ITT the Jews and the Chinese get along GREAT

Shalom!

(Gentiles and ghosts welcome too.)

http://latitude.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/02/oh-to-be-jewish-in-china/

http://www.amazon.com/The-Bamboo-Cradle-Jewish-fathers/dp/0873064593

via vegrrl

http://i.imgur.com/0dzw9.jpg

didn't know that was an official association

I think ive seen that pic on Snopes before.

Did they debunk? :-(

can't recall now!

http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/photos/chinese.asp

http://i.imgur.com/rMkS3.png

lmao <3 u kagan

http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/54112/a-very-special-message

http://i.imgur.com/RbdZz.jpg

Kagan was half the reason for this thread, the other half was my dad.

http://www.speakingofchina.com/china-articles/jewish-women-chinese-men/#.ULV0j-TAeSo

disappointed that wasn't a sophia chua rubenfeld update

based on my experiences irl, I'm pretty sure jewish men are much more likely to marry chinese women ; )

and that wasn't a zing @ woody allen !

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-RD648_chua_f_CV_20111223162015.jpg

sophia is old news, lulu is where it's at

https://twitter.com/luluchuru

okay the picture of her meeting mia farrow is just too ironic/serendipitous to be true

Sophia ChuaRubenfeld ‏@SophiaCaribou

"black friday" sounds like it should refer to a historic massacre or war crime or something. The reality is only slightly more terrifying

i think she is beautiful enough that one would listen to this coruscating social commentary

not really warming to lulu, it's all a bit emo, like a series epigrams by victorian spinster amateur poets

you guys are gross

Recently read an article about Chinese firms giving ridiculous precedence to Jewish applicants based on the perceived traits mentioned in the first link.

iirc Chinese firms will hire foreign folks simply to stand around and look important at business functions so

good work if you can get it

This says we're both right!

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/05/23/the_worlds_most_racist_job_ad

I hadn't thought about it before (and i didn't finish the article), but I know two married couples who are chinese man/jewish woman.

Wonder if all this means I can sign up for JDate.

lol

"A Jew and a Chinese, both of them lovers of traditional music and driven by spiritual concerns and climate worries, have decided to make an environment-friendly album together"

get ready to order chinese food!

and a movie -- les miz!

:)

only two tables of white ppl in the chinese resto I ate at earlier

maybe the asian people were jews

http://www.npr.org/2012/12/25/167977055/for-some-jews-christmas-is-more-than-chinese-food

rest assured tho. for me christmas is still only chinese food

lol: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/16/us/studying-and-living-jewish-asian-intermarriage.html

http://www.chinaheritagequarterly.org/tien-hsia.php?searchterm=027_jews.inc&issue=027

Lol, the ad I got on that Times article is "Meet Amazing Asian Singles"

BTW I have heard from multiple sources that a lot of the waiters in the chinese restaurants in chinatown/LES used to speak yiddish since they had so much jewish clientele.

there's a famous jewish joke about that

In a Jewish reataurant, a man comes in and his order is taken by a Chinese waiter who speaks perfect Yiddish. After the waiter takes his order and goes to the kitchen, the man calls over the manager.

"Where did you find a Chinese waiter who knows Yiddish?"

"Shh!" the manager says. "He thinks he's learning English."

feel like it would be superfluous to point out that all the marriages in that article were jewish male <> asian female

tbf I think it's more common? but if you want to meet a nice jewish girl you are playing your cards right with the law school thing.

well I don't think it's just 'more common' - and tbf it's not just confined to the jewish dude <> asian girl pairing, the white guy <> asian girl phenomenon is p widespread. there are probably interesting sociological and gender role issues at play here but of course i'm not a social scientist

Now that I sit here and think about it, any Asian/European mixed couples around here seem to always be white female, asian male.

We publish a society magazine, and it happens not all the time, but a noticeable amount of time that I'll come across an Amy Wu who looks like Barbara Mandrell.

