Acceptable or Unacceptable: Coffeeshops that refuse to serve Espresso-over-ice

espresso over ice "shocks" the flavor and it tastes like shit!

Which is to say, god yes put it over ice to get it down the hatch quicker.

are u a HUFFPOST SUPER USER?

we should probably just ban coffee shops

no but i'm friends with one!!!!

ALSO IF IT'S NOT ALREADY APPARENT I AM JUICED ON THE COFFEE TODAY

BZZZZZ

espresso on ice is obv retarded but if the customer asks and it requires no especial effort then honestly just do it idk

huffpo comment thread idea -- should service workers do as they're fucking told? are you angry about service workers? what would mubarak have done about this?

Do they refuse to make Americani too?

i'm in a unique position on this - my gf is a barista and strongly advocates the position that it's not on the menu for a reason (it tastes bad and they take pride in serving good tasting coffee). my friend frequently orders espresso-over-ice, but he actually likes the taste. and in fact he created a huge incident at the coffeeshop mentioned in the huffpost article just a few months ago when the barista refused to serve it to him. and he does add cream to it ("just a little") when it's served to him, which inevitably infuriates baristas because they're doing him a favor in the first place by serving it to him.

created a huge incident at the coffeeshop

:(

espresso tastes like the floor of an exxon service bay - hot or cold.

this is a better question if you assume the Amsterdam definition of "coffeeshop" and imagine stoned ppl dumping weed into a glass of ice

The shit that ppl put in espresso... I was a barista a million years ago and I used to put whatever ppl paid me to in their coffee. Lowfat milk, chocolate syrup, flavorings, etc... They can't have been much better than espress over ice but I prefered the coffee granita we had on hot days, anyway.

tbh I am fully on board with the "get a latte for the price of an espresso" scam

Coffee prices themselves are a scam so whatevs.

Iced tea is so much better than iced coffee

I realize this is not a majority opinion but most iced tea tastes like spit

doesn't m white wear white suits and presumably he carries a cane and speaks like william faulkner? it would be a crying shame if he didn't prefer ice tea

a good ice latter is better ime but i don't think i've had good ice tea

agh latté

i am using this thread just to say: fuck all the new ritzy single-pour coffee places.

you suck and are ridiculous

fwiw, the extremely scientific huffpost poll (which i've voted in 4 times) asking "Does a coffeeshop have the right to refuse to make a triple espresso over ice?" is in a virtual dead heat right now at 48.4% Yes to 51.6% No.

If the customer is paying for it then shut the fuck up and give them their gd espresso over ice imo.

expresso ftw

I thought this said espresso over ice cream at first and now I want some of that. Gimmie.

personally have a strong IA hatred for cheapskate scammers with their espresso over ice in a grande cup topped off with an entire cup of creamer. I see a few of them at my local place and I always want to yell at them but I have no good reason for doing so except oh hai I'm a spazz lol

reminds me of loser Deadhead fans who'd make "salad" from the nacho condiment bar at concerts.
DEADBEATS. all of them.

espresso over ice? I have no beef with places that do or don't serve them. just charge them for any creamer they might top off with, so that they don't steal creamer from decent citizens who actually pay for a full cup of coffee.

definite right to refuse btw. 'the customer is always right' has destroyed the US and we need to take it back imo.

e otm....that can be very good

there's an italian term for i can't remember but yeah just an espresso over rly good vanilla ice cream on a 90F day....

AND if these cheapskate creamer-stealers have a problem with the price of the coffee you're buying, go to 7/11 or the gas station or the grocery store ffs. it's not like you can't find cheap coffee anywhere.

affogato is espresso over icecream iirc

ha - I couldn't remember the term :)

right! gold star for u

my mom sometimes goes to coffee places and asks for espresso over ice bc she wants to make a latte but can't use their milk cause it's not kosher enough (she brings her own from home). sometimes they yell at her and she shows them her big container of double-super-kosher milk from home.

There are levels of kosher? I had no idea.

Mordy's mom: approved!

Super kosher!

http://www.brooklynscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/milk.jpg

super kosher!

yay I get a gold star, thank u nakhchivan!

super kosher milk huh. cool!

sometimes they yell at her and she shows them her big container of double-super-kosher milk from home.

do they stop yelling?

:'(

but she's a tough lady, she can dish it out if they get too mean

ACCEPTABLE

Maybe people have a problem with the idea that adding 20 cents worth of cold milk to a $1.50 shot of espresso should make it cost $4.00.

i have no idea why you would want to drink it this way but i'm not going to get mad at people who ask for it over ice either

if ppl are going to drink on the premises then they will probably spend longer faffing about drinking an iced latte than they would if they drank an espresso

they steam the milk in a latte! even an iced one. so you're getting some other thing if you pull the scam, right? a con mucho leche or some shit. they're still getting their meager hourly wage for the labor they are not doing for the drink you are not getting steamed.

fuck if i was a barista i'd invite this kind of behavior.

Wait what? No they don't, do they? Pouring a bunch of steamed milk over ice would melt the ice real fast.

I'm sure starbucks doesn't do it anyway.

we need a barista in here, stat

i got into the habit of buying those stupid sugary starbucks bottled lattes which in at least one local shop cost more than any takeaway espresso based coffee from the pretty good café nextdoor

just stop drinking iced lattes everyone for the love of god

we need a barista in here, stat

I often like to hit speaker on my phone, speed-dial my secretary, say this and then hang up.

iced lattes are just chocolate milks w/ coffee flavor, what is wrong with that? should ppl stop drinking chocolate milk too??

You haven't lived until you've watched an uncomfortable espresso-over-ice interaction, and then at the table the friend tells you "did you see what happened there? can you believe that?" and then 10 minutes later you're talking to your barista buds and they tell you "did you see what happened there? can you believe that?"

i feel so conflicted, because i did see what happened there but i'm in a difficult spot.

The idea that you are too high and mighty to serve something that a customer asks for and is willing to pay for seems to me just too wrong-headed for words. You can tell them your opinion of their choice, but why force it on them? You aren't in business just to gratify your sense of your own good taste, are you?

lol a lot of big city coffee places appear exactly to be doing that....

well, there is the chef analogy to consider.

anyway, my REAL position on this is that the establishment has the right to maintain whatever control they want over the drink until it crosses the counter to the customers hands. there are bars that don't serve shots. there are breweries that won't let you fill clear glass growlers. this is basically the same thing. yeah, it's kind of lame and uptight but whatever just don't go to places like that if it is so bothersome.

(a chef is obviously concerned about providing a quality dining experience for customers - you don't get to tell the chef to alter the dish according to their whims)

so pouring espresso over ice 'shocks' it and is disgusting, savage, but pouring it over ice cream is fine and even has its own name? sounds highly plausible.

http://theotherblackstuff.ie/thoughts/shocking-espresso/

(a chef is obviously concerned about providing a quality dining experience for customers - you don't get to tell the chef to alter the dish according to their whims)

― Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Tuesday, June 26, 2012 3:10 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

People make substitution requests all the time at restaurants!

also, if you want espresso on ice you should probably find a cheaper place to buy it than the kind of place that doesn't serve espresso over ice.

