yo is it true obama got zinged by a white guy after a debate beef? - The 2012 First US Presidential Debate Thread

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Let's do this

Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 03:07 (twelve years ago)

What % of the country will Romney insult tomorrow?

this is the dream of avril and chad (jer.fairall), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 03:11 (twelve years ago)

Somewhere between 30 and 47%

Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 03:12 (twelve years ago)

do you guys know if there'll be an easy way to watch this online from abroad ? like is there gonna be a stream on i dunno smth like youtube for ex?

Jibe, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 04:05 (twelve years ago)

Youtube is reportedly going to stream all three presidential debates and the one vice presidential debate. I'd assume that means worldwide.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 04:19 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1jXLzNto70

dmr, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 04:38 (twelve years ago)

How many times will Mitt say "Golly!"

Aimless, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 04:50 (twelve years ago)

great thx johnny fever !

Jibe, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 06:14 (twelve years ago)

So what's the drinking game for this one?

Fetchboy, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 06:19 (twelve years ago)

the whole prospect of "romney zingers" has my stomach twisted into a knot of secondhand embarrassment. i half-wonder if he won't actually use them, in the hopes that the post-debate narrative will be about him choosing to be serious and "presidential."

i've hidden a white teen on Crimedoer Mountain (reddening), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 06:51 (twelve years ago)

http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2012/10/02/the-astrology-of-the-presidential-debates/

Chris S, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 07:07 (twelve years ago)

http://i47.tinypic.com/14u2rt.jpg

i've hidden a white teen on Crimedoer Mountain (reddening), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 10:22 (twelve years ago)

Tim Pawlenty Uranus

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 10:53 (twelve years ago)

So what's the drinking game for this one?

1. "for Pete's sake"
2. "Rafalca"
3. chastened retort from Obama

clemenza, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 11:33 (twelve years ago)

4. "MADRASSA!"

Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 12:16 (twelve years ago)

whoa, they're getting off to an early start, catching the nation off guard!

http://i46.tinypic.com/2afzpg1.jpg

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 13:32 (twelve years ago)

sorry, just posted this on the election thread but it's probably better here:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/10/02/us/politics/what-romney-and-obamas-body-language-says-to-voters.html?hp

Obama's Gestures
Mr. Obama uses a more controlled style than Mr. Romney does. While the force of his movements can prompt the viewer to support the argument put forth, controlled movements can also make the viewer feel that the path suggested would not be easy.

Waving a Ball - In this movement, the president moves his forearm in an arc from the elbow with his palm open, fingers slightly rounded, as if he were holding a baseball. He often uses this gesture when trying to pass along a belief that he wants the viewer to embrace.

Cutting - Mr. Obama often makes a downward chopping motion to place emphasis on an action verb. He has used this to convey a task that he or the viewer might undertake, as well as to sarcastically suggest something his opponent might do.

Pointer - This may be Mr. Obama’s most frequent gesture. Holding his hand in a fist with his thumb overlapping the first joint of the forefinger as if he were operating a remote control, he moves his forearm in an arc from the elbow, with emphasis on the downward motion.

Romney's Gestures
Mr. Romney’s body language is generally more free-flowing than Mr. Obama’s. Such movements can be infectious, encouraging the viewer to join with the speaker.

Pointer - This gesture is similar to Mr. Obama’s pointer movement, with the hand in a loose fist, except that Mr. Romney holds his thumb to the palm side of his forefinger. Mr. Romney also swings his forearm more freely than Mr. Obama does, a gesture that emphasizes strength of conviction.

Embrace - In this movement, Mr. Romney has both hands open, fingers loose, suggesting an imminent embrace. Both arms move up and down repeatedly in a motion that is both free-flowing and direct, conveying the idea that his logic is obvious to all.

Tilt and Nod - Mr. Romney often uses two head movements to punctuate an idea. In the first, Mr. Romney tilts his head to one side, with eyes open wide, as if to ask, “Don’t you agree with me?” In the second, he nods his head, a gesture that suggests, “Of course we agree.”

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 13:33 (twelve years ago)

poll

iatee, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 13:37 (twelve years ago)

'the poll'

romney tosses his head and flings his arms around wildly, scrabbling for purchase as if he had just heard the results of the latest opinion poll

Randy Carol (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 13:40 (twelve years ago)

thought about it, but the only possible answer is tilt and nod

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 13:41 (twelve years ago)

The signature Romney move for me is that look of his that falls somewhere between sad, pained, and bemused when he's listening:

http://newshour.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/2011/09/08/124007529_blog_main_horizontal.jpg

Not ever having had to stand beside Rick Perry and feign attentiveness, I do empathize in this instance.

clemenza, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 13:46 (twelve years ago)

The "I feel your pain"

Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 14:38 (twelve years ago)

was not ready for the acid trails gif on nyt this morning

da croupier, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 14:38 (twelve years ago)

Prediction: Romney will wear Tommy Bahama tonight to project warmer, of-the-people image.

Norah Jones Protest Vote (Eazy), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 14:42 (twelve years ago)

Prediction: The President will enter on a horse. Return of the hat.

http://www.salem-news.com/stimg/march212010/obama-cowboy.jpg

Norah Jones Protest Vote (Eazy), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 14:43 (twelve years ago)

Prediction: Romney will wear Tommy Bahama tonight to project warmer, of-the-people image.

― Norah Jones Protest Vote (Eazy), Wednesday, October 3, 2012 10:42 AM Bookmark

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news_img/16725/weekend_at_bernie_s_16725.jpg

l-r Ryan, Romney, debate moderator Jim Lehrer

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 14:46 (twelve years ago)

Democracy Now! will be 'pausing' the debate to let Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson give answers.

http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2012/9/28/third_party_candidates_to_join_in_real_time_on_democracy_now_s_live_coverage_of_first_pres_debate

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago)

Romney even left behind a $1.75 tip on an $18.25 tab

Wow, 9.5%. Noblesse oblige, dude.

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 15:41 (twelve years ago)

in fairness, tipping at Chipotle would never, ever, ever occur to me

set me on fire RAAAAH (DJP), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 15:44 (twelve years ago)

It would if you were running for president and had a reputation for being C. Montgomery Burns.

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago)

Mitt dramatizes his tipping philosophy:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RJDz2NDosNQ/UCxUo7atZkI/AAAAAAAAF10/g-c4HHr-27g/s1600/Steve+Buscemi+Reservoir+Dogs.png

clemenza, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 15:47 (twelve years ago)

Now I wish Buscemi was running for president.

controversial cabaret roommate (Nicole), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 15:48 (twelve years ago)

He was treasurer of Atlantic City – who needs him as president?

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago)

tipping in the politics thread we r now approaching the ilx singularity

Mordy, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 15:54 (twelve years ago)

"As the Romney entourage departed, Creedence Clearwater Revival could be heard blasting from the SUV."

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago)

"Fortunate Son," most likely.

Baked. And yet so soupy. (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 16:01 (twelve years ago)

On the way home I was wishing this thread was called "Yo is it true Obama got zinged by a white guy after a presidential debate beef?"

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago)

lol i wonder what romney's A++ beyond his wildest imagination success looks like after this debate? "oh shit romney is actually cool and funny and totally not an emotionless automaton at all!"

Mordy, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 21:04 (twelve years ago)

Just posted by humorous Twitter feed @FakeAPStylebook: "@FakeAPStylebook: Just write 'Obama made the jerk-off motion and rolled his eyes several times.' You don't have to document every instance."

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 21:08 (twelve years ago)

"Yo is it true Obama got zinged by a white guy after a presidential debate beef?"

this needs to happen

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago)

I remember some pundit's benchmark for Reagan success in '84 was "doesn't drool"

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 21:18 (twelve years ago)

phil d. on a roll tonite

zvookster, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago)

https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/2290059106/w7qmy45rfd95cb8gl4zq.jpeg

(╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago)

B. HUSS aka the deestroyer

(╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago)

No wonder I couldn't find this damn thread

Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 22:06 (twelve years ago)

extremely guilty lol @ obamurkle

gesange der yuengling (crüt), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago)

Mitt Romney-Official Site
Help Romney Get America Back to Work. Donate $5 Now!
www.MittRomney.com

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago)

Obama should do Urkel for Halloween just to show 'em.

Norah Jones Protest Vote (Eazy), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 22:21 (twelve years ago)

With Michelle as Nicki Minaj.

Norah Jones Protest Vote (Eazy), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 22:21 (twelve years ago)

this 90s nostalgia bullshit has gone too far.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago)

Mitt Romney-Official Site
Help Romney Get Mitt Romney Back to Work. Donate $5 Now!
www.MittRomney.com

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago)

just think, if 100,000 people saw that and donated $5 tonight, MittRomney.com would gain...$500,000. Gamechanger

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 22:41 (twelve years ago)

The "Spin On My Dick" - In this movement, the president moves his forearm in an arc from the elbow with his palm open, fingers slightly rounded, as if he were holding a baseball. He often uses this gesture when trying to pass along a belief that he wants the viewer to embrace.

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 22:42 (twelve years ago)

jimgeraghty RT @JesseRodriguez: NBC: VP Biden will watch the debate tonight from his residence at the Naval Observatory. | If he can find the remote.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 22:47 (twelve years ago)

something about "naval observatory" made me think of a lighthouse, leading me to picture joe biden glumly consigned to a lighthouse during the debates so he can't mess anything up.

i've hidden a white teen on Crimedoer Mountain (reddening), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 22:54 (twelve years ago)

with O'Douls and cashews

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 22:56 (twelve years ago)

lol schlump

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 22:58 (twelve years ago)

I guess I shouldnt be surprised that Romney masks already exist

Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 23:15 (twelve years ago)

if I carry around a Romney mask in a dish filled with blood will people get the joke

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 23:17 (twelve years ago)

http://th02.deviantart.net/fs70/150/i/2011/136/9/4/featureless_mask_by_midnightjester-d3ghnqu.jpg

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 23:17 (twelve years ago)

ie

http://dailygrindhouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/RE-ANIMATOR1.jpg

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 23:17 (twelve years ago)

Democracy Now! will be 'pausing' the debate to let Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson give answers.

http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2012/9/28/third_party_candidates_to_join_in_real_time_on_democracy_now_s_live_coverage_of_first_pres_debate

― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, October 3, 2012 11:40 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is v creative!

lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 23:21 (twelve years ago)

1 hour, 37 minutes

Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 23:22 (twelve years ago)

ZINGS! ZINGS! ZINGS!

lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 23:24 (twelve years ago)

Haha

Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 23:29 (twelve years ago)

Where is the link for the youtube stream? Might watch part of this tonight.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 23:30 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1jXLzNto70

lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 23:34 (twelve years ago)

Democracy Now! will be 'pausing' the debate to let Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson give answers.

I hope at some point, Obama randomly turns to the camera and says, "I heard that, Jill Stein!" and then goes on with his answer.

pplains, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 23:36 (twelve years ago)

on the street i walked past a woman on her phone saying 'i'm gonna be watching that presidential debate. everybody's watching that shit.'

mookieproof, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 23:51 (twelve years ago)

http://images.businessweek.com/cms/2012-10-03/1003_bentsen_quayle_630x420.jpg

lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 23:57 (twelve years ago)

No, no, that one happens next week.

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 23:58 (twelve years ago)

Worth watching again for Bentsen's triumphant smugness. This is a zing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-7gpgXNWYI

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 23:59 (twelve years ago)

Kerry momentarily regained my respect for how well he got Bush:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrXXa1_oArM&feature=related

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:02 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAUcyfKESts

this one makes me want to have a beer w/bush

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:05 (twelve years ago)

TELL TONY BLAIR!
YOU CALL UP MY FRIEND TONY AND SAY IT TO HIS FACE

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:05 (twelve years ago)

TONYS GONNA BE SOOOO MAD

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:06 (twelve years ago)

The second debate thread officially has to be subtitled " everybody's watching that shit."

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:07 (twelve years ago)

the only problem w/ Bentsen is that Jack Kennedy was kind of an asshole

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:07 (twelve years ago)

I'll be watching that important beisbol shit

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:07 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJFPpCZEs_8

miss u boo

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:09 (twelve years ago)

the only problem w/ Bentsen is that Jack Kennedy was kind of an asshole

― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, October 3, 2012

and Bentsen was the worst sort of Texas plutocrat. THEE-AH-TER, my friend.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:15 (twelve years ago)

DINGELL-NORWOOD
DINGELL-NORWOOD

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:16 (twelve years ago)

Uma, Oprah...

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:19 (twelve years ago)

i will tune in for Sotosyn-clemenza THEE-AH-TER review at midnight

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:22 (twelve years ago)

@tbogg: According to rules agreed upon by both campaigns, Jim Lehrer must deliver all questions in a "black dialect" and with "attitude".

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:28 (twelve years ago)

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/03/political_must_reads_salons_twitter_50/

political hack logorrhea

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:28 (twelve years ago)

If you're not following these Twitter feeds this year, you're not following the 2012 elections

shit

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:29 (twelve years ago)

i will tune in for Sotosyn-clemenza THEE-AH-TER review at midnight

I don't review debates: that's your purview.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:31 (twelve years ago)

when you read 50 political operatives make the same joke 50 times w/ slightly different syntax + vocabulary it is like looking into the empty void at the heart of american cultural + political life

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:32 (twelve years ago)

I was so stunned when I saw that film of Bentsen advocating the use of nukes in the Korean war.

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:33 (twelve years ago)

I've never seen an actual debate since maybe GG Liddy vs Tim Leary at NYU

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:34 (twelve years ago)

haha

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:34 (twelve years ago)

I'm doing a live theremin soundtrack, and plan on putting it on youtube.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:35 (twelve years ago)

http://www.theonion.com/articles/biden-implores-obama-to-rub-one-out-before-debate,29785/

Biden Implores Obama To 'Rub One Out' Before Debate
http://o.onionstatic.com/images/18/18296/16x9/635.jpg?8599
'Don't Want Pussy On The Mind Out There,' Reports Vice President

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:37 (twelve years ago)

when i was younger i used to watch the debates on CSPAN bc it made me feel above the partisan fray. now i watch debates on FOX news bc i realize it's all nihilistic bullshit and if you're going to participate you might as well be honest and watch the most nihilistic bullshit available.

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:37 (twelve years ago)

that's your purview.

My 'purview'? Where do you think you are, some fucking regency costume drama? This is a government department, not some fucking Jane fucking Austen novel! Allow me to pop a jaunty little bonnet on your purview and ram it up your shitter with a lubricated horse cock!

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:37 (twelve years ago)

http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-demands-more-predebate-news-stories-about-b,29783/

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:39 (twelve years ago)

zing! xp

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:40 (twelve years ago)

morbs really using this no more sb thing to scale new heights

big-mammed punisher (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:42 (twelve years ago)

Let it be known that horsecocks made their appearance on this thread a full twenty minutes before the show even started

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:43 (twelve years ago)

and using the time away to know what kind of shitters and lube Jane Austen heroines used on horse cocks

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:43 (twelve years ago)

i try to get as inebriated as possible before a debate so that i can evaluate the candidates' personalities on purely primitive level.

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:44 (twelve years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/2kYaU.png

regular size jenga my friend

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:44 (twelve years ago)

thank u lag∞n

mookieproof, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:44 (twelve years ago)

we all remember last time.

Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:45 (twelve years ago)

lol @ diet coke

THEE-AH-TER (Matt P), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:45 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isw83h_-dks

Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:46 (twelve years ago)

uh oh better be caffeine free mitt bro

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:46 (twelve years ago)

caffeine is ok in coca cola products

THEE-AH-TER (Matt P), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:47 (twelve years ago)

and horse lube

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:47 (twelve years ago)

like a month ago at work I convinced some coworkers that my little brother died in a jenga accident

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:50 (twelve years ago)

frankly you shd watch In the Loop in its entirety for more Capaldi rants instead of this diseased dumbshow.

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:51 (twelve years ago)

of deliriously dipshitty dimensions

da croupier, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:52 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOYsN7G8p0E

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:52 (twelve years ago)

Morbs are you watching the new season of Thick of It?

Simon H., Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:53 (twelve years ago)

morbs was quoting the thick of it

preview on cnbc is lolz, titled Your MONEY Your VOTE, and basically ceo after ceo hoping romney "doesn't do something really weird" (actual quote from one) but hey union dude richard trumka just showed up

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:53 (twelve years ago)

That onion story is lulz

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:53 (twelve years ago)

Youtube debate coverage has some internet babe on she looks kinda like Chloe Sevigny.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:54 (twelve years ago)

sorry, in the loop! xps

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:54 (twelve years ago)

I have never seen any of The Thick of It, just the movie spinoff

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:54 (twelve years ago)

"he really likes jenga?" polling at #1 in list of things the public knows about mitt romney the human being

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:55 (twelve years ago)

i watched the early seasons of prime suspect and could not process that it was capaldi as the drag queen in the 2nd one. watched the whole thing, thought, 'man that guy was great', looked up the cast, thought 'huh, who was peter capaldi in that? one of the cops?'

goole, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:55 (twelve years ago)

I have never seen any of The Thick of It,

you're gay and know of horses c'mon

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:55 (twelve years ago)

Gearing up for my "fake liveblog of the debate" article over here

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:57 (twelve years ago)

I'm actually heartened by interest groups snatching up airtime and being like "fuck a candidate, our issue is CRUCIAL"

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:58 (twelve years ago)

I have seen a horsefuck in a Carlos Reygadas film

(very sim to what the reactionary Dems are goin to give all of you in 2013)

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:59 (twelve years ago)

Here we go

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:59 (twelve years ago)

i'm currently watching the awesome PBS stream (pbs.org), with Jim Lehrer sitting all by himself

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:00 (twelve years ago)

gun control commercial spokesperson unfortunately meek looking

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:00 (twelve years ago)

internet newscasters are not quite real newscasters, huh. they're like cartoons, with cartoon serious voices.

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:00 (twelve years ago)

was morbz banned during the conventions? i'm remembering it's been awhile since we did a big political event thread w/ his participation

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:01 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EcjWd-O4jI

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:02 (twelve years ago)

Jim Lehrer now looking like Cotton Hill

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:03 (twelve years ago)

I've flipped pancakes with less flour than Lehrer's makeup.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:03 (twelve years ago)

psyched for 'the role of government'

mitt romney looks like a motherfucker with some dark secrets?

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:03 (twelve years ago)

I think I'm just gonna follow this thread whilst watching Sons of Anarchy on Netflix

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:04 (twelve years ago)

trust u guys to cover high points

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:05 (twelve years ago)

really psyched to see some horse cock here

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:05 (twelve years ago)

zingers I mean

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:05 (twelve years ago)

question is actually the question the guy just asked

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:05 (twelve years ago)

zinger cock bonnet

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:06 (twelve years ago)

romney already got one more lulz from me than obama did

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:07 (twelve years ago)

ZINGER i'm voting mitt

zachylon (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:07 (twelve years ago)

'so romantic being here with me! so congratulations!'

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:07 (twelve years ago)

US flagpins are lol. ppl are still doing this huh

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:07 (twelve years ago)

CHINA CHEATS

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:07 (twelve years ago)

whatever else happens tonight, guys, I'm glad I got Morbs miffed.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:08 (twelve years ago)

CHINA CRISIS

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:08 (twelve years ago)

both these dudes hella nervous

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:08 (twelve years ago)

"small business people"

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:08 (twelve years ago)

does romney's flag have a little cross on it?

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:08 (twelve years ago)

are any networks running those things that graph how average americans feel about what is being said?

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:08 (twelve years ago)

word. you can hear their dry mouths. while pronouncing "trickle down".

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:08 (twelve years ago)

Trickle-down government are you kidding me gtfo

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:08 (twelve years ago)

does romney's flag have a little cross on it?

― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 22:08 (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the cross is shrouded in flames

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:09 (twelve years ago)

i don't know if i can watch this. it sounds to me like they're both saying the exact same nonsense in the exact same way.

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:09 (twelve years ago)

i think the pin is a big circle in the middle of it, gr8 design. much bigger than the other guy's tho, he loves america more

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:10 (twelve years ago)

and this fool isn't answering the question

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:10 (twelve years ago)

"here's my plan. part one. we've got to fix education. part two. we need to become energy independent. part three. we need to increase trade with other countries."

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:10 (twelve years ago)

also it is pretty boring
xxp

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:10 (twelve years ago)

part four was 'balance the budget', QUICK NOTHING TO SEE HERE ONTO POINT FIVE

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:11 (twelve years ago)

I'm gonna see how long I can stand this

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:11 (twelve years ago)

I DON'T HAVE A TAX CUT of the scale you're talking about

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:11 (twelve years ago)

anyone going to mention the poor tonite?

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:11 (twelve years ago)

when I turned the TV on I learned that "Jim Thome" is pronounced "Jim TOE-mee" and not "Jim Thome"

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:11 (twelve years ago)

haha the economy tax

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:12 (twelve years ago)

is 'become energy independent' as wacky as it sounds or do people actually believe that is a thing that might feasibly happen

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:12 (twelve years ago)

maybe if we push nuclear real hard, also electric cars

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:12 (twelve years ago)

I give up

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:12 (twelve years ago)

'economy tax' can go down as failed mitt soundbite #1.

Perfect Chicken Forever (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:12 (twelve years ago)

These fuckin assholes and gas prices, counting on people being economically illiterate.

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:12 (twelve years ago)

workers creating their own pathways

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:12 (twelve years ago)

kinda feel bad for our peeps required to 'liveblog' this for lols

what a world

mookieproof, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:13 (twelve years ago)

oh look the Orioles are losing

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:13 (twelve years ago)

this is a question he's asking of obama?

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:13 (twelve years ago)

lol

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:13 (twelve years ago)

the guardian liveblog seemed so totally idiotic i am impossible of feeling bad for its author on any level so

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:13 (twelve years ago)

mitt is doing pretty okay?, like given that barack is just gonna be boring & talk about tax scales in a boring voice i feel like his counting-things-off-his-fingers is gonna work okay, unless he like wipes his nose with a $100 bill or something

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:13 (twelve years ago)

this just in, Mitt likes coal

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:14 (twelve years ago)

this thing is 90 minutes and will boil down to like 3 moments so who the hell knows how this is going

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:14 (twelve years ago)

CLEAN COAL FUCK YOU

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:15 (twelve years ago)

JonahNRO Hint of new foreign policy. RT @DanFosterNRO Romney not running for president of "North America", but used the phrase twice. Cut it out.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:15 (twelve years ago)

will boil down to the couple of seconds where we see mitt quickly ducking his head down to bite on the microphone cord and feed from the power of its wires

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:15 (twelve years ago)

lol obama talking over the moderator

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:15 (twelve years ago)

RichLowry scattershot answer from mitt. wld have been better to focus exclusively on taxes and spending

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:16 (twelve years ago)

@normmacdonald: WHAT ABOUT MIDDLE-CLASS WOLFMANS???????

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:16 (twelve years ago)

@FilthyRichmond Romney: "To the window. To the wall. To the jobs trickle down my balls"

boxall, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:17 (twelve years ago)

MY BOYS ZINGER

Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:17 (twelve years ago)

Mitt Romney campaigning for O.N.A.N. president

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:17 (twelve years ago)

romney is used to ppl lying to him and trying to convince him of things that aren't true

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:17 (twelve years ago)

That 5 trillion tax tautology mitt just stated just made every logician in America howl in rage

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:18 (twelve years ago)

Does "never mind" count as a zinger?

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:19 (twelve years ago)

Obama zing w/"never mind"

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:19 (twelve years ago)

Haha xp

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:19 (twelve years ago)

matharithmetic

(╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:19 (twelve years ago)

obama is reminding me of the way i feel in job interviews when i am worried i am literally about to stop talking & just hear the cyclical howl of a linguistic void in my head

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:20 (twelve years ago)

BOOM

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:20 (twelve years ago)

Haha, dude's pissing off Trump.

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:20 (twelve years ago)

horribly formed donald trumpism
xp lol

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:20 (twelve years ago)

obama is reminding me of the way i feel in job interviews when i am worried i am literally about to stop talking & just hear the cyclical howl of a linguistic void in my head

omigod this happens in a classroom too

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:21 (twelve years ago)

Nice Trump zing, Obama.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:21 (twelve years ago)

Lehrer needs to smack Romney.

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:21 (twelve years ago)

just the dry sound of the last thing you head & an utter deconstruction of whatever it was you were asked to its constituent morphemes and inflections

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:22 (twelve years ago)

this happened to me today. it's the very worst when you're trying to read off a sheet of paper, and you start hearing the echo of your own voice bounce back at you at you bounce back back

cherry (soda), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:22 (twelve years ago)

last ting you heard*

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:22 (twelve years ago)

Finally obama makes the distinction about the difference between romneys definition of small business and what it actually means.

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:22 (twelve years ago)

is it too much to hope for obama to just talk about tax rates under republican supergod reagan?

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:22 (twelve years ago)

also gonna say that romney sounds pretty presidential here, even if still an idjit

cherry (soda), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:22 (twelve years ago)

wtf mitt too many numbers

hope mitt pulls out a "homosocialist" zing

Euler, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:23 (twelve years ago)

Romney deliberately mixing shit like sales tax into small business rates

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:23 (twelve years ago)

Also romneys coaches obv told him to dodge questions w/noxious tautologies, this is insane.

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:23 (twelve years ago)

kathrynlopez isnt the being over thing the moderator's responsibilty? like the president complaining about the burdens of being potus? #debate2012

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:23 (twelve years ago)

hey btw the youtube stream has SPLITSCREEN, which the pbs stream doesn't. means you can see mitt staring/O sleeping while the other talks

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:23 (twelve years ago)

mitt has some shit up his sleeve look at him

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:24 (twelve years ago)

little bit shook

balls, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:25 (twelve years ago)

he looks like a guy who is about to say your kid is in my trunk so i think i'll park where i like

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:25 (twelve years ago)

"Those 3% that you do not call small businesses employ 50% of small business employees"

Uh wait what

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:25 (twelve years ago)

romney hand gestures sorta robotic and he always looks a tad defensive, obama seems pretty cool and on his game

idk. when obama talks it doesn't seem like romney is really listening

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:25 (twelve years ago)

wow, romney does NOT getting questioned.

