Should I go fishing or get a friend to hang around? Celebrated GAY Summer 2012

You waited too long.

So the awesome first-time hookup I had a couple weeks ago won't return calls or email. Does this ever NOT happen with gays?

btw he did email me back the first time, saying "hey I don't feel like dating but let's hang out and be FBs." Then he went to New Jersey, apparently, and fell silent.

I have some disturbing news - I like a Train song.

It's ok. I'm sure you're just going through a phase.

what do I bring to a gay housewarming in NJ? At minimum I need the name of a not-crazy-expensive wine that will gain me plaudits.

a Mark West pinot noir is about $10 and will have everyone thinking they're tasting dick.

btw Morbs I don't remember the title in any P-Funk lyric

I went w/ pudgy gay indie

love this thread title. anyone know how to fish? is there much to know?

Hüsker?

As for your first point: I sympathize because I did the same after three dates with the Croat.

i'm going here in a few weeks w/ my man (3 years):

http://boulderflycasters.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/stc_1417.jpg

lol hueg

btw Morbs I don't remember the title in any P-Funk lyric

Um, what are you talking about? You don't remember the George Clinton classic You Shouldn't-Nuf Gone Fishing?

hi gays/happy summer

just got back last night from a SF/big sur trip with bf. he lived in SF for a decade so i got to meet a bunch of his really close friends and ate a lot of delicious food and went camping for the first time ever(!) and went to these insane baths overlooking the coast

we've only been "official" for ~four months but this feels really special, to me

(/corn)

we saw the ACT/UP doc which was improbably playing at 11am on a tuesday (wtf frameline), i recommend (and bring tissues)

xoxo, sweetie

so much coffee

You Shouldn't-Nuf Gone Fishing

Think that's Get Yo Ass In The Water And Swim Like Me.

I like fishing and I like friends but somehow this thread title doesn't sit right with me.

http://cdn.wg.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/not-my-jam.gif

"get a friend to hang around" is my goal like %60 of the time

sorry, i believe that should be 60%

that woman has a collar bone

i encourage the posting of jane kerkovich .gifs on this and all threads

i'm nursing a brutal crush right now. pretty sure it's a dead end. please send help.

This is your periodic reminder of the existence of Rula Lenska.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itcYNvoxe0k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWBFhxHps2E

Hi guys! Last night I hung out with Tabes and his bf and their friend and we went to a very crowded queer party. I left the place with a cute 19-year old and made out and swapped bjs with him on the not-as-secluded-as-we-thought roof of a garage while we got covered in mud and his sister periodically interrupted to call him a slut. I lost my socks!

:D

apart from the mud

OMG REV

WOAH REV YOU WHORE

CONGRATULATIONS

jeez Rev, that's what happens when you hang around with that sprite, honey.

somehow this thread title doesn't sit right with me.

Give props to yr Twin Cities gay punk heritage!

should I go fisting or get a hung friend to hang around?

Maybe ya shoulda gotten a Rip Taylor tat?

woooow rev

reeeeeeeeeeev!!!!1

Yay rev! That sounds fun! Garage roof seems precarious and ballsy.

I really have to thank Tabes' bf, who insisted I stick around until I could hook up.

Cool, though if I were you the sister woulda freaked me out a bit. Course, if I were him, the sister woulda freaked me out even more...

top 5 celebrity look dopplegangers seen at pride 2k12:

5. gay al doyle
4. gay danny brown
3. white, lesbian lil wayne
2. lesbian russell westbrook
1. gay riff raff

top 3 shirts seen at pride 2k12:

3. CALL ME MAYBE?!
2. I'M SO GAY I SHIT RAINBOWS
1. ALL YOU CAN EAT *rainbow arrow pointing at woman's crotch*

top song heard from a float at pride 2k12:

"save a horse, ride a cowboy"

best thing caught from a float at pride 2k12:

buy one, get one free card at chipotle

three most offensive floats seen at pride 2k12:

3. chicago cubs
2. chase bank
1. bank of america

Things I was told at pride by drunk strangers:

1. Love your ink
2. Love your ink
3. You've got a cute nose
4. Love your ink
5. Love your ink

Thirteen years after coming out I still haven't attended a single pride event. I did hook up with a bloke on OKCupid last night though.

In what capacity do you have to be at pride to have attended it? Meaning, I've been in Toronto as its happening, seen bits of parades and even once got a porn star's autograph while shopping on Church St, but I still never really feel like I've BEEN to Pride in an actual participating kinda way.

You need to get head and muddy/

You need to make yourself available and receptive to an astonishing amount of advertising.

That happens to be your particular abnormality.

boycotted today

however YESTERDAY I went to my friend's condo housewarming in my native NJ territory, and aside from the residing couple talked mostly with friend's 82-year-old retired Irish cop dad and cartoonist niece who just graduated middle school.

apart from the mud

― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:40 AM Bookmark

no, the mud made it way hotter

Cool, though if I were you the sister woulda freaked me out a bit. Course, if I were him, the sister woulda freaked me out even more...

― to welcome jer.fairall, pie is served. (jer.fairall), Sunday, June 24, 2012 6:24 PM Bookmark

hahaha no, the sister was gay as fuck too and very obviously just giving her bro a hard time. it was like, just a couple times over the course of the session where it was like.... *mysterious voice* "SLUT!" *both of us shove our penises back into our pants, look around like prairie dogs for second, then laugh and go right back at it*

i kind of want to meet white lesbian lil wayne

I kind of want to hear a white lesbian Lil Wayne.

kreayshawn, i presume

went to the other side's last hurrah last night, it was jam-packed and bittersweet

also some guy asked my bf if he wanted any molly and then another guy (or the same guy?) tried to rub his stomach at the bar

good golly

nev heard "molly" before, it's true.

had to look it up, I admit.

I saw it in a novel or maybe heard it in a Mountain Goats song.

How far we've traveled:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molly_house

In related news, Google Translate knows the French word for "twinks" ("minets").

ha! i think i knew that, but only because of cadinot's les minets sauvages

I have a relevant molly story involving someone we know but idk if he'd want me to spill it, but anyway molly is a blast!

Which drugs should I try before I die? Which aren't worth it? Would take this to Yahoo! Answers, but I trust you guys more.

no, the mud made it way hotter

OTM. Sounds great, Rev!

Fuck a fucking Pride IMO. My apartment overlooks on the parade route and I failed to escape town this year, so I sought refuge in a friend's apartment in Logan Square. She and her friends wanted to go, but they wouldn't go without me, so I felt like a spoilsport.

Now that that shitful weekend is done with, it's only 6 months till the emotional devastation of Xmas. Just realized yesterday that my two most hated times of year are 1/2 a year apart almost to the very day.

What are your two favorite times of the year?

Fall and winter.

how long has the term "molly" been around for? i feel like i'm hearing it so much more in the past few months. it's just not as good as "mandy".

"mandy" is much better but I remember everyone being really into molly when I was like 13 and into Phish tapetrading so at least 10 years

i think the madonna kerfuffle from a month or two back was the first i ever heard the word 'molly' but i am a square so

I've heard it at least a few years back, certainly seems to have picked up in popularity lately

but let Jackie Chain tell it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSl2ezoyPuo

rev, what have you been listening to lately?

Is "Molly" as common a term as Cathy and Tina? Are Cathy and Tina pretty much universally understood?

Bath salts = Bethany

Benzadrine = Bernice?

never heard cathy, i know about tina

christina aguilera is the only celebrity whose name is slang for two separate class a drugs, right?

is that where tina came from? huh

I guess I never thought about it.... I figured it was called Tina b/c of the sounds in "methamphetamine." Or b/c "crystal" could be short for Christina. Is it really about Christina Aguilera??

Christina = Xtina = X

(and for the other, "you know we keep that white girl - CHRISTINA AGUILERA!")

tbh most established drugs slang sounds awfully cheesy, I can't imagine actually saying "charlie" for instance. make your own up.

I wonder if "Let's Have a Kiki" is a satire of this very thing.

Gay culture continues its contraction.

