Bringing Tavi Gevinson Over to ILE from I Love Style Because She'll Probably Be Famous

this girl TAVI, this 13-year-old-or-so style blogging girl who is so funny!

Set to star in new Nicole Holofcener movie.

She's doing a book event at Frank Lloyd Wright's Unity Temple in Oak Park tonight, for a Rookie anthology. Might go.

she's already pretty famous!

yeah i was gonna say

But like famous famous.

she's pretty famous!!

i don't know how famous she is, she is probably more famous than animal collective but less famous than emma stone

shes not famous

definitely not as famous as animal coalition! be srs

She's plenty famous. After all consider who she was ranked with when it came to winning the Internet.

1 tavi = 1.7 ancos = .4 emmastones

and i mean come on shell be burned out by the time shes 19

okay is she more or less famous than tao lin

more

two times as famous as tao lin or not that much more famous

Bet John Hamm doesn't know who Tao Lin is.

http://rookiemag.com/2012/05/ask-a-grown-man-5/

two times as famous as tao lin

Settle down, folks.

and i mean come on shell be burned out by the time shes 19

idk i mean she seems to be pretty level-headed and grounded, esp for her age, maybe she'll move onto something less visible and she'll def mature beyond the sort of wunderkind accolades she's been getting but i don't think she'll "burn out"??

no elmo she will burn out trust me i know about these things

for instance how famous different non famous people are

Maybe Stevie will post his photo.

If my parents and/or square sister know who you are, you are famous. Tavi is not famous.

Most famous babysitter of an ILXor (if I remember correctly).

feel like prob 90% of people who know about her heard her interviewed on npr

guys the internet is huge! gangnam style!

hasn't tavi gone on ellen or something

Tavi's pretty famous.

fameish?

not a celebrity but still kinda niche famous

hasn't tavi gone on ellen or something

She was on Jimmy Fallon the other day, I think.

She's a good person, smart, responsible, with a nice family (they live down the street a bit; I'm in Oak Park, too), so I have a hunch she's going to turn out great. I was talking to a friend about her, and my friend noted that she's made it pretty far without embarrassing herself. I agreed, but also noted how hard it is for a 13 year old to really embarrass themselves. That stuff comes later when they get older, start driving, start drinking, etc. But Tavi doesn't seem liable to go the screw-up route. She's unhitched herself from the fashion train a bit in no small part due to the skeez of the fashion industry, and she's made an effort to better integrate herself into standard high school stuff, I think. Just saw her Monday at Rosh Hashana services.

But yeah, anyway: she's had numerous magazine profiles, been on TV, wrote a book, founded a website, been featured in the NYTimes and had a feature on her in the New Yorker. If you don't think she's famous, you have very high fame standards.

This interview was pretty awesome. She's super level headed, exceptionally honest with and about herself and with reasonable expectations.

http://www.bust.com/blog/tavi-gevinson-dishes-on-anna-wintour-feminism-and-her-plans-for-world-domination.html

is tao lin still a thing

tavi is not 13 anymore

tao lin got a 'sizable advance' for his next novel which is coming out from a 'major publisher' -- god even talking about him it's easy to slip into aspects of his online schtick -- has had a couple of minor things about his personal life/online schtick become semi-'stories' -- also was somewhat referenced obliquely in the 'controversial' hbo tv series 'girls' -- (also, mumblecore)

btw this thread title still makes me go 'tavi started posting on i love style??'

Ha I know I thought that too

def p famous, her instagram is constantly spammed by teenage girls begging for shoutouts, its bizarre

she should send them chewed-up postcards

booooooo.

Considering how famous she is in her early teens, to other teens, I think she's likely to be present in public consciousness for my entire lifetime. If she doesn't make a move into a seriously entrepreneurial endeavour (I hope she doesn't) then she's probably already seen the height of her fame and that's just OK, I love her writing and she's totally awesome

the recent malcolm in the middle reunion got me wondering if the kid celebrity burnout syndrome is bad enough that there's a culpability in even spectatorship, or if it's just a thing where only the worst cases make the spotlight and it's no worse than just normal kids who are good at something.

i was into when she was on i love style, kind over it now

Jessica Hopper ‏@jesshopp
Keep thinking about how the 2 of biggest influences on teenz-culture right now are local: Chief Keef and Tavi.