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:25 (twelve years ago)

Mitt looking like a flailing bully somehow here

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:26 (twelve years ago)

watching this without really being able to hear because something else is louder is the way to go, they just look ridiculous with their boring suits and ties

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:26 (twelve years ago)

Gee, do you get the idea Mitt doesn't like being told he has to operate under someone else's rules?

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:26 (twelve years ago)

"my plan for tonight is to embroider, stretch, confuse, and occasionally simply invent the truth. also, go fuck yourself."

big-mammed punisher (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:26 (twelve years ago)

Jim Lehrer not going to keep it in for the rest of the show

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:27 (twelve years ago)

is a tax segment in which obama didn't mention mitt's evasions at all significant?, or is that just for later/a contingency plan/being civil unless it is more beneficial to do otherwise

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:27 (twelve years ago)

I LOVE BIG BIRD.

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:27 (twelve years ago)

in b4 9/11 invoked

(╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:28 (twelve years ago)

lol

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:28 (twelve years ago)

i like big bird

ticks up my sleeve (brownie), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:28 (twelve years ago)

good circle gesture mitt

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:28 (twelve years ago)

Jim Lehrer should whip out Gwen Ifill and let her have a go at Romney

cherry (soda), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:28 (twelve years ago)

haha Big Bird

piscesx, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:28 (twelve years ago)

I have this feeling that Lehrer's gonna say FUCK THIS and walk across the street for a Jim Beam and Coke.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:28 (twelve years ago)

"i would return this podium to its manufacturer"

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:28 (twelve years ago)

big bird first memorable line so far

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:28 (twelve years ago)

obama's downward look makes him look like a guy in some serene meditative state

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:28 (twelve years ago)

DEFUND BIG BIRD

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:29 (twelve years ago)

okay I thought Romney was doing great and really winning this thing until "fuck it I'm killing big bird"

Clay, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:29 (twelve years ago)

SELF DEPORT BIG BIRD

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:29 (twelve years ago)

In all fairness, Big Bird is just the right height.

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:29 (twelve years ago)

I would vote for big bird

Euler, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:29 (twelve years ago)

loling hard at "fuck it I'm killing big bird"

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:30 (twelve years ago)

http://www.whiteeyebrows.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/cj_and_big_bird.JPG

cherry (soda), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:31 (twelve years ago)

Mitt would probably never appear on Sesame Street because it has promoted homosexuality and black people

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:31 (twelve years ago)

GO AHEAD AND GRAB IT

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:32 (twelve years ago)

red states don't let their kids watch sesame street?

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:32 (twelve years ago)

PBS funding = 0.35% of the federal budget. God, this fucking guy.

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:33 (twelve years ago)

why is mitt going to make a comment about getting rid of a PBS subsidy anyways? that's like a beyond miniscule amount of money in context, that's kind of insulting - is this really the time and place to throw out a conservative talking point that in reality would have little/no effect on the nation's finances but would in fact probably upset a lot of people who appreciate their programming. it would be a lose-lose for a POTUS to cut PBS in reality!

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:33 (twelve years ago)

Big Bird killed taxes

Euler, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:33 (twelve years ago)

pbs is a right-wing bete noir

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:34 (twelve years ago)

i don't wanna kill jobs, just big bird

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:34 (twelve years ago)

"you never balance the budget by raising taxes" oh ok then

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:34 (twelve years ago)

"Jim Morrison ... died at 27. Jimi Hendrix ... DIED AT 27"

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:34 (twelve years ago)

Mitt's expression is so hard to take

Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:34 (twelve years ago)

Need some confirmation here: is Romney imploding?

ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:34 (twelve years ago)

not really

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:35 (twelve years ago)

man so much wincing from romney here

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:35 (twelve years ago)

happy that "corporate welfare" is actually mentioned

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:35 (twelve years ago)

Mitt looks like he's taking notes but he's just scribbling "niggerniggerniggerniggernigger"

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:35 (twelve years ago)

he's def not imploding. arguably doing well enough that NRO will claim victory

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:35 (twelve years ago)

i'm watching it with some romney-sympathetic folks and ... he's connecting with his base, to say the least

cherry (soda), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:35 (twelve years ago)

http://gaming.stuartthompson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/mortal-kombat-1-test-your-might.png

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:36 (twelve years ago)

he keeps looking down at his words with friends

(╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:36 (twelve years ago)

"I don't wanna go down the path to Spain"
I do, assuming I'm as rich as he is.

Also could Romney look more pained?! No.

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:36 (twelve years ago)

romney's pwning so far

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:36 (twelve years ago)

whoa that sounds hot

Euler, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:36 (twelve years ago)

Romney didn't get any sleep last night, so he's probably pinching himself under the podium to stay awake.

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:36 (twelve years ago)

mitt doing v well fwiw
mitt looks psyched!, you know he is p satisfied w/his fallbacks like "why haven't you done it yet", &c

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:36 (twelve years ago)

feel like obama should have had big bird's back a little. would have been a capt. sully moment.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:37 (twelve years ago)

idk man, i am surprised at how much romney is flailing here, i was sorta worried for the first 5 minutes but hes breaking down pretty bad every time he opens his mouth now xpost

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:37 (twelve years ago)

he's really good at dissembling

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:37 (twelve years ago)

"time to end it" is p good, obama should chip in more it freaks mitt out

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:38 (twelve years ago)

O looks ten years older than he did four years ago

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:38 (twelve years ago)

just grin & spit some sass at the guy

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:38 (twelve years ago)

ya obama def shoulda mentioned big bird

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:38 (twelve years ago)

was thinking he looked oddly handsome tonight

cherry (soda), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:38 (twelve years ago)

Obama started somnolent but is picking up speed whereas Romney is throwing PBS SOLYNDRA CHINA to convince the base that he's cool

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:38 (twelve years ago)

guys i've been watching baseball has mitt chimed in on big bird yet

zachylon (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:39 (twelve years ago)

yeah, the sound clips of obama defending big bird would really do wonders with undecided voters

cherry (soda), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:39 (twelve years ago)

obama is a pretty intense guy

lol zach

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:39 (twelve years ago)

also are those life lines on the bottom of the screen, will one of them die if it hits the bottom

zachylon (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:39 (twelve years ago)

the hole or spot on mitts flag is buggin me out

Euler, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:39 (twelve years ago)

Romney's pauses are predictable, he's allowed Obama to get in some very brief contradictions during his time.

boxall, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:39 (twelve years ago)

so much disdain in mitt's voice when he said 'your poor'.

Perfect Chicken Forever (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:39 (twelve years ago)

zach, what channel has the lifelines???

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:40 (twelve years ago)

would like to see Mitt and O compete at high school policy debate, O would be way better at speed reading, Mitt better at ludicrous tactics like asserting that the opponent's policy would result in the destruction of the earth

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:40 (twelve years ago)

i never noticed before how poor mitt's enunciation is

j., Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:40 (twelve years ago)

at least poor folks got mentioned tonight, at least only in passing

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:41 (twelve years ago)

xp CNN, isn't this only on CNN?

zachylon (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:41 (twelve years ago)

Going with "let states decide how best to do X" is pretty fucking ballsy for Mittens considering that shit he pulled with the welfare ads.

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:41 (twelve years ago)

Obama sounding more confident now but he's the guy who loves using ENTITLEMENTS so

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:41 (twelve years ago)

haha, this is on every channel on the televisions

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:42 (twelve years ago)

oh lol why am i watching CNN

zachylon (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:42 (twelve years ago)

I figured it was on like 20 channels, and Youtube, it's not a primary debate.

boxall, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:42 (twelve years ago)

ha, todd barry tweets onscreen on abc

i am a sucker for this like personal-history entitlement-defence move

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:42 (twelve years ago)

Romney says he's never heard of a tax break for taking a jet overseas, "maybe I need to get a new accountant"

wait is that really what he said?

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:42 (twelve years ago)

i thought it was like the playoffs and different news channels get different debates, i need to sort out my mind

zachylon (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:42 (twelve years ago)

WSJ has it online w/o commentary and shitty lower thirds

cherry (soda), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:42 (twelve years ago)

wonder if O will take a law school gig post-presidency or do the normal boring speaker circuit thing

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:43 (twelve years ago)

he said maybe YOU need to get a new accountant, speaking to Obama

boxall, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:43 (twelve years ago)

i wanna know if one of them's gonna die tho

sorry i'm such an american plebe

zachylon (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:44 (twelve years ago)

both these guys are nervous as hell

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:44 (twelve years ago)

the loser is killed, yes

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:44 (twelve years ago)

obama needs to return some more stares. like glares shot across a high school classroom. i need to feel the simmer.

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:44 (twelve years ago)

no he said *I* because he'd never heard of the break

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:44 (twelve years ago)

ha

i feel like just watching people coil up & wait to respond is just fascinating, such internal drama etched across their faces

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:44 (twelve years ago)

OK, maybe I misheard.

boxall, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:45 (twelve years ago)

mitt getting his asshole-smirk on, he kinda had an alternative, gentler smile for the first while

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:45 (twelve years ago)

I think the average american voter has been sleeping through everything but the big bird shoutout

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:45 (twelve years ago)

pro tip: nbc is running this without any tweetstreams or idiot undecided paddle flippers or any of that bullshit cluttering up your screen

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:45 (twelve years ago)

'if you're 54, or 55, you might wanna listen.'

j., Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:45 (twelve years ago)

zach it's a sample pool of voters who hold down a button for approval in real-time. dumb imo

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:45 (twelve years ago)

big bird shot a senior

Euler, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:46 (twelve years ago)

And everyone knows you *normally* have a high opinion of the average American voter. cps

boxall, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:46 (twelve years ago)

"If you're 54 or 55, you might wanna listen"

Romney left that door wide open

xposts!

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:46 (twelve years ago)

Smirking Romney reminds me of Charles Grodin in Real Life when he killed that horse.

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:46 (twelve years ago)

this is going to get called for romney

it's smdh time in America (will), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:47 (twelve years ago)

taking seniors out cuts the 47% to what, 30%

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:47 (twelve years ago)

Obama's owning of "Obamacare" is so, so funny and great

Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:47 (twelve years ago)

i have not seen that but yeah that looks like what he's doing. it's getting out of hand, he looks like he has his face through a door with shelley duvall on the other side.

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:47 (twelve years ago)

zach it's a sample pool of voters who hold down a button for approval in real-time. dumb imo

― zvookster, Wednesday, October 3, 2012 9:45 PM (19 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

CNN exec: what do these debates need to--
wolf blitzer: CONSTANT FOCUS TESTING

zachylon (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:48 (twelve years ago)

the cnn roller is actually specifically colorado undecided voters, which is to say the stupidest people on the planet, or at least the dumbest ones in colorado

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:48 (twelve years ago)

romney needed a much bigger win than the contested one he'll have coming out of tnite

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:48 (twelve years ago)

Obama's owning of "Obamacare" is so, so funny and great

― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 22:47 (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

every multiply air-quoted sanctimonious mention of ""obamacare"" should be an opportunity for obama to rep for a really big ass health programme imo

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:49 (twelve years ago)

no I think we can say planet xp

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:49 (twelve years ago)

this is going to get called for romney

― it's smdh time in America (will), Thursday, October 4, 2012 1:47 AM (1 minute ago)

i dont think so

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:49 (twelve years ago)

Colorado ppl should vote for the guy who doesn't probably want to bulldoze their mountains

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:49 (twelve years ago)

Romney just can't win health care arguments

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:50 (twelve years ago)

What the fuck, shouldn't Lehrer be able to cut their mikes?

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:50 (twelve years ago)

Mitt is so fucking desperate

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:50 (twelve years ago)

obama dissected the vouchers v. well, romney shoulda just let it be

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:51 (twelve years ago)

If you can't win talk over your opponent

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:51 (twelve years ago)

jim is druuuuuuuunk

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:51 (twelve years ago)

Could Romney have won the primaries if he had owned up to Romneycare?

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:51 (twelve years ago)

god i really really hate mitt romney

Clay, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:51 (twelve years ago)

Romney is really blurring his words.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:51 (twelve years ago)

I thought this was a new format where Lehrer can let them run long, I think they should talk over him.

boxall, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:51 (twelve years ago)

you can't have people opening up banks in their garage

j., Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:51 (twelve years ago)

"why precisely should you of all people be president" a good question to direct to Mitt

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:51 (twelve years ago)

"how dare you."

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:52 (twelve years ago)

"You hafta have regulation!"

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:52 (twelve years ago)

mitt looks so defensive so often even when he's got the floor

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:52 (twelve years ago)

god i really really hate mitt romney

― Clay, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 22:51 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:52 (twelve years ago)

barack obama: he supports the failed garage model of banking

Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:53 (twelve years ago)

Mitt is CRANKED UP

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:53 (twelve years ago)

mitt getting all cranked up & obama being all laid back is a winning dynamic i think, it's mitt's weird side

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:53 (twelve years ago)

LOL Lehrer! "No, let's not, let's let him respond."

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:53 (twelve years ago)

O's vibe is WAY more controlled and R's is twitching, but not to Dubya/McCain levels

xp ha

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:53 (twelve years ago)

mitt is one step from flopsweat here imo and looking pretty rude, and rude doesnt get you elected or look presidential

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:53 (twelve years ago)

Romney actually criticized Wall Street implicitly. JUJITSU

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:54 (twelve years ago)

romney is doing a lot of blinking

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:54 (twelve years ago)

O doing the macarena

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:54 (twelve years ago)

middle america doesn't like blinkers

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:54 (twelve years ago)

yeah romney might be 'winning the debate' but he's not looking v appealing on a personal level

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:54 (twelve years ago)

mitt does seem rude. but obama seems a little like he's tripping over his own words? like his flow is choppy or something.

horseshoe, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:54 (twelve years ago)

@mattyglesias Watch Jim Lehrer then imagine a bunch of doddering elderly people shopping around for an optimal insurance package.

Sharpest thing yglesias has ever said probably.

Clay, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:54 (twelve years ago)

R on adderall? would be kinda cool

Euler, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:55 (twelve years ago)

was that laughter there, sorry is there an audience? i missed the intro. i'm in dumb Brit mode here.

piscesx, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:55 (twelve years ago)

lotsa talking about bank bailouts without mentioned who's Admin was in charge then

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:55 (twelve years ago)

romney wants to let big banks fail? eh?

j., Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:55 (twelve years ago)

there's usually an audience but they aren't miked directly xp

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:55 (twelve years ago)

Obama should have a scotch right before the next debate. Romney of all people seems more fluid in comparison.

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:56 (twelve years ago)

audience were told not to react audibly

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:56 (twelve years ago)

Ezra Koenig bi-partisan support 4 baggy suit pants - the nation has finally united against "skinny," new decade has officially begun

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:56 (twelve years ago)

audience were told not to react audibly

― zvookster, Wednesday, October 3, 2012 9:56 PM (30 seconds ago)

Applaud via smell

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:57 (twelve years ago)

mitt does seem rude. but obama seems a little like he's tripping over his own words? like his flow is choppy or something.

― horseshoe, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 22:54 (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he should just say less. who even cares about arguments. the best moments are him zoning out or politely smiling while mitt affects caring human emotions. just like laugh, flash a grin, yield your time to mitt. straight up walk off the stage, leave everyone just amazed, wondering where you've gone, just shocked, then come back on dragging a chair behind you. sit & gesture for mitt to continue.

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:57 (twelve years ago)

romney got my vote

(╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:57 (twelve years ago)

DEATH PANELS

Euler, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:57 (twelve years ago)

obscene hand gestures were specifically ok-ed

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:57 (twelve years ago)

whatever just happened facially after "fourth?" needs to be gif'd

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:58 (twelve years ago)

"Expensive things hurt families." - Mitt Romney.

ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:58 (twelve years ago)

jahbs?

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:58 (twelve years ago)

lol at an email that Sullivan posted:

It's 9:46, and you're becoming hysterical. Romney is so aggressive he's frightening. He's lying so quickly and changing positions so radically that no one could keep up with it. Take it easy. Obama seems like a normal person. Romney seems like he's been drinking Red Bull for 72 hours straight. It is not attractive.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:58 (twelve years ago)

has this ... been going on for an hour

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:58 (twelve years ago)

jerbs!

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:58 (twelve years ago)

methy America is where Romney does best

it's smdh time in America (will), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:59 (twelve years ago)

mitt wants to send big bird to the death panels

Euler, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:59 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C4ayBHTES0

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:59 (twelve years ago)

I'm waiting for Obama to mention Romney's Mass plan.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:59 (twelve years ago)

think O made a comeback, more comfortable on regulation vs R lookin kind of wild and panicky

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 01:59 (twelve years ago)

Fuck I'm not even watching this but I'm terrified now

Is romney winning?

farte blanche (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:00 (twelve years ago)

this is a stuttery breakdown, obamacare should flow like sweet music

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:00 (twelve years ago)

TEH PRESIDETN JUST SAID "JERK YOU AROUND" ON TV

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:00 (twelve years ago)

ha ha ha

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:00 (twelve years ago)

there it is

horseshoe, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:00 (twelve years ago)

fortunately winning the debate doesn't get you bonus EVs

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:00 (twelve years ago)

THERE's the Massachusetts mention.

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:00 (twelve years ago)

Mitt gonna end this by trying to eat O's face

Euler, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:00 (twelve years ago)

"i think i had 5 seconds before you interrupted me" i lol'd

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:00 (twelve years ago)

"....I had 5 seconds before you interrupted me."

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:01 (twelve years ago)

MASSACHUSETTS ROMNEY

horseshoe, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:01 (twelve years ago)

seriously feed obama a scotch- nervous gui relax buddy

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:01 (twelve years ago)

o's doing a weird elidey-stammery thing, like ice skating over a cobblestone road

cherry (soda), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:01 (twelve years ago)

romney still has that 'i can make nothing but empty promises and not have to defend myself' glow and confidence, obama's sort of weary compared to where he was in 08

this is the only thing that matters

zachylon (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:01 (twelve years ago)

omg i hate you romney

horseshoe, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:01 (twelve years ago)

's doing a weird elidey-stammery thing, like ice skating over a cobblestone road

― cherry (soda), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 23:01 (9 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

please more debate descriptions that sound like japanese poems

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:01 (twelve years ago)

this is depressing.

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:02 (twelve years ago)

Obama going to order death panel to execute Romney

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:02 (twelve years ago)

m@tt i dont think so at all, if that helps

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:02 (twelve years ago)

Honestly the problem with this debate from an entertainment standpoint is that it's kinda substantive.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:03 (twelve years ago)

lol @ "republican plan"

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:03 (twelve years ago)

I mean, not SUPER substantive, but enough to make it boring.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:03 (twelve years ago)

republican scheme?

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:04 (twelve years ago)

tipsy otm.

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:04 (twelve years ago)

Doctors Etc!

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:04 (twelve years ago)

"you, nancy pelosi and harry reid pushed through, toil and trouble, medicare brew and pbs bubble"

cherry (soda), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:04 (twelve years ago)

this is a real good answer imo

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:04 (twelve years ago)

Welp, someone at KitchenAid just got themselves fired:

@Mike_FTW: They’ve deleted it, but here it is: @KitchenAidUSA: Obamas gma even knew it was going 2 b bad! ‘She died 3 days b4 he became president’.

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:05 (twelve years ago)

i bet he's wearing magic underwear right now

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:06 (twelve years ago)

obama is thinking about it, getting all stammers

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:06 (twelve years ago)

man mitt is really twitchy right now. yikes.

scott seward, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:06 (twelve years ago)

He loves saying Obamacare

Moodles, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:06 (twelve years ago)

way to go, social media manager

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:06 (twelve years ago)

who the fuck is following kitchenaid on twitter and also why

zachylon (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:06 (twelve years ago)

we are the same on social security + "this was a republican idea"

can't wait for foreign policy debate where the real differences are, errrr

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:07 (twelve years ago)

mitt straight up lying about pre-existing conditions

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:07 (twelve years ago)

'free people'

j., Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:07 (twelve years ago)

he is just nonstop lying right now

horseshoe, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:08 (twelve years ago)

"already exists in the marketplace"

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:08 (twelve years ago)

this is just what republicans do in debates iirc

horseshoe, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:08 (twelve years ago)

really feel like obama's spock-discipline is not serving him as well as a worf-style "waitaminit asshole, you think what we ended up getting passed was what we wanted? i'll strike you dead where you stand."

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:08 (twelve years ago)

"i will be responsible for only 20,000 deaths over the next four years. under my colleague's plan we are looking at 40,000 to 60,000 deaths over just the next year alone."

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:08 (twelve years ago)

i can't even look at his giant lying redface

horseshoe, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:08 (twelve years ago)

Sesame Street, not Wall Street

Euler, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:08 (twelve years ago)

lotta funny misspellings on the Kitchenaid twitter feed

boxall, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:08 (twelve years ago)

mitt straight up lying about pre-existing conditions

― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 23:07 (19 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the gop 'health plans' are the most demonstrably awful phoned in attempts at participation ever, so terrible

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:08 (twelve years ago)

that big boom in the background there = about 100 secret service dudes nearly shooting somebody there i bet

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:09 (twelve years ago)

They used the #nbcpolitics hashtag so a bunch of people saw it. Xxxxxp

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:09 (twelve years ago)

lol "the largest expansion of private insurance" AND THAT'S MY PLAN TOO NOT A GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:10 (twelve years ago)

Obama nicely tying up the knots here

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:10 (twelve years ago)

obama managing to overstep his time way more delicately than romney does, yelping a lot less

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:11 (twelve years ago)

yeah

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:11 (twelve years ago)

Lehrer just gave up trying to change questions there

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:11 (twelve years ago)

are debates like football games? controlling the clock generally indicates a more robust offense?

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:11 (twelve years ago)

REAGAN REAGAN REAGAN

zachylon (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:11 (twelve years ago)

andrew sullivan thinks obama is losing = obama is winning

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/10/live-blogging-the-first-presidential-debate-2012.html

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:11 (twelve years ago)

Leher needs to sack up and tell Romney to fuckin chill

it's smdh time in America (will), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:12 (twelve years ago)

TIP O TIP O TIP O

zachylon (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:12 (twelve years ago)

obama allowing himself to warm up a bit here.

collardio gelatinous, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:13 (twelve years ago)

lehrer in HD.... *shudder*

(╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:13 (twelve years ago)

STATES RIGHTS

Yeeeeehaw

Euler, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:13 (twelve years ago)

i hope this concludes w/lehrer crying and slamming a door

zachylon (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:13 (twelve years ago)

I love the timid little "uh" "excus-" under the talking when they go overtime

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:13 (twelve years ago)

"obama managing to overstep his time way more delicately" = I think this will come across to some people as different standards though, bet Republicans really go after Lehrer for bias after tonight

boxall, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:13 (twelve years ago)

are any of the moderators of these debates women? i feel like this was an issue last time (& presumably forevermore before that), this guy is such a sleepy suppertime pete

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:14 (twelve years ago)

Obama is winning this thing, even with all the stammering

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:14 (twelve years ago)

first Lincoln ref, get some Daniel Day Lewis is here

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:14 (twelve years ago)

He just seems exhausted, which he probably is

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:14 (twelve years ago)

"and now your question, mister romney"
(awkwardly gnaws at thick slice of gammon with knife & fork)

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:14 (twelve years ago)

"Obama is winning this thing,"

def not what's going to be said tomorrow

it's smdh time in America (will), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:15 (twelve years ago)

romney is simply showing his dedication to deregulation by deregulating the debate itself

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:15 (twelve years ago)

can we get that stammer under control or

(♥___♥) (roxymuzak), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:15 (twelve years ago)

there never is a consensus on a winner in these debates unless one of them starts crying

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:15 (twelve years ago)

in a second hes going to go run out and start drilling for oil under lehrers desk

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:15 (twelve years ago)

i love great schools

j., Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:16 (twelve years ago)

honest headlines tmmrw: "NOTHING HAPPENED HUG YOUR CHILDREN"

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:16 (twelve years ago)

haha

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:16 (twelve years ago)

omg this is boring

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:16 (twelve years ago)

oh man imagine if Romney started crying

set me on fire RAAAAH (DJP), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:17 (twelve years ago)

there never is a consensus on a winner in these debates unless one of them starts crying

― Evan, Thursday, October 4, 2012 2:15 AM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the media always ignores the polls about the debates too

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:17 (twelve years ago)

romney is simply showing his dedication to deregulation by deregulating the debate itself

― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, October 3, 2012 10:15 PM

lol

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:17 (twelve years ago)

oh HELL yeah, "religious tolerance" lets get some dog whistles in here

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:17 (twelve years ago)

um children of the same god, eh?

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:17 (twelve years ago)

is mitt romney talking about government caring for the unfortunate?

horseshoe, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:17 (twelve years ago)

o fuck here we go "God"

it's smdh time in America (will), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:17 (twelve years ago)

i thought maybe when he mentioned reagan
xp, re: soft romney tears

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:17 (twelve years ago)

did he just say "we are all children of the same god"

set me on fire RAAAAH (DJP), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:17 (twelve years ago)

what is this romneys 10th grade civics presentation on the constitution shut your fucking mouth

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:17 (twelve years ago)

@MPenn: Obama's not doing great because it's a much harder job to discuss disparate and complex reality than it is to run a memorized scam

(That's musician Michael Penn, not asshole Mark Penn.)

