thread devoted to www.debbiespenditnow.com

how is this even legal

long duk debbie

the chinese characters used are very lol - they're traditional chinese characters, which are only used in taiwan and hong kong

http://i.imgur.com/5TTmY.png

pretty sure that's the most offensive political ad I've seen in my lifetime, holy shit

What's up with her accent?

she doesn't have one

not even a hint of sublety ... fuck the dog whistles this election year.

unbelievable

debbiespendsdallas

lil' debbie spends it now

Debbie Deb - Lookout Wespend

http://i.imgur.com/pviGA.png

would like to point out that the translation of the chinese means 'debt of the great wall of china' as if the great wall were an entity capable of holding debt

I keep typing in the post box like I'm going to type up a long post about this but it invariably ends in frustration and deletions

http://i.imgur.com/EQPbP.jpg

jesus christ

u r the tom brady of human dignity, america

afaict this is the group that designed the website

http://www.prospergroupcorp.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy72cdnKuhw

(I have to admit, it is a snazzy website)

lol u r the one who fails econ 101 Hoekstra ... u just looking for an excuse to make a ching-chong-chinaman joke.

was just going to ask who designed that website

Eisbaer i think that was a copy/paste from facebook, i am not sure Hoekstra is lurking on this thread??? xp

i.e., american companies sending work that used to be done in the United States to China instead has little to do with the Chinese buying US debt.

i miss the subtle racial politics of this ad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gerq4GpHpKw

"we take your jobs"

i can't believe this is a real thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxw4uZAezaI&feature=player_embedded

"debbie spend so much american money...your economy get very weak, ours get very good. we take your jobs!"

i mean, wtf?!? i can't believe there's an audience for this, that it doesn't trigger massive outrage from fucking everyone in the country. lol, i'm naive.

I've found myself frequently surprised at what's still acceptable to a lot of people over the last year or so

say what you will but we all know now that on ilx this is racist, funny

at least long duk dong bothered w/an accent!

I demand higher quality racism

Wow. WTF!

higher qual racism, few years old tho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OTSQozWP-rM

ha i remember that one

God lord I didn't watch the video for a while and this is an official campaign website of Pete Hoekstra?! With his face approving the message and everything? I assumed this was just some bullshit from some anti-China think tank.

I predict that the pundits are going to utterly destroy him.

Also, to echo Eisbaer's sentiments... yeah lumping every trade issue with China together as one big thing is very very bad politics. Our treasury bond deal with China is one of the nice parts of our relationship so to lump that in with things like human rights concerns and such 1) demonizes China and 2) further confuses economic reality in the minds of the public.

The blatant xenophobia of American conservatism is just truly disgusting. I mean, I really am shocked this is an official campaign site and not done by some two-steps removed PAC.

XXPS LOL Buzza I was just thinking about that bizarre small-town multiculturalism mind-fuck of a politcal campaign ad.

according to politico, this ad "hit a nerve"

Yeah I don't think that's the take the WaPo and msnbc folks are going to have on this one.

The follow-up ad. will have some rich territory to mind. So far, they haven't even begun to address the whole peepee-in-coke angle.

er, mine, that is.

holy shit this is amazing

*sound of a large gong*

q: why is she riding a bicycle through apocalyptic farmland if their economy get so good

They are growing nuclear bombs.

the apocalyptic farmland of california

Greatest democracy in the world ;_;

oh my god

Pete Hoekstra, ladies and gentlemen. West Michigan's own Dutch Calvinist class act.

i guess the silver lining here is that the chinese apparently no longer have the time nor the inclination to humorously urinate in our soda

Hoekstra has always been a horrible scumbag so I wasn't surprised by this.

He's one of the ones that I really do hope gets hit by a bus.

Another rich, repellant Calvinist will just step into his place. You'd have to run over all of them. Which I'm not saying is a bad idea, just harder to pull off.

another post by fallows on the ad

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/more-on-the-we-take-your-jobs-hoekstra-commercial/252661/

as somebody points out, michigan is where vincent chin was killed for looking 'japanese'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Vincent_Chin

That was 30 years ago, though. I don't think many people today would sympathize with this ad.

expect his next add to be a dramatic re-enactment of this

In 2003, Stabenow married Tom Athans, now co-founder of Democracy Radio and former executive vice president of Air America. By this marriage, she has a stepdaughter, Gina. Stabenow and Athans divorced on May 28, 2010, approximately two years after Athans was detained in Troy, Michigan, as part of a prostitution sting.

