Rolling Stand-Up Comedy 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVzOcuyN0JA&feature=youtu.be

Waiting for hanibal buress to come out. We have been sitting here for an hour. This better be good.

Hannibal was hysterical. Even funnier than when I saw him last year.

Bridgetown Comedy Fest just announced their lineup, and it's a good'un

wtf is this? Tribute acts for stand up comedians?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-OTO0tJevLKQ/T0n3XGp3GLI/AAAAAAAADtg/bBnR65xUdLo/s545/AmZuPzPCAAArEPU.jpg-large.jpg

http://hireacomedian.co.uk/comedy_tribute_acts.htm

Dear god.

bo burnham was just on conan and not only is he still terrible but he's now basically a prop comic

just starting this but it looks like a good read: http://nymag.com/news/features/patrice-oneal-2012-5/

thank god this looks like an actual story and not AN ORAL HISTORY OF THE LIFE OF PATRICE O NEAL

incredible article, just seriously so great

just saw hannibal burress for the first time on conan, he's v likeable and clever but somehow that doesn't really cohere into him being a funny or engaging standup i think?

i like him a lot -- he's sorta mitch hedberg-y which normally scares me but there's something about him that i'm really drawn too

i guess i don't think that his cleverness is smarmy? that's normally what bothers me with those kinds of comedians (not to blame hedberg for what followed in his wake)... that thing where you feel like you're constantly getting nudged in the arm after every punchline. i guess he strikes me as more intelligent? not sure any of that makes sense, i havent' seen his stuff in a bit, but i'm gonna listen to his new album hopefully sometime this week

yeah not smarmy at all, i mean clever in a genuine way like yeah, your mind works in interesting ways, that's a great way of phrasing that idea. like i'm sure he wrote some jokes that cracked me up on 30 Rock. but the delivery is not really there.

yeah, i feel you

just saw hannibal burress for the first time on conan, he's v likeable and clever but somehow that doesn't really cohere into him being a funny or engaging standup i think?

― kitty shayme (some dude), Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:00 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Are you kidding me? He's hilarious!

but the delivery is not really there

I don't get that at all. His delivery is what really seals the deal for me. I saw him last year and again a couple months ago and he's amazing. The first time we wound up talking to him after the show for a while. He's super nice and just as funny off stage.

His delivery is probably my favorite part. He has a really strange sort of speech pattern that I don't think I could even explain if I tried but it makes his stuff 10x funnier for me.

yeah go fig

There's definitely something Hedberg-y about his delivery but I love Hedberg so this isn't a problem for me.

i didn't get the Hedberg thing, MH always seemed very arch and distant in his presentation and HB seems very personable and comfortable in his own skin by comparison

Well, I mean it quite literally in the way that they speak. They both share a sort of halting speech and dropping of sentences where you'd expect them to continue.

ok that makes more sense...there's definitely some of that "i don't need to play that thought out 100%, you get the idea," which tbh is probably off-putting more often than not to me

my boyfriend is gonna be out of town all weekend and finesse mitchell is doing 3 sets at the laugh factory literally half a block from my house... should i go?

man if you live that close to the laugh factory you should probably schedule your visits around when great comedians are there rather than whoever's there when your social calender is empty tbh

actually the schedule is kinda shitty and it's not like LA where chappelle might randomly wander on stage or w/e

you should totally go!

chelsea peretti is at the lincoln lodge, which is like a block from my house, in a couple of weeks, was thinking of doing that

actually finesse mitchell is not until next week

this weekend = Featuring David Koechner, Matt Dwyer, Joe Kilgallon & Andy Paley!

*shrugs*

champ is the worst character in anchorman and one of my least favorite characters in any movie that i outright love

yeah that's kinda meh

Hannibal is one of the best guys doing it.

i don't live too far from Magooby's Joke House which, despite the horrific name, occasionally gets some pretty good comics, haven't checked it out yet though

ok that makes more sense...there's definitely some of that "i don't need to play that thought out 100%, you get the idea," which tbh is probably off-putting more often than not to me

― some dude, Friday, May 18, 2012 11:12 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

One of the best parts on the new Hannibal CD is him going, "He said something, then I said something, then he said something... <i>you know how conversations go</i>." Like, so obv he's a 30 Rock writer, because that's a show obsessed in the silliness of how we talk and interact with each other

Bodymore, Murderland, home of Magooby's Joke House

Smooth.

http://breakfastcookie.tumblr.com/post/26879625651/so-a-girl-walks-into-a-comedy-club

I read that this morning and couldn't figure out why this thing was any different than any of the million bazillion rape jokes people have told in comedy clubs since the beginning of time

I think it's because he suggested that an audience member actually deserved to get raped?

Just a guess.

I'm not the PC police or anything and I have said some truly offensive shit in my day, but standing on stage and telling someone she deserves to be raped is next-level fucked up and this guy deserves every bit of shit he's getting/going to get for this.

You really don't see the difference between a "typical" rape joke and specifically calling out for a real person in the audience to get gang raped? Alright then.

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Maybe i didn't read it close enough? Hicks used to do shit like than and was called a hero!

I sincerely don't remember Hicks doing that, but I've only seen a couple of his specials.

Well, Daniel Tosh certainly sucks

I think we can all agree on that.

not the same thing but here's the Hicks vs female heckler clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PdKpR9qNtg

i can't watch it right now at work, but i am very interested in knowing whether bill hicks suggested that it would be funny if a woman in the audience was raped. can someone recap for me?

Tosh is definitely "becoming his character", Andrew Dice Clay-style

I've never been a fan of Hicks either, but even that's a few degrees cooler than what Daniel Tosh did the other night.

Hicks doesn't specifically do a rape bit in that clip but he's okay with as many misogynist slurs as he can think up on the spot. then he tries to laugh it off. i dunno, i've seen his "look at all my little miracles" bit, i never really had him pegged as a "hero"

Oh yeah, Bill Hicks definitely has achieved some kind of hero status among comedians and fans of comedy. For whatever reason. I still think he's not much more than a guy who rants.

xxpost to Mordy: No but he screamed at her about being a cunt for a good minute. But he kinda comes out of the fugue and makes fun of himself so it's a lot removed from Tosh.

I hate Tosh, this just makes me happy to hate him more...and he's a piece of shit.

That being said, the notion that what she had to say was somehow going to correct the course of the performer on stage just...I dunno. I don't like it when people feel the need to interact with the performer, it makes me nervous because some comedians when they're cornered and they don't do crowd work...man alive some of them just unload and it's awful. Not to excuse Tosh, or to say she deserved it in any way. I just think, in the hands of a good crowdwork comedian that doesn't happen but those guys are rare. I'm glad she left but she should have left sooner.

yeah Michael Richards is terrible at crowd work too i hear

lol

idk, i feel kind of psyched that she felt the need to say something than just allowing herself to be bullied out of a night on the town.
i would buy that gal a drink. xp

^^ RATHER than

I don't know, I'm actually sort of weirdly impressed by her speaking up, even if it was kind of a bad idea and unlikely to turn her way. There's something admirable about standing up for yourself even when the odds are SO stacked against you. Takes some kinda courage in a roomful of people like that.

agreed

Yeah, according the story, Daniel Tosh came out and said "Rape jokes are never not funny" which is basically BEGGING for interaction from his audience. She either took the bait or stood up for common sense, depending on how you look at it. Faulting her in any way for rubbing his shit in his face is weak.

I'm not really faulting her for it. At least that's not what I mean. I guess it's just hindsight is 20/20. There's no way that she doesn't immediately become the story for saying that. It's a good thing to say. But now what? now YOU'RE the show. and no-one is ever ready for that unless they're drunk out of their minds or with a bachelorette party.

and he's a shitty ass comedian and he punished her for 'ruining' his shitty 'bit'. which is cowardly and cheap.

I hope he takes a lot of heat for this. Because beyond anything it's lazy and weak.

i'm curious if any other patrons of the club left with the two girls. i somehow doubt it.

i always feel like you can say whatever you want in a comedy club. and people can yell at you if they don't like it!

yeah that seems doubtful.

xpost

also remember this guy has a tv show that is hugely popular among adolescent males--i don't think he has a responsibility to be a role model, but i think if i were a parent i would be absolutely outraged and probably write angry letters to whatever channel he is on.

fwiw, i have never been to a comedy club and i probably never will be. just not my bag. two drink minimum? pfft.

i mean i just think they should be censorship-free zones. comedy stages. you can hate it or yell at the guy or leave but he should be able to be as dumb as he wants to be on that stage. if he had said that on the street to someone i would have an entirely different opinion.

Oh, he can say whateverthefuck he wants. He's just gotta be ready to deal with the fallout.

no one is gonna censor it (obviously the show went on!) but i think you can still judge ppl by what stupid shit they say in a comedy club, drunk in a bar, in private at home, wherever.

I hope he takes a lot of heat for this. Because beyond anything it's lazy and weak.

I really doubt it. His entire shtick is that he goes above and beyond what other "blue" comics are willing to say and his audience understands that. If you listen to him for any period of time it becomes pretty clear that he believes, I dunno, maybe 5% of what he says on stage.

Rape is a common topic, unfortunately. At least among the younger class of bromedians.

I think there's a double standard in comedy rooms, because really the ideal is the comedian can say anything they want, they're 'working out material'. but among comedians, they don't want you to be part of the show, unless they're a crowdwork comedian. but they want you to laugh or not laugh and that's all. because you paid to get in. at least that's the way it seems.

Oh Tosh's whole thing is he says 'what no one else will say' and his racism bits aren't really racism he's just making fun of racism or what the fuck ever but dude's comedy is meanspirited at its core and I hate it.

If you listen to him for any period of time it becomes pretty clear that he believes, I dunno, maybe 5% of what he says on stage.

This is BESIDE THE POINT. What he created that night was a hostile environment in a small dark room.

his "edginess" can be pretty dumb. but what fallout would there be? people will boycott is shows/dvds? his fans will just love him more for being the jerk. his whole act is about being a jerk!

i remember seeing seinfeld episodes, louis episodes about heckling etc and i understand getting pissed that the crowd is interfering with your routine, but that doesn't mean you can say anything you want w/o the outside world getting to judge you for it. if someone heckled, i dunno, a juggler, and the juggler told that person they should get sodomized... the juggler is still a douche in that scenario.

oh cool a comedian who says stuff he doesn't actually believe, sounds like a really great comedian

no one is gonna censor it (obviously the show went on!) but i think you can still judge ppl by what stupid shit they say in a comedy club, drunk in a bar, in private at home, wherever.

I'm sure that you and many other people on this board do! In practice though, I'm not sure what kind of useful judgements you're going to get out of a guy who says something stupid while drunk outside of "I'm glad that I'm better than him"

yeah I guess you're right (whoever said it upthread), this won't really change anything for him and his fans. the people he expects to get mad will get mad but he won't lose any fans over it.

oh cool a comedian who says stuff he doesn't actually believe, sounds like a really great comedian

Do you think that George Carlin really prayed to Joe Pesci y/n?

I bet Steven Wright actually had a real 1:1 scale map of the US that he spent the summer folding.

oh cool a comedian who says stuff he doesn't actually believe, sounds like a really great comedian

c'mon you're better than this n/a

Oh Tosh's whole thing is he says 'what no one else will say' and his racism bits aren't really racism he's just making fun of racism or what the fuck ever but dude's comedy is meanspirited at its core and I hate it.