I HATE restaurants where they don't provide salt and pepper because the "chef has seasoned the dish to their liking". Get your head out of your ass. Ugh.

If a place refuses, why not just ask for a double espresso and a cup of ice. That way you can spare the barista the indignity of having to prepare an improper drink himself.

Sorry - I just really hate this sort of thing. It's snobby. That said, I've never witnessed this cheapskate espresso over ice in order to score a low-coast latte. Does it happen often?

xpost

keep in mind that i'm not necessarily a proponent of the Chef Analogy (i'm merely a conflicted, torn rebel with nothing to lose). but i think the analogy is to a very nice, nice restaurant where no, you cannot make substitution requests.

Incidentally, I was kind of thinking about the chipotlization of food today, how every place now is "Pick your meat, pick your veg, pick your toppings, pick like 5 different sauces and dressings" and how it's actually kind of gross sometimes but you always wind up putting too much stuff together because it's there and they offer it to you. I wonder what chefs think about that.

If a place refuses, why not just ask for a double espresso and a cup of ice. That way you can spare the barista the indignity of having to prepare an improper drink himself.

this is apparently what caused the huge incident that my friend created. he asked for espresso in one cup, and a cup of ice in the other, and they refused. bedlam ensued.

If a place refuses, why not just ask for a double espresso and a cup of ice. That way you can spare the barista the indignity of having to prepare an improper drink himself.

― click here if you want to load them all (Hurting 2), Tuesday, June 26, 2012 3:14 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

probably the correct way to handle this and not a request that should be refused.

a low-coast latte.

haha how about an 'alabama latte'

tell the barista your five-year-old has a concussion

ZS - I know. I don't like that sort of thing, I guess. My dad is a chef and used to host dinner parties a lot. One of his friends smothers every single thing he eats in ketchup. Yes, everything. My dad thinks it's disgusting in insane but if Bob was at a dinner party my dad wouldn't say a word, he'd just put some ketchup into a sauce boat and put it next to Bob's table setting and let him drown his filet mignon in the crap. It wasn't in insult to the cooking, it was just some guy's weird food thing.

if you want an espresso over ice buy an espresso machine and make it yourself

I can understand chefs wanting to maintain some kind of overall quality control, which I guess can be put at risk if you let people who don't know what they're doing ask for stuff they think they would prefer. It's also part of the branding of the place I guess -- snobbism = artistry.

if you want an espresso over ice buy an espresso machine and make it yourself

you do realize a barista-quality espresso machine costs thousands of dollars and is complicated to operate

dammit, i meant to add that initial post was intended to be read in the manner of a "Read all about it!" newspaper kid from 1916.

anyway, my actual take on this is that coffee shops should serve it if customers ask for it, but in small, espresso-appropriate glasses, to foil the people looking to make an ice latte on the cheap.

i really have no problem with restaurants or coffee shops refusing to do or make stuff they think is gross and weird! they are not really obligated to cater to whatever requests except to the extent that it will put them out of business. there is no moral imperative here. i guess its dickish if they wont give you salt and pepper but if their food sucks and they refuse to give you salt they will probably go out of business so who cares

and if customer takes the small, espresso-appropriate glass and dumps it into a larger cup and then adds free cream to it from the counter,

FISTICUFFS

is this related at all to serious hot dog places that won't serve sausages with ketchup?

98% of US coffee drinkers wouldn't be able to tell a shocked espresso from shinola (myself included) so who gives a shit what savage abominations the coffee buying populations want to visit on their beverages?

That said, go on and refuse service, snooty coffee shops. Eventually this particular brand of artsinal snottery will go out of style and you'll start losing profits to the 7-11 down the block and rethink your stance. Or not.

you do realize a barista-quality espresso machine costs thousands of dollars and is complicated to operate

― click here if you want to load them all (Hurting 2), Tuesday, June 26, 2012 3:20 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think if all you want is espresso over ice a consumer-quality machine is just fine!

Intelligentsia here in Chicago cause OUTRAGE a couple of years ago when they stopped selling 20 ounce coffees/lattes bc coffee is not meant to be consumed in large quantities or some such utter bullshit.

they can serve whatever size they want

agh latté

Still wrong

no they can't this is America we have the right to oversize bladders

i don't think 7-11 would make me an espresso slurpee, but maybe i should test this...

i demand that my 7-11 espresso slurpee be served with no ice

Seriously, as I mentioned upthread, a coffee granita is awesome.

definite right to refuse btw. 'the customer is always right' has destroyed the US and we need to take it back imo.

this is otm, people who expect coffee shops to cater to their every whim might as well be eating at BURGER KING ESPRESSO

hear hear

Glad you're not small business owners.

My "utter bullshit" comment was referring to the notion that one cannot enjoy coffee if the coffee is served in a vessel larger than some arbitrary size that the people at Intelligentsia decided is the right size for coffee. Enjoyment is way to subjective to make that kind of pronouncement.

As with espresso over ice, I don't care what they will and won't serve. They can refuse to serve coffee unless you bring your own bowl carved from the skull of your enemy for all I care.

Or good thing rather, not glad. lol.

(fyi trademarking concept of coffee shop that only serves coffee in bowls carved from the skulls of your enemies)

I think you could go somewhere with that tbh.

z s he best solution would be for your frend to pack his cheeks with ice prior to entering the coffee shop, ordering an espresso, downing it really quickly through his ice packed mouth, then jumping on the counter and mooning the baristas with his exposed buttocks painted with "DON'T TREAD ON ME" in mustard packets

I'm going to need some smaller enemies

lol

Siege warfare against a daycare.

if I ran a coffee shop we would only serve hot water and the music would be a deafeningly loud recording of coffee beans being ground

noizepresso

if i ran a coffee shop it would be an open field where customers are invited to grow their own beans and raise their own dairy cattle. still $4.39 a cup tho.

xp ha that reminds me of a new artinsinal doughnut shop that opened near my work that was playing the uncensored version of Can I Get A at an extremely loud volume the last time I went in there. Take that, tourists.

the real question here is if it's acceptable for coffeeshops make their iced coffee by putting drip coffee on ice/in the fridge (vs cold press).

whether or not you believe in the rigid application of the customer is always right, retail contexts are not just sites of pure exchange and are full of subtle pressures passively or coercively produced by the owners/employees

thus a boutiquey coffee shop with a solemn and hieratic devotion to good coffee, whatever that means, is essentially there to dissuade you from bad coffee in all its forms

even so.....once the customer says they want bad coffee, there is surely a ritual for giving them bad coffee, a series of stuttered/monotone areyousures, an awkward clunking of ice, the mordant stares of coffee lovers nearby, the customer's hurried shamed exit and the absolution of normal service being resumed

lol I didn't even know cold press was a thing until last week at which point I made my own and, yes, it was very good. Guess I'm going to the wrong coffee shops.

i recently asked "how do you make your iced coffee?" and the surly barista just pointed to a tank of it.

haha

re the savages topping up their espressos over ice, my whole thing is half the time they're adding half-n-half to it. Like, loads of it. Which has to taste beyond foul.