It's not always the same woman either, I should say.

Married couples in the United States in 2010 (thousands)[11]
White Wife Black Wife Asian Wife Other Wife
White Husband 50,410 168 529 487
Black Husband 390 4,072 39 66
Asian Husband 219 9 2,855 28
Other Husband 488 18 37 568

via wikipedia

hard to read but
white husband asian wife = 529,000
asian husband white wife = 219,000

asian husband black wife = 9000, the most elite club

where the gays at?

https://docs.google.com/a/mediaradar.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:c--k8RQxTqoJ:escholarship.org/uc/item/66521994.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgP8Oq8cdQzXw0Se_-pqWw9qzW3At63jZCmvM256uk28B8RG_rtgA24Syh3zQcVzsUpJcjh4O4SaSfbUOEt8Pm0dPJAa4cOIq2c5VtmU0l3Q4vWTfxr5puSym4rEZOHa392LGZp&sig=AHIEtbTxWznB9MkMw4K1TGYyip4tZvgOrg

Same-sex couples are as likely as different-sex married couples
to include a racial or ethnic minority

The Census data describes couples by the race or ethnicity of the “householder”, who was Person 1 on
the Census form and is usually the person in whose name the home is either owned or rented. Among
different-sex unmarried partners, just 74% of householders were White. In general, the racial/ethnic
distribution of householders does not differ much between same-sex couples and different-sex married
couples, while different-sex unmarried couples include a larger proportion of racial/ethnic minorities
(see Figure 2). For both same-sex and different-sex married couples, 81% of householders were White.
Compared to different-sex married couples, same-sex couples had slightly higher proportions of African-
American householders and slightly smaller proportions of Asian householders. The proportion of
Hispanic householders did not differ between the two groups (12%).

wait that's just the 'householder'

Same-sex couples are the most likely to be interracial or interethnic

More than one in five same-sex couples
(20.6%) are interracial or interethnic
compared to 18.3% of different-sex
unmarried couples and just 9.5% of
different-sex unmarried couples (see
Figure 5).

More than half of same-sex couples in
9.5%
Hawaii (53%) are interracial or interethnic
(see Figure 6). About a third fit that
category in California (33%), New Mexico
(31%), and Nevada (30%). Other states
where same-sex couples are likely to be
Different-sex married couples Different-sex unmarried couples
Same-sex couples
interracial or interethnic include Alaska
(28%), District of Columbia (28%), Oklahoma (26%), Arizona (26%), Texas (25%), and Colorado (24%).
Less than 10% of same-sex couples are interracial or interethnic in Maine, Mississippi, Vermont, West
Virginia, and New Hampshire, and Alabama.

Figure 5. Percent of couples that are interracial/ethnic

I'm glad the stats bear me out - recall something from the latest census that showed that asian females were twice as likely to marry outside their race than in the race, and asian males were twice as likely to just be unmarried? lol asians I guess

well the stats don't bear out the twice as likely stat

Asian Wife / White Male - 529
Asian Wife / Black Male - 39
Asian Wife / Asian Male - 2,855
Asian Wife / Other Male - 37

but I'd be curious to see the asian-american vs first gen stats

yeah I think it was limited to a certain age demographic? not overall

like 20-35

Get these stats out of my thread, I hate numbers...

Oh wait.

I had to look in the mirror to remember that I'm good at math and like money.

feel guilty for being good w/ computers, liking cameras + photography
#noapologies for hating math & money tho

do u take photos of meals?

probably like one out of every 100 meals I've ever eaten

I own property and am the only adult in my household who can vote.