Well this is the excuse that Seth MacFarlane and others use and it's stupid there too because your audience is primarily very impressionable teenagers - just saying I dunno why you need to call out "rape is not funny" when it should be clear that's *exactly* the reaction he's trying to get.

the people he said that to had several options. they could have screamed at him and ruined his entire show. they could have stormed the stage and beat him up. they could have thrown things at him. they could have chanted. i dunno. fuck his shit up if you don't like it. where are the riot grrls? they should have started a riot. take back the night from shitty comedians! or something.

I kind of think of Tosh the same way I do Glenn Beck. Its doubtful that either of them believe 100% of the stupid shit they say, but they're more than happy cashing huge checks selling said shit to impressionable idiots.

scott basically otm, I think Tosh pretty much got what he wanted out of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21sCpbPqd4s

there's a difference between using saying something you don't believe to make a point, and just saying stuff you don't believe to get a shock reaction

can we just make him go away

like saying "wouldn't it be funny if five guys raped her right now" has no point and is expressing literally nothing other than "i'm saying something provocative"

You just passed Tosh 101

If u really want to be offended watch that terrible comedy central show of his.

I know some people who went to high school with him who sort of come to his defense every time I mention that I think he's a piece of shit, but I think part of that behavior is just "omg I can say I knew someone who's famous and that's cool".

The "Web Redemption" bits on his show are really good and IMO the real reason to watch it (otherwise it's just "random youtube clips and offensive commentary", I do give them kudos for those

I'm curious to know if the bit was a standard part of his material, ie, where it was going if there'd been no heckle. (Because it is possible to draw humor out of anything, just harder if you try rape or genocide.)

Heartbreaking last paragraph:

I should probably add that having to basically flee while Tosh was enthusing about how hilarious it would be if I was gang-raped in that small, claustrophic room was pretty viscerally terrifying and threatening all the same, even if the actual scenario was unlikely to take place. The suggestion of it is violent enough and was meant to put me in my place.

I really hope this gets remembered, as she puts it here, as an act of violence.

So anyway

http://jezebel.com/5924937/daniel-tosh-is-sorry-he-told-a-female-audience-member-that-she-should-get-hilariously-raped

I was in a comedy club a few years ago, during an open mic night, and this one comic would single out women in the audience and give his sexual performance set list, should he and the girl find themselves sharing a bed some time. Girls were horrified but laughed through it.

good times.

I think, for the younger generation, making meta-world-post-irony (<---for you NBA fans) jokes about rape and race is a way to push the buttons of gen xers, who otherwise aren't as uptight as baby boomers about good taste and The Boundaries of Comedy. Maybe that explains the market demand for this sort of stuff.

meta-world-post-irony

you can tell the quality of a comedian by how they handle hecklers imho. Pryor, Dangerfield, Martin = A+. Richards, Tosh, Dane Cook = F-.

sometimes the best part of Dangerfield's show would be him zinging hecklers

Maron has done good crowdwork in the shows I've seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAD-ky3TYQk

Did you guys see this movie.

Dangerfield was awesome with hecklers. Love.

oh man don't fuck with Joanie

heckler: "How big is Your dick?"
Rodney: "Don't you remember?"

oh shit Joan shutting down the heckler on her documentary was wild

Compare what Joan did to what Daniel Tosh did. If Joan went Tosh's route, instead of schooling that guy, she would've said "You know what would be funny? If I came down there with a screwdriver and punctured your eardrum so you'd be deaf too, fuckwit."

Heartbreaking last paragraph:

I should probably add that having to basically flee while Tosh was enthusing about how hilarious it would be if I was gang-raped in that small, claustrophic room was pretty viscerally terrifying and threatening all the same, even if the actual scenario was unlikely to take place. The suggestion of it is violent enough and was meant to put me in my place.

I really hope this gets remembered, as she puts it here, as an act of violence.

― jim, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:36 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm having a really hard time with this. I think it might even be kind of offensive to compare this scenario to an act of violence.

people saying shit can really fuck you up. it's like falling over, whenever i fall over i forget how disorienting and how much of a shake-up it is, but it happens and it's this physical kick that lurches you out of your comfort. words sound slight but they get under your skin, are hard to get past, change your idea of how you think of other people on the street. i don't think anyone is making a case that spoken insults are equivalent to acts of violence, but that they're in the same category, which is attacks.

I think it might even be kind of offensive to compare this scenario to an act of violence.

I should have elaborated. I was trying to suggest, as others put it differently above, that sicking the audience on her in this manner - in a dimly lit, claustrophobic room full of hostile strangers - is tantamount to a threat. Threats are a kind of act of violence. (A bit of verbal confusion here since one can also act out a threat.) When she writes that "the suggestion of it is violent enough" I think she's saying the same thing. That make sense? (I'm really curious, as I'm trying to determine how angry to be about this. Is his apology enough?)

You should be at least 10 angry if not 14 or even 17.

anyone who's below a 12 is a disgusting savage, imo

Compare what Joan did to what Daniel Tosh did. If Joan went Tosh's route, instead of schooling that guy, she would've said "You know what would be funny? If I came down there with a screwdriver and punctured your eardrum so you'd be deaf too, fuckwit."

He's a terrible, lazy comedian. "LOL I hope you get raped" is something one of the dumber reddit contributors would come up with.

I'm having a really hard time with this. I think it might even be kind of offensive to compare this scenario to an act of violence.

You also weren't in a small, dark, enclosed theater. Also, if your display name is anything to go by, not a woman. So I don't really thing its fair to judge her for feeling legitimately threatened.

It didn't say it was a "legitimate act of threatening", though

Y'all know that physical violence is not the only kind, right?

You should be at least 10 angry if not 14 or even 17.

― Mordy, Wednesday, July 11, 2012 8:54 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

anyone who's below a 12 is a disgusting savage, imo

― frogbs, Wednesday, July 11, 2012 9:31 AM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh hey look at what two of three guys who complained to the point of threadlocking about being told to check their privilege have to say about a woman's feelings when told a bunch of strangers should gang rape her. What a shock.

Phil - I know I once wrote that I was never going to respond to your posts, but I'm going to break that rule to tell u to gfy.

My comment had nothing to do with the woman, or Tosh, but with jim wondering out loud that he's "trying to determine how angry to be about this." I thought it was ridiculous that someone would try to logic themselves into a certain quantity of anger. If you're angry about it, be angry. You don't need to quantify it.

also, "who complained to the point of threadlocking about being told to check their privilege" has nothing to do with anything i wrote on that thread. but since you've clearly got POS reading comprehension skills (pretty much the reason I stopped responding to your posts in the first place on completely unrelated threads), I don't know why I should bother

Have a nice day!

Mods, can we please put the http://c0848462.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/3d93bd2c4f3f1b33c02182fd0f20476f.png-filter on the word "privilege" as a means of increasing the overall level of intelligence around here

Rivers was predictably a shit in that movie. Your Helen Keller "joke" wasn't FUNNY, hag, like everything that's come out of your surgically tightened maw in the last 25 years.

Mods, can we please put the -filter on the word "privilege" as a means of increasing the overall level of intelligence around here

― frogbs, Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:27 PM (44 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't know what that little x is supposed to represent frogs, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you're on the money.

Ungenerous of you to pick on that, Mordy. It was not exactly the heart of my post.

not a good limb.

this thread turned cool pretty quickly

i guess a word filter is in place already, mods please fix this image

http://www.hipsterkitty.com/wp-content/uploads/yapb_cache/hipster_hat_cat.3v5x2m76ahk4cw8co4k040ss4.f469i2i529kw48480kggcc000.th.jpeg

I was making a snarky little joke, it wasn't supposed to be a big thing or even mentioned ever again.

romo!

romo cutler tebow http://c0848462.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/3d93bd2c4f3f1b33c02182fd0f20476f.png

alright now that's settled

do you not think privilege exists frogbs or do you just wanna make sure we don't have to listen to unimportant people whining?

rmde @ Mordy doing a "I was just making a rape joke about rape jokes to help codemn Daniel Tosh for making a rape joke about rape jokes"

whiney, plz explain how what i wrote was a rape joke?

i'll c/p it here so you don't have to scroll up: "You should be at least 10 angry if not 14 or even 17."

aren't you saying that he should be "raped-by-10 guys angry if not 14 or 17"

or did i wildly misread that

I just don't believe it's a concept that ILX can discuss intelligently, Noodle

you wildly misread it whiney.

what does that sentence mean then

very "interesting" where your mind went on that one.

I read it as a level of angry on a 1-10 scale, but maybe I'm the wrong one.

he asked how angry he should be. i was suggesting some quantities of angry that might work for him.

sorry Mordy!

I just don't believe it's a concept that ILX can discuss intelligently, Noodle

since we have people consistently saying "I don't see why saying X is a big deal" even tho they are not part of the minority that "X" is designed to offend/hurt/intimidate/belittle then you may be right

there's an awesome looking thread about privilege here: privilege of the patriarchy

heaven forfend i try to delineate what ppl talk about where but if u guys are really interested in discussing privilege, rolling stand-up comedy 2012 thread might be a little off-topic?

http://gawker.com/5925051/louis-ck-sends-message-of-support-to-daniel-tosh-amid-rape-joke-controversy

Watch as Gawker fabricates earnest support from Louis C.K. to Tosh over this based on a tongue in cheek tweet yesterday.

loool holy shit whiney

since we have people consistently saying "I don't see why saying X is a big deal" even tho they are not part of the minority that "X" is designed to offend/hurt/intimidate/belittle then you may be right

well sometimes the "X" really isn't designed to hurt anybody and almost all these posters who are dialing up the outrage meter are not part of that minority anyway, so it just devolves into self-congratulatory "you are so stupid and a horrible person" for 1000 posts

Considering that I saw Louis C.K. do a minutes-long bit about someone's mother being raped by every single person in the city of Boston a couple of years ago, I'm not at all surprised he stood up for Tosh (without explicitly defending his behavior).

JFC I think Gawker commenters are now reaching sub-YouTube levels of odiousness, like the guy calling the original girl an "uppity broad".

louis ck also stood up for tracy morgan last year over morgans gay-bashing act

JFC I think Gawker commenters are now reaching sub-YouTube levels of odiousness, like the guy calling the original girl an "uppity broad".

whoa, i didn't know she was black

^^^ still the master

omfg

(insert standard frogbs' "what'd i say? what? come on" defense here)

dude he knew what he was doing

i know, but him m.o. has been to act all surprised when he gets called on shit like that

"his"

frogbs still being here is solid proof that the flag post system is not an effective replacement for suggest bans

this thread is gonna get locked isn't it? THANKS A LOT NED!

flag it and find out!

I knew I was going to hate this thread eventually

heaven forfend i try to delineate what ppl talk about where but if u guys are really interested in discussing privilege, rolling stand-up comedy 2012 thread might be a little off-topic?

I think the privilege ship has pretty soundly arrived at the rolling stand-up comedy 2012 port. All welcome!

p sure you don't need to hate the whole thread, just one particular poster

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Mordy, if your comment was not meant to be a comment about whether or not people generally should be pissed, including the original victim of this whole thing, then I sincerely apologize for my comment to you.

p sure I hate the whole lotta you clusterfuck-loving sonabitches :D

like goddamn iron filings

Watch as Gawker fabricates earnest support from Louis C.K. to Tosh over this based on a tongue in cheek tweet yesterday.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 16:05 (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this is v skewed. check the tracy morgan thing, or his long defence of free speech wrt opie & anthony. there was some discussion on the louie thread a while ago of the weird permeable line that separates or doesn't separate him from others - like a guy who at surface level has called sarah palin a cunt, has made the rape jokes referenced, & yet who some people are inclined to think better of - & it's interesting to think about that wrt the heckler ep of Louie, but the daniel tosh thing is v straightforward.