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:17 (twelve years ago)

oh man imagine if Romney started crying

― set me on fire RAAAAH (DJP), Wednesday, October 3, 2012 10:17 PM (16 seconds ago)

I'm counting on a nosebleed

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:18 (twelve years ago)

"i'm sorry folks, i did a tremendous amount of blow earlier this evening"

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:18 (twelve years ago)

lol @ "trickle down government"

horseshoe, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:18 (twelve years ago)

just kidding no lols i hate you romney

horseshoe, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:18 (twelve years ago)

(That's musician Michael Penn, not asshole Mark Penn.)

that's asshole musician Michael Penn

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:19 (twelve years ago)

did he just say "we are all children of the same god"

just IMAGINE if he named a god we had never heard of
in an ancient tongue

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:19 (twelve years ago)

did he really repeat trickle down govt?

boxall, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:19 (twelve years ago)

we are all children of χθόνιος

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:19 (twelve years ago)

"Poor kids - I mean, 'lower income' kids..."

ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:19 (twelve years ago)

keep safe-search on if you google "trickle down"

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:19 (twelve years ago)

Penn OTM

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:19 (twelve years ago)

Yog-Sotthoth

Loo Reading (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:20 (twelve years ago)

i've got to assume that the "trickle-down government" phrase is an attempted bait for something better? obama's not biting.

obamana (abanana), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:20 (twelve years ago)

"It wasn't very detailed(this seems to be a trend)"

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:20 (twelve years ago)

im pretty sure that romney corrected "poor children" to "lower income children" during his education response because he may not be aware that poor children are still allowed to go to school

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:20 (twelve years ago)

we are all children of χθόνιος

― Mordy, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 23:19 (1 second ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

me and my opponent may argue over taxes - we may have differences over obamacare - but i never doubt that we are both children of χθόνιος, a loving and merciful god

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:20 (twelve years ago)

did he just say "we are all children of the same god"

just IMAGINE if he named a god we had never heard of
in an ancient tongue

― unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Wednesday, October 3, 2012 10:19 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

debate's almost over, not one mention of kolob

zachylon (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:21 (twelve years ago)

obama seems so tired

horseshoe, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:21 (twelve years ago)

also when he said lower income children i imagine an internal monologue of "dont say urchins! dont say urchins!"

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:21 (twelve years ago)

omg @ "costly pussy riot"

set me on fire RAAAAH (DJP), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:22 (twelve years ago)

praise be to χθόνιος

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:22 (twelve years ago)

house / airplane first real zinger?

boxall, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:22 (twelve years ago)

I can't believe I made myself sit through this thing

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:22 (twelve years ago)

bet Mitt was very proud of his entitled to his own facts line

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:22 (twelve years ago)

the president is entitled to his own house. zing!

obamana (abanana), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:22 (twelve years ago)

oh was that one of his zingers?

set me on fire RAAAAH (DJP), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:22 (twelve years ago)

omg @ the idea mitt had said "costly pussy riot" & i missed it

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:22 (twelve years ago)

'not entitled to your own facts' GTFO Romney

it's smdh time in America (will), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:22 (twelve years ago)

He's tired? I'm tired

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:22 (twelve years ago)

teachers? i thought that was a state issue

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:23 (twelve years ago)

i guess that was one of the practiced zings

(♥___♥) (roxymuzak), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:23 (twelve years ago)

On dude do not pretend like you would hire more teachers jesus

Clay, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:23 (twelve years ago)

house/airplane/FACTS! so awful

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:23 (twelve years ago)

I think 'you've put 90 billion dollars into green jobs' is not the kinda zing romney thinks it is

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:23 (twelve years ago)

did he build that zing?

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:23 (twelve years ago)

I've only caught like one Romney zinger and it was way early

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:23 (twelve years ago)

there never is a consensus on a winner in these debates unless one of them starts crying

iirc, even Reagan's handlers didn't try to claim that Reagan won the first debate in '84.

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:23 (twelve years ago)

the best health records in the world????

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:23 (twelve years ago)

oh here we go

set me on fire RAAAAH (DJP), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:23 (twelve years ago)

Romney trying to get in prepared shots like dumping on the green jobs/contributors thing

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:23 (twelve years ago)

obama slowly pivoted away from romney over the debate, he is straight up looking the other way now

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:23 (twelve years ago)

needy jim

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:24 (twelve years ago)

Soylent Green Jobs

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:24 (twelve years ago)

holy shit grade the schools so parents can take their kids elsewhere you asssssshole

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:24 (twelve years ago)

iirc, even Reagan's handlers didn't try to claim that Reagan won the first debate in '84.

or Dubya's.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:24 (twelve years ago)

We lost a pod?

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:24 (twelve years ago)

dude what the fuck did you do to this debate does your dinner burn in the oven every night

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:24 (twelve years ago)

this is lehrer's spot for a feeny-esque lecture on speaking time

zachylon (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:24 (twelve years ago)

i could crush the future generations

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:25 (twelve years ago)

'of real...concern'

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:25 (twelve years ago)

Romney is unburdened by substance. He is content-free.

collardio gelatinous, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:26 (twelve years ago)

mister lehrer tear down this president

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:26 (twelve years ago)

"the reason i am in this race is because people are hurting in america" o really why were you in the last race then

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:26 (twelve years ago)

someone on facebook just statused "Will McAvoy for debate anchor!" and i want to die

zachylon (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:26 (twelve years ago)

χθόνιος

http://www.acpgems.com/images/250_Ancient-god-_Converted_.gif

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:26 (twelve years ago)

Best zing of the night from Obama there re: "You're going to have a busy first day!"

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:26 (twelve years ago)

Karl Rove ✔ @KarlRove
Hahahaha! Own plane, own house, not own facts. 90 bill on green energy = 2 mil teachers!! Zingers!!

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:27 (twelve years ago)

Fuck it seems like ppl are saying mitt won which means mitt won which means he gets elected president tomorrow & everything is fucked I can't fucking take this election anymore and I knew this little shangri-la of sunny 538 blog posts just couldn't last....I hate all this so much and I didn't watch one second

farte blanche (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:27 (twelve years ago)

whoa sit down slow breaths

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:27 (twelve years ago)

holy shit grade the schools so parents can take their kids elsewhere you asssssshole

― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, October 3, 2012

goes along with "let the money follow the child" = gut the schools for the benefit of private education + homeschoolers

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:28 (twelve years ago)

So glad to hear O. own conflict.

collardio gelatinous, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:28 (twelve years ago)

hey, a Don't Ask Don't Tell mention!

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:28 (twelve years ago)

this wasn't nixon jfk, carter reagan or clinton bush. no one "won." nothing happened. ppl just have really low expectations of romney that he surpassed.

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:28 (twelve years ago)

didn't people think that Reagan was very obviously beating Carter in the debate, as it was happening in 1980?

piscesx, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:28 (twelve years ago)

hey m@tt, what'd you think of tokyo jungle?

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:29 (twelve years ago)

anecdotally invoking inspirational Normals (ugh, sorry, but that's what it is!) is so dry

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:29 (twelve years ago)

@chrisrockoz: CNN: Reports that Obama will end the debate by holding up Bin Laden's head w/ his birth certificate in Bin Laden's mouth #debate #debate2012

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:29 (twelve years ago)

So glad to hear O. own conflict.

very weird rhetorical thing for obama to do - 'we fought the republicans on these things because they mattered' - better to make it sound like you chose to pick a fight over principles rather than you were sucked into one because the other guy just didn't like you, i guess

also that was a better closing statement than his closing statement

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:29 (twelve years ago)

legit lmao at anyone who thinks that mitt romney has a chance of winning this election

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:30 (twelve years ago)

'all those who are striving to get into the middle class'

j., Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:30 (twelve years ago)

j0rdan otm

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:30 (twelve years ago)

literally only one debate in the history of this country has mattered and it was the one where richard nixon didn't know that you can see sweat on television

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:30 (twelve years ago)

i feel like obama didn't answer the first question, because he was expecting to deliver an opening statement; & then delivered his closing statement before he got asked for one because it sounded like it was the last question

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:31 (twelve years ago)

Sulky: "10.29 pm. How is Obama's closing statement so fucking sad, confused and lame? He choked. He lost. He may even have lost the election tonight."

it's smdh time in America (will), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:31 (twelve years ago)

Obama has THE BEST comic timing of any prez ever.

piscesx, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:31 (twelve years ago)

obama lost. i'm voting romeny

(╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:31 (twelve years ago)

jill stein & gary johnson totally gaffe-free on that stage tonite

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:31 (twelve years ago)

the electoral college is bullshit but it cuts both ways, Mitt isn't pulling this out

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:31 (twelve years ago)

Also someone started @SilentJimLehrer twitter feed.

@SilentJimLehrer: ...but so...excuse me...

@SilentJimLehrer: ...the...um...

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:32 (twelve years ago)

meh it's not like this debate is going to change anyone's fundamental impressions of either candidate, no one fucked up real bad or totally dominated, i wouldn't worry too much. everyone in NRO-land will keep telling each other that Romney turned things around, but i'd be surprised if there's a major jump in the polls.

JoeStork, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:32 (twelve years ago)

can't think of a single first debate in my lifetime other than Clinton's in '96 (in which he merely had to look as if he could stand without an IV) where the incumbent didn't look defensive, so I can't imagine how President Romney will be sitting down with Harry Reid and Pelosi in January 2013.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:32 (twelve years ago)

RIP Big Bird

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:32 (twelve years ago)

that was super boring
screw you jim lehrer

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:32 (twelve years ago)

"iterally only one debate in the history of this country" - isn't there a whole thread dedicated to your pre-1997 musical education?

boxall, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:33 (twelve years ago)

school me, boxall

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:33 (twelve years ago)

nocturnal jim

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:33 (twelve years ago)

vp debate might be the only non boring one

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:33 (twelve years ago)

romney: I'M NOT A MONSTER I'M NOT A MONSTER
obama: hey guys i'm basically a republican chill out

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:34 (twelve years ago)

literally only one debate in the history of this country has mattered and it was the one where richard nixon didn't know that you can see sweat on television

― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, October 4, 2012 2:30 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

did the Clinton-Bush-Perot debate matter? The one where he talked to that lady in the crowd.

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:34 (twelve years ago)

obama is capable of doing better. today he was going over every talking point instead of focusing on his best ones. romney was contrarian instead of offering his own vision.

obamana (abanana), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:34 (twelve years ago)

Nixon had an infected knee from a car-door accident, J0rd. Whatcha think of Lincoln-Douglas?

You'll noticed, Mordy, I absented myself from the actual "big political event" cuz this wasn't one.

Instead I listened to the Andy Breckman-Ken Freedman debate from earlier tonight, in which the great soundbite was "If we can go to the moon, if we can kill the Kennedys, we can do anything."

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:35 (twelve years ago)

I was happy with the President's performance tonight, in that he had to deal with hyper-bollocks getting slung constantly and didn't flinch when the other would have.

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:35 (twelve years ago)

lol mitt just became a beauty contest winner for a minute

zachylon (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:35 (twelve years ago)

romney successfully appeared "human" republicans and χθόνιοςians rejoice

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:35 (twelve years ago)

all i can think about is this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tsVr5B0P4A

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:36 (twelve years ago)

president romney

(╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:36 (twelve years ago)

big bird

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:36 (twelve years ago)

"if we can kill the Kennedys, we can do anything"

it WAS you and me after all

omar little, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:37 (twelve years ago)

big bird only potential meme from tnite i think

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:37 (twelve years ago)

I've never noticed this before but yo, david brooks got some fucked up teef

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:37 (twelve years ago)

oh big bird already has a twitter from this the meme is alive

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:37 (twelve years ago)

that was super boring
screw you jim lehrer

haha

but hey at least it wasn't jim fucking cramer or goddamn wolf blitzer

dell (del), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:38 (twelve years ago)

all i can think about is this song

OTMFM. Best heavy-metal soul record ever.

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:38 (twelve years ago)

http://bobcargill.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/img_0546.jpg

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:39 (twelve years ago)

The talking point from this thing is Beltway types marveling at how this debate was "substantive," "specific," and "about the issues."

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:40 (twelve years ago)

@ChuckGrassley: Romney wis debate

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:40 (twelve years ago)

J0rdan I hope you lyao @ me for 4 more years, really

I just get wound up and I don't really follow politics & act like I don't care cause it's to depressing

hey m@tt, what'd you think of tokyo jungle?

― Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Wednesday, October 3, 2012 9:29 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha I didn't review it, messed w it a bit....seems like it's maybe more fun to think about than play?

farte blanche (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:41 (twelve years ago)

Chris Matthews is PISSED

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:41 (twelve years ago)

carville on cnn: "obama gave the impression that the whole thing was a lotta trouble"

(♥___♥) (roxymuzak), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:41 (twelve years ago)

oh shit things are over now that the grasster has weighed in

JoeStork, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:42 (twelve years ago)

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/27794759.jpg

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:42 (twelve years ago)

fox news ppl all saying romney was 'aggressive but friendly'

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:42 (twelve years ago)

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbckvqtsDf1qzb8z0o1_400.png

getting worried

zachylon (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:43 (twelve years ago)

my god that was tedious, where were the zingers i ask you my fellow americans, all the chuckleheads on tv saying romney won via being more animated, but obama won by keeping it boring and preserving the status quo

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:44 (twelve years ago)

not going for the big bird zinger is something I can never forgive obama for

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:45 (twelve years ago)

Not a single word said about civil rights or reproductive rights. Don't know if that's good or bad.

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:45 (twelve years ago)

Just switched to Fox News, tone is somewhat less jubilant than I expected. They're calling it for Romney, but even Pat Buchanan is all "Obama didn't make any grave mistakes."

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:45 (twelve years ago)

I've never noticed this before but yo, david brooks got some fucked up teef

― Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Wednesday, October 3, 2012 10:37 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

das why hes only allowed on pbs

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:45 (twelve years ago)

buchanan said he didn't think romney could have possibly done a better job

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:46 (twelve years ago)

Sullivan's suicidal for some reason.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:46 (twelve years ago)

Daddy let him down

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:46 (twelve years ago)

xpost that seems plausible, he had to both go aggressively after president and show he's not a monster and he probably did that well enough. i do wonder if this could be like 2000 where talking heads agree one way and then snl gives a different take and that take becomes cw. i'm guessing they're more likely to go after lehrer then play up aggressive romney.

balls, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:47 (twelve years ago)

romney threw a kitchen sink worth of bs, obama responded weakly. lot's of "seems to..." and "he would" type of shit. be declarative. speak it.

you all a buncha takers (say the sad bells of romney) (Hunt3r), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:47 (twelve years ago)

Yo, this is what Ari Shapiro looks like?! Jesus Christ.

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:47 (twelve years ago)

I genuinely believe that snl is about as important as fox news w/ these things

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:48 (twelve years ago)

who are these dweebs on abc? they're terrible. did they win a contest?

scott seward, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:48 (twelve years ago)

also when romney throws "your own plane" at you, you explain that's the people's plane, but romney can have his own car elevator in malibu. or his own dancing horse. or his own family olympics that are apparently better than the real olympics in london.

you all a buncha takers (say the sad bells of romney) (Hunt3r), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:48 (twelve years ago)

Press hated Al Gore from the start though.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:48 (twelve years ago)

Not a single word said about civil rights or reproductive rights. Don't know if that's good or bad.

― a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 23:45 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

other than romney leaving LIFE hanging in the air there were no social issues, can't really imagine these fitting into the sorta wonky economic policy debate?, though obv it would be nice if they were part of it

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:49 (twelve years ago)

i'm unclear - was this specifically the 'economy/budget' debate? foreign policy is next right? is third where women's reproductive rights could come in?

balls, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:50 (twelve years ago)

(Gallup video) Election Matters: Why the Debates Could Make a Difference

(♥___♥) (roxymuzak), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:50 (twelve years ago)

M@tt, you should try it, it really looks like some awesome japanese weirdness. I don't have a ps3, or I could speak more authoritatively on this

in related news, I got Red Dead Revolver working on a PS2 emulator on my desktop, which justifies my $1 purchase of it from a hott ginger chick at a yard sale two months ago

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:50 (twelve years ago)

yeah i agree iatee re:snl, just remembering that they did somehow get into gore's head and change his approach from debate to debate

balls, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:50 (twelve years ago)

i can't believe network news people STILL chuckle at references to the internet and twitter in 2012.

scott seward, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:51 (twelve years ago)

This was Ike vs Stevenson

The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:51 (twelve years ago)

Ari Shapiro looks exceedingly healthy.

collardio gelatinous, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:51 (twelve years ago)

msnbc wants obama to be v confrontational like they are on msnbc, which is prob not going to help any with the small % of undecided voters!

sullivan is uh prone to making v emotional snap judgments it seems?

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:51 (twelve years ago)

abc people even mentioned that we will know who won the debate when we see snl.

scott seward, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:51 (twelve years ago)

in related news miguel cabrera won the triple crown, fucking amazing

balls, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:51 (twelve years ago)

if that was a decisive debate for you, lord help you

set me on fire RAAAAH (DJP), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:52 (twelve years ago)

sullivan is uh prone to making v emotional snap judgments it seems?

Hahah understatement of the century.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:52 (twelve years ago)

Shields all in a huff over Obama's rope-a-dope.

collardio gelatinous, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:52 (twelve years ago)

i'm unclear - was this specifically the 'economy/budget' debate? foreign policy is next right? is third where women's reproductive rights could come in?

― balls, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 23:50 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i guess so?
i mean it's pretty fluid, what w/the sleepy ass moderators & how the candidates just try to jam all their talking points in anyway. iirc last time they kept changing the topic to the economy on account of its salience in the news. maybe a big takehome from this is that if this debate is the one most focused on the economy, & obama did fine, then he's pretty well set for the others, it easily being his biggest achilles heel? he's on p steady ground with a lot of other shit, cf foreign policy

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:52 (twelve years ago)

Everyone on twitter seems to be freaking out what do you guys think, did Obama blow this hugely or is this nbd

- A Concerned Canadian

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:53 (twelve years ago)

nbd

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:53 (twelve years ago)

i can't believe network news people STILL chuckle at references to the internet and twitter in 2012.

well, they HAVE ruined everything.

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:53 (twelve years ago)

nbd

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:54 (twelve years ago)

Hyperbullshitic level just went asymptotic. Event horizon will be reached during foreign policy debate.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:54 (twelve years ago)

nbd heh xposts

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:54 (twelve years ago)

there was absolutely nothing that happened tonight that will be remembered in 10 years

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:55 (twelve years ago)

if that was a decisive debate for you, lord help you

lord help us all i guess

you all a buncha takers (say the sad bells of romney) (Hunt3r), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:55 (twelve years ago)

Ppl seem really freaked out but maybe I should just stop following ppl who RT Andrew Sullivan?

-ACC

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:55 (twelve years ago)

that is a mantra for life IMO

set me on fire RAAAAH (DJP), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:56 (twelve years ago)

if I were you I would also unfollow anyone who is following someone who is following andrew sullivan, just in case

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:56 (twelve years ago)

max rt'd Sullivan everyone unfollow max

Clay, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:56 (twelve years ago)

i think theres a bunch of hysterics because romney was an effective blowhard but step 2 is do people like assholes and step 3 is the rollout of factual analysis where romney is going to get boned for mouthloading a bunch of lies and a bunch of nothingness

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:57 (twelve years ago)

I only followed it on twitter because I was on my way from one place in Toronto to another and I was getting worried

-ACC

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:57 (twelve years ago)

there was absolutely nothing that happened tonight that will be remembered in 10 years minutes

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:57 (twelve years ago)

this fucking guy

10.30 pm. But Romney's closing statement - very, very vague and highly deceptive. And is it me, or does he even SOUND like Reagan?

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:58 (twelve years ago)

except for big bird i already can't remember anything that happened

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:58 (twelve years ago)

Also, I won at debate bingo tonight, and the inebriated bar owner gave me a $10 card for doing so, so the night's booze expenditures were slightly offset.

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:59 (twelve years ago)

like idk i dont think tht the mushbrained undecideds are going to roll over for the rude guy that kept picking on that poor confused old man. also, if the narrative is that this didnt go well for o it will actually mobilize the base somewhat out of sheer romney related panic

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:59 (twelve years ago)

odds that big bird will referenced in the snl sketch?

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:59 (twelve years ago)

romney does not sound like reagan

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Thursday, 4 October 2012 02:59 (twelve years ago)

what is the highest percentage there is again? xpost

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:00 (twelve years ago)

in related news miguel cabrera won the triple crown, fucking amazing

― balls, Wednesday, October 3, 2012 10:51 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sick

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:00 (twelve years ago)

haha atlas shrugged commercial 2 on fox news

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:01 (twelve years ago)

tonite was
The Economy - I
The Economy - II
The Economy - III
Health Care
The Role of Government
Governing

but we "lost a pod", governing

next is town hall format, Qs on anything

VPs, Qs on anything

last is foreign policy

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:01 (twelve years ago)

I wasn't miffed at your alarm-bell use of "purview," Soto, I'm just staring vacantly into space while a distant voice in the back of my head goes, "Oh, shit!" like a car alarm in the middle of the night.

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:01 (twelve years ago)

Thank you for calming me down

Can you reassure me about Canadian politics too

-ACC

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:01 (twelve years ago)

you can always move to america if things get too fucked up

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:02 (twelve years ago)

i thought they both sounded bad tonight. i like that romney is now the JOBS candidate. he's all about the jobs.

scott seward, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:02 (twelve years ago)

They def need a proactive mod to make em seem different on foreign policy, I hope it's David Blaine.

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:03 (twelve years ago)

xpost polls are narrowing anyway so totally ready for characteristic dem panic to set in. format for pres debates: first - domestic issues, second - town hall, third - foreign policy. if gop house manages to pull off october surprise about benghazi coverup and turn it into issue americans care about maybe there's some potential there for romney but otherwise i'm guessing more echochamber aftereffects like his thinking tonight that obama support for alternative energy and defense cuts were obv places to attack.

balls, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:03 (twelve years ago)

jim lehrer sucked.

scott seward, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:03 (twelve years ago)

abc just keeps saying big bird over and over. great debate.

scott seward, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:04 (twelve years ago)

ugh second "will mcavoy should anchor" comment on facebook and i just realized aaron sorkin is actually gonna do that

zachylon (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:04 (twelve years ago)

I hate these stupid 'debate' affairs. It is hard to subject myself to them, but I do it just to see what truly happened. I can only hope that the media fact-checks the fucking hell out of Romney's bland denials about the substance of his proposals.

Otoh, he lied so convincingly that clearly he is cut from presidential timber. The irony is that, by choosing to lie about his plans, denying everything, and pulling it off so brazenly, Mitt probably did help himself a bit. Reminded me of Nixon and Reagan and Bush. And they all became president.

Aimless, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:04 (twelve years ago)

xpost polls are narrowing anyway so totally ready for characteristic dem panic to set in.

― balls, Wednesday, October 3, 2012 11:03 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://i.imgur.com/efVXa.png

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:05 (twelve years ago)

abc's twitter lady is kinda cute.

scott seward, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:06 (twelve years ago)

should have had her moderate the debate.

scott seward, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:06 (twelve years ago)

what kind of ads get put together with romney's words on his tax plans though? has he sort of done another 180 on his own plans and recent statements with this stuff?

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:07 (twelve years ago)

Vibe seems to be that Obama seemed tired or something but not that he handed anything big to Romz, right?

-ACC

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:08 (twelve years ago)

he's just saying it's not 5 trill of a sudden because loopholes

zvookster, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:09 (twelve years ago)

omg fox news' undecided fat white ppl focus group is amazing

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:09 (twelve years ago)

President Obama spent much of the debate acting like he was in trouble because he didn't take his wife out on their 20th wedding anniversary. He was bored and clearly wanted to be someplace else. --taegan goddard

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:09 (twelve years ago)

lag those aren't polls, that's nate silver's projection. which i do buy fwiw but the first time two polls in a row show romney tied or a point ahead in ohio or iowa moves to toss up there will be 'is obama blowing it?' pieces rolling out immediately.

balls, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:10 (twelve years ago)

journalists gotta write something

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:10 (twelve years ago)

24 hr news cycle etc.

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:11 (twelve years ago)

obama did look down too much. should have stared laser beams into mitt. i think mitt embarrasses him. which makes sense. but he has to force himself to look at mitt when mitt's talking.

scott seward, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:12 (twelve years ago)

Jim Lehrer is a sleepy Paddington Bear who never upsets anyone in power, have you never seen the shithead before?

If Obama was as bored as is said, you can live in hope for 1 in 10,000,000 Bulworth transformation next time.

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:12 (twelve years ago)

Giuliani is on msnbc right now getting yelled at by hipster anchor and maddow

johnathan lee riche$ (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:12 (twelve years ago)

also don't forget this Silver-graph
http://i.imgur.com/VBvid.png

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:12 (twelve years ago)

lag those aren't polls, that's nate silver's projection. which i do buy fwiw but the first time two polls in a row show romney tied or a point ahead in ohio or iowa moves to toss up there will be 'is obama blowing it?' pieces rolling out immediately.

― balls, Wednesday, October 3, 2012 11:10 PM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://i.imgur.com/kwnm5.png

here are some poll averages, agreed the press will float some romney surge stories, but polls are only tightening if you cherry pick

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:13 (twelve years ago)

omg fox news' undecided fat white ppl focus group is amazing

― iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:09 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this needs to be added to the lexicon, like 'neilson ratings' or something. 9% swing on the FatWhite index.

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:14 (twelve years ago)

rubio is being such a silly goon on hannity, why am i watching this and not making dinner

zachylon (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:14 (twelve years ago)

according to the fatwhite index there has never been a debate that has swung so many undecided voters

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:14 (twelve years ago)

By contrast with tonight's proceedings, the McCain-Obama debates were downright Shakespearean. I feel a touch of nostalgia for the pathos embodied in the old senator as the suave Obama danced around him.

The only thing that happened tonight is that Romney established a non-clumsy presence. That was the extent of his accomplishment, and somehow that will count as a "win" for some.

collardio gelatinous, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:14 (twelve years ago)

pound for pound the most successful debate ever

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:15 (twelve years ago)

lol rubio: "obama wants to stuff obamacare down our throats"

zachylon (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:16 (twelve years ago)

fwiw imho voters will find obamas desire to be anyware but that debate relatable

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:16 (twelve years ago)

palin is on!!!