Frankly I don't see this as a negative

Also Rich Juzwiak's new and sometimes uncomfortably personal (but entirely great) new column for Gawker seems to be causing quite a stir

http://m.gawker.com/5921415/pride-and-shame-to-pee-on-me-or-not-to-pee-on-me

haha yeah was gonna post that earlier. i really liked the article

The comparison of a hickey to kaposi's sarcoma was jaw-droppingly "oh no she didn't"

that's how you know "gay culture" has ended

the back-and-forth in the comments between between rich + "strangeboy" is a very riveting read as well

Am I dumb as hell or are the comments impossible to navigate?

is this a trick question?

Let's get a room.

From a source that wishes to remain anonymous:

morbs and jesse sitting in a tree a-r-g-u-i-n-g

yeah i still don't get the gawker commenting system

oh. http://www.vice.com/read/the-vice-guide-to-being-gay?Contentpage=-1

i like how the "nightlife is dying" articles continue to ...dance around the fact that no one cares about gay clubs' same old shitty djs playing same old 80s/90s sounds

Wicca and Other Spiritual Nonsense
I'm not sure why, I think it might be something to do with the popularity of Buffy and The Craft with gays of a certain age, but gay dudes are heavily into hippie bullshit. If someone asks you what star sign you are or talks about Reiki or, and ESPECIALLY, mentions the term "radical faerie," it doesn't matter how hot he is: run.

I wonder if I've truly learned this lesson.

i like how the "nightlife is dying" articles continue to ...dance around the fact that no one cares about gay clubs' same old shitty djs playing same old 80s/90s sounds

Boy, you trippin. With the exception of seeing a really drunk Man Parrish DJ at the Cock, I have yet to find a gay club that plays the same old 80s/90s sounds; everywhere I've ever gone is horrible remixes of Katy/Ke$ha/Gaga

those

...remixes

...DAMN IT PHONE those remixes can usually still boil down to some late 90s formula

oh hey, vice mag says gay guys think vaginas are gross, AMIRITE haha file a stainless steel buttplug into a spike and fuck me to death with it, WOW EDGY

still can't believe that vice came from my city. worst thing to ever emerge from montreal, perhaps.

all I hear at my shitty gay clubs are Tiesto and Guetta remixes.

ugh ugh ugh (xp) (maybe?)

this sounds twee but lately i need hugs more than all the steel spike buttplugs in the world, that's not counting hatehugs.

...DAMN IT PHONE those remixes can usually still boil down to some late 90s formula

Oh totally, but as far as I'm concerned the 90's were over by 1996

Like in my fantasy gay clubs in the 80's/90's played like Gwen Guthrie and Masters at Work remixes and "Fascinated" by Company B

Pretty sure they were playing Sugar Ray iirc.

and plenty of Jody Watley

xpost

Nah, in the '90s it was just all Hector Hex instead of Guetta.

xp you just reminded me that I found a Larger Than Life LP for $1 a few months ago

so i am back in Oakland. i had to come back for a family obligation. Theo is still travelling, maybe for another month.

and i fucking hate everything.

except him.

(also hey rev, it was fun to hang out with you, we had the awesomest time in seattle).

yeah, y'all were awesome. love you motherfuckers.

also here is a pic of us cleaning up (drinking mimosas, really) the day after that epic party where rev got all mudslutty.

https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/579849_464925263535795_1012123916_n.jpg

Oh, did anyone ever see my hat? I tried to role through there like three times but the gate was locked.

roll through*

it should be in the 'butch queen' pile. friend "butch queen" on facebook and they'll help ya out.

ah, ok. thanks! I feel like this should be their anthem http://soundcloud.com/feelingseverywhere/ynfynyt-scroll-butch-queen

btw, KJB, I'm way behind on everything but obsessed with this at the moment

http://soundcloud.com/andygensler/01-stimela-by-wynter-gordon

my boy leaves for a month on monday :/

(sorry we couldn't cross paths in the bay, t)

hey jo3, next time!!

also, commence commiseration over missing our boyfriends.

(the texting is already out of control, it makes it better in one way and worse in another).

If we can wait until Tuesday, I can join in the commiseration party. The boy is off to New York until mid-August and leaving me with his cat to take care of.

*sigh* WHY MUST WE HAVE SUCH WANDERERS.

what's really rad though is that our time together travelling for the past month was so amazing that we're more...uh..."committed" to each other than ever. so, hey, silver linings. just wish i was still travelling, oakland is depressing the shit out of me.

i can't even text him, he's going to south america

feeling you on the traveling thing. our week in SF was the longest amount of time we've spent together, and we were pretty much never separated the whole time. felt really close to him by the end of trip.

yeah... i mean we spend a lot of time together, like we've done 6 or 7 days straight, but 26 days? it was intense and really affirmed things, in the good way.

oh wow so at this event my friend put together and i djed at, this dude cruised me in the bathroom, then came to the afterparty and was puffing his chest out and acting all aggy toward everyone.

Did you throw him from the bridge?

Also where the fuck did surm and plax go? Who else have we lost?

So Anderson Cooper comes out and I'm like eh, sure.

Frank Ocean comes out and I'm like wow!

Clearly I live in a different world than most people.

Lots of discussion about this over here - Frank Ocean - Channel Orange (2012) - Jer.

I'm happy about both.

Tho Frank's case is kinda "post-gay," no?

not sure Ocean "came out" though.

Yeah, amid all the "comes out" headlines, this seems the far more accurate one:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2012/07/rb-singer-frank-ocean-reveals-first-love-was-a-man/

Sometimes I wonder if the term "gay" will be regarded like the term "autistic," which all parents of children with the condition reject in favor of "[blank] with autism."

"gay with autism"?

Rusty Foster ‏@rustyk5
I think the idea that Frank Ocean and Anderson Cooper could hook up is making me gay.

had a bro-down w/ J0rdan @ White Sox game. He made no superfluous age cracks, as I have a white beard and limp.

hullo

this is corey, still alive

Hi corey. New here, or jut before my time?

not new, just been away for a bit. my bf and i are about to go to some july 4th thing at his boss's lake house in mi.

hi cloudy corey!

hi corey!

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/68/1214287174_1.jpg

I may take Eric's advice and pay $6 to watch Tatum strip to "Pony" again.

COCO RAY RAY!!!! I smooch you! \(^o^)/

Your new screen name is wonderful.

Aw thanks

that was directed at monsieur clouds

corey! we missed you!

xp I know I was jus fuckin witchoo

Guys I don't usually boast but I concocted a tweet abt SI publishing the discovery of the Tiegs bosom particle and NO ONE RETWEETED it and I feel miffed. It had a Tiegs centerfold attached and everything :-(

i didn't see it but fav/RT

My dad and I are fine-dining at this super fancy (and also v gay) place in Rehoboth and next to us is this lovely lesbian couple celebrating their 1yr anniversary and the one has bleached-blonde braids pulled back in a short high-pony with like 5 or 7 dangling on the left side of her face and it is *e x q u i s i t e*

Plus I'm about 80% sure Suze Orman walked by the window we were seated next to

no one looks like Suze

cept most of my old gym teachers

aw rehoboth is so nice

phillip and i shared 4 bottles of rosé between us, which i spent the better (or worst) part of the night and this morning vomiting up, along with pretty much everything else. buh.

oof

i'm a little woozy myself from the past two days :/

i stuck with beer yesterday, so i feel all right-- water water water, my friends. it is the best cure.

so did i. not enough water til afterwards tho. (and a regrettable carls jr. trip)

carl's jr. is always regrettable after, and always delicious while consuming. plus in SF, they accept food stamps for hot food!!

the lesbian wedding i attended in DUMBO on sunday was completely inaudible due to passing trains, with both brides in disco-fantastic attire (sleeveless violet jumpsuit; gold metallic backless halter dress). happily they repeated their vows at the reception after several hours of open bar.

water and early bedtime after afternoon partying helps too

yep

Really wish I could stop reading "fisting" every time I see the thread title.

why would you stop

Cause that'd fall more under the category of the (too infrequently updated) TMI thread!

thanks for reminding me!

djing for an event by The Mayor's Office of GLBT Affairs tomorrow and totally don't know where to draw the line on track selection re: raw homo tracks but not too offensive for a gov't event or whatevers

also drinking lots of water, tho I don't think I've had a drink since Wednesday. CUZ IT WAS 100+ FUCKING DEGREES IN CHICAGO AGAIN TODAY.

are you still in chicago morbs?

who is fauxmarc? i might have to leave ilx again.