Ugh.

But Hoekstra said the ad, filmed in California and featuring an actress whose parents are Chinese, was only insensitive to Debbie Stabenow.

"The Chinese benefit from the recklessness of U.S. spending. It doesn't criticize the Chinese," he said.

haha

admire hoekstra for doubling down

also

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/this-is-so-classy-yellow-girl/252685/

hint: the people investing in the US economy are not riding bicycles in rice paddies

every time I think this can't get worse, it does

Pete 'Spend-It-Not' Hoekstra / Taco Mayor 2016

Davis was also the creator of two other memorable political ads, Christine O'Donnell's "I'm Not a Witch" and Carly Fiorina's "Demon Sheep" ads

I wonder why people are still paying this man to make horrible ads that (hopefully) will help torpedo their careers.

Also, I had no idea Witch and Sheep were made by the same guy. Holy crap.

How does this guy get work? This is not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely baffled as he seems to bring nothing but bad publicity for his clients.

I think you are underestimating the strength of the bubble his clients live in. I mean, how do you look at a script where you have to utter the sentence "I'm not a witch," and not say "you know what, I'm calling an audible here: gtfo"?

that Hoekstra is defending this ad in the face of criticism makes me want to ragebarf

there's not much worse in the political world than the west michigan conservative dutch

oops laurel already mentioned that, hi 5 laurel

i didn't realize there was a thread for this so i posted about it in the us politics thread, but i do have to give props to the website designers for some pretty nifty animating shit going on in the background, behind the text!

I think you are underestimating the strength of the bubble his clients live in.

Yeah, it would be amazing fun to do PR work for jokers that will enthusiastically embrace wacky crap like this (exempting racist shit). Like, if Glenn Beck ran for office and you could make some batshit commercials for him. The chalkboard is going to follow you around mainstreet America like in a Disney buddy movie. It is animated by the ghosts of the founding fathers.

But I am really surprised that someone who was the CEO of a...oh wait completely mismanaged floundering company. Nah, sheep video makes sense.

In the html code on Hoekstra’s site the woman in the ad is identified as “yellowgirl.”

lol dan otm. Seriously.

I kinda do enjoy the Shakespearean construction of "spend it not"

How does this guy get work? This is not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely baffled as he seems to bring nothing but bad publicity for his clients.

According Dayo's Atlantic link, his uncle is Jim Inhofe- that has to help.

By 3-1 Margin, Michigan Voters Hated That 'Gloating Chinese Lady' Ad

it's weird, affluent older asian americans tend to be very republican in their political views

too bad they make up less than 5% of the american population

I mean, asians in general

actress involved in it apologizes. Her whole Facebook bio right now is this apology.

I demand higher quality racism

― lag∞n, Monday, February 6, 2012 4:47 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol @ this

was hoping to find more support for this in the gutter, but all i found was this:

http://biggovernment.com/jbabbin/2010/07/18/obama-should-apologize-to-hoekstra/

mildly lol

political celebrities President Obama and Republican Cong. Pete Hoekstra

the Obama remarks at the ceremony really are pretty lol imo

"We can refuse to be shocked when Obama proves redundantly that he is a graceless boor."

redundantly?

pwner in chief

"smashmouth politics"?

is obama going to start wearing porkpie hats and bowling shirts to every press conference now?

biggest guilty lol that the actress's name is Lisa Chan

idgi, is it just lol bcz asian girl has an asian name?

well, more that a lot of young asian women in the media are often named Lisa and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Chan

it is a completely reasonable name, but at the same time it's kind of the sort of name you would come up with if you were creating her from scratch

a lot of young asian women in the media are often named Lisa

??

well, there's Lisa Ling and... um...

'chan' is the cantonese romanization of the surname 陳 or 陈, which is the 5th most common chinese surname in the world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_Chinese_surnames

A surprising number of Asian women in media are apparently Superman villains. Lisa Ling, Lucy Liu . . .

Eh, I think it reminded me of reading an article about Olivia Munn not going by Lisa anymore, despite it being her first name

I was just kind of thinking that "Lisa Chan" is kind of the "John Smith" of asian-american names, but I think it was a bizarre mix of things I'm connecting (IS IT RACISM) and not reality

grace lee is the 'john smith' of asian-american names

http://graceleeproject.com/

Well, then. I sit corrected.

http://i.imgur.com/ytZGE.jpg

^^ rolling "is this racist" thread to thread!

