Animated Creatures: ILX's top 100 animated films (results thread)

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Animated Creatures: ilx animation poll nomination thread (closes June 10th!)
Animated Creatures: ilx animated film voting thread (polls close TUESDAY JULY 3RD, 8 PM EDT)

here we go

PUMP UP THE JAM

#99T: Only Yesterday
aka Omoide Poro Poro
dir. TAKAHATA Isao
1991, Japan
73 points, 2 votes
http://i.imgur.com/bDma7.jpg?1
trailer

#99T: Vinni-Pukh
dir. Fyodor Khitruk
1969, USSR
73 points, 2 votes
http://i.imgur.com/TDv4g.jpg?1
film

that'll do it till tomorrow

sneak peek

PUUMP UP THE JAM, let's pump up the jam over here

Z S will you follow me around and blast that out of a boom box whenever I say something in real life? Feel like it'd be a real morale-booster for everyone

definitely!
i would love to do that, for real!

pump it pump it pump it

i'm really looking forward to these results, even though i didn't vote in the poll. i don't know very much about animated film, and i'm excited to check out all the stuff i've never heard of. *pumps up the jam*

OH GOD ABORT just realized one ballot wasn't getting properly counted let's check if it makes a difference to uh those two

yep, folks, those would've been 99T if I had not just fixed something; now they're tied for 104th.

If this had been a real emergency, you would already be pumping up the jam.

lol I get the feeling that the ballot is mine. :(

BUT YAY EXCITED.

no dude it was someone else's who didn't use my clever ID number system and I forgot to fix up their ballot when I was doing that, so when I was running my clever vote-counting program it wasn't getting counted properly. But now it is.

Glad you made the mistake, because I never would've known checked the Russian Winnie Pooh otherwise, that one looks awesome!

Since we're not going to returning to Only Yesterday, then, the wikipedia page on it makes it sound like a great leap forward of, er, bringing indiecore to anime. This is something that I'm sort of aware of as a thing - I'm curious if this is down to Only Yesterday, or whether it was always there just under the surface.

for real this time

no dude it was someone else's who didn't use my clever ID number system

was this me? i didnt realize there was some system so i just sent you a list of movies

#100: Little Red Riding Rabbit
dir. Friz Freleng
1944, USA
77 points, 3 votes
http://i.imgur.com/xFpcR.jpg
film

xp Lamp don't worry you weren't the only one, it's ok wasn't that big a deal. All is well, now!

I think I'm most interested in seeing the distribution of shorts:features. I had both but definitely weighted toward the latter.

Same, though the WB shorts went a long way towards balancing out my ballot.

Masterfully obnoxious rendition of "Five O'Clock Whistle" in "Little Red Riding Rabbit."

i really had no idea how to rate shorts vs. features, just tossed it all in and hoped for the best.

#98T: When the Wind Blows
dir. Jimmy Murakami
1986, UK
78 points, 3 votes
http://i.imgur.com/MH7HX.png?1
film

My sister claims to still be traumatized by this film some 25 years later.

#98T: Gandahar
aka Light Years
dir René Laloux
1988, France
http://i.imgur.com/QH8sG.jpg?1
film

(78 points, 3 votes)

(as implied by the tie I guess)

I love Little Red Riding Hood doing splits over coals.

When I was a kid I really liked the bit of Riding Hood showing Bugs Bunny the rabbit in her basket.

I thought I watched a lot of cartoons, but I've not even heard of any of these! Not a complaint, btw.

Wow, really, When the Wind Blows that low? I thought for sure it'd be in the top 20.

Oh man, Gandahar looks awesome, got to check that one out.

i was one of the three votes for for 'gandahar', dope movie, rad concepts

I'm a little shocked by Where the Wind Blows' placing, I thought it would pick up some notice from the Threads discussion in the horror movies poll. On the other hand, I can see it being a niche character piece and it's not exactly in the canon - Grave of the Fireflies at 98 would amaze me as a comparison.

I will nonetheless go completely ape if The Wrong Trousers, with all of those handicaps, places outside the top 10 :)

i'm expecting the unexpected, i think the canon has much less stranglehold here. i only voted for one WB short, for example.

i put The Wrong Trousers very high on my ballot but seriously dude you need to stop talking about it until it shows up

I intend to bring it up every time there's a film well-regarded in the UK and unknown in the US to compare it to. So, not until it shows up.

wallace and gromit are not unknown in the US

Gandahar is by the same dude as Planet Sauvage, yes? I had to cut that from my ballot as I've only seen clips and not the whole thing all the way through, but his animation style really is amazing.

Sad, I'm reminded that I didn't beg my pop hard enough to have him take me to see Gandahar when it played in theatres (as Light Years in the US).

#97: Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro
aka Rupan Sansei: Kariosutoro no Shiro, ルパン三世 カリオストロの城
dir. MIYAZAKI Hayao
1979, Japan
80 points, 2 votes
http://i.imgur.com/OoD1K.jpg?1
trailer

Wow, really, When the Wind Blows that low? I thought for sure it'd be in the top 20.

have never been able to make it through a full minute of this, lrn 2 read u heathens my seven-year-old self thinks

Have seen Cagliostro twice and still don't remember much about it, except that despite being straightforwardly cartoonish and not at all yer typical Miyazaki film, it was hella fun.

lrn 2 read u heathens my seven-year-old self thinks

I'm not sure what you mean here? As in, we should read the book instead and thus the film is worthless? Does that mean you've never enjoyed any adaptation ever? No matter how skilfully directed/acted/edited?

Um... What's the projected time scale for this poll?

Faster than it has been; my life is unexpectedly ridiculous lately. Progress shall be made.

All good, I was just wondering if the pace was deliberate!

#95T: 8 Ball Bunny
dir. Chuck Jones
1950, USA
80 points, 3 votes
http://i.imgur.com/Lh26o.jpg
film

#95T: Bad Luck Blackie
dir. Tex Avery
1949, USA
80 points, 3 votes
http://i.imgur.com/n65uK.png?1
film

#92T: Royal Space Force: The Wings of Honnêamise
aka Ōritsu Uchūgun: Oneamisu no Tsubasa, 王立宇宙軍 オネアミスの翼
dir. YAMAGA Hiroyuki
1987, Japan
82 points, 2 votes
http://i.imgur.com/pvJDD.jpg
empire magazine's jeff yogel gave it four stars, saying 'animation equal to anything from uncle walt'

#92T: The Plague Dogs
dir. Martin Rosen
1982, UK
82 points, 2 votes
http://i.imgur.com/g86ia.jpg
trailer

#92T: Bimbo's Initiation
dir. Dave Fleischer
1981, USA
82 points, 2 votes
http://i.imgur.com/S6ct3.jpg
film

Not seen any of that lot. Heard of Plague Dogs due to the Watership Down connection, but never watched it.

Wings of Honneamise is great; there's such loving attention to detail in the construction of its alternate Earth, and it's amazing they managed to produce a big-budget sci-fi movie that's essentially a slow-tempo meditation on what drives humanity forward. It's kinda like a anime counterpart to 2001: Space Odyssey, except that it's not boring.

and the trailer posted above says ryuichi sakamoto did the soundtrack!

Oooooh Sakamoto. Cool!

(Also: ignoring Tuomas on 2001, nyah)

The soundtrack is awesome too.

Plague Dogs is great, one of my favorite movies. But totally heartbreaking, esp. if you like dogs.

Now I am wishing I had had the time to vote in this poll!

#91: Kung Fu Panda
dir. John Wayne Stevenson and Mark Osborne
2008, USA
82 points, 3 votes
http://i.imgur.com/Mz99n.jpg?1
trailer

too low for Bimbo's Initiation!

I'm not sure what you mean here? As in, we should read the book instead and thus the film is worthless? Does that mean you've never enjoyed any adaptation ever? No matter how skilfully directed/acted/edited?

I'm slightly less hardline about this as a principle than when I was 7. but in this specific case, Briggs is so warm and inviting at first, and (as in all his work) the audience is drawn in so much by how much of a hand-made, one-creator artifact each page and panel is, with the colour so splotched and unblended; and then the adaptation hurls all of that charm away with herky-jerky motions and smoothed-out character models with dead eyes and iirc a really stiff clash btwn flat-colour figures and immobile painted bgs.

UGH I just looked at the first minute or so on youtube to check my decades-old memory and opening with real news footage! having him read TV coverage in the newspaper? crossing back and forth btwn film and cartoon! COMPOSITING FILMED SKIES INTO CARTOON BGS! him on the bus where Jim is animated by one person or team, the teenage couple on the other side are obviously animated by an apprentice team, rocking that 30's bouncy motion, LOOPING one second's action even though they then move afterwards, and the couple up the back being non-animated part of the background UGH UGH UGH

The Snowman can fuck off too imo (actually I've never seen it. I did see the Irn-Bru ad that parodies it, on the internets, though.)

I'm p mad at D&Q just for making their G. Jim GN half-size too tbh, I dig my Briggs

too low for Bimbo's Initiation!

Anyway I voted for it.

wouldn't have voted it so high myself if I hadn't been reacquainted with it by Jim Woodring showing the whole thing during a lecture at Sydney Opera House last year tbf

is Kung Fu Panda actually good

No.

kung fu panda is the first one where i'm really kicking myself i didnt get my shit together enough to vote.

don't blame me, i voted for Kung Fu Panda 2

the way i feel about kung fu panda is that if fern gully had come out 4 years ago it might've appeared here too

for the Tone Loc rap

Kung Fu Panda is one where I spent some time reconsidering where to put it in the ballot - it's shiny and corporate and it has a terrible sequel, but on the other hand it's flawless for what it is, it's funny and fat-positive and a great Kung Fu film made by people who clearly love Kung Fu. That trailer, though, is terrible.

Found The Wings of Honnêamise pretty dull tbh, protagonist a tool.

is the sequel terrible? charlie kaufman's involvement gives me certain expectations

8 Ball Bunny -- didn't find a decent YT of this, but damn did I feel the surge of memories, I couldn't believe how much empathy it elicited from me (well, there *is* the cute as hell penguin).