Louie seems to at least learn from his mistakes though, and I'm not sure that tweet really counts as a "defense"

no, but it's a rebuttal to any degree of hysteria, & isn't in any sense, is the exact opposite of, 'tongue in cheek'

i have no idea whether louie actually likes or dislikes tosh. but it seems like comedians in general, especially guys like louie, just believe in no taboos in comedy, and also resent when things said in a club get taped/quoted out of context on the internet

paul f. tompkins and todd glass had a really good discussion of boundaries/taboos in comedy on the todd glass show if that sounds interesting to anyone other than me

That sounds super interesting to me, I'll need to track that one down.

It does. I'll listen to it later.

i think it was this episode (there are multiple PFT episodes) but i'm not 100% sure: http://www.nerdist.com/2012/03/the-todd-glass-show-36-bonus-paul-f-tompkins/

fuck sorry apparently it was near the end of this episode: http://www.nerdist.com/2012/02/the-todd-glass-show-30-paul-f-tompkins-and-daniel-kinno-part-1/

this thread is gonna get locked isn't it? THANKS A LOT NED!

*whistles idly*

I think we all need a little Todd Glass in our lives - his first CC stand-up special blew my mind (though his subsequent stuff is oddly normal)

lol i definitely would have picked you, frogbs, as the arbiter of the level of intelligence of a discussion. glad you self-nominated for that.

I guess people are turned off by the clusterfuck nature of this thread and not coming in here to click 'Flag Post' in large enough numbers yet.

i'm clicking it, but at random tbf

lol

aka "you're dumb, lol"

how do you really feel about me horseshoe? have you posted your thoughts anywhere?

feel like I should post the story about Mitt Romney getting heckled at the NAACP convention here

i think we are all ignoring the bigger story here: dane cook opens for tosh now?

i'm sure that wouldn't be the case if they did a big tour together, but in clubs the biggest name often doesn't go last

I would say that Tosh is a bigger draw than Cook right now

aka "you're dumb, lol"

No, because I wasn't responding to you.

somebody please explain how a comedian "not actually believing" their evil rape jokes makes them any less of a terrible person

whoa whoa whoa jon. i'm talking about horseshoe's statement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOlqbo0zZdI

whoa whoa whoa jon. i'm talking about horseshoe's statement

fair enough, this is where an "xpost" would've come in handy though since, in my defense, i used "lol" in the preceeding post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6SWN0WOq44&feature=related

that first scott video, "I'm just showing that racism exists" is like the entire thinking between the "humor" of Carlos Mencia, Tosh, Seth MacFarlane. Such a drag.

i don't think that's quite the same thing, he was making fun of people who ask "which one are you?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfWucj5UoMY

somebody please explain how a comedian "not actually believing" their evil rape jokes makes them any less of a terrible person

I think in general when comedians get heckled it activates a rush of panic and adrenaline and their instinct is to destroy the person immediately because if they start to relent or stall for time, it ruins the show in a way. The heckler scene in Louie is a great portrayal of this - many people in that thread said "the woman deserved it" and maybe she did, but Louie's mixture of increasingly cruel, badly formed jokes felt like it was losing the audience, and I think comedians fear this a lot. They think "what is the most vile and mean-spirited thing I can say to this person right now", and some comedians choose really poorly (Michael Richards and Tracy Morgan are good examples). I feel like if Tosh had, like, a second to think about his response, he would have known it was a bad idea to say what he did. The fact that he apologized (sort of) for this is at least something; he doesn't really apologize for anything otherwise. His bit was about how you can derive humor from really dark places, not just "lol rape".

hall-of-fame frogs performance itt

Retire his number.

It does really amaze me that, out of all forms of popular entertainment, standup comedy is the one where people seem to most misperceive it as a dialogue. (Perhaps matched only by music at club shows.) Can you imagine someone standing up in the middle of an orchestra performance and saying, "Hey, third violinist from the right! You're consistently flat on the fast passages and your vibrato sucks!"

anyway, the reality is that only a few comedians really handle hecklers well (the Bill Hicks thing is like a 10/10 on the "whoa" scale, but I wouldn't say he handled it well at all)

does really amaze me that, out of all forms of popular entertainment, standup comedy is the one where people seem to most misperceive it as a dialogue. (Perhaps matched only by music at club shows.) Can you imagine someone standing up in the middle of an orchestra performance and saying, "Hey, third violinist from the right! You're consistently flat on the fast passages and your vibrato sucks!"

― Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Wednesday, July 11, 2012 12:43 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark

well orchestras at their best don't often emulate the feeling of just a guy spontaneously sharing his thoughts with a few friends

i mean heckling sucks sure but i'm not going to pretend the impulse is completely alien and illogical in that context

would go to more classical gigs if phil's scenario played out more often

I can totally imagine Phil's scenario

Tweet a moment ago from Anthony Jeselnik (who's kind of Tosh-y, but gets more passes because he's less fratty, maybe?):

@anthonyjeselnik
An offended audience member repeating a comedian's act from memory is worse than, literally, anything.

There's no video of the Tosh thing, is there?

ugh Jeselnik

I feel like if Tosh had, like, a second to think about his response, he would have known it was a bad idea to say what he did.

this is generously assuming that heckling is a rare thing to happen to an experienced stand-up comic and that a totally predictable response threw him off his game. poor guy! to which i say: NOPE. NO FUCKING WAY. doubling down on how HILARIOUS rape is in response is completely integrated with the rest of his persona & act as a performer.

Classical Musicians are usually dressed up though - a comedian looks like you (unless it's Carrot Top (or you're Carrot Top)) and a lot of the time cultivates this sense of someone like you but funnier.

My wife works at Cleveland Institute of Music and there are student recitals all the time. I'm totally going to start heckling them. ("Nice 'presto,' I guess, if we're at a fucking funeral.")

*cups hands around mouth*

BOOOOOOORINGGGG

if you read about classical music performances from 19th and 18th century they were filled with yelling and screaming and people throwing things at the orchestra if they didn't like the performance. was not at all like it is today.

same with theatre crowds back then too.

what this means is that 200 years from now, performers will wear tuxedos and present solemn highbrow performances of "I Like To Move It"

And dramatic readings of Adam Sandler's "Gay Robot."

and recitals of 'excerpts from a life ' by frogbs

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/418O4tphJbL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

this is generously assuming that heckling is a rare thing to happen to an experienced stand-up comic and that a totally predictable response threw him off his game. poor guy! to which i say: NOPE. NO FUCKING WAY. doubling down on how HILARIOUS rape is in response is completely integrated with the rest of his persona & act as a performer.

so you think his reponse there was something he practiced? or that Bill Hicks (to "you suck!" which is way more generic) screaming the word "cunt" over and over was something he planned to do in advance?

what this means is that 200 years from now, performers will wear tuxedos and present solemn highbrow performances of "I Like To Move It"

Please don't make me wait 200 years for this.

well orchestras at their best don't often emulate the feeling of just a guy spontaneously sharing his thoughts with a few friends

99% of comedians should abandon this vibe and do characters onstage, btw. (Of course most of them wouldn't be good at that either.)

Can you imagine someone standing up in the middle of an orchestra performance and saying, "Hey, third violinist from the right! You're consistently flat on the fast passages and your vibrato sucks!"

as Dangerfield said: "When you go to the movies, do you talk to the screen?"

post-1980, yes they do!

99% of comedians should abandon this vibe and do characters onstage, btw. (Of course most of them wouldn't be good at that either.)

^^^truthbomb

T/S: a comedian playing an easily distinguishable character (ala Stephen Colbert) vs. a comedian whose offstage demeanour is completely indistinguishable from their performances but pulls out the "playing a character" defense when called on saying some offensive shit

the "just a guy thinkin baout stuff" is the most tired, boring standup comedy persona ever, I absolutely hate it. Occasionally you get people who understand that even the "just a guy thinkin baout stuff" persona is a construct/character in and of itself and use it really well, but there is no guarantee that the audience is going to get this.

a comedian whose offstage demeanour is completely indistinguishable from their performances but pulls out the "playing a character" defense when called on saying some offensive shit

who are you talking about here? name names. Seinfeld? Sarah Silverman? Chris Rock?

Tosh and Andrew Dice Clay come to mind

people who understand that even the "just a guy thinkin baout stuff" persona is a construct/character in and of itself and use it really well

I remember seeing a comedian start a joke with "So I was walking down the street the other day... as far as you know" and I don't even remember the rest of the joke, but I thought that setup was fucking brilliant.

Sarah Silverman is p clearly playing a character and is good at it.

Clay was who I specifically had in mind, but I guess someone could argue that he's always playing a "character". I don't know though, it just seems like a super lazy defense in some cases.

I think Sam Kinison is a better example

froggy, i didn't say it was rehearsed. i said it was consistent with the rest of his act. comedy clubs aren't friendly places imho, if you don't know how to shut a heckler down, you don't get to have a career. his way of shutting this heckler down was to encourage people to laugh at the idea of her being raped. are you seriously going to tell me that "threatening a heckler with gang rape" is somehow out of character? lol, ok.

oh look my very simple explanation of why Phil's analogy didn't work spawned a whole new tangent and Shakey and Morbz bloviation yay

I don't know how anyone could look at Kinison or Clay and not think those guys are playing characters. they're in fucking COSTUME

Sarah Silverman is p clearly playing a character and is good at it.

totally agree, not sure if her audiences always grasp this tho

<i>people who understand that even the "just a guy thinkin baout stuff" persona is a construct/character in and of itself and use it really well

I remember seeing a comedian start a joke with "So I was walking down the street the other day... as far as you know" and I don't even remember the rest of the joke, but I thought that setup was fucking brilliant.</i>

Amy Schumer does this, too. "My best friend is black . . . for the purposes of this joke . . ."

elmo - I *do* think it's consistant with this character, but I don't think it's something he would have said had he thought about it for a moment. I assume it's like NBA players shooting free throws; you should be able to make them because it's part of the job, but nobody gets it 100%. A comedian known for edgy race humor doesn't suddenly start making terrible jokes about genocide even if it's consistant with their act.

http://quietlunch.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/gilbert-gottfried_l.jpg

I feel like if Tosh had, like, a second to think about his response, he would have known it was a bad idea to say what he did. The fact that he apologized (sort of) for this is at least something; he doesn't really apologize for anything otherwise. His bit was about how you can derive humor from really dark places, not just "lol rape".

No, he makes jokes about rape all of the time and usually gets patted on the back for it so he thought this would get his typical response. The only reason he semi-apologized is that this joke got more attention in the media than the rest of his misogynist, racist dreck.

the younger class of bromedians.