"Sir, it's clear that you hate coffee in all forms...wtf are u even doing here"

Espresso over ice w/ loads of half and half (and sugar) sounds like a pretty good approximation of espresso over ice cream.

IT IS SAVAGERY AND I WON'T STAND FOR IT

hand me my skull-cup

iced espressos sound perfect actually. most times i'm buying coffee, esp in a chain coffee shop, it's because i need to be perked up not because i want to savour the taste. and usually i need to be perked up quickly or on the move which means i don't have time to wait for the stupid thing to cool down.

i usually order iced black coffees - definitely when it's hot but usually when it's cold - cuz it's like an extra massive slap in the face to wake me up. i get terse with baristas who are confused by this simple order.

i have no opinion on people who do the latte trick. i have no real opinion on people who put milk in their coffee other than mild disdain.

lemme back up:

reminds me of loser Deadhead fans who'd make "salad" from the nacho condiment bar at concerts.

the nacho what at the where now?

maybe bad coffee should be really expensive
espresso over ice for nine dollars
a possibly byproduct of this: people would then start ordering expensive coffee, to drink ostentatiously

or maybe the constituent parts of coffee should be broken apart, and charged like a salad, per ingredient, meaning that milk abuse would cost money

& maybe there should be the opposite of a loyalty card, but i can't think how it would work yet

xpost goole: concert arenas that serve hotdogs, nachos etc usually have a little stand nearby with kethcup, mustard, onions, jalapenos etc as hotdog/nacho toppings/condiments

cheapskate hippies would make salad from the condiments and eat it as a meal because they are lame

that is nasty enough to serve as its own punishment

onion and jalapeño salad w ketchup and mustard dressing sounds good

the original 'vegan hotdog'

stay away from me dayo, u dirty hippie

the opposite of a loyalty card, but i can't think how it would work yet

Every fourth espresso on ice w/half and half, the barista gets to kick you in the crotch.

americano is my drink yo

I never understand those

If the bean/roast isn't too dark/bitter, the best thing about an espresso is the crema, and diluting that with water ruins the taste

On the one hand, you're totally right. On the other hand, you overestimate the sensitivity of the average US coffee palate.

latte girl, me. no mess, no fuss.

a mocha if I'm feeling fancy.

it's just a different drink. espressos are delicious. americanos are like coffee but tastier.

drip coffee gives me cramping sometimes, lattes are a bit gentler on me (sorry baout tmi)

So, people have a shocked espresso in the morning and a martini with bruised gin in the evening?

i pretty much prefer a black coffee made in the japanese slowly poured drippy filter cone style than the italian espresso style nowadays. tho i like both.

re the savages topping up their espressos over ice, my whole thing is half the time they're adding half-n-half to it. Like, loads of it. Which has to taste beyond foul.

"Sir, it's clear that you hate coffee in all forms...wtf are u even doing here"

― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 20:05 (39 minutes ago) Permalink

Which is exactly how I feel about people who order iced lattes! If you'e going to serve a shot of espresso drowned in milk and ice to the point that you can no longer taste anything other than a vague hint of coffee, why get snobby when people want iced espresso? Because you're a cheapskate cafe owner who wants to do a giant markup on adding milk, that's why, and don't bullshit me about it. Steamed milk over ice is even worse - that's fucking disgusting.

My dad always drinks his coffee w/loads of milk and sugar and I always tease him that what he really wants is melted coffee ice cream.

For that matter, why offer sugar? Let alone splenda or equal, yeesh.

feel like this is the thread that will finally lead to the destruction of ilx

this thread is like a cozy ilx blanket

I don't really do iced drinks. Maybe a blended one on a really, seriously hot day but otherwise hot coffee for me always

this thread is like a cozy ilx blanket

― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:03 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

totally, a bit of simulated controversy for a quiet day

also coffee, who among us does not love to drink and talk about coffee

the question is, do you even tip the barista once he refuses?

this thread - A COZY BLANKET OR THE SEED OF DESTRUCTION?

sorry, i just want to make things as dramatic as possible here

A COZY BLANKET OF DESTRUCTION

i like how when i searched for a picture of the COZY BLANKETS full of influenza that were the SEEDS OF DESTRUCTION for the north american indians, it appeared on this page

http://espressostalinist.wordpress.com/genocide/native-american-genocide/

ITT: espresso rockism

i hadn't really thought of this before, but my pov so far:
* refusing on the basis that it leads to a shitty drink is dumb, let people drink shitty drinks if they want to, especially if they're going to pay you for it
* however, people cheating and making bad but slightly cheaper iced lattes out of iced espresso and cream is pretty bad, so refusing on these grounds seems valid
* MOST IMPORTANTLY coffee shops that make "iced coffee" by pouring hot coffee over ice should be burned to the ground so i can urinate on the ashes

catering solely to people with impeccable taste (ie refusing to sell iced espresso because it's bad for the espresso) in a market dependent on $3 and $4 purchases seems like a terrible business model in the u.s. in 2012

are we tucking this cozy blanket over our feet tho?

Acceptable because the only thing funnier than people asking for iced espresso is barisas getting all mad about it.

i can't believe i used to be a barista

baristas getting all mad about it is WAY funnier than people asking for it

I'm not the first one to notice this, but as the indie/alt cultural demographic gets older they've transferred music snobbishness to artisinal coffee and food. I missed being insulted at a record store, but now I can be denigrated at a coffee bar!

that's kind of like when i went into the fancy deli and asked for american cheese and they got upset

even so.....once the customer says they want bad coffee, there is surely a ritual for giving them bad coffee, a series of stuttered/monotone areyousures, an awkward clunking of ice, the mordant stares of coffee lovers nearby, the customer's hurried shamed exit and the absolution of normal service being resumed

*this* is some glorious stuff, and I feel compelled to put a mark in the sand/grounds to say so.

One of the things now with shops in my area seems to be not serving ANYTHING decaf. I can kind of understand not doing decaf espresso because you need a whole separate grinder and group head and everything, and it tends not to be as good, but I don't see the big deal about having a little drip pot of decaf or offering it french press. Or at least have some goddamned herbal tea! But it's probably for the best, no reason to waste money at coffee shops at night.

are we tucking this cozy blanket over our feet tho?

You are if you're sleeping with me.

Acceptable because the only thing funnier than people asking for iced espresso is barisas getting all mad about it.

agreed! also this reminds me of this ridic blowup: http://boingboing.net/2008/07/19/murky-coffees-owner.html

also reminds me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtmOTYmVNII

"No. She is a criminal, I want to talk to her"

* MOST IMPORTANTLY coffee shops that make "iced coffee" by pouring hot coffee over ice should be burned to the ground so i can urinate on the ashes

― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:24 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

yah but is it acceptable to urinate on the ashes over ice

sometimes i make iced coffee that way why because it is easy

what's difference between iced coffee and thai iced tea? powder?

I have over the years veered into coffee-snobbery in certain areas...but til today I never knew that espresso shots over ice was such a verboten thing with certain baristas (stealing cream aside)

so having said that, I have a really dumb question: are coffee snobs saying that no-one should have iced espresso drinks at all? or is there an acceptable coffee snob way of making them that doesn't involve pouring them over ice?