Because of a phony marc?

i have little patience for anyone who would even care about towing a line at some back-patting mayoral event. also, little patience for anyone who would even consent to have anything to do with such an event in the first place.

yeah please leave ilx again

schmoozy political events are fine, i'd totally dj any. play the rawest homo tracks you want obv fauxmarc!

whitehouse - wriggle like a fucking eel

^banger

Play the amerie amerie amerie song by zebracats

corey, i forgot all aboutcha! I left Chicago around noon today. As the weather had just become bearable I was required to leave.

The gayest thing I did was visit The Leather Archives & Museum.

was j0rdan a gentleman?

reasonably so! We didn't have time to set a rendezvous point at the ballpark and I found him anyway. WDYLL pays off.

morbs was very nice & made me contemplate how to get around w/o use of a cell phone

lex, you disliking me makes me want to stay even more, just to spite you.

anyway, i hope whoever that person is did play some raw homo shit,

because if you have to deal with the enemy, at least deal on yr own terms.

shitting on someone for merely dj-ing some mayoral event is pretty dickish and, uh, i don't know, maybe even out-of-touch.

i don't know where fauxmarc lives but some mayors are actually good people. maybe this one isn't tho, i don't know. anyway it's just a thing.

dick-ish = yes.

out of touch = i can choose what i approve and disapprove of, and if having a hard line about something is out of touch, then so be it.

camming w/ my boyfriend who lives 15 mins away from me but is stuck at home bcuz his mom & sister are in town was equally one of the hottest & saddest things i've ever done in my life

yowza

sorry you've gone, morbs -- there'll be other times i'm sure. i'm well overdue for an nyc visit anyway.

This almost makes me like superheros.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBkAi-giu-g

i think we all know how i feel about suze orman

i certainly do <3

This whole thread feels like there are dozens of secret hidden posts.

how so?

Some of the responses have been so tardy I forget the posts that inspired them (i.e. fauxmarc vs. tabes).

eh whatever, i'm a hardlining asshole, and i know it. i still like you all, even fauxmarc and lex.

also i'm drunk, and because of the netflix thread, just watched the famous "coming out" episodes of Dawson's Creek. um. okay, just going to put it here:

those two episodes *made* me come out to my parents for the first (out of three) times, because i taped them when they originally went on air, spring of 99.
i taped that show every week, for the first three seasons.
(right? they knew i was a fag already, probably).
anyway, my mom didn't give much thought to it until she saw me watching these two episodes repeatedly, later that summer.
then this conversation happened that was longer, but was essentially the same as the one that Jack has with the dad in the second episode, with me being all, "ASK ME WELL I AM GAY FUCK YOU," and them being all "YOU'RE OUR ONLY CHILD YOU ARE NOT GAY YOU TERRIBLE BEAST WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM."
my mother erased those moments, dad never did, which explains his reactions to the second (and third-final) comings-out.

anyway. i've been having feelings recently. summer. i fucking hate summer.

^end

i don't like it that much either to be honest but i have to say that i have been enjoying wearing my tiny bathing suit this summer!!! ... :/

i just went to my mom's wedding this weekend back home (well, not home, but back in ottawa, i guess) which was sweet but also strange and now i'm back home with the boy's cat and life is ok, i think? i dunno.

that sounds like a nice life! do you like your mother's husband?

my mom once married a man that was a conundrum. he introduced me to my favorite band, but he was also very complicated.

surm i love you. tomorrow i am going walking in the woods with a good friend. i am actually happy, just feeling all sorts of feelings.

<3 ride em out

Far from the point of the story/conversational thread, I know, but what band?

the breeders

that was so personal i feel like

mostly felt like shit today but skyped with bf after work and that cheered me up

surm have you listened to the Pod demos? they are magic i will fb them to you.

i have little patience for anyone who would even care about towing a line at some back-patting mayoral event. also, little patience for anyone who would even consent to have anything to do with such an event in the first place.

lol this person's awesome

p.s. this "back-patting mayoral event" was glbt liason's benefit for youth pride groups that raised a few thousand dollars but continue fighting that power anyway

Surm you never told me if you loved Outrageous Fortune

Why raise money when you can raise hell? (wink, et al)

that Kerr Smith was a mighty fine two-dimensional babe on DC. Michelle Williams was still my favorite tho.

God, weren't you about 10 when that episode aired, tabes? These days, I feel so rampagingly inadequate for not having come out until I was 19.

not sure if i've heard the demos tabes! FB them to me. that is my favorite rock album of all time.

stevie i'm sorry i keep meaning to tweet back i have not even heard of outrageous fortune!!!!

HOLY SHIT SURM OMG OMG find it. Watch it. I would be srsly stunned if it didn't wind up in your all time top 10.

Like, just the way Bette Midler walks in that movie would be enough to make you squeal.

And her outfit! She looks like a giant orange triangle with legs and hair the size of Texas.

I've never seen that, but would love a tape loop of surm squealing at it.

Oh, the MOVIE Outrageous Fortune!

And then I thought you were talking about this for some reason:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkZ43zj01b0

post-Down & Out in Beverly Hills, I have kept my distance from Bodacious Bette.

If you haven't seen she, Goldie Hawn and Diane Keaton plunging dozens of stories to their near-death in a window-washers' scaffolding, it's your loss.

Let me help you with that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kflvHGnIkoA

that is an all time DON'T CLICK freeze frame.

ikr

http://www.filmreference.com/images/sjff_03_img1228.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ohdgnvK3bM

Maybe this got posted on some ILM thread somewhere already, but:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOfRtSW4dYE

If you haven't seen she, Goldie Hawn and Diane Keaton plunging dozens of stories to their near-death in a window-washers' scaffolding, it's your loss.

― frank o'sin (Eric H.), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 18:36 (52 minutes ago) Permalink

as stevie knows, The First Wives Club is my favorite movie of all time

thx for that tip stevo!

Yes and thanks to you it's now one of mine. I've for real gotten into the habit of tapping my cheek and saying "affection" as a greeting.

ahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

lol didn't u watch soapdish recently

Yes! I got it from work a year ago. It's the best.

phillip and i signed the lease to our new apartment today :D

i was 14 when the episode aired. 8th grade.

that's rad about the apartment!

and omg, theo is on his way home right now. soon enough.

also, i am hungover. dawson's creek, whiskey, and steel reserve are not a good combo.

wtg cloudy!

Thought you were closer to 10 years younger than me, tabes. I'm sure I knew when I was 14, and had no real reason to wait much beyond that, but oh well.

alas, eric, i turn 28 in october.

wait really? i thought you were like a few years younger than me?

u r all chillun.

i graduated lolcollege a little late, and...yeah, i dunno. definitely born in 1984.

ah, that was a year. I went to see the Violent Femmes at Danceteria.

lol.

People coming out at such young ages amazes me. It took me until I was about 20 to admit to myself that I wasn't completely straight, let alone to anyone else, which still took a couple years after that.

i think my parents knew when i would wear a red tshirt on my head and pretend i was the little mermaid when i was 7

omg

LOL I used to wear t-shirt wigs as a boy too! I should start up again and call it an homage to Little Edie.

People coming out at such young ages amazes me. It took me until I was about 20 to admit to myself that I wasn't completely straight, let alone to anyone else, which still took a couple years after that.

― chain the color of am0n (The Reverend), Tuesday, July 10, 2012 5:05 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Realized on some level: 17/18
Admitted to myself: Tentatively at 18 and then again at 21
Came out: 21, in the span of two weeks.

So. I'm with you, Rev. Mind you, by the time I came out two my 14 year old sister she had at least two (male) classmates who were already out, so...

I am of "the new dire homonormativity," but I love Bruce's viewpoint anyway.

http://www.vice.com/read/wondering-gays-misguided

I mean, since sex isn't part of the equation, I can only presume I've cultivated a gay identity in an effort to cultivate something, anything interesting within my white bread self, right?

When I was born John Lennon's "Whatever Gets You Through the Night," in neat portent, was #1.