I'm totally out of the loop re: this class, I guess. I've heard *of* Tosh, never seen him. I just youtubed about 10 minutes worth, and he's really extremely unfunny.

if you watch all the heckler DESTROYED/OWNED!!!!! videos on youtube you will often see a comedian melt down and just start telling stupid fuckers to fuck off and tell the heckler that they are gay or a pedophile or whatever. just stream of filth reactions that are in no way filtered or considered. they aren't really thinking. jusr spewing.

the thing with guys like Colbert and Dice is that the longer you play a character, the harder it is to separate that character from your real persona

that makes no sense

towards the end of his life, Olivier thought he actually WAS Hamlet

i liked some of a tosh special i saw on netflix but the "shocking" stuff is pretty ho hum really. he has pretty good delivery and he looks squeaky clean so that's kinda half the shock value. you don't expect him to be as foul as he can be.

http://voicechasers.com/images/actors/1573.jpg

actually that's true of sarah silverman too. i just think she's funnier.

No, he makes jokes about rape all of the time and usually gets patted on the back for it so he thought this would get his typical response. The only reason he semi-apologized is that this joke got more attention in the media than the rest of his misogynist, racist dreck.

Making a joke about rape in a set and telling a specific person they should get raped are different things. He knows this, hence the apology.

we don't actually know how the audience reacted, do we? maybe they loved it.

emo and judy tenuta look so normal now. they look really nice normal. same with bobcat.

You forgot the square quotes around "apology".

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frogs otm in this thread

Making a joke about rape in a set and telling a specific person they should get raped are different things. He knows this, hence the apology.

There may be a difference, but I don't think that's going to be that big of a distinction to a person like Tosh.

Tweet a moment ago from Anthony Jeselnik (who's kind of Tosh-y, but gets more passes because he's less fratty, maybe?):

yeah (ugh jeselnik) but the interesting thing is that tosh used to get the same passes back in the day. his CC special basically gave him a "dane cook for dudes in sweatervests" rep.

frogs otm in this thread

I really, really think you want to qualify this post.

Just curious, if you flag post the same user for different posts on the same thread, does it count?

I don't think so

Let's all just focus on flagging the obvious one here guys.

I don't know why flag post even exists since it has no effect.

well, i can't really remember specifics now and i don't feel like scrolling up, but i think he's operating in generally reasonable areas.

but idk, i see it as "moron girl acts out of order at Daniel Tosh gig, moron Daniel TOsh responds way fucking out of order." so i can't really feel a lot of sympathy.

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towards the end of his life, Olivier thought he actually WAS Hamlet

that's not really a good analogy at all. guys like Colbert and Dice are consistantly writing for themselves, doing interviews "in character", and being forced to improvise and get inside their character's mindspace. you can see how their material changes over time.

this whole schtick is out of order

xp

I don't think you really grasp the concept/practice of "acting"

xp

xp Nah it's alright Gukbe leapt in front of that particular bullet

the thing about this situation is that I can see exactly where his original joke that drew the heckle is trying to go but he basically went to the most horrible, unacceptable place he could go to deal with the heckle short of physically assaulting this woman

so yeah, Tosh is a dick, no sympathy

I don't think you really grasp the concept/practice of "acting"

I don't think you grasp the difference between playing a character in a weekly play or TV show and playing that character for a good portion of your waking life

JFC I think Gawker commenters are now reaching sub-YouTube levels of odiousness, like the guy calling the original girl an "uppity broad".

whoa, i didn't know she was black

― frogbs, Wednesday, July 11, 2012 3:12 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Just to remind everyone which one to flag post and to show Gubke where he might want to distance himself from frogs.

to be fair that was a dig at you guys

colbert and dice just do not seem comparable

not that i've witnessed much dice beyond spare yt clips but he's always struck me as a dude who put on a character as an excuse to do all the awful shit he had festering in him. the colbert character is clearly satirical all the time and he's always a little bit on the verge of cracking up, no way he goes olivier in his old age

yeah i just sort of skimmed all that but

frogbs is just playing a character

to be fair that was a dig at you guys

appreciate that

Always a good look to be racist in order to get in a dig at someone.

that was seriously a dig at people mentioning the 100% true fact that 'uppity' is often racially loaded

frogs please don't start doing standup

frogbs in the cut, that's a scary sight

Huh, I was going for the one where he suggested we disallow discussion of privilege to up the IQ.

playing a character in a weekly play or TV show and playing that character for a good portion of your waking life

irl lol

that was seriously a dig at people mentioning the 100% true fact that 'uppity' is often always racially loaded

I think in general when comedians get heckled it activates a rush of panic and adrenaline and their instinct is to destroy the person immediately because if they start to relent or stall for time, it ruins the show in a way. The heckler scene in Louie is a great portrayal of this - many people in that thread said "the woman deserved it" and maybe she did, but Louie's mixture of increasingly cruel, badly formed jokes felt like it was losing the audience, and I think comedians fear this a lot. They think "what is the most vile and mean-spirited thing I can say to this person right now", and some comedians choose really poorly (Michael Richards and Tracy Morgan are good examples). I feel like if Tosh had, like, a second to think about his response, he would have known it was a bad idea to say what he did. The fact that he apologized (sort of) for this is at least something; he doesn't really apologize for anything otherwise. His bit was about how you can derive humor from really dark places, not just "lol rape".

― frogbs, Wednesday, July 11, 2012 4:40 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

this is pretty reasonable

so far the only reasonable thing frogbs has said in this thread was where he equated handling hecklers with making free throws

the efficacy of the "humor comes from dark places" defense really depends on whose suffering you're making light of imho.

"here's funny jokes about dark, painful shit i've confronted in my life" - ok

"rape is always funny" - ugh

not that i've witnessed much dice beyond spare yt clips but he's always struck me as a dude who put on a character as an excuse to do all the awful shit he had festering in him. the colbert character is clearly satirical all the time and he's always a little bit on the verge of cracking up, no way he goes olivier in his old age

early Dice was also pretty clearly satirical. I don't think the awful shit started festering in him until his career started to go downhill

well Tosh is an idiot, but that's kind of a given, right? there are always going to be shitty, stupid lowest-common-denominator (in a bad way) comics trying to SHOCK people, and stupid people will think it's really audacious and hilarious but they're really just stupid. What's new, here?

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youtube

btw Bobcat has some standup DVD out w/ the title You Don't Look the Same Either.

Tosh is not an idiot, but then again neither is George W Bush. Thinking they are just makes it easier for people.

have you seen that Bobcat DVD/is it any good?

nope

also should I see American Dad or whatever it's called

NO

Tosh is not an idiot, but then again neither is George W Bush. Thinking they are just makes it easier for people.

― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:07 PM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark

otm

profound

Shakey, you really dont think that Colbert constantly playing the same character and writing new material for him over the last TEN YEARS has affected his personality at all?

well Tosh is an idiot, but that's kind of a given, right? there are always going to be shitty, stupid lowest-common-denominator (in a bad way) comics trying to SHOCK people, and stupid people will think it's really audacious and hilarious but they're really just stupid. What's new, here?

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― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Wednesday, July 11, 2012 1:04 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

excited for your message board that will only have discussions about things that are new, sure it's going to have lots of stimulating content

colbert is a smart, loving catholic dad IRL iirc

mentioned upthread, should be here for reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNRNCk3YwqE

this dude totally keeps his cool. pretty impressive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1yor1oEjeM

Shakey, you really dont think that Colbert constantly playing the same character and writing new material for him over the last TEN YEARS has affected his personality at all?

what kind of ridiculous question is this? I don't know Colbert, I have no way of gauging whether this is true or not (and frankly, neither do you), but what's more I don't think there's any empirical evidence for sustained improvisation resulting in a permanent personality changes. the assertion is nonsensical.

fwiw I've read personality profiles of Colbert in the NYT and elsewhere and dude seems perfectly well-adjusted

of course that could all be PART OF THE ACT

where was i reading an interview - maybe with louis - where at some clubs (maybe this was boston) comics would study the exits and the route to their car so that they could get out as fast as possible and not meet up with drunk people in the parking lot. the kind of clubs where you could get beat up for having a bad night or bombing.

how crazy do you have to be to want to attack someone for failing to make you laugh

it happens!

I can imagine there've been actors, possibly including comedians, who have grown into their characters or gone native in some way, I'm just not sure why you'd single out Colbert in that regard

Steve Martin really DID become a jerk afaict

what kind of ridiculous question is this? I don't know Colbert, I have no way of gauging whether this is true or not (and frankly, neither do you), but what's more I don't think there's any empirical evidence for sustained improvisation resulting in a permanent personality changes. the assertion is nonsensical.

I've read profiles of Colbert that claim that "it's hard to know when he's in character nowadays". It's really incredible how fast he's able to improvise during some of his interviews - I would think that's a result of how his last decade of news-watching has all boiled down to "how would my character interpret this?" And I guess I'm finding it tough to believe that it doesn't affect his IRL persona a bit. Obviously just speculation but acts like his (and Tosh, and Dice, and Neil Hamburger etc.) always seem to start very satirical and cartoonish but begin to feel, I dunno, differently over time? Maybe it's a product of social media and the 24/7 entertainment cycle where these guys think "I pretty much have to be in character all the time"?

how crazy do you have to be to want to attack someone for failing to make you laugh

this is pretty standard Bostonite behavior

I've read profiles of Colbert that claim that "it's hard to know when he's in character nowadays"

do you realize there's a huge gulf between other people not always being able to tell when he's in character (which is basically one of the necessary functions of the act) and Colbert himself losing the ability to make the distinction?

why is this character matter under discussion, please? is anyone asserting that tosh's offstage identity has any relevance to what he said onstage?

This isn't the rolling Daniel Tosh thread.

possible origin:

T/S: a comedian playing an easily distinguishable character (ala Stephen Colbert) vs. a comedian whose offstage demeanour is completely indistinguishable from their performances but pulls out the "playing a character" defense when called on saying some offensive shit

― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:16 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

I've read early interviews with Tosh (as of 3-4 years ago) and he came off as being a pretty nice and gracious guy, I just think that spending years with a mentality of "people are expecting me to be offensive, so how can I push the line even further today" can eventually lead to saying something that really does push the line in a bad way because he's not able to separate himself from the character quickly enough.

Some people are finessing the idea that Tosh was on some Miami Vice there's-undercover-and-there's-which-way-is-up shit, and it was the character speaking not him, you see?

‏@kylekinane
I don't think rape jokes are funny but I will never not laugh when a dog humps someone's leg so don't tell me how to feel about things.

Phil wondered aloud why people would feel more comfortable heckling a comedian than an orchestra, I responded that it has to do with the fact that standup comedy is more about the performer speaking conversationally than an instrumental music performance, and a bunch of point-missing pedants took so much issue with the way I phrased it that the stupid fucking tangent swallowed the thread.

xp and there's the pure strain!

Some people are finessing the idea that Tosh was on some Miami Vice there's-undercover-and-there's-which-way-is-up shit, and it was the character speaking not him, you see?

― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:43 PM (25 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao

The nuances of a comedian's character and how it relates to their actual self is pretty interesting to me, even if it is tangential to this riveting discussion about the terrible comedian who is in the news for terrible reasons.

limbaugh does that "playing a character" thing a lot, fwiw.

really? I've heard him say he's an entertainer, never seen him say he plays a character

frogbs, please write a piece in defense of daniel tosh for huffpo, this could be your big break

grantland would be a better fit for frog-rantland

in other news, this is the kind of thing that annoys me: http://studentactivism.net/2012/07/10/goddamn-it-louis/

Also some of us are waiting to see if frogbs's "playing a horrible character can change you" is preparation for a possible face turn.

my only real defense of Tosh is that his Web Redemptions are really funny

dammit frogs i was sort of defending you but just can't no more

some dude, I blame you for all of this ensuing awesomeness.

sorry Gukbe, no one rides the F-train forever

Also some of us are waiting to see if frogbs's "playing a horrible character can change you" is preparation for a possible face turn.