I've never heard of a chilled espresso, but you can get a ristretto

ristretto's just short shots, how is that cold?

(imagine that phrased in a way that *doesn't* sound crabby, sorry dayo)

I'm sorry I meant macchiato

third time's a charm?

look can I just get a cup of damn coffee

I just meant macchiato is a type of espresso drink that's been adulterated, the bean has been corrupted

lol I misunderstood, I thought you were suggesting cold espresso drinks

tell me more about espresso over rice

It is? I thought it was an espresso with a tiny blop of hot milk in it.

This thread is kind of making me lol, btw #melbournecoffeesnobberyoblig

that's why I prefaced my post "I haven't heard of any chilled espresso drinks"

yes we've established that I can't read can we move on now :P

I just meant macchiato is a type of espresso drink that's been adulterated, the bean has been corrupted

― Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Wednesday, June 27, 2012 12:48 AM (15 minutes ago)

macchiato = maculation

'the espresso is the immaculate conception of coffee and latte is the devil's work' -- a coffee blogger

ice espresso drinks 50 cents extra at the coffee shop i go to near work.
but i tend to drink my own iced coffee that i make in my home.

also: iced red eye where do we stand?

people are supposed to drink espresso straight? no sugar nothing?? ????

I dunno about no sugar, but a lot of people I know will drink a shot of espresso black, sure. I like mine with the barest dash of milk.

vis: http://ic2.pbase.com/g1/22/530522/2/116837648.BQu2MPIM.jpg

P common way to have coffee where I live.

what's difference between iced coffee and thai iced tea? powder?

Thai iced tea/coffee has condensed milk.

people are supposed to drink espresso straight? no sugar nothing?? ????

Hope none of these barista snobs travel to Portugal. When you order coffee, you get something called a bica - an espresso with a sugar packet that's the size of a paperback book. Supposedly bica stands for "Beba Isso Com Açúcar" a.k.a. "drink that with sugar."

thread needs more pictures of small attractive coffees

Portugese death coffee...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Uma_bica.jpg

dainty

Looks delish!

I drank so much of that stuff on my honeymoon. Couple of cups, no sugar, and vibrate through the day without the sugar crash. Yum.

Vietnamese iced coffee (a.k.a. cà phê đá): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_iced_coffee

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Ca_Phe_Sua_Nong.JPG/800px-Ca_Phe_Sua_Nong.JPG

One of the few things I miss about Little Saigon were all the coffee bars that made consistently great iced coffee with the good stuff from Vietnam and not the slop with chicory added.

Abomination or no, I miss the ubiquitous Melbourne lattes in a glass. This was my first one in NZ airport after many years without :D

http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp201/sharonjoy666/4fd5d573.jpg

ohhh vietnamese iced coffee! so so good

HOTS OTM. Vietnamese Ice Coffee is the bomb.

my friend had a roomate who used to make us KILLER Turkish coffee for breakfast. That shit would make you levitate, god it's good!

I had a iced latte during lunch. Thanks ILX thread!

Vietnamese Iced Coffee is not espresso, it is perhaps the furthest thing from espresso. The calories from the ultraprocessed condensed milk alone is probably higher than straight ice cream affogato.

On the other hand, all over Spain (but most traditionally in Valencia and the Balaeric Islands) espresso over ice--"cafe con hielo"--is extremely common and has been enjoyed longer than Americans have been drinking coffee 1.0, don't even get me started on snobby baristas who started drinking coffee in the 00s.

~MakesTalk2theHandGesture~

Peter G.

Leif!

Drink what you like, I say. But if you profess to enjoying the excessively sweetened and fatted concoction known as vietnamese coffee, then I daresay you haven't the right to look askance at the man who orders his espresso over ice. Nay!

i think i've had viet ice coffee, thai ice coffee, thai ice tea and couldn't tell the difference because they all tasted the same: delicious

Basically you just really like condensed milk.

I'm not supposed to drink milk so I drink my espresso black though I like it with lemon peel sometimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdj_0-kA_4k

Vietnamese iced coffee (a.k.a. cà phê đá)

^ this poll option is missing

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Can one fine that tasty coffee over ice cream (affogato) treat in the U.S. of A? I would truly like to sample it.

I had an iced Americano yesterday.

if there is a restaurant in america that serves both espresso and good vanilla ice cream, go to that restaurant xp

i think most italian restaurants have one on their menu. i mean i think most restaurants will do it if you ask, its not particularly difficult.

once i asked the momofuku milk bar people to make me one and they did, it was good

Years ago when a friend of mine was managing an ice cream shop, we discovered that the best collision of coffee and ice cream ever was a latte with a scoop of Jamaican Rum ice cream in it.

There's a Tucson coffee bar called Bentley's that makes a dynamite mocha shake. Mandatory stop there whenever I'm around.

One of my profs always made me meet w/her at Bentley's and I wish I'd have known they had something besides overpriced bistro sandwiches!

I think I only ever got house coffee there, sometimes a cookie (why bcz poor grad student).

I guess, hypothetically, I could visit there without being forced to by a professor.

Never got a sandwich there... pretty much stayed with the old Greasy Tony's on 6th until it closed. Bentley's mocha shakes are like a coffee version of that special slush fuel used in the SR-71 spy plane.

ZS, in the current mid-Atlantic state of no-ac insanity, was this coffeeshop open? did they get requests for iced espresso?

Kind of with lex on this - coffee is utility first - past the obvious "should not taste like a small mammal has shat in my mouth" it is an addiction rather than a lifestyle choice.

^^^ Philistinism. Coffee is meant to taste good.

Times and tastes change. Mellow Birds used to make people smile.

It does taste good, it tastes of the voice in my head that says "You want more coffee now" singing a beautiful song for 10-15 minutes instead.

I love the taste of coffee. I drink decaf, and sometimes wonder why I'm bothering, but it's because I love the taste of coffee (even not great coffee; I will happily drink from the orange-topped carafe that has been sitting on the burner untouched for the last hour, although I prefer craft roasted, French pressed, etc. etc.). (yes, I not only had an iced Americano this weekend, it was an iced DECAF Americano (I just wanted iced coffee, and Starbucks doesn't brew iced decaf so that was my alternative).)

once i asked the momofuku milk bar people to make me one and they did, it was good

― max, Sunday, July 1, 2012 12:47 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I had a cereal milk/espresso shake once and it was oddly good. It was like drinking an entire breakfast.

I want to there so bad. >:(

espresso is dope

wtf & smh @ barista politics

Love this thread.

These entitled customers are unacceptable. Let food service employees take pride in their work for fuck's sake. The customer is not or should not be "king."

asking for ice isn't really entitlement

I have a theme song for every time I do this now and it sounds like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnVf1ZoCJSo&feature=kp

Coffee

Cof-EH-EE

Coffee

Don'tyaknowyagotto

SHOCK THE COF-EH-EEE

These entitled customers are unacceptable. Let food service employees take pride in their work for fuck's sake. The customer is not or should not be "king."

― Treeship, Monday, June 9, 2014 9:46 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i agree with this, the customer is def not always right, but not pouring espresso over ice bc "it tastes like shit" is insane. its not like throwing a fit when u dont get enough ranch at applebees

isn't a an Americano just espresso over ice?