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:16 (twelve years ago)

it feels like old times

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:17 (twelve years ago)

National polls are weak indicators compared to state-by-state electoral college projections, so silver's projections of electoral college outcomes, based upon state-specific polling is a much better gauge of the election's outcome than aggregate polls of the whole USA, whether or not they reflect 'likely voters' or just 'voting age population'.

Aimless, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:17 (twelve years ago)

'he didn't have his buddy the teleprompter out in front of him'

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:18 (twelve years ago)

iatee i just want to say that i think we may have found that our path to detente might just be lolling at this presidential race

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:18 (twelve years ago)

tempted to turn the tv back on

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:19 (twelve years ago)

palin is a uniter not a divider

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:19 (twelve years ago)

she is wearing hot pink

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:19 (twelve years ago)

oh man for a second i thought palin was going to call obama disenfranchised

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:20 (twelve years ago)

fox news angle is that obama isn't used to criticism
fox news angle is that obama isn't used to criticism
fox news angle is that obama isn't used to criticism
fox news angle is that obama isn't used to criticism
fox news angle is that obama isn't used to criticism
fox news angle is that obama isn't used to criticism
fox news angle is that obama isn't used to criticism
fox news angle is that obama isn't used to criticism
fox news angle is that obama isn't used to criticism
fox news angle is that obama isn't used to criticism

zachylon (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:20 (twelve years ago)

yeah srsly

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:20 (twelve years ago)

When did news programs start using twitterverse as a gauge for who wins a presidential debate?? I keep hearing different networks saying lets go to twitter to..... Isn't twitter just a toy?

JacobSanders, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:20 (twelve years ago)

Ok I'm going to bed

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:21 (twelve years ago)

also fox news angle is that "wow i am stunned we really thought that obama was going to do super well in this debate"

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:21 (twelve years ago)

tell that to the millions of people who now live in freedom thanks to twitter xp

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:21 (twelve years ago)

Okay, loving this:

https://twitter.com/DuffMcKagan/status/253692546767798272

EPIC! "@sebastianbach: @BarackObama makes me feel safe. Relaxed. Confident. Romney makes me feel like i'm hanging out w a dude high on blow"

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:21 (twelve years ago)

had to google twitterverse btw

JacobSanders, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:22 (twelve years ago)

Bach vs. Stapp FITE

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:22 (twelve years ago)

twitter is a place where every single political reporter in the world goes to share their unvarnished snap judgements, which obvs has a certain appeal to cable news types

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:23 (twelve years ago)

god its nice to remember just how stupid sarah palin really is, did victoria jackson dye her hair and steal her identity

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:23 (twelve years ago)

turned on npr to hear some shithead opining that "Romney looked like he was having the time of his life" and "Romney wanted it more"

JoeStork, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:25 (twelve years ago)

he's like a kid out there!

JoeStork, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:25 (twelve years ago)

@AlbertBrooks
Here's my idea: Don't get sick with either of these two guys.

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:25 (twelve years ago)

EPIC! "@sebastianbach: @BarackObama makes me feel safe. Relaxed. Confident. Romney makes me feel like i'm hanging out w a dude high on blow"

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, October 3, 2012 11:21 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:26 (twelve years ago)

mitt romney is having fun again

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:26 (twelve years ago)

@AlbertBrooks
Well, I'd rather have a beer with Mitt Romney because he doesn't drink and I could have both of them.

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:26 (twelve years ago)

I tot fucking agree w/ Albert Brooks after my waiting to hear if a $7000/month drug will be covered by my plan, btw.

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:27 (twelve years ago)

mitt romney tried fun once as a wayward teen

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:27 (twelve years ago)

fatwhites are back on

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:27 (twelve years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/QXvXm.jpg

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:29 (twelve years ago)

mitt romney tried fun once but never inhaled it into his brain

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:29 (twelve years ago)

i am recommending mitt hair to obama

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:30 (twelve years ago)

the one on the right kinda looks like andrew cuomo

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:30 (twelve years ago)

did most everyone who's not a news junkie hear out of the last two hours only this: "big bird"

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:30 (twelve years ago)

ha true xp

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:30 (twelve years ago)

quite likely xp

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:31 (twelve years ago)

hannity asking the unbiased questions here

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:31 (twelve years ago)

@ggreenwald
MSNBC tonight seems like a group therapy session for the deeply depressed and people with anger issues. It's actually disturbing to watch

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:32 (twelve years ago)

msnbc is always disturbing to watch

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:32 (twelve years ago)

the first step is admitting you have a problem

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:33 (twelve years ago)

Chris Hayes was good with Guiliani. Morbs I think you would have approved.

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:33 (twelve years ago)

@ggreenwald Turned on History Channel. No History.

balls, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:34 (twelve years ago)

oh man now we get giuliani on fox news after getting the shit kicked out of him on msnbc, its like post-debate christmas over here

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:34 (twelve years ago)

sloppy giuliani seconds

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:34 (twelve years ago)

they need to fire john kerry as debate proxy, bring some junkyard dog in and toughen this guy up

space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:37 (twelve years ago)

did Hayes ask him if Romney will win the fascist asshole vote?

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:37 (twelve years ago)

If the truly undecided sliver is as small as reputed, I can't imagine tonight will affect much. But Obama sure did let Romney get away with a lot. The first segment was interminable.

clemenza, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:38 (twelve years ago)

just wanna say that i have officially coined the term telepromptergate

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:39 (twelve years ago)

Many x-posts

did the Clinton-Bush-Perot debate matter? The one where he talked to that lady in the crowd.

The Mike Dukakis death penalty response was pretty memorable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF9gSyku-fc

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:39 (twelve years ago)

people who are dumb enough to not have made up their minds generally aren't the same people who sit through 90 mins of ppl arguing about tax deductions xp to clem

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:40 (twelve years ago)

Also, poor old Gerald Ford dug a deeper hole to fall into when he famously said that "There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe" in the debates with Carter.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:41 (twelve years ago)

awesome rubio feed freeze moments ago on cnn that somebody better have screencapped

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:41 (twelve years ago)

they will see that Romney wants to slaughter and devour big bird and that will make him like a tool
xp

Farrah Abraham had many songs/ many songs had Farrah Abraham (m bison), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:41 (twelve years ago)

also lmao at this snooze rest debate doing fuckall but give horse race boners to armchair qb's

Farrah Abraham had many songs/ many songs had Farrah Abraham (m bison), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:42 (twelve years ago)

fest*

Farrah Abraham had many songs/ many songs had Farrah Abraham (m bison), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:43 (twelve years ago)

i dont get everyone saying mitt won cause he was more animated, he seemed agitated and deeply uncool to me

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:43 (twelve years ago)

also obama explained stuff better and repeatedly got on mitt for lack of specifics, where mitt didnt have any point really

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:44 (twelve years ago)

Ike vs Stevensen, imho

The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:45 (twelve years ago)

yeah nobody came close to stumbling but I find it hard to imagine someone watching that and thinking that they would want to be in the same room as mitt romney

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:46 (twelve years ago)

Obama sure did let Romney get away with a lot.

I'm not sure what he let him get away with other than maybe not getting a chance to refute "robbed $750 million from Medicare" all three times or whatever it was.

timellison, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:47 (twelve years ago)

He got away with letting Romney ignore the last thirty years

The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:49 (twelve years ago)

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/grumpy-cat-i-had-fun-once-it-was-awful.jpeg

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:50 (twelve years ago)

(xxpost) That would be one thing; just in general, letting Romney glide past statements that, for anyone who's been paying attention, were obviously untrue. I'm going to be Mitt-like here and do a poor job of pointing to specifics, but I watched at a friend's, and there were a number of times where we waited for Obama to strongly knock down something and he didn't. He had a couple of strong segments.

clemenza, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:53 (twelve years ago)

ambitious, unprincipled and, I loved the "...you don't get to have your own facts...", mularkey considering the scrutiny he'll get for his own tenuous relationship to empiricism, not to mention any affection for the truth.

The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:53 (twelve years ago)

‏@TheRealRoseanne
Romney flim flam silverado Enron Anderson bullshit.

‏@TheRealRoseanne
Obama talking about health care markets--shameful.

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:55 (twelve years ago)

Romney's "You can have your own mini-putt course, but you don't get to have your own facts" zinger (or however it went) was rather anti-climactic.

clemenza, Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:57 (twelve years ago)

horse race boners

and we've come full-circle with horse cocks. It's like that scene in Crank 2 all over again

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:59 (twelve years ago)

I dunno, carville's post-game reaction on CNN was "obama didn't look like he wanted to be there" and their national poll followed up with 25% thinking obama won the debate while split even on likability

this is obama's to lose, he needs to get engaged and realize romney is a real opponent, not some buffoon on a lark

space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:07 (twelve years ago)

romney is actually some buffoon on a lark fwiw

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:09 (twelve years ago)

this is obama's to lose, he needs to get engaged and realize romney is a real opponent, not some buffoon on a lark

No shit. Obama seems to forget that the nuGOP will never play fair, will always lie, and has the tenacity of a junkyard dog.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:09 (twelve years ago)

A junkyard dog on a lark would offer the perfect mix of tenacity and unpredictability.

boxall, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:10 (twelve years ago)

the idea that polling people on who 'won' is in anyway meaningful to the outcome of the election is just so bizarre, i vote for the guy who got more heated in the debate!

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:11 (twelve years ago)

nothing happened in this debate it was boring and will not matter

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:11 (twelve years ago)

no one won

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:11 (twelve years ago)

romney is actually some buffoon on a lark fwiw

― lag∞n, Thursday, October 4, 2012 12:09 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://images.hitfix.com/photos/1201326/parks-and-recreation-the-debate-paul-rudd_article_story_main.JPG

l-r barack obama, mitt romney

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:13 (twelve years ago)

(if I post enough parks and rec gifs will Whiney somehow appear in the thread?)

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:14 (twelve years ago)

it's a perception of romney as a viable candidate, some people are looking for any excuse to vote against obama and until tonight romney hadn't given them one

space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:15 (twelve years ago)

people looking for any excuse to vote against obama will vote against obama

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:16 (twelve years ago)

I'd bet Romney gets a small bounce. I'd say he's going to get it out of the narrative surrounding the debate, but I won't put it on the media. I don't understand public perception on doing a yeoman's job in a campaign. You CANNOT ALWAYS HAVE FLASH. Same BS I've seen my whole life. Like that Dukakis clip. What was wrong with his answer on the question about the death penalty? NOTHING.

timellison, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:17 (twelve years ago)

also: romneys performance was not very good, wtf are you all on, did pained smiles suddenly gain massive cultural currency

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:17 (twelve years ago)

until tonight romney hadn't given them one

But what changed tonight really? Nothing imo.

Granted, undecided voters this close to the election are pretty much MORANS anyway, but I didn't hear anything from either guy that would seal the deal.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:17 (twelve years ago)

I'd bet Romney gets a small bounce. I'd say he's going to get it out of the narrative surrounding the debate, but I won't put it on the media. I don't understand public perception on doing a yeoman's job in a campaign. You CANNOT ALWAYS HAVE FLASH. Same BS I've seen my whole life. Like that Dukakis clip. What was wrong with his answer on the question about the death penalty? NOTHING.

― timellison, Thursday, October 4, 2012 4:17 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That question was absolutely disgusting and vile and I can't believe so many people believe that it was a valid question to ask in a Presidential debate.

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:19 (twelve years ago)

Wait several days and if nothing budges in the polls, we'll know no one cared. If by some chance Romney grabbed some votes, we'll see a bit of tightening of the gap and the media will all jump on this and file two thousand red hot opinion pieces about how everything has suddenly shifted and the race is now wide open!!!! I tell you!!!!!

Aimless, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:19 (twelve years ago)

The CNN poll numbers on the debate are pathetic.

timellison, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:19 (twelve years ago)

Like that Dukakis clip.

btw Bernard Shaw, that questioner, was a shit. xxxp! Fucking drill-sergeant moron.

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:19 (twelve years ago)

and I'm not saying this debate decided the election, I'm saying obama better stop acting like he's gonna explain himself into victory

a perception of good debate performance enlivens supporters, attracts donors, shapes media tone and coverage, let's not pretend they mean nothing

space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:20 (twelve years ago)

Dukakis death penalty answer was legitimately stupid IMO. I wonder how many votes he'd have won if he'd just gone "that question is way out of line and I'm not answering it."

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:21 (twelve years ago)

Wait several days and if nothing budges in the polls, we'll know no one cared. If by some chance Romney grabbed some votes, we'll see a bit of tightening of the gap and the media will all jump on this and file two thousand red hot opinion pieces about how everything has suddenly shifted and the race is now wide open!!!! I tell you!!!!!

― Aimless, Thursday, October 4, 2012 12:19 AM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they will do this even if the polls dont tighten, its easy enough to cherry pick whatever you need from the millions of polls released every day

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:21 (twelve years ago)

It's less about swaying people from Obama to Romney, more about people who are going to vote Romney or not vote, and whether they can be motivated enough to take an hour out of their workday.

boxall, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:21 (twelve years ago)

a perception of good debate performance enlivens supporters, attracts donors, shapes media tone and coverage, let's not pretend they mean nothing

― space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, October 4, 2012 12:20 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they generally mean nothing or next to nothing, boring ones like tonights particularly, you should stop pretending theyre a big deal

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:22 (twelve years ago)

a perception of good debate performance enlivens supporters, attracts donors, shapes media tone and coverage, let's not pretend they mean nothing

― space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, October 4, 2012 12:20 AM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark

they don't http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/10/03/what-political-scientists-know-about-debates/

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:22 (twelve years ago)

everyone's comparing it to the Kerry-Bush debate, but Obama didn't shit himself and say stuff like "you forgot poland"

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:26 (twelve years ago)

they generally mean nothing or next to nothing, boring ones like tonights particularly, you should stop pretending theyre a big deal

There's secondary effects. Debate gaffes are always good for SNL/Daily Show clips and political memes. Still, Lloyd Bentsen's ultimate "you're no Jack Kennedy" zing of doom did nothing for his campaign.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:26 (twelve years ago)

im curious to see how hard the fact checkers go at romney, perceptions could shift p fast, omg

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:28 (twelve years ago)

the problem with "ROMNEY WON!" spin is there's no clips to show really. It's a boost to his campaign in the sense that if he'd lost badly he'd be toast, I guess.

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:29 (twelve years ago)

Better title for that WP blog would be "Do [the substantive remarks made at] presidential debates matter," since it seems to consider "factors wholly beyond the candidates’ control, like media coverage, attractiveness" not part of the "debate" proper.

boxall, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:29 (twelve years ago)

it was smart of Romney to junk the zingers (if they were ever in there) cuz zingers w/ a crowd that is instructed to be silent wouldn't sound right imo

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:30 (twelve years ago)

people looking for any excuse to vote against obama will vote against obama

― lag∞n, Thursday, October 4, 2012 12:16 AM (3 minutes ago)

unless they suspect the person they're voting for has the competency of inspector clouseau. romney has without fail behaved like a complete fuckup over the past 30 days, but he pulled this one off.

romney was not king of all debaters but he seemed in control of his message and didn't get shaken, those undecided morans might decide who wins so maybe pretend to be a moran when evaluating his perf? if obama controlled that room like he should've we wouldn't even be having this discush.

space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:31 (twelve years ago)

chait makes a good point abt mitts ideological positioning tonight, which represented quite a shift

Tonight’s debate saw the return of the Mitt Romney who ran for office in Massachusetts in 1994 and 2002. He was obsessive about portraying himself as a moderate, using every possible opening or ambiguity – and, when necessary, making them up – to shove his way to the center. Why he did not attempt to restore this pose earlier, I cannot say. Maybe he can only do it in debates. Or maybe conservatives had to reach a point of absolute desperation over his prospects before they would give him the ideological space. In any case, he dodged almost every point in the right wing canon in a way that seemed to catch Obama off-guard.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/return-of-massachusetts-mitt.html

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:31 (twelve years ago)

if Mitt were winning the handsomness vote he'd be doing better with women

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:31 (twelve years ago)

Yeah--they each made two or three attempts at jokes, some better than others, but they all sounded weird when greeted by enforced silence. (xposts)

clemenza, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:32 (twelve years ago)

xps It seems like it's way too late for Mitt to pivot back to his actual moderate record, considering who he picked as his running mate.

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:32 (twelve years ago)

He was obsessive about portraying himself as a moderate, using every possible opening or ambiguity – and, when necessary, making them up

Yes--and that's where Obama most let him get away something. (I'm not weighing any effect on the election here, just trying to pinpoint my own frustration with Obama's performance tonight.)

clemenza, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:34 (twelve years ago)

"with something"

clemenza, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:35 (twelve years ago)

yeah i noticed romney's pivot also and several times (specifically when romney was saying he not anti-financial regulations) you could definitely tell obama wasn't ready for that.

balls, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:37 (twelve years ago)

man, if obama lets romney pull this kind of shit in the foreign policy debate... the libya thing is low hanging fruit at this point

space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:41 (twelve years ago)

Or presenting himself as the reasonable guy who can get along with the other side and get things done. Obama did push back on this a bit, with a specific reference right near the end to how beholden Romney's become to the right wing of his party, but I wish he'd gone harder at this. Also, Obama only alluded to the obstructionism he's had to contend with.

The good news, I guess, is that most everyone watching has already made up their mind on these things.

clemenza, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:43 (twelve years ago)

there's no good news

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:48 (twelve years ago)

true dat

re: foreign policy, I mean you'd have to forget that romney bumbled his way across half the globe, but if he talks tough and obama doesn't slap him down like he deserves, romney gets to define himself.

they're replaying this now, obama sounds like mr. factoid, romney sounds like he's taking a stand. I'm just listening to tones here.

space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:50 (twelve years ago)

fighting the good fight

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:52 (twelve years ago)

Jenna Jameson ‏@jennajameson
Get em @MittRomney !!!!!! You are the best!

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:55 (twelve years ago)

wow so romney "won", glad i didn;t watch

the late great, Thursday, 4 October 2012 04:58 (twelve years ago)

so do I have it right that Romney saying "I will cover pre-existing conditions" means "if you have coverage now or within the past 90 days, your pre-existing conditions will be covered"?? iow exactly how things were before Obamacare?

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:00 (twelve years ago)

That was one thing Obama called him on.

clemenza, Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:03 (twelve years ago)

yes you will be able to purchase insurance if you already were insured by an insurance company that will not sell you insurance. It's the mobius strip policy.

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:03 (twelve years ago)

But Mitt responded with some sort of "let me be clear here...I will cover pre-exisistings". that's some misleading sleazeball shit if he actually won't cover them.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:05 (twelve years ago)

Morbius strip policy? I don't think I'm going to ask for any further elaboration.

clemenza, Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:07 (twelve years ago)

romney bumbled his way across half the globe, bam bombed his way across half the globe

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:10 (twelve years ago)

Romney was definitely etching & sketching tonight, tacking center for the first time in this entire race. I think he told more and bigger whoppers; but yeah, if i were a low-information, persuaded-by-passion kind of 'swing' voter I would be thinking that Romney was worth a second look. I personally was put off by his grimacing and steamrolling Leher, but yeah, Romney more or less "won" this.

it's smdh time in America (will), Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:15 (twelve years ago)

Factual accuracy doesn't mean jack shit in these things

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:16 (twelve years ago)

when romney talks to obama, obama refuses to look at him. I can't blame him really but it creates an air of disengagement . some of obama's problems here are basic mechanics of debate behavior.

space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:17 (twelve years ago)

From The Corner:

[Romney] hasn’t put forward some key specifics, of course, and there is no good reason, political or substantive, for him to do a great deal of that right now. What an actual Romney agenda would look like in January depends a great deal on what happens in the congressional races and in the economy. Committing himself to too specific an agenda right now just provides the Obama campaign with targets and limits his scope of action later.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:19 (twelve years ago)

In other words, Mitt Romney shouldn't do what Barack Obama did in 2008 because we've been having a go at him daily over it.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:21 (twelve years ago)

*jazz hands*

space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:22 (twelve years ago)

???

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/04/1139682/-So-about-that-CNN-Snap-Poll

timellison, Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:29 (twelve years ago)

I think we all misunderstood this zingers thing - they weren't talking wacky one liners, they were talking the bizarre display of nonfactual or counterfactual message points, which Romney worked endlessly tonight. I still think that the pitbull strategy of shouting down the rules of the debate lost him as much as he gained, but I gotta say, despite my fury abt empty tautologies upthread, it was momentarily (with a huge stress on that word) effective.

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:31 (twelve years ago)

???

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/04/1139682/-So-about-that-CNN-Snap-Poll

― timellison, Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:29 (3 minutes ago) Permalink

so only old white people watch debates. I guess a lot of them vote, so it's like a primary.

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:33 (twelve years ago)

but they're all from the south... that's weird

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:34 (twelve years ago)

Ok as a dude that spent a bunch of time academically looking at sample groups and statistics, that is a clearly fucked up methodology for a poll.

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:37 (twelve years ago)

Def not on the "none dare call it conspiracy!" tip here, but somebody was asleep at the wheel there

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:40 (twelve years ago)

cnn did something stupid and worthless, color me fucking shocked

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:42 (twelve years ago)

Well yeah

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:43 (twelve years ago)

so i hear romney 'won' this one. shitty! ah well.

goole, Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:48 (twelve years ago)

it's so strange how a boring debate with no memorable moments was universally hailed as a triumph for romney, but that's where we are. And that perception does count; the media wants to see a comeback and they want every event to matter.

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:49 (twelve years ago)

When you center your campaign ads on the other guy sayign things that require backpedaling and denials, youlet the guy talk.

Norah Jones Protest Vote (Eazy), Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:56 (twelve years ago)

I think we all misunderstood this zingers thing - they weren't talking wacky one liners, they were talking the bizarre display of nonfactual or counterfactual message points, which Romney worked endlessly tonight. I still think that the pitbull strategy of shouting down the rules of the debate lost him as much as he gained, but I gotta say, despite my fury abt empty tautologies upthread, it was momentarily (with a huge stress on that word) effective.

― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, October 4, 2012 1:31 AM (13 minutes ago)

friend of mine posted a similar sentiment on FB, his last sentence points up the real problem. the american public gets a hard on for aggression, and obama needed to rise to the occasion, slap romney around. but he came off like a boring bureaucrat, a stereotypical bloodless liberal.

Romney went for the age old right wing approach to a discussion, that people like Bill O'Reilly and maybe one of your ignorant bigoted uncles have mastered, and that's the assumption that the more forceful or loud you say something the more factual it is. And Obama was half asleep the whole time.

space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 4 October 2012 06:01 (twelve years ago)

Yeah actually once I see it tied together like that, Romney was def channeling the current right via fox news' approach of bulldozing the conversation - why that is being heralded by the media/twittersphere at large as a damning victory is one of those uncomfortable grow a spine fellow lefty moments for me for sure

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 06:06 (twelve years ago)

in ilx terms romney hardmodded obama

space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 4 October 2012 06:10 (twelve years ago)

the jobs report comes out Friday

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 October 2012 06:22 (twelve years ago)

so how is romney, historically, with town halls

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Thursday, 4 October 2012 11:01 (twelve years ago)

David Axelrod flustered on MSNBC right now

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 4 October 2012 11:29 (twelve years ago)

Biggest problem is that Obama's strategy was based on the idea that the average voter has actually followed the presidential race without an ideological slant

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 4 October 2012 11:31 (twelve years ago)

isnt that also his biggest strength? there just arent that many undecided or reachable voters left. obviously 'media perceptions matter' but my guess is that vast majority of the people watching last night had their minds made up.

max, Thursday, 4 October 2012 11:49 (twelve years ago)

Even though I won't, I should spend a few days away from this. I'm not sure which I most want to avoid: Republican gloating, or an Obama sympathizer who can't even entertain the idea that he might have had a bad night.

clemenza, Thursday, 4 October 2012 11:50 (twelve years ago)

obama was so boring last night btw. i mean romney was boring too but he had this like caffeinated vibe that made him sort of scary and compelling, obama was just like those last 20 minutes you spend hanging out with your friends before you realize youre all tired and go home

max, Thursday, 4 October 2012 11:51 (twelve years ago)

if obama had just said 'mitt wants to fire big bird' imagine how different the reaction to the entire debate would be at this point

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 11:52 (twelve years ago)

I can't look at either of em, so Bam's halfway there.

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 11:55 (twelve years ago)

regardless you can color me an obama supporter who cant even entertain the idea he had a bad night but i think he kept it boring on purpose and it was the right strategy, mitt needed to land some big punches and all we got was some slap fighting, also the media and everyone elses focus on who won is ridiculous and grotesque, unless theres some way to tie winning on points to something that will actually affect voter behavior its completely vacuous

if you wanted to talk abt the substance, which could actually mean something to election, mitts turn to the center is def v interesting

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:00 (twelve years ago)

irish times reporting big romney victory, piece was p alarmingly slanted imo.

Randy Carol (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:04 (twelve years ago)

That's the way these things work, though--the media always focusses on "who won," as arbitrary and cosmetic as the criteria may be. Obama benefitted from that in '08, so he'll have to deal with being on the other end of that last night. I'm sure he'll do better in the next debate.

clemenza, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:07 (twelve years ago)

define benefited

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:09 (twelve years ago)

he was ahead going into the debates and then he won the election

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:09 (twelve years ago)

did the debates move the polls at all, prob not

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:10 (twelve years ago)

now if someone had looked as awful as al gore did i could maybe see it, but last night nothing happened

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:10 (twelve years ago)

im just basically mad because it was so boring

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:11 (twelve years ago)

i was promised zingers

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:11 (twelve years ago)

And they may not move the polls this time. Maybe we should wait and see.

Mitt's "You're not entitled to your own facts" was a world-class zinger, absolutely first-rate.

clemenza, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:12 (twelve years ago)

lol no

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:12 (twelve years ago)

obama can def hand in a C performance and get elected, this thing is a lock!

space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:13 (twelve years ago)

if we gonna wait and see if it moves the polls at all shouldnt you wait and see before you declare a victor xp

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:14 (twelve years ago)

Declaring a victor is an attempt to move the polls

Moodles, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:16 (twelve years ago)

clemenza why u try to move polls

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:16 (twelve years ago)

Yeah man, why?!?