^^^

Dragging Louie CK into this is kind of weird considering his tweet was basically nothing more than "I like your show", but there are some choice quotes here

I’ll be specific then: Louis CK once joked that no one would (publicly) claim that there were “good reasons” for rape. He also once joked how if he could travel back in time,he’d rape Hitler so viciously that Hitler won’t do any of the things Hitler is known for. In other words, Louis CK seems to think there are indeed “good reasons” for rape which are essentially the same “reasons” people who rape lesbians to make them “straight” use to rationalize their views and use of rape.

don't think this guy really "gets" comedy

some dude, I blame you for all of this ensuing awesomeness.

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:52 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

well hey as long as someone's enjoying the festive dance (TM)

i don't think that guy gets the difference between anti-nazism and anti-lesbianism

iirc the punchline to the "there are good reasons for rape" bit was "like, i want to have sex with this girl but she won't let me."

it goes without saying that tosh probably wouldn't have said what he said if those women had been sitting with three dudes or whatever right? which is why i appreciate the lil' white dude comic in the harlem club going off on some guy that he can barely see in that clip i posted. i mean he's a little crazy! tosh isn't that crazy. there are a lot of heckler clips where comics go off on women in the audience in a way that i don't feel they would go off on some huge drunk guy. most comedians are pretty wimpy in general.

Dice would literally pick fistfights with people in the audience, which I always found amusing

What if "Hitler" was just a character.

yeah, i just meant he doesn't mind being taken seriously as a political commentator until there's a flap and then he's just an entertainer or whatnot so ppl shouldn't take him seriously.

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nb i'm talking about limbaugh not hitler.

What if "Hitler" was just a character.

― polyphonic, Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:58 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

'it's just a social experiment guys, god you're all so serious'

In his free time he was a vegetarian painter who loved his wife

is there any way that isn't the worst possible analogy

No, is it a satire of bad analogies.

letters are characters too

shapes are objects too, think about it

'it's just a social experiment guys, god you're all so serious'

and that's how Hitler wrote the Bee Gees "I Started A Joke"

toshpot

sorry Gukbe, no one rides the F-train forever

late lol

what kind of ridiculous question is this? I don't know Colbert, I have no way of gauging whether this is true or not (and frankly, neither do you), but what's more I don't think there's any empirical evidence for sustained improvisation resulting in a permanent personality changes. the assertion is nonsensical.
I've read profiles of Colbert that claim that "it's hard to know when he's in character nowadays". It's really incredible how fast he's able to improvise during some of his interviews - I would think that's a result of how his last decade of news-watching has all boiled down to "how would my character interpret this?" And I guess I'm finding it tough to believe that it doesn't affect his IRL persona a bit. Obviously just speculation but acts like his (and Tosh, and Dice, and Neil Hamburger etc.) always seem to start very satirical and cartoonish but begin to feel, I dunno, differently over time? Maybe it's a product of social media and the 24/7 entertainment cycle where these guys think "I pretty much have to be in character all the time"?

― frogbs, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:34 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

just out of sheer pro-colbertism, this is contrary to what i've read of him; it's always that he's the kinda downhome quiet NJ dad who's very mild, who turns on the thundering conservative at will. & i think his improvisational skills are a whole other thing!

http://voicechasers.com/images/actors/1573.jpg

Is that LeBron James's half-white, non-athlete brother?

a small update to the story, up to you if you believe this or not (frankly, neither account really feels reliable): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/10/daniel-tosh-rape-joke-laugh-factory_n_1662882.html?utm_hp_ref=entertainment&ir=Entertainment

"Daniel came in, and he said, 'Well it sounds like she’s been raped by five guys' — something like that. I really didn’t hear properly."

definitive

as I said, that's a definitive account

Specifically, he’s told some rape jokes. In each case, if I squinted, I could read them as rape culture jokes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU3IM5pWTcc

why the fuck did i scroll down????

"That offends me" is basically saying "I can't control my emotions, so I want the rest of you to do it for me." I hope she does get raped. That would be some quality karmic/comedic justice.

If you're going to a Tosh performance without knowing his brand of humor then you get what you deserve. If you're going to a Tosh performance knowing full well his brand of humor and you're offended anyway, then you're too thin-skinned to be there in the first place.

This girl was 100% asking for it by interrupting Tosh at work

A shrew looking/begging for her 15 minutes!

I changed my mind, Tosh fans are the worst people ever.

yeah

even Tosh himself admits this

Few things make me as IA as people who feel the need to dictate when its acceptable for other people to be offended or not.

‏@DougStanhope
' @danieltosh You're hilarious. If you ever apologize to a heckler again I will rape you. #FuckThatPig

Those commenters are assholes, to be sure, and I'm going to give the offended audience member the benefit of the doubt and assume she didn't know anything about Tosh when she went in, but I think she or anyone absolutely has the right to be offended (and in this case, probably should be offended) but I don't think that means she should have spoken up during the set. Comedian seem very defensive about the stand up v heckler culture.

I'm devastated to learn that Doug Stanhope thinks Daniel Tosh is hilarious. :/

that's not to excuse Tosh's handling of the situation at all, btw.

this daniel tosh rape joke thing is funny because, like, now who's gonna be the national representative of west hollywood?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J0RQ4A3jvE

Ricky Gervais is the wooorst

more from the commentariat: well what shocks me is that a bitchy homosexual would say something that demeans women.

how big is this outside of the internet? I still watched tv when the Michael Richards thing happened. Obv not that that level but is it being covered?

I only pay attention to the internet so idk

apparently tosh + i share a birthday

which one

i was only born once

well then James Bond LIED TO ME

pfft take it to the boy problems thread imo

xp nope, he said you only LIVE twice, number of births not mentioned, HA!

#yobo

ugh Stanhope

I haven't checked twitter since yesterday, but it seems all of the comedians defending Tosh are likewise complete douchebags (I still don't call Louis's tweet a "defense").

I listened to that Todd Glass/Paul F. Tompkins discussion linked to upthread and the biggest takeaway is "Comedy is not a blanket, and whether or not a joke or topic is offensive CAN BE assessed on a case-by-case basis."

In this case, Daniel Tosh went too far and I don't believe anything the manager of The Laugh Factory has to say because his primary goal is to keep patrons coming.

I don't think it's fair to call all the comedians defending Tosh douchebags. They're defending his right to deal with a heckler, which I think is pretty important to comics.

Stanhope also tried to take credit for the "comedian who forces women to watch him beat off" thing as well

Stanhope and those guys kinda wear the right to say that shit as a badge of honor, they're like NRA crazies ranting about the 2nd amendment.

I'm sure Jim Jeffries sent Tosh a fruit basket.

aren't you saying that he should be "raped-by-10 guys angry if not 14 or 17"

― calum-y maybe (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, July 11, 2012 11:00 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

lol

the whole outpouring of support from disgruntled comics on twitter proves for the millionth time that standup comics are sort of the most sensitive crybabies in the world (bcz irony)

the whole boys club support group culture of comedy not entirely far off from reddit culture tbh

the whole the whole the whole

otm

like i understand the need for support systems and how they arise in these kinda situations (since comedy seems to be so much about networking/who you're pals with anyway) but that most of the pro comics i follow on twitter are more concerned with the heckling aspect of this scenario is p fucked

i don't think it's so much 'support system' as, like, way more than in any other part of the entertainment industry it seems like every touring comedian knows each other and has problem gotten drunk together, and while there are obv feuds there's also a lot of camaraderie. which i think is kinda cool, especially when Louie being cool with Tosh makes people all aghast like they just found out their favorite indie band is bros with Nickelback.

go to 26:30. rich don't like it when you leave while he's talking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOx_DCRxR5M&feature=related

the whole boys club support group culture of comedy not entirely far off from reddit culture tbh

reddit is probably less misogynistic tbh

Guess louie isnt so funny after all if he thinks jokes like that are okay......
Posting this to my TUmblr

so much of that going on

Have there been any further reports about what was actually said besides the woman's blog post and Tosh's apology, which includes the 'out-of-context misquotes aside' qualifier?

It might be interesting to hear how the actual exchange went down.

yeah, there's the statement from the owner of the club, where he says "I didn't hear what he said but I reckon it was inoffensive, probably."

He also said she stayed for the whole show

"out of context" = "you totally had to be there, bro"

That's bogus! I don't know - I'm definitely not comfortable making any definitive statements without the whole story, or at least more than just those two takes. Regardless of my own feelings about ironic racism, frat-dude comedy, etc. - first amendment stuff gets awful slippery awful fast, in both directions.

not to be the fuckin namedropper asshole but I have heard fairly reliable reports that when you do the Colbert show he comes to the dressing room personally to explain the persona to you & make sure you dig that he doesn't believe what he says, and that he leads off this presentation by saying "You understand my character, right: I'm an idiot?"

^^^have heard same

wait did u say colbert or frogbs

Has he ever had anyone storm out at that point?

There's a video of him doing that to John Kerry. I was surprised how small the Colbert dressing rooms were. That doesn't really invalidate what I'm saying but I admit Colbert was probably a bad example

That's bogus! I don't know - I'm definitely not comfortable making any definitive statements without the whole story, or at least more than just those two takes. Regardless of my own feelings about ironic racism, frat-dude comedy, etc. - first amendment stuff gets awful slippery awful fast, in both directions.

this has nothing to do with the first amendment tho, far as i can tell

it might if she files charges against him but... yeah 1st Amendment not really relevant here

The first amendment protects speech. It doesn't and has never protected you from getting shit for whatever stupid thing you're free to say.

Yeah, that's my bad - I'm definitely not talking about legal freedom of speech, at all. I guess I just mean that I tend to find that things get complicated when it's an artist (and like 'im or not, this dude is one) 'getting shit for whatever stupid thing you're free to say' when the circumstances are so vague. And they ARE vague!

Fuck, this whole thing pisses me off so much. Like, this cycle of people saying really truly horrible things and getting totally off the hook by TWEETING AN APOLOGY (or getting their press person to tweet an apology for them), and then suddenly everything's fucking OK.

It's not that he shouldn't be allowed to say it, it's that he feels the need to say it at all and that people respond to it positively / the reinforcement of rape culture / etc, etc.

what would be your preferred outcome

of this specific incident, I mean

In fairness, I don't think that apology has silenced anyone at all.

I mean, personally, I'd just like to see an end to "I'm saying this CRAZY THING I DONT REALLY BELIEVE" joke as an excuse to make racist/sexist/rapey/etc jokes.

is that really what he does...?

I don't really pay attention to him maybe it is all an ironic-distance-schtick but this particular incident doesn't scan that way to me

No, you're right, Tosh was seriously hoping a woman got gang-raped in a crowded club, Shakey

It has expanded into Tosh's history of sexual harassment stunts: http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2012/07/12/515638/daniel-tosh-harassment/

Annoyingly someone tweeting about that has to "cc: @LouisCK" because fans of his are lost and delirious after his tweet.

Obv it'd be pretty great if he never said it at all; preferred outcome is something akin to tons and tons of people realizing how awful he is, his show tanking, him experiencing some sort of actual consequences, etc.