NEWPORT??

Asian People OTM

thinking it's from the onion, unless I'm really mispronouncing Sinutab

and lol, dacron

oh wait nvm

and the juxtaposition of Ashleigh and Madison. Oh Onion, you're the gift that keeps giving

to me those columns are like "right on, v insightful," "racist," "uh idk if this is even right"

could be apocryphal like the youtube origin story but ashley madison is supposed to be drawn from most popular girl baby names.

that onion thing seems p racist in itself, in that it's basically "lol black names are stupid" framed by "lol white people wanna be fancy" and "lol asians wanna be white"

nobody names a male baby Dakota wtf

not that that's the most objectionable one there or anything

that onion thing seems p racist in itself, in that it's basically "lol black names are stupid" framed by "lol white people wanna be fancy" and "lol asians wanna be white"

thank you for that breakdown, it was really difficult to discern

lol DJP otm

feel like im still not getting it

nobody names a male baby Dakota wtf

― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:41 PM (34 minutes ago)

a lot of names on here are surprising, but no Dakota:
http://www.ssa.gov/oact/babynames/top5names.html

e.g.:
"2000 Emily Hannah Madison Ashley Sarah"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAXHuQgozDg

There was a male Dakota in my class in college

He was black

when it was hot outside did he stay cool by "fanning"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdqAauFUlt8

@tsadjatko Thanks for watching the video. I believe this is something turtlers should know about male turtles so that they don't think something is wrong with their turtle. Thanks for putting video on your site. There has been 79 viewings more since yesterday.
bevyh1 3 days ago

don't understand the recent popularity of the name Madison tbh

Always makes me think of

http://kccollegegameday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/bucky_badger_no1_football01.jpg

Moonlighting fans ennit

well well well, lookee who's coming to town to help out

http://annarbor.com/news/herman-cain-to-campaign-with-pete-hoekstra-at-big-sky-diner-in-ypsilanti/

http://www.annarbor.com/assets_c/2011/11/111011_NEWS_Herman_Cain_MRM_01-thumb-350x232-93979-thumb-300x198-93980.jpg

don't understand the recent popularity of the name Madison tbh

Blame a generation of moms and dads who grew up watching too much HBO:

According to the Social Security Administration's statistics, from a practically non-existent girl's name before 1985, Madison rose to being the second most popular name, after Emily, given to female babies in 2001.[2] This phenomenal rise in popularity has been attributed to the 1984 movie Splash, where Daryl Hannah plays a mermaid who adopts the name "Madison" in her human form after seeing a street sign for Madison Avenue.[3] When she makes this selection, Tom Hanks's character initially protests: "But Madison isn't a name!"

I'm not saying the Onion's not trying, but the non-Madison / Dakota names on the left are just A/B/C.

Do we have confirmation on that Onion attribution? Seems too racist for them.

it's from the onion

When?

from the onions new spinoff, racist onion

tbh I think sometimes they go full circle and parody racist perceptions by making racist observations

it's a troublesome look, but hey, the humor gun misfires sometimes

Found it, it was 1999, which is long enough ago to be somewhat comforting.

from the onions new spinoff, racist onion

lol

When I first stumbled across that graphic, it was right around the time Nivea was having hits.

I swear that once I heard a woman calling for her child named Wachovia.

It's a good name for that, you'd really get some length out of the 'a' and 'o'.

but it's pronounced wacho-veeea

a friend thought that name was meant to suggest "watch over ya!"

Cue the David Alan Grier "Naming children after contraceptive drugs" bit

nobody names a male baby Dakota wtf

lol tell that to my nephew

http://blog.angryasianman.com/2012/02/hoekstra-campaign-removes-all-traces-of.html

RIP debbiespenditnow.com

RIP beautifully designed hate site

You can't say the ad was not effective.

was all ready to gis "burn world down" until I clicked

I am becoming more and more convinced that that ad company is intentionally sabotaging its clients

http://blog.angryasianman.com/2012/11/campaign-flier-features-candidates-face.html

it's kinda more nationalist than racist cuz she wite

ime, to the people who this dog whistle attracts it doesn't matter if youre chinese or chinese-american

yeah I mean on no level can chinese-americans benefit from stereotyping but the core of this is an economic nationalism message that both parties use these days. but I think you can be something of a economic nationalist without being totally racist. like, keep the message and 'facts' and take out the dumb theme - is that still race baiting? idk.

i think an ad decrying jobs lost to england or even socialist france would have a somewhat different feel

Debbie Stabenow won btw

but I think you can be something of a economic nationalist without being totally racist. like, keep the message and 'facts' and take out the dumb theme - is that still race baiting? idk.