Moodles, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:17 (twelve years ago)

It's part of my 59-point-plan to get Mitt elected.

clemenza, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:18 (twelve years ago)

Too many points! Obama will be overwhelmed!

Moodles, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:19 (twelve years ago)

Mitt's "You're not entitled to your own facts" was a world-class zinger, absolutely first-rate.

this is plz sarcasm clemenza?

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:19 (twelve years ago)

i think so

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:19 (twelve years ago)

It's a first class zinger: we are not allowed to enjoy it unless we pay an extra $1,000

Moodles, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:20 (twelve years ago)

I've been very close to everything Edward III's posted in the last 10 hours. But it's better that it comes from someone other than me...so go argue with EIII!

(xpost: Yes...I'm channelling Perot.)

clemenza, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:20 (twelve years ago)

Mitt Romney, world-class expert on entitlement. xp

ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:21 (twelve years ago)


Mitt's "You're not entitled to your own facts" was a world-class zinger, absolutely first-rate.

This is like a standard Volvo bumper sticker, not a world-class zinger.

Clay, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:22 (twelve years ago)

nate silver saying romney kicked a field goal, im really not seeing what people are thinking was so scoringful abt last night, tho maybe some of it has to do w/expectations, obama is for sure a worse debater than you might expect and mitt is better than his general campaign skills might have you believe, if this is the start of a some mitt comeback im sure people will point to the debate as ground zero, but the thing is mitt will have to execute an actual comeback which involves lots of other wins in a row

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:27 (twelve years ago)

yeah, no way this was a field goal. obama threw an incompletion on 1st and 10. if he threw 2 more incompletions at the next two debates and biden doesn't throw a good block at his, then romney might get to receive a punt and try to march down the field before time expires.

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:29 (twelve years ago)

SPORTS

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:30 (twelve years ago)

Somebody needs to Photoshop an especiallu bellicose Romney screen grab from last night with the legend "COCAINE IS A HELLUVA DRUG"

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:30 (twelve years ago)

is there an effective comeback to make to the $700 billion medicare cut thing by the way? that doesn't take up the entire two minutes allotted to respond in these things?

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:31 (twelve years ago)

NO CUTS TO SERVICES, ALL COST SAVINGS, JUST LIKE MITT SAYS HE WNATS TO DO

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:33 (twelve years ago)

that's pretty good! why haven't they got obama saying that then

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:41 (twelve years ago)

put me in coach

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:41 (twelve years ago)

in the plouffe book one of the recurring things is that obama just doesn't want to do 'debate prep', one wonders whether now that he is also the leader of the free world it is now even harder to make him take these things seriously

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:42 (twelve years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/gMcjm.png

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:43 (twelve years ago)

jenga seems to carry a pretty unpleasant metaphorical freight for a politician. always competing to erect structures of no earthly purpose, in an allegedly co-operative but always competitive way, all you do really is the minimum possible and weight for the other guy to fuck up, then it all comes crashing down and who do you think picks up the bill

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:45 (twelve years ago)

also what the fuck kind of adult plays jenga

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:45 (twelve years ago)

mormons

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:45 (twelve years ago)

theyre literally not allowed to drink alcohol

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:46 (twelve years ago)

they get jenga trampolines and donuts instead

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:46 (twelve years ago)

the more i look at it, the more that picture reveals itself as some horrific death-in-life thing

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:47 (twelve years ago)

And Jell-O.

tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:48 (twelve years ago)

they get all the sugar

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:51 (twelve years ago)

They need some sort of high.

tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:52 (twelve years ago)

when mitt said that he had five boys at home who lie to him just like obama does i actually thought it was a way for mitt to call obama a boy. racist code for republican fanatics. but i'm paranoid like that.

scott seward, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:52 (twelve years ago)

basically obama sucked and mitt didn't self-destruct. thus, mitt wins.

scott seward, Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:53 (twelve years ago)

ChuckGrassley ‏@ChuckGrassley
Critic of jim Lehrer moderator of debate shut up. Jim good he let both candidates finish their points. Debate more informative thanOthers

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:01 (twelve years ago)

Jim good

Mr. Que, Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:03 (twelve years ago)

you weren't imagining that scott--and i guarantee that the line was preloaded to use at some point in the debate. i too felt nauseous when he said that...they were also trying to get obama to react like an "angry black man", which failed obvs

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:06 (twelve years ago)

xp

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:06 (twelve years ago)

is there an effective comeback to make to the $700 billion medicare cut thing by the way? that doesn't take up the entire two minutes allotted to respond in these things?

― set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:31 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the medicare cut was to the new bush program, medicare advantage, that was very expensive and didn't lower consumer costs.

obamana (abanana), Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:17 (twelve years ago)

i just don't get the pussyfooting in debates. why doesn't obama just SAY that he thinks the romney ideas are risky and dangerous and will fuck up the country? just be really clear. he doesn't have to zing. just be really grave. scare people if you have to. it ain't rocket science. all that time wasted taking romney's virtually non-existent ideas seriously is time wasted. just refute everything that comes out of mitt's mouth and say it won't work and that it's a bad idea. and do it all night.

scott seward, Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:23 (twelve years ago)

NO CUTS TO SERVICES, ALL COST SAVINGS, JUST LIKE MITT SAYS HE WNATS TO DO

― lag∞n, Thursday, October 4, 2012 8:33 AM (34 minutes ago)

kinda feel like this was some republican dog whistle - like I know I'm gonna cut shit and you know I'm gonna cut shit but I can't actually say I'm gonna cut shit *tries to wink, fails*

and sorry for getting all deweydefeats.jpg but these things are about creating narrative, and all obama did was create a vacuum that mitt eagerly rushed to fill. he needs to bring some energy and passion and ideas to the table and not be the guy minding the shop and halfheartedly recycling clinton's convention material. and he played into his personal stereotypes - aloof, professorial, convinced of his own exceptionalism. I'm less worried about the net effect on the polls and more on romney getting inside his head. the strategy of hanging back and letting yr wackadoo opponent self-destruct worked for a while, but he just got rope-a-doped.

I don't wanna wake up the day after the election asking how the hell did that douche get elected prom king

space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:26 (twelve years ago)

clemenza going forward plz refrain from hacking edwards account

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:33 (twelve years ago)

omebody needs to Photoshop an especiallu bellicose Romney screen grab from last night with the legend "COCAINE IS A HELLUVA DRUG"

― Raymond Cummings, Thursday, October 4, 2012 8:30 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

How about photoshop in just a little bit of blood under the nose

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:36 (twelve years ago)

they were also trying to get obama to react like an "angry black man", which failed obvs

what

frogbs, Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:37 (twelve years ago)

this debate was boring as hell but Norm Macdonald's twitter feed is one of the greatest things ever right now

frogbs, Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:37 (twelve years ago)

^^^ I'm writing in Sen. Wolfman and Rep. Dracula for several races

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:40 (twelve years ago)

http://inspired.tangraminteriors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/milton-office-space1.jpg

Jim Lehrer

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:42 (twelve years ago)

"Ask yourself are you better off now or 400 years ago?" -President Dracula

frogbs, Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:43 (twelve years ago)

Mitt's "You're not entitled to your own facts" was a world-class zinger, absolutely first-rate.

It will back-fire on him, though. Candidate Etch-a-sketch didn't provide much in the way of fact but has provided plenty in the way of opinions, all over the map.

The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:53 (twelve years ago)

clemenza going forward plz refrain from hacking edwards account
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012

That's funny--yesterday, on the baseball board, someone joked about me hacking into timellison's. I'm becoming...a human virus.

clemenza, Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:56 (twelve years ago)

after sitting through this twice, the only things I can remember are mitt's lines - "I will create 12 million jobs", "you've been president for 4 years!", "138 small banks failed". mitt, defender of the little guy!

CLEMENZA OUT

space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:57 (twelve years ago)

it's hard for me to understand why someone would watch this twice

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:58 (twelve years ago)

clemenza going forward plz refrain from hacking edwards account

― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012

That's funny--yesterday, on the baseball board, someone joked about me hacking into timellison's. I'm becoming...a human virus.

― clemenza, Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:56 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ease back on the hacking bro

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:00 (twelve years ago)

Obama sure picks some weird times to play rope-a-dope.

pplains, Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:00 (twelve years ago)

This debate was dumb. ABC Twitter girl super cute tho!

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago)

rope-a-dope works when it ends in a KO, see October 1974.

To give very likely too much credit, maybe your 6-8-years' dormant liberal community-organizer persona being aware of what a lousy, right-wing prez you are could result in an appearance of boredom and disinterest?

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:10 (twelve years ago)

when your #1 line from last time (CHANGE) is now an obvious joke, it's gotta bum you out even if you are a mass killer.

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:13 (twelve years ago)

Evan, that's brilliant! Somebody (or some dude), make it so!

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:18 (twelve years ago)

it's hard for me to understand why someone would watch this twice

― Mordy, Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:58 AM (18 minutes ago)

I'd like to claim it was in the interest of science but I was just drunk on the couch and it came on again

space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:19 (twelve years ago)

hah

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:20 (twelve years ago)

ChuckGrassley ‏@ChuckGrassley
Critic of jim Lehrer moderator of debate shut up. Jim good he let both candidates finish their points. Debate more informative thanOthers

I actually agree with this. I like this format, where the moderator is mostly hands-off, and the candidates have plenty of time to elaborate. I don't like when the moderators constantly inject themselves into the debate, and when short blocks of time reduce everything to zingers and sound-bites. I thought Lehrer did fine.

o. nate, Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:21 (twelve years ago)

he was horrific

Mr. Que, Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:24 (twelve years ago)

Critic of jim Lehrer moderator of debate shut up. Jim good he let both candidates finish their points.

Makes him sound like unfrozen caveman congressman.

controversial cabaret roommate (Nicole), Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:24 (twelve years ago)

he couldn't get Mitt to STFU

Mr. Que, Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:24 (twelve years ago)

I still hate the format though - everything gets cut off before you can really get into anything, bullshit statements can just hang there unchallenged, etc. Better to have a half hour for each major topic and yeah, hold them to short intervals so the other one gets to talk but let there be some kind of back and forth. As a bonus it'd also be more entertaining.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:25 (twelve years ago)

Maybe my memory's selective, but have they always used a split-screen from start to finish? I really wish they wouldn't, especially for something that has pretensions of being "substantive." (Not saying the debates are, just that everyone involved wants them to be viewed that way.) If you put up a split-screen, of course everyone makes a big deal of the non-speaking candidate's reactions.

clemenza, Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:26 (twelve years ago)

i hated how they couldnt even center them in their split screens, aim the camera better guys!

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:27 (twelve years ago)

when Ford made his Eastern Europe gaffe, Carter beamed like it was Christmas morning.

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:27 (twelve years ago)

CNN's was also cropped really really close, I thought, so you see them looking down all the time but never the wide shot that makes clear that, oh, yeah, they're taking notes on what the other person's saying, not falling asleep.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:27 (twelve years ago)

there was no split screen on PBS

xxxpost

Moodles, Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:27 (twelve years ago)

Brian de Palma to floor-direct next debate.

clemenza, Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:28 (twelve years ago)

i watched on c-span which was split screen the entire time

real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:30 (twelve years ago)

he couldn't get Mitt to STFU

Well, they always defer to the candidates a bit on going over time - Romney wasn't the only offender.

o. nate, Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:30 (twelve years ago)

If anyone figures out the name of the Chloë Sevigny-esque blonde in charge of ABC News internet stuff from the preshow that's all i care about from this debate.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:33 (twelve years ago)

Also, this was domestic issues, right? Why didn't they talk about reproductive rights & women's issues?

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:34 (twelve years ago)

Well, they always defer to the candidates a bit on going over time - Romney wasn't the only offender.

yeah but Mitt was totally rude. i don't recall a candidate acting that pushy before with the moderator. he was an ass

Mr. Que, Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:35 (twelve years ago)

(xpost) Detecting a trend in Adam's posts...I approve.

clemenza, Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:36 (twelve years ago)

it was allegedly budget/economy

xxp

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:37 (twelve years ago)

there was no split screen on PBS

xxxpost

― Moodles, Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:27 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Heard the Japanese import version contained POV shots.

pplains, Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:41 (twelve years ago)

I didn't see this as such an overwhelming victory for Romney though. Yes, he did well, he looked hungrier and more energetic. He seemed more prepared at times. But I thought both landed roughly an equal number of blows. I guess you could call it a victory for Romney because he came in an underdog and he managed to fight Obama to a draw.

o. nate, Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:43 (twelve years ago)

Drudge ran a front-page link yesterday to a piece about "Can Lehrer be a fair moderator if Romney wants to cut PBS?" Between that and the video build-up the day before, seems like the strategy was to de-fang both Lehrer and Obama. Since Obama's primary ads have featured Romney promising things and getting facts wrong, I'm guessing Obama's team didn't mind going into the debate with the intention of letting Romney talk and talk.

At the same time, in poker parlance:

Weak-tight describes tight-passive play. A player who plays weak-tight may be a rock in extreme cases, but is generally referred to as a nit. His play is characterised by a careful, almost nervous style, avoiding big pots and risks and preferring to only give it some gas with the nuts. He is only a little bit aggressive himself and conversely, can easily be pushed out of a hand with aggression.

Norah Jones Protest Vote (Eazy), Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:46 (twelve years ago)

Patton Oswalt ‏@pattonoswalt
The fact that each of these men have to stare into Lehrer's pitiless, hell-pool button eyes qualifies them both to lead. #debate

pplains, Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:53 (twelve years ago)

p@reene:

So! Sorry, immigration, reproductive health, LGBT civil rights, the environment, campaign finance, the drug war, and voting rights: None of you matter as much as Simpson effing Bowles! (But do you begin to understand why Beltway pundit and commentator types loved this debate so much? It hit all their pet topics!) “Are there too many regulations” is more important than “do you think we should maybe do anything at all to address catastrophic climate change.” (Not that either candidate wants to talk about that.)

All of Lehrer’s actually useful questions — “jobs” and healthcare, basically — could have been taken care of in an hour, leaving time for someone a little more on the ball to maybe show up and ask some other questions that some Americans might have also been sorta curious about.

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/04/jim_lehrer_useless/

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:56 (twelve years ago)

it doesn't really seem like it matters what questions the moderator asks because the candidates just talk about whatever shit they feel like anyways

i don't understand how anyone can watch any political debates for more than 5 minutes without wanting to tear out their eyes. these are the cringiest things on tv.

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:59 (twelve years ago)

youre talking to people who watched the republican convention you realize

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:00 (twelve years ago)

p@reene:

So! Sorry, immigration, reproductive health, LGBT civil rights, the environment, campaign finance, the drug war, and voting rights: None of you matter as much as Simpson effing Bowles! (But do you begin to understand why Beltway pundit and commentator types loved this debate so much? It hit all their pet topics!) “Are there too many regulations” is more important than “do you think we should maybe do anything at all to address catastrophic climate change.” (Not that either candidate wants to talk about that.)

All of Lehrer’s actually useful questions — “jobs” and healthcare, basically — could have been taken care of in an hour, leaving time for someone a little more on the ball to maybe show up and ask some other questions that some Americans might have also been sorta curious about.

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/04/jim_lehrer_useless/

― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:56 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's the economy debate, stupid

has important things to say about gangnam style (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:02 (twelve years ago)

a perception of good debate performance enlivens supporters, attracts donors, shapes media tone and coverage, let's not pretend they mean nothing

― space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, October 4, 2012 12:20 AM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark

they don't http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/10/03/what-political-scientists-know-about-debates/

― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, October 4, 2012 12:22 AM (10 hours ago)

ok that article backs up what I was saying (the debates in and of themselves don't matter, but the postgame perceptions of them do). I don't get how the author can assert that the candidate's performance is completely disconnected from the media reaction, tho. sure, the media spins stuff but there's some correlation, they're not independent events. carville's a freak but he didn't manufacture "obama looked like he didn't want to be there" out of thin air.

Even if debates do matter, there’s even less evidence suggesting that the actual candidates’ performances do. The media seems to be the far more important player. Arizona’s Kim Fridkin and her colleagues conducted an experiment to test this proposition at the 2004 debate in Tempe, Ariz. They asked 74 voters to watch the debate and say who they thought won. 25 watched the debate without seeing commentary afterwards, 25 watched and saw commentary from NBC News which suggested that George W. Bush won, and 24 watched and saw commentary from CNN which suggested that John Kerry won. It turns out that the effects of cable news spin were enormous*:

space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:04 (twelve years ago)

I don't know if this has been linked, but I basically agree with this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/10/04/romneys-policy-vagueness-pays-off/?wprss=rss_ezra-klein

I think Romney shook the Etch-a-Sketch again, and he managed to catch Obama off guard by suddenly recasting himself as a moderate technocrat and veering sharply to the center. You could forgive Obama for being a bit bewildered having to critique Romney's "Plan" when that "Plan" has a chameleon-like ability to change shape from week to week and day to day.

o. nate, Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:12 (twelve years ago)

there was no split screen on PBS

xxxpost

― Moodles, Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:27 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

WTF are we paying them for?

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:21 (twelve years ago)

I can forgive obama for being bewildered, but I can't forgive him for not turning his bewilderment into theater. he has to be engaged, in the moment. if he had spent the debate marveling aloud at mitt's sudden transformations he could've boxed him up. he just looked weary. and if I hear somebody say "well he has a country to run" I'm gonna... I don't know but it's gonna be bad

xp to o nate

space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:23 (twelve years ago)

ok that article backs up what I was saying (the debates in and of themselves don't matter, but the postgame perceptions of them do).

This is why I didn't watch the debate (well, this and the fact that it would have made me gnash my teeth down to the nerve)

QUOTE sampling at a higher rate UNQUOTE (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago)

"You could forgive Obama for being a bit bewildered having to critique Romney's "Plan" when that "Plan" has a chameleon-like ability to change shape from week to week and day to day."

agreed. Romney sounded good, but some of his stuff, particularly "that's not my tax plan", was just a flat out lie that contradicted everything he's said to that point. I don't think Obama was ready for Romney to come out and just plain lie about shit to sound good. Expect this 10000x during the Ryan debate.

akm, Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago)

I can forgive obama for being bewildered, but I can't forgive him for not turning his bewilderment into theater. he has to be engaged, in the moment.

I agree it would have been nice if he had been ready to think on his feet a bit more, but I also think his main objective here was not to cause any self-inflicted damage. As the front-runner, he had a lot more to lose than Romney, so it was wise to err on the side of playing it safe. There's still 2 more debates, and I expect him to have a better prepared attack for Romney's shape-shifting in those.

o. nate, Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:32 (twelve years ago)

Agreed, would really really have appreciated Obama playing that up more. "Wait a second, Governor - - so you're saying you DON'T... etc etc? Because, I mean, I've read your proposals, I've been through your whole website trying to get some details, and..."

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:33 (twelve years ago)

. I don't think Obama was ready for Romney to come out and just plain lie about shit to sound good. Expect this 10000x during the Ryan debate

And the interesting thing for me is that it ain't gunna be Obama against Ryan, but Joe Biden, and I'm kinda amused thinking about how he's going to handle it.

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago)

I guess there COULD also be some kind of long game that says, if you go hard in the first debate you have nowhere else to go, whereas you could hypothetically build up to a third where you're like basically, dammit mitt, we've been through three of these things, i've been waiting to hear you say x y and z, and you keep laying on the same baloney etc etc

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago)

ive been clicking all around yr site lookin for stuff governor and frankly... wheres the beef? *rapturous applause*

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:35 (twelve years ago)

I don't think Obama was ready for Romney to come out and just plain lie about shit to sound good

Why the fuck not? They're all always ready to do it, hisself included.

oh Long Game Obama again

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:35 (twelve years ago)

http://election.princeton.edu/2012/10/03/post-debate-reaction/

goole, Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago)

Obama could've worked in an Etch-a-sketch ~zinger~ like 7 times last night. i know that's not his style, but gd bro that's waht the people want!

it's smdh time in America (will), Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:41 (twelve years ago)

Went into work mtg and my really really dumb colleague says to everyone, "I thought that was great! That was a really good debate."

purveyor of generations (in orbit), Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:43 (twelve years ago)

i decided who im voting for its ronmney

(╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:45 (twelve years ago)

@ Morbs, note I didn't actually endorse the "long game" theory here

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:48 (twelve years ago)

I suddenly looked up from playing Drop 7 when I heard the President of the United States use the phrase "Jerking you around" last night, though my first interpretation wasn't accurate.

pplains, Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago)

Why the fuck not? They're all always ready to do it, hisself included.

Yeah, I don't know why he wasn't better prepared for that. I think maybe he wanted to keep the tone elevated, and he wasn't going to be the first to go ad hominem, shall we say. But still I think people tend to overrate the importance of these debates, so hunkering down and taking a few of Romney's shots was still possibly smarter than risking getting thrown off his game by going more personal.

o. nate, Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:54 (twelve years ago)

"Wait a second, Governor - - so you're saying you DON'T... etc etc? Because, I mean, I've read your proposals, I've been through your whole website trying to get some details, and..." - what are you on? this would sound awful. And Etch-a-sketch zings, srsly? What percentage of people that matter to them at this late stage heard about that? Even I had forgotten it already.

boxall, Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago)

we need a thread to collect all the moments when people go into fantasy-obama mode

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:00 (twelve years ago)

the Doctor Casino Memorial Obama Sockpuppet Collection

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:00 (twelve years ago)

i think Obama's poor performance was just a setup for Biden to just pee on Paul Ryan at the VP debate

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:01 (twelve years ago)

As Pareene pointed out, they were more than happy to do shit only Beltway pundits slather about thanks to Jim Lehrer, name dropping Simpson-Bowles and talking about it as if it wasnt the running mate of one of these guys who was super proud of killing it

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:02 (twelve years ago)

agreed that the etch-a-sketch thing is wayyyy too insider-y to be of any use but I don't see what's so bad about using Romney's sudden outburst of new policy positions as a chance to call him out on random, vaguely-detailed policy positions that aren't fully laid out, or flatly contradict things he says elsewhere.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:02 (twelve years ago)

i continue to hold out hope that 30 minutes in biden will strip to the waist and challenge ryan to a bout of bare knuckle boxing

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:02 (twelve years ago)

lots of great debating on climate change last night. especially that part where jim lehrer mentioned that 65% of the United States is experiencing drought conditions, with a cost of $12 billion to crop production in the 3rd quarter alone.

the few things that did come up related to energy were predictably LIED about by romney, there's a debunking here:
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/10/03/954451/the-climate-silence-continues-lehrer-obama-and-romney-ignore-climate-change-in-first-debate/

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:04 (twelve years ago)

From the moment both candidates mentioned Bowles-Simpson in a complimentary manner I thought the "economic" portion was a joke.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:06 (twelve years ago)

i continue to hold out hope that 30 minutes in biden will strip to the waist and challenge ryan to a bout of bare knuckle boxing

RYAN: Good evening, Mr. Vice-President. Can I call you "Joe"?
BIDEN: Sure, but only if I can call you Joe.
RYAN: Thanks… wait, what?

pplains, Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:09 (twelve years ago)

crossing my fingers that calm almost meekly polite obama performance was to make it ok to bring rabid biden unchained to the ryan debate.

costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago)

he'll def have the unarmed dialysis patient's head on a pike in the studio

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago)

c.h.u.d. biden

QUOTE sampling at a higher rate UNQUOTE (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:28 (twelve years ago)

Oh, then my colleague said, "*I* didn't know the government gave money to PBS!!" I just remembered that. Thank you this thread for my being able to say that it was less than half of 1% of the fed budget.

purveyor of generations (in orbit), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:34 (twelve years ago)

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSONugr28MmupvsFE20LUBHt38fRMlzU1k5FRcJhH_un702zDrK

leaked footage of in orbit's coworker (L) and in orbit (R)

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago)

why are we pinning our hopes on biden? my hope is obama himself does better in the next two debates.

goole, Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago)

but the debates don't matter

Mr. Que, Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago)

I thought only prez debate remains...?

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago)

in orbit, it's actually less than 1/100 of a percent

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago)

i thought there were four in total with one of those being the vp show

debates matter to the extent that they matter. which isn't much. but the election is close. so... they matter!

goole, Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago)

a little!

goole, Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago)

i think this is good, romney will get cocky and say something incredibly stupid again

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago)

in orbit, it's actually less than 1/100 of a percent

I was gonna say, if it's half a percent, then I agree it should be cut!

o. nate, Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:43 (twelve years ago)

i'm trying to keep myself from looking for silver linings here tbh

the only one i'll go with is that perhaps liberals' natesilverist complacency had affected the top of the ticket and that needs to go.

goole, Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago)

I thought it was .35%? Did I miss a zero upthread? Although when I reviewed that mentally it did seem like a lot compared to defense spending & Medicare, and you'd think if PBS was getting all that $ they could stop with the pledge drives already.

purveyor of generations (in orbit), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago)

you shall not crucify this liberal on a cross of natesilver

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago)

i think this is good, romney will get cocky and say something incredibly stupid again

^^^^

This. Romney so self-destructive as a candidate I can see Obama being tempted to play rope-a-dope.

Bananaman Begins, Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago)

Town Hall will be the interesting one in that sense. Romney isn't great on his feet.

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago)

The one thing I really wish Obama had responded to was Romney's charge that he wasn't sufficiently bipartisan. As though the lack of Republican support for the PPACA was entirely Obama's fault. Especially given the vast unpopularity of Congress, I feel like that would've been easy enough for Obama to address.

Sandy Denny Real Estate (jaymc), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago)

Although, I dunno, maybe the thinking is that criticizing Congress makes him look whiny/ineffectual.