No, you're right, Tosh was seriously hoping a woman got gang-raped in a crowded club, Shakey

I think he was seriously saying what he felt - which was the most offensive/put-her-in-her-place remark he could come up with. I don't see him hiding behind "a REAL sexist would say this, but I'm not really sexist I'm making a joke about the things sexist guys say" sort of defense.

like, he really believed in the spirit of the remark, if not its literal application.

i dunno, even his comeback scans to me as Sarah Silverman-style "lol button pushing." ie, "Wouldn't it be funny if this girl got raped" actually means "Isn't it funny that i;'m SAYING it's funny if this girl got raped?"

Its basically the same thing Vice magazine does but for fratboys

then again, im not daniel tosh, so who knows

I think he was seriously saying what he felt - which was the most offensive/put-her-in-her-place remark he could come up with. I don't see him hiding behind "a REAL sexist would say this, but I'm not really sexist I'm making a joke about the things sexist guys say" sort of defense.

The distinctions between the positions you're describing combined with whatever actually happened--the distinctions are, I confess, meaningless to me. I just do not care which delicate shading of meaning he meant to apply.

Like what's the difference btwn "Wouldn't it be funny if, like, 5 guys raped her?" and "Wouldn't it be funny if we, like, curbed a bunch of faggots?" or "Wouldn't it be funny if we, like, shot a bunch of black people in the head?"

That's where it gets into tricky territory about listener/audience interpretation and original intent. xpost

Stevie, that's literally all variations of the one joke that Daniel Tosh does

"Wouldn't it be funny if this girl got raped" actually means "Isn't it funny that i;'m SAYING it's funny if this girl got raped?"

I think it actually means "shut up you stupid woman" but yeah we're splitting hairs here

the thing is, he could have handled that heckle without going there with her

he could have been all, "Oh come on, yes they are. What if it was about me? What if the joke was about me getting raped? Wouldn't that be funny? No? What if the rapist was wearing a pirate hat and a monocle? Still not funny? Maybe he has clown shoes, too? And afterward he makes me a latte? No? Well, you just don't have a sense of humor," and then the situation is defused without him calling for some anonymous woman in a dark, tiny club to get raped by someone. Then again, his act is the exact opposite of, say, Joel McHale's, who will often turn jokes back on himself, so he may not even have the performance vocabulary to deal with a heckler that way, which is all the more reason for him not to do stand-up IMO.

that reminds me, in terms of the "are rape jokes ever funny" aspect of this debate... I brought up Rodney Dangerfield earlier, who's one of my favorite comedians ever, but he did have a rape joke. Which, in typical Rodney fashion, was ultimately about himself but even so... anyway, I'm curious as to whether anyone actually thinks this joke is funny to wit:

"the only reason I have any sex at all is because of who I am...a rapist."

xp

he could have handled that heckle without going there with her

no doubt, which goes back to my post upthread that you can judge comedians by how they handle hecklers, and this idiot is a case in point.

i think that dangerfield joke is funny but i'm awful and u should condemn me for laughing

Rodney's joke has the advantage over Tosh's of being a) clever b) structured with 'rapist' at the end of the joke rather throwing it out and waiting for effect and c) actually a joke.

I don't see many people defending Tosh because of the quality of his rape joke/response.

yeah the Rodney one is pretty funny

http://jezebel.com/5925186/how-to-make-a-rape-joke

didn't even open the link, but jezebel not at the top of my list of blogs who i'd trust with humor related advice

That's actually a really good piece, Mordy.

Stevie, that's literally all variations of the one joke that Daniel Tosh does

spoken like a guy who watched literally half of one episode of his show

Johnny Fever OTM, that piece has several very funny jokes in it.

I mean, personally, I'd just like to see an end to "I'm saying this CRAZY THING I DONT REALLY BELIEVE" joke as an excuse to make racist/sexist/rapey/etc jokes.

this is kind of weird coming from a guy who's defended Chappelle on a number of occasions

This paragraph is funnier than anything I've ever heard Tosh say, which is admittedly not that much, but still.

Male comics: this is not an issue of your oppression. You guys know that "thought police" isn't a real thing, right? (I mean, not anymore—it was the first thing to go in the recession.) At no point in time will some shimmery grandpa-of-the-future say, ‎"When I was your age, Timmy, we had these things called 'jokes.' But then they came for our rape humor and our racism, so comedy died and chuckles were abolished." I'm pretty sure there are a couple of jokes out there that don't involve a lady getting raped. Like 100 at least! Hooray, comedy is saved! Nobody is taking away your right to talk about rape, make jokes about rape, or use the word "rape." No cunty feminist killjoy is citizen's-arresting you and taking you to brain jail for your shitty rape joke.

not to be the fuckin namedropper asshole but I have heard fairly reliable reports that when you do the Colbert show he comes to the dressing room personally to explain the persona to you & make sure you dig that he doesn't believe what he says, and that he leads off this presentation by saying "You understand my character, right: I'm an idiot?"

― perry en concrète (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, July 12, 2012 12:12 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ive seen a couple of shows where it seems like the person doesnt get it. Maybe it was early in the run before Colbert understood that he needed to have this pre-show meeting with the guest. But then again, there was one with some author a couple of weeks ago (i seem to remember the guy's book being called "Canada") who truly seemed to not get it. Or maybe he just had no sense of humor. Anyway, he was a terrible guest.

I was cool with that article until the Borat

xp

ok, i'll check it out

that would be acclaimed novelist Richard Ford
xpost

noted humorless individual Richard Ford more like

I loved her Sex and the City 2 review, and I think using "rape" in it had a lot of humorous impact.

tho tbf she admits that Borat's joke is in itself racist

xp

(This joke is almost certainly offensive to Kazakhs, but someone else can be in charge of the anti-Kazakh-joke manifesto.)

Shakey, I believe she has identified your calling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLWlBgj0uOc

that would be acclaimed novelist Richard Ford
xpost

― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, July 12, 2012 2:53 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Acclaimed lame-ass Dick Ford

you should check him out, he's probably written some books about fucking prostitutes

more like independence gay

you should check him out, he's probably written some books about fucking prostitutes

― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, July 12, 2012 2:58 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Thanks for the recommendation on Dick Ford. I will check out some Dick.

Ive seen a couple of shows where it seems like the person doesnt get it. Maybe it was early in the run before Colbert understood that he needed to have this pre-show meeting with the guest.

Early on (up to about the point he did the Coorespondants Dinner, where the people who hired him clearly had no idea what his character was) I don't think most of the guests were told. It felt like an Ali G thing at times. Nowadays his guests are a little more self-aware but I would doubt that unless it's a major political figure they would feel the need to say "oh, he's playing a character here, in case you've never watched the show ever"

I hate it when guests acknowledge the character at some point in the interview. Stephen always shoots them an "eat shit" look.

spoken like a guy who watched literally half of one episode of his show

― frogbs, Thursday, July 12, 2012 1:47 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm not gonna suffer through hours of his shit searching desperately for the pearls. Fifteen minutes on a variety of subjects (Katrina, Demi and Ashton, gays, women) is enough to safely say I don't find him remotely funny. Not because he "goes there." Because I don't find him funny.

on a normal day of the week i think about tosh 0:00 minutes of time. on days when i watch my DVR recording of Futurama, i think about tosh 0:02 minutes of time, bc i catch the last 2 minutes of his show before futurama starts. since he told his rape joke, i have thought about tosh probably like 1500% more than on futurama days (which tbf is still only half an hour altogether but is still 28 more minutes than the worst tosh day of the week). at first i wanted to blame someone, ilx in aggregate, the internet, for subjecting me to this. but maybe this is the way it should be. we should all share in the misery of dealing with tosh. none of us should be able to hide behind the privilege of not having to know about him and his stupid banal bullshit. if one of us has to hear tosh, we all have to hear tosh. that's what it means to be a human.

what if they fire Tosh, but replace him with Carlos Mencia

Carlos has burned every single one of his CC bridges.

mencia.ó

What if they just delete Comedy Central

nooooooooo they are still showing Futurama and South Park and Workaholics

i actually watched a full tosh.o episode this week bc i wanted to see if he'd address what happened (someone at the end of the episode threw bags at him and shouted that he was bad - i assume that was a response to the hullabaloo). at some point he told a joke about black ppl. i don't remember exactly what the particular racist implication was but after he said it he grinned and said, "it's funny because it's racist."

netflix should just do those shows djp

adult swim >>> comedy central

I hate it when guests acknowledge the character at some point in the interview. Stephen always shoots them an "eat shit" look.

that totally ruins the interview; however it is kind of funny when Bill O'Reilly tries to do it as Stephen either doesn't acknowledge it or turns it back on O'Reilly. The Colbert/O'Reilly interviews are incredible

I'm not gonna suffer through hours of his shit searching desperately for the pearls. Fifteen minutes on a variety of subjects (Katrina, Demi and Ashton, gays, women) is enough to safely say I don't find him remotely funny. Not because he "goes there." Because I don't find him funny.

That's fine, but it's kind of like saying "I watched 15 minutes of Chappelle's show, so I can say that literally the only thing he ever talks about is race, and everything you hear from him is a variant on that"

I mean you're not completely wrong on him and I do seem to like him less every year, but there's a lot of good self-aware stuff on there too, and he's not as predictable as you guys are making him out to be

also Mordy IIRC this airs on Tuesdays so I don't think he's had time to respond to it; if he has a response to it it'll probably be on this week's episode

you really have to watch a tv show for like 30 hours to hate it authoritatively, so you should watch every tv show for at least 30 hours

I'm rmde pretty hard about mordy not wanting to click on a jezebel article because humorless feminists obv, when the article is actually funny, is ABOUT a kind of humor that we can all agree is offensive, and in itself makes a joke about "cunty feminist killjoy(s)." I got lost in the layers of that somewhere but...really?

ok, i read it but let's not get too excited. i didn't LAUGH OUT LOUD. Jezebel is fine and I read it frequently but they don't exactly bring the funny. which is okay. they're not a comedy website.

i did read that author's review of SATC2 when it came out and i enjoyed it. do i need to say it was a funny article bc it made some good points?

i'm pretty sure i have laughed at every wrong/taboo/etc subject there is to talk about when it comes to comedy. think i mentioned this on ilx somewhere but someone sold me a bunch of old national lampoons from the 70s and i hadn't looked at them in years - i read them all the time when i was a kid - and most "edgy" modern comedy doesn't come close to how fitlhy/horrible/wrong/racist/sexist those magazines are. tosh doesn't come anywhere near them. he's a choirboy in comparison. you could never get away with a magazine like that now unless it was a porn mag that nobody reads like hustler or something. i used to buy them all the time when i was like 11 and 12!

and now john hughes and pj o'rourke are revered elder statesmen, right? well, sorta.

that magazine was staffed with snooty smug white dudes who loved to "shock" and basically didn't care who they offended.

What you should really do is NOT say, I'm not going to read that article on a feminist site because what do feminists/women know about humor amirite? And then everyone else should not be like "Oh that's cool dude but it actually IS funny. I know, isn't that amazing?"