I know, not Chinese but can't help thinking of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gerq4GpHpKw

http://www.yelp.com/biz/barbaras-cleaners-torrance

Oh I think we were talking about the Ron Unz meritocracy/harvard article elsewhere, but this guy claims to refute it:

http://andrewgelman.com/2013/02/that-claim-that-harvard-admissions-discriminate-in-favor-of-jews-after-checking-the-statistics-maybe-not/

iirc Chinese firms will hire foreign folks simply to stand around and look important at business functions so

― Toshiro Mifune is my spirit animal (silby), Wednesday, November 28, 2012 4:18 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha i was paid to do exactly this almost on the same day that silby posted this message.

hope boy_slayer finds his jewish soulbro

is it... you, buzza? *smooch*

Where truth reigns there is life; . . . where the lie reigns there is death. Life now sundered may carry on for some time, but God is no longer its essence. History furnishes us . . . with two major and cautionary examples. We are terrified when we behold them as if we had seen some nocturnal spirits. Both have long since fallen into the grave. One can still be seen like some cloud up in the skies; the other like a rigid corpse. We mean the Jewish people-the spirit without a body; and the Chinese, a body without a spirit.

Judaism has embraced within itself all aspects of the ancient consciousness of God just as Christianity has within it all the contradictions of the modern consciousness of God. Judaism like Christianity has thus to be recognized as the underlying principle of the historical process. Jews, therefore, must exist as the thorn in the flesh of Western mankind.
Just as the East needs a Chinese Wall so as not to be disturbed in its stationary existence, so the Jews are the fermentation within Western man- kind, from the beginning called upon to represent the principle of move- ment . . . [Since Christ] they have wandered like a ghost through the world of the living . . . and they can neither die nor be resurrected.

is this Zizek again or what

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Hess

Chén or Chan (simplified Chinese: 陈; traditional Chinese: 陳; pinyin: Chén; Wade–Giles: Ch'en) is one of the most common East Asian family names. It ranks as the 5th most common surname in China, as of 2007[1] and the most common surname in Singapore (2000)[2] and Taiwan (2010).[3] Chen is also the most common family name in Guangdong, Zhejiang, Fujian, Hong Kong (spelt Chan in Hong Kong and Macau). It is the most common surname in Xiamen, the ancestral hometown of many overseas Hoklo.[4] Chen (חֵן) is also a Hebrew word meaning "loveliness" and "grace", which is the 30th-most-common surname in Israel.[5]

that is…not the same consonant. or word. or anything.

yeah, definitely not a cognate

Thought this was being revived due to your Ben Chang comment on the racist thread.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-and-china-ink-400-million-trade-agreement/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X036MPckzI

http://shanghaiist.com/2013/05/13/watch_a_little_slice_of_jewish_history_in_shanghai.php

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/05/23/retired_high_ranking_chinese_official_asks_why_jews_are_so_smart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp2tyCiDTGg

chabad!

http://www.chabadbeijing.com/

my grandfather (RIP) was from a town in russia (what's now belarus, i believe) that was dominated by a yeshiva. during WWII, the people who ran that jeshiva, and several of the students, up and moved to shanghai. the article above suggest whoever may have still been there moved to israel over the following decades.

my grandpa came to america ca. 1915 FWIW.

Mir Yeshiva in Shanghai - the yeshiva still exists in Israel. very famous place.

yup

I always feel a little uncomfortable at "Why are the Jews so smart?" type questions, but somehow when they come from China they seem much freer of the suspicion that normally comes with such questions. It's like the idea of success doesn't have as much baggage attached in China as it does elsewhere. Maybe that's an oversimplification on my part.

nah it speaks to one of the worst aspects of chinese culture IMO

At least he asked "Why are the Jews so smart?" and not "Why do the Jews know everything?"