No

no, it is espresso and hot water (and not waaaay different from a normal american 'cup of coffee' however prepared)

It's espresso with hot water

you should throw a fit when you don't get enough ranch tho

i'm ok with making customers shitty drinks as long as it's not needlessly labor intensive; dispensing ice is not a problem

so hot water v. ice....
does the hot water unleash a chemical or something that ice lacks

its crazy to me that ppl wont sell espresso w/ ice bc they think it tastes bad. im gonna try this at the place i go every day and see if i get banned or decaf

i guess i havent seen many applebees spreads. i want ranch! *bangs knife and fork on table* ranch!! *pushes everything off table in one motion and jumps up on it* RANCH!!!!!!!!

it dilutes the espresso so it's not as strong

espresso over ranch please

can you stir it in with a spoon for a couple minutes for me, thx

ranch icecubes

no wait

frozen ranchcubes

As a barista: over ice is fine. "that's too much foam, could you scoop it out in front of me while I watch" is not.

where the fuck is my RANCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh its on the side thanks so much

ok, seriously though, i've been drinking red eyes and black eyes for a few months and i switched to just espresso and feel much better...;'cleaner', sleeker, sharper. two shots in the morning two in the afternoon/evening

ranchspresso

it's not called that because they make it fast, it's called that because they concentrate the essence of the ranch by shooting high pressure steam thru it

foamy ranch

cappurancho

my sister pronounces it "expresso"

i ordered a latte in italy, and they gave me a glass of warm milk. so i just pretended that i meant to do that.

the customer should just pretend that they are fine with everything imo

my sister pronounces it "expresso"

― marcos, Monday, June 9, 2014 12:44 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/13/pics/13cchun3.jpg

The Italians say that cappuccino is only fit for breakfast and latte is only fit for babies, iirc.

I want to start a band called Dr Expresso and the Cup of Chinos

i think you just did

first record: Café Ole

American coffee snobs are like a bunch of weird organic grape juice makers who call their half fermented cloudy stuff "wine" and warn you off the vinegar they call "wine" in France.

As an American, let me say that post was "great."

A relative who lived in France for a while told me that the French view the nu-American coffee culture with disdain as "globalist coffee." I thought there was a funny irony to this, since coffee has always been a colonial product.

Being aware of where the coffee actually comes from is "globalist."

The Italians say that cappuccino is only fit for breakfast and latte is only fit for babies, iirc.

Well, they have ridiculous rules about pizza too, which America wisely ignores.

People who tell you that only 100% single-origin Arabica can give you a good espresso are morons who don't know how to roast.

You drink robusta espresso?

A relative who lived in France for a while told me that the French view the nu-American coffee culture with disdain as "globalist coffee." I thought there was a funny irony to this, since coffee has always been a colonial product.

French coffee is made from Old World coffee bushes that have been grown in France for hundreds of years

People who tell you that only 100% single-origin Arabica can give you a good espresso are morons who don't know how to roast.

― Three Word Username, Monday, June 9, 2014 4:54 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have literally never heard anyone say this.

Like there is not a single coffee shop/roaster I have ever heard of that does not use a blend for espresso.

great thread

coffee is one of those things where like orange juice i love the super rarefied pulped out single-tree fresh squeeze stuff AND thin gas station plastic bottle stuff

what would the sunny d of coffee be tho, that's still garbage

Folders and maxwell house

Folgers

The lowest of the low is Nescafé instant

Also 'sanka'

Weirdly, in Israel I had nescafe that tasted kind of good in its way. I was wondering if they make better quality instant coffee for that market since instant is more popular.

Trung nguyen makes great instant called 'g3'. In fact the best instant is Vietnamese imo. Haven't had Starbucks via yet tho

don't think instant coffee really captures the overt artificiality of sunny d (if my analogy is worth mapping out at all...)

these maybe? http://www.caffeineinformer.com/java-monster-coffee-flavored-monster-energy

Once on a really long drive on really low sleep I drank one of those starbucks doubleshot energy drinks and strangely enjoyed it. Since then I like to have one once in a while. It is a distant cousin at best to what I think of as coffee, but it perks me up and is tasty in a slightly gross way.

I saw coffee flavored coconut water at target yesterday

are you sure someone hadn't just barfed on the floor

I've gone in hard on coffee 'drinks' when in deep cover in china

It gets pretty dire

Bring some instant

http://www.drinkcococafe.com/

are you sure someone hadn't just barfed on the floor

When I was desperate in china I probably would have lapped up coffee vomit from the floor

http://starbucksmelody.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/IMAG6279-bottled-frappuccino-Starbucks-CPG-20July2013.jpg

used to buy these for before exams and got quite fond of them

the one with vanilla is a bit ersatzy but otherwise they are quite palatable, you could make the same thing at home by pouring cold filter coffee with skimmed milk and sugar into an old plastic milk bottle and shaking it up

Yeah I've leaned on the Starbucks frappe chinos before

Starbucks also makes this energy drink from 'green' (ie unroasted) coffee beans that really just tastes like a fruit spritzer

i have been known to down one of those lil starbucks espresso cans in time of need

http://www.starbucksrefreshers.com/

'Green coffee extract'

While we're confessing things, I like instant coffee.

oh those starbucks double shot espressos have been lifesavers. people who don't recognise that coffee's prime use is purely functional are weird, it's all about waking you up as efficiently and suddenly as possible

i don't "like" instant coffee but when i wake up i cannot be doing with fucking around with a coffee machine or cafetiere, i just want to go through as few zombie motions as possible and down something i think of as a means to an end so i can feel human

At a loss trying to imagine you boiling water

i once burned water

we've all zung waterface

I saw coffee flavored coconut water at target yesterday

― 龜, Monday, June 9, 2014 5:53 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yo i got this at 7/11 the other day it was ..good !

it says espresso on the bottle

after a year straight of thinking about this issue, i'm still sticking with ACCEPTABLE. it may be a very awkward moment for everyone involved when the service is denied for a customer who orders something that's tastes bad, but it's the shop's right to do it. if the customer wants to freak out and walk 3 feet down the street to starbucks and get what they want, then they can and should do that. it's not as if the customer handed over the money and then got nothing - in these cases, they hand over zero american dollars and get nothing in return. it's kind of like the thing where the 1st amendment protects your right to say all sorts of terrible things, just like it protects the right of nearby people to roll their eyes and say "what an asshole, wouldya look at this guy, jeezus, what an asshole" - if you're a coffee drinker who wants to order espresso over ice, and you're at the kind of establishment that is embarrassed at the thought of making that particular beverage, than it's probably best for both parties to go their separate ways. the shunned espresso-over-ice lover thinks "god they're elitist, and rand paul actually has a lot of good ideas!" and the barista who knows what she's talking about thinks "the customer has terrible taste, and i agree that rand paul has great ideas about legalizing drugs!", and they're both right - except about rand paul.

more generally, i don't agree with the ideas expressed upthread that restaurants are obligated to modify their product to meet customer demand. it might be appropriate for most businesses (esp. the ones that value return customers) but it's not compulsory and if an establishment doesn't want to do it, then they can choose not to do it. there's an excellent local thai place in DC that has a set menu. there are no options. you go in that day and you get what they serve you. if you're a vegetarian, tough shit (if you go on their meat days), and if you want more salt or you want A-1 or you're allergic to something and you might die, tough shit. people know that going in, and it's totally fine. upthread analogies to chipotle customization infecting our expectations in life otm

when I made coffee we wouldn't say no, but we would practically beg the person not to do it. it does suck a little, most places you don't get paid much of anything, but, unlike a lot of other poorly paid jobs, there's a real skill and knowledge base that allows you to take a fair amount of pride in it. you spend all this time and effort getting good at something, then someone wants to ruin it because they don't really even like it in the first place and want to be able to most effectively down it like medicine.