*in a neat portent

I can only hope the Guide was being ironic in the latter instance, or when it declared, "The majority of gays have incredibly bad taste." ... in general, I think it’s probably more to the point that everyone has bad taste these days, with a few notable exceptions.

sure everyone has bad taste but in my neck of the woods at least, the majority of gays definitely have worse taste. it's like bad taste being funnelled/focused through the smaller population's feedback loop of trending

Probably Bruce's best "Wondering" so far, yeah xp

The New Dire Heteronormativity: GAY Winter 2012

Almost all of it is very OTM, but then ...

It’s a typically ageist, sophomoric attitude that suggests gays are only interested in sex with a simulacrum of themselves, that their gay elders couldn’t possibly have anything to offer in the way of experience, wisdom, or perspective, and that intergenerational sex is something akin to certain styles of torture. Hopefully my upcoming film Gerontophilia will help to dispel this tiresome partisanship.

Hopefully it does, BLaB, because pretty much every movie of yours I've seen up until this point (and regardless of level of quality otherwise) has pretty much reinforced the hotness as "not old, not fat, not particularly femme" archetype.

well, he's getting older.

(I hesitate to call it a movement anymore, considering how deeply entrenched it now seems to be in its assimilationist agenda)

Yeah, but it's been this way for 40 years, national politics and the passing of generations has just given it a political sheen, and the assimilation is now with the Boring Str8s rather than the Big Gay Ken Dolls. Or as Harvey Milk's friend said to him of mid '70s SF leathermen, "If they want to be liberate themselves, why do they all look alike?"

(Addressed in an earlier column: http://www.vice.com/read/wondering-gays-are-like-snowflakes)

I don't know what this Gerontophilia will be like, but it sounds like BLaB has a change of pace coming. Just in time for my dotage.

gold, btw:

“I’ve often thought about having sex with a dude, but then I meet someone like you”

Yeah, I LOL'd at that one.

I really don't think I'm a Kinsey 6. I wish it wasn't too late to start muching carpet, wimmins like me so much more than mens.

muNching, but u knew that.

no, I figured you meant mulching

Oh god there's an expiry date?

Sooner or later, everyone switches to hard wood.

I would only mulch if she asked for it.

This had BETTER be better than Harold and Maude:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bruce-labruces-gerontophilia-shoot-summer-canada-327671

Oh jeez, Eric, I forgot to nominate No Skin Off My Ass for best of the '90s.

Wow, he's only 48. Actually figured he was a little older.

Carpet munching overrated (by men)

no, that's me

xp

they’re boring, unadventurous, and parochial queens who think vaginas smell like fish.

wait, they DON'T? That's theoretically my favorite thing about them.

His columns (Blab for Exclaim!, Feelings for Eye) were always fantastic, too

I like sushi as much as the next guy, but ...

Now I'm thinking about seasoning a vagina

Oh, sorry to presumptively upgrade from 'lurker' to 'active' on this thread. I am computer-bound this month in a place that is not home

you're reminding us of the time you looked through the wrong end of a camera finder

New meaning to the word artichoke.

idgi @ alfred

hi owen

i liked that BLaB article but then i was mildly amused/mildly eye-rolly about the original piece

Oh, if it smells like sushi, forget it. I'm holding out for a nice piece of flounder.

I am surprised BLaB has never staged a sex scene to "Can Your Pussy Do the Dog?" Or has he?

or George Clinton's "Do Fries Go With That Shake?"

really craving sushi now

it's funny seeing a few gay "guides" in str8 publications emphasise that str8 men aren't seducible etc, it's like oh ok if u say so lol

the new generation of gay dudes is far less skilled at flirting than the new generation of straight ones.

Gentrification kills creativity.

Bruce's seminal article on injaculation, v influential

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/cum-v8n5

*NSFW

but John Cheever was still getting blown and writing stories into his seventies

sorry to presumptively upgrade from 'lurker' to 'active' on this thread

You should only apologize for presumptively downgrading from "active" to "lurker."

when i see the thread title i start singing carly simon i think

you probably think this thread is about you!

how much research led you to that conclusion, Alfred?

Flirting is just not cost-effective for me. Gimme gimme gimme my man after midnight.*

*know this principally from the Leather Nun cover

ahahahahahaxp

surm, do u know where the thread title is from?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtCL1xq6hNU

how much research led you to that conclusion, Alfred

honey I've got years of post-doctoral research backing me up

injaculation! who knew?!

So many MN-based musical acts I'm so not into.

There'll always be:

Prince &
Jam &
Lewis &
Owl City

no i didn't know that morbzu!

hinjaculation! who knew?!

Who knew it would hurt like hell to piss later?!

btw the Leather Archives & Museum in Chicago has one section devoted to the growth of the Bear movement out of the S&M/Leather scene, and the title on the wall is "From Sir to Grrrr."

They also have a nice library I could've browsed for hours.

could you get an interlibrary loan

lol @ perineum is like Ontario: Yours to Discover.

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/89/220866771_08fa474e61.jpg

hi owen

loved that bruce article

def want to check out the leather archives when i'm in chicago

morbs i own (and love) that leather nun 12" in case i lost any cred in your eyes with the ABBA poll ;)

never! :D

I feel like such an awful queer for not having seen "No Skin" yet, esp after having had a New Queer Cinema phase

I pretty much prefer Araki to BLaB, even tho Gregg had a rather uninspired run in the mid to late '90s.

speaking of queer filmmakers, Morbs, do you like Gael Morel's work? He's the cutie gay protag of Techiné's Wild Reeds; now a writer-director. I watched Full Speed last night, starring Stéphane Rideau (yum) and Elodie Bbouchez: a muddled take on WR material.

Most of the Araki movies I've seen are "better" than every BLaB, but I much prefer the splatter-paint politicking in the latter's.

i haven't seen 'the living end' but the only araki i've seen and liked is 'mysterious skin'

Actually, no, both Splendor and Smiley Face are definitely worse than Otto.

I would agree that the only Araki film (that I've seen) as good as The Raspberry Reich in the last 15+ years is Mysterious Skin.

I'm sure the only Morel-directed film I've seen is The Clan aka 3 Dancing Slaves, which is just OK. This Deneuve vehicle looks intriguing, especially since I thought NYC arthouses released everything she's in, but apparently not!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0922354/

What's the best REAL (forlacknof a better word) Araki film to watch to see if I like him? Love love love MYSTERIOUS SKIN but I always figured it was anomalous (based on a book, seems more grounded/plot-centric than his 90s stuff). Have KABOOM high up in my rental queue right now.

Never seen any LaBruce, but I edited a piece on hum for PopMatters last year and it all sounds pretty yucky.

Also, hey Owen!

The Living End is okay. He's written some of the worst dialogue ever said aloud by hapless hunks.

my fave Araki film -- micro budget, louche teenagers -- is Totally F***ed Up.

I hear Kaboom! is really embarrassing but have not seen. Didn't he make a movie based on Mark Beyer's "Amy & Jordan" strips?

a friend once said of araki that "his films resist any kind of bourgeois closure" which i feel like is just a nice way to say "he doesn't really know how to write a screenplay"?

never heard that and don't know the Beyer comic, but apparently ppl see connections in The Doom Generation (which I loathed):

http://wondersinthedark.wordpress.com/2012/04/07/were-depressed-mark-beyers-amy-and-jordan-and-gregg-arakis-the-doom-generation-on-page-and-screen/

xp

a few points:

- "If city gays hang out only with other gays, it usually means they’re boring, unadventurous, and parochial queens who think vaginas smell like fish. I have an announcement for these bitches: You’re basic." THIS IS SO OTM IT HURTS ME.

- Other than Mysterious Skin, Araki has made a lot of films that are edgy and interesting if you're a rebellious punk/gay teenager. (I remember watching TFU and The Doom Generation around the same time that the 'coming out' episode of Dawson's Creek was on). In other words, most of his films are fucking garbage.

- I don't understand this notion of the "new dire homo-normativity." Explain?

- I have wanted to watch Morel's films for a while. Worth it?

BLaB wrote about my new screenname. I just adopted it as my own because, let's be honest. :)

I presume he's talking about gays who blend, pass, or are otherwise non- (and hence, anti-) radical.

