 6 of these, but Zelig.

"It shows exactly what you can do, if you're a total psychotic!"

"My brother beat me. My sister beat my brother. My father beat my sister and my brother and me. My mother beat my father and my sister and me and my brother. The neighbors beat our family. The people down the block beat the neighbors and our family...."

the closest I come to disliking any of these is Purple Rose, and that's mostly because of Jeff Daniels.

also won't be voting for Sex Comedy, but I love the way it captures the warmth of the long Northern summertime hours ala Bergman's Summer Night.

voted crimes and misdemeanors, love martin landau and jerry orbach as brothers, esp

Actually, Stardust Memories is my favorite Woody Allen film. I want to vote for that.

― age is not a number of years but a great experience in life (admrl), Friday, 20 January 2012 01:06 (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

pretty much. i rescreeened it not long before seeing annie hall again, seeing it without a lens of nostalgia and acclaim blowing my mind, so truthfully i maybe have a more boring favourite. but stardust is so fascinating, and formally epitomises & encapsulates allen more than the movies that are just hyper-woody-allenish. so funny, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuSaohflsR0

"you'd think no one had ever been compared to mussolini before"

can't really make up my mind here

crimes is so great

husbands and wives is great though, i love the bit where juliette lewis loses his novel and is like "yah but it kindof sucked though"

H&W is kind of a mess imho and sort of headache to watch but one of the best things about it is the scene where juliette lewis deconstructs his novel. she's obviously a complete idiot, and yet her critique is completely OTM and also serves as a critique of the film and Woody's POV in general

I didn't get the impression she was an idiot at all! She's quite shrewd about her effect on men.

other great thing about H&W is Judy Davis obviously. the rest = eh.

xp

Sydney Pollack, Liam Neeson, and Benno Schimidt, the latter whining about buying Farrow a view finder for her camera.

Danny Rose, Radio Days and Oedipus Wrecks ... could he make anything as funny as any of those if he tried now?

H&W opened the week the Soon Yi 'scandal' broke, and I was interviewed by a radio reporter on my way in and out of the theater.

I saw Woody (for the only time to date) and Mia in Little Italy a couple months after Zelig came out. Her eyes were as blue as advertised.

could he make anything as funny as any of those if he tried now?

it's pretty clear Woody can't write jokes for the screen anymore

Hannah > Crimes > Stardust > Broadway > Purple Rose > Zelig > Oedipus > Radio Days > Another Woman > September

Of what I've seen, I'm gonna say (tough call though!) :

Crimes < Hannah < Purple Rose < Oedipus/Radio Days/Stardust Memories < Zelig

i thought i loved crimes & misdemeanours but i rewatched it recently and was totally embarrassed by it. fkn hell it's really bad. the "serious" bits are so ridiculous.

man I kinda didn't realize how few of his 80s movies I actually like

"rescreened" is repulsive btw.

(sorry schlump)

I had the opposite experience--saw C&M recently and really enjoyed it. Loved Jerry Orbach.

http://www.everywoodyallenmovie.com/images/crimes-and-misdemeanors-4.jpg

"rescreened" is repulsive btw.

― jed_, Saturday, 21 January 2012 02:46 (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

(sorry schlump)

― jed_, Saturday, 21 January 2012 02:48 (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

but i need to distinguish that i am doing this in a much more critical, interrogative & profound way than someone who is just replaying their video to kill a tuesday evening. i like the idea that everyone on the internet has to assume i have a personal screening chamber.

oh, i was drunk.

thought schlump was just winking at me; I used to abuse that word years ago.

ha no i was owning up, i abuse that word right now.

Radio Days or Hannah, but there is a lot of good on this list. Danny Rose, Purple Rose of Cairo and Crimes and Misdemeanors are all first class films.

Remembering the suspense when the first ad appeared for each of these movies (or at least from Purple Rose, when I was 15 or so, onward).

re: C&M, I can't think of any other movie I've seen that takes the dual tragedy/comedy narrative - two separate but largely unrelated plotlines, one played for laughs, the other for pathos

AND largely unrelated

I end up fast forwarding through Marty Landau's whitefaced existential angst tbh. Also, I'm offended that he cast Claire Bloom and wasted her in a nothing role.

that's just how he "overcasts" his films. it got worse in the '90s.

yeah -- Helena Bonham Carter in Mighty Aphrodite and about a third of DH (which I like).

I'll take yr word that she was in those

props to him for letting Alan Alda play such an arsehole; he pulls it off like i'd never have anticipated from you know, that MASH guy.

the Alda/Allen rivalry is definitely better than the Landau arc but I enjoy enough of the Landau stuff to make it worthwhile - his famiy flashbacks, the bits with Jerry Orbach

the ugly italian-american caricatures in BDR always set me on edge, and im not normally a guy who bestirs himself to be offended by such portrayals

Michael Caine's doofus in Hannah is so irritating that I don't enjoy the film. Voted C&M even though I haven't seen it since it came out.