― iatee, Sunday, November 11, 2012 6:55 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I dont think this is possible fwiw when an easily identifiable racial minority is involved

I guess what I'm trying to say is that although this is clearly racist in that it works off lol south park stereotypes, it's still mostly pushing the bigger narrative 'they're taking our jobs'. a narrative that does not benefit asian-americans either. but is not entirely untrue.

not really concerned about the 'trueness' of this tbh

well what I'm more saying is that yeah, 1000 people in cleveland got this or w/e, but the big picture issue is mitt romney (and barack obama) talking about taking our jerbs back from china in front of 80 million people

what I'm saying is that there's p much no way to score political points on this topic w/o also tarring asian-americans who live in this country

and the rhetoric shouldn't be about demonizing china, it should be about criticizing the companies who decide to offshore in the first place.

well it's complicated. like I don't think #1 is untrue but that also doesn't mean that chinese currency manipulation hasn't been a major factor in jobs going offshore

and if we start attacking companies who decide to offshore, we're still participating in economic nationalism and promoting a sort of 'made in america' culture.

okay but you wouldn't have splashover onto asian-americans, which is all I really care about tbqh

I mean I get the appeal of a rarefied "technically this is true" thinking but on the ground this type of attack politics has real actual effects on actual people, no matter how carefully crafted the political message is

well china's exchange rates have actual effects on actual people too! I mean w/ this particular ad it's not even 'technically this is true' but my bigger point is that the umbrella narrative that this is happening under (china takes our jobs) generally isn't considered objectionable, even by the left

I think we're talking past each other

/ and I think that is a much bigger problem than goofy fake chinese font xp

uh this isnt really about a 'goofy fake chinese font'

the takeaway box trope is awful tho i guess that & vague economic resentment the extent of a lot of ppls engagement with 'china'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinky

what's it about? I basically think some dumb flyer's asian stereotypes are 'less problematic' than the big picture narratives that the entire country accepts w/r/t trade policy but #2 is harder to question / talk about

xp

this sort of imagery is inherently toxic

taking it to fb because I don't really feel like getting into this on here

us-china relations are going to get ugly enough in the next decade without this sort of crap

takeaway box is a sort of racism-by-synecdoche

After several campaigns by the Scottish Executive, more people in Scotland now acknowledge that this name is indirectly racist.

are you fucking kidding me?

what's it about? I basically think some dumb flyer's asian stereotypes are 'less problematic' than the big picture narratives that the entire country accepts w/r/t trade policy but #2 is harder to question / talk about

what? a white guy thinks the racism angle isn't really a big deal? eat it edward r murrow I've got the scoop of the year

what? aero purposely misreads an iatee post so he can get a zing in?

the point wasn't that 'the racism angle isn't really a big deal' the point was that the racism angle that 1000 people get isn't as important as the racism angle that 300 million people get

which is 'an american deserves a job more than a chinese person does'

eh, more that products purchased in america should be economically viable to produce in america, thus encouraging local employment

that same logic works in china! where people are poorer!

what, like no one owns foxconn? not /everyone/ is poorer

a friend I was talking to last night had been in china recently and people were excited to see her using a tablet running android! they'd never seen android, since apparently devices aren't sold there or are somehow legally restricted. she wanted to use google docs, though, but it was banned by the country's firewall. a lot of android devices are manufactured in china!

she also talked to some people who had seen a tv show about american dollar stores, and they were surprised by the variety of items available for only a dollar. how much do you want to bet a fair number of things were actually made in china?

the economics, manufacturing, and product availability of things is weird, I guess.

just saying. samsung is a big player in chinese smartphone market (19% market share) （galaxy android phones on taobao） and htc. i bought a samsung galaxy in dalian in april. google docs usually works for me in china but gets locked up about as often as blogger does (goes in erratic cycles). chinese consumers like apple. china has their own version of dollar stores selling the same cheap shit for less than a dollar and you can find the same shit in any corner store or downmarket department store.

and other android devices widely available in china： http://s8.taobao.com/search?q=android&pid=mm_10011550_2325296_9002527&unid=&mode=63&from_bt=1&initiative_id=staobaoz_20121111

yeah, it seemed really off to me! I'll have to ask where she was. The intermittent lockdown was what she meant, though.