I don't think I could hang out only with other gays if I tried, esp since most of you who were here have left me. #abandonmentisssues

oh so the New Dire Homonormativity is the reason i stopped going to gay bars where people my own age assemble? eugh.

https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/331365_10150399108060797_476597324_o.jpg

That doesn't look like what I was picturing from the NDH.

lol the guy in the middle, my favorite

that's what it looks like to me. but yknow, i'm weird.

tabes, weren't you planning to travel our way in July? Anyone else,there are arty "queer interventions" going on this month, including one w/ mirrored masks & video at my friend's DJ night in W'burg this Saturday:

http://onlocation.dirtylooksnyc.org/

also, this is a chance to see Loads at the old Adonis Theatre! :o

haha, no, that does not look like homonormativity to me, bless you table. not enough hollister gear or armani exchange french-cut briefs iirc.

Yeah, I was thinking more like polos and skinny jeans and promise rings.

is that in LA? think i've seen some of the ppl in that photo around these parts

tbh one of the reasons i was really sad about the other side closing was that it's one of the few queer spaces in LA where older and younger gays coexist peacefully

iirc the new dire homonormativity is a gay porn tumblr of airbrushed teenflesh gifs run through instagram filters

i can't. i refuse to get instagram. i really don't ever want it. please don't make me

Tho it would be kinda fun to live in a mindset that regards that crew as hopelessly normative.

just took a look at that dirty looks map - the screening of the anti-'cruising' doc and 'sodom' is an inspired curatorial choice ('sodom' rules btw)

i think that my knowledge of homonormativity is incredibly skewed. even the 'norms' in SF bars i occasionally go to do not wear A/X, Hollister, or any of that stuff.

to me, the new dire homonormativity is more young gay men who are obsessed with avant-garde fashion, pop music, sex, and nothing else. two of the people in that photo above have told me, "You think too much." which might be true, but christ, my knowledge and love of partying is pretty well-known. i just don't do it (or see the point in doing it) in the same way as most other fags.

a gay porn tumblr of airbrushed teenflesh gifs run through instagram filters

Hello, http://fyeahhipsterboys.tumblr.com/

I need to clean out my account one of these days.

to me, the new dire homonormativity is more young gay men who are obsessed with avant-garde fashion, pop music, sex, and nothing else. two of the people in that photo above have told me, "You think too much.]

also known as the old dire heteronormativity

Alas, I was not here when Sodom ran.

Showing William E. Jones' Tearoom at Julius' is a pretty wild idea. Some of the patrons may be in the film!

I don't doubt "normativity" means different things to different places, but I'm mostly speculating based on the context BLaB is covering/railing against.

Which, since it's Vice, maybe I'm wrong.

i tend to interpret the NDH as like "let's do our best to look acceptable for the GLAAD/HRC crowd" kind of stuff

*pre-emptively nails down lid on can of worms*

xxxxxxp

yeah, if that's the new homo-normativity, then i might not even be gay anymore. because compared to those folks, i look so buttoned up and bland it's not even funny. ah well.

it was nice being queer while it lasted. hard to keep up with the constantly-shifting goalposts of what is sufficiently outside-society's-approval.

guys, it hurts my fingers and brain trying to spell "normativity"

I think he's pinpointing post-clubgoing people who want to get married, shop out of catalogs, die in Obamney's next war, and say "SEE, we are JUST like you are."

I bought a raincoat from an LL Bean catalog two years ago.

Norma-tivity

http://img2.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/d/z/dz1vh6iec5cgv16g.jpg

No one wants to die in the next war. They want to kill in the next war. Duh.

norma rae-tivity

http://thebestpictureproject.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/norma-rae1.jpg

normaboobsativity

normativity is probably the most annoying word in the english language

add homo and you're really fucked

They will want to kill because they will have gotten married.

I was not pigeonholing catalogs/marriage as inherently bad. Esp if we bring back mail-order husbands.

Read that as "no more boobs ativity"

add homo and you're really fucked

I wish!

And I just unbookmarked Posts Very Much In Character today again.

i just updated my fbook status to that normativity quote, ramz. hope that's okay. it's just so brilliant that i had to do it.

Let's just say I'm proud of y'all for making the summer gay thread livelier in two days than the spring thread in two months.

Was going to say something about how we doubled the post count of this 3-week-old thread in one day, but didn't want to jinx it.

You asshole.

and you didn't want to marry me

Historically, though, I'm only ever gay in the summer.

hahaha i'm honored tabes

BLaB's accusation of homo-normativity should be taken with a wink and a smile, tho. See his other "Wondering" where he claims to hate, uh, everybody, basically, unless you're James Franco in drag.

perhaps this is why BLaB is a hero of mine.

Any sort of skepticism toward homogenous subgenres of gay culture is some "hell is other people" bullshit that I haven't felt in ten years, see also accusations of hipsterdom. But in BLaB's case it is cool to tell people to lighten up and watch some gay zombie porn

Can I start BLaBonormative?

BLaB's no hero to me but I like his writing and three of his films and I like that we live in the same city and can chat sometimes

I wanna change normativity to normalness

homonormalness just rolllls off the tongue

well, hell is other people, I thought we were all agreed on that.

homonermal

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_LaV7iL5OuNc/TF-TVA-STPI/AAAAAAAAC7k/aJ0G7epImkM/s320/nermal.jpg

homorealness

homonermal

http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad184/sdolnack/7908e101.jpg

fixed

ummmmm

best thing ever

Are those rings or pee stains?

nightmares

homo-NORML

duuuuude

Actually, no, both Splendor and Smiley Face are definitely worse than Otto.

no way, i mean i take it for granted that people hate on most of araki's stuff but smiley face was pretty good, hilarious tho and a completely different mood than otto which was zzzzzzzz but i think i sat through the director's cut screening as part of the committee for the dc glbt film festival.

kaboom seemed like a rehash of the stylistic themes from nowhere made for the newer generation.

thought i loved gael morel a lot more than i do - it turns out i've just seen full speed + le clan and was accidentally attributing a lot of francois ozon's work to him, like time to leave.

i take it for granted that people hate on most of araki's stuff

What is consensus on this guy? All I know is everybody love love loved Mysterious Skin and I did not not not care for it at all

mysterious skin was his one "mature" film, the others are kind of... not so

(also the only one he didn't write, or at least he didn't write the source material)

Also the one reasonably good movie of his I've ever seen. But I have so far skipped most of the meat of his '90s stuff.

I see what you did there

i sat through MS painfully hoping he'd get back to his more or less "roots" of pop / chaotic stuff eventually, which luckily he did in smiley face + kaboom.

nowhere and totally fucked up are two of my favorite movies, and doom generation is enjoyable. mysterious skin was great but i don't think i could watch it again. i really love smiley face, although that might be based completely on the strength of anna faris's performance.

he also shot a pilot for mtv called "this is how the world ends", which used to be on megavideo somewhere. basically a sort of heterosexualized version of nowhere.

Good morning, girls!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq7KrvuStzc

upgrade:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFsGNxoAXns

haaay

Stevie, it's the summertime, so I had better see you & your bf over here by Labor Day.

Few things are more satisfying than a gin and tonic at the airport bar an hour before boarding.

Don't worry, we're werking on it.

Few things would be more satisfying than a JFK-caliber injection in my lower back right now.

http://media.screened.com/uploads/0/5125/442786-willie_o_keefe_large.gif

diff injection

looks like I will soon be on funny uncle status?

Congrats! Going on three years as a f.u. (ok, that doesn't look right) myself. Enjoy.

I want to be a funny uncle :(

5-year-old describes me as "silly" rather than funny.

Is there a gay version of a biological clock? Cause the last three years have got mine ticking.

(and yes, I realize such statements make me the enemy of Bruce LaBruce)

What would this clock measure? I have felt like a gay senior citizen since 35.

My increasing desire to be a parent, something I would have thought impossible a decade ago.

I have wanted to be a parent more than a boyfriend/husband for a few years running now.

But I'm not sure I'm capable of being Mr. Mom.

And if 35 = gay senior citizenship, then I should be getting to be ready to be a gay GRANDPARENT in a few years.

my granddad was gay. i found out via rummaging thru his room as a kid and running into his stack of playgirls (and strangely not being grossed out about it due to facts about self i realized later)

Statistically improbable as it seems, I was the first gay on either side of my families as far as anyone knows. Prolonged my coming out for no good reason; as far as I know, everyone's cool with it (or at least anyone who isn't keeps quiet about it).

if there are any other gays in my family i don't know about 'em

would rather be an uncle than a dad but at this rate i don't think either of those things are happening anytime soon

xp ditto. It would be positively nifty to have other family members who were gay.

i have a gay cousin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have at least a couple gay cousins that I know about. It's nbd.

