Flag Post

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***** Flag Post *****

What's the new policy on problem posters?

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stet it took you a few years but i thank you for finally listening to me and doing away with the suggest ban.

is this the new thing?

yes just happened about 20 minutes ago.

stet-

has any policy changed? is 51 still the arbitrary magic number?

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I am of the opinion that nothing about this new policy should be explained

like every week it should do something different when you click flag post

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This the way Suggest Ban should've worked in the first place (as me and many others tried to say back then): bringing potentially offensice posts to the mods' attention, not as a "vote to get banned" based on some arbitrary number.

Can we please see an automated list of the top posts that received the most FPs in a given month?

I have no problem waiting until March 1 to see February results, thank you.

No, definitely against that. Make any sort of leaderboard and you p. soon get someone who wants on the top of it

I was half-kidding. I would expect the top result to be "I support doing away with 'Flag Posts'."

Is it possible for sub-board mods to see flagged posts on their particular boards? It'd make modding them easier.

I think I like this a LOT better than the SB process, because this can really get the mods to understand exactly where an issue stems from.

"flagged posts" are good posts that i want to save to read again later, right?

On the policy q, as we talked about on sandbox this doesn't change it so much as reflect how it has been working for a good while -- we disabled the automatic banning of users after a certain number of SBs a long time ago.

What has been happening is that mods have been monitoring users getting SBs, reviewing posts that were getting SBd etc, and taking action when they get past a certain level.

This change reflects that -- you click it on a post and you're no longer saying "machine, ban this person if enough people agree with me", you're saying "mods, look at this post and take action if you agree it's required".

Which is, I think, a slightly different message, especially if you're banned as a consequence, even if the literal actions of "a load of ilxors clicked a link, a mod stepped in and the user got the hammer" don't change.

http://forums.zeroin.co.uk/images/smilies/bs.gif

Man I lucked out living in the Central Time Zone today.

Is it possible for sub-board mods to see flagged posts on their particular boards? It'd make modding them easier.
That's probably not a bad idea at all, actually

thanks stet. personally i think the term is a little less clear than "suggest ban" (like i was joking above obv but i think someone could actually think "flag post" means something like "save this to read later" like when you flag an email in outlook) but if it works the same way then it's cool.

yeah, but does it matter which post we SB/flag, when it's really about wanting the poster banned?

Confirming this will flag the post for the attention of the moderators.

Posters whose posts are repeatedly flagged may be limited from posting or banned.

Flag this post for moderation.

xp

Maybe we should call it "Flog Post".

whats the policy on 'flag post' being abused (not by me of course http://wow.incgamers.com/forums/images/smilies/large/smiley_smug.gif)

I think it does, I mean if some random googler shows up says some odious, racist shit in one thread but otherwise harmless talk in a couple other threads, it should be easy for the mods to figure out where the issue stems from.

(xpost)

It does insofar as it would be better to want somebody gone for something specifically objectionable they've posted, rather than just for being who they are.

xp to sarahell

Yeah, WmC otm.

This is loads better. Thanks stet.

yeah, but does it matter which post we SB/flag, when it's really about wanting the poster banned?

I don't think you should suggest anyone to be banned if you can't even point out a single post of them that'd justify the ban.

how charitable of you, jon, to pose it as the action of a random googler

flagg post

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2338/2285301605_8023a69f4e_z.jpg?zz=1

hahaha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DsToYffGBY

how charitable of you, jon, to pose it as the action of a random googler

It wasn't just trying to be charitable, I thought it was an applicable example. If a new poster shows up and seems fine in most threads, but is being really questionable in another, we can point to the problem so its not just like a "we don't like this new guy" thing.

it seems like that issue mostly revolves around regulars iirc

Alright, yeah, it can cover a wide variety of uses!

but hey - this system seems more civil and mature than SB, and here's hoping that it can also provide us some good LOLs along the way

this is the greatest day of my life

flag post sitta

I didn't Sb Whiney this time, so it came as a surprise to me that he got 51ed because I hadn't seen anything uncool written by him.

I'm not a moderator, but I could see where it would be confusing.

I'm still ready to hear what the new policies are. Do you have to have the same post KerPowed 51 times? 51 posts once each? Is 51 even a number anymore? Are the 30 day temp bans still the same?

and, as sincerely as possible, thanks stet for the great work.

^^^ this

I had no idea Whiney was gone again until I noticed he was absent from the poll threads. What happened now?

thumbs up!

flagged a bunch of posts itt. let me know how that works out exactly, policy seems pretty vague so far

"FPed you for that btw" just doesn't have that je ne sais quoi.

flapped

ran you up the pole

saluted your shorts

formed a silent circle of american college christians around that post you made

I'm still ready to hear what the new policies are. Do you have to have the same post KerPowed 51 times? 51 posts once each? Is 51 even a number anymore? Are the 30 day temp bans still the same?

― pplains, dinsdag 31 januari 2012 23:40 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and, as sincerely as possible, thanks stet for the great work.

― pplains, dinsdag 31 januari 2012 23:40 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This, and this. Still would like to know about the rules, but thanks Stet

joined the boy scouts to learn how to fold your post because you just got flagged

f.l.a.g.

wind moves everything around me

I'm still ready to hear what the new policies are. Do you have to have the same post KerPowed 51 times? 51 posts once each? Is 51 even a number anymore? Are the 30 day temp bans still the same?

― pplains, dinsdag 31 januari 2012 23:40 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and, as sincerely as possible, thanks stet for the great work.

― pplains, dinsdag 31 januari 2012 23:40 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This, and this. Still would like to know about the rules, but thanks Stet

― future debts collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, January 31, 2012 12:52 PM (2 minutes ago)

^^flagging these posts as awesome and not-to-be-missed

lol at "as sincerely as possible"

Serious question: Does Flag Posts have anything to do with why bookmarking is muffed up for me now? Now when I click "Bookmark" on a post, I am redirected to uppermost post displayed. This was not the case about 30 minutes ago.

I'm still ready to hear what the new policies are. Do you have to have the same post KerPowed 51 times? 51 posts once each? Is 51 even a number anymore? Are the 30 day temp bans still the same?

tbh I unfairly didn't give the mods any real warning abt this change after it was discussed on sandbox, so don't have any real policy changes yet. That said, I feel that 51 individual users saying "take action about this user" is still a strong signal, and is about the right level for action to be taken.

We can potentially focus thinking more on posts now than before -- "51 users objected to these specific posts by this user" -- and I'm thinking about tools that would help with that. We can certainly start weeding out any spurious or baffling flagged posts.

This would lead to maybe taking different actions, like (off the top of my head) if all the posts are on one specific board, why not just ban the user from that board as a first step?

If a user does get a site ban after a load of users flag their posts, I think that should still stay at a month off for the first offence, getting progressively steeper until potentially permaban. But again, need to discuss this a bit.

tldr: if 51 users have flagged your posts in the past six months, and they strike us as reasonable complaints, I'd expect a ban of some kind.

Je55e: yeah, this is another change -- thinking is that it takes you right back to the list of bookmarks so you can choose another one to read.

This the way Suggest Ban should've worked in the first place (as me and many others tried to say back then)

<3 you always tuomas, but you best believe i flagged the shit out of this post

xp fair enough stet- what's different apart from the name of the link tho?

On the mod side, I don't think anything has changed.

Do you have to have the same post KerPowed 51 times? 51 posts once each?

No and no. As before, if a poster, not a post, gets flagged 50 times within 6 months, the rule of thumb has been to give them a one month ban on the 51st.

xps

Oh.... I dunno about anyone else, but that's not how I use bookmarks. I can take this topic to another thread tho. xps

yeah i prefer the old bookmarks tbh

needless to say you're a hero for getting rid of SB

I didn't Sb Whiney this time, so it came as a surprise to me that he got 51ed because I hadn't seen anything uncool written by him.

Oh shit. Will the death of the suggbann mean the death of Dave Cool?

flagged a bunch of posts itt. let me know how that works out exactly, policy seems pretty vague so far

― am0n, Tuesday, January 31, 2012 4:46 PM (12 minutes ago)

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Confirming this will flag the post for the attention of the moderators.

Just wondering what about these posts you think needs moderator attention.

if mods ever do something dumb i'm gonna post "mods suck" or "suck it mods" or something and the flag my own post so i know they got the message

We can certainly start weeding out any spurious or baffling flagged posts.

This would lead to maybe taking different actions, like (off the top of my head) if all the posts are on one specific board, why not just ban the user from that board as a first step?

amazing that its taken three and a half years but thank you

only the words have changed

it's kinda like the end of Prohibition

lol gr80 otm

quick qn: if i sb'd somebody w/in the last 60 days will my clicking 'flag post' contribute towards a possible temp ban?

did all SB's get wiped out today?

That's EXACTLY how I use bookmarks tho - thank you Stet. xp

Je55e: stet/keith question or whoever is in charge of code these days

what's different apart from the name of the link tho?
Have changed some of the mod tools, but yea, this is semantic -- but in ways that I'm much happier about and I think are important. I'd prefer people to be going "look at this post" than "look at this poster".