#90: Illusionist, The
aka L'illusionniste
dir. Sylvain Chomet
2010, France
83 points, 3 votes
http://i.imgur.com/HoFCg.jpg?1
trailer

The Illusionist also made me cry like a maniac! I really loved it.

#89: Allegro non troppo
84 points, 3 votes
http://i.imgur.com/bAopx.jpg?1
'Bolero' segment

oh and that's
dir. Bruno Bozzetto
1976, Italy

Ir's so good! It also made me cry! And get high!

'allegro' is amazing!

Will watch Allegro but I guess I should watch Fantasia first. (Was going to before the poll but didn't manage to get round to it.)

yay allegro! i didn't vote and i figured it wouldn't get in without mine so gj. the valse triste segment still makes me sob just to think about it

It has some sad stuff, it has some trees made of boobs.

#88: Animal Farm
dir. John Halas & Joy Batchelor
1954, UK
85 points, 3 votes
http://i.imgur.com/fKn9N.jpg?1
film

the idea that any aardman animation thing belongs on a list of the best anything is so bizarre, to me

I've now got "Animal Farm! Animal Farm!" stuck in my head to the tune of Beethoven's 5th. This is going to take some shaking.

the idea that any aardman animation thing belongs on a list of the best anything is so bizarre, to me

― thomp, Friday, 20 July 2012 16:53 (6 hours ago) Bookmark

how come?

i've never seen the 'animal farm' film -- is it actually any good?

#85T: Jungle Book, The
dir. Wolfgang Reitherman
1967, USA
86 points, 4 votes
http://i.imgur.com/oUxLU.jpg?1
trailer

#85T: Birds Anonymous
dir. Friz Freleng
1957, USA
86 points, 4 votes
http://i.imgur.com/qJ7F7.gif?1
film

#85T: Rango
dir. Gore Verbinski
2011, USA
86 points, 4 votes
http://i.imgur.com/W5esh.jpg?1
trailer

Rango has a fantastic opening but becomes pretty generic afterwards.

Wha'happen?

Rango finds a western town populated with Antz rejects and oh wait

sry guys here comes some

#84: Gertie the Dinosaur
dir. Winsor McCay
1914, USA
87 points, 2 votes
http://i.imgur.com/bcWdv.jpg?1
film

#83: Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit
dir. Steve Box & Nick Park
2005, UK
87 points, 4 votes
http://i.imgur.com/JiyHN.jpg?1
trailer (the creators of chicken run are back!

^ A+ screencap!

#82: Storytime
dir. Terry Gilliam
1968, UK
88 points, 3 votes
http://i.imgur.com/iDBIh.jpg?1
film

#81: Jumping
dir. TEZUKA Osamu
1984, Japan
88 points, 4 votes
http://i.imgur.com/I6ZZg.jpg
film

I love that illustration/still - I should prob put Jumping on my list, then

wow that's great. shame about the shitty youtube quality though as the drawing looks top-notch.

if you're seriously lazy skip to 5:50 in the gilliam for the crucial section.

Ha, I'm sure I'd already seen that Gilliam somewhere back in the mists of time. Pretty great.

Thank you ILX for sharing these last two films, which I quite very very much enjoyed.

#80: Secret of Kells, The
dir. Tomm Moore & Nora Twomey
2009, Ireland/France/Belgium
90 points, 2 votes
http://i.imgur.com/atpMP.jpg?1
trailer

Netflix version is unwatchable, unfortunately.

'kells' is very pretty and kind of breathtaking in spots but the story's kinda not that great IMO.

The story was fine but the visual style was what really stood out.

#79: The Little Mermaid
dir. Ron Clements & John Musker
1989, USA
90 points, 3 votes
http://i.imgur.com/UvVl1.jpg
trailer (WARNING: I did not download this from LimeWire)

Fine animation but I don't get why it started Disney's comeback.

It was well enough recieved, which was a pleasant change, but Disney is Back! didn't really start until Beauty and the Beast.

Fine animation but I don't get why it started Disney's comeback.

― abanana, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 23:23 (17 minutes ago) Bookmark

good songs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHwu_EyDOzk

#78: Rejected
dir. Don Hertzfeldt
2000, USA
94 points, 2 votes
http://i.imgur.com/d7NE8.jpg?1
film w/ text commentary

Kells left me completely wrecked at the end, tears streaming down my face.

Haven't seen it, but now I'm curious - - What's the deal with the netflix version, exactly?

No idea! I saw it in the theater.

SD and herky-jerky.

blargh! Well, I'll catch it sometime somehow then... I'm definitely curious now.

'kells' is very pretty and kind of breathtaking in spots but the story's kinda not that great IMO.

i feel the same. vikings were the best.

Kells was visually lovely and certainly respectable but it lacked even a hint of a pulse.

#77: Feed the Kitty
dir. Chuck Jones
1952, USA
94 points, 3 votes
http://i.imgur.com/HwNCT.jpg?1
film

i appreciate the slow unveil.

I'm glad because I am deeply ashamed about it! :(

maybe not "deeply"

it gives busy people the time to actually watch these things.

^^ so true

wish i had noticed/voted but greatly appreciate the youtube links to the few of these i don't know

Maybe this is a good time to mention: Ren & Stimpy animator/genius/cool dude John Kricfalusi was a guest on the Nerdist podcast on Friday -- all kinds of great stuff in here, including a killer story about an adventure he had with Bob Clampett. lots of stuff about the old school animators, the horrible 80's years, everything. http://www.nerdist.com/2012/08/nerdist-podcast-john-k/

http://vimeo.com/22166707#at=0

What's up with this poll?

I suck is what's up! Having a job is confusing and takes a lot of time and energy, I'm not used to it. I'm gonna close this out though, I promise.

*Just* watched the Winnie the Pooh -- OH MY GOD. So brilliant, and also exquisitely (painfully) poignant towards the end.

thanks so much for tezuka's jump; I was just discussing it with a friend. so good.

btw, everyone should see Barta's "Toys in the Attic" when it's on video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbI653ZQvYk

man I need to get back on this. This isn't the first time I've fucked up at following through with a messageboard poll! I'm serious! Life has been a bit chaotic though. Sorry sports fans.

leee -- do you mean the russian one or the disney one?

Russian!

hell yeah, i love russian winnie

kinda bummed it didn't make the top 100, but happy it came close enough to be included in this thread by accident haha

I'm not just an overly sentimental sap when it comes to toons, am I? Winnie is srsly affecting, yeah?

nah, they're gorgeous cartoons. you don't even need the subtitles to enjoy them.

How's the job going? How are the results going? How's anything going?

a friend posted this on twitter recently...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf1-_gfDTVg

Also recently found on a hidden web 1.0 page with several UK and European based shorts were in some sort of mid-60's competition.. Clips for Dirty Birdy and Wallace & Gromit were among the dozens of nominees. Years later, my friends found this with no context of what it could be about and we decided it was creepy as hell, and the 20-seconds of dialogue have stuck in my head ever since... "Come from there. Who's your parents? Don't know. Grew up in an orphanage." I just did 20-minutes of Google searching to determine the short is called "Ugly Head," and I've been wanting to view the entire thing since 11 years ago, just out of curiousity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkpP_U-hjD4

Seemed like a good place to put this?

http://blogs.indiewire.com/pressplay/250-great-animated-shorts-the-list

anybody want to find links to all those?

I'll do a few from bottom up:

The Fantastic Flying Books of Mister Morris Lessmore - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VljJIQuPDSE

The Silence Beneath the Bark - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXWc3aFrxCo

Here are the earliest 100 I could find, all in one handy playlist:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyZi9TJztc35agD-2tMIUmYX2f87polnz

If anyone can find youtubes of the following I'll add them in:

Spiritual Constructions / Seelische Konstruktionen (Oskar Fischinger, Germany, 1927)
Motion Painting No. 1 (Oskar Fischinger, USA, 1947)
Gymnopédies (Larry Jordan, USA, 1965)
The Seventh Father in the House / Sjuende far i huset (Ivo Caprino, Norway, 1966)

wow, nice!

100 animated-short masters in nine minutes:

http://www.fandor.com/blog/video-100-masters-of-animated-short-films

Obv works best as a spur to further research. (also that link http://blogs.indiewire.com/pressplay/250-great-animated-shorts-the-list# )

crossposted in tcm alert thread

it’s with great honor that I report to you that an hour’s worth of rare silent-era animation from my collection will be airing on Turner Classic Movies, *tonight*, at 12am eastern/9pm pacific. For this very special and long overdue broadcast event, we’ve curated several rare, once-thought-lost, historically significant or just downright funny cartoons produced in New York City between 1907 and 1926. That’s not all, though--TCM host Robert Osborne, with Jerry Beck co-hosting, are also presenting both Fleischer features, a block of UPA cartoons, and The Adventures of Prince Achmed in addition to the early NYC shorts.

It’s not to be missed! I hope some or many of you can tune in or set your DVR in time. Important links pertaining to this event below...

My guide to the early NYC animation:
http://cartoonsonfilm.blogspot.com/2012/10/silent-nyc-animation-on-turner-classic.html

Jerry Beck’s rundown of the entire evening’s broadcast:
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/classic/first-look-jerry-on-tcm-70817.html

Want to see more programming like this on TCM? Tell TCM how you feel here:
http://forums.tcm.com/thread.jspa?threadID=165828&tstart=0

The Facebook pre-party has been going on for weeks now! Join in on the fun, and see all the great images and comments that have been posted in anticipation this past month:
http://www.facebook.com/events/400697199995338/?fref=ts

Came back to check this out. I was introduced to so many great animations through these threads. Sad I didn't vote. Curious abt 76-1!

I suspect silby has removed bookmark on this thread :)

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md3nj9SmV11ry9dlx.gif

;_;

No reason he couldn't pass the numbers on to someone else to finish the results rollout.