Sandy Denny Real Estate (jaymc), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago)

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18148mxjbaun8jpg/original.jpg

The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago)

I dunno. Yesterday morning I concluded that Romney Would Win because he had to, and as a result the right would get its B-12 injection. Just watch the swing state polls and read the Joni Mitchell poll.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago)

Oooohhh Phil was...never mind. I read this entire thread in like 10 mins this AM at work and took a post at face value that I shouldn't have.

purveyor of generations (in orbit), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:55 (twelve years ago)

Chait:

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/romneys-successful-debate-plan-lying.html

Romney won the debate in no small part because he adopted a policy of simply lying about his policies. Probably the best way to understand Obama’s listless performance is that he was prepared to debate the claims Romney has been making for the entire campaign, and Romney switched up and started making different and utterly bogus ones. Obama, perhaps, was not prepared for that, and he certainly didn’t think quickly enough on his feet to adjust to it.

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago)

What did I do ;_;

Tom Hardy & the Batbreakers (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago)

Neil deGrasse Tyson is the greatest

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago)

how many times does Shakey Mo have to tell u guys the election isnt close

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago)

The one thing I really wish Obama had responded to was Romney's charge that he wasn't sufficiently bipartisan. As though the lack of Republican support for the PPACA was entirely Obama's fault. Especially given the vast unpopularity of Congress, I feel like that would've been easy enough for Obama to address.

― Sandy Denny Real Estate (jaymc), Thursday, October 4, 2012 12:49 PM Bookmark

Yeah, that drove me nuts too, also just the total stupidity of Romney's case, which basically was "bipartisanship means that if you introduce legislation and a bunch of assholes on the other side refuse as a bloc, you're a tyrant." But it's tough to articulate the frustration of Obama's position to people that aren't already on board with Obama and with the health care bill. If Romney was talking about Obama's supposed one-sidedness on some less thorny piece of legislation it might have made a better opening for Obama to call out congressional intransigence. Surprised we really heard NO digs at do-nothing-ism though.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago)

i do think it behooved obama to let romney use all his moves in the first debate. Not saying he's necessarily going to come back like a superhero in round 2 & 3, but that letting romney have a good news day makes sense.

da croupier, Thursday, 4 October 2012 17:07 (twelve years ago)

the GOP already having conniptions and if the debate had just been obama going full blast at romney while mitt soiled himself and screamed "WHAT AM I DOING HERE? MOMMY, SAVE ME!" who knows what bullshit they'd throw to keep 2 and 3 from being similar spectacles.

da croupier, Thursday, 4 October 2012 17:09 (twelve years ago)

As I said earlier, drove me up the wall too. Maybe that was one time Obama needed to smile, throw out his arms in a gesture of exasperation, and say something like "That's a joke, right?" Instead, he somehow let Romney make himself out to be a reasonable guy. (xxposts)

clemenza, Thursday, 4 October 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago)

Obama did have comebacks for a lot of these things, but they were perhaps a bit too subtle and subdued. Like he did mention as an aside at one point that maybe the Congressional Republicans could take some lessons in bipartisan cooperation from the Massachusetts Democratic legislators, which at least alludes to the GOP intransigence, but far too politely.

o. nate, Thursday, 4 October 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago)

yeah. Obama repeatedly did that thing where he gets just close enough to an issue to make it pretty clear what he's referring to but doesn't say things outright. I guess that's basically dog-whistling?

gesange der yuengling (crüt), Thursday, 4 October 2012 17:20 (twelve years ago)

even that sounded kind of petulant tho

is there a transcript up somewhere? there was one point where obama just lost the script, he was driving towards a point and then abandoned it in favor of mouthing some platitudes.

space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 4 October 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago)

really frustrating

space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 4 October 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago)

3. “About half of [the clean energy companies that] have been invested in have gone out of business.”
This is blatantly false. In this statement, Romney is conflating the loan guarantee program with all economy-wide clean energy companies. And even when isolating the loan guarantee program that supported the bankrupt solar company Solyndra, an independent investigation led by John McCain’s former finance chairman found that these investments will cost $2 billion less than initially expected. That’s because most of the loan guarantees are going toward companies developing large-scale electricity generation projects with long-term agreements for the energy.
(Michael Grunwald, who literally wrote the book on the stimulus package, estimates that about 1 percent of the stimulus-funded clean-energy firms failed, not 50 percent. “Seriously, that was the lie of the night,” he said.)

Thanks for that clean energy debunking link ZS

Milton Parker, Thursday, 4 October 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago)

debate transcript

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/03/us/politics/transcript-of-the-first-presidential-debate-in-denver.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 4 October 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago)

for masochists

space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 4 October 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago)

What I'm hoping is that Romney's side gets so carried away with the idea that they really took it to Obama last night, they overreach next time. It reminds me of that Larry Sanders where Hank gets to guest-host. If you've seen it, you'll know what I mean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxcDpqB7OxQ

clemenza, Thursday, 4 October 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago)

yeah, the still lingering media vomit that comes up regarding solyndra and the loan guarantee program is completely frustrating, especially because the obama administration has chosen to just go silent on the issue rather than defend it (sound familiar??). the loan guarantee program has been an overwhelming success so far. the whole idea behind the program was to bring on a diverse portfolio of projects all over the country, with the understanding that not every project is going to be a success. obviously you do your best to choose the most promising projects to support with loans, but only a total fucking moron thinks that you'd get 100% success. if you went back a few years and told the administrators of the program "you can implement this program...but i'm warning you - 1% of the projects will fail!!", i'm sure they'd be ecstatic.

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Thursday, 4 October 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago)

ha, wow, somehow i missed that part in the debunking article that mentioned that National Wildlife Fund sent Jim Lehrer a petition with 160,000 signatures begging him to at least mention climate change during the debate.

what a fucker

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Thursday, 4 October 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago)

couldn't touch the Simpson-Bowles petition

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago)

after meandering around for a while, in the final paragraph obama finally sounds like he's about to take romney to task for his vagueness, then the presidential robot starts malfunctioning and oh god wtf is he even talking about?

MR. LEHRER: Let’s let the governor explain what you would do if “Obamacare” is repealed. How would you replace it? What do you have in mind?

MR. ROMNEY: Let -- well, actually -- actually it’s -- it’s -- it’s a lengthy description, but number one, pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan. Number two, young people are able to stay on their family plan. That’s already offered in the private marketplace; you don’t have -- have the government mandate that for that to occur.

But let’s come back to something the president -- I agree on, which is the -- the key task we have in health care is to get the costs down so it’s more affordable for families, and -- and then he has as a model for doing that a board of people at the government, an unelected board, appointed board, who are going to decide what kind of treatment you ought to have.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: No, it isn’t.

MR. ROMNEY: In my opinion, the government is not effective in -- in bringing down the cost of almost anything. As a matter of fact, free people and free enterprises trying to find ways to do things better are able to be more effective in bringing down the costs than the government will ever be. Your example of the Cleveland clinic is my case in point, along with several others I could describe. This is the private market. These are small -- these are enterprises competing with each other, learning how to do better and better jobs.

I used to consult to businesses -- excuse me, to hospitals and to health care providers. I was astonished at the creativity and innovation that exists in the American people. In order to bring the cost of health care down, we don’t need to have a -- an -- a board of 15 people telling us what kinds of treatments we should have. We instead need to put insurance plans, providers, hospitals, doctors on targets such that they have an incentive, as you say, performance pay, for doing an excellent job, for keeping costs down, and that’s happening.

Intermountain Health Care does it superbly well.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: They do.

MR. ROMNEY: Mayo Clinic is doing it superbly well, Cleveland Clinic, others. But the right answer is not to have the federal government take over health care and start mandating to the providers across America, telling a patient and a doctor what kind of treatment they can have. That’s the wrong way to go. The private market and individual responsibility always work best.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Let me just point out, first of all, this board that we’re talking about can’t make decisions about what treatments are given. That’s explicitly prohibited in the law.

But let’s go back to what Governor Romney indicated, that under his plan he would be able to cover people with pre-existing conditions. Well, actually, Governor, that isn’t what your plan does. What your plan does is to duplicate what’s already the law, which says if you are out of health insurance for three months then you can end up getting continuous coverage and an insurance company can’t deny you if you’ve -- if it’s been under 90 days.

But that’s already the law. And that doesn’t help the millions of people out there with pre-existing conditions. There’s a reason why Governor Romney set up the plan that he did in Massachusetts. It wasn’t a government takeover of health care. It was the largest expansion of private insurance. But what it does say is that insurers, you’ve got to take everybody. Now, that also means that you’ve got more customers.

But when Governor Romney says that he’ll replace it with something but can’t detail how it will be in fact replaced, and the reason he set up the system he did in Massachusetts is because there isn’t a better way of dealing with the pre-existing conditions problem, it -- it just reminds me of -- you know, he says that he’s going to close deductions and loopholes for his tax plan.

That’s how it’s going to be paid for. But we don’t know the details. He says that he’s going to replace Dodd-Frank, Wall Street reform. But we don’t know exactly which ones. He won’t tell us. He now says hes going to replace “Obamacare” and assure that all the good things that are in it are going to be in there and you don’t have to worry.

And at some point, I think the American people have to ask themselves, is the reason that Governor Romney is keeping all these plans to replace secret because they’re too good? Is -- is it because that somehow middle-class families are going to benefit too much from them? No, the -- the reason is because when we reform Wall Street, when we tackle the problem of pre-existing conditions, then, you know, these are tough problems, and we’ve got to make choices. And the choices we’ve made have been ones that ultimately are benefiting middle-class families all across the country.

space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 4 October 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago)

That last paragraph is Palinesque.

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago)

we've got to make choices. brilliant.

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago)

it's tough to articulate the frustration of Obama's position to people that aren't already on board with Obama and with the health care bill

But this is essential Romney accusing Obama of being too successful at something -- it's a perfect opportunity to say the bill is necessary, that a huge problem was facing ordinary Americans, that Obama fought and overcame substantial opposition to accomplish something for you, the voter. I mean, for a president often seen as being sort of ineffectual...

I found it as frustrating to watch as everyone else seemed to -- and to any viewer not doing independent fact-checking, the whole thing probably looked like Warren Beatty explaining reality to two separate Droopy dogs. For parts of it Romney got to take the tone of explaining things to the president, in a simple and emphatic way, as if Obama fundamentally didn't understand the issues -- and Obama's unemphatic, detail-heavy replies only underlined that impression, making him look like a student who circles around irrelevant side-issues because he can't provide a clear answer to the question itself.

I'm hoping they've just used this as an opportunity to feel Romney out, and figure out which version of himself and his policies he's bringing into these debates, so they can pin him down on it in further ones.

ንፁህ አበበ (nabisco), Thursday, 4 October 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago)

obama was just like those last 20 minutes you spend hanging out with your friends before you realize youre all tired and go home

haha this is so OTM.

i hope yr kidding about 'you're not entitled to your own facts,' clemenza: that is a seriously hackneyed old piece of smuggery that i think every single politician in america has used in his memoirs -- i actually think OBAMA used it in one of his books. romney using it came off as seriously desperate, like 'oh the debate's almost over, i better say something funny!'

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago)

Well, on the bright side, this is structurally probably the most challenging of the 3 debates for Obama. The next one is town hall style, where Obama's personal likableness should have a better chance to shine in interactions with regular folks, and where hopefully Romney won't be able to lure him deep into the weeds of policy wonkery, where he can outfox him with his superior command of slippery half-truths. And the 3rd one is foreign policy, where Romney has so far shown little aptitude and where most voters generally approve of Obama's track record.

o. nate, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago)

was the mst3k style 3rd party debate thing interesting? I feel like now it was a tactical mistake not to lobby to have them included.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago)

The next one is town hall style, where Obama's personal likableness should have a better chance to shine in interactions with regular folks

I dunno, have you observed Barack Obama before? His reputation for being a great orator is qualified with scripted speech only. He's actually really awkward when off-script, even if he's talking one on one with a constituent.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago)

As I said earlier, I was 100% kidding about Romney's putative zinger--it was an embarrassing glimpse into the strategy we never saw. (Talk of which beforehand I now suspect was a clever fake.)

clemenza, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago)

he's not as bad as Romney though xpost

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago)

. . . [On] CNN this morning, Sesame Workshop executive VP and chief marketing officer Sherrie Westin took a more combative stance, telling Soledad O'Brien that Romney can't touch Sesame Street because "Sesame Workshop receives very, very little funding from PBS."

"We are able to raise our funding through philanthropic, through our licensed product, which goes back into the educational programming, through corporate underwriting and sponsorship," Westin said. "So quite frankly, you can debate whether or not there should be funding of public broadcasting. But when they always try to tout out Big Bird, and say we're going to kill Big Bird – that is actually misleading, because Sesame Street will be here."

PBS CEO Paula Kerger was a bit more direct in expressing her displeasure with the GOP nominee when she spoke with CNN. "With the enormous problems facing our country, the fact that we are the focus is just unbelievable to me," she told Carol Costello.

Echoing Westin, Kerger said PBS too will be just fine, as it too isn't funded directly by the government. "In fact, the money that comes from the government into the Corporation for Public Broadcasting goes to our member stations," Kerger noted.

For its part, Sesame Street was content to leave the fighting to the grown-ups, but did get in one good "zinger" on its Twitter page: "Big Bird: My bed time is usually 7:45, but I was really tired yesterday and fell asleep at 7! Did I miss anything last night?"

Still in Denver, President Obama had himself a little l'esprit de l'escalier moment this morning when he told the crowd at a rally, "Thank goodness someone is finally getting tough on Big Bird."

Tom Hardy & the Batbreakers (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago)

He added, "And the Jerk Store called; they're running out of you!"

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago)

he's not as bad as Romney though xpost

Agreed. Obama may come across as a bit aloof, but at least he doesn't usually come across as a Martian.

o. nate, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago)

this was so boring and full of made-up numbers I totally tuned out about an hour in, surprised it's generated this much chatter

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago)

ilx is usually so good at recognising lame politicking and ignoring it

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago)

Obama may come across as a bit aloof, but at least he doesn't usually come across as a Martian.

Good point.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/EIClV.jpg

has the fact check backlash kicked in since last i checked, sawr this on fb

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago)

kind of a murderer's row of partisan sources there tho

goole, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago)

i'm not sure how you 'sort of flat-out lie' but really the media thrust is going to be a win. you don't have to win on facts anymore, and anyone who is convinced by these things anyway isn't going to stick around the next day to see the bleating about "LIES".

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago)

the media line as far as i can tell is this weird but not untrue "romney lied a lot, which makes obama look WORSE, because he didn't correct the facts"

max, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago)

obama's speech in denver today is pushing the "good job being such a confident liar, romney" narrative brewing here

da croupier, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago)

fact checkers are ruining politics, can't we just let romney have his win

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago)

kind of a murderer's row of partisan sources there tho

― goole, Thursday, October 4, 2012 2:16 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

famous centrist david gergen!

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago)

CNN!

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago)

obama's speech in denver today is pushing the "good job being such a confident liar, romney" narrative brewing here

― da croupier, Thursday, October 4, 2012 2:18 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ya they r not going to let this one go

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago)

Gergen wound up a Clinton man, so not sure how ironic yr "centrist" label is

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago)

he is a famous centrist morbs, this is what hes famous for, not sure what else to say

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago)

is there any other topic you'd like me to fucking big bird for you?

― TOMBOT, Sunday, January 25, 2009 2:12 PM

is there any other topic you'd like me to fucking big bird for you?

― TOMBOT, Sunday, January 25, 2009 2:12 PM

is there any other topic you'd like me to fucking big bird for you?

― TOMBOT, Sunday, January 25, 2009 2:12 PM

is there any other topic you'd like me to fucking big bird for you?

― TOMBOT, Sunday, January 25, 2009 2:12 PM

(╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago)

sorry, i should have put partisan in scare quotes -- meaning non-conservative-bubble to very liberal-bubble

yeah gergen is a pbs republican, come on!

goole, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago)

I thought he was famous for impressing clemenza

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago)

that emoticon colors all yr posts so mournful amon

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago)

am0urn

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago)

he is a FAMOUS CENTRIST end of discussion jfc u people

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago)

it doesn't matter if romney lied in a debate. he just had to look good.

scott seward, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago)

i really don't think he's gonna win the election anyway.

scott seward, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago)

Sully's convinced himself that Obama's playing Rope-a-Dope.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago)

Sully is an idiot

Mr. Que, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago)

so romney laughing at obama for giving money to green energy, does he think the country hates green energy or something? i don't think the country does. this country does hate arabs though. win win!

scott seward, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago)

exhibit A: 10.29 pm. How is Obama's closing statement so fucking sad, confused and lame? He choked. He lost. He may even have lost the election tonight.

Mr. Que, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago)

i'm guessing there was some aspect of "give mitt enough rope" here but he's definitely not playing at some "let's watch that in slo-mo and marvel at the artistry" level.

da croupier, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago)

wtf is wrong with that guy, he goes from 'NEXT REAGAN!!!" to that tweet without even blinking an eye

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago)

Still in Denver, President Obama had himself a little l'esprit de l'escalier moment this morning when he told the crowd at a rally, "Thank goodness someone is finally getting tough on Big Bird."

― Tom Hardy & the Batbreakers (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:04 (23 minutes ago) Permalink

Maybe I'm getting nitpicky, but there's something about the phrasing of this that's off to me in a particularly Obama way -- it sounds like water-cooler sarcasm, not the president talking. It's indirect. Obama relies on this kind of indirectness via irony too much.

has important things to say about gangnam style (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago)

I don't believe in Bam's jujitsu skills either.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago)

i dont think obama was playing rope a dope as that implies at some point youre going to pounce furiously off the ropes, i think he was playing a prevent defense

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago)

dude can be like "gotta let mitt have his moment" AND be "uhhh fuck this sucks and on my 20th anniversary too jesus what did i just say argh"

da croupier, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago)

Romney was right: I'd rather spend an evening with champagne and Michelle.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago)

In re: Romney lying. It was more a matter of:

OBAMA: Independent experts have done the math and what you have proposed would absolutely require a $5 trillion shortfall in revenue plus another $2 trillion increase in defense spending over and above what the Pentagon has requested.

ROMNEY: I am not proposing a $5 trillion dollar increase in the deficit. I have never proposed a $5 trillion increase. I don't know what you're talking about.

ROMNEY THOUGHT BUBBLE: He-he! no one will ever call me on this, but if they do I'll challenge them to find a quote where I literally proposed "a $5 trillion increase in the deficit." They can't call me a liar, because I never said those words.

Aimless, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZniwrAwZGY&feature=colike

Dan I., Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago)

so basically we're coming into a second debate where obama won't need much to come off more lively and everyone will be reminded that mitt's a lying liar who lies

da croupier, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago)

http://www.splicetoday.com/politics-and-media/romney-s-hair-wins

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago)

anybody who thinks this is a "turning point" in the election is huffing paint

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago)

maria is gonna vote for rocky anderson. i would too probably if i did stuff like that. just for the anti-drug war stance alone.

scott seward, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:43 (twelve years ago)

http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/10/4/bRU6tQ8o0kCzc8vzu3QdNw2.gif

ma ck ro ma ck ro (mackro mackro), Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago)

hahahaha

Technology of the Big Muff (DJP), Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago)

I agree with this that there was way too much policy wonk shit(which is important, but not in a televised debate) and not enough Obama coming and talking about the shit he actually believes in, even if he thinks its obvious and he shouldn't have to say obvious things.

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago)

I did feel really bad for O and Michelle, worst anniversary ever

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago)

Haha, I forgot that, on Twitter last night, Superchunk got a lot of mileage out of Romney's whole thing about banks in garages: https://twitter.com/i/#!/search/?q=%23garagebanks&src=hash

Tom Hardy & the Batbreakers (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago)

i bet obama scheduled the debate and then a week later was like OH SHIT

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago)

Other bad anniversaries for the Obamas -

  • 1993 – Battle of Mogadishu: In an attempt to capture officials of warlord Mohamed Farrah Aidid's organisation in Mogadishu, Somalia, 18 US soldiers and about 1,000 Somalis are killed in heavy fighting.
  • 1995 – O. J. Simpson is acquitted of the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman.
  • 2000 – Benjamin Orr, American singer-songwriter and bass player (The Cars), dies
  • 2003 – Roy Horn of Siegfried & Roy is attacked by one of the show's tigers, canceling the show until 2009, when they rejoined the tiger that mauled Roy just six years earlier.

pplains, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:57 (twelve years ago)

The big problem Romney has is that the hard right has assiduously created an alternative reality for itself, in which government has completely swallowed the health care system and is about to set up death panels. It's a reality where the expansion of tax breaks for the poor and middle class has created a sick society, shot through with government dependency and irresponsibility whereas expanding tax breaks for the top 1% creates nothing but new jobs and wealth for everyone. And so on.

Which leaves Romney in an odd position. If he leaves that reality and only uses real facts, his hard right base will howl that he has abandoned them, watered down their outrage, and meekly refused to lead the Crusade. If he embraces their reality, he abandons the reality of the majority, and he can't win with only the backing of a minority.

This whole strange dynamic has been brewing very strongly ever since 2009, when the Tea Party was invented by some ungodly combination of backroom operatives and Fox News hubris.

Aimless, Thursday, 4 October 2012 18:58 (twelve years ago)

the media line as far as i can tell is this weird but not untrue "romney lied a lot, which makes obama look WORSE, because he didn't correct the facts"

... or even convey that he questioned their veracity, or evince any of the basic human behavior people use to deduce that someone in an argument is being presented with falsehoods. Which is weird, insofar as his preternatural calm should theoretically be an asset on that front, letting him challenge these things without seeming aggrieved, defensive, or Gore-ish

ROMNEY THOUGHT BUBBLE: He-he! no one will ever call me on this, but if they do I'll challenge them to find a quote where I literally proposed "a $5 trillion increase in the deficit." They can't call me a liar, because I never said those words.

He did this outright -- "my plan specifically says it won't raise the deficit, so no amount of actually examining it can conclude that such a thing is possible" -- which is a bit like slipping a line into Affordable Care that says no one will get sick

ንፁህ አበበ (nabisco), Thursday, 4 October 2012 19:01 (twelve years ago)

I agree with this that there was way too much policy wonk shit

Agreed. I disagree with commentators (like David Brooks last night on PBS) who say that Obama is a policy wonk at heart. It seems to me he prefers a Reaganesque hands-off leadership style, more focused on the vision thing. I think he was happy to let Congress deal with the minutiae of Obamacare and Dodd-Frank, as long as they got something passed that matched his broad-strokes vision. So perhaps that explains his apparent discomfort last night at having to offer point-by-point defenses of specific details of the legislation.

o. nate, Thursday, 4 October 2012 19:02 (twelve years ago)

xpost Yahoo News babe reporter is Phoebe Connelly, who is probably going to have to write about Big Bird all day long.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 4 October 2012 19:07 (twelve years ago)

looks like some ilxors got their starburst on last night

da croupier, Thursday, 4 October 2012 19:10 (twelve years ago)

haha

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago)

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/545284_4188673468632_279981825_n.jpg

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 4 October 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago)

omg

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago)

It makes me sad that the thread title spelled white correctly.

controversial cabaret roommate (Nicole), Thursday, 4 October 2012 19:59 (twelve years ago)

xps OMG is right

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:01 (twelve years ago)

Nicole otm

gesange der yuengling (crüt), Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago)

He could have zinged etch-a-sketch a lot more and just laughed at his flip-flopping ways.

anybody who thinks this is a "turning point" in the election is huffing paint

I don't know how much I'm like other voters, but I think Reagan was better at doing Reagan, more reliable and credible at shilling that line of bullshit and thirty years down the line, the kind of numbskull who's as rigidly partisan and ideological as to ingore recent economic history should be loudly and cruelly ridiculed. That said, Obama came across as as normal, well-adjusted American in the grips of some self-entitled delusional fantasist who would say anything to get to an opffice he clearly doesn't know what he'd do with.

The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago)

"He could have zinged etch-a-sketch a lot more and just laughed at his flip-flopping ways."

This does not sound like a good strategy if your target audience is made up of (a) people who are considering voting for Romney (b) people who paid little to no attention to the race until now.

boxall, Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:16 (twelve years ago)

I agree. The 'tired Obama' was probably just 'who the fcuk is this clown' trying to avoid the 'angry black man' Drudge ambush (Rev Wright, etc...) and trying (he convinced me)to show that he's serious and patriotic and not an unhinged, mythomaniac climber.

The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago)

Also ridiculous I think is the idea expressed upthread (maybe sarcastically?) that the "I've got 5 boys so I know you're lying" remark was racially charged - anyone who'd be susceptible to that shit made their mind up long ago they'd be voting for the white guy, I mean isn't it obvious he's done paying tribute to the right wing of his party, the primaries are over.

boxall, Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:30 (twelve years ago)

I didn't see tired Obama, I saw distracted/detached Obama

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:32 (twelve years ago)

Has Obama ever, in his life, actually come off as an "angry black man" to anyone other than absolute wing nuts?

has important things to say about gangnam style (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:32 (twelve years ago)

hey i said i was paranoid.

x-post

scott seward, Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago)

I get the vibe from him that he's just genuinely not a very aggro person, and that if anything he ought to dial it up a little, not down.

has important things to say about gangnam style (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago)

i know it was just a cynically folksy zinger but i wonder why romney would imply that his 5 adult children are pathological liars

real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago)

5 masturbation problems.

THEE-AH-TER (Matt P), Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago)

yeah that's the other thing. none of this kids are "boys". they are grown-ass men. comparing the president to his "boys" just makes my paranoia radar go off.

scott seward, Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago)

HIS kids

scott seward, Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago)

"I've got 5 boys so I know you're lying" "They just say the same thing over and over hoping you'll eventually believe it" (or something) which is exactly the current conservative strategy along with a dose of

http://www.slapupsidethehead.com/wp-content/media/2009/04/lalala-i-cant-hear-you.jpg

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago)

they may be boys now but they're gonna be gods soon enough!