(Which is really how I've thought of it for a long time, but the wording didn't reflect that.)

statesmanlike solution imo

Just wondering what about these posts you think needs moderator attention.

― Rotary Boy of the Month (WmC), Tuesday, January 31, 2012 6:01 PM

do u intend to ask that question to every person that flags a post

All the former SBs have been being recorded against actual posts for some time. Might be we need to scan over them, but haven't wiped them out wholesale. xxp

xp well, there was uproar when the moderators were unquestioningly applying the 51, can't have it both ways

The name change is enough imo, there's no longer a negative vibe hanging off every single post.

am0n: no, I just didn't see anything objectionable in that batch

test

ya i know, i was just elaborating on my question upthread about 'flag post' abuse

i suppose it can't really be abused any more than sb could huh

I think the spirit of the rules are pretty clear. Don't get down and dirty with personal attacks. Don't indulge your meanest instincts here. Don't do stuff that is socially taboo, like spouting racist nonsense, or DOS attacks. We users get to call attention to posts we think violate these rules and the mods get to decide how to handle it.

Works for me.

very cool new system

See, I have a habit of bookmarking a thread as I'm scrolling down it. If I'm reading through a hundred posts or whatever, I won't have to re-read them all to find my place again. I'll obviously just have to adjust, but I feel like the new style impedes on the utility a little.

Good job on the suggbans though, stet. It's time for a new era.

xp: but what's gonna happen to you dave?

dave cool editor of the rolling stones likes it

beachville otm

See, I have a habit of bookmarking a thread as I'm scrolling down it.

I didn't realise that I do this way more than I thought, too. Turns out I also have been clicking bookmark on the last post before reading it, for some reason. Going to give this one a few days and see what people think. I'm already finding it a bit more useful, tbh.

I agree with Aimless, the spirit of the rules are clear and otm. But I do encourage the mods to sort out the rules into details rather quickly; there are a lot of "we can potentially", "maybes", "I think" and "still need to discuss this" in Stet's reply.

I think dave cool will start a new Twitter feed to rate the flagged posts out of 10.

Oh and please keep the bookmark-jump-to-top thing. Why because it's awesome

i like that the 'flag post' warning text is a gentle but authoritative blue, not alarm the-airlock-is-opening red

thx for all the work on this, stet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP4jerUBr7Q

Any concerns about over-flagging being a PITA for you mod folk?

lol

http://i.imgur.com/8Aumh.jpg

there are a lot of "we can potentially", "maybes", "I think" and "still need to discuss this" in Stet's reply.

TBH, conceivably, I need to consider stopping doing this shit. I noticed it at work today too. Like, I can see that if I maybe ever got married, I'd be all "I think I take this woman","in health and potentially sickness", "for richer and poorer, in some circumstances".

stet otm

I can see that if I maybe ever got married

still doing it imo

poor frogbs, it's like dying just before a cure for your disease is discovered.

so wait, a single post needs to receive 51 flags now, correct?

heh

poor frogbs, it's like dying just before a cure for your disease is discovered.

http://i.imgur.com/PGlto.jpg

TBH, conceivably, I need to consider stopping doing this shit. I noticed it at work today too. Like, I can see that if I maybe ever got married, I'd be all "I think I take this woman","in health and potentially sickness", "for richer and poorer, in some circumstances".

― stet, woensdag 1 februari 2012 0:22 (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Don't know if you are being sarcastic; I was in early to applaud this change from sb to fp tbh

sorry, was just being random -- I just happened to notice today at work that I hedge things too much stimes and that reminded me.

(There really are a few open questions about FP, though.)

Cool. No problem about open q's. I think the new system offers way better options than SB.

We can certainly start weeding out any spurious or baffling flagged posts.
This would lead to maybe taking different actions, like (off the top of my head) if all the posts are on one specific board, why not just ban the user from that board as a first step?

amazing that its taken three and a half years but thank you

― ⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:03 PM (4 minutes ago)

I do this as a matter of course, and I've done so a ton in the past for loads of people i.e. whiney. I haven't said much about it b/c it isn't really anybody's business that I'm removing their haha-comedy-SBs that were cleary intended as yokes, and pruning back to the legitimate, offensive, complaints. The only way anybody would know if they were getting close/a serious number of undismissable actual SBs is when I (or another mod) tries to send them a private email saying they're getting close, and just to be careful. Maybe this isn't appreciated, because I've never heard back, but I've sent a good dozen of these in the past along the lines of 'hey, I deleted all the fake SBs, and you're still in the realm of ~40, just fyi sincerely remy'

i mean i can be more explicit about every single comedy SB i remove, pruning action but it's gonna be really boring to read, annoying to do, and it'll probably make me do it less. the criteria i use is, i think, pretty upfront:

leave the SB/flag post in place if the content flagged is:

+ racist/sexist/homophobic/whatever in a way that ACTUALLY SEEMS TO OFFEND somebody (hint: no art of pretend offense), and doesn't contribute to a discussion or thread of conversation. context is key here, but SBs for, say clumsily using the word 'retard' in a conversation about the fairness of the word 'retard' are generally safe.

+ a blatant ad hominem

+ an invasion of the privacy, or the explicitly stated and well-known wishes of a poster ('don't connect me to my place of business')

+ spam

+ off-topic pornographic or NSFW in a non-pornographic or NSFW post.

no real need for sb function at all by that token

thank you stet, i like how this change put the emphasis on a post rather than its poster.

i also like how i can't see it making much difference to the posting future of flagbs.

<3

I love you estela

flagbs...man

very cool new system

― dave cool, Tuesday, January 31, 2012 6:15 PM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark

dave cool seal of approval http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9627011/photos/cool.gif

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Is it possible for sub-board mods to see flagged posts on their particular boards? It'd make modding them easier.
That's probably not a bad idea at all, actually

― stet, Tuesday, January 31, 2012 5:28 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This would be good, I think.

hint: it's the posts about poop

can somebody wake up NV and tell him about this

I'm just manually sb'ing now by shouting "suggest ban!" at the screen

Yeah, it's not the same innit

I don't know it's got a visceral appeal

can somebody wake up momus and tell him about this

I'll get the legendary horn of waking +4

if not plenty of us could work up versions of the "this is but the terror of suggest ban cloaked in beguiling attire" schtick that'd be his inevitable take on the matter

gotta say i'm not really digging this

flopson declares flag post a flop

flop gast

you guys have seen the actual flag the mods wave haven't you?

http://moonstruckky.com/images/lunicornflag.JPG

what do you press if you just want someone banned for who they are tho

i feel like this is going to change by reading habits, like rather than breezing through threads casually sb'ing every other poster at whim i'm going to start scouring threads for actual reprehensible posts

http://users.tkk.fi/~mmlankin/SB/SB_flag.jpg

only thing i'm hopin for outta all this is that we get 65 'flag post is a gross violation of my imaginary rights' threads

l-r: ilxors in their natural habitat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMuRWRqpQXQ

l-r: ilxors in their natural habitat

this function works really well btw

classic video imo

markers knows <3

Not to ruin the festivities and all but I do want to make it clear that this is a well thought out semantic change, but doesn't change anything about the actual functionality that used to be called suggest ban.

Man I should really not post from my iPhone when I'm trying to be clear.

okie dokie crazy pants

semantic changes are the most powerful changes

can we suggest flag?

can we flag double posts or bbcode errors instead of posting in MRF?

I do want to make it clear that this is a well thought out semantic change, but doesn't change anything about the actual functionality that used to be called suggest ban.

It gives me a headache that you have to even point this out, tbh. Its like everyone's caught the dumb.

can't spell flopson w/o fp

really bummed i missed a SB clusterfuck on sandbox-- can someone link meh?

can we flag double posts or bbcode errors instead of posting in MRF?

― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Tuesday, January 31, 2012 7:46 PM (1 minute ago)

no, please keep on going to MRF with that sort of stuff -- janitorial stuff, if you will

just realized this wasnt a joke thread and noticed the change in links--this is a good thing imo, thanks stet/mods

so OK, you can flag multiple posts by the same poster (assuming those posts are being flagged for different reasons or on different occasions/threads), and each time that action will be paid some attention by mods, but otherwise the rules remain the same about 51-unique-posters being the 'total'?

well that prob was the case w/ sb too

yeah i guess i never really was clear on that, whether each SB was actually looked at or just could be looked at it if a mod felt like it, and if a 2nd SB from one poster to another even registered

can we make it so nobody gets banned?

just want to toss that idea out there

it would make ilx a lot cooler, think abt it

it would definitely lead to a gift of gabb

^^^^

(Or just save banning for serious NewGod-type cases.)

semantic changes are the most powerful changes

― dayo

idk why but i laughed

I know this is a tired old saw from me, and will likely be quoted on a lol thread etc., etc., but: I genuinely believe that if somebody is endangering the, um, spirit of community, sense of trust, or safety or privacy of ILX at large it is in the best interest of the board that there be a mechanism to (at least temporarily) separate them from the system

tbh the spirit of the community is kind of mean and funny, most of the time

http://tcritic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/theshunning.jpg

otm, anyone who isn't mean and funny enough should be separated from ilx

all hail president morbs

so OK, you can flag multiple posts by the same poster (assuming those posts are being flagged for different reasons or on different occasions/threads), and each time that action will be paid some attention by mods, but otherwise the rules remain the same about 51-unique-posters being the 'total'?