According to the traditionist Muqatil ibn Sulayman (d. AH 150), whose Quranic commentary is among the earliest to reach us, a small group of Jews was disgusted by the prophet-killing of their brethren among the Children of Israel. In answer to their prayer that they be separated from the rebellious, God opened a tunnel through the earth from the Temple in Jerusalem to China, and closed it behind them after their exodus. The righteous Jews have lived in China ever since, from whence they will return only to fight against the Antichrist. Others put the righteous community of Moses at the opposite end of the world, beyond al-Andalus (the Iberian Peninsula), the western limit of Islam and of the then known world.19

19 See Muqatil ibn Sulayman, Tafsir al-Quran, commenting on Q 17:104, and discussed in Uri Rubin, Between Bible and Qurān: The Children of Israel and the Islamic Self-Image (Princeton, NJ: Darwin Press, 1999), 27–28. Such traditions seem to develop from debate over the ten tribes of Israel lost ca. 722 BCE, when the Assyrian conquerors of Israel deported them (see 2 Kings 7:6, 23; 2 Esd. 13:41–42, 46–47; Josephus, Jewish Antiquities, trans. Ralph Marcus [Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1937], 11.133). Might they also reflect knowledge of rabbinic stories like the Jerusalem Talmud’s account (Kilayim 9.4) of Rabbi Meir’s emigration to “Asia”? The idea that the ten lost tribes had settled in Central Asia was popular among medieval and early modern Europeans as well, including the famous historian Guillaume Postel in his Des Histoires Orientales (Paris, 1575), 34–37.

(Anti-Judaism: The Western Tradition, by David Nirenberg)

http://sinosphere.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/12/israel-increasingly-courting-china-as-an-ally/?_r=0

My dad will be pleased to hear this.

http://woksandlox.com/

cute. Are these sorts of things implicitly singles meetups? I think H and I once went to some kind of interest-based meetup group a while back and we felt like we were the only couple.

http://www.salon.com/2013/12/24/my_atheist_christmas_in_china/

I totally thought we had a Tiger Mother thread, but I guess not. So...uh...
http://nypost.com/2014/01/04/tiger-mom-some-groups-are-just-better-than-others/

Nah, it was posted here: crazy chinese mother

http://www.scmp.com/news/china-insider/article/1401333/chinese-tycoon-chen-guangbiao-reveals-interest-buying-wsj-after

http://i.imgur.com/hxbhCue.png

Chen had said earlier that he was "serious" about purchasing the Times, so he could work on "rebuilding its credibility and influence" by reforming its award-winning coverage of China.

Chen said he was aware that many American papers were Jewish-owned. He said he was up for the job since he had "equally competent IQ and EQ" compared with Jews.

"I am very good at working with Jews," he said.

lol

His business card went viral yesterday http://qz.com/165136/chen-guangbiaos-ridiculous-business-card-reminds-chinese-why-they-dont-trust-philanthropists/

He's famous for, among other things, canning air from Tibet to sell to people in Beijing (more publicity stunt than serious effort)

he sounds kind of trump-like

I like this guy, and also I am Jewish. Please set up a meeting for us and I will discuss the possibility of arranging a deal for him to buy my uncle's major daily newspaper.

Lol

I think I'm gonna try and visit the synagogues in Shanghai

My dad used to have this thing where he had to visit the synagogue anywhere we went, like just to see it. We always made fun of him for it.

Shangai Synagogue

Just wanted to see that in italics, wasn't disappointed.

I'm actually kind of sad that I never got to visit the one in HK - think I'll be able to rectify this time around too xp

Did you leave the second h out on purpose? xp

You're such a mensch, 龜.

http://ohelleah.org/ols/

http://www.urbanphoto.net/blog/2010/12/09/judaism-with-a-hong-kong-flavour/

Nah I've always been called a schmuck xp

I think I'm gonna try and visit the synagogues in Shanghai

Would you like to be accompanied by someone who can pass for Jewish and can even bust out some Hebrew?

Jealous of yall.

Haha I've been meaning to reply. Sorry, I havent' even left yet due to the Vortex

Yeah no hurry, we are in Japan for a few more days and then Taipei for a month!