"The trouble with children is that they are not returnable."

haha i was just gonna say that friends' babies are fun cuz they're not yours. "here - it's hungry!" "here - it needs to be changed!" "oh it's happy again GIVE IT BACK!" "bored now. you look tired!" "oh it's screaming - well, must be off, see you in a bit"

i think the gay uncle role (not actual uncle obv) is one i can embrace anyway. i have literally zero inclination to be a father, and give thanks for this on a regular basis.

(btw i once put a baby in a bin when i was babysitting it)

yes, as Q. Crisp also said, why would you throw away the #1 advantage of being gay?

(yes, this is somewhat tongue-in-cheek except as it applies to me)

a bin is a bloody garbage can, isn't it?

been a Funny Uncle two years. So far she has better taste in music and books than her parents.

b and i hung out with a friend of his who has a 2-yr-old. i think between the three adults we had like, ten minutes of grownup talk and the rest of the afternoon was like "oh, she's hungry! you want this food? you want..no? ok, let's stomp around this museum for awhile! *thwacks benches for five minutes straight*"

xp lol wtf lex!

it IS the #1 advantage of being gay though.

it was a small woven rattan wastepaper basket which was clean and didn't have a bag in it. i wanted to make sure the baby didn't crawl off the sofa while i went to make myself toast. then i forgot about it. then its parents came home :/

(the baby basically fit perfectly inside the bin, i even checked its head was supported, and it DIDN'T EVEN CRY)

and you didn't even throw out the bathwater.

yeah i was actually quite psyched to not be expected to have kids, or get married back then for that matter. my mom's best friend my godfather was also gay so everything was a bit easy for me i guess.

yeah i was actually quite psyched to not be expected to have kids

you're not down with the new dire heteronormativity?

pshaw to the direness i say

My cousin who I'm least close to, who is my age and divorced, brought a very butch young woman with her to our last xmas gathering, but that's it for gay fam.

You did a good thing there, Lex.

been a Funny Uncle two years. So far she has better taste in music and books than her parents.

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:09 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My niece likes Tilly and the Wall, which I swear I had nothing to do with.

I got a sexually and ethnically diverse family but still got some hilarious comments at the first Thanksgiving w bf

i.e. "Oh you MUST meet my father's caregiver, she's from Laos! No, wait... Vietnam! Her name is Trinh, what ethnicity is that?" ".............."

There were a few comments that involved the word "chappie" that I shouldn't relate

Gotta admit my ignorance over the derogatory properties of "chappie." Please enlighten? More old-person gay slang?

My bf's ex-boss would occasionally refer to him and other gay employees as "fun boys." She was later forced to attend a "respect in the workplace" seminar.

The 60+ age group in my family uses the word "chappie" occasionally, and never to refer to any specific ethnicity, religious group or sexuality. It does almost always mean a non-WASP or non-heterosexual. And it's meant to imply a sort of jocular familiarity with that 'other'. "My parents would never have objected if I went on a date with a Jewish chappie" for example.

my dad asked how my "friend" was on the phone last week. guess he's not yet comfortable with appending "boy-" to the front of it

my mom's always been totally fine but has also always been "friend"

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwz715L9g31qbuel9.gif

"friend" is a necessary drabness, i don't let it bother me, but i bet would surprise myself by how much i'd be willing to part with if by doing so i could force everyone to call my bf "fun boy" instead of "friend" from now.

ugh what a terrible sentence.

anyway, me and my fun boy

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y153/struggin/IMG_1225.jpg

ka-yoot

yeah i'm not particularly upset about it. also my mom said my brother showed her a photo of us on our road trip and told me "you guys look really happy together"

aw

Pretty much the cutest

What a dashing couple!!

Important question: is 'dashing' one of those words like 'dapper' that while once a kind of foppish straight guy compliment now has a vague air of gay about it? or is it still the sort of thing one says of str8 dudes?

i didn't know dapper was va-gay, nor dashing

Don't ever hold a child in the kitchen, lex.

Guys there's a new Alanis single

Her new album is called "Havoc and Bright Lights"

It sounds like Evanesence and it's making me cry :-(

it took me a few seconds to get your dn

It sounds like Evanesence and it's making me cry

Well turn it off!

Hah I realized shortly after I came up w it that it'd be really not-intuitive and hard to decode but didn't care.

I always mix up Wild Things and Cruel Intentions and have seen neither; which one is the good one or are they both the good one? I picked Wild Things and Glitter up for 99c ea the other day.

i remember ci being fun and nothing about wild things. i was into buffy and crushed on phillipe tho so there was attachment already

cruel intentions is great and also has joshua jackson as a louche bleached-blond gay drug dealer. i've never seen wild things though, i don't think

never saw CI, liked Wild Things but then I have a taste for raw Bacon.

http://media.screened.com/uploads/0/5125/442786-willie_o_keefe_large.gif

also WT has Theresa Russell and Bill Murray, whaddya want

i'm in the "seen CI, never seen WT" camp as well

i don't think gay guys are exempt from feeling some form of desire to raise children, which is maybe an obvious statement but eh, ok. i kinda think it's maybe more cultural than biological for most people but our culture likes to pretend a uterus makes you crazy and that a woman's mind is simply at the mercy of the rest of her biology.

my bf and his best friend (bi/f) made a plan to co-parent a kid together if they were both single at 27. that didn't happen and THANK GOD for that.

right now on melrose place jake and allison are expecting and allison is freaking out, all the change is too fast for her

but jake is all ready for it!

remember when Grant Show was supposed to be hot

he's very sweet

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/entertainment-weekly/223-1.jpg

I never did watch Melrose or Dawson or 90210

ugh that COVER.

(Side note: I'm shamed to say I think it was certain photo spreads in EW that convinced me beyond the shadow of a doubt that I was gay. Though not that MP one.)

post!

I did watch DC, but largely out of fascination with JvdB's giant mailbox head.

LOL nostalgia.

Surm, rank DC, MP, 90210, and Po5

And any other 90s teen dramas I'm forgetting

stevie, do you not qualify MSCL as a 90s teen drama, or is it just in a league of its own?

90210 MP Po5 DC

(duh)

MSCL is obv in a league of its own; it doesn't seem as, I don't know, needlessly melodramatic or frivolous as those 4

"I miss Minneapolis."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL1UpmKA7bE

MSCL was, however fitfully, trying to depict real teenagers played (mostly) by teenagers.

I possibly had the same experience as Eric re: EW photo spreads. For me, it was the '93 Marky Mark profile, I'm not unashamed to admit.

That one was definitely in the mix. I seem to remember an Antonio Sabato, um, piece as well.

Don't remember that one, and my fam subscribed from about 92 on through most of the decade.

Was gonna amend my previous statement to something about watching The Pirate Movie and The Blue Lagoon a couple years prior to Marky Mark in EW, but that was more like just planting the seeds.

There was an illustration of Beck in the EW Best of '94 issue that I found alluring (huge image):
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/242560_10150209852677668_4933949_o.jpg

Not the point of the convo at all, but I always thought David Browne was a pretty great critic. Wonder where he writes now.

xpost Yeah, I remember that one. Looks kinda Pomplamoosey in retrospect.

Don't like that Browne referred to Erotica as an iceberg. Or, rather, didn't like that he didn't get that that was partly the point.

I seem to remember an Antonio Sabato, um, piece as well.

― the new dire homonomoreboobsativity (Eric H.), Friday, 13 July 2012 15:40 (8 minutes ago) Permalink

OMG he was on melrose
SO FUCKIN HOT

My bf always hated EW solely because of that Erotica review (his favorite album). What's funny is that around 93-94 Browne wrote a piece where he revisited some of his older opinions and he talks about how he now realized how much he underrated that particular record.

tbh i underrated it at the time of its release too

I think everyone did.

i was a SPIN subscriber around the time i "realized" and...well, it played a part

haha, I tried to remember what Erotica was, and concluded it was her dirty photo book.

No pics online of the shirtless college boys who cut my apartment complex's lawn in the mid '70s, alas.

that EW "Legends" issue from summer '93 was responsible for my discovering a bunch of film classics.