No, this isn't how it works and it wasn't how it worked before today. If you SB'd someone yesterday and FP'd the same poster (different post) tonight, that FP doesn't show up to mods. I think it would be good if it did, though -- stet, could a separate report be rigged up for that?

I know this is a tired old saw from me, and will likely be quoted on a lol thread etc., etc., but: I genuinely believe that if somebody is endangering the, um, spirit of community, sense of trust, or safety or privacy of ILX at large it is in the best interest of the board that there be a mechanism to (at least temporarily) separate them from the system

― gnome (remy bean), Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:27 PM (5 minutes ago)

ok thomas jefferson

grady and christine otm

yeah some dude raises a good point (xp thanks wmc) - if ppl can flag multiple posts by the same user that kind of messes with the numbers

The thing is, the number of sb-banned posters < the number of genuinely disruptive posters.

given that ilx is a pretty self-selecting group, bans obviously aren't necessary, we can debate whether some of the old-school ones were but i don't think anyone here can seriously say they felt unsafe or whatever when whiney or frogbs or burt_stanton was posting - imo the old school way is the best: if someone is causing problems start a (serious) "ban ___" thread, let the issues be hashed out and the offender be given a chance to defend himself, mod oligarchy makes an informed ruling

The thing is, the number of sb-banned posters < the number of genuinely disruptive posters.

― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:37 PM (1 minute ago)

kind of doubt that? who was the last actual disruptive poster? newgod? frogbs, to use the most recent example, is actually a very civil person who just says a lot of dumb shit

No, this isn't how it works and it wasn't how it worked before today. If you SB'd someone yesterday and FP'd the same poster (different post) tonight, that FP doesn't show up to mods. I think it would be good if it did, though -- stet, could a separate report be rigged up for that?

― Rotary Boy of the Month (WmC), Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:32 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OK -- so there's basically no way to flag a post if you already flagged an unrelated post by that person like two months earlier and probably already forgot about it? just trying to be clear on the utility of this thing.

there is literally no realistic scenario in which "disruptive" posts and/or posters disappear from ilx and the board is in any way better. there is no ideal peaceful environment anyone is hoping to attain.

if by disruptive we mean "fucking shit" then

OK -- so there's basically no way to flag a post if you already flagged an unrelated post by that person like two months earlier and probably already forgot about it? just trying to be clear on the utility of this thing.

― lana del rey: everythang's workin' (some dude),

Yeah, that's where we're at. Now with the semantic change from "alerting mods to this poster" to "alerting mods to this post," I do hope it'll be possible for stet to create a report page that will reflect that shift.

Hmm, I guess I should have used the inequality sign rather than the greater than sign; it wouldn't have been as accurate, but it wouldn't have been as easy to misunderstand.

oh and I figured out that I hate the jump-back-to-top thing because I reflexively click "bookmark" before I comment, so I click "bookmark" and then it jumps and then I have to hit "end" or whatever to comment.

Also I think generally it's a bit of bad browser citizenship/violates expectations. The link says "bookmark" not "bookmark and jump to the top".

Yeah I like the old bookmarks.

so this is interesting; never ever used SB but i think i'll actually use flagging.

TBF i actually did EVER use SB but quit as soon as i started steady moddin

But it's the same thing so why would you change how you use it? Idgi

because it invites moderator intervention and isn't a referendum on the poster so much as an individual post
this feels radically christian! blame the sin not the sinner etc

But, is it the point to eliminate the post or, with cause, to eliminate the poster of the post? I'm not sure there is any simple way to eliminate the post, so the poster will still be the eventual repository of the sin and receiver of the punishment.

the poster may be improved, the post may not

lol so i guess mods really were manipulating sb totals that suxx

Where do you get that from exactly

Remy talked about it upthread. I've gone on record before saying I never felt comfortable judging an SB and finding it delete-worthy.

Don't pay that no never mind, sir.

Such people will never understand what is involved in moderating a forum like ilx. They want to know the exact wording of every rule, and then want to dispute every shred of judgement a mod exercises. Basically, they just want to do what they want to do and complain about anything that might possibly prevent them.

Side note: do we record who did the flagging/suggesting? remy's judgment on validity makes it seem that may be the case, but he may be judging based on the post flagged.

Btw I think the system should not show the flagger to mods

Yeah, the flagger/SB'er is ID'd. I don't mean to throw Remy under the bus or anything. Every mod has a different approach, to the site's benefit imo, and I'm not saying mine is better than his.

It's cool, just banned Remy.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4110/5138069991_0c373fdb10.jpg

can we make it so nobody gets banned?

no; this is a terrible idea, banning is good and important & when people can't stop being uncool to people they need a fucking "you sit out for a minute" break

a minute, 30 days, same diff

it is actually the "same diff"

a month seems right about right for somebody to go "shit, there was stuff about being on that board that I enjoyed aside from going out of my way to be a dick to people, maybe when I go back I can quit being a fucking nine-year-old"

disagree.

strongly agree -- some people have poor impulse control. they need to be shown they don't have a blank check for every impulse.

I could really be talked down to 2 weeks gr80 probably it's not like I don't see the sense it the anti-SB crowd's point, although the "never ban anyone" point seems to me like a "fuck weak people! fuck anybody who can't take really relentless constant abuse from crowds of ppl who're great at bullying online!" stance which like...there's the rest of the internet for that garbage, "enjoy"

just for clarity's sake, 'suggest ban' is now 'flag post'? literally nothing else has changed?

board libertarian

no it's totally different k3v - you love flag post and do not hate it like you hated SB, it's a whole new world so dig it

yeah i mean 2 weeks seems much more fair man i've said that multiple times. that would definitely be a start. also & maybe this is just me but it'd be rad if like when a poster is accumulating SBs a mod starts a thread and is like "hey man what's your deal?" and the person can defend himself and decisions can be made from there, it'd feel more open, idk

bully the bullies.

i like it.

no gr80 - it's "respond to what bullies do by taking away their ability to do it." this is not actually hard to grasp, unless you're really obstinate & into berzerker models of community.

that post was in response to k3vin's suggestion that a mod start a thread when a poster is over 40

oh word my bad

http://28.media.tumblr.com/588qep7pYnuc5qitoTA7aXlOo1_400.jpg

actually I'm just kidding, I dgaf

my spinning instructor said that if her ufc boyfriend tatted up w/ dgaf and south bay shit friends ever found out that he was born in san diego they would fuck him up, and I mean although I feel for him I dunno I dunno

she's not really my spinning instructor really I've only spun one handful of times I think

I guess where I get really pro-SB is like the people who get repeatedly SB'd are old enough to know better. At their age, they should not need somebody to say "yo, man, check it out, you're really bugging a lot of people & carrying out battles & vendettas long after there's any conceivable value, even entertainment value, in doing so." these are dudes in their thirties. they're not wild kids who just need people to understand their energy levels. they're grownups who think if they can find somebody to be uncool to, that'll be great for them, for whatever reason. I say fuck that; flag post on any motherfucker who can't be, bare minimum, respectful to the people he's arguing with. it's not even that hard. I have permanent beef with deej but he knows I respect him and even when I'm needling him I try to stay aware that he's a person and it's gotta suck to have somebody in your community who pretty much always thinks you're dead wrong. this sort of shit has gotta be worse when it's not just asshole old dude aero but several guys in their thirties who think they're teenagers pokin' & pokin' & pokin'. recourse must be made available against that shit imo.

on a side note it's always weird to me gr80 that you're so anti-ban, you're a chill dude who doesn't ride people & I don't get why you think people need the absolute right to be total dicks to others within a community.

that post was in response to k3vin's suggestion that a mod start a thread when a poster is over 40

― ⚓ (gr8080), Wednesday, February 1, 2012 12:29 AM (5 minutes ago)

you don't think this would be preferable to what we have now?

haha wouldn't that just be like, a party for their upcoming ban

also & maybe this is just me but it'd be rad if like when a poster is accumulating SBs a mod starts a thread and is like "hey man what's your deal?" and the person can defend himself and decisions can be made from there, it'd feel more open, idk

I think anyone who made it to 40 is the kind of person who would just love and wallow in this sort of attention.

when a poster is accumulating SBs a mod starts a thread and is like "hey man what's your deal?" and the person can defend himself

Mods have enough to do without arguing over whether or not you really deserve a temp ban because you can board lawyer really well. If ilx means that much to you, just learn to be civil enough you aren't upsetting large numbers of people. It isn't rocket science.

basically i like fun, so that's how it fits with my chill dude vibe. its really fun watching frogbs be so dumb and wrong all the time. its really fun watching whiney find new and adventurous ways to be a dick. l0u1s jagg3r was like the funnest dude ever to watch post-- why would you want to stop a dude from doing that like nine times?? i am 100% aware that i am in the minority on this.

k3v, i was agreeing w/ u-- i just framed it as "bullying the bullies"

i do kinda miss gabbneb

also & maybe this is just me but it'd be rad if like when a poster is accumulating SBs a mod starts a thread and is like "hey man what's your deal?" and the person can defend himself and decisions can be made from there, it'd feel more open, idk

I think anyone who made it to 40 is the kind of person who would just love and wallow in this sort of attention.