The rollout reminds me of the heady days of ILC.

Does someone want to volunteer to complete the rollout? I seem to not be trustworthy.

Or alternately I can try to get this ship afloat again tonight. Shame-inspired mental blocks are a drag

Nah, I get it, dude. I don't feel like volunteering to take over the roll-out, so I won't contribute further to guilt. Any good Samaritans out there?

ok

#76: Red Hot Riding Hood
dir. Tex Avery
1943, USA
98 points, 5 votes
http://i.imgur.com/fQ5Ss.png?1
film

TOO LOW

gr8 comeback

(the poll, not forks)

yay, it's back on!

Never actually seen "Little Red Hot Riding Hood" before, or at least not all the way through. Pretty good stuff! Takes a few minutes to really get rolling but some killer sight gags along the way - love the wolf's contraption for giving extra applause and table-pounding - and the climax at Grandma's is a real outpouring of technique and excitement (even if the content itself is kind of misogynistic and gross).

Yay!

you think that's exciting

#75: The Brave Little Toaster
dir. Jerry Rees
1987, USA
99 points, 4 votes
http://i.imgur.com/ZD4Hl.jpg?1
film (inexplicably)

I DO NOT OWN The Brave Little Toaster
I DO NOT OWN ANY RIGHTS TO THIS VIDEO

Awww the brave little toaster.

Looking forward to the CGI remake from the folks who brought us the Chipmunks films!

Don't even joke.

sadly he's not joking

ugh smdh

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh

They specialize in buying old properties and giving them cancer.

#74: Bambi Meets Godzilla
written by Marv Newland
screenplay by Marv Newland
choreography by Marv Newland
bambi's wardrobe by Marv Newland
produced by Marv Newland
Marv Newland produced by Mr. and Mrs. Newland
dir. Marv Newland
1969, USA (?)
99 points, 5 votes
http://i.imgur.com/DFA9j.jpg?1
film

yessssssss
psyched about this comeback

So many timeless sight gags in Red Hot Riding Hood - sadly Tumblr/etc seems heavier on animated gifs of Red rather than the wolf's table-pounding, heart-thumping-out-of-chest, etc.

Bambi Meets Godzilla is so great; turns up in all sorts of weird places/anthologies/etc.

Thanks, silby!

Yeah thanks! Really looking forward to the rest of the rollout.

Same here, thanks for reviving it.

Hey so I found out that there are at least two more parts to the Russian Winnie the Pooh clip.

Wow, did anyone know this existed?
http://liquidtelevision.com
I'm wondering if MTV's responsible for this. There's some incredible stuff on here.

this might be cool... i didn't watch all of it. if it's bad i apologize.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRlmb0xAtBs

Got the next week+ off, if someone wants to hand the results off to me, I'll ask no questions.

If that's what you want to do with your vaca, I have no objections! If your webmail addr is defunct, webmail me, otherwise, I'll webmail you tonite.

#73: Fievel: An American Tail
dir. Phil Nibbelink, Simon Wells
1991, USA
100 points, 2 votes
http://i.imgur.com/aDm7D.jpg
trailer

cool to see this thread up again!

Open question: are there enough people around during the holidays for me to roll out the rest of results this week?

i'll be offline most of the week personally

i'll be around, but happy to wait.

i'll be around! :D

"An American Tail" was my #1!
[it was '86 tho, and don bluth directed :) the 2 dudes listed here did "fievel goes west" which was an ok movie]
it gets me happy whenever even 1 more placement gets posted here.

my #1 too iirc!

is that 50 points each? looks like we were the only 2. haha

I automated the lookup for movie info, so we might get some wacky directors, years, etc. Will try to post a few later today!

#72: I Love to Singa
dir. Tex Avery
1936, USA
104 points, 3 votes
http://i.imgur.com/IBZDG.jpg
film

Haven't seen An American Tail since it came out - when I was, like, five. MAYbe on video once after that but I doubt it. Does it hold up?

#71: Laputa: Castle in the Sky
dir. Hayao Miyazaki
1986, USA
107 points, 3 votes
http://i.imgur.com/fWefg.gif
trailer

#70: Emperor's New Groove, The
dir. Mark Dindal
2000, USA
110 points, 4 votes
http://i.imgur.com/hhqda.jpg
trailer

People like that film? Never seen it, always dismissed it as lackluster late-period Disney, unfairly it would seem.

Also big up Laputa, my favourite Miyazaki film some days.

TBH, I nearly fell asleep watching Laputa -- non-air-conditioned school auditorium during the summer, granted...

It's a straight-up thrilling adventure yarn, blame the heat.

Emperor's New Groove is a lot of fun. Glad it made it.

emperor over laputa is nuts

emperor's new groove is awesome. Leagues better than every other Disney movie from that era.

I doubt it reaches the heights of Atlantis: The Lost Empire! (Am I the only one stanning that one?)

FYI, next batch will go up tomorrow, seeing as we're getting some discussion the last few entries!

Thanks Leee, definite interest from me at least.

Caught Emperor's New Groove once on TV and ended up sitting straight through it. Don't remember a thing about it, and wouldn't watch it again I think but it was definitely a "Hey, wow, this is genuinely entertaining!" That was this period where there were really really clear lines between their "A" team mega-musical blockbusters and their "B" team screwball slice-of-life movies and the latter were pretty great IIRC - Lilo and Stitch is the other main one.

Laputa is great but definitely not my top Miyazaki. Great adventure yarn is right. The story elements are all exactly where you'd expect to find them and the characters are heartwarming in the right places and so on, but the design work, animation, and atmosphere put it over the top. Couple of spectacular set pieces. It also really convincingly sells the majesty, mystery and dreaminess of the mysterious lost civilization from the past; the robots are super-cool, all-powerful, but also fundamentally un-knowable, and that goes for Laputa itself. He doesn't rush you past it. Interesting to consider all that in light of the way he ended up playing the end of the Nausicaa manga, which takes a much dimmer view of the ancient, lost civilization, and the robot-equivalents that it left behind.

Couple of spectacular set pieces.

The robot casually eviscerating the Government fortress is THE Miyazaki setpiece as far as I'm concerned. Chills just thinking about it.

i'll be rewatching laputa this week i think and it's been years since my last viewing, but it's fondly remembered
emperor is just sorta meh

My fault for watching the Disney dub perhaps, but the kids in laputa were seriously annoying, the boy especially. Wasn't mad keen on the pirates either. Agree about the set pieces, and the wonderful design and mystery of the castle, but overall it was a bit too childish for me (as distinct from childlike, e.g. Totoro).

That was this period where there were really really clear lines between their "A" team mega-musical blockbusters and their "B" team screwball slice-of-life movies and the latter were pretty great IIRC

funnily enough Emperor's New Groove started out as the former before being redeveloped

Yeah, never watch the disney miyazaki dubs, they are always inferior

The robot casually eviscerating the Government fortress is THE Miyazaki setpiece as far as I'm concerned. Chills just thinking about it.

Yeah, exactly! Also the big chase at the beginning. I'm always wowed by the idea of people sitting there animating every shattered piece of wood flying up from the railway, etc.

I have only seen Laputa in subs so I dunno about the Disney voices, but the kids are slightly annoying in the original, again just for being sort of stock types more than for any other reason. OTOH I kind of lose interest when Miyazaki gets more and more into weirdness for weirdness's sake; Howl, for example, seemed to me to be trying to hard to throw lots of different concepts together in order to create a dreamlike melange, but coming out feeling forced and awkward. Just recently re-read the Nausicaa manga for the billionth time and I feel it pulls off a really nice balance between archetypes and a consistent unfamiliar weirdness and originality. I'm convinced that's his most compelling and unified work... a shame it'll never be half as well-known as any of the films.

Oh I might have to read the manga in that case. The film of Nausicaa is a wee bit dull IMO.

I would agree with that totally - it's probably the one of his that I have the least interest in re-watching actually. But it only covers maybe the first fifth of the manga, and that with a lot of the subtlety stripped out. The manga was a long, long-term project and had a lot of room to develop nuances, minor characters, people changing allegiances, all that, and the nature-loving theme sustains more and more challenges to its core. It's definitely a conversation-starter IMO.

just saw laputa in theaters - amazing, much more action packed than I had remembered! (for some reason I thought it was a more chill movie showing two kids chilling on a giant fortress]

Yeah, that and Cagliostro are the like, blockbuster Ghibli action pictures.

They're the only two with unambiguously villainous villains.

iirc The Emperor's New Groove is the one with the documentary that "disney doesn't want you to see" or something...
.. "The Sweatbox" is its title. I've never seen it though. Disney wins again.

Just in time:

#69: How the Grinch Stole Christmas
dir. Chuck Jones, Ben Washam
1966, USA
110 points, 6 votes
http://i.imgur.com/v6XY7.jpg
film
Chuck Jones interview

Now I just have to wait till the next holiday so that I can resume with the upcoming seasonally themed entries.

Oh I might have to read the manga in that case. The film of Nausicaa is a wee bit dull IMO.

I made the mistake of reading the manga first, then watching the film -- the manga's scope is absolutely jawdropping, it's on a par with Kirby's New Gods stuff, except Miyazaki had the chance to fully realize it. And for something done in a super-deformed style, IIRC it gets into some heady, nuanced realpolitik material. Or, what Doctor Casino sez.

Am I wrong in remembering that Miyazaki he only started the manga as a way to develop the film, sort of like Arthur C. Clarke and Kubrick re: 2001?

Huh, I'd never heard that! I know he took several long hiatuses from it - would be interesting to go back and track the manga against those gaps, see if there's major shifts in tone or anything. Certainly there are some characters in whom he seems to gain interest later on, and certain settings/large chunks of plot that are contained in the last sections...but they're also foreshadowed early. (Sorry if this is taking us afield from the thread topic - I just don't have much to say about the Grinch, sadly!)