There was a top 50 directors issue a year or two later that actually really kicked off my film school period.

And I'm sure I also took their pic of Alfred Hitchcock with me into the bathroom.

Are Morbs and me the only two participants on this thread that DON'T contribute to the Singles Jukebox?

i don't. i've never really written about music anywhere

(for which you should all be thankful)

I feel like I write about new music more than I would like, and yet I love the format and want to be a part of it.

You totally should. I sometimes think about jumping back in -- I haven't contributed in a couple of years.

You jump, I jump, right?

I don't contribute but it's pretty much the only website I read regularly

That and friendblogs

i don't. WORDS ARE USELESS. ESPECIALLY SENTENCES.

how can they explain how i feel about maroon 5

See that's where the numbers come in.

:)

Um. I'm more sporadic than I used to be, but I think I still contribute (in)frequently enough to count. Plus, even when I'm too lazy to write, I put in time curating tracks for review (aka forcing everyone to listen to Marianas Trench and other Canadian chartpop). Alfred may never forgive me.

I didn't review the Mariana's Trench track, but I didn't dislike it either.

Marianas Trench was just serving as metonymy for CanCon generally. Insert Mia Martina and/or My Name is Kay and/or Danny Fernandes and/or um... whoever...

i don't. WORDS ARE USELESS. ESPECIALLY SENTENCES.

fucking hell i was LITERALLY JUST LISTENING TO THAT

also thinking that someone should sample the "sanctuary" vocal somewhere for something

Also, glad youre repping for Canadian chart pop cause I like reviewing even the stuff I hate, though that's generally because by the time it makes it to the jukebox I've heard it so many times that I'm ready to vent (see that awful Heart quoting thing from earlier in the year...Alyssa Reid I believe her name was).

In a Chicago leather bar last week, some DJ was playing Weezer and Dave Edmunds while porn was on the TVs. Very disjunctive.

ALEX IN MTL your presence is required itt Angel Haze

if only so SOMEONE else posts in it kmt

It would be there but I'm at work for another few hours technically. Also, I thought Reservation doesn't come out until teh 17th.

Did it get an early release?!?

And didn't we have a dedicated Angel Haze thread already? Where did we rave about her before?

no, reservation is still out on the 17th, i figured there was enough stuff out to start it, obviously not

we've raved about her in sundry places - everyone in the goon thread ignored her which is why i didn't go in there with it, but i think the odd future thread and maybe one of the EOY ones got +ve responses, which is why i thought a crossover thread would work, but obviously not

It's working, you just need to give it time to get rolling. You're the least patient person ever with this stuff (see: Melanie Fiona thread, other threads) especially since a lot of us don't always check the new answers page when we're mobile - just our bookmarks. :P

I don't either. Let's start our own blog guys. We'll review music from a male point of view

http://wanderfunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/hated-it.jpg

theo gets back in like 4 hours!!!

:D

went to my friend's wedding last night. there was a guy there who might have been on drugs? and actually said "i don't like queers" out loud to our table while we were eating. he also kept asking all the women there to party with him and claimed that he had coke in his pocket.

other than that, good times

luckily his dad (who was also kind of a dick - he told the bride that she should've just taken her husband's name because TRADITION) took him home early

waht do u mean "other than that"? 5-star entertainment

theo gets back in like 4 hours!!!

― for reasons of sass (the table is the table), Sunday, July 15, 2012 11:21 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

say what up to u mans n dem

http://www.indiewire.com/article/john-waters-tells-outfest-opening-night-to-act-bad

I think I've heard him say almost all of these lines, but his repetitions can be a source of comfort, like Bob Ross "beating the devil" out of his brush.

Oh man, I just remembered a dream I had last night. I was hanging out with Rev, and he was trying to remember the name of a famous person. He sketched a cartoon to try to get me to figure it out, and even though his cartoon looked like the Pringles mascot, I was like, "Oh, that's Bruce Vilanch." But he didn't know who that was, so we went to the Internet to look him up. But for the life of me, I could not type the letters BRUCE VILANCH correctly in sequence -- every single time I tried, I made a typo. This went on for a ridiculously long time. Finally, I got it right, but the first picture that came up was a super-atypical-looking photo of Bruce Vilanch, like he was wearing sunglasses or had on a hat or was in a wheelchair or something.

JW is kind of animatronic at those things by now, which is why I'm glad I saw him present Marguerite Duras' Le Camion a few years ago.

xp

so d & i jumped at the chance to visit cape cod yesterday, hanging out with our friend whose brother has a house in truro, poking through the flea market in wellfleet, making ceviche, drinking beers on the beach at dusk, and randomly running into nyc friends in ptown who had visited for 'bear week' lol.

a whirlwind of 24 hours, drove home early this AM and now at work and i am going to just collapse

like he was wearing sunglasses or had on a hat or was in a wheelchair or something.

"Into the night, into the night, into the night, into the night."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1EJnpvVfxQ

mmmmmmm ceviche

flouder & tuna belly iirc

hired security kicked out two guys here for gaying it up at a non-homo-specific club a few weeks back, manager caught hold of it and is having a "SHIRTS OFF!!" all-inclusive party. with some typical not that-great robyn this lcd soundsystem that with a pinch of bad gay house local djs but w/e

Fuck that shit. What happened to the security?

why does security have a say in programming?

it wasn't regular security, it was a contractor hired for the night, was totally over his bounds, was let go

Oh man, I just remembered a dream I had last night. I was hanging out with Rev, and he was trying to remember the name of a famous person. He sketched a cartoon to try to get me to figure it out, and even though his cartoon looked like the Pringles mascot, I was like, "Oh, that's Bruce Vilanch." But he didn't know who that was, so we went to the Internet to look him up. But for the life of me, I could not type the letters BRUCE VILANCH correctly in sequence -- every single time I tried, I made a typo. This went on for a ridiculously long time. Finally, I got it right, but the first picture that came up was a super-atypical-looking photo of Bruce Vilanch, like he was wearing sunglasses or had on a hat or was in a wheelchair or something.

― Never translate Dutch (jaymc), Monday, July 16, 2012 11:17 AM Bookmark

!!!!

ftr, I know who Bruce Vilanch is

Guys I think Wild Things has got to be the most convoluted film ever made

more than The Big Sleep?

Rain sposed to bring relief from putrid swamp today in nYC, in time for me to go to Cock Gobblin' tonight (possibly NSFW):

http://rhizome.org/announce/events/58526/view/

I've basically switched to cutoffs full time now. I think I've worn shorts to work a grand total of 3 times before this summer. I'm now at over a dozen.

i would kill for the opportunity to have someone say 'i don't like queers' at a wedding dinner

I see surm going full Albert Brooks w/ his dessert fork.

ohhhhhh the cock

In my memory, i have more of a feel *koff* for the old Cock.

i need to go out and meet ambiguous strangers and put questionable things into my body maybe

I have the sort of university job for which "business casual" was invented. It sucks in the tropical heat but it's better than making fun at the execrable fashion sense of faculty.

*fun of

the one time i went to the cock, the old one, welcome to the jungle (!) was blaring while lepore mc'd and guys were doing lines off of the urinals, it was kind of glorious. i never returned.

also: much love for coworker (whom i usually can't stand for rolling his orthopedic bouncy ball chair thing everywhere except when he decides to hop up and sit on my desk wearing his vibram five-finger feet-things) for setting the precedent of shorts

it's ridiculous women can come to work in like a stretchy piece of fabric called a "summer dress" and men have to feel bad about wearing shorts

what's the cutoff between the old and new cock? i think the first time i went there with stevie was the first time i ever went there so i'm guessing i only know the "new" one

the first time i ever went there was the first time i ever went there and the table is the table and the pears are the pears etc

Note to the Chicago gayz and bi guy, I'm visiting this weekend but I'm almost exclusively hanging out with some old college friends, so if stuff pops up on my FB profile indicating I'm there, I'm not ignoring you. It's just I don't have time this trip. :(

ohhhhhh the cock

― moesha my reflection (donna rouge), Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:51 AM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

u guys i had a situation the other night, with a guy and ... i feel weird about it

god that must be the most unoriginal statement ever uttered

People keep talking about how the old location was like soooo much more debaucherous but based on the ~3x I've been to the new loc I'm not really sure how that's possible

Donna were you with me that time w the Big Shot Actor who was like so impt because he shot someone in a desert in the movie Traffic? God he was embarrassing!!

xp babygirl what happened?

prob ok to feel weird, surm.