People who support people who ask for espresso over ice probably also support this girl http://en.rocketnews24.com/2014/05/12/chinese-student-asks-for-cooked-sushi-at-sukibayashi-jiro-gets-flamed-by-chinese-netizens/

The way to make espresso good if you don't like espresso is to order an affogato. Mmmm

^^^gets it

hot water and espresso........ iced water and espresso...... ... ...... .. .. . .

what if the customer wants a fish in the percolator?

Why do we unfreeze hot dogs. Why don't we just eat the straight from the freezer

hot dogs come frozen???!!

Granita al Caffe
Shakerato

Just two of the wonderful things italians do with espresso and ice. If a cafe wants to refuse to serve espresso + ice drinks that's fine but don't claim any kind of authenticity about it. And besides there are times for savouring a beautiful coffee and time for a quick shot of coffee. Sure there are nicer ways of getting cold coffee on a hot day (see above + cold brew etc.) but sometimes that's not called for.

^That. I knew we'd get some sense, eventually.

My regular coffee place is a tiny one-room cubbyhole with seats for maybe four or five on benches inside, and they have no space to keep ice. Occasionally it will get hot enough that the owner says 'fuck it' and goes to buy ice from the shop down the street, at which point nobody is judged for wanting an iced coffee. More likely to be judged for excess sugar TBH - except if you happen to be Turkish.

Tim Horton's from roadside stations is worse than any instant

if ppl want to ice their coffee then ice it up.

But sugar is an essential part of the espresso experience for many people, I've had espressos so bitter (in Naples not that it matters) that they can only have been roasted with adding sugar in mind. I don't put sugar in but I often macchiarlo as a way of rounding off the flavour with a little sweetness.

It's great living in a city that truly understands and loves its coffee without getting wrapped up (for the most part) in bullshit faux authenticity. That and being able to walk out on the balcony and smell the neighbourhood roaster most mornings.

I've got no problem with the drinks you've mentioned ed

But espresso over just ice seems like pure madness

sometimes people just want a cold drink. can the entire marketing budget of Molson Coors be wrong?

you spend all this time and effort getting good at something, then someone wants to ruin it because they don't really even like it in the first place and want to be able to most effectively down it like medicine.

surprise, people want to do their drugs like drugs.

I wish I worked in the kind of joint that cared enough about its coffee to refuse ice, instead of the one I work in now that is getting really stringent about the "45 second maximum" spent on making each drink.

tbh it was never about 'authenticity', I mean this was a coffee shop in Utah for god's sake, we just all felt that it tasted bad and didn't want to serve things we thought tasted bad

also we made the absolute best cold brewed iced coffee I've ever tasted

i bet don henley would make people drink coffee his way

Guy who owns my place lived in Melbourne for 8 years, brought unpretentious attitude back with him - to be fair, my friend was after three sugars in her cappuccino so owner was like 'are you sure?' but understood perfectly after she Turksplained.

I can't drink espressos (or any form of coffee sans milk) because it pains my stomach.

verrrrry late to this thread, but espresso over ice is extremely common warmer climes in europe (italy, spain) and south america. have had it served to me overseas many, many times and have seen other non-tourists enjoying the same on many, many occasions.

espresso over ice even has it's own wikipedia page in italian:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caff%C3%A8_in_ghiaccio

it seems like this is a particularly american hang up?

BOSCHK!

can someone check on how's life I'm p sure iron man just hit him

I've gone in hard on coffee 'drinks' when in deep cover in china

It gets pretty dire

Bring some instant

Omgggggg this is how I always feel in India, esp the remoter parts where my family's from. In Delhi there's a Starbucks knockoff and I would go there like three times a day. When not in Delhi I felt like I was perceiving the world through gauze. It was the worst.

I never understand why people get this way about coffee. I'm not a wine person, I'm partial to two-buck-chuck, I just want it to be cheap and get me drunk and not taste awful, which is why I never go to foofy wine bars, and definitely don't go into them and ask for an iced spritzer. but I'm not snidely skeptical of the idea that some people take a lot of pride in and have lots of knowledge and expertise about it.

not to project on to ilm type territory, but you can't have knowledge or expertise in what other ppl 'should' enjoy

well screw the 'should' part, if someone tells you what you should enjoy, fuck 'em

but if someone doesn't like the idea of making something that they feel is bad, because they derive some pleasure from making what they feel is a quality thing, why berate them?

idk, it's been years since I made coffee, I drink a pot of horrible folger's every day because it's free and I'm poor, but man, just let the below-minimum-wage workers keep their sad little pride in their jobs and go to the 100 other places that make coffee if you don't like the way the *snobs* make it

lol @ karl's rand paul bit

I'm a ridiculous coffee snob but I still use $5/lb Kirkland brand coffee at home -- it's 1/4 the price of Stumptown and at least half as good.

I can kinda cosign with Dayo's mainland China coffee frustration, but we didn't have too much trouble in Shanghai/Beijing. Taipei, on the other hand, had the best coffee culture I have experience outside, like, San Francisco and Portland. Awesome coffee in Taipei, everywhere. And for everywhere else while on the road: Starbuck's Via Italian Roast will get you through the dark hours of the a.m.

I'm enough of a snob that when I'm on the road, I grind up a bunch of beans ahead of time and bring one of those combo press pots/travel mugs. Works great and I have the psychic relief and ritual of guerrilla coffee making wherever I am.

Anthony Bourdain wrote a great essay on the aggravations that come from reconciling your own intent as a chef vs. customers who demand everything their way and how little things like asking for salad dressing on the side can set you off.

"You drink robusta espresso?"

I've had a 100% Robusta from Mokaflor that was really, really good, but I usually use a 20/80 or 30/70 Robusta/Arabica. There is a chocolate flavor and a pleasant thickness that comes with high-quality, well prepared Robusta beans that you can't get with 100% Arabica. (Well-prepared = aged and dried properly, and freshness-obsessed American bean tea makers can't do it.) A good 100% Arabica espresso is very nice after dinner.

(The number of American coffee weenies who will say "Arabica = good, Robusta = bad, single-origin = better" is uncountable -- it's not my fault if you don't get out of the office much, 'ting.)