I know the manga only from the old "Perfect Collection" trade paperbacks in four volumes...I believe it's been rereleased since then, maybe in correct/non-flipped order and possibly with a new translation? There are one or two places that I recall the old one being sort of stilted or just confusing (with regard to the two "emperor-brother" characters).

No need to apologize to me on not discussing the Grinch -- I just remember when I watched it that I sided whole-heartedly and unironically with him because I thought that the Whos were so ugly that they deserved privation.

Aha, my memory serves! Well, sorta:

According to the "Birth of Studio Ghibli" featurette, Miyazaki only wrote the manga because Studio Ghibli film producer Toshio Suzuki was unable to get funding for a film that was not based on a manga.[2] However, other sources tell a different story: Miyazaki started the manga on the condition that it would never be made into a film. He later agreed to do a fifteen-minute OVA, but Animage editors eventually convinced him to make an entire feature-length film.[3]

Yeah, there's a new 2-volume HC box set with non-inverted pages now -- don't know why I haven't even thought about getting it, considering how much I like it. Ah well, Xmas present to myself!

Anyway, I'll stow the Nausicaa talk, you know, in case the film version or any other Miyazaki ranks... ¬_¬

Though of course if you have more to say, don't let me stop you! Who knows if/when Nausicaa might reappear...

The Nausicaa manga is SO cluttered and storyboardy, not surprised that it was meant to be a stepping stone to the film.
glad to own it tho'. would like to buy that slipcover box.

"The making of how the grinch stole christmas" hosted by Phil Hartman is nowhere to be found online. Wouldn't mind watching that right now.

re: Nausicaa - "cluttered" i'll give you - there is a definite filling-in of every frame with detail, and some of the action sequences end up sort of hard to follow for that reason. Storyboardy...huh. I'll have to think about that next time I read. Not saying I'd disagree, just that it hasn't ever distracted from my reading experience.

well i have the smaller tpb ones, the 8x5 1/2 inch versions. Very cramped in that format.

Same here. For sure. Would love to see them at some huge folio size. I had one issue or so of the singles that Viz put out in the 90s, at standard US comic size - looked pretty good IIRC.

wow, i thought i would just watch a couple minutes of that mel blanc video upthread, and i sat there riveted and watched the whole thing. so good. i even teared up a couple times toward the end.

Merry holidays, yall.

#68: Ninja Scroll
dir. Yoshiaki Kawajiri
1993, Japan
116 points, 3 votes
http://i.imgur.com/jqLBY.jpg
trailer (NSFW)

i'm watching sweatbox right now (from bittorrent). pretty good! sting is such a wanker.

Woah, Ninja Scroll? Really? I admit I've never seen it the whole way through but I associate with, for lack of a better word, ''Manga Man Says...'' anime...stuff that was in a lot of rental places before anime had its bigger breakthrough later in the 90s, and which found an audience mainly on ultraviolence and titillation, like, woah, these Japanese cartoons have gore and swearing!!! But now I'm thinking maybe I misjudged it?

You're basically right in your judgement, plus it has a very straightforward and rather cliched story, but it's still entertaining, with great action scenes.

Yeah, there's a new 2-volume HC box set with non-inverted pages now -- don't know why I haven't even thought about getting it, considering how much I like it. Ah well, Xmas present to myself!

I gave up on reading it when it switched from hand-lettering (Orzechowski iirc?) to an early, insensitive, off-the-shelf computer font - does this "restored" version have improved lettering?

If memory serves, Ninja Scroll didn't make the official nominations list for the poll, so that's an impressive showing for a write-in! Haven't seen it in 15 years, but the borrowed VHS copy from a coworker functioned as a terrific gateway to further anime discoveries, as well as pulpy shit like OTT wire-fu and Riki-Oh. Good times.

Lots of animals coming up in the next batch...

#67: Princess Mononoke
dir. Hayao Miyazaki
1997, USA
116 points, 4 votes
http://i.imgur.com/dqY1W.gif
trailer

i love the gif; trippy.

Mononoke was my first Miyazaki -- didn't love it (the violence in the opening scene stunned me a little bit, maybe I didn't recover), sort of a remix of Nausicaa.

Remix of Nausicaa is exactly how I remember it. Haven't seen this since the US theatrical run. Remember it being great-looking but weirdly cold, with all of the characters feeling strangely distant and wooden. Would be down for watching this one again if just to marvel at the forest ghost stuff and things like that gif above.

saw it just recently; it holds up fairly well. "marvel" is the right way to enjoy it.

#66: Rabbit Fire
dir. Chuck Jones
1951, USA
116 points, 4 votes
http://i.imgur.com/k9R1L.gif
film

A+ gifs, Leee

seconded.

I know I've seen the one with that scene, but I couldn't tell you anything else about it. Most of the LT/MM shorts blur together for me.

LT/SS rather (looney tunes/silly symphonies)

no, i was right the first time. aaargh

Just watched that one, thanks for the link. It's about like I remember it from when I was a kid, maybe a little slower and less completely nutso? In my mind these things are always Daffy and Bugs just upping the ante continuously, getting closer and closer to berserk but it's a little more evenly paced than that. Not a negative, though, this thing has some great gags.

God, I'd forgotten what a delicious MORON Elmer Fudd was! He wouldn't be funny at all except that he really is simple-minded enough to be fooled by these jokers and their terrible costumes and tricks, it makes him sympathetic in a way that, say, Yosemite Sam never is. Great character.

Don't get your hopes too far up with the gifs, chums.

DC, the less-zany-than-I-remember thing happens to me with other WB toons.

#65: Porco Rosso
dir. Hayao Miyazaki
1992, Japan
120 points, 4 votes
http://i.imgur.com/NQ21g.gif
trailer

the pacing in chuck jones cartoons is always really deliberate -- the 'zany' stuff's more early '40s, when it was more explicitly cartoonish and crazy. there's at least three cartoons with that same basic plot but the one that always reduced me to hysterics was 'you keep out of this! he doesn't HAVE to shoot you now!'

Remember really enjoying Porco Rosso except for extended brutal fist fight in the middle.

just rewatched porco rosso last week; it's gorgeous and i love it but i ALWAYS fall asleep during the dream sequence

Have never seen! Need to keep my eye out for that one.

#64: Sledgehammer (Peter Gabriel)
dir. Stephen R. Johnson
1986, UK
123 points, 4 votes
http://i.imgur.com/YprzW.jpg
film

#63: Beep, Beep!
dir. Chuck Jones
1952, USA
125 points, 5 votes
http://i.imgur.com/PbdGs.jpg
film

http://api.ning.com/files/e9HWZjeuNesQRncKm8YlvkhZRzlajLwKhI75LDcXiHobRSRcyZJjgEiV16Zdpw1YTk8dCujQ0ehCCkNoGrlt6ovP*MCO*6eQ/Animal_Man_5__Jan__1989_Closeup_A.jpg

I need to re-read Animal Man.

Next batch: loads of Disney.

Animal Man is great.

I love Roadrunner cartoons. That one in particular feels a little funky; I think it's an early one before the formula got exactly refined, and before some of the iconic bits (like the super-slow fall) were even in place. But they're all basically the same in some sense. The format does have the problem of being fundamentally episodic, with each gag setting up, ending, and then fading to black before another one starts. In that sense, you could basically stick every Roadrunner segment in a computer and tell it to spit out a five-minute cartoon and you'd never know the difference except for changes in animation style and background painting. The cartoons don't really build and they rarely have much momentum or payoff; watching that one, I was surprised that the ending actually bothered to pick back up a thread that was teased much earlier in the episode.

Thing is, if the gags are inventive, the whole thing works. It's just enough of a premise on which to hang whatever bonkers sight gags and surprise pratfalls the writers could think of. You never are in any doubt that the coyote will fail, so they genius is coming up with a way that the latest ACME invention can fail that doesn't occur to you before it happens. Some great ones in that short, especially the one with the boxing-glove. And no matter how many times you see one, a well-made "imaginary train is real" gag will still do it.

Yes, the copy/paste nature of Roadrunner shorts is very formulaic, and hasn't aged particularly well for me (and "Beep, Beep" is the only one that I voted for). I also get the vague sense that as a child, I in fact rooted for Wile E. Coyote for some reason (partly because of my love of nature documentaries, which rarely featured actual roadrunners).

Sledgehammer is total classic of course.

Well, of course you rooted for Wile E. Coyote! He's the protagonist as well as the underdog. It's just like wanting the rabbit to finally get a bowl of Trix.

#62: Lilo & Stitch
dir. Dean DeBlois, Chris Sanders
2002, USA
127 points, 4 votes
http://i.imgur.com/H4Ib8.gif
trailer

This is a great movie. I'm not sure why I saw it in the theater, in my twenties - might have been the only appealing thing playing while I was home for the summer. Anyway, it just charmed the bejeezus out of me. Loved how anarchically destructive and nutso Stitch was, and how convincing the human cast was...Lilo is maybe a little precocious but it played well IIRC. "Oh no, that's from my blue period!!" I remember not liking it as much on the second viewing but I might have just not waited long enough in between.

xp For whatever reason "Beep Prepared" was up for an Oscar http://media.kickstatic.com/kickapps/images/66470/photos/PHOTO_12462082_66470_18660554_ap.jpg

xp Apologies if the gif is not from the right movie, which I've never seen.

Well, of course you rooted for Wile E. Coyote! He's the protagonist as well as the underdog. It's just like wanting the rabbit to finally get a bowl of Trix.

TBH never thought of him that way! Mostly because there seems to be an unwritten rule that predatory animals typically figure as villains (and the corollary, that herbivorous animals are the protagonists), and the novelty with RR+WEC then would be that this rule gets inverted.

idk that's like considering Tom the protagonist of Tom & Jerry films, or Elmer Fudd.

Lilo & Stitch way way too low, obv.

Wait, which one's Tom and which Jerry? Anyway, I considered the mouse the protagonist, at least!