― Steamtable Willie (WmC), Wednesday, February 1, 2012 12:38 AM (2 minutes ago)

i think that's kind of judgmental! but i don't see the harm in it either way, i don't think it's like a big burden or anything for the mods, lol

on the real though i would feel 10000x less sympathetic for someone banned for 30 days if that person was told face to face by ppl on the board like this to quit it and kept doing it anyway

lol k3v even i'll admit that that basically happens already

the problem with sb - and i have sd this time and again - is the wrong posters consistently got b& by it

the good thing abt sb were the lulz

otm as much as i h8 SB in principle, i wont deny how funny it is almost every time

its really fun watching frogbs be so dumb and wrong all the time. its really fun watching whiney find new and adventurous ways to be a dick.

lol yeah we're into some heavy "agree to disagree" territory here. I consider whiney a friend but every time he gets banned I'm like "yeah, whiney needs his quarterly ban or he'll just intentionally make as many people feel bad as possible all day"

slightly changing the topic here: i think The dave cool Experimenthttp://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif has been a wild success.

i propose that during any poster's 30-day ban, they be permitted to post under a different name given that they assume a character that is the polar opposite of the behavior they were banned for.

mods do a good job for a board this big I think

dave cool is a p mediocre gimmick tbh in large part because he wont/cant commit to the character fully

plus I think all the people who have been banned by this system, even if they may have been better posters about opinions on things than most of the board on their good days, honestly, they didn't really help me find music to listen to so I don't really care in the end maybe, probably

man be cool to dave cool, he's workin imo

lol k3v even i'll admit that that basically happens already

― ⚓ (gr8080), Wednesday, February 1, 2012 12:46 AM (4 minutes ago)

on the board, kind of. this is basically true to an extent with the emailing after 40 thanks to actually decent mods like wmc, forks, and remy, i just don't see why we don't make it into like an open, interactive intervention

xxpost: speak for yrself, deej, whiney. LJ & even frogbs have turned me on to tons of new music

^for god's sake if nothing else think of the potential lols to be had there
xp to myself

I still don't like the system for same reasons as before but this seems like a small improvement. The magic number still ignores way too many factors like when the post was made, how many posts has the person made, were they already banned because of that post, what percentage of users does this represent, are the voters even contributors to the board, and on and on.

they didn't really help me find music to listen to so I don't really care in the end maybe, probably

i can think of at least one sb'd person whose taste in music you rated p highly at one point but i think its impossible to argue that sb hasnt made the board, as a whole, less entertaining even if u dont care abt specific sbd posters themselves

Whiney doesn't turn anybody onto shit gr80 come on, his whole deal is "this sucks" all day every day to eternity

whiney turned me on to the hauschka album and weve def had productive and interesting conversations abt music

well 'productive' but yknow

lamp who is this person

basically if jaxon (who doesn't even post now but whose threads in the archive have been p productive) or scott or a bunch of other people were sb'd I would be sad sad prob, but like even then, I don't know, you're probably right, you're definitely right about the entertaining part though

Whiney doesn't turn anybody onto shit gr80 come on, his whole deal is "this sucks" all day every day to eternity

― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 01:09 (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

such a bs post

oh i was scrolling too fast and i thought that your post was aerosmith's. i dont really know what kind of music u like tbh - metal? classic funk? - but i guess that doesnt matter i mean i think annoying but passionate posters make ilm better cuz theyre willing to really engage even if theyre stupid or bullying or w/e but i mean most ilm posters have p terrible taste i guess sure

i thought i saw jaxon posting recently??

Whiney doesn't turn anybody onto shit gr80 come on, his whole deal is "this sucks" all day every day to eternity

― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 01:09 (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

such a bs post

ya srsly

lamp while I have you on the line was there a poster named ledge who was exactly like you or were you ledge or something because I swear there used to be two of you

two lamps

theres a british poster w/the user name 'ledge' who well predates my posting here but we arent v similar he posts readable posts w/caps and punctuation and is one of those v literate london ilb posters who always seems to be reading something impressive whereas a like mangas and books abt elves

I say fuck that; flag post on any motherfucker who can't be, bare minimum, respectful to the people he's arguing with. it's not even that hard. I have permanent beef with deej but he knows I respect him and even when I'm needling him I try to stay aware that he's a person and it's gotta suck to have somebody in your community who pretty much always thinks you're dead wrong.

ime your tone is consistently patronizing when you argue with people and that is a lot worse than whineyesque rude hyperbole

now I know and will try not to forget

ありがとうございます, may yours ears be as pointy as the tips of your shoes.

xp

flopson!

i've had it buzza--i've HAD it

i got your back ; )

hahaha :D

fwiw uh oh im having a fantasy i have been reading albert cossery lately and i think it was because one of your ilb posts so its not all elves all the time

lamp i never read books abt elves, where should i start?

hey i'mjust glad we could all have another great sb conversation, wish we could all just vibe in peace but some ppl love ilx death penalties it's too bad, frogbs i miss u (i miss u)

well, so if this change is all semantics and cosmetics, then i'm kinda bummed because "flag post" is much less hilarious than "suggest ban". where from the suggesteban buttezes of tomorrow?

plus it's so innocuous-sounding. flag post? don't mind if i do! much easier to casually "flag" a gnatlike opinion than to straight-up recommend that the dickhole poster behind it be BAND, right?

everything should always be the way it was, imo

for real tho this whole mischaracterization of whiney as a worhtless, pervasively negative bully/ringleader of a cast of abusive posters (i) is hella outdated (ii) doesnt acknowledge that whiney's posts are almost exclusively just jokes. a lot of people like those jokes and find them hilarious, at least 51 people find them obnoxious and distasteful and think they shit up threads with dumb ott controversial opinions. there's no significant bullying anywhere on ilx anymore. i doubt more than a handful of ppl to have ever sb'd since like, 2009, have done so because they felt they were being personally attacked, or sb'd as a response to seeing someone else attacked. that shit doesn't fly anymore afaict

plus it's so innocuous-sounding. flag post? don't mind if i do! much easier to casually "flag" a gnatlike opinion than to straight-up recommend that the dickhole poster behind it be BAND, right?

really? i'm way more reluctant to flag than to sb--with flag i feel like a mod is actually going to have to, like, put on his glasses "...really? that's what you flagged me for?"

mods like to be flagged though. it's a gesture of deference to their authority and wisdom. hey, like, i could use your help here in the understanding of this thing here, if you don't mind...

yeah contenderizer otm f mods!

thread picked up overnight

theres a british poster w/the user name 'ledge' who well predates my posting here but we arent v similar he posts readable posts w/caps and punctuation and is one of those v literate london ilb posters who always seems to be reading something impressive whereas a like mangas and books abt elves

fame at last

Thank you for your most recent post there, readable with caps and punctuation and tha.

poll

really? i'm way more reluctant to flag than to sb--with flag i feel like a mod is actually going to have to, like, put on his glasses "...really? that's what you flagged me for?"

Agreed. I feel like my sb habits became increasingly conservative over the years to the point where I would rarely click the button. But in some circumstances, I know I have clicked sb on non-sb worthy (like, minorly confrontational) posts because my negative feelings about the poster were amplified by the perceived strength of past wrongs.

Like for example, Morbs might say something that pisses me off in a thread (which is his thing, I understand) for some reason and I'll remember that time he called me "fascist" once and KA-BLAM...Suggest Ban.

IIRC from suggbann discussions previous, the official mod policy was that it didn't matter which individual post was sb'd (aside from "Renegade" Remy Bean, apparently). It would count in the total against the poster.

I will not be clicking the Flag Post button as cavalierly, knowing that mods will be paying attention.