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/metro/entertainment-and-culture/Former-Jewish-refugees-return-for-Thank-You-Shanghai-trip/shdaily.shtml

http://jewishphilosophyplace.wordpress.com/2014/05/14/jewish-philosophy-in-china/

Sponsored by The Center for Judaic and Inter-Religious Studies at Shandong University, the “Translation Series of Classics of the Jewish Culture” speaks to director and editor-in-chief Professor Fu Youde’ interest in Jewish philosophy and thought and how that interest shapes his understanding of Jewish Studies in China. In the United States and Israel, these kinds of centers for Jewish Studies tend to be dominated by historians, whereas at Shandong University an emphasis has been placed on modern thought and philosophy. My guess is that Josephus (!!), Mishna, and Maimonides were chosen not just for their inherent interest but rather as foundations to a Jewish wisdom tradition. I’ll observe in passing the very minor role played by history on this particular list. Most of it seems to relate to Jewish-Christian relations, and the emergence of the modern religious movement in the wake of Emancipation. But the center of gravity is occupied by the modern philosophical tradition and its basics: Mendelssohn, Cohen, Buber, Rosenzweig, Baeck, Kaplan, Heschel. There’s just enough of history to frame the modern conceptual work.

http://jewishphilosophyplace.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/hebrew-chinese-translation1.jpg

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t1.0-9/10603510_591590887629265_4273040356338089376_n.jpg

The Chinese name of the fungus literally translates to "Black Wood Ear"

We take no responsibility for the translation sins of the West

how does it taste?

At least they remembered to capitalize Juice.

I've never had the drink but the fungus itself tastes pretty bland and benefits from a splash of vinegar

Its specific epithet is derived from the belief that Judas Iscariot hanged himself from an elder tree; the common name "Judas's ear" eventually became "Jew's ear", while today "jelly ear" and other names are sometimes used. The fungus can be found throughout the year in temperate regions worldwide, where it grows upon both dead and living wood.

Ah yes, the well known Chinese fable of Judas Iscariot

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_le8h71ERGH1qatgzn.jpg

http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2014/08/19/taiwan-restaurant-apologizes-for-pasta-dish-called-long-live-the-nazis/

The Nazi swastika and other icons related to the white supremacist political ideal aren’t uncommon on this island. Last year, a man was photographed by local media dressed in full SS soldier uniform while attending an anti-homosexuality parade. When asked about his choice of attire, the man was quoted by local media as saying “I am against homosexuality and so were the Nazis.”

I was wondering when that would make its way to this thread

get along GREAT

“I am against homosexuality and so were the Nazis.”

O RLY
http://www.excatholicsforchrist.com/images/bormann.jpg

lol whoops that's Bormann - mixing up my Nazis!
http://s4.hubimg.com/u/2502279_f520.jpg

As for Rockmill, the restaurant has since changed the name of its dishes to “Long Live Purity.”

Not really much of an improvement tbh

http://sinosphere.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/09/03/shanghai-museum-unveils-memorial-to-jews-who-found-haven-in-city/

I've been here!

the father of my rabbi from my childhood (who is the head of the beis din of philadelphia and who did my sister's conversion) was one of the students who survived w/ the Mir by moving to Shanghai.

wait why did your sister have to convert? I mean I guess the obvious answer "she was not born to a Jewish mother" but I dunno maybe something more complicated than that?

yes, adoption

the father of my rabbi from my childhood (who is the head of the beis din of philadelphia and who did my sister's conversion) was one of the students who survived w/ the Mir by moving to Shanghai.

― Mordy, Wednesday, September 3, 2014 5:03 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

my grandpa was from that town (as were many jews), but his family went to the US in 1915

ah OK, I was picturing some kind of complicated "hung with the reform crowd and now orthodox rabbi sez u need some conversion to orthodoxy" type thing. I dunno I make up weird stuff sometimes. Mo mikvah, mo better.

cross-post

http://www.boston.com/food-dining/restaurants/2014/12/09/harvard-business-school-professor-goes-war-over-worth-chinese-food/KfMaEhab6uUY1COCnTbrXP/story.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/exclusive-texted-union-rep-akai-gurley-lay-dying-article-1.2034219

Not what I had in mind when I started this thread.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/why-american-jews-eat-chinese-food-on-christmas/384011/2/

I had Taiwanese food on Christmas--beef with pea shoots, totally legit dish. Spouse had sesame chicken. Not legit but tasty.