I think Tom & Jerry and Roadrunner both do kind of interesting things with the protagonist/bad guy formula, but I am not really going to claim expertise here since folks here have voted for single episodes whereas I'd struggle to single out any.

But as a kid I always thought it was pretty evenly spread out whether you felt sorry for Tom or Jerry (though I am a crazy cat lady so I bring my own special variety of insanity bias), and while Wile E. is more obviously a Bad Guy he's more or less the focus of the show while Roadrunner doesn't do anything interesting except dash through making annoying noises and foiling plans - I mean maybe you don't exactly root for WEC, there's nothing about RR as a character to root for - whether you are invested in the coyote or the coyote's comeuppance, he is the character

(Wacky Races does this too, I guess, and probably many other things. anyway, like I said, it's been a while, so this may all be crazy talk. also pls excuse typos as I am too lazy to go and look for my glasses)

maybe daffy duck is a character who is more neatly placed right in the middle of the protagonist/antagonist continuum?

my son just discovered Lilo & Stitch so i have watched it maybe 50 times in the past month. great flick, holds up.

#61: Pinocchio
dir. Norman Ferguson, T. Hee
1940, USA
127 points, 5 votes
http://i.imgur.com/XkOo9.gif
trailer

Probably my favourite Disney.

Only 61?!

(I didn't vote)

I should see that again - I definitely haven't seen it since the 80s, and it's pretty hazy. Same story with Bambi, Snow White, all the classics really.

Warning: it's pretty fucked.

2nd most terrifying disney movie, only surpassed by fantasia.

http://la.gopride.com/c/I/22771-68318.jpg

i have to admit, i just got really scared for a second.

yeah i rewatched pinocchio a few years ago and found parts of it horrifying. can't really remember which parts though, besides when i was thinking about how much it would suck to turn into a donkey forever just for a little boozing and smoking.

semi-inspired by this thread i watched grave of the fireflies last night, now that's what i call horrifying. but also beautiful. the scene with the fireflies inside their mosquito net especially. in my retroactive vote for this poll i put it top 10 somewhere i guess.

#60: Transformers: The Movie, The
dir. Nelson Shin
1986, USA
129 points, 4 votes
http://i.imgur.com/ZIJnV.png
touch
film (have at it nerds)

I liked the toys, but I never cared for Marvel's space alien war story.

what about Furman?

i've never enjoyed transformers but i'm open to conversion. if i'm going to blaze and watch one transformers flick, is it this one?

this is the only one iirc

Orson Welles' last work!

#59: Der Fuehrer's Face
dir. Jack Kinney
1942, USA
130 points, 3 votes
http://i.imgur.com/QVqvS.jpg
film (caution: swastikas everywhere, yellowface)

#58: Alice in Wonderland
dir. Clyde Geronimi, Wilfred Jackson, Hamilton Luske
1951, USA
130 points, 5 votes
http://i.imgur.com/Cea5a.jpg
trailer

Next three have Japanese flavor.

#57: Millennium Actress
dir. Satoshi Kon
2001, Japan
133 points, 4 votes
http://i.imgur.com/pDxAt.jpg
trailer

just watched Alice the other day, such an awesome, visually imaginative movie

Millennium Actress is soooooo good, really need to rewatch that soon. sad that Dreaming Machine might never see the light of day though.

How does MA compare with Paprika (the lone Satoshi Kon I've seen)?

#56: Grave of the Fireflies
dir. Isao Takahata
1988, Japan
133 points, 4 votes
http://i.imgur.com/tBCcv.jpg
film

#55: Lion King, The
dir. Roger Allers, Rob Minkoff
1994, USA
137 points, 4 votes
http://i.imgur.com/QGsuT.png
trailer

xxpost
Paprika is hands down better visually, Millennium Actress though for me was a much better story.

Lion King placing higher than Pinocchio is straight up travesty.

Yeah, I watched Lion King on a plane last year and I don't think it's held up that well. The animation still looks great, and there's some good songs, but the basic plot is hackneyed and IMO a bit rushed in the key places - Simba's growing-up has to happen basically all at once. Plus I think all the blood-as-destiny "true king" type stuff is on the dicey side, and Timon and Pumbaa are sort of the harbingers of all Dreamworksian fart joke animation.

the basic plot is Hamlet iirc but on the other hand I don't really buy it

I definitely don't think it's fair to blame the crimes of Dreamworks Animation on Timon & Pumbaa though!

i don't get why all the animals work for the lions

Yeah, it's definitely Kimba + Hamlet except instead of tragic dithering, Hamlet's just kind of a sulky responsibility-shirking teen...who then suddenly isn't, and saves the day! Guilt trip angle from his childhood buddy turned sweetheart is okay as far as it goes but I still feel like there's a missing step on his journey. And yeah, the politics bug me.

the politics are fucked up on several levels

Glad to see Millennium Actress and hope it isn't the last Kon. Personally I found Paprika his weakest film, it felt too much like a "typical anime" despite the amazing visuals.

MA was good but perfect blue was better

Next five are all Anglophone and from five different directors.

Yeah, I watched Lion King on a plane last year and I don't think it's held up that well. The animation still looks great, and there's some good songs, but the basic plot is hackneyed and IMO a bit rushed in the key places - Simba's growing-up has to happen basically all at once. Plus I think all the blood-as-destiny "true king" type stuff is on the dicey side, and Timon and Pumbaa are sort of the harbingers of all Dreamworksian fart joke animation.

― Doctor Casino, Monday, December 31, 2012 4:44 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's lol that every other movie i'm like "i just watched this with my kid" but i did and you are otm, has aged pretty poorly. don't even really care for the animation that much tbh.

Don't think you'll be watching this next one with your kid any time soon:

#54: Beavis and Butthead Do America
dir. Mike Judge, Mike de Seve, Yvette Kaplan, Brian Mulroney
1996, USA
138 points, 5 votes
http://i.imgur.com/zzIaV.gif
clip

true. wtf is wrong w/ people who voted for this, movie is not a fraction as good as any episode of B&B, this isn't the South Park movie or somethin

#53: Rabbit of Seville, The
dir. Chuck Jones
1950, USA
139 points, 5 votes
http://i.imgur.com/uOOgN.png
film

#52: Close Shave, A (Wallace and Gromit)
dir. Nick Park
1995, UK
140 points, 5 votes
http://i.imgur.com/xV665.jpg
review

#51: It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown
dir. Bill Melendez
1966, USA
141 points, 4 votes
http://i.imgur.com/GVAFE.jpg
clip

#50: Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
dir. Eric Radomski, Bruce W. Timm
1993, USA
142 points, 4 votes
http://i.imgur.com/b7b6X.jpg
clip

Okay, this is playing in NYC for free and looks abundantly weird: a korean take on finding nemo where all the fish are in concentration camps and eaten
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIFy35o1Vwg
http://www.koreanculture.org/?document_srl=37770
http://www.koreanculture.org/files/attach/images/109/770/037/PADAK_s_1.jpg
"gesture of hope that sets you free"

Lion King placing higher than Pinocchio is straight up travesty.

― Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Monday, December 31, 2012 9:27 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

i didn't vote but yeah, jesus christ. I consider Pinocchio to be the greatest Disney movie ever by a considerable distance though

Okay, goddamn: i'm probably gonna have to see Padak: Sushi Apocalypse.
This is the video to the movie's original theme, "Nightmare" by Kim Hyeon-Ji
http://www.hancinema.net/video.php?table=film&id=29240

Hmm, Rabbit of Seville was my #1... did my ballot not get counted? I'll still watch the countdown, but will have to do my own tallying where everything cool moves up, like, twenty points.

Can't speak for silby, but I reckon it was counted; he doesn't list the number of first place votes, if that's your concern.

Phantasm one of the best Timm offerings imo, action set pieces are awesome, unexpectedly good romance angle, best motion adaptation of origin that has added bonus of having nothing to do with Year One. Plus, typically great Joker involvement. Operatic. May be my favorite Batfilm, full stop.

#49: Waltz With Bashir
dir. Ari Folman
2008, Israel
144 points, 5 votes
http://i.imgur.com/dMHrV.jpg
trailer

i don't remember if i voted for waltz w/ bashir, but if i forgot it was a huge oversight. such an intense film.

i guess this is also a good place to mention that the rabbi's cat is really really good and would've been way up on my ballot if i had seen it before this poll

#48: Charlotte's Web
dir. Charles A. Nichols, Iwao Takamoto
1973, USA
144 points, 5 votes
http://i.imgur.com/NacC3.jpg
trailer

#47: Grand Day Out (Wallace and Gromit)
dir. Nick Park
1989, UK
145 points, 5 votes
http://i.imgur.com/v7mMF.jpg
trailer

#46: Your Face
dir. Bill Plympton
1987, USA
148 points, 4 votes
http://i.imgur.com/rnStV.jpg
film

quite interesting. i must check out his other works.

plympton is awesome, load up

#45: Wizard of Speed and Time, The
dir. Mike Jittlov
USA, 1979
151 points, 6 votes
http://i.imgur.com/v3D9P.jpg
film

#44: Dumbo
dir. Samuel Armstrong, Norman Ferguson, Wilfred Jackson, Jack Kinney, Bill Roberts, Ben Sharpsteen, John Elliotte
1941, USA
156 points, 5 votes
http://i.imgur.com/5gUHY.jpg
pink elephants

#43: Scanner Darkly, A
dir. Richard Linklater
2006, USA
158 points, 6 votes
http://i.imgur.com/2dTKj.jpg
trailer

#42: Waking Life
dir. Richard Linklater
2001, USA
160 points, 5 votes
http://i.imgur.com/o0hFP.jpg
trailer

#41: Monsters, Inc.
dir. Pete Docter, David Silverman
2001, USA
162 points, 6 votes
http://i.imgur.com/VKDP3.jpg
trailer

High placing for WoS&T shows what a little repping in the pre-threads will do.