Laurel.

no one said "that's cool"

no one even said "I'm not going to read that article on a feminist site because what do feminists/women know about humor amirite"

i said: "didn't even open the link, but jezebel not at the top of my list of blogs who i'd trust with humor related advice"

xp No, but also no one pointed out that the whole "I don't really go to jezebel for advice on humor, you know what I'm saying?" was both jerky and totally unnecessary. Maybe people were just being gracious and letting it slide, I don't know.

no one said "that's cool"

― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Thursday, July 12, 2012 3:19 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif

but really this has nothing to do with jezebel or tosh, but w all the unresolved feelings between laurel + me.

has this been banner week for arguments or have I just actually been reading threads

a little of both, maybe?

like, without those unresolved feelings maybe u could assume my comment came from a place of having read jezebel for years now and having an intimate familiarity with their tone + style and nothing to do with whether they're 'feminist' or not. but bc you're waiting to show the world how i'm a terrible person hiding behind a cloak of words, you run in before there's anything to torch and start freestyling what my posts mean. if you have a problem w/ me i think you should just be honest about it instead of trying to get these little digs in. they're WAY beneath you.

I don't think I've been dishonest about it anywhere? But yeah, combined with your digging at WCC the other day, and the nastiness of your tone there, I am getting a really bad vibe off you lately.

Look on the bright side, at least you havent been tagged with the "fucking prostitutes" thing for five years. So you have that going for you.

I have historically disliked more Jezebel articles than I have liked and it's down to writing style and tone. Not clicking a jezebel link is reasonable and not necessarily anti-feminist imo.

xxpost

no one pointed out that the whole "I don't really go to jezebel for advice on humor, you know what I'm saying?" was both jerky and totally unnecessary.

I was going to but Mordy made it pretty clear what he thinks of me yesterday so . . . **shrug**

Laurel, I just webmailed you. We can talk about WCC off-board if you want. I'd rather not add fuel to that fire. Suffice it to say here that I have nothing personal against k8 and at some points I've even stepped up to defend her. It happens that we fell on different sides of a particular topic on a particular thread, but I'm not giving off a 'bad vibe,' certainly not intentionally, and my tone may sound nasty, but it's intended to be blunt and direct.

more like independence gay

― max, Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:59 PM

lol. when will this ever not be funny to me? i am forever 11 or 12 apparently.

And sorry, Jezebel is a lot of things, some of them awesome, but it is rarely funny. (Gawker too for that matter. I find that snide snark tone to be the opposite of funny.)

itt a Workaholics fan schools people on what is funny

I'm not a Workaholics fan?

I am a Community fan tho. You can 'ding' me for that.

And while we're spilling dirty laundry, I stopped enjoying your posts, Phil, after this exchange: Waaaait, whut? Slowly reading and liveblogging the Bible!

It seemed pretty clear to me there that you were more interested in making your point and getting your digs in than actually having a conversation. You'll note that it has nothing to do with the other thread we were in together this week. Oh hey, Laurel was there too. Fun.

guyz this is about Daniel Tosh rape jokes let's try to respect that

What you should really do is NOT say, I'm not going to read that article on a feminist site because what do feminists/women know about humor amirite?

good idea, which is why I'm glad he didn't say that. welp, that's settled

Eh, I made you a stand-in for my beef w/Biblical literalists, Mordy. It was assholish, and I'm sorry. Everybody's occasionally an asshole, and that was one of my turns. I stay out of the religion threads now anyway, and bailed on the "Fear of Death" one when it got around to "maybe rocks have souls," because I'm bound to say something assholish there, too.

itt Tosh.0 tears us apart, then brings us together

Jezebel is almost always funny, though.

Lindy West fills in at Deadspin every once in a while, where she writes things like "Hello, little lambs. It's me, some lady! You might remember me from yelling about vagina over at Jezebel" and "Vaginally yours, Lindy", forgive me for not finding her funny, I hope that doesn't make me an anti-feminist

Discussion of rocks having souls makes me think I am making a mistake not following that thread.

Phil, my experience of arguing with you on ilx is that you misunderstand what I write, or willfully ignore the point I'm trying to make, and that it is a frustrating experience talking to you. It has nothing to do with the particular topics: the bible, feminism, comedy, transexualism. It's about your style of discussion. Laurel too, tho to a lesser extent. I disagree with people on ilx a lot, and have since I got here. But when my experience of you is that you don't give what I'm saying a fair hearing, and then I see you attack something I say on a new thread, I'm much more inclined to brush you off than explain myself or engage. (Though even that clearly isn't true - see this thread where I'm obviously engaging in the critique, even though I think Laurel's comment, and the one you wanted to make, misrepresented what I was saying in order to make me look anti-feminist. Why? To score signaling points I guess.)

Jezebel is terrible and frequently offensive. I also don't think it's ever made me laugh? It was better with Mo.

That's fine. No law requires you to engage with me. xp

btw if you constantly find yourself in arguments on ilx because people "misunderstand what you say," it probably means you aren't expressing yourself very well (this applies to more than one poster on this thread)

which ones!?!??!?!

That could be. It's not my experience in 99% of my experiences on ILX, however, if you feel I'm not expressing myself very well, you may be comforted to know that I'm always trying to communicate better and more effectively. xp

hahahaha that applies to certain posters who no longer post as well

Sorry, got called to impromptu meeting.

Okay so Mordy, I have noticed you being off on women's ish topics lately, and it kind of built up and has changed how I feel about you, definitely. But partly because I didn't expect that from you before? So, new world, whatever.

But also in the context of rape jokes and feminism and the outcry about this thing, it is actually not about you? This thread, OR my anger--they are not about YOU. It's about how horrible rape is, and rape jokes are, and people who make them are, and that, ad infinitum. IN THAT CONTEXT, it would be really trust-building and -reinforcing if a thread full of men, and there are hardly any women anywhere in this whole discussion (I see that veg g threw down for a second yesterday), could be minimally sensitive about it? It's actually not enough just to agree that rape jokes are bad or whatever, that's the MINIMUM here.

btw if you constantly find yourself in arguments on ilx because people "misunderstand what you say," it probably means you aren't expressing yourself very well (this applies to more than one poster on this thread)

― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, July 12, 2012 3:43 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You're doing a phenomenal job yourself, chief.

it applies to all posters on ilx bar maybe 5, and tbh i think two of em quit

Bill Magill breaking out "chief" and just daring me to put up a Dane Cook YouTube.

tbh i don't blame the two of em that quit

this thread is a lot less funny than i was hoping it would be

it would be really trust-building and -reinforcing if a thread full of men, and there are hardly any women anywhere in this whole discussion (I see that veg g threw down for a second yesterday), could be minimally sensitive about it

whose being insensitive here...? apart from maybe frogbs

lol jjjusten OTM

I can continue to post old Rodney jokes if that will make anybody feel better

Please do!

heckler: hey Rodney! what do you do for a living?
Rodney: what do I do for a living, what do I do for a living... I get guys for your sister, okay?

funny!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AllhU-qRRbs

whose being insensitive here...? apart from maybe frogbs

aww, come on, who am I being insensitive to this time?

dude quit while you are well not ahead exactly

just quit

You need to take your own advice.

Bill Magill breaking out "chief" and just daring me to put up a Dane Cook YouTube.

― Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Thursday, July 12, 2012 3:53 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Killer post.

Bananas, apples, oranges, pears, watermelons, grapes, kiwis, mangos, pineapples

Wait hold up Mordy, what you actually said is "jezebel not at the top of my list of blogs who i'd trust with humor related advice".

I can see how you might mean "They're not funny so I wouldn't trust them with funny" but outside your head, you didn't call them unfunny, you called them humourless. You call a feminist site unfunny, people will go "yeah, so what?" - you call them humourless, that's a very different thing.

And I, who doesn't have a history with you (that I know of - nowadays I only notice ILxors when they've been around five years) thought that was what you were saying. And I tutted. Silently, but I tutted.

You don't read enough Jezebel then

jesus christ tosh really does ruin everything, doesn't he

he's a shitheel to be sure

I'm pretty sure I've been around longer than five years. I'm sorry I called Jezebel not trustworthy with humor related advice.

shakey pls to be posting more dangerfield

just wanted to say i appreciate laurel's contributions to this thread very much. this whole brouhaha bummed me out for most of yesterday and has left me feeling sensitive to things i would normally blow off. like i don't normally stan for jezebel at all, but hearing a women-focused publication dismissed for not being funny upthread made me feel shitty. frogbs' continued glibness after that "ugh everyone shut UP about PRIVILEGE" post yesterday made me feel shitty. folks using this as an excuse to go after WCC made me feel shitty.

WCC isn't your fucking mascot. This is twice now she's been mentioned in a thread she hasn't posted in.

the convo in the "posts v. much in character" thread was essentially an extension of this one.

big difference: that was a conversation + thread she was participating in

just wanted to say i appreciate laurel's contributions to this thread very much. this whole brouhaha bummed me out for most of yesterday and has left me feeling sensitive to things i would normally blow off. like i don't normally stan for jezebel at all, but hearing a women-focused publication dismissed for not being funny upthread made me feel shitty. frogbs' continued glibness after that "ugh everyone shut UP about PRIVILEGE" post yesterday made me feel shitty. folks using this as an excuse to go after WCC made me feel shitty.

― the bibles fake lol don't trust a book (reddening), Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:34 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If so much stuff posted on a goddamn internet message board, especially one about stand up comedy, makes you feel so "shitty", you may want to suck it up a little bit.

can everyone itt who's come here to beef with mordy or cheer on laurel just...I dunno...go start a mordy beef thread. go start a board where you all shout at each other and no one talks and it'll be awesome.

seriously there's no discussion being had here, everyone's just rehashing old beefs and it's fucking boring.

since this is a thread where ppl are getting their "here's a thing you do that sucks" on -- Whiney? This? Kinda thing?

itt a Workaholics fan schools people on what is funny

is grade school shit. I know it passes for hilarious on some ILM threads but you are too old for it now. I like a lot of music I'm sure you hate, but "you can't take what this guy says seriously - he likes Braid!" or w/e is something that it's time for you to outgrow. Also, clean your room, also, your mother and I have been talking and we think you should trim the beard, it may be the fashion but clean looks will never go out of style, love, Dad.

At this point I no longer care that I cannot verify the accuracy of the Rodney quotes I found on about.com, they may be our only hope.

workaholics is pretty unfunny tbh. not that liking it should invalidate anyone's opinions but it's terrible and if i ever said a kind word about it i regret it thoroughly

Outside of a very few things, Comedy Central has totally turned into BROTOWN USA.

reddening, I am truly sorry if I ruined your day, but if someone saying they don't find Jezebel to be funny makes you feel attacked, maybe you need to take a step back and look at some puppy pictures

braid slays

btw i didn't post what i did with the intention of beefing; to me, WCC represents someone who is able to articulate feminist concerns thoroughly and forcefully in a way that i can't, and that's why i'm sensitive to people bringing up beefs with her while she was in the middle of a good series of posts about feminist argument. but i understand the whole thing is fraught and complicated, fair enough.

A DOZEN ROSES IN THE CAR / AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU AREEEEEE

I'm not discussing ilx posters in this thread who are not participating in this thread, even though I would love to.

I saw two episodes of Workaholics last year and they made me laugh. I haven't watched it at all this season. I only threw it in my list of CC shows because it was better than Ugly Americans and Tosh.0 and regretted it as soon as I hit submit since I don't really watch it.

signed, a "Workaholics fan"

Can we talk now about why the hell Dave Chappelle doesn't just put together a new hour and set the standard again? I get that he doesn't want any spotlight, but he's not locked away in some remote cabin either. He's out there doing sets that, by all accounts, are as funny as he's ever done. CHAPPELLE 2012!!!