I think the old Cock shut down around 2000.

i don't know guys, he's just a little too handsome and i kind of can't handle it

hahah i don't remember stevie! i think i remember you met a DJ there once?

Oh wow I totally remember that

surm plz write a song called "he's just a little too handsome"

I took a really, really ridiculous picture of a tableau of sorts that was on his nightstand

also surm make it vaguely sound like "Manic Monday"

:)

it just makes me sort of nervous

and he lives in this like gated building, i swear it feels like you should be pulling up in a buggy. he comes down in his perfect clothes with his perfect hair, i'm like this is a little too Ever After for me and i am not Drew Barrymore

i'm just not

but you so are

i feel like there had to have been much better places to do lines than off urinals

even in the bathroom alone, i could think of like 5 better places

^^ the start of a new Bret Easton Ellis novel

YES.

i've had my share of fun in that bathroom

A question for the gayz:

Getting dressed, a not so great acquaintance with whom I have little rapport and nothing in common (we barely spoke all weekend) asked which pair of boat shoes he should wear to match his outfit. He did the same thing the next day. I was insulted the second time at being reduced to a stereotype (and I've never made a point of discussing fashion).

Overreaction?

Overreaction?

since the person in question dresses gayer than you do, probably

not an inconsiderable point

funny how you knew exactly who I meant

Why r u getting dressed near this person? Have you been hanging out with a group of gays again? tsk tsk

Have you been hanging out with a group of gays again?

well yeah – Pitchfork Festival.

damn, traveling for indie, that's even worse

lol @ traveling for indie

it's true

word

Now I want to know who it was.

Alfred, I don't know if you remember, but I once referred to you and Th0mas Insk33p, in a blog post, as "notoriously stylish." Basically, a winking euphemism that I regret using, esp. since I don't even know what Th0mas looks like.

"Notorious" perhaps. I stayed with a few straight guys whose keenness for fashion surpassed mine.

OK, I'll bite: CG?

lol

no

Most guys' fashion sense surpass mine, whether they're gay or straight. A hetero friend of mone used to joke how horribly I fashionable I am, not cause I was gay, but just because of how little I appeared to care about such things.

Was the guy who allegedly made the assumption re: yr fashion sense gay or straight? Cause my level of offense taken (not that it'd be THAT much anyway) would depend on that.

*horribly unfashionable

I hate typing on phones

but you so are

― shmamille shmaglia (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:44 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thanks for this btw xo

i'm thankful tank tops are permissible at my job

THERE.

ARE.

NO.

WORDS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4aiwTkDwCY

that is insane (and wonderful)

cute (and labor-intensive).

i wouldn't watch that in a million years

Was the guy who allegedly made the assumption re: yr fashion sense gay or straight?

a straight guy who dressed like a caricature of a gay one

"boof" is still a really hideous coinage

i am wearing black today. my grandmother would wear black after my father died. but i'm not wearing it for morbid reasons; i just like black. i don't like to wear it all the time, but sometimes it's just what you need. i might go out tomorrow night, after i meet with a friend. there might be someone at the party that i know. i'll have to look good. i have a glow-in-the-dark shirt with bats on it that i could wear but it would be too hot -- it has a three-quarter length sleeve -- so i'll have to find something else.

That whole song is hideous, still.

unless Beyonce sings it

xxpost

I might wear black tomw night as the NY Eagle is launching a party called Piggy Bear.

wearing black jeans right now

i think i'm going to put mine on in a minute

Surm you really should watch that; dude is so spot on. It's not so much funny as it is incredible

It's certainly detail-oriented.

In praise of the Gay Slob!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-allen/is-there-such-a-thing-as-_3_b_1680287.html

(I have slept in that house. It was October, and fucking freezing.)

my friend calls them "schmo-mosexuals"

well, "them." i'm increasingly entering this state, my bedroom is a mess and our kitchen has fruit flies :/

The line between casual and health hazard is not as thin as you think.

ah jeez, just realized i've never not been a shmo-mosexual

Ugh. The kid's good, but what he's doing is fucking awful.

There are plenty of gay slobs. Especially what with the meth epidemic.

I'm a slob, but it's somewhat a matter of the shoemaker's son going barefoot.

Bc he lost his shoes in the heaps of dirty laundry.

good article about homeless queer youth in boystown:

http://www.chicagoreader.com/gyrobase/boystown-as-home-to-the-young-gay-homeless/Content?oid=6990871&storyPage=1

Ok, really should have read the Mark Allen piece before I signed on as a shmo-mosexual (or glob). I do live amongst a disorganized collection of books, vinyl records, DVDs, and my dog's numerous toys, but I do frequently run a vacuum cleaner through the place (dog hair is too much of an issue not to, even if I didn't want to), I don't think it's acceptable to go out anywhere ('cept the gym--which alone right there might disqualify me) in grey sweatpants, and our place remains thankfully non-infested with stray vermin. Also, my bf curbs many of my globish tendencies (though probably not as many as he'd like).

I only vacuum when I move. It's been 4 years.

i clean the shit out of my place whenever we have parties but we've only had 2 parties here so

it's not the filth, it's the clutter

my years of collecting shit i buy at thrift stores is really starting to catch up with me

I'm not mad at the dirt or anything, but, srsly guys. Pick up a broom every once in awhile.

so, only a Grey Gardens fan at a remove?

I don't let anything get unsanitary.

that article is great (the homeless youth one). temara jazmyn reminds me of t is the t.

I wouldn't have stepped foot in that house, but would've hung out with them on the deck.

Dirty bathrooms are the dealbreaker.

haha had that same thought too, matt

I was only in Boystown one night this time for a couple hours to go to the Chicago Diner, def not long enough to absorb anything except the weird steel rainbow phalluses on every block.

If I visit those guys again I am not sleeping anywhere near the muskrat path.

My toilet is immaculate. The floor, just dusty.

My bf of nine years is fixing to join ILX, mostly to start an "Ask a Filipino" thread, after reading yesterday's papasan conversation.

He and I are living in different cities this year. His mom is sick and needs taking care of. Obviously it's totally great that I can work and he can take time off to look after her, but I selfishly miss having a confidant in the room.

Sorry, Owen/I'm impressed. Distance is never fun/easy.

JF is in New York for two months and finding times that work for both of us to just squeeze in quick 'what have you been up to' conversations is tricky. I can't imagine what a year (or longer) would be like. My sister and her boyfriend did four years of long distance, though, so I guess people make it work for them.

yeah geez i'm at three weeks with my bf gone and i'm already going stir-crazy kind of. are you gonna go visit him?

owen or me?

i wanted to, because i love new york, and every time i've been this year i've only managed to see one or two of y'all but it might be prohibitively expensive?

i'm doing a bunch of non-paying work for the summer, and my last potential paying research gig didn't pan out, so even though JF has a place for the month it looks less likely.

he's back august 4, so I have two potential weeks to do it? i dunno. i'd also have to find someone else to take care of his cat, etc. while i'm gone. just complicated.

i promise i'll come back and visit soon, though. maybe sometime in the fall? maybe i'll drag him down for his birthday? who knows.

ha, that was to whomever! two weeks seems like short enough of a wait to me.

if B goes down there again for longer (like 3 months or something) i'd like to visit him, although this presumes i'll have $1000 to blow by that point which...

As for me, my bf is only three hours away. Kingston. Boo hoo. It's not THAT bad, we see each other every three weeks or so. But I have been having the weirdest mental issues without him around. Panic attacks, tearful phone calls, real pathetic stuff. I started playing video games in the evenings to deal, for the first time in years. I guess I'm in no position to complain, the couple of you who've met him know he's pretty much an A+ dude.

It's ok! I've displaced all my boyfriend feelings (well, not all my boyfriend feelings, but you know what I mean) onto his cat that I'm watching for a month, and when the cat started dealing poorly with the 32+ degree weather, I decided I should panic about my relationship.

Sanity! It's overrated.

i don't need distance to act completely irrational about my relationship. :/