Back to the subject at hand, I think it's fine not to serve espresso over ice (although the reasoning behind it is bullshit). More horrifying to me are the hyperpretentious US coffee joints that don't have sugar and act like they are objectively correct about it. So dumb. I drink coffee without sugar if I'm at a coffee store deciding what to buy or if I'm making the first shot or two with a new blend and trying to figure out if I'm doing it right, but enjoying coffee with a little bit of sugar is normal and ok and anyone who tells you otherwise is a dum-dum weirdo.

i am using this thread just to say: fuck all the new ritzy single-pour coffee places.

― pvmic bellvm (goole), Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:42 AM (1 year ago)

YOU DONT GET TO TELL ME WHAT TO DRINK

why are people paying $3 or more for someone to make them a cup of regular coffee insanely slowly? it is like that Mr. Show sketch where David Cross' character brings his record player to the donut shop

"You drink robusta espresso?"

I've had a 100% Robusta from Mokaflor that was really, really good, but I usually use a 20/80 or 30/70 Robusta/Arabica. There is a chocolate flavor and a pleasant thickness that comes with high-quality, well prepared Robusta beans that you can't get with 100% Arabica. (Well-prepared = aged and dried properly, and freshness-obsessed American bean tea makers can't do it.) A good 100% Arabica espresso is very nice after dinner.

(The number of American coffee weenies who will say "Arabica = good, Robusta = bad, single-origin = better" is uncountable -- it's not my fault if you don't get out of the office much, 'ting.)

I had a few bags of a lavazza blend that was like 30% robusta

It was pretty good

Never had a shot pulled from a robusta blend tho

I can kinda cosign with Dayo's mainland China coffee frustration, but we didn't have too much trouble in Shanghai/Beijing. Taipei, on the other hand, had the best coffee culture I have experience outside, like, San Francisco and Portland. Awesome coffee in Taipei, everywhere. And for everywhere else while on the road: Starbuck's Via Italian Roast will get you through the dark hours of the a.m.

Yeah Taipei has great coffee culture

Seoul has amazing coffee culture too

_I've gone in hard on coffee 'drinks' when in deep cover in china

It gets pretty dire

Bring some instant_

Omgggggg this is how I always feel in India, esp the remoter parts where my family's from. In Delhi there's a Starbucks knockoff and I would go there like three times a day. When not in Delhi I felt like I was perceiving the world through gauze. It was the worst.

Otm

The worst was when I went into a cafe

Had a spiffy brand new chromed espresso machine in full view behind the counter

Asked for a shot

'Sorry we ran out of beans last week, dunno when we'll be getting more'

!!!

i've totally turned around on that, sarahell. readurblogs.

inter-thread-poll: how many shots of espresso do u drink a day?
3 or 5

Pour-over is definitely a bit of a song-and-dance routine imo. The benefits of it are that you get a completely fresh, non-burnt cup of drip coffee. But it's irritatingly slow and made out to be some kind of art that it is clearly not. I make pour-over coffee at work because the keurig sucks and because it was cheaper and easier to deal with than buying a drip machine.

(The number of American coffee weenies who will say "Arabica = good, Robusta = bad, single-origin = better" is uncountable -- it's not my fault if you don't get out of the office much, 'ting.)

― Three Word Username, Tuesday, June 10, 2014 2:42 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Just off the top of my head, Stumptown, Intelligentsia, Counter Culture, Sight Glass, and La Colombe all do blends for their main espresso. The single-origin stuff is mostly pushed for drip/press. I've had some great single origin espressos with unique flavors, fwiw, but even the snobbiest baristas pull their shots from blends.

Robusta is another matter. I like some of the big European commercial espressos that (I believe) use some robusta in their blend. It's a different taste, but it's not a bad thing.

difference between robusta and arabica..... ?

robusta is just arabica over ice

ohhhhhh

They are two different species; Robusta is easier to grow and harder to process properly. Arabica is generally grown at higher altitudes and is more sensitive to weather changes and stuff like that. More caffeine in Robusta, and it gets a nasty burnt rubber flavor if you burn it (and a lot of fancy small US roasters burn the hell out of their stuff). Pretty much every thing else you will read in English on the subject beyond those basic facts is bullshit. That's due, I think, to a couple of factors including a lack of availability of good quality Arabica beans to North American roasters (they are available now but not being purchased), an interest of growers in selling the more expensive product, and, in espresso, the worldwide influence of Illy, who make a very fine 100% Arabica espresso which is very different from the bad ass espressos you'll get at Italian Autostrada rest stops.

I have the wonderful luxury of living in Austria and being able to get high-Italian blends from small specialists roasters inexpensively -- Lavazza's best is pretty good, but man, there's a whole wonderful world out there that goes beyond.

For Hurting's edification:http://www.coffeereview.com/article.cfm?ID=207 (Kenneth Davids is a very important, influential, and full-of-shit figure on the US fancy coffee scene.)

(and a lot of fancy small US roasters burn the hell out of their stuff).

Such as?

At least two of the ones you mentioned, in my opinion, but you like what you like!

If you mean Colombe I agree.

I have no idea where this fits in scheme of things either on this thread or in general, but lately I've been buying beans from a guy who roasts them in his garage in Atwater: http://trysterocoffee.com

If anything, I feel like I'm buying direct from a drug dealer.

Sounds neat. This is my connection: http://fabelhaft-moedling.at/kaffee.html

Would love to try more European roasters. Main reason I don't, aside from ease of availability, is freshness.

The European roasters, especially the Italian ones, often age and dry their beans before roasting, and freshness is not considered as important a factor -- that said, they also usually spend more on the packaging. If you can find a source, anything unopened before its sell-by date should be ok, assuming reasonable handling while shipping (which may be assuming too much).

Burn beans as in go for a darker roast or burn as in too high a temp?

I don't roast, but I think the complaint is that the US default roast is pretty damn dark, and a lot of roasters get there too fast and too hot. My experience is that a lot of fancy US blends taste burnt -- I think they're trying to replace some of the pleasant bitterness and body of Robusta, but to me it tastes like carbon a little.

IDK, it seems like for the past several years at least the trend has been toward lighter roasts.

Depends on what you mean by "fancy" I guess. There is a lot of bullshit in the US that gets labeled "gourmet coffee." Gift-basket filler, basically.

this thread is fucking insane

Yeah I was gonna say, most 'artisinal' and craft coffee connoisseurs prefer a lighter, city roast ime

You have the opinions of someone who has been living overseas for years

Pour-over is definitely a bit of a song-and-dance routine imo. The benefits of it are that you get a completely fresh, non-burnt cup of drip coffee. But it's irritatingly slow and made out to be some kind of art that it is clearly not. I make pour-over coffee at work because the keurig sucks and because it was cheaper and easier to deal with than buying a drip machine.

― Hier Komme Die Warum Jetzt (Hurting 2), Wednesday, June 11, 2014 4:43 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm a big fan of the pour over but not of the tedious performance art that sometimes goes with it. I'm not saying that all businesses should strive for Starbucks/McDonald's levels of efficiency but the place I used to frequent in Pittsburgh made a pour over occupy a single person for 5 minutes. Whilst the weighing of the beans and water was going on nothing else could happen. Monmouth in london get it about right, big row of little filters and run the jug along all of them when it's busy.

lol elvis what protocol do you use to contact your roaster

asking for ice isn't really entitlement

― famous instagram God (waterface), Monday, June 9, 2014 9:48 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

o look he posted itt under both his names

lol elvis what protocol do you use to contact your roaster

Twitter... "Hey, my garage door is open - come by for coffee."