Neal Brennan said on his podcast that Chappelle said to him recently that he's found that he doesn't 'need' standup the way he used to. He still likes it, but the laughs and adoration doesn't feed him the way it did before. Something's definitely changed in him, I think?

I sure hope he gets his stuff fleshed out and tours properly, regardless. He was supposed to do a warmup show in Sac and cancelled, I was super bummed.

someone check the gearscor of Chappelle's WoW toon; then we'll know exactly how much we should hate Blizzard

i love workaholics. and yeah you guys should start a beef thread for each other if you feel like beefing.

I'm not gonna fault a guy for not needing to do what once drove him mad, but it's a shame his new material only shows up in clips and blips every now and then instead of a proper full-length set. I just miss him is all.

Me too.

There was a whole blowup at one of his Austin shows, everyone's all handwringing over whether he's still 'got it'...I'm all, I DON'T CARE JUST BRING ME MY DAMN CHAPELLE

http://www.theonion.com/articles/daniel-tosh-chuckles-through-own-violent-rape,28769/

Man I hope to one day reach the stellar quality of a Bill Magill post so I can drop the mic and mouth PEACE OUT on my way out the room.

if you guys dont cut it out i am going to email iatee and tell him that i am talking about how awesome the interstate highway system is in this thread

suggest van

That isn't a slam on iatee at all btw, I am just saying that I will use my power to annoy people to drag this thread down and I will take you all with me.

wouldn't it be funny if like, five guys bought houses in the suburbs right now? i mean, like, right now?

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/seinfeld/image/jerry-2.jpg

"What's the deal with interstate highways?"

are you saying jjj

that u would

drive

them away

http://www.theonion.com/articles/daniel-tosh-chuckles-through-own-violent-rape,28769/

― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Thursday, July 12, 2012 3:03 PM (1 hour ago)

I would never deign to make some dichotomous tree of acceptable rape humor (because for me thinking about rape OR about 'how humor works' – both exhausting, and kind of awful) but THIS IS FUCKING KILLING ME OH MAN

You know what guys I get very cross with insensitive rape humor but *I* love making rape jokes, myself, like a lot. And then if someone complains or is clearly uncomfortable (discomfort also funny to me), I can say, "I worked really hard with my therapist to be able to make jokes like that," which to me is the ultimate punchline. Maybe it's in the delivery. The delivery that makes other people more uncomfortable! This is part of a long series: "why I am hard to get close to."

This is part of a long series: "why I was expelled from the officeplace motivational seminar"

Of course I'm just doing this in small conversations at parties, bars, etc, with people who already know me – there's a context, and that context is I'm making an ass of myself and everyone else, privately.
ha xp

<3 Abbbbbs <3

^

I was thinking today of the very first time I went to a business conference (where my employer flew me there and everything) – I was 22, and I had stupider ideas about boundaries/professionalism/etc, meaning I had basically no ideas about those things. They had us start out with '2 truths and a lie,' with everyone sharing to everyone in the room (~30 older and less inane people) and I said:
• My parents had an ostrich farm
• I wasn't born with a sense of smell
and because I knew those are outrageous I chose an obvious lie
• I have touched a unicorn
But when they were asked to guess the lie NO ONE guessed the unicorn one. When I had to reveal the lie I said, "The lie was that I touched a unicorn. [pause] Only a virgin can touch a unicorn." And the reaction was some of the worst, most palpably awkward silence...god. I have learned my lesson about being more bland with strangers but I still feel like I could never be put in front of a business conference.

you are wasted on a business conference audience ffs

I was thinking 'virgins only' was common knowledge about unicorns but I guess it isn't.

hahaha

<3 abbs

[pause]

irl lol

thank u for making me love ilx again abbbottt

Hahaha. Love it. Some humorless coworkers!

Well not coworkers but colleagues in a sense...

that Onion piece is so fucking savage. fuckin' A.

"What's the deal with interstate highways?"

Hitler invented them. Lock thread.

I was thinking today of the very first time I went to a business conference (where my employer flew me there and everything) – I was 22, and I had stupider ideas about boundaries/professionalism/etc, meaning I had basically no ideas about those things. They had us start out with '2 truths and a lie,' with everyone sharing to everyone in the room (~30 older and less inane people) and I said:
• My parents had an ostrich farm
• I wasn't born with a sense of smell
and because I knew those are outrageous I chose an obvious lie
• I have touched a unicorn
But when they were asked to guess the lie NO ONE guessed the unicorn one. When I had to reveal the lie I said, "The lie was that I touched a unicorn. [pause] Only a virgin can touch a unicorn." And the reaction was some of the worst, most palpably awkward silence...god. I have learned my lesson about being more bland with strangers but I still feel like I could never be put in front of a business conference.

― Team Safeword (Abbbottt), Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:21 PM (1 hour ago)

In a recent-ish Nerdist podcast, Ana Gasteyer tells a great story about her husband who said something similarly outrageous ("I haven't washed my hair in 11 years") during the "introduce yourself" session of a business retreat. The joke went over about as well as Abbbottt's unicorn, but Gasteyer pointed out that this is the sort of perspective that differentiates a comedy-optimized brain from a business square.

since this is a thread where ppl are getting their "here's a thing you do that sucks" on -- Whiney? This? Kinda thing?

itt a Workaholics fan schools people on what is funny

is grade school shit. I know it passes for hilarious on some ILM threads but you are too old for it now. I like a lot of music I'm sure you hate, but "you can't take what this guy says seriously - he likes Braid!" or w/e is something that it's time for you to outgrow. Also, clean your room, also, your mother and I have been talking and we think you should trim the beard, it may be the fashion but clean looks will never go out of style, love, Dad.

― perry en concrète (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:45 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thanks for the advice but imma keep doing this thx

that Onion piece is so fucking savage. fuckin' A.

― perry en concrète (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, July 12, 2012 8:35 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i didnt find it all that funny, even if dude does deserve to be savagely mocked. also is there a huge difference between say him saying "if u don't find rape funny, U SHOULD BE RAPED" and "if u find rape funny, U SHOULD BE RAPED"?

ehh maybe there is. but i guess i dont like the underlying vibe

it is enormously mean and dark, and it hit me right, idk

"I worked really hard with my therapist to be able to make jokes like that,"

loooool abbs you do best

(except for hating on CCR)

ya

i usually like it when the onion goes dark

and im not offended by it or anything

but i didnt find it that funny is all

is there a huge difference between say him saying "if u don't find rape funny, U SHOULD BE RAPED" and "if u find rape funny, U SHOULD BE RAPED"?

The Onion piece didn't say he should be raped, though.

was kind of waiting for morbs to be more savage than the onion

The Onion piece didn't say he should be raped, though.

― emil.y, Thursday, July 12, 2012 10:18 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well it was saying it would be funny if he was

(specifically, it would be funny if he was and he was the same asshole about it... i know there's a diff)

thanks for the advice but imma keep doing this thx

― calum-y maybe (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, July 12, 2012 9:44 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark

that's a shame. like, really really a shame. aero's right, it's awful.

was kind of waiting for morbs to be more savage than the onion

― mookieproof, Thursday, July 12, 2012 10:19 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

jeez just because morbius has praised tosh for having an "unusually tight body for a comedian" doesn't mean he would rape him

thanks for the advice but imma keep doing this thx

― calum-y maybe (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, July 12, 2012 9:44 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark

that's a shame. like, really really a shame. aero's right, it's awful.
--straight up now tell me will I be a fucking lump forever? (some dude)

You're a fucking poison.

Undoing all of Abbot's good work

;_;

i thought this was entertaining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3nK2xzBD98&feature=related

You're a fucking poison.

― calum-y maybe (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, July 12, 2012 10:24 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

i said IT, the thing you do, is awful, not you, the person, which i like. not so much as a presence on ilx anymore, but still, as a person, in theory at least, since i haven't talked to you outside ilx in a while. hope all is going well with planning the wedding, man. i'm sorry you think being the most banned post in the history of this board is hilarious and awesome, wish we could've been better friends in a less zingy environment.

i don't know him that well. been watching his stuff. very hicksian. they had him on a show talking about tosh i saw a clip of.

thanks for the advice but imma keep doing this thx

I know I just feel obligated as a friend to tell you it looks about as cool as I'd look if I tried to make a rap record

hey, you guys, maybe take it over here:

if an ilx beef threatens to take over a perfectly innocent thread you can politely direct people here.

ha! i've been waiting to do that all day.

it was a boring day...

do I have to go to the beef thread 'cause I don't have actual beef w/Whiney I just wish he'd quit embarrassing himself with that particular trope

ditto

yes. now stop whining and quit yr pouting :)

k

i said IT, the thing you do, is awful, not you, the person, which i like.

"I didn't call you a bitch, I said you were ACTING like a bitch."

*taps foot*

Whiney they're waiting for you in the beef thread...

"I didn't call you a bitch, I said you were ACTING like a bitch."

― calum-y maybe (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, July 12, 2012 10:56 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark

you think you're getting a lecture from aero, just imagine if that's what i'd actually said to you

do you guys think this bit is funny? this is a test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdFJ-hFFdI8

do not watch if you are offended by offensive uh material or something.

I'm a bad lover, you kiddin? I know I'm a bad lover. The other day I put on my shorts I could hear the Fruit of the Womb guys giggling. My wife she had a mirror put in over our bed, says she likes to watch herself laugh.
http://morningcoffee.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/rodney_dangerfield032_sized.jpg

xp I fucking hate Stanhope.

so you would be a "no" on the is this funny question. got it.

i didn't think it was funny tbh. not in an 'i was offended by this and it's not funny' way, more in a 'this guy would maybe be more amusing if he worked on his delivery and material' kinda way.

Stanhope had some good little bits on Charlie Brooker's Screenwipe in the UK some years ago, but I've never been taken with this stand-up. He was fantastic in that episode of Louie though.

Stanhope was p gr8 on that one ep of Louie but his voice is annoying

I found it kinda funny. At least the 'on message' part. Also the Kool Aid thing made me laugh and I am a terrible person.

yeah kool aid made me laugh too.

and i liked his example of women falling for stuff like monogamy and rachel ray. i liked those two examples.

i have never been to a comedy club. apparently i am even more otm than i previously considered possible

i actually thought the stuff i saw of his on youtube was well written. i mean its obvious he DOES work on stuff. he memorizes a ton of shit. and he adds and subtracts stuff from routines as the years go by. i think he's smarter than a tosh. but having said that, i think i've probably watched enough to last me. i think his offensiveness is smarter than tosh's offensiveness. and that's why he seems so hicksian to me. i mean he's a total hicks dude.

yeah. something about it reminded me of kinnison, that kinda preaching to the choir where he's beating the audience over the head with the thing they've already laughed at. minus the screaming, obv.

yeah stanhope always comes off kinda smart and perceptive when he's writing or giving interviews, moreso than when he's actually onstage

i am a fan of the over the top premise that just keeps getting bigger and more out of hand. so, i guess i do appreciate the palin thing for that reason.

ya

i usually like it when the onion goes dark

and im not offended by it or anything

but i didnt find it that funny is all

― funny-skrillex-bee_132455836669.gif (s1ocki), Thursday, July 12, 2012 10:10 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

didnt think it was very funny either! it kind of "works" better that way anyway? i mean just as a like. "DO U SEE WHY THIS ISNT FUNNY DO U SEE"

Hicks and Kinison and Stanhope are some of least favorite comics, so it doesn't surprise me that if you like one you'll probably at least have an ear open for all three.