THEE-AH-TER (Matt P), Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago)

belittling anyway to compare the president to your goony lying kids.

scott seward, Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago)

obama needs to crank call romney using an obama sound board

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:39 (twelve years ago)

How many buttons on the soundboard play "long pause"

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:41 (twelve years ago)

The transcript of the Romney/Lehrer interactions is pretty funny:

[Obama speaking]
MR. LEHRER: All right. What is the difference?
MR. ROMNEY: Well --
MR. LEHRER: Let’s just stay on taxes for --
MR. ROMNEY: But I -- but I -- right, right.
MR. LEHRER: OK. Yeah, just -- let’s just stay on taxes for a moment.
MR. ROMNEY: Yeah. Well, but -- but --
MR. LEHRER: What is the difference?
MR. ROMNEY: -- virtually every -- virtually everything he just said about my tax plan is inaccurate.
MR. LEHRER: All right, go --

boxall, Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago)

You can break this key "-" typing out the Obama parts

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:46 (twelve years ago)

belittling anyway to compare the president to your goony lying kids.

Yeah, it was a good zing.

o. nate, Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago)

obama battling old dudes his whole life.

scott seward, Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago)

I interpreted Obama's lack of gut shots as "I'm gonna let him hang himself, this shit is too insane to dignify by responding to, and people are hopefully smart enough to grasp that"

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago)

Well, he can try again in a week.

boxall, Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago)

lol Kitchenaid

gesange der yuengling (crüt), Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:03 (twelve years ago)

Obama: mature, level-heade adult in the room
Lehrer: hapless wingman unable to control situations
Romney: wilding out on coke and trying to do the robot to "Cocaine" by The Internet

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago)

Kitchenaid's brand manager: responsible, on-the-ball

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago)

Kitchenaid tweet team member: unclear how they got a tweeting job to begin with

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago)

Why KitchenAid even has a Tweet team is beyond me.

o. nate, Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago)

lol

"When he was asked what he would do to actually cut spending and reduce the deficit, he said he'd eliminate public television funding," Obama said. "But I just want to make sure got this straight. He'll get rid of regulations on Wall Street -- but he's going to crack down on Sesame Street."

johnathan lee riche$ (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago)

interns had a chance to work that one over

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago)

Yeah the phenomenon of people tweeting at a corporate handle when a household product breaks or they receive an insufficiently thorough car wash is bizarre to me.

boxall, Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago)

they do it bc those household product corporations encourage it by having twitter accounts

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago)

"When he was asked what he would do to actually cut spending and reduce the deficit, he said he'd eliminate public television funding," Obama said. "But I just want to make sure got this straight. He'll get rid of regulations on Wall Street -- but he's going to crack down on Sesame Street."

"Yeah... yeah that's what I should have said" (rolls over and falls back asleep)

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:19 (twelve years ago)

and people are hopefully smart enough to grasp that"

This is what depressed me. He appealed to me, but etch-a-sketch appealed to all the crazy.

The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago)

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/R/m/4/romney-get-big-bird.jpg

The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:25 (twelve years ago)

Watch out for Big Laden though

http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/052011/small_giant%20bin%20laden%20attacks%20nyc%20and%20washington.jpg

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:29 (twelve years ago)

Has Obama ever, in his life, actually come off as an "angry black man" to anyone other than absolute wing nuts?

No but I don't think that's an accident, it's something Obama has quite deliberately cultivated as a political necessity, in classic W.E.B. Dubois double-consciousness fashion. There's something about the gladatorial nature of modern debate discourse that runs counter to this though. It's a narrow gap that Obama has to shoot through.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago)

that's what she said

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago)

teehee, sorry

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=819q62ZMYVk

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:37 (twelve years ago)

Maybe someday I'll learn how to post YT videos. :/

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:40 (twelve years ago)

I've had the same trouble

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:42 (twelve years ago)

they may be boys now but they're gonna be gods soon enough!

― THEE-AH-TER (Matt P), Thursday, October 4, 2012 4:37 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

boom

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:44 (twelve years ago)

you gotta remove the feature=player_embedded& part

turds (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago)

http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/4f5552756bb3f78f71000000/romneys-for-ron-paul.jpg

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819q62ZMYVk

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:46 (twelve years ago)

missing a Bootsy Collins-Jerry Harrison backing track imo

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago)

Yeah the phenomenon of people tweeting at a corporate handle when a household product breaks or they receive an insufficiently thorough car wash is bizarre to me.

― boxall, Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:13 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they do it bc those household product corporations encourage it by having twitter accounts

― Mordy, Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:14 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it a free customer service platform that keeps complaints under 140 characters and u can get interns to man it, corporations be lovin that

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:48 (twelve years ago)

at this point it's a keeping up with the joneses thing for big companies, even if you are a CEO who knows that social media is mostly nonsense you don't want to be the company that's not tech-savvy

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago)

The "Uh" video sounds like a late summer walk by the creek at night.

Evan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago)

i think the drive for corporate tweeting was mostly for damage control against popular tweeters ripping on their products.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:55 (twelve years ago)

you gotta remove the feature=player_embedded& part

Sometimes I do this and it still doesn't work. :/

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago)

i feel like the reason ppl are shocked about obama's performance (and tbh performances - i feel like we keep hearing about his surprisingly mediocre oratory performances for awhile) is bc the right wing was so shocked about losing in 2008 that they made up this whole fantasy that obama was a remarkable speaker w/out any substance. he's never been like a bill clinton or reagan type and if he seemed like a great speaker in 2008 it was mostly compared to 8 years of bush and then ncCain. when he talks he sounds like a grown-up (something my Dad has always loved about him) but i wouldn't consider his speaking (even w/ a teleprompter) to be his major area of political strength. his biggest talents are organizational and wrt campaign discipline imho.

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago)

it's a lot harder to be an inspirational orator when you are trying to explain why things are shitty / talking about tax deductions etc.

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago)

debating doesnt seem to correlate that well w/speechifying

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago)

at the very least on the debate stage he's not gonna get caught off guard or say something completely stupid. but he does come across more like a technocrat than romney does, mostly cause he's more of one.

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:02 (twelve years ago)

btw the idea of Reagan as a silver-tongued orator is also fiction too. The guy was either halting or ponderous in press conferences, and at his worst looked his age.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:02 (twelve years ago)

politicians are generally p terrible orators

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:03 (twelve years ago)

well there's reagan and there's "reagan"

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:03 (twelve years ago)

people mostly care about "reagan" these days, but he is basically on the same level as batman

iatee, Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:03 (twelve years ago)

feel like were well past peak reagan at this point

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago)

yeah we've moved on to peak clinton

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:06 (twelve years ago)

clinton is so hot right now

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:07 (twelve years ago)

I'm long on Clinton

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago)

I have a put option on Michelle Obama

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago)

would put on

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:09 (twelve years ago)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/577153_10151266214731081_130742766_n.jpg

ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago)

http://wepartypatriots.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/ronnie-reagan.gif

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago)

ned just posted this on facebook:

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/1815kgfzvlp03jpg/original.jpg

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago)

^^^socialist

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:29 (twelve years ago)

You find something else to cut off!

bonus points to cecelia for adopting ann romney's cadence here

i've hidden a white teen on Crimedoer Mountain (reddening), Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:31 (twelve years ago)

romney is pretty moderate isnt he though? at least in his natural gelatinous state.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 4 October 2012 23:17 (twelve years ago)

no one really knows

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 23:18 (twelve years ago)

You know what gets me though is that Obama & co should have known that Romney would break moderate at exactly this point. The first debate is the first time he's up in front of the entire country in a non-valenced context (unlike the conventions which obviously have to be all about the base). Why would they have expected him to keep talking far to the right when he's got the whole country, left, right, and "center"/"undecided"/(idiots), watching?

Dan I., Thursday, 4 October 2012 23:28 (twelve years ago)

usually candidates do it right after theyve secured the nomination tho, so its not like it was that predictable

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 October 2012 23:30 (twelve years ago)

Sesame Street is a singularly powerful force for good in this world

the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2012 23:31 (twelve years ago)

^ OTM

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 23:34 (twelve years ago)

and, as i'm finding lately, still kinda great after ~40 years

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 23:35 (twelve years ago)

The main thing Romney did that helped him among Republicans is keep talking over Lehrer. It was a way to simultaneously disrespect the media and the President.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 4 October 2012 23:36 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXEuEUQIP3Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ul7X5js1vE

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 4 October 2012 23:37 (twelve years ago)

Al Gore compares Obama to Carson Palmer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtkw8stAlrM

pplains, Thursday, 4 October 2012 23:42 (twelve years ago)

is this when tucker carlson puts up "gore: obama got too high in denver"?

you all a buncha takers (say the sad bells of romney) (Hunt3r), Thursday, 4 October 2012 23:48 (twelve years ago)

Damn that Mr Rogers thing is amazing.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 4 October 2012 23:49 (twelve years ago)

isn't it amazing, Adam? Perhaps my favorite clip on you tube...

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 4 October 2012 23:53 (twelve years ago)

The end of it is something else. Wow.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 4 October 2012 23:58 (twelve years ago)

"I think you just earned your 20 million dollars"

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 4 October 2012 23:59 (twelve years ago)

yeah, holy shit.

Mister Rogers is one of those things you watch at such a young age that I for one have no really specific memories of it, but I know I watched it even just by the basic feeling of comfort and well-being I get when I see the guy on the screen. I remember when he died, my mother remarking that it seemed to her like he was probably a father figure for a LOT of kids out there who didn't have one or more parents around during the day etc, and that rang really true to me.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 5 October 2012 00:24 (twelve years ago)

(probably not a super original observation by my mother, now that i think of it, but in my heart Rogers's decency and concern for kids is now mixed up with my mom's and so it goes.)

Doctor Casino, Friday, 5 October 2012 00:25 (twelve years ago)

Al Sharpton brings it:

"Last night, as I watched the debate, many people that I work with, many people that I know in and around the country, were worried about whether the president was on his game. I was being insulted. When someone can tell me something for eighteen months and then tell me in one night the complete opposite and I'm not going to get offended? When someone can tell me they're going to deregulate and then come back and tell me they're going to regulate? Someone's going to tell me they're going to take health care, they don't care about people with pre-existing conditions, and then change it? When someone stands up and says, 'I want states' rights on health care, and everything else' - women, minorities, and others are going to hear health care and other things under 'states' rights'? And know what we suffered under states' rights? No, others can talk about whether the president was on his game or not, and maybe he wasn't. But I want to know what game we're going to play in 33 days if this man is allowed to continue."

timellison, Friday, 5 October 2012 00:37 (twelve years ago)

how did the rev lose all that weight is what i wanna know

Iago Galdston, Friday, 5 October 2012 00:42 (twelve years ago)

he looks weird, im not ok w/it

lag∞n, Friday, 5 October 2012 00:42 (twelve years ago)

suggesting that some things are better solved at the state level (i don't think health care is one of them, btw) hardly amounts to siding with jim crow, but prob no point in having that argument again.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 5 October 2012 00:43 (twelve years ago)

ooo provocative

Mordy, Friday, 5 October 2012 00:43 (twelve years ago)

The analogy is valid because Romney's strategy is definitely to use "states' rights" as a smokescreen for not actually doing anything or solving a pressingly important problem, in this case health care coverage. If the guy actually gave a shit about getting more people insured and really had a road-map for how state experimentation was going to address the biggest problems in the system, then Sharpton would probably be out of line.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 5 October 2012 00:49 (twelve years ago)

no argument there.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 5 October 2012 00:54 (twelve years ago)

Amen

Raymond Cummings, Friday, 5 October 2012 00:55 (twelve years ago)

also the media and everyone elses focus on who won is ridiculous and grotesque, unless theres some way to tie winning on points to something that will actually affect voter behavior its completely vacuous

I think in this case you possibly can - there's been a lot of talk recently about SuperPACs switching what they're spending money on away from Romney and towards House / Senate races - if Romney looks more credible, he can get more money, and (some) more votes.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 5 October 2012 01:07 (twelve years ago)

ooo provocative

To tell people to cut out their shallow *performance evaluations* of the president last night? Yeah, a little.

timellison, Friday, 5 October 2012 01:12 (twelve years ago)

i was responding to J.D.

Mordy, Friday, 5 October 2012 01:35 (twelve years ago)

Probably a good thing Romney didn't know this about Will Lee (Mr. Hooper):

Lee also began appearing in movies, including bit parts in Casbah, A Song Is Born, Little Fugitive, and Saboteur. He was blacklisted as an alleged communist and barred from movies and on TV for 5 years during the Red Scare, according to members of his family. He had been active in the Actor's Workshop and had been an unfriendly witness before the House Un-American Activities Committee hearings in 1950 investigating show business

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 5 October 2012 01:46 (twelve years ago)

But after the debate, senior adviser Eric Fehrnstrom conceded that it would be down to individual states to introduce legislation to protect people with pre-existing conditions.

you both are the worst

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Friday, 5 October 2012 01:54 (twelve years ago)

haha, holy shit these guys. has any presidential candidate ever been quite this bold a liar?

Mordy, Friday, 5 October 2012 01:55 (twelve years ago)

OK, sorry Mordy!

timellison, Friday, 5 October 2012 01:55 (twelve years ago)

the next debate should start with 'corrections'. so fucked up!

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Friday, 5 October 2012 02:16 (twelve years ago)

they really should have something like pti does where someone comes in briefly at the end to do a quick factcheck.

balls, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:45 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQZ5_qdHLV8&feature=channel&list=UL

scott seward, Friday, 5 October 2012 14:58 (twelve years ago)

tricky dick

scott seward, Friday, 5 October 2012 14:58 (twelve years ago)

are you not allowed to bring notes

lag∞n, Friday, 5 October 2012 15:01 (twelve years ago)

apparently not?

scott seward, Friday, 5 October 2012 15:02 (twelve years ago)

You can take notes, but you can't bring notes.

No charts either.

I bet Big Bird's eating his words now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvnHI1K4cIE

pplains, Friday, 5 October 2012 15:02 (twelve years ago)

even if romney cribbed some notes on the sly, wtf is the commission on presidential debates gonna do about it

real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:05 (twelve years ago)

but i can't find an actual set of rules for presidential debates anywhere. not even on the commission for presidential debates website.

scott seward, Friday, 5 October 2012 15:07 (twelve years ago)

pretty sure the angel moroni gave the notes to him

buzza, Friday, 5 October 2012 15:07 (twelve years ago)

what stopped Reagan's people from stealing Carter's notes?

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:07 (twelve years ago)

heavenly zingers on a golden 750MB zip disk

real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:09 (twelve years ago)

debate commission might not have any hand, but the dems can make hay about him being a sneaky fuck

space dokken (Edward III), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:10 (twelve years ago)

what's weird is I noticed this too - he was hanging out with his family + the obamas, everybody was kind of milling about and he suddenly made a beeline for the podium

If you watch the end of the debates you can also see Romney realizing he left the papers on the table. He went back grabbed them folded them and gave them to his son.

callmegenoable 48 minutes ago

space dokken (Edward III), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:12 (twelve years ago)

we can all remember the frantic dem blogger assertion that W. was having debate responses dictated to him via backstrapped hearing device right? i'm sure some ppl will jump on it but i don't expect major media outlets or campaign surrogates making much about it

real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:16 (twelve years ago)

true - it'd be difficult to prove what he had unless he was caught red-handed

space dokken (Edward III), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:19 (twelve years ago)

the next debate should start with 'corrections'.

this is such a great idea

Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:23 (twelve years ago)

Rules/corrections for the presidential debate are not really a concern. It's not an official thing anyways, it's more or less just a TV show that only seems like it's part of the democratic process.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:28 (twelve years ago)

ultimately, as the businessman candidate, "the economy" is romney's strong suit, and i don't expect things will go quite as smoothly when they debate other topics. i just don't, especially as romney's successfully raised the expectations for his performance now. i really wish a lot of people would stop freaking the fuck out abt obama's EPIC FAIL jesus christ ppl, either go to work to GOTV or STFU but there's a lot of monday morning quarterbacking going on in my FB feed the past couple days

real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:30 (twelve years ago)

there's a lot of monday morning quarterbacking going on in my FB feed the past couple days

i can think of a way to fix this elmo

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:31 (twelve years ago)

dems are being ridiculous, and it seems like they thought it was a better performance from romney than the conservatives do

Mordy, Friday, 5 October 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago)

yeah it's weird

some dude, Friday, 5 October 2012 15:36 (twelve years ago)

it doesn't surprise me that conservatives didn't <3 <3 <3 romney's performance, since he was tacking back toward the center the whole time (don't get me wrong, still far to the right, but just not as on-the-edge of the possibility of extreme right that many conservatives want him to inhabit)

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:37 (twelve years ago)

media critics always blame the media for pushing misleading narratives and generating unrealistic drama, but i think ppl just like it that way. it's no fun to watch a campaign if you believe you already know who's going to win.

Mordy, Friday, 5 October 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago)

being "unpresidential" is the least of Romney's problems but he just seemed so anxious and obnoxious to me during the broadcast, even moreso when i've watched clips since then, that it surprises me that 'the other guy was sleepy' became the narrative

some dude, Friday, 5 October 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago)

and democrats thought it was a relatively great performance from romney because they're so permeated by the "romneybot" characterization that it was surprising to see romney speak more smoothly and naturally than obama.

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago)

I don't know, Z S – I've read way too much crowing on right wing sites in the last 40 hours to even bother peeking at them this morning.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago)

it doesn't matter anymore because the "news cycle" changed thanks to the jobs report

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago)

I think Romney came across as obnoxious only if you already thought he was obnoxious, tbh

Technology of the Big Muff (DJP), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago)

i never thought he was *that* obnoxious (just super dull and boring) until he started interrupting Lehrer.

Mr. Que, Friday, 5 October 2012 15:42 (twelve years ago)

agree with DJP.

and visually, if you watch the debate on mute for a few minutes and just watched them, pretending you know nothing about either one of them and nothing about their policies (aka pretend you're most people in the US), romney at a minimum held his own, and imo appeared more confident, smooth, etc. all the stuff with the numbers, facts, figures, projections, percentages, policies - no one who is undecided can possibly give a shit about that, because anyone that does has already made a decision.

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:44 (twelve years ago)

xp: ah well by that point I wasn't paying close attention because my wife was telling me about a dude in a production of The Mikado we'd just seen who'd had a stroke earlier that day and wasn't going to be able to finish out his run

Technology of the Big Muff (DJP), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:45 (twelve years ago)

in a debate with 2 people you're not judging them on some platonic idea of debate performance, it's a comparison. obama was p terrible so romney looked good by comparison.

jon stewart made a fair point last night that he gets constant emails from the obama campaign asking for total commitment and passion from supporters, and why does that not apply to the top of the ticket.

space dokken (Edward III), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago)

boom

Technology of the Big Muff (DJP), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago)

maybe obnoxious isn't the right word. but there was this nervous edge to his voice. i listened to the debate without looking more than i looked at footage w/o hearing their voices.

some dude, Friday, 5 October 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago)

i mean the 'big bird' soundbyte that's getting played over and over, he just sounds like he's stammering and grasping at straws there, which is part of why it's so funny

some dude, Friday, 5 October 2012 15:47 (twelve years ago)

and it got worse as Obama's energy waned. Romney couldn't see how "energy" looks "fucking crazy" on TV.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:48 (twelve years ago)

p@reene:

Obama is sort of somber and downbeat lately, it’s true. And why shouldn’t he be? Everything sucks! He can’t accomplish anything because of Congress and there are a bunch of wars everywhere and he’s personally responsible for the deaths of a bunch of people, including innocent civilians and American troops. Being president seems kinda awful, honestly, unless you’re superhumanly manic, like Clinton and Johnson, or too mentally checked out to notice, like Reagan. There’s a reason Nixon drank and popped pills! Eisenhower was “terribly depressed” before his 1956 reelection campaign and all he actually had to do was give seven speeches. (That was his whole “campaign”! Seven speeches! Incumbents used to have it so, so much easier.) And we all know that Abe Lincoln was a big saddo, all the time. (Also a drinker: Grant, our other president who happened to be a good writer.) You probably have to be some sort of monster to want to be president and an even bigger one to actually enjoy yourself once you are. If you don’t hate being president you are probably a sociopath. (Sorry, Bill.)

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:51 (twelve years ago)

Who's dumb idea was it to schedule this on Obama's wedding anniversary? No wonder he looked like he didn't want to be there, he shoulda been getting it on w his wife instead.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:51 (twelve years ago)

Ike also had a severe heart attack before the '56 election.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago)

I think Romney came across as obnoxious only if you already thought he was obnoxious, tbh I did and he did. He came across as a smarmy, blatantly lying, disingenuous, and entitled dick

The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago)

also, p@reene otm

The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago)

he just looked weary. and if I hear somebody say "well he has a country to run" I'm gonna... I don't know but it's gonna be bad

― space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, October 4, 2012 11:23 AM (Yesterday)

space dokken (Edward III), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago)

I was sort of surprised that Romney actually said the words "I don't want to lower taxes on rich people" - seemed sort of heretical. but I guess no one noticed?

pareene totally otm

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago)

fuck that, drink whatever, take yr meds, be the goddamn president

space dokken (Edward III), Friday, 5 October 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago)

you sadsack unamerican motherfuckers

space dokken (Edward III), Friday, 5 October 2012 16:00 (twelve years ago)

the president doesn't get to be emo, save it for the rose garden, this is a debate against yr opponent

space dokken (Edward III), Friday, 5 October 2012 16:01 (twelve years ago)

i kinda think he does edward

Mr. Que, Friday, 5 October 2012 16:11 (twelve years ago)

i think pareene is totally on the money, too.

Mr. Que, Friday, 5 October 2012 16:11 (twelve years ago)

i wish the debate rules would ban all "I met a young/old/retired/unemployed/mother/father/machine worker/employer of four/etc" anecdotes. worst anecdotes ever. obama couldn't stop doing it. and leave your grandmother out of it too. stops a debate in its tracks.

scott seward, Friday, 5 October 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago)

eh i found pareene a lil conspiracy-y, obama has never been a great debater and had good motivation to keep it boring

lag∞n, Friday, 5 October 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago)

cool, maybe at the next debate he can bring a box of tissues and have a little cry

xps

space dokken (Edward III), Friday, 5 October 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago)

the president doesn't get to be emo

Lincoln was conceivably one of our greatest presidents and that dude was emo as fuck. (Justifiably so, too)

The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Friday, 5 October 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago)

Yeah but he was clothed in immense power.

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Friday, 5 October 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago)

Stephen Douglas called him "Emo Abe" during the debates.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 October 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago)

But didn't he read his speeches? Isn't that kinda like using a teleprompter?

curmudgeon, Friday, 5 October 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago)

i wish the debate rules would ban all "I met a young/old/retired/unemployed/mother/father/machine worker/employer of four/etc" anecdotes.

"I was talking to one of my corporate overlords the other day and..."

The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Friday, 5 October 2012 16:18 (twelve years ago)

Didn't Reagan start that shit? With like an Air Florida hero at a State of the Union?

Mr. Que, Friday, 5 October 2012 16:19 (twelve years ago)

like mentioning everyday people like they're yr best buds

Mr. Que, Friday, 5 October 2012 16:19 (twelve years ago)

I dunno about stump speeches or debates but, yeah, his SOTU appearances marked the debut of Special American sitting wiht the First Lady.

His first inaugural speech also featured a fictionalized black WWII hero.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 October 2012 16:20 (twelve years ago)

worse than the just folks anecdotes is when they use their immigrant grandparents to prove struggle by proxy

lag∞n, Friday, 5 October 2012 16:20 (twelve years ago)

we get it. you meet a lot of people who are worried about shit. join the club.

scott seward, Friday, 5 October 2012 16:20 (twelve years ago)

i try to avoid worriers myself, total buzzkill

lag∞n, Friday, 5 October 2012 16:21 (twelve years ago)

it is the worst

"like nancy, from chippewa falls, who ate her own children because no food stamps"

space dokken (Edward III), Friday, 5 October 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago)

hahahaha

Mr. Que, Friday, 5 October 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago)

i feel like we could do a whole thread of those

Mr. Que, Friday, 5 October 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago)

like brenda from flint who was so dumb she ate the food stamps, the actual stamps people, does she not deserve to live or what U-S-A U-S-A

lag∞n, Friday, 5 October 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago)

they should be forced to use only one a debate. "i met a single machine worker grandmother of four the other day..."

scott seward, Friday, 5 October 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago)

the president doesn't get to be emo, save it for the rose garden

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO4wcNVbYOQ

purveyor of generations (in orbit), Friday, 5 October 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago)

"The other day I met a woman – Jane from Poughkeepsie – she's got four kids, a ferret who can't speak English, and a closeted husband who thinks she's a guy and hits on her. I said to myself, this is the kind of can-do spirit that makes America a land of possibility."

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 October 2012 16:26 (twelve years ago)

lmao

flopson, Friday, 5 October 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago)

"The other day my secret service detail had to physically restrain a meth-head frothing at the mouth and screeching incoherent obscenities - did I mention his cowboy hat was meticulously covered in tin foil? - and I thought to myself, 'Man am I glad to have a secret service detail in these United States of America!"

The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Friday, 5 October 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago)

"We were at a truck stop in Iowa last week and there was a guy there, I kid you not, whose unibrow was THICKER THAN HIS MOUSTACHE!!! Only in America would he be allowed to eat a Denver omlet at a Iowa truck stop."

The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Friday, 5 October 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago)

biographer David Remnick:

When Barack Obama was a student at Harvard Law School, he was never known as a particularly good debater. In class, if he thought that a fellow student had said something foolish, he showed no forensic bloodlust. He did not go out of his way to defeat someone in argument; instead he tried, always with a certain decorous courtesy, to try to persuade, to reframe his interlocutor’s view, to signal his understanding while disagreeing. Obama became president of the law review—the first African-American to do so—but he won as a voice of conciliation. He avoided the Ames Moot Court Competition, where near contemporaries like Cass Sunstein, Deval Patrick, and Kathleen Sullivan made their names.