U FORGOT SKRILLEX

Ok now I gotta figure out wtf this chief keef character is. Been seeing his name nonstop for last 2 weeks. Some kind of rapper I guess.

he is a teen who raps abt guns

Ok he has a single that hit #100? Gtfo with that influential stuff. I know, i know, real measure of teenz culture isn't billboard but the weird wild Internet.

easily one of the fifty thousand most influential people w/teens

how hard it is for a 13 year old to really embarrass themselve

this is crazy i think! teenage embarrassment is way more linked to how embarrassing teenagers inherently are than just some goofy/drunken stuff they do. that she's so level headed & sage & smart, even out of a teenage context/standard - so ie she's a good interviewer, writer, &c - reps v well for her.

I love her writing and she's totally awesome

― a whiter shade of paleo (Ówen P.), Thursday, 20 September 2012 20:27 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Jimmy Iovine's next big bet.

15.5 million views on YouTube.

Justin Bieber - Baby ft. Ludacris 780,528,246

jaymc doesn't know who keef is?!!?

what?!

I like that she's not sure what she wants to do after high school quite yet. That gives me hope. I think a lot of people expect her to have a fuckin career trajectory planned out and she's just like, I want to do lots of things, and just hang out with my friends and play in bands and stuff

I forgot Keef's name the first couple times "who's that guy who don't like a snitch?"

i hate that snitch, i hate that snitch

http://networkawesome.com/2012-9-18/talk-show-tavi-gevinson

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fash-track/tavi-gevinson-rookie-bitchface-373070

Maybe Stevie will post his photo.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, September 20, 2012 4:22 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok lol here is me with a v famous person

http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad184/sdolnack/64b162a2.jpg

best

i read that long thing on her in the nyt a while back so even i know who she is. more importantly, i was REALLY impressed with her website. smart funny stuff on it and it looks great. and i can't say any of those things about too many websites.

xposting I guess I don't think of teenagers embarrassing themselves because teenagers are typically so awkward, anyway, that no one magnifies gaffes and whatnot, and even then, (young) teen behavior is typically forgiven. It's when you start getting older that embarrassments start to stick. Tavi is uncommonly composed, but she's also 16 and lives at home, safe and sound, in the 'burbs, with reasonable parents still involved in her life. When kids got indie and leave home, let alone with money and some degree of fame, that's when the bad stuff potentially goes down. But again, I don't expect it from her.

she has this one routine down perfect. she's successful, and smart, and creative, and more than a little precocious, and as soon as someone says "so where do you see yourself in 10 years?" she says "but i'm only ___teen, how can i know where i'll be in 10 years?" and reminds us that she is still a kid. she's canny!

jaymc doesn't know who keef is?!!?

what?!

Well, I've see his name in tweets, headlines, etc., but never bothered to investigate further.

She's totally canny, but also right. People forget how young she is, and, (obvs) how young she's been. It reminds me a bit of that child prodigy who got into U of C's medical school at a ridiculous age, then entered a sort of holding pattern while he essentially grew up. And now that he's graduated, he's just another doctor. A doctor that started his serious academic career in the single digits, yes, but still, just a doctor.

poor doogie...

Interesting read:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-06-03/news/ct-met-boy-wonder-20120603_1_yano-medical-degree-medical-team

People forget how young she is

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, September 24, 2012 12:30 PM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

uh

Obviously they know how young she is. I mean more that people see this precocious person who is well put together, well spoken, seemingly well intentioned et al. - all things we do not associate with youth - and automatically more or less amend a decade to her actual age due to her seemingly mature emotional age. Her 16 is surely not the typical 16 year old kid, and interlocutors etc. adjust.

Think about the converse: all these ridiculous post-college age actors and actresses that get humored as kids. I remember seeing Britney Spears several years ago, and she went through this precious routine where she noted she was not a girl, but not yet a woman. The first thing that popped into my head was, you know, Britney, there are people your age dying in Iraq right now. You're a woman.

How well do you guys think Jessica Hopper navigated her career from precocious zinester to whatever she is now?

Mostly I think of how she'll have more than a decade of experience under her belt by her mid-20s, in the way that my friends' daughter,who reviews plays at a very young age and gets invited to openings, etc., will.