I am a 1xidiot for missing out on most of the Woody Allen screenings at the nft.

For lots of us this is when he became WOODY ALLEN.

Born too soon btw; WOODY ALLEN is the guy who's most like Bob Hope.

(Bob Hope, for you younguns, was the greatest American comedian between 1940 and 1960, with the possible exception of Jack Benny, who had a negligible film career)

I didn't exactly mean it as a compliment, ya crank.

There was a 1940?

1940 was the Year of the Phony War.

Michael Caine's doofus in Hannah is so irritating that I don't enjoy the film.

he's tragic and excruciating and brilliant but yeah i can't really watch his scenes. esp when he's in the book shop flirting with his sister in law...

Stardust Memories - I've always loved this. Blew my mind when I was 13.
A Midsummer Night's Sex Comedy - Very sweet and very funny. I want to rescreen [and whenever i use/see this word used i always assume its a wink to alfred] this again.
Zelig - Impressed me when I saw it along with all the other Woody movies in my first flight of teenaged Woody obsession, but I've never really wanted to see it again.
Broadway Danny Rose - I thought it was slight when I saw it, I should see it again.
The Purple Rose of Cairo - Same.
Hannah and Her Sisters - Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.
Radio Days - Yeah, total dark horse. The Woody movie I'd reccommend the Woody-haters in my family watching.
September - Not seen. Should see.
Another Woman - Same.
Oedipus Wrecks - Is good, but I remember liking the Scorcese short better. Oh teenage angst.
Crimes and Misdemeanors - Would get my vote, as I think the balance between comedy and tragedy is very well-judged, and Alda is especially great. They should make another movie together, as he was great in Manhattan Murder Mystery as well.

Stardust Memories
Broadway Danny Rose
The Purple Rose of Cairo

these are my favourites, always found Radio Days the most dissapointing (of golden era Woody I mean) (thought that would be briliant from the description)

hmmm it feels weird to vote for a 'serious' Woody film, but I guess Stardust Memories it is..

Caine was perhaps the best surrogate Woody Allen!

Stardust Memories is serious?

Caine was a bore.

I have my answer

He brought little to nothing of his Caine-ness to the part.

that's what you have Jaws: The Revenge for.

And Deathtrap!

(Which, until fact-checking right now, I had no idea that Sidney Lumet directed.)

I thought Owen Wilson actually made for a more decent surrogate Woody.

My favorite since Cusack.

i suspect that hannah and her sisters and crimes & misdemeanors (the only woody-does-ingmar flick that i can stomach) are gonna win this poll. but i vote for broadway danny rose.

Another Woman and September are like watching paint dry iirc.

http://www.watching-paint-dry.com/watching-paint-dry.gif

And Deathtrap!

― do you not like slouching? (Eazy), Sunday, 22 January 2012 21:37 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

(Which, until fact-checking right now, I had no idea that Sidney Lumet directed.)

― do you not like slouching? (Eazy), Sunday, 22 January 2012 21:39 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

deathrap is AWESOME. okay i haven't seen it since i was eleven, but the multiple false-endings...

Christopher Reeve wears choice sweaters in Deathtrap.

I liked Manhatten Murder Mystery but clearly that's not allowed.

ah, ok that's 1993.

(tiptoes away...)

Deathtrap *rocks*!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrGqLW-ySj4

hey, i just watched deathtrap last week! i didnt know much about it, and i hated the first half hour so much that i came really close to turning it off. it gets better in ^^that scene though, where lumet starts to turn the screws, and then it gets a lot better about an hour in

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Watched PROC last night - that one is definitely underrated. very sly film.

Such a good script.

Woody Allen doesn't have eight tite films.

it isn't jampacked with jokes, but it is genuinely moving in a subtle way. like when Mia considers leaving her husband for the first time and is walking down the street in front of a bar and then Dianne Wiest comes across the frame and says "okay girls, let's go make some money" and then Mia turns around and heads back home, defeated. it's like a 20-second shot or something but it's so great.

Kev, I <3 you even when you're wrong

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

same top three films in my list but i would go 3 2 1

idly concluding that his best 90s stuff >>>> his best 80s stuff

Hannah and Her Sisters 21
Crimes and Misdemeanors 20
Broadway Danny Rose 9
The Purple Rose of Cairo 9

i suspect that hannah and her sisters and crimes & misdemeanors (the only woody-does-ingmar flick that i can stomach) are gonna win this poll. but i vote for broadway danny rose.