#44: Dumbo

http://www.wichitasedgwickcountycrimestoppers.com/CrimeTapeSmall.jpg

Eric OTM. My favorite classic Disney.

High placing for WoS&T shows what a little repping in the pre-threads will do.

― emil.y, Friday, January 4, 2013 11:35 AM (5 minutes ago)

*struts a bit, in my mind*

waking life really? *pukes all over the thread*

again, Dumbo above Pinocchio is insane. Came out a year after and feels like a b team effort

It's not as good as Pinocchio, but it's a perfectly formed little film.

i like dumbo a lot more than pinnochio.

*shrugs*

Dumbo is the single greatest Disney film ever, crows aside (or maybe not even aside; they seem to embody a certain running constant of -ism under Disney's surface).

I'd rather watch Dumbo. The only terrifying part is the drunk-sequence.

I can't believe those Linklater films placed that high. Crazy shit.

Waking Life was pretty cool to see as a college freshman or whatever, can't imagine it holding up at all. Some cool bits in the animation I guess? A Scanner Darkly was weeeeeak IMO, although I have to say I can't really remember anything about what happens in it, just left the theater thinking "meh."

Monsters, Inc., on the other hand, is just lovely.

wizard of speed is dope, never seen it

effects are amazing - running past the train wtf ftw - song is lame tho

bill plympton is so awesome -- did y'all see the simpsons couch gag he animated last year!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFbdcObHHSU

sweet!

so happy Your Face is in this list!

#40: Porky in Wackyland
dir. Robert Clampett
1938, USA
166 points, 7 votes
http://i.imgur.com/QK5PO.jpg
film

bill plympton is so awesome -- did y'all see the simpsons couch gag he animated last year!?

Best Simpsons-related thing in what, 8 years?

#39: Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind
dir. Hayao Miyazaki
1984, Japan
170 points, 5 votes
http://i.imgur.com/nDplV.jpg
trailer (best ever, apparently)

Now we can resume are previous Nausicaa talk! (The boxset manga arrived this week, btw. It's hueg.)

Nausicaa that high? Remind me what other Miyazaki have placed, I'm sure there've been some superior ones.

97: Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro
71: Laputa: Castle in the Sky
67: Princess Mononoke
65: Porco Rosso
39: Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind

seems pretty standard, with Spirited Away & Totoro (& maybe Kiki) still to place?

I like all those other films better than Nausicaa.

(mostly agree w/ chap)

#38: Ghost in the Shell
dir. Mamoru Oshii
1995, Japan
173 points, 6 votes
http://i.imgur.com/GOzcj.png
clip

http://24.media.tumblr.com/8487d998273a44ccb8b7a412f005f325/tumblr_mfph1ge0uv1qbypg1o1_500.gif

#37: Watership Down
dir. Martin Rosen
1978, UK
179 points, 5 votes
http://i.imgur.com/1WkGU.jpg
film

#36: Toy Story 3
dir. Lee Unkrich
2010, USA
188 points, 7 votes
http://i.imgur.com/Og2z8.jpg
trailer

Watership Down is way too low.

Is it the one where humans have all killed each other in war, leaving stewardship of the planet to a bunch of anthropomorphized critters?

Haha, not quite, no.

That's "Peace on Earth". http://youtu.be/d8stkqssLYc

#35: Ratatoullie
dir. Brad Bird, Jan Pinkava
2007, USA
188 points, 7 votes
http://i.imgur.com/NW00S.gif
trailer

#34: Finding Nemo
dir. Andrew Stanton, Lee Unkrich
2003, USA
193 points, 7 votes
http://i.imgur.com/xKopY.jpg
trailer

That post-apocalyptic toon where the owl reads the Bible has been bugging me for years.

I need to rewatch gohst in the shell

Love Ghost in the Shell, though first time I watched it I hated it. Gets better with each rewatch. As far as "conventional" anime canon (i.e. action/SF), probably my favorite.

#33: Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
dir. William Cottrell, David Hand, Wilfred Jackson, Larry Morey, Perce Pearce, Ben Sharpsteen
1937, USA
199 points, 6 votes
http://i.imgur.com/4M0nf.jpg
trailer

#32: Creature Comforts
dir. Nick Park
UK, 1989
199 points, 7 votes
http://i.imgur.com/kkJCv.jpg
trailer

#31: Fantastic Mr. Fox
dir. Wes Anderson
2009, USA
205 points, 7 votes
http://i.imgur.com/c9HNt.jpg
trailer

Creature Comforts YES. Ratatouille NO. Ok maybe watching it in the back of a car sandwiched between two toddlers wasn't the best environment but the 'rat driving chef by pulling his hair' schtick didn't really work for me, 'restaurant owner sacrificing reputation for ready meal millions' plot was lame, 'main character turns out by quirk of fate to be heir to restaurant' made me rmde. Didn't even see the end of the film, didn't care. Ghost in the Shell I saw not so long ago but can't remember what I thought of it, which probably means I didn't think too much of it.

Creature Comforts is the best thing Nick Park ever did imo.

Is that not a tie for #33?

This reads a bit like a superposition of different polls (Classic Disney / Modern Disney / Pixar / "proper" films that are animated / Worker & Parasite), but even within that WTF is Ratatouille doing within 5 points of Finding Nemo?

Worker & Parasite

kudos.

Nausicaa is less cloyingly childish than Laputa but it's hard to care too much about the Ohmu. Little fox-squirrel is adorable though.

ledge = heartless restaurant reviewer (IE secret hero of the film) is served dish of modern nouvelle cuisine ratatouille which causes him to remember his time as a child in the countryside and this Proustian rush saves everything except there's some more bullshit then the end.

#30: Alice
dir. Jan Svankmajer
1988, Czechoslovakia
207 points, 7 votes
http://i.imgur.com/dBtts.jpg
film

Ratatouille rules, revisionist contrarians drool!

#29: Secret of NIMH, The
dir. Don Bluth
1982, USA
208 points, 6 votes
http://i.imgur.com/0UGsn.jpg
trailer

#28: Kiki's Delivery Service
dir. Hayao Miyazaki
1989, Japan
209 points, 7 votes
http://i.imgur.com/PBKIi.gif
trailer

#27: Robin Hood Daffy
dir. Chuck Jones
1958, USA
209 points, 7 votes
http://i.imgur.com/UFrpl.jpg
film

#26: Perfect Blue
dir. Satoshi Kon
1997, Japan
227 points, 6 votes
http://i.imgur.com/vgGN1.jpg
trailer

Ratatouille rules, revisionist contrarians drool!

Here, here.

Next 3 surprisingly Eurocentric, followed by 2 Yankee usual suspects (to be posted tomorrow).

perfect blue is so perfect

Lol pun.

Just found out that SPOILER Satoshi Kon died a few years back. ;_; RIP

Kon was a genius, died too soon

Ah, good to see some Svankmajer. Not a big fan of Kiki, but mainly because it is so much *for children* in comparison to other Miyazaki works - this doesn't mean it's a bad film, just not for me. Perfect Blue I voted for and loved when I saw it but it could benefit from a re-watch to bump my memory. Sad about Satoshi Kon, Paprika was also on my ballot.

yeah looks like paprika is going to place pretty highly? deservedly so imo

I'm not saying it's no good, I'm saying it's not within 5 points of Finding Nemo.

people who liked Kon films should really check out his TV series Paranoia Agent, amazing stuff.
i guess there are not going to be any Makoto Shinkai or Mamoru Hosoda films in the top 100, i would have voted for some if i had noticed this poll in time :(

So happy to see Perfect Blue here, and at a good position too. I voted it pretty high in my horror poll, and it got absolutely nowhere. It's probably my favourite Kon work, perhaps simply because the (psychological thriller) genre is most up my alley. Kon had so much more to do - his death still stings like crazy.

Secret of NIMH is an old fave, and Kiki's Delivery Service was the first Ghibli film I watched with my niece (needless to say, she insisted on seeing more over the next few weeks).

Paranoia Agent opening = classic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-anabfAg06U

'Alice is a fantastic, in the literal sense, piece of work and deservedly placed high. The narration though nearly derails the work. I understand there's some fan-edits which excises a lot of the 'said thhe Mad Hatter', although I'd love to be some purist backing the director's vision I can't help but think that Svankmajer got that wrong.

I like the "said the Mad Hatter" stuff

Kiki's Delivery Service is my favorite Ghibli and one of my favorite films period. I really think it's just about perfect. Even the way the hairs on the brooms stick out is dead-on.

Haven't seen Nemo or Ratatouille, have heard good things about both, somewhat more interested in the latter as Nemo's stills seem to kinda all look the same - underwater, bright-colored fish. Yeah, dunno. Haven't seen NIMH since I was a kid, read the book once as an adult though and was really impressed with how much cool stuff was going on in there.

have never really understood the respect for 'nimh' -- it obv stands out in bluth's otherwise awful career but it's pretty weak compared to the book imo. we watched it in fifth grade right after reading the novel and the contrast was pretty strong even for kids.

woah woah woah bluth's otherwise awful career??? au contraire!

I've never read the book but I watched NIMH so many times as a kid

his best work was his video games imho

the book is absolutely superior to the movie

"I have lived in this tree, in this same hollow," the owl said, "for more years than anyone can remember. But now, when the wind blows hard in winter and rocks the forest, I sit here in the dark, and from deep down in the bole, down near the roots, I hear a new sound. It is the sound of strands of wood creaking in the cold and snapping one by one. The limbs are falling; the tree is old, and it is dying. Yet I cannot bring myself, after so many years, to leave, to find a new home and move into it, perhaps to fight for it. I, too, have grown old. One of these days, one of these years, the tree will fall, and when it does, if I am still alive, I will fall with it."

Pretty sure I have seen the NIMH movie, but remember nothing about it. The books were great, though.

injection of mysticism in the movie is kind of annoying/unnecessary

Yeah I wrote off ever watching it for that reason. Loved the decidedly unmystical book, sometimes wonder if I should retread it, but you can never go back.

it runs almost entirely counter to the main thrust of the narrative, which is WHOAH SCIENCE

Reread, I don't tread on books. Xp exactly!