FTR spouse and dayo have, in fact, dined at Fortune Cookie in Shanghai. I missed it because I was getting my hairs did :(

^ It was very good

http://forward.com/articles/211233/the-last-jewish-lox-slicer-at-zabars/

https://u.osu.edu/symposiumonchinajews/

http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2015/02/10/384069013/part-asian-american-all-jewish

Once, she even told her mother she wanted to give up Judaism. "Is that possible?" her mother asked.

The perpetual metaphysical quandary of Jewishness.

http://sinosphere.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/04/06/kaifeng-china-jewish-roots-passover/?_r=0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2j0yTlfSGk

lol @ ISRAEL text message

awww that is making me feel all emo

ha maybe it's supposed to be a dude named Israel texting?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOse8IoxUTI

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-life-and-religion/196382/chinas-secrets-of-jewish-success

In the best-seller The Spirit of Jewish Culture (the English title on the cover is Whats [sic] Behind Jewish Cleverness) by Sai Ni Ya, one of He Xiongfei’s pseudonyms, he writes that Jews “are the most intelligent, mysterious, and the wealthiest people in the world. In a sense, not knowing about Jews equals not knowing the world! When Jews sneeze at home, all the banks in the world would catch a cold one by one. Five Jews together can control the gold market of the humankind; the antagonism between the East and the West, in a sense, can be said to be that between two Jews—Jesus and Marx.”

Oy

Vey

Five Jews together can control the gold market of the humankind;

let's do this

hang on let me clear with the Elders of Zion first

When you take over, please remember who started this thread!

Five Jews sounds like the next hip bagel joint

H invited our neighbors (two kids who are watched during the day by their Chinese grandmother) for an impromptu playdate after seeing the grandmother (who speaks virtually no English and cares for the kids) roaming the hallways in boredom. The grandmother went to her apartment and came back with an envelope with $20 in it for Chinese New Year. Are we supposed to give her/them something in return?

I mean if we just give THEM $20, doesn't that defeat the purpose? But if we give them more, it seems competitive and if we give less it seems cheap. So how does this work?

don't give anything but maybe invite them to dinner later

ooh yeah, power move

That's a good idea. Parents are really nice -- they've gotten our kids birthday gifts (and we did the same in return) even though we haven't really had the change to hang out.

http://i.imgur.com/m3kucf1.jpg

https://twitter.com/originalspin/status/718161821270585344

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese-Jewish_common_ancestry_theory

Courtesy bump for Christmas.

Love Jews, love China, all good. Merry Christmas!

Wait I don't actually love Jared Kushner, just need to point that out.

i got my christmas chinese takeout - place was packed

Last year I had hoisin with my latkes and it was A++

Out for Korean tonight.

https://i.imgur.com/Hh7uItO.jpg

there's been a big influx of orthodox jews visiting the traditional chinese medicine shop down the street, i assume related to the measles outbreak.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/chinese-itzik-haifa

Regarding the top Chinese executive in Israel, who chose to learn Hebrew as a young man:

...his grandfather told him that Jews were smart—people of the book. Everyone thinks this in China, he said. If his years communicating with real Jews in Israel has disabused him of this notion, he was too polite to say so.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/14/dining/ed-schoenfeld-dead.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/07/nyregion/new-york-shun-lee-chinese-restaurants.html

paywalled, i *love* Shun Lee West/Cafe but never been to the Palace. Was aware of the new location but haven't bothered to investigate though it's much closer to where i live. Just assumed the experience and decor wouldn't be the same.

https://www.thechinesequest.com/

very cute, this is one of my favorite things that's come out of the expansion of Chinatown along the Port Washington line so far.