― pookkake (Eisbaer), Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:48 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol i read ilx's mind. glad that broadway danny rose and purple rose of cairo (both better than the two winners IMHO) were tied for third and have SOME love amongst us.

i guess i prefer woody in his "blue collar schmuck telling stories about other blue collar schmucks" mode better than woody's films about the bellyaches of the Gabbneb set.

YAY!

(i liked both hannah and crimes and misdemeanors, btw. i liked danny rose more than these two because of how Woody slyly subverts his 70s nebbish persona [his character here has a spine and he genuinely LIKES his castoff clientele]. and i liked purple rose inasmuch as i see it as his version of sullivan's travels.)

i really need to see danny rose again.

have we voted on his 90s stuff yet?

Hannah and her sisters is one of the few films that makes me blub, so that one.

Didn't vote in this, but yeah, Danny Rose for me. Haven't seen all of them though.

oh man is Midsummer Night's... painful.

i've not seen it in years, and really want to see it again.

i have a p high tolerance for whimsy, fwiw

it's woody in ingmar mode ... in this case, smiles of a summer night ... only nowhere as good as the source (as is usually the case).

the lines are sooooo flat, and the Roberts-Woody friendship has no rhythm at all

the ugly italian-american caricatures in BDR always set me on edge, and im not normally a guy who bestirs himself to be offended by such portrayals

― maghrib is back (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:49 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm. it also doesnt help that the dude playing the singer is like a less charismatic tony siragusa. sequences of woody & mia on the run, etc are p ok tho

dude playing the singer ain't playing

'stereotypes' didnt bother me (Jersey)

i know, maybe it should have been

the only one i've never seen from this lot is ..Sex Comedy. i thought it was meant to be terrible? dunno where i got that idea i must give it a watch. the trailer makes it look kinda like something from the
Love And Death/ Sleeper era
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaA9qLZViPk

somehow i'd never seen stardust memories before. it's amazing!

It was received rather sourly in '80. Stylistically it's kinda halfway between Manhattan and Deconstructing Harry. A little too much Fellini pastiche.

morbs otm but some really funny lines it, also charlotte rampling

the scene where charlotte rampling talks to the camera, with all those cuts, blew my mind when i saw this movie as a kid, and is still what i remember first about it, before UFO invasions, parties in train cars and 'i prefer your earlier, funnier films'

It's great. I occasionally think it's my favorite Allen film.

the Rampling jump-cut scene is by far the best.

A little too much Fellini pastiche.

― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, April 20, 2012 12:43 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is true, but it was still amazing to look at.

It also helps to actually like 8 1/2, which I do not.

you know it's funny; i don't either and generally don't like fellini. when i saw 8 1/2 i was like, i vastly prefer woody allen to fellini. but allen doing fellini works for me.

oh I get that.

Alfred, why don't you like 8 1/2?

(I don't either. I spent half a decade thinking I hated Fellini because the first two I saw were 8 1/2 and La Strada, and they both bored me to tears).

Besides being a bore, the movie's premise made no sense. Film directors don't get "writer's block" in the way a novelist does.

How you no?

allen doing fellini works for me.

so, Sweet & Lowdown too? (La Strada)

Film directors don't get "writer's block" in the way a novelist does.

And 8 1/2 didn't depict writers block like a novel would.

Considering there are few novels about writer's block, I'd say the concept defeats both media.

The Shining

stardust memories is way funnier than sweet and lowdown, iirc. only saw sweet and lowdown the one time when it came out, though.

Sweet and Lowdown is another of my most favorite Allen films. Maybe I should check out this Federanco Fanelli guy.

Considering there are few novels about writer's block, I'd say the concept defeats both media.

? I can think of a bunch of novels about writer's block. DeLillo's Mao, Malzberg's Herovits' World, Wonder Boys... writers love writing about writing (or not writing as the case may be)

My favorite Fellini is Nights of Cabiria. Don't have much use for him in general tho.

I'm not a huge Fellini/8 1/2 fan either. I'll take Scheider soft shoeing toward death for 15 minutes any day.

I haven't read Malzberg but those are the novels (and a few others, not many) I had in mind, Shakes.

New Grub Street, Keep The Aspidistra Flying, Secret Window, Secret Garden, Pigeon Post, Spooner, If On a Winter's Night a Traveler... it's practically it's own subgenre!

I dunno why I'm arguing, I tend to hate these books. well, except for the Malzberg and Calvino, which are really funny.

you've read Gissing? Nice!

nah that one I haven't read, actually

(not a big fan of Victorian-era novels in general)

It also helps to actually like 8 1/2, which I do not.

― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, April 20, 2012 9:35 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^^ this

that said: my liking Ingmar Bergman films doesn't necessarily make watching Woody's most Bergmanesque films that much more enjoyable.

RIP Nick Apollo Forte

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3WzmKISWMc