I do this for my culture/to let them know what an ilxor look like when a ilxor tweet his roaster

xpost disappoint. i washoping it would involve several burner phones in shady dropbox locations

"Yeah I was gonna say, most 'artisinal' and craft coffee connoisseurs prefer a lighter, city roast ime"

Not with espresso they don't, and that is all I am talking about.

I will confess to the Eurotrash ex-pat behavior of saying "coffee" and meaning only "espresso" because I don't see what the fuss is about with the other stuff.

is an iced americano = espresso over ice?

no it's espresso and water over ice.

I still think it's kind of funny that people order Americanos in America, since the whole point of it is to approximate American-style coffee in a place that doesn't have American-style coffee.

I think that the particular discourse of complaining about iced espresso (obligatory "notallbaristas" joke here) would be better served in a coffee space where espresso and ice can interact with the complaint.

An Americano is going to have less caffeine than a pourover, but other than that, I too do not see the point.

Yeah I've never had a good Americano

lol howslife

Also Americanos save me from having to get out, use, or clean my French Press when I have normals over.

"An Americano is going to have less caffeine than a pourover" is the point

OK, I buy it.

Butter coffee trend divides coffee shop owners

http://dnainfo.com/chicago/20140627/west-town/butter-coffee-trend-divides-coffee-shop-owners

“It’s a beverage,” Wright said. “It’s not a meal replacement even though it does have a lot of the proteins and the dairy and the fats that your body requires.”

^^^ says a stooge on the payroll of big butter coffee

Countdown to fuckin' bacon coffee starts now. Assholes.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/ilovecoffee-img/uploads/bacon_coffee/bacon_coffee.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsbYx6hevoQ

haha

Then there is this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/dining/the-best-iced-latte-in-america.html?_r=0

I had the G&B iced latte, but it's way too sweet. More to the point, any place that A) calls itself Go Get Em Tiger and B) closes at 6pm can go fuck itself in the face.

Made an espresso shakerato with a 100% Robusta this morning. It was goddamn good. TAKE THAT, HIPPIES!!!

Am drinking Trader Joe's instant while reading this thread

my favorite iced coffee is made with this:

http://www.artfire.com/uploads/product/4/514/46514/4146514/4146514/large/cafe_bustelo_instant_espresso_powder_75_oz_jar_79ac1bac.jpg

Had melted butter with a dash of coffee this morning

Read whole thread for no reason. Made me miss Indian street coffee: shot of instant, plus a ladle's worth of boiling milk and sugar kept going in a nearby cauldron to kill any bacteria etc. Almost no caffeine but a pleasant sugar pick-me-up, plus the enjoyable slow-down of having to dump the mixture back and forth between dish and glass to cool it down. Made for a good 10am and 3pm work break every day.

misread & thought it said 'a ladies woth of boiling milk' lol

are you insane indian street coffee is the worst

if you can find something to appreciate about coffee with almost no caffeine you strike me as an absurdly tolerant person

you don't have to put up with coffee with no caffeine, Dr. Casino! what else have you been putting up with???

I was fine with it not having caffeine! Much more important was the structure it gave to the day, with the coffee breaks, conviviality, walk in the sunshine to and from the coffee stand, and something sweet to perk everybody up each time. I was probably at the lowest caffeine dependency of my adult life at that point, it was groovy.

Is there proper coffee shop etiquette for asking for certain food items, like when you order a muffin and they reach for the smallest one and you want another?

i think i could maybe have one or two cups of decaf a day without noticing i was missing caffeine, they couldn't be Key Cups, the cups twinned with Crucial Peaks, but a lot of the time i am just drinking coffee because i want to go get a coffee or to watch something pour or to control body temperature &c&c

like how there's room in life for shitty coffee, you are some other place for awhile, it is almost like a thought experiment

also ed you just ask for your dream muffin but sweetly

if you are kind and tip well they will always select the largest muffin for you

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I do it this way, if anyone cares (and also if no one cares): I make a double espresso with my espresso machine into a pre-warmed glass, add sugar to the coffee (a touch more than usual) and stir it in, put it in a cocktail shaker with 5 or 6 ice cubes and maybe a splash of milk (not necessary), shake the hell out of it for 15 seconds (the shaker will get very cold if you do it long enough, so possibly hold it with a towel), pout it through strainer (no ice) into glass. It is very nice indeed. This is a pretty standard Italian style.

Hmm...had an ice coffee in this shop and it was basically coffee with 2 ice cubes (?) I didn't know what I was expecting. Maybe more like the above.

I mean I do like coffee cold, unlike cold tea which is disgusting.

The problem with pouring coffee over ice cubes isn't this "shocks the coffee" silliness; it's that by putting coffee at its hottest directly on ice cubes and waiting for it to get cold, you are going to have watered down coffee before you start drinking, and the ice cubes are going to keep melting. Shaking and straining fixes this, plus nice frothy texture.

The shaker method still melts some of the ice into the coffee, though. Maybe use the stone "ice cubes" that some stores sell, though with that you may get the freezer flavor from the cubes.

make the coffee stronger

make icecubes out of coffee idk

Local joint used to do that for iced coffees

serve it in a frosty mug

could be coffee who knows
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I tried the keep a mug in the freezer thing at one point (for beer) but I noticed it picked up freezer flavor* that tainted the beer. I still do it occasionally now, but only when I can put the mug in 20 minutes or so before I pour the beer. Coffee ice cubes is a good idea but requires more pre-prep than a glass of iced coffee should.

* Now available as a band name.

I make my iced coffee in a walk-in freezer

tbh idk what a little bit of extra water from shaken ice cubes is going to do to an iced coffee i mean is it really such a dealbreaker

shaker method sounds p good to me

xp you could chill your coffee by pouring it over a hanging slab of meat and collecting the drips at the bottom

let gravity and a huge frozen slab of meat do the work for you. it's easy.

Am I missing some reason not to keep a pitcher of coffee in the fridge, and pour it over ice as needed...? Does coffee get ''tarnished'' by refrigeration or something?

Never as good as fresh brewed, but I do that sometimes.

I was making my grocery list for this week and the first two things on it are
- butter
- coffee

good NYT article

"opening the fridge to find a jar of concentrate is as much a part of summer as a nectarine or a Carvelanche. "

had a good toddy today

well a few sips of one anyway

xp quiddity material

The thing that annoys me about my coffee shop is that they don't offer skim milk. Yes, I like it better that 2%. So I'll only buy drinks with no milk in it there.

let's get to the really important question: do you sweeten your iced coffee with simple syrup or sugar? syrup is obviously more effective but for my money it's just not real iced coffee unless i've got a sludge of crunchy sugar crystals at the bottom of my plastic cup, in easy reach of my straw for sugary sippin'

Sugar. Sweeten the coffee while it's hot, then into the shaker it goes.

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Unacceptable ban coffee shop foreva

Lmao

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