Susan Sontag was at the U of C at age 16 (and married a year later).

most prodigies never become super triumphant adults, this prob says more abt how rare it is to be highly successful than anything abt prodigies

although i knew this guy who was a childhood cello prodigy and oh man

is tavi a prodigy in that sense though? she really does seem more in the jessica hopper mold, which is... worrisome.

when you are a child prodigy blogger what kind of super triumph adult can you become? don't you just turn into an older blogger

ppl love this young woman so much i want to hate her but afaict theres not actually a good reason to do so

Marcello to thread.

when you are a child prodigy blogger what kind of super triumph adult can you become? don't you just turn into an older blogger

― iatee, Monday, September 24, 2012 2:08 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tumblr book deal

who knows what the publishing world will be in a decade, or even if 'blogger' will mean anything other than 'author,' tho tbh i can see tavi becoming the millennial edition of a diana vreeland or a grace coddington

She can be anything she wants. Cameron Crowe: precocious rock critic to extremely successful director to has-been, and he's only 55!

Seriously, though, even within her field, there is plenty of room for Tavi to become an editor, author, director, whatever.

She is not at all like Hopper, personally or professionally. But who knows what kind of adult Tavi will make.

idk what tavi is rly like bit i wkiw her, she seems super chill

she really does seem more in the jessica hopper mold, which is... worrisome.

Why "worrisome"?

real worried abt tavi u guys

I read some text about riot grrl movement recently, and it seems like the early media attention on hopper didn't ultimately do her much favors.

she's not gonna wurtzel. she's cooler and more level-headed than all that. she will totally dunst. you'll see.

speaking of level-headed, geni just sent me an awesome e-mail right this minute:

Scott, You're Related to Claire Danes!

i'm pulling for her in that regard. i'm like, great job! plz don't wig out!

i bet shell turn into a chill adult whos reasonably successful but not wildly ambitious or famous

i mean does she even do weed yet

she's not gonna wurtzel.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQG_3iUE694jGg2UPlaaS5-xtHrHvjaSf0dY6laXC-q78St2_YQkQ

"I ... I ... I think I'm gonna wurtze!"

When you hear her talk its v easy to forget how young she was; I assumed she was like 17 or 18 when I saw her.

And yeah you would be very hard-pressed to come up w a legit reason to hate her

Tavi seems really grounded and unspoiled; good for her. She's had extreme fash-holes paying attention to her and it hasn't seemed to turn her head.

J-Ho's mother was the features editor of the Minneapolis paper and there was open hostility towards teenaged her for the nepotism aspect of her opportunities, and for being available as a go-to person about riot grrrl when there was supposed to be a 'media blackout'. It is very easy to be hurt by scenester bitching or to find yourself stepping on toes when you do media things as a teenager. In the UK there was a post-riot grrrl rush of clever teenaged girls eg Emma Forrest/Caitlin Moran starting their writing careers when most people were sitting GCSEs; every magazine had one, they're all around 35 now and most of them are successful because they had a head start, and any fuck-ups or burn-outs on their part were probably short in duration and happened before they were really adults, or seen as such by commissioning editors.

J-Ho seems pretty level-headed these days, I think she's turned out pretty well and not sure why she's being held up as a "worrisome" ideal for Tavi.

Maybe she could have been a neurosurgeon or something? It just seems like a bad deal. Would any of you want this kind of attention visited upon you at that age, knowing how it could end up defining you?

J-Ho is just had or is about to have her second. She's much father along on the timeline of life.

Already had! She is a successful journalist/irl good person -- not sure how she could be anything but a top notch role model. People caught shit for much different stuff back in the 90s.

i bet shell turn into a chill adult whos reasonably successful but not wildly ambitious or famous ^^

Tavi's evolution is already interesting: moving from pure fashion-week fashion to a bigger cultural/social/political context. Seems to be making good choices.

Tavi Gevinson ‏@tavitulle
i will only go to homecoming with you if i can get a cut of whatever my mom paid you for asking me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrLJeTwb4KY&feature=relmfu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8NzGprm_qk&feature=plcp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkIPwx7_6Vg

jon hamm, bro

I am contented to live my life without a single worry over the future of Tavi Gevinson. I wish her well, tho.

bf is girling out over the Style Rookie yearbook I just gifted him. "omg it comes with a crown!"

^GREAT reason to get a thing

I need her help...she needs to mentor me!