I for one would sincerely hope this will bring K4te back to the forum

seem to recall posting her name isn't likely to help with that

Sigh I know but all these nicknames. Fothering Thomas then

I guess where I get really pro-SB is like the people who get repeatedly SB'd are old enough to know better. At their age, they should not need somebody to say "yo, man, check it out, you're really bugging a lot of people & carrying out battles & vendettas long after there's any conceivable value, even entertainment value, in doing so." these are dudes in their thirties. they're not wild kids who just need people to understand their energy levels. they're grownups who think if they can find somebody to be uncool to, that'll be great for them, for whatever reason. I say fuck that; flag post on any motherfucker who can't be, bare minimum, respectful to the people he's arguing with. it's not even that hard. I have permanent beef with deej but he knows I respect him and even when I'm needling him I try to stay aware that he's a person and it's gotta suck to have somebody in your community who pretty much always thinks you're dead wrong. this sort of shit has gotta be worse when it's not just asshole old dude aero but several guys in their thirties who think they're teenagers pokin' & pokin' & pokin'. recourse must be made available against that shit imo.

this is totally otm but let's be real it describes whiney and whiney only

flagging aero's posts for otmness

Lamp for fantasy recommendations, ledge for crossword puzzles iirc

uh oh I'm recommending a fantasy

^

actually when was the last time ANYBODY besides whiney or frogbs hit 51? i mean if this policy only really effects 2 people anymore we might as well just say so

let's make a list!

I don't have any hard data to back me up on this, but it's my feeling that the fear of a SB / FP plays part of the role in keeping people acting decently in stressy/het-up situs.

FEAR OF A BAN PLANET

it's my feeling that the fear of a SB / FP plays part of the role in keeping people acting decently in stressy/het-up situs.

you don't think some people who got sugg-bans (without necessarily getting 51'd) might enjoy the idea of being a controversial poster? that there was never a bragging element to post-yr-sb-number ?

I was braggin about how nice everyone must have thought I was since they didn't sb me too much. It was a holier-than-thou thing I admit it.

good point tho can we get a thread title change there pls

if people are in a stressy/het-up situation and their immediate reaction to that is to be needlessly offensive or otherwise make sb/fp-worthy posts, would they really have the self-control/nous to think 'oh no but i might be sb'd/fp'd so i shouldn't say that'? I feel like, when your difficult behaviour is brought up, the initial human reaction is much more to go 'fuck these people who can't handle me' and much less to go 'maybe i should tone down my carefully-crafted internet persona'.

i guess i felt like sb was more there for the people who got a month without [controversial poster] around, and less for [controversial poster] to learn any ~important life lessons~ about interacting with other people without pissing them off.

anyway, fp seems like an interesting idea, let's see what happens.

i symapthize w/ aerosmiths argument but it seems pretty clear that in practice SB wasnt an "anti-bullying" system so much as a "anti-annoying" system which seems like a stupid way to run a message board

ps i never read ILM

big ps there

xp: yeah, it seems like that's the way it really worked out.

and even in the context of anti-annoying -- like image-bombing wouldve just earned a straight up ban -- SB was more about being a long-term one-note poster -- frankly i dont feel comfortable leaving determinations of "one-note-ness" to a mob

Like, frogbs was either trolling or had desperately poor communications skills. Whiney is an short-tempered ape who shits on threads by nature (although he certainly has the capacity in his heart to be cool). Most other cases in which I can recall people being sb'd were just quirky.

I can't off the top of my head remember any people who were considered straight "bullies" after Dom. To be fair, I don't remember anything about the circumstances surrounding his ban.

i think SB removed some posters without whom ILX is much better - but those posters should have been permabanned by the mods anyway, regardless of SB. as a system it was entirely wrong-headed for reasons that seem obvious to me.

i think everyone who has been SBed came back? probably the posters youre thinking of were just straight up banned

- morbs
- deej
- whiney
- frogbs

who else has been sbd

yeah dom/jw/chaki/etc weren't 51'd

wasn't lj sbd

many times & his sb's are the strongest arguments against the system imo

A LIST!!!!

3 or 4 times iirc (xp re LJ)

bimble

I can't keep track of usernames, is LJ around these days? feel like flagging a couple of his posts would be a good way to acclimate myself to the new system

people like morbs, deej, whiney, k8 and tuomas should never have been banned - maybe given a time-out from a thread at most - but those are all long-term posters and strong, distinct characters who are all as loved as they are hated, and the haters should frankly just DEAL with them and their character peccadilloes instead of hiding behind a SB b/c they can't take someone who's a bit different

LJ around these days?

He posts here and there

Wait you mean 'Underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned' isn't LJ?

I think this new system should be a Year Zero for New-nu-ILX and we should unban everyone, cancel all extant SBs/FPs, and see how it goes...

Lamp wrote this on thread ADMIN LOG WATCH on board Cape Of Good Hope on Feb 5, 2011

lol this is really sad but as far as i can tell:

2008:
deeznuts
country matters
2009:
gabbneb
tuomas
burt_stanton
dom
and what
captain lorax
gabbneb
doc morbius
bimble
pipecock
whiney
cankles
country matters (?)
special guest stars mark bronson/history mayne
geir
masonic boom
j0rdan s
2010:
cankles
whiney g
bo jackson overdrive/cattle grind
daramouss
masonic boom/karen d. tregaskin
evernn (?)
kelpolaris
ilxor
whiney
deej

Thing is, if there was an out-and-out racist troll or poster posting, I dunno, really obnoxious rape gags or something, the chances are the SB system flagged them up in the first place and they were banned way before the 51 mark.

There's not much point asking about straight-up policy at this point as it hasn't yet been determined (my guess is that a lot more mod discretion will be involved and I personally would be inclined to use more yellow cards). I'm sure Stet will post something once it has, until then there's not much point speculating, as people tend to say things that take on a life of their own on these threads.

this is better, and as sincerely as possible, thanks stet for the great work.

I think this new system should be a Year Zero for New-nu-ILX and we should unban everyone, cancel all extant SBs/FPs, and see how it goes...

― onimo, Wednesday, February 1, 2012 8:48 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

amnesty for all!

Except Newgod

Newgod not actually banned iirc?

winter arrived for newgod

I FPed him.

feel newgod should be banished to his own sub bord forever begging to the void for someone to ban him

I think this new system should be a Year Zero for New-nu-ILX and we should unban everyone, cancel all extant SBs/FPs, and see how it goes...

―onimo, Wednesday, February 1, 2012 8:48 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

amnesty for all!

―lag∞n,Wednesday, February 1, 2012 8:57 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post

In favor.

not just the sbed tho, all the banned

hm.
http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/01/the-trouble-with-popularity/

I think this new system should be a Year Zero for New-nu-ILX and we should unban everyone, cancel all extant SBs/FPs, and see how it goes...

and cats will lie with dogs

but those are all long-term posters and strong, distinct characters who are all as loved as they are hated, and the haters should frankly just DEAL with them and their character peccadilloes instead of hiding behind a SB b/c they can't take someone who's a bit different

lex, you have a distinct personality with plenty of peccadilloes/quirks and yet you've never been banned, how do you explain that?

I'm still kind of weirded out by the fact the admin interface shows who clicked flag post/sb! I mean, linking it to a post makes sense and it obviously has to store it in the database so that one person can't repeatedly flag another person, but it really raises the possibility of mod bias. I like all the mods, but having that level of anonymity when it comes to flagging makes it more likely people will flag when they feel necessary, not "omg is the mod going to judge me for flagging this or am I outing myself in some way"

for instance, if someone was the real life victim of something and doesn't want to admit it on board, but tends to flag posts that are in that vein...

To me, the banning is more of a protective measure than anything. Kind of a "why don't you chill because your life is being consumed by interacting with this online community in a way they perceive as negative, go get some perspective" thing

in the name of transparency this info should be made public

in the name of transparency this info should be made public

honestly the "system" would actually work if people would say "you're being an asshole right now on this thread, I'm going to flag the next asshole post you make" to the person they're about to flag. then that person could say YOU BIG BABY AWWW CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT and get the flag they want & deserve.

yes but yet still i desire to apprehend with mine own eyes this mod dashboard display

wait the system shows who flagged what? thought the whole point was anonymity

yeeeeah

stepping forward, i flagged the first post in this thread, just felt right

Not that I expect mods to be impartial, because they're human, but it'd be nice if the tools kind of helped them in that direction!

wait the system shows who flagged what? thought the whole point was anonymity
Anonymous from other posters, not from site mods. We need to be able to see if the FP is coming from a brand-new sock or w/e

I suppose we could hide it and just have "flagged by user who has made 3000 posts and been registered for 2 years" or s/thing.

mod visibility is good, it gives people who get their posts flagged an opportunity to claim that the mods have really got it in for them

I suppose we could hide it and just have "flagged by user who has made 3000 posts and been registered for 2 years" or s/thing.

that would be better I think.

But even so, a new user is only going to be able to flag someone once, right? Trying to block the possibility that someone is going to register 50 accounts to try to block someone seems to be planning for a really unlikely situation, imo

That modification wouldn't account for long-time-ilxor/everchanging-username dickholes.

wait is this sudden need to have fps anonymized from mods in response to an actual thing or are we just totally strawmanning right now

I don't give a damn what a mod sees. It's like a doctor looking up your bum. NBD.