Laurence H. Tribe, a leading constitutional-law scholar and Obama’s mentor at Harvard, told me after Wednesday night’s debate with Mitt Romney, “Although I would have been happier with a more aggressive debate performance by the President, I’ve had to remind myself that Barack Obama’s instincts and talents have never included going for an opponent’s jugular. That’s just not who he is or ever has been

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/10/obamas-old-friends-react-to-the-debate.html

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 October 2012 16:50 (twelve years ago)

my theory is that with all of the talk of lowering expectations prior to the debate, obama secretly decided to up the ante and use the debate itself to lower expectations about his debating skillz. the second debate will continue this downward trend, mirroring common story arcs of popular action blockbusters. but near the end of the third debate, just when it seems like all hope (get it) is lost, he'll begin to wake up. the debate crowd starts murmuring (against jim lehrer's clear rules), a palpable buzz emerges, even the cameramen shake their heads in anticipation, all lights cut out on the stage except for one spotlight on obama, and he lands the greatest zinger anyone's ever heard. romney's stage light pops back on, but he cannot respond. the stutters for 3 seconds, opens his mouth, but nothing comes out. and then he steps over to obama and shakes his hand, and concedes 2 weeks before election day. roll debate technician credits

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Friday, 5 October 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago)

then obama rips his shirt off and slam dunks

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Friday, 5 October 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago)

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma7gcsRjuz1qdgto5o6_1280.jpg

lag∞n, Friday, 5 October 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago)

^^ remind me not to consult lag∞n about matters of good taste and decorum

Aimless, Friday, 5 October 2012 17:09 (twelve years ago)

ZS, I think we need to talk about your TV privileges

The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Friday, 5 October 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago)

haha classic aimless

lag∞n, Friday, 5 October 2012 17:11 (twelve years ago)

Man this thread

Fake reg'lar Americans tales are killing me at work

Raymond Cummings, Friday, 5 October 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago)

As an HLS grad, I declare the first of the two quoted Remnick paragraphs to be silly.

Three Word Username, Friday, 5 October 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago)

Pretty sure Clinton was the king of the "random Americans being trotted out in every third paragraph of every speech," but I have this sense that Kerry was the most annoying at it. That may be totally baseless, not sure I can remember any specific example of anything that guy ever said on any occasion, but I can picture him delivering a "Or the milkmaids I met in Owatonna, Michigan..." and it coming out like a driftwood sculpture attempting to whistle "Dixie."

Doctor Casino, Friday, 5 October 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago)

It was even worse when they named names.

Hearing Michael Dukakis say, "I was talking to Ronald Hillsapper of Tillsbrook, Illinois, and he told me…"

pplains, Friday, 5 October 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago)

I was really hoping the fact checkers would pull out something like "Uh, Romney has never even set foot in Appleton, Wisconsin, what's his deal."

pplains, Friday, 5 October 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago)

"Paisley Weinstein, a hard-working 19-year-old Sausalito barista whose prescribed pot helps her get through the odd bout of myopia..."

cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 5 October 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago)

(Jill Stein obv)

cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 5 October 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago)

what I like is that there are so many people in america that you can make someone up and statistically be fine

iatee, Friday, 5 October 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago)

Sorry to burst your bubble but he actually was in Appleton

frogbs, Friday, 5 October 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago)

Statistically speaking, I knew if I used Appleton as an example, someone would come along and burst my bubble.

pplains, Friday, 5 October 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago)

do you live in appleton frogbs??

iatee, Friday, 5 October 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago)

Romney: "Like the caddy I met the other day, who carries people's golf clubs in the hot sun so he can put food on the table, or the clubhouse towel boy, who works summers to supplement the meager allowance that his cheapskate dad gives him"

has important things to say about gangnam style (Hurting 2), Friday, 5 October 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago)

that's it; for the Caddyshack remake, Romney is Ted Knight, Bam is Chevy Chase

cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 5 October 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago)

Biden is Bill Murray, Gingrich is Dangerfield, Osama the gopher….

pplains, Friday, 5 October 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago)

I'd say Biden is Dangerfield, Nate Silver is Bill Murray and the gopher is the undecided voter

da croupier, Friday, 5 October 2012 18:47 (twelve years ago)

I'm alright, don't nobody worry bout me

space dokken (Edward III), Friday, 5 October 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago)

I live somewhat close to Appleton

frogbs, Friday, 5 October 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago)

"A dressage horse trainer I met on the campaign trail told me..."

has important things to say about gangnam style (Hurting 2), Friday, 5 October 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago)

"I met a pelican down at Frisco Bay. He tried to eat my cell phone, but my friends, I listened to what that pelican had to say."

Doctor Casino, Friday, 5 October 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago)

"Shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die"

Bananaman Begins, Friday, 5 October 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago)

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1174631!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/obama-debate-2.jpg

I met a traveler from an antique land, who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand, half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, tell that its sculptor well those passions read, which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things - - the, ah, the hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed." And this - this is why what we're trying to do is so important, he told me, "On the pedestal these words appear: My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" And let me be absolutely clear: Nothing beside remains. Round the decay of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare, the lone and level sands stretch far away.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 5 October 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago)

http://purplepenquin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/clintonlewinsky.jpg

I met my old lover on the street last night. She seemed so glad to see me, I just smiled.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 5 October 2012 19:59 (twelve years ago)

Were there lots of Monica Lewinsky costumes in Halloween of '98?

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 5 October 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago)

are you kidding?

real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Friday, 5 October 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago)

i believe there were. red lipstick, a beret and some coffeemate on a dress, boom, good to go

goole, Friday, 5 October 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago)

at least that's how i went about it

goole, Friday, 5 October 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago)

I used the powdered coffeemate in 2001.

pplains, Friday, 5 October 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago)

really does not look like bill clinton's actual corporeal face ever got near the scene of that picture

unprotectable tweetz (schlump), Friday, 5 October 2012 20:30 (twelve years ago)

DOCTOR CASINO WINS

Raymond Cummings, Friday, 5 October 2012 20:51 (twelve years ago)

I was really hoping the fact checkers would pull out something like "Uh, Romney has never even set foot in Appleton, Wisconsin, what's his deal."

As soon as he said "Appleton," I was like, "you know he was actually somewhere with a name less evocative of middle America."

Sandy Denny Real Estate (jaymc), Friday, 5 October 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago)

Those pouffy black berets were all the rage in the mid nineties.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 October 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago)

I used the powdered coffeemate in 2001.

Is this ... an anthrax reference?

Sandy Denny Real Estate (jaymc), Friday, 5 October 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago)

was supposed to be. how times changed in three years.

pplains, Friday, 5 October 2012 21:19 (twelve years ago)

I didn't really use any coffeemate though.

pplains, Friday, 5 October 2012 21:19 (twelve years ago)

I'd say Biden is Dangerfield, Nate Silver is Bill Murray and the gopher is the undecided voter

Nah the gopher is smart

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 5 October 2012 21:37 (twelve years ago)

http://media-cache-ec5.pinterest.com/upload/219902394274692080_enFMCaLe_b.jpg

pplains, Friday, 5 October 2012 21:48 (twelve years ago)

http://i47.tinypic.com/igaywz.png

Mordy, Saturday, 6 October 2012 03:05 (twelve years ago)

lol

gesange der yuengling (crüt), Saturday, 6 October 2012 03:06 (twelve years ago)

that tweet misspelled "mitt romney" as "big bird"

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 6 October 2012 06:22 (twelve years ago)

i read this was the most watched debate since 1980, wonder what that means

zvookster, Sunday, 7 October 2012 16:25 (twelve years ago)

It means internet streaming has gotten pretty good.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 7 October 2012 17:07 (twelve years ago)

Yeah, I know, it's Gingrich. But seeing him on one of the Sunday morning shows today made me think that Obama could have used some of this the other night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB9XUaMVk5M

clemenza, Sunday, 7 October 2012 23:42 (twelve years ago)

it's not like gingrich would ever turn down money on a consultancy gig, pres. obama. just sayin.

fuck you could probly just buy him outright as a surrogate if u wanted. credibility is out of style i say go for it

you all a buncha takers (say the sad bells of romney) (Hunt3r), Monday, 8 October 2012 00:03 (twelve years ago)

ha classic i dont need this job rich guy schtick

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:04 (twelve years ago)

(xpost) Oh, I know--Gingrich's hypocrisy is boundless. But just in terms of cutting down Romney, that was perfect.

clemenza, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:08 (twelve years ago)

lol@

MITT: You've got a surprised look on your face, Rick.

RICK: Well, I –

MITT: Shush. It's my turn to speak.

pplains, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:11 (twelve years ago)

I can't believe we're reliving the Republican primary debates.

boxall, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:11 (twelve years ago)

there were so many of them... thinkin back

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:15 (twelve years ago)

It was just meant as an example of something Obama needs to do at least once next time: some flat-out "You've got be kidding, Mitt" incredulity.

clemenza, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:17 (twelve years ago)

clemenza, Hunt3r otm

it's smdh time in America (will), Monday, 8 October 2012 00:18 (twelve years ago)

clemnza & hunt3r, that is

it's smdh time in America (will), Monday, 8 October 2012 00:18 (twelve years ago)

no one start hunting clemenza

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:19 (twelve years ago)

you guys, wtf

http://www.examiner.com/article/surrogates-send-mixed-messages-about-romney-s-positions

you all a buncha takers (say the sad bells of romney) (Hunt3r), Monday, 8 October 2012 00:20 (twelve years ago)

he's already taken apparently

you all a buncha takers (say the sad bells of romney) (Hunt3r), Monday, 8 October 2012 00:21 (twelve years ago)

theyre clearly going w/the say a bunch of different stuff and maybe voters will get confused and accidentally vote for romney strategy

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:22 (twelve years ago)

in canada its illegal to hunt humans just fyi everyone

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:23 (twelve years ago)

It'd be great if they count the votes that way and Obama wins on a technicality:

Obama -- 47%, Romney -- 41%, Accidentally Voted for Romney -- 12%

clemenza, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:25 (twelve years ago)

in a world where it's impossible to decipher who newt gingrich is really working for, one man knows the answer...

*morbs voiceover* "THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE"

you all a buncha takers (say the sad bells of romney) (Hunt3r), Monday, 8 October 2012 00:26 (twelve years ago)

lmao

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:29 (twelve years ago)

I don't think incredulity or anger is "a good look "as ILX likes to say for an incumbent. Obama has to be more focused on explaining his own policies than landing direct hits on Romney or he won't appear presidential. Gingrich, a nobody with a constituency of zero, can say whatever he wants, there's no risk there, and yeah I guess he got in some zingers but didn't do so well in the likability dept.

boxall, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:30 (twelve years ago)

youre likable enough mitt

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:31 (twelve years ago)

(xpost) I'll grant that maybe it was good, long-term, for Obama to hang back in the first debate. (A big concession: he took an election where he was starting to pull away and lost that.) But even if it was a good idea the first time, I honestly don't think he'd be smart to try it twice.

clemenza, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:37 (twelve years ago)

he just over did it imho

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:39 (twelve years ago)

also media narrative blah blah

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:39 (twelve years ago)

he needed to go for the big bird line so bad

iatee, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:40 (twelve years ago)

i know it really wouldve changed everything, funny to think abt

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:41 (twelve years ago)

just one big bird zing and the whole thing woulda been portrayed so differently

iatee, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:41 (twelve years ago)

xp

iatee, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:41 (twelve years ago)

mitts gonna fire big bird *wry smile* *thunderous applause* *supreme court calls election for obama*

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:43 (twelve years ago)

did the PBS funding thing really have an effect on the race? I mean beyond all the FB macros from Sesame Street posted by people whose minds were presumably made up already? When I heard Obama's esprit de l'escalier line the next day I just cringed that Romney can spout inanities and he felt obliged to address them, even sarcastically.

boxall, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:44 (twelve years ago)

You know I'm not talking about a Big Bird zing, iatee...something more along the lines of incredulity over blatant health-care and taxation lies.

clemenza, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:44 (twelve years ago)

he had lots of those! those don't get replayed and nobody cares

iatee, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:45 (twelve years ago)

you have to watch a debate w/ zinger glasses on

iatee, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:45 (twelve years ago)

a big bird zing? every reporter wouldve been so happy

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:47 (twelve years ago)

If there was any incredulity on Obama's part, I don't remember. Apparently no one else does, either.

clemenza, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:47 (twelve years ago)

nothing is catchy about tax deductions. there is no theoretical tax deduction zing that could define that whole debate. but even a half-hearted big bird zing and it becomes the big bird debate.

iatee, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:48 (twelve years ago)

i feeling personally deprived of my big bird zing at this point

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:49 (twelve years ago)

lol btw at the person upthread who haughtily informed less well informed coworkers that PBS funding is *only* half of one percent of the federal budget.

boxall, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:50 (twelve years ago)

Why I am I trying to make a point on a political thread with iatee? You're right--the debate was a big success for Obama. (Or, if you'd prefer: you're right--there's nothing Obama could have done differently.)

clemenza, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:52 (twelve years ago)

obama's incredulity was kinda lost in his weird smirky "i'm looking down at these notes im writing" thing.

maybe that _was_ the incredulity?

we know he shouldna sighed loudly and rolled his eyes-that's been done and didnt work.

you all a buncha takers (say the sad bells of romney) (Hunt3r), Monday, 8 October 2012 00:53 (twelve years ago)

...

I don't think the debate was a political success and I'm saying exactly what he could have done differently!

iatee, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:53 (twelve years ago)

disclosure- i tuned out after i realized romney was gonna quick snap his way to points like tom brady did today

you all a buncha takers (say the sad bells of romney) (Hunt3r), Monday, 8 October 2012 00:54 (twelve years ago)

I just don't think it had to do w/ policy shit, on that level he was dissecting everything romney said. just nobody cared.

iatee, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:55 (twelve years ago)

obama shouldve shrugged and said there you go again and every republican over the age of 40 wouldve had no choice but to vote for him

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:55 (twelve years ago)

Basically the problem is that there's almost no Good Look for in-person incredulity at someone with whom you're supposed to be having a Civil, Presidential Exchange Of Ideas. Romney hit an Achilles heel by just straight-up lying, no amount of preparation will give you an angle on that. Which isn't to say that seeming sleepy and detached is an appropriate fallback, but yeah, he needed to reach deep and find a "there you go again" moment that would jujitsu the whole thing around and expose Romney as a flailing lying goon liar, but Obama just isn't wired to find those things on the spur of the moment I think.

Doctor Casino, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:57 (twelve years ago)

curious to see how he approaches mitt lying in round 2

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:58 (twelve years ago)

I feel like if this were a sportsgame and there were a halftime his coach woulda told him he needed to switch strategies

iatee, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:58 (twelve years ago)

That sounds about right, DC. Second time around won't be spur of the moment; he has no reason not to be ready.

clemenza, Monday, 8 October 2012 00:59 (twelve years ago)

I'm not a martial arts expert but when you have a comfortable lead in the polls trying to "jujitsu" your opponent in a debate is a risky move, and probably the exact thing your opponent is hoping to get out of baiting you.

boxall, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:00 (twelve years ago)

like, the Romney campaign will produce one damaging soundbite or media talking point every 36 hours if you just stay quiet and let them, Obama can only lose if he starts trading gaffes with him.

boxall, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:01 (twelve years ago)

obama's not very gaffey, I think the 'comes across like a dick' factor is more the risk

iatee, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:02 (twelve years ago)

its funny because everyone assumed from the start obamas campaign would try to label mitt a flipflopper but instead they went w/painting him as a true right wing sociopath, which i think was v sneaky and smart, but now that mitt is actually flipflopping before our eyes whatre they gonna do, i guess theyve been calling him a liar in tv commercials and whatnot the past week, but im not sure how obama can call him a liar to his face

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:03 (twelve years ago)

yeah for sure, which is exactly how Gingrich comes off in that clip (and most of the time obv) xp

boxall, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:04 (twelve years ago)

yeah we thought the shift to the center was just never gonna happen but it happened w/ zero warning instead

iatee, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:04 (twelve years ago)

and because the whole thing ended up being romney's best tv moment yet, the right-wing doesn't get to say shit

iatee, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:07 (twelve years ago)

think theyre prob at the do whatever you need to win mitt stage of the campaign, expect rush et al will be p quiet the rest of the way

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:09 (twelve years ago)

unless it starts to look out of reach st which point they will of course feast on his corpse

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:10 (twelve years ago)

you really gotta wonder how much of this was planned

iatee, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:10 (twelve years ago)

yeah for sure, which is exactly how Gingrich comes off in that clip (and most of the time obv)

Most of the time, yes, but in that one clip, I think he comes off fine. Romney says something patently ridiculous and Gingrich calls him on it; his derision seems genuine and warranted to me.

clemenza, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:11 (twelve years ago)

vs how much was just 'let mitt be mitt' -> (biggest flipflop in human history)

iatee, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:11 (twelve years ago)

yeah its a good question as to how far back they had this late turn to the middle mapped out

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:12 (twelve years ago)

and yet it all could have been taken down w/ a single big bird zing

iatee, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:13 (twelve years ago)

1. look at camera
2. do confused face
3. (seriously any big bird joke in the world)

iatee, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:13 (twelve years ago)

damn it if mitt nukes the world my last ever thought is gonna be 'big bird zing'

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:14 (twelve years ago)

I want to write a book on the history of presidential debates and do include statistical tests regarding how successful theoretical zings could have been in context

iatee, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:19 (twelve years ago)

do or include, I couldn't decide which, delete one

iatee, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:19 (twelve years ago)

someone needs to get to novelizing this shit asap

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:20 (twelve years ago)

if you could travel back in time and big bird zing hitlers mom think abt it

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:21 (twelve years ago)

it could be a pick your own adventure book at least

iatee, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:21 (twelve years ago)

I would totally buy a reagan-mondale pick your own adventure debate where I got to be reagan

iatee, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:24 (twelve years ago)

Romney says something patently ridiculous and Gingrich calls him on it; his derision seems genuine and warranted to me

^^ yeah i really don't see the down side here. i mean, he could even do it all spock-like, adult-in-the-room or whatever. but don't just let that shit slide.

it's smdh time in America (will), Monday, 8 October 2012 01:24 (twelve years ago)

You two need to start a political podcast

Raymond Cummings, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:24 (twelve years ago)

CHOOSE your own adventure, good lord kids these days.

pplains, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:25 (twelve years ago)

The Shape of Zings to Come: Iatee and Lagoon Dissect Debate Strategy.

clemenza, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:28 (twelve years ago)

1968 france. in the midst of social unrest and bank closures you embark on a dangerous journey. nearing your destination, the spanish border, you encounter a comely farmers daughter. she offers you stinky cheese and a bed for the night. to follow her, eat the cheese, and who knows what else turn to page 12. to continue on w/your mormon brethren and cash your parents checks turn to page 25.

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:28 (twelve years ago)

flip flopper should always be the flustered one on the stage imo

it's smdh time in America (will), Monday, 8 October 2012 01:28 (twelve years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/FKOox.png

someone forgot to tell newt abt the plan

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:36 (twelve years ago)

what does newt really want out of life, sometimes i wonder

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:38 (twelve years ago)

Yeah it's almost as if he doesn't care who wins if it's not going to be Newt Gingrich.

boxall, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:38 (twelve years ago)

here's the amazon bestseller right here - you get to be gingrich in a choose your own adventure debate

iatee, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:38 (twelve years ago)

I remember being very disappointed when Gingrich starting losing in the primaries and never came through with the apocalyptic revenge he kept hinting at. Maybe he's just been biding his time.

clemenza, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:42 (twelve years ago)

not sure why newt's all pissed off tonight. the SpaceX Dragon just launched tonight, the first "real" non-governmental mission to space (they're delivering cargo to the ISS; last time around was more of a proof of concept that they could dock and all of that). i assumed newt was spending all week masturbating feverishly while clicking through hi-res photosets of space

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Monday, 8 October 2012 01:47 (twelve years ago)

Sure would be nice if people were asking for more clarity from the Romney campaign about what he meant by asserting that his plan covered pre-existing conditions. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed like I heard someone try to explain it as having something to do with him supporting allowing people to keep their health plan if they get laid off. Like, I guess you could twist that to mean that someone who got laid off and had a medical condition now wouldn't be forced to try to get a new health plan which maybe he/she couldn't get because they had a pre-existing condition?

timellison, Monday, 8 October 2012 01:53 (twelve years ago)

Didn't his campaign say his plan was to leave it up to the states?

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Monday, 8 October 2012 01:54 (twelve years ago)

It wouldn't surprise me if Mitt's campaign had reversed all his to-the-center moves in the debate already

Raymond Cummings, Monday, 8 October 2012 02:09 (twelve years ago)

I like how she identifies “In fact, I do have a plan that deals with people with pre-existing conditions. That’s part of my health care plan” as thought that's the quote in question. Romney actually said "PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS ARE COVERED IN MY PLAN" also. Exact words.

timellison, Monday, 8 October 2012 02:10 (twelve years ago)

We're really going deep down a rabbit hole when people are saying Mitt didn't lie, when his own spokesman said it wasn't true!

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 8 October 2012 02:24 (twelve years ago)

"yeah, we've got that issue covered, which is that you're on your own"

la goonies (k3vin k.), Monday, 8 October 2012 02:25 (twelve years ago)

Not if you maintain continuous coverage!

timellison, Monday, 8 October 2012 02:26 (twelve years ago)

yeah if you already have insurance, your pre-existing condition which developed after you got insurance is totally covered.

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 8 October 2012 02:27 (twelve years ago)

romney also said Obama doubled the deficit, what's the orwellian take on that one

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 8 October 2012 02:30 (twelve years ago)

he most likely meant to say national debt, which still isn't quite true but is closer to being true

iatee, Monday, 8 October 2012 02:39 (twelve years ago)

I'm gonna run for president some day on an "increase taxes, build trains, allow national debt to increase forever" platform

www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Monday, 8 October 2012 02:52 (twelve years ago)

the national debt is a pretend number. Paying it all off would fuck the economy and there's no reason to do so.

www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Monday, 8 October 2012 02:53 (twelve years ago)

pay for trains with a train victory bond

www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Monday, 8 October 2012 02:53 (twelve years ago)

Joe Biden 2016

www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Monday, 8 October 2012 02:53 (twelve years ago)

i will be your train-running mate

Farrah Abraham had many songs/ many songs had Farrah Abraham (m bison), Monday, 8 October 2012 02:56 (twelve years ago)

what if everything was just trains

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 02:56 (twelve years ago)

i will wear a dr seuss cat in the hat hat and skip through congress tossing out wads of trillion dollar bills and swaying to and fro "it's just paper, darlings! isn't it wonderful?"

Farrah Abraham had many songs/ many songs had Farrah Abraham (m bison), Monday, 8 October 2012 02:57 (twelve years ago)

I'd be careful, there is a train running through congress now

iatee, Monday, 8 October 2012 02:58 (twelve years ago)

choo-choo! you hear that america? that's the train boarding for ~COSMIC LIBERATION~

Farrah Abraham had many songs/ many songs had Farrah Abraham (m bison), Monday, 8 October 2012 03:01 (twelve years ago)

trains are the solution to all war and poverty

www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Monday, 8 October 2012 03:03 (twelve years ago)

he most likely meant to say national debt, which still isn't quite true but is closer to being true

― iatee, Monday, October 8, 2012 2:39 AM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nah man

“The president said he’d cut the deficit in half. Unfortunately, he doubled it. Trillion-dollar deficits for the last four years.”

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 8 October 2012 03:07 (twelve years ago)

run a train on congress! silby/bison 2012

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 03:07 (twelve years ago)

this is why the lying is successful tho. bc humans really don't want to believe that someone is just lying to them. so they start to give the person every benefit of the doubt.

Mordy, Monday, 8 October 2012 03:08 (twelve years ago)

yeah check out this great fact check

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2012/1005/Presidential-debate-101-Did-Obama-really-double-the-deficit

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 8 October 2012 03:14 (twelve years ago)

"It’s possible that on Wednesday night Romney misspoke or misunderstood something in his briefing book. His advisers may have wanted him to say that the US debt, not the deficit, had increased sharply during Obama’s term."

Yeah maybe they told him the debt had "increased sharply" and that became the debt doubling makes total sense.

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 8 October 2012 03:15 (twelve years ago)

perhaps my ears were full of mustard and what he really said was

lag∞n, Monday, 8 October 2012 03:16 (twelve years ago)

Two Presidents, Smoking and Scheming

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 8 October 2012 16:34 (twelve years ago)

the link was kind of messed up, this should work:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/opinion/sunday/dowd-two-presidents-smoking-and-scheming.html

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Monday, 8 October 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago)

maureen dowd, woman of many opinions, few of them worth the effort

Aimless, Monday, 8 October 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago)

I did chuckle a couple of times.

Death Grits 2 (WmC), Monday, 8 October 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago)

Thanks, Z S!

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 8 October 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlwilbVYvUg

zvookster, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 12:47 (twelve years ago)

hahaha

we fed him, now he's an 8 million pound troll all over our board (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 12:51 (twelve years ago)

loll

lag∞n, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 13:43 (twelve years ago)

"Party time, chumps!"

That was awesome.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 13:52 (twelve years ago)

i dont want to touch sandpaper

lag∞n, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 13:53 (twelve years ago)

"the wiz"

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago)

best BLR yet -- I like the way it's following a similar trajectory to "shreds" videos and getting more elaborate

has important things to say about gangnam style (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago)

"I'm not a robot, OK? I wish that I could go higher, that you could rotate my arm and send me whooshin' into space."

Tom Hardy & the Batbreakers (Phil D.), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/BLS.jpg

space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago)


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