Love discussion picking up, pouring 40 for silby.

Andrew, you're saying that Nemo is significantly better than Rat? If only for the Proustian rush at the end, Ratatouille ranks ahead of Nemo. Brought such a huge surge of emotion to me when I watched it, and I'm the exact opposite of a foodie.

Doctor Casino, I am stunned that you haven't seen the last two ranking Pixar films. :o

Will put Paranoia Agent onto my queue.

Realized I won't be able to post tomorrow...

#25: Yellow Submarine, The
dir. George Dunning
1968, UK
230 points, 7 votes
http://i.imgur.com/cxriC.jpg
trailer

#24: Persepolis
dir. Vincent Paronnaud, Marjane Satrapi
2007, France
236 points, 8 votes
http://i.imgur.com/xJpXO.jpg
trailer

#23: Fantastic Planet
dir. René Laloux
1973, France
239 points, 6 votes
http://i.imgur.com/asjqf.jpg
trailer

#22: Charlie Brown Christmas, A
dir. Bill Melendez
1965, USA
243 points, 8 votes
http://i.imgur.com/7H6Vw.jpg
meaning of Christmas

#21: Duck Dodgers in the 24½th Century
dir. Chuck Jones
1953, USA
248 points, 9 votes
http://i.imgur.com/uIzMo.jpg
film

Persepolis is perfectly nice, but... huh?

That's all folks for now, how do y'all want the top 20 unveiling to go?

Xp agreed.

Really well! Good luck!

paranoia agent is awesome!!

I would like the top 20 to be done via a flipbook

I'm still alive, Leee but yr pour is appreciated

Persepolis is crap wtf people

is the animation crappy? or the acting? thought the books were pretty good!

I saw Persepolis, but I can't remember anything about it other than that the grandmother put flower petals next to her tits for effect.

Loved the Persepolis comic, never got around to the movie, just seemed like it'd be the filmed version of what I read, or does it do anything particular to surpass that? Kind of surprised it would rank above Snow White and all these other things.

Yellow Submarine is kind of a lumpy, awkwardly-flowing film but there is some great imagination in it and cool animation when it's not just the weird too-smooth rotoscoped human movements. And obviously, great music.

Fantastic Planet looks awesome! Will throw that on the to-do list.

kiki's "fly" = walter white's "run"

also persepolis is fatuous, pretty meh

it's no rabbi's cat

I wouldn't call Persepolis bad -- it's a good adaptation of the comic, though it does add a pretty large event from Satrapi's life that I believe she elides in the comic, apart from which, it's a good film.

'duck dodgers' was my no. 1. 'charlie brown xmas' was no. 3 i think -- still awkward, sad, and moving after all these years.

'persepolis' is just fine, it made my list pretty easily.

i saw 'fantastic planet' for the first time with abbottt and viceroy last year and it blew me away. pretty much every frame of it is gorgeous and kind of terrifying.

I'm so glad Mind Game was nominated! I didn't notice the threads in time to vote, but I would have placed it very high.

Not that I'm expecting to see it in the remaining list. Will you post the runner-up stats at the end?

I can probably do that yeah

if mind game doens't place I am going to burn this whole thred down

i saw fantastic planet on abbbbotttt's suggestion and it would have topped my ballot had i voted (i don't know enough about animation to vote). i also picked up an original LP of the soundtrack a few months ago. score!

Yeah, the soundtrack is amazing. I *still* haven't managed to see the whole thing, though.

i went to this show in philly once and they were projecting fantastic planet onto the wall of the warehouse it was p trippy

Haha, I went to a show in Nottingham where they were doing that too. Pretty much how I've seen most of the bits of it that I have.

#20: Coraline
dir. Henry Selick
2009, USA
258 points, 8 votes
http://i.imgur.com/NCWcg.jpg
trailer

#19: Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
dir. Robert Zemeckis
1988, USA
260 points, 8 votes
http://i.imgur.com/xJaJS.jpg
film

#18: Fantasia
dir. James Algar, Samuel Armstrong, Ford Beebe Jr., Norman Ferguson, Jim Handley, T. Hee, Wilfred Jackson, Hamilton Luske, Bill Roberts, Paul Satterfield, Ben Sharpsteen
1940, USA
262 points, 9 votes
http://i.imgur.com/gQDMe.jpg
le sacre du printemps

#17: Toy Story
dir. John Lasseter
1999, USA
265 points, 9 votes
http://i.imgur.com/3aGXB.jpg
trailer

#16: Nightmare Before Christmas, The
dir. Henry Selick
1993, USA
275 points, 12 votes
http://i.imgur.com/JlxDh.jpg
trailer

Feel like now is the time to mention that if I were voting all over again, ParaNorman would get lots of points.

Laika took their Coraline experience and made ParaNorman and it was just completely stellar technically. The art direction, stop-motion, VFX, and even the 3D were just world fucking class. And the plot was killer and surprisingly dark and the characters were all delightful.

Loved it, though the climax could have used less telling and more showing. Like I got what was happening a good three minutes before Norman had finished explaining it.

nightmare before christmas is so boss

Overrated. Coraline is better IMO.

I thought the plot of ParaNorman was pretty much the weakest part, the 'twist' was pretty clear from early on once you start treating it as the Tim Burton film it clearly is.

well I guess it wasn't the plotting per se that impressed me as the themes the plot touched on, especially the parallel drawn between Norman's issues and mental illness/LD.

also I went in sort of expecting the movie to be lots of wandering around talking to theme-park ghosts of various flavors (civil war, sad teen, amelia earhart) so that it had a much more interesting story to tell (not just a zany adventure w/ ghosts) was pleasing to me

Huh, haven't seen any of these Selick films.

I just want to say that the Toy Story screenshot is my favorite.

One more random note: Ghost in the Shell is probably the only anime in which I don't feel weird/slumming settling with the English dub (possibly because this is one of the first animes I ever watched).

Should probably watch Coraline and, apparently, ParaNorman. Roger Rabbit I'm guessing remains great fun. Toy Story the weakest of the franchise - Sid is an actively uncompelling villain - and most of its charm comes from the fact that it's your introduction to all of the frankly wonderful characters, not least the claw game aliens <3 <3 <3

Ghost in the Shell is probably the only anime in which I don't feel weird/slumming settling with the English dub

Anime is one thing I quite like watching dubbed, subtitles can distract from the pretty pictures a bit.

i'm the complete opposite, mainly due to how poor the dubs are though

Zappi otm.

#15: One Froggy Evening
dir. Chuck Jones
1955, USA
291 points, 8 votes
http://i.imgur.com/QoAkI.jpg
film

#14: Toy Story 2
dir. John Lasseter, Ash Brannon, Lee Unkrich
1999, USA
292 points, 10 votes
http://i.imgur.com/GIWhv.jpg
trailer

#13: Paprika
dir. Satoshi Kon
2006, Japan
299 points, 7 votes
http://i.imgur.com/ckw1X.png
trailer

#12: South Park
dir. Trey Parker
1999, USA
325 points, 11 votes
http://i.imgur.com/yykz2.jpg
trailer

#11: Wrong Trousers, The
dir. Nick Park
1993, UK
329 points, 8 votes
http://i.imgur.com/Acdyw.gif
trailer

Sorry, Andrew.

Thoughts on #15-11? Guesses at Top 10?

Hello my baby, hello my honey, hello my ragtime gaaaaaaaal

I might be the only one who likes W&G's feature length movie better than any of their shorts.

Top 10 in no particular order.

Bambi
Wall-E
Up
Incredibles
Wallace and Gromit in the Were-rabbit
Howl's Moving Castle
Team America
Corpse Bride
Beauty and the Beast
Somthing obvious I'm missing

haha uh team america really

Spirited Away probably #1

was that even nominated? were muppets movies fair game too? xp

Actually I'd expect Corpse Bride and Beauty and the Beast to place by now, probably something more leftfield like Antz or Cowboy Bebop. Would be surprised to see Team America in top 10, but more so not making top 100.

Those puppet things weren't nominated, were they? I certainly fucking hope not! (speaking as a lurking nonvoter)

snow white in top 10 too i'm sure

Aladdin has to have made it right?

Snow White was #33. Not sure if 'Team America' was nominated now. Just realised that #1 is going to be 'Iron Giant'. 'Triplets of Belleville' must have a shout at the top 10 too.

oops, missed snow white placing already

some unsurprising recency bias in these results, at least when looking at rank order.

The Wrong Trousers really is wonderful

Actually #14 #12 and #11 are all films I expected to see in the top 10!

I actually think Toy Story 2 might be the fourth-placed Pixar film, which is really fucked up.

Totoro, Spirited Away, Akira to come surely.

Aladdin & Beauty and the Beast are the remaining Disney princesses, I have no reading on the whole genre, so I don't know if it'd be more of a travesty to appear this much higher than the others, or not at all.

Iron Giant maybe, Belleville certainly not.

Aaand a few shorts? I will speculate What's Opera Doc? and Duck Amuck, because that's what I voted for.

Write in vote for Bully For Bugs at #1 :)

Good predictions. Also prolly Princess mononoke

Mononoke's already in at #67

Paprika is a visual feast, but plotwise I think it's Kon's weakest movie by a good margin. The story and dialogue feel pedantic and under-developed, so it feels too much like a "typical" anime movie.

Everything since 20 has been great

Paprika is based on a novel - unfortunately it isn't all that good plot- and character-wise either

While taking care of my nephews, I've seen The Wrong Trousers 2,743 times. They really have good taste.

Unusual for ILX polls, I have seen 16 of the top 20, and all of the top 10.

Speaking of which, unveiling 2 a day, starting Monday unless I receive strenuous objections.

Dang it, realized I messed up the links to Paprika, which can be found in full on YouTube.