It just seems like a wise thing and in line with what other online communities do? idk, it just seems like it'd block potential problems down the road

having them *not* anonymous because we think someone might use a bunch of accounts to over-flag seems like planning for a situation that may not happen

god u guys are SO naive

the only other place I know of w/flagging is Metafilter, and they're not anonymous there. also, the "someone might use a bunch of accounts to SB" was a totally common complaint back in the auto-SB days.

I actually don't know why they should be anonymous from site mods. What's the benefit? Saying that biased mod x might have deleted your FP and so some awful user sits at 49, escaping forever? Seems just as unlikely to me.

flagging is a pretty common thing on loads of sites (flag as inappropriate) and its always anonymous (like on CL you dont even have to be registered).

I actually don't know why they should be anonymous from site mods. What's the benefit?

maybe if you think of possible examples of this:

for instance, if someone was the real life victim of something and doesn't want to admit it on board, but tends to flag posts that are in that vein...

Mods have always been able to see who's gone on SB sprees, but they were so unremarkable, and never pushed anyone closer to a 51 who wasn't clearly well on their way to it anyway, that the topic literally -- literally -- has never come up on the mod discussion board. I will say it's been entertaining watching it happen, and seeing who is willing to SB for apparently nothing at all, and who holds it in reserve for a really egregious post.

im not a player i just sb a lot *shrug*

Looking forward to the day 50 years hence when these files are made public xp

I was thinking of mefi, too, stet. Are you positive it's not anon there?

yes, certain

Oh hey it's in their FAQ. I stand corrected

I will say it's been entertaining watching it happen, and seeing who is willing to SB for apparently nothing at all, and who holds it in reserve for a really egregious post.

I would like to be thusly entertained.

yah srsly this is no fair

Take me on a tour of mod village.

seeing who is willing to SB for apparently nothing at all

personally i feel validated somebody is enjoying my work

I'm still kind of weirded out by the fact the admin interface shows who clicked flag post/sb!

this has always been the case and is A+ sensible, plus one of the best lols I ever had from ILX was finding out who one of my two SBs was for and from what post

See, I could only really lol at it. I wouldn't go on a rampage after whoever sb'd me or anything.

oh I don't think it should be broadly public

btw everyone notice how warm, agreeable and communal the clusterfuck here on the Flag Post thread is, the FP system works imo, case closed

I didn't realize SB was linked to posts and such anyway, so this has been illuminating

who one of my two SBs was for and from what post

"was from and for which post", sorry

so really FP is identical to SB, but without the auto-kickout at 51

no doubt this has been said already

at 51 your username is auto-changed to lou1s j4gger as a precautionary measure

this has always been the case and is A+ sensible, plus one of the best lols I ever had from ILX was finding out who one of my two SBs was for and from what post

― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Wednesday, February 1, 2012 10:43 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

share

FP is identical to SB but without the words "Suggest Ban" after "Bookmark"

can we change the wording to "Suggest Bookmark" for bookmarks so there's still a SB?

dude i just flag posted you by accident sorry

i was trying to bookmark whilst having a convo

it should be 'suggest bookmark' and when you use it sometimes it bokmarks sometimes it doesnt

it's ok

Now that I know mods know who flagged, I think there should be a prize in the admin forum if you can guess how many flags you have and who did it

if a mod could remove my accidental flagpost i'd appreciate it

Was it me you actually flagged? I wouldn't mind keeping it, as a flag of recognition.

pretty sure I am currently under 10 anyway

when is this functionality coming online

http://cdn.stereogum.com/files/2011/03/wild-flag-seven-inch-cover.jpg

bringin' back old-school functionality

Taking Sides: Pasties vs Pasties

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aw OK but if any sober mod thinks I shouldn't, pls nuke or scramble this post:

- on an old SB clusterfuck thread, someone or other had argued that SB improved the ILX experience in no way whatsoever.
- I had replied "It improves the LOL experience."
- 6-12 months later, I learned that I had 2 SBs total, and one of them was from [a pacifist anti-SB mod] on that post

I've never asked for my SB#, but if others are also learning exactly who are clicking their SB/FP buttons, then I want to know too.

You were sb'd for moustache and pleated slacks combo by entire I Love Style contingent, iirc.

you're at 1, PP

who did it?

just some chump

was it a pacifist?

I guess I should ask sic how he found out.

Sic, how did you find out who sb'ed you?

You've come this far sharing with all of us, you may as well come the rest of the way.

*pauses*

its because hes a mod

kind of loling at pplains not figuring that out

kind of flagging you for loling

- 6-12 months later, I learned that I had 2 SBs total, and one of them was from [a pacifist anti-SB mod] on that post

this wasn't me, was it? I mean cuz if so it was either a malformed joek or an accident. either way, it's gone now.

Ohhhhh.

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/9752/animalfarmsm0.jpg

i know toumas isnt a site mod but i like to think the [a pacifist anti-SB mod] was him

actually, once you agree to become a mod, you lose all posting privileges and your account is taken over by Tuomas and run as a sockpuppet

i feel like [a pacifist anti-SB mod] is a good candidate for autoreplace

everything makes so much sense now xp

thought id grab this before some other lucky bastard got it

nothing has changed from sb, where are my fucking pills ffs, i mean you're not even FIGHTING in here

just waiting for some guy to turn up y'know

GENTLEMEN THIS IS THE WAR... oh shit never mind

the system works

are we talking about the software system, the system of mods, or the entire ecosystem of ilx including all users and outside media

kidding, this isn't the racism thread

look this is all very nice and collegial and self-congratulatory but deep down we all know stet fucked up and needs to re-instate sb and maybe drop from 51 to 25 and also avatars

I was kind of thinking of writing some JS/maybe a browser extension for ilx the other day to make a "heavy" version of the site with a lot of stuff

avatars could maybe work

ts: sb/fp threads vs. tipping threads

avaban yo ass

http://img1.jurko.net/avatar_5132.gif I'm open and ready to join in that discussion again.

just when I thought it was safe to love fun again

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/lixnixn/joy_iknowit.gif 'Sup beach. FaPed anyone lately?

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“Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country and giving it to the rich people of a poor country” - Ron Paul

omg

lol

I just flagged two of my own posts on ILTMI to see if I could then see they'd been flagged. I can't. idgi. :/

ur not a site mod dawg

pwn

:)

no but I should be

not really

I thought I read something earlier about sub-board mods being able to see them? I was testing it out. It backfired.

i thought stet said that was a modification that might be worth looking into, not something that is available now.

someone suggested that bord mods be privy to stats, which contrary to popular belief isnt the same as implementing it, anyway i support erica for site mod even if she is a bit unclear on the concept

haha well thank you

I have been working for once and haven't had a chance to read the whole thread in detail. Thank you for clarifying.

looks like she has two FPs which makes her ineligible unfortunately those are just the rules xp

haha

HEY!!!

*pouts*

can the mods just know that anytime i flag a post, even if it seems innocuous, i'm being serious and it doesn't need to be "interpreted" as a "joke FP" or something? just count all my FPs, ok?

Stet, can you remove my self-flags, pls? I learned my lesson. TIA.

otm

mod collusion, so corrupt

it is done

:)

:)

I didn't realise SB was linked to a specific post. I think I've only SBd one person? But when I did I took a few hours to calm down and think it over and probably SBd some totally random post like "lol I like meatballs too" or sth

Your SB is linked to a particular post, but I iirc mods weren't supposed to consider which post it was linked to.

can the mods just know that anytime i flag a post, even if it seems innocuous, i'm being serious and it doesn't need to be "interpreted" as a "joke FP" or something? just count all my FPs, ok?

this. also count mine as double cuz theyre so righteous

is there a way to tweak the code so that when i fp someone they die, should only take 5 mins thx

probably SBd some totally random post like "lol I like meatballs too"

dang, what did markers ever do to piss you off?

when you add the small flag icons to posts, can you make that so we customize them? i have some design ideas for the bnw flags i want to appear when someone offends me. ok thanks

haha i didn't know about this until dj just threatened to flag some dumb post i made, is this explained somewhere?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_efJ7F6eu9cI/TJzisNu-srI/AAAAAAAAACM/d83N5j3Gcvs/s1600/reservoir-dogs2.jpg

pretty sure Aimless would be the only ilxor left after a couple of days

nah, even he would be snuffed

xp lagoon

haha i didn't know about this until dj just threatened to flag some dumb post i made, is this explained somewhere?

ill explain it to you now: you are getting to permab& nice knowing u peace

bye bye lamp, i hope you have a good life

the net significance of any given poster's fup should be inversely proportional to the number of fups they hand out

Thank you, Paul McCartney.

I've had almost a day to get a feel for the new bookmarking and I it's not working for me. If it stays I won't die or anything, but just wanted to give my feedback.

Would it be feasible to allow users to set in preferences whether they want to-the-top bookmarking or not? That would make everyone happy!