End of an era

Today is the last day of Rookie and this is my last Editor's Letter. Thank you for seven very special years. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️https://t.co/1iE7G7QESs

— Tavi Gevinson (@tavitulle) November 30, 2018

It's by her and about Britney, but not just that by any means. I should note triggers.

https://www.thecut.com/amp/2021/02/tavi-gevinson-britney-spears-was-never-in-control.html

Not the point of the article, but it blew my mind when she talks about Rookie as "less than ten years ago," it feels to me like that's the distant past and she's 35 now but apparently not

New novella/zine related to T. Swift:

https://lithub.com/pale-fire-tavis-version-notes-on-taylor-swift-and-the-literature-of-obsessive-fandom

somehow this person got famous and she utterly passed me by. when she was on the new, horrible gossip girl reboot I was like "who is this awful actress" and that's where I learned who she was.

however, this zine exercise sounds interesting

Just read this. It's quite something!

I haven't read this yet and don't know if I will, cause i really don't care about TS and am tired of seeing so much content about her. but I did recently re-read Tavi's essay about Britney (posted upthread) and it's still so very good.

was also really happy a few weeks ago when my 17yo stepkid re-posted a page from Rookie Yearbook One, which I'd given to her as a birthday present six years prior (a lifetime for a teenager!)

I… don’t know where to begin with this. your deeply unhinged essay of the week

https://www.gq.com/story/taylor-swift-tavi-gevinson-annie-hamilton

i'm maybe 10-20% through - is this an archived livejournal post?

there's tongue in cheek essays on obsessive fandom (above, Britney and Tay Tay), and then there's... is this writer getting help?

I had to start skimming, it was too uncomfortable.

yeah. see some people saying it's a meta piece that's largely parodying the Taylor zine it's promoting but i feel like that's giving the author too much credit?

I've known people like this, that have an obsessive need to connect with someone that has, well not exactly fame as such, more a cache of shininess...

So, they may well be silent in your company, or make vague small talk, but won't be actually witty, charming or "fun" unless the said object person is within earshot. Why waste your best anecdote if the audience is sub-par and you won't be able to repeat it once the audience is 'bigger'...

the other article by that same writer doesn't feel like a parody either (unless everything she does is)

The bit where she insults The Cut in front of its editor

annie is a well known "hot mess" in certain circles, she maybe took her crazy to a next level here idk

idk it definitely feels like an homage to Fan Fiction, esp the supposed email from Tavi at the end

I'm confused by the timeline, tho. so she first hears about Tavi in 2010, then meets her 12 years later (=2022), then "years went by" before she met her again 2 years ago (=2022????). maybe it doesn't make sense bc it's partly fictional.

WTF is this? also anyone who has had a "fan" knows it feels a lot like having a stalker who claims to be benevolent. maybe i don't get it, but this reads as "strongly unhinged" to me. is that the point?

reads like modern era nyc-based vibes-based not-quite-autofiction. not really my thing but I feel like it's meant to wind up the audience a bit in the purpose of conveying anxiety

xp - "fan" in scare quotes on purpose -- i obviously don't think all fans of things are quasi-stalkers. to be the fan of a person/admire a person and their output and try to be their friend/know them intimately are not the same thing.

i haven't read the tavi zine but this writer is clearly trying to go viral

it's no Cat Person

this kind of gave me flashbacks to the NY scenester autofiction type stuff the pitchfork reviews reviews guy used to write. And that guy ended up becoming Tavi's boyfriend.

i saw something else somewhere by this annie hamilton and could not believe it was published it was so weird and terrible. i can't remember what it was though

Just remembered Tavi dated Ezra from vampire weekend too, when she was 18 and he was 30 iirc. Also iirc there were some whispers several years ago about him not being a particularly great dude to her, but I don't know if there was truth behind that. She wrote an article about it but didn't name him, but seems like it might have been him.

I guess if this is what writers these days have to offer, I'm ok with media jobs just no longer existing.

I had no idea about her dating PRR *or* Koenig! Makes sense I guess

The author reads like a real life Wendy (the Walter Scott comic, not Peter Pan). I don't think the author's anxieties are unusual, and it's interesting to read them laid bare, but this is a profoundly intrusive piece-of-shit bit of writing

tavi noted the author's brilliance and referred to it as fan fiction in her ig story so motwyw

Well, if Tavi’s happy then I’m happy

This essay on Fan Fiction has the A-grade title "Seizing The Zines of Production."

I enjoyed this interview about her internet habits: https://embedded.substack.com/p/my-internet-tavi-gevinson