Paprika links I meant to include:
trailer
film (warning: English dub)

(not the real trailer unfortunately - someone recutting the film to the Inception trailer audio)

haha ugh

I agree that paprika's plot/characters are not as strong as other kon work, but the visuals

also my favorite susumu hirasawa soundtrack by a large margin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn7U1KIGeuQ

1080p trailer

That does look pretty cool!

I know I've seen Millenium Actress, but up until seeing it in the countdown here I had no memory of doing so, and it remains a very faint and hazy sense of deja vu. When did I see it? Why? What was it about? I have only the faintest notions. There's something kind of off-putting, to me, about Kon's (or Studio Madhouse's?) animation style... the character designs have this sort of wooden, distant quality. It's maybe an intentional effect, fitting the themes of the story, or maybe they're going for realism and my eyes, accustomed to very stylized anime, don't really process it as such?

#10: Incredibles, The
dir. Brad Bird
2004, USA
335 points, 10 votes
http://i.imgur.com/eLfHC.jpg
trailer

(They are apparently stunned at the placing.)

#9: My Neighbor Totoro
dir. Hayao Miyazaki
1988, Japan
344 points, 10 votes
http://i.imgur.com/3qmIW.gif
trailer

while i accept these results, i also recognize in reality that "the incredibles" is not actually one of the 10 best animated films

catbus otm

catbus gif also otm

yay catbus

I know I've seen Millenium Actress, but up until seeing it in the countdown here I had no memory of doing so, and it remains a very faint and hazy sense of deja vu. When did I see it? Why? What was it about? I have only the faintest notions. There's something kind of off-putting, to me, about Kon's (or Studio Madhouse's?) animation style... the character designs have this sort of wooden, distant quality. It's maybe an intentional effect, fitting the themes of the story, or maybe they're going for realism and my eyes, accustomed to very stylized anime, don't really process it as such?

― Doctor Casino, Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:30 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fits in pretty well with the theme of the movie probably, or at least in the general themes of satoshi kon? haha

CATBUS

CATBUS my #9

Maybe MNT should just be renamed CATBUS? It seems to be what's swinging it. Though Totoro itself is also cool, obv.

Also:

while i accept these results, i also recognize in reality that "the incredibles" is not actually one of the 10 best animated films

― billstevejim, Monday, January 14, 2013 9:00 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTM.

totoro is a top five alltime film for me, animated or not

millennium actress is really good & sorta uniquely lyrical i think?, i am maybe not qualified to say 'uniquely' because i am not great with japanese film or with modern animated cinema, but i feel like it imbues some fairly standard settings & scenarios with a weird emotional pitch. which you can say about miyazaki too, right. like kiki's delivery service is such a reassuringly depression-permeated kids movie.

toroto is so lovely.

#8: Iron Giant, The
dir. Brad Bird
1999, USA
344 points, 10 votes
http://i.imgur.com/V0DRE.gif
trailer

So good.

Love that film.

Also, go Brad Bird for having all three of his (animated) films place!

#7: Akira
dir. Katsuhiro Otomo
1988, Japan
363 points, 10 votes
http://i.imgur.com/RLJ2u.jpg
TETSUOOOOOOOOO (trailer)

Really need to see this film, huh?

I don't think so, but I've only seen it once, in HS.

Actually in school? I wouldn't have thought that an ideal environment tbh, there's a lot of lovely (and eerie) quiet moments in the film.

Disclaimer: I have never watched a film in school, and would assume that it gets a little rowdy, particularly if there's arm-disintegration and laser bikes.

On the other hand I've never seen The Iron Giant, so wtf do I know about anything.

Common theme of these films: I expected them a lot higher.

Iron Giant is amazing thru and thru (SUPERMAN)
Akira is still great animation and among the all time great soundtracks but the story is rushed and a lil boring

The Iron Giant has one of the best endings of anything ever

akira is too low ;_;

the story is rushed and a lil boring

― an old penis drawing is now "new and notable" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:40 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the manga is apparently ~2000 pages so

need to see Akira myself.

the manga is apparently ~2000 pages so

― (panda) (gun) (wrapped gift) (silby)

Yeah, I've read it. It has way more scope and detail, and the big event at the climax of the movie occurs about halfway through. Highly recommended.

I'd say it's the best manga I've ever read, but thinking about it it's the only one I've read all of the way through.

i'm very familiar with akira as manga; i own about eighty percent of it! I like otomo but the plot is harried and the ideas are a bit cliche by now.

the second half of the film Akira is a mess plotwise, have always meant to read the manga but never managed to get round to it (its always been hella expensive!)

The manga is great, especially with the freqeuent 70+ page climaxes. Extraordinarily different from the movie.

Akira manga confounded me. Saw the film as a HSer for clarity sake.

toy scene in akira remains one of the scariest scenes of all time.

among the all time great soundtracks

This can't be emphasised enough.

co-sign

#6: Triplets of Belleville, The
dir. Sylvain Chomet
2003, France
374 points, 11 votes
http://i.imgur.com/tQRfR.gif
http://i.imgur.com/cfMZw.png
trailer

#5: Up
dir. Pete Docter, Bob Peterson
2009, USA
402 points, 13 votes
http://i.imgur.com/nQ9Jh.jpg
trailer

Love Up, but it ranking higher than either of the Brad Bird's is weird.

Agreed times a million.

Belleville is idk, v impressive stylistically but I didn't really get on with the characters. Champion is just a cipher and the triplets are frankly terrifying.

Am more than happy with Up ranking above Ratatouille and The Incredibles.

Myself also, it just seems odd that any of them are ranking above either of the Toy Storys.

Tho this is sensible as a dictionary compared with what lurks in the remaining 4 - or Belleville above Akira for that matter!

I didn't know Iron Giant was supposed to be good. I'll have to check it out.

Very pleased to see Triplets of Belleville so high. I've used that "vacuum cleaner" jam in techno and house DJ sets before, it's a real trip.

Up is clearly miles better than Ratatouille, and may be better than Incredibles, I can't decide on that one.

Yeah, I find that Up has increasing returns with every viewing. I like ...Belleville, but can't quite square it being in the top 10 when The Illusionist was back at #90, I far prefer that film.

(oh, and great work on the poll and results thread, one for the ages this and full of treasures)

The Incredibles is very "watchy", but it's not that good.

hated UP so much when I watched it, can't believe it placed this high

Really want to watch Akira anew some day -- loved it as a teenager, when this whole anime thing was pretty new to me. This was in the mid-90s, in a small town in Norway, where this stuff wasn't really distributed, so this stuff was almost mythical to us -- occasionally someone would come back from Oslo bearing the gift of a tape or two of some Manga release. The highlights as I recall it were _Akira_ and _Ghost in the Shell_. Also watched _Fist of the North Star_ a bunch of times, but I didn't exactly like it. _Wings of Honneamise_ bored the hell out of me -- clearly it needed more exploding heads -- but I'm kinda curious to see it again now.

Come to think of it, I've hardly seen any of the Disney cartoons that didn't come out in my lifetime. Have some vague memories of having seen _Pinocchio_ at a birthday party and being REALLY disturbed by the donkey stuff. But I might just have read one of the childrens book adaptations of the movie. (Definitely didn't read the -original- book)

_Triplets of Belleville_ is a movie I'm kinda wondering if I disliked so much simply because of the enthusiasm with which it was recommended. I mostly remember finding the drawings really ugly. Oh, and the goddamn voodookaka bullshit songs.

Do we have a thread about early non-cartoon animations? I plan to spend some evening on Youtube and Archive.org watching shit like the 1912 The Cameraman’s Revenge. Figure I should put together a little playlist first.

Really enjoying the thread btw, though I didn't take any part in the voting. So far you've inspired me to order _Paprika_ and the first English omnibus of the Akira comics at the library; vaguely recall digging Katushiro Otomo's _Domu: A Child's Dream_ back in the days.

I wasn't a huge fan of Belleville, but I loved that the dog was tricked into paddling across the Atlantic with a piece of caramel, and was still chewing on it when they arrived on shore in America.

Belleville really got to me as a tear-jerker; as I've said on ILX before, I lost my mother about a year before seeing it, and the tireless selfless love of the mother character just got to me. I also remember finding the dog really charming, and I don't have any general affection for dogs to support that. Fourth-best cartoon of all time, no, but I can see how it racked up a bunch of votes.

I loved Belleville. Perhaps not the fourth best animation of all time, but hey, The Incredibles is DEFINITELY NOT top ten of all time, this isn't a definitive list, it's what ilxors who could be bothered to vote did in fact vote for.

Also, I caught Up on telly over Christmas, and I did actually get a little weepy at the start. Still hate that style of animation, though, and the rest of the film wasn't any great shakes (not terrible, though; I certainly didn't balk at the talking dogs or anything).

I liked Belleville well enough but I didn't find it half as moving as the Illusionist

I haven't seen that, though, so I'm unlikely to be dock marks from a film I have seen and liked in favour of a film I haven't seen.

be

that would indeed be craqueurs

lol

will howl's moving castle place? i like it as much as spirited away.

Are you serious, dog? Even without knowing the results, it's pretty clearly lesser Miyazaki.

Anyway...

#4: Duck Amuck
dir. Chuck Jones
1953, USA
439 points, 11 votes
http://i.imgur.com/K12Jl.jpg
film

#3: What's Opera, Doc?
dir. Chuck Jones
1957, USA
448 points, 14 votes
http://i.imgur.com/pHS7H.jpg
film
higher res film (US-only?)

Triplets of Belleville is the first since #20 Coraline that I haven't seen and the first since #45 The Wizard of Speed and Time that I haven't even heard of. I guess I was living in some cultural black hole in 2003. And for every mention of it I should surely have come across since...

Triplets of Belleville is great but not top 10 material imo.
Duck Amuck & What's Opera, Doc? however i can get 100% behind. good job!

chuck jones did fantastically in this poll

It kind of disappeared (until the Illusionist came along), why is why some of us are a little surprised to see it that high.