By the way, I want to say that Whiney sort of has a short fuse or whatever, but I really like him and it's weird to me that he's been repeatedly banned. While I'm handing out opinions.

yeah i dont like the bookmarking either.

Would it be feasible to allow users to set in preferences whether they want to-the-top bookmarking or not? That would make everyone happy!

I agree

NB: I'm 100% clueless re what's under the hood of ILX coding and what not, so I'm sorry if it's is a terrible suggestion.

I want to say that Whiney sort of has a short fuse or whatever, but I really like him and it's weird to me that he's been repeatedly banned. While I'm handing out opinions.

love whiney, but it's no mystery. if charlie manson had "pls ban me" tattooed on his forehead, he'd be CGW.

I really hate the new bookmarking thing. I'm sorry! I love ILX and stet. Or I loved stet until he ruined bookmarks.

the new bookmarking thing is revealing all sorts ilx reading habits to me, like really like to go back and reread my posts because i am conceded

you should of spelled that word differently. but you probably could care less.

haha

lol'd at Paul McCartney

Your SB is linked to a particular post, but I iirc mods weren't supposed to consider which post it was linked to.

this presumes exciting new telepathic powers for all mods, when warning ppl about what sort of behaviour was garnering them clusters of SBs

If you can't love the one you mod, then mod the one you're with

kinda hate "fup"

fop

ctrl+f'd "hen fp" & ...nothing? Where am I?

that's fup duck

http://www.spread-the-word.org.uk/assets_cm/files/image/fup.jpg

gr8 book

*quacks*

that's fup duck

― Phibes Kartel (NickB), Thursday, February 2, 2012 10:58 AM (19 minutes ago)

2012 is going to be a great year for you, isn't it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcIgIyzh27k

nuf said

funny thread, wonder why every1 remembers my sb above so many others like j0rdan

the day you and whiney both got 51'd was quite memorable

http://youtu.be/TKDwbdKTIVY?t=34s

how's this workin, as a sea change? are ppl hittin sb less than they were fp?

or vice versa

had to change my humorous abbreviations dictionary

when I see "fp", I'm inclined to wonder who is "p"?

can we have a comment field for writing like 'srsly this guy is the worst look' when we flag posts so that the mods know what were talking abt

What are you talking about - flagging posts for cargo shorts?

maybe sometimes both the world is full of possibilities

18 FPs in the last week,at least a few that are perplexing, and a few very valid FPs that received multiple votes

only 18??? step yr game up ilx

just fyi mods in the near term most stuff im flagging is because its 'too much like graduate school'

18 FPs in the last week,at least a few that are perplexing, and a few very valid FPs that received multiple votes

this is annoying to me - the FPs that you don't understand are invalid? just because you don't get it doesn't mean it doesn't have a reason. maybe we do need explanatory notes.

what was an average number of SBs in a week in the old era?

my old method was i would cumulatively get annoyed at someone until i decided i wanted them gone and i'd just hit suggest ban on the next of their posts i saw. now i have to wait until they post something that's going to make sense as being offensive to hit "flag post" so i can make sure it's going to get counted.

when whiney was around or when he was already banned? xp

Have I been FP'd yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ix0yl5lKw0

my old method was i would cumulatively get annoyed at someone until i decided i wanted them gone and i'd just hit suggest ban on the next of their posts i saw. now i have to wait until they post something that's going to make sense as being offensive to hit "flag post" so i can make sure it's going to get counted.

This. SB could mean "this poster is fucking up" but FP suggests that one post in particular is the problem.

what if it was changed it to "Flag Poster"

then, when you clicked on it, a giant picture of flags popped up to soothe your irritation/anger

should be lil flags next to everyones names

based on their IP address

everyone maybe has their own flag icon when they fp u it goes next to yr name collect them all

can we have a comment field for writing like 'srsly this guy is the worst look' when we flag posts so that the mods know what were talking abt

― lag∞n, Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:12 PM (44 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i would like this, but i would also like it to be public. i was also the mean person who wanted people to know when i SB'ed them. nb i have not flagged any posts.

I call Nunavut

lebanon is the best flag everyone knows that it has a tree on it

"GOD WHAT THE SHIT ANONYMOUS ILXOR?!?!?!"

>>.clicks "Flag Post".<<

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http://flagspot.net/images/g/gb!slnd2.gif

http://pull.imgfave.netdna-cdn.com/image_cache/1309947950366976.gif

http://i.imgur.com/gFyJt.jpg

actually wait jjj is otm dibsys

I haven't FP'ed anyone posts since the switch from SBs, but I half decided that if I did, I would post here why I did it.

i really think this idea of everyone getting their own flags is crucial

Je55e, I admire your openness. I'll follow your lead (although I haven't FPd anyone yet either).

Mods aren't arbitrarily deciding some posts are valid and others not... There are obviously some posts that're just made in error i.e. flagged innocuous posts by non controversial posters on innocuous threads who haven't been involved in a throw down or dispute or CF thread and I was pointing these out as not really contributing to the number of "true" FPs in any way

just flagged this post^^^

remy if we're given the right to gang up and remove a poster, we should be able to do that to any poster, not just ones the mod cabal have deemed as "controversial"

yeah p sure my flag posts could be read a innocuous or accidental or w/e but theyre not

i mean im not under the delusion that certain users will be removed but i would like my complaints to be filed under 'serious stuff'

^^flag

that was an accident by mr que mods fyi

I mentioned upthread but it seems to have been lost: I would like to know if I have been flagged at all.

i think what remy is saying is that these are flags that prob wont really add up/matter in the long run. none of them are getting removed.

yeah but i want acknowledgment, and a lil flag

yeah it would be cool to see a wineybomb have like 13 little waving flags lined up next to it

yes they r animated gifs of course

should only take 5 mins

Wild Flag Post

feel like public flags turns the system from a way to direct the mods' attention to troublesome posts/posters into like a reified system of public opprobrium. would really just increase the potential for jokeyness.

you've won me over, let's do it

I haven't FP'ed anyone posts since the switch from SBs, but I half decided that if I did, I would post here why I did it.

fyi there is a thread for this: who have you sb'd recently?

I have to say that personally I'm just sort of sad that I never really got to get rolling with the SB system before it was gone, because I'm the kind of weird, narrow-topic nerd ILXor that never gets into the like 4,000-post clusterfuck threads and is sort of left feeling left out and confused when y'all start reminiscing about all the great times that (name) ruined ILX and you all SBed him and I'm like, man...I wish I'd been a part of that.

I think I probably SBed Geir once and that might be it. But it seems like the new system is really missing the angle of "I want it registered, not necessarily to any specific human who has to go through and look at these stupid things, that such-and-such poster is being a really tedious pain in the ass whose one-sided, attention-seeking trolling is derailing good conversation and just kind of crashing the party of a thread that was really groovy until they showed up." Like, you don't want the site to become this echo chamber of always-agreeing sameness, sure, but that's never going to happen, and in the meantime it'd be nice for the small, delicate threads to be able to do their thing without the Morbses of the world coming in and sucking up all the air.

iow, sb'ing FP

I FP'd once and regretted it. I'd take it back if I could. A couple posts, too. Could mods set up a "regret post" option

Never mind it seems already to be working

What precisely is the scenario where someone would be racking up the SBs but not providing any posts worth FPing? I mean, other than "the name of this scenario is ILX".

But it seems like the new system is really missing the angle of "I want it registered, not necessarily to any specific human who has to go through and look at these stupid things, that such-and-such poster is being a really tedious pain in the ass whose one-sided, attention-seeking trolling is derailing good conversation and just kind of crashing the party of a thread that was really groovy until they showed up."

I believe the procedure is to go off to the riverbank, cut down a reed, yell your grievances into it, and let the river carry away around the bend.

What precisely is the scenario where someone would be racking up the SBs but not providing any posts worth FPing?

Under SB, you did not necessarily have to click SB on an offending post. As I understand it, part of the whole FP thing is closer mod scrutiny for aspects of actual offensiveness, whereas people definitely got sb'd in the past just for being annoying.

Right, but how is this a bad thing?

It isn't. People shouldn't be banned "just for being annoying". FP should, ideally, make sure that people are banned only for an actual reason.

being annoying is an actual reason. you may not like the actual reason. but.

It isn't an actual reason, because there's no one definition of "annoying" in the first place.

it's when you have a crush on somebody and don't want to say it, iirc

hey... I uh...flagged your post... *grins sheepishly, toes the ground*

Do you want to flag my post?
Please tick:

( ) Yes
( ) No

If that's what it is, why would you want to ban him then?

(xx-post)

oh great, now RHCP's 'Suck My Kiss' is playing in my mind with the lyrics "your mouse was made to flag my post"...

baby, i'll ban you any time of day or night

wearing a sexy new pair of banderpants

'banderpants' sound like something the Jabberwocky would wear.

Frumious Banderpants. A new jam band iirc.

annoy verb (annoyed, annoying) 1 to anger or distress. 2 to harass or pester. annoyed adj. annoying adj. annoyingly adverb.
ETYMOLOGY: 13c: from Latin inodiare to cause aversion.

Dr C, love you the most to say the least

annoy verb (annoyed, annoying) 1 to anger or distress. 2 to harass or pester.

See, even the dictionary can't settle on just one definition.

is there no word for annoying in Finnish?

"speedo"

(for the record I have never actually SB'ed or FP'ed morbs, although when the bandwagon was going on some threads i was certainly tempted, for the sake of being one of the cool kids)

We should just have a piley-on button.

*plop* on poster

maybe instead of flagposting people who annoy us we shd just start a thread about why they are annoying. cd maybe jokily call for them to be banned in the title.

you guys are totally missing the point, nothing has changed since sb except that posters aren't automatically banned at 51 (which hadn't been the case for a while anyways.) mods just take a look at flagged posts when it gets up there and make a decision

you can still flag generic posts by posters you don't like & it won't be discarded

piley-ons is more fun

I just wish I could register a one-time rolling Flag Morbs.

well, it's a full life

I think it's changed in that you need a certain burden of proof that someone is actually saying obviously unconscionable shit - if you're feeling annoyed but there's no post that would convince someone else, then take yourself over to the reeds in the river.

nope you're wrong

none of them are getting removed.

― Thu'um gang (jjjusten), Thursday, 8 March 2012 14:51 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i love all these people who aren't mods making sincere posts explaining exactly how the fuck this still arbitrary system does and doesnt work

Sure, but they count against the posts, not the poster. Is it really hard to understand, I thought they made it clear with the name change.

The trolls will always be with us.

when somebody says something stupid, you hit the button and a stranger dies. no different than it ever was.

I haven't FP'ed anyone posts since the switch from SBs, but I half decided that if I did, I would post here why I did it.

― garbage corn fan (Je55e), Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:14 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark

OK, so I flagged a post, but it was not about the individual post, but really a "flag user." I too recently got into a fracas over my objections to a poster's habits, so I'll leave it at that. I just wanted to follow through on what I said I'd do.

thank you for the follow though, really glad you stuck 2 your word.

i think everyone's flag post should be deleted unless they discuss it in this thread

I would like to say in advance that if I flag a post, it is because I thought that the post needed to be flagged. In the future, please apply this discussion of the reasons for my flagging a post to all the flag posts I employ. ty

i flagged a post tnite too! rarely do i feel like individual posts can truly represent my broader objections to the poster, but this post was offensive on both a micro + macro level so i'm feeling really good about my choice.

rated X, rated NC-17...

hey jesse, can you keep us updated on your flag post habits, it's really interesting to multiple posters, we'd really appreciate it, thanks

if only it was as interesting as k3vins dry witty sarcasm and insights into other peoples posting man that would be just the best

http://www.northcarolina.edu/frc/soldiers_salute_flag.jpg

let's all salute k3vin!

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Ha Deric OTM (no sarcasmo).

if only it was as interesting as k3vins dry witty sarcasm and insights into other peoples posting man that would be just the best

― Rango Unchained (jjjusten), Friday, April 13, 2012 12:58 AM (23 minutes ago)

hey i just post about basketball these days bro

also grammar, use the subjunctive, come on

good tip. maybe you could try not being an asshole sometimes.

i'm just joshin man

oh i wasn't reacting to your grammar tip, i was talking abt the fact that you are a dick all the time here and maybe it might be more fun for you to not be that.

nah

yep

on the KIP tip, i support your only posting about basketball plan because i hate basketball and i will never read your posts so KIU

kevin telling a poster they suck is better than 51 anonymous pussies getting someone banned for a month

depends on the poster tbrr

i, for one, salute the magic of anonymous pussy

but that's the thing. je55e isn't being anonymous. he's being really really transparent about things.

opposition to sb/fp frequently takes a tone of such fervent hysteria that I wonder what happened to those posters earlier in their lives to influence their views.

Mothers smoking during pregnancy, stolen bike, that sort of thing.

Think we should probably wait until such point as someone is actually banned as a result of this (assuming they even will be) before decided whether this new system is a stupid or arbitrary one but hey whatever really.

why did sb's stop happening when fp came in? What aren't we being told?

http://www.bumperstickerz.com/images/10000274-01-00-00-00_lg.png

http://peaceandloveism.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/5231820976_ce0ff4135c_z.jpg

Next step: replace Flag Post with Bear Hug

or Destroy Board

Are we now expected to rise to the level of knowing every bit of dialogue that accompanies every Simpsons still btw, Deric? It's a full life.

http://simpsonspedia.net/images/thumb/8/86/Steve_Johnson.png/200px-Steve_Johnson.png

That episode is like 16 years old. You've had time.

haha, suuuure I remember gags from a little cartoon show I saw once in the mid '90s. Never been a reruns addict.

and that little cartoon show grew up to be Roy Cohn

"little cartoon show" was a Letterman MEME [sic] for the Simpsons early on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pje34fUgLQ

It's fairly broadly applicable to ILX.

and that little cartoon show grew up to be Roy Cohn

― red is hungry green is jawless (Noodle Vague), Friday, April 13, 2012 7:56 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

irl lol

zatta 'nother Simpsons line? if so, Paul Harvey parody (ie britishes don't get it)

You may be interested to know, Morbz, that Jerry guested as Professor Frink's father in the Simpsons' Treehouse of Horror XIV in 2003.

I am aware of that

"I am familiar with his work"

^^^ wheels within wheels

flags w/in posts

Why would you flag a post for moderator attention that's barely an opinion, much less a controversial one, and expressed in the mildest terms possible? "________'s songs are less danceable than the other ones on this list." Seriously, what the fuck do you want a mod to do about that? Flag your own god damn self.

thinking abt maybe just flagging posts that mods might find intersting

yeah, I wouldn't FP that but depending what's in that blank it might have been worth an SB, this is proof we need both IMHO

maybe that person posted the same opinion to thousands of threads and it was becoming tiresome

it was probably a reflex click, like people who have lost a limb but who still feel they have a phantom one

i fp people p much exclusively for things I find annoying that are not ban worthy

CONTEXT

i flag a post when i've reached my limit w/ the poster
mods, read it like an sb plz and don't over think

otmoandotms

I'm hilarious.

^flagged

I don't think I've used FP at all yet.

i've fp'd at least one totally innocuous post completely by accident, thanks to my stupid phone (sorry, kinder!)

rip kinder

Why would you flag a post for moderator attention that's barely an opinion, much less a controversial one, and expressed in the mildest terms possible? "________'s songs are less danceable than the other ones on this list." Seriously, what the fuck do you want a mod to do about that? Flag your own god damn self.

Pretty sure that was me :D

FP is just SB in disguise i'm still gonna use it for people who badmouth Smokey Robinson cheers

No worries -- FPing mild opinions will always be o_O to me but I got the bile out of my system for the time being. Guess I should have just flagged your post instead.

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― aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Saturday, April 21, 2012 1:25 PM (18 seconds ago)

^model positivity, *flags post to remind self*

tbf i was drunk and sometimes the innocuous looking opinion is actually "50th instance of a poster's steez that has tipped me into dropping the bomb" but yeah i'm a bad team member i know :(

nah fp evry day imo

i still don't really "get" flag post so i just don't use it

the system is working^^

anyone close to being fp'd? been too long imo.

agreed; going to be doing my part to speed it up

let me confirm that you just did

anyone close to being fp'd?

no

name change as an exercise in behavioral psychology

I think what I miss is just the clarity of someone saying "just sb'ed (poster)," as opposed to the notion that anyone would look at the SBs, count to 51, or actually ban anybody. It filled a valuable niche in the ILXicon. Maybe I'll just start saying it without FPing anyone.

Maybe I'll just start saying it without FPing anyone.

word magic

say it dont fpay it

otm

in 6.5 months of flag post, exactly 0 posters have been banned, right?

seems like maybe time for talk about whether this means "flag post" (as opposed to "suggest ban") is working

or possibly not working

Flagged your post to get the moderators' attention. Hope it helps.

otm. suggest ban was working. i used to think rebranding didn't work.

I kinda didn't get the point of Suggest Ban either though. People would behave badly, take a break, and then come back and behave badly again. I guess it was better because there were breaks?

precisely

Also people behaved better.

I have to say I feel like the religious anti-SB crew have been kinda vindicated by "Flag Post" - fewer people get banned, but ilx feels more self-regulated, chill-er than it was under SB. When people reach the "no, seriously, stfu" stage the mods have issued temp-bans and they've worked out fine imo. There are a bunch of other factors that could possibly be in play but it seems to me like removing the threat of getting kicked out by one's fellow posters has resulted in a more civil board to some extent - how great an extent is hard for me to say, I don't post as much as I used to & there's probably plenty of clusterfuck-y stuff I don't give enough of a shit about now to click on the thread. But I feel like I ought to say, anti-SB crew, you seem to have been kind of otm to me, your kvetching was not in vain

seems to be working great?