Sure to hit 2,354 posts by Wednesday
― Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 10:51 (thirteen years ago)
If you need me I'll be watching through my fingers
― Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 10:58 (thirteen years ago)
so what's the deal with this one? has O successfully lowered expectations, or will anything other than a mind-blowing performance tonight be considered another failure?
― His avid reading taught him things before he had not found (stevie), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 11:08 (thirteen years ago)
You read my mind man
― Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 11:10 (thirteen years ago)
I think the tough part for Obama is the town-hall setting--he's got to figure out a way to glide past the questioners and go after Romney. That would have--should have--been so much easier last time, when Lehrer pretty much ceded the floor to the two of them.
The good news, I guess, is that expectations are higher for Romney tonight. Can't remember where, but yesterday I read that it's gone from 50-30 that Obama would "win" the first debate to something close to even this time. And I still think Romney has it in him to rise to the occasion and say something stupid.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 11:28 (thirteen years ago)
The headline here made me laugh:
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/showmanship-and-other-items-on-obamas-debate-checklist.php?ref=fpa
So if Obama gets off one really good line, he should do a George Constanza and leave the stage immediately: "That's it for me!"
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 11:36 (thirteen years ago)
Lol
― Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 11:41 (thirteen years ago)
Obama needs to come out like "fuck Obamacare" and reverse a couple established positions, then whip out that smile and say "just joshing, did y'all see what I did there"
― Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 11:46 (thirteen years ago)
Alternately he could bring Propagandhi onstage and sing lead on "Anti-Manifesto"
― Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 11:58 (thirteen years ago)
If he's too diplomatic and refuses to call Romney on misleading specifics I'll be totally bummed but not surprised.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 12:39 (thirteen years ago)
Instead of a debate, they should just have Romney and Obama participate in this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u0QF5GJ730
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 12:41 (thirteen years ago)
With so much fallout from the first debate, I actually would be majorly surprised if Obama doesn't go after Romney tonight. I just think, for a variety of reasons, it's trickier to do so this time.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 13:27 (thirteen years ago)
no it's not.
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 13:28 (thirteen years ago)
that makes no sense
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 13:29 (thirteen years ago)
in fact, it would trickier *not* to go after Romney, because Obama has one more debate after this one, one more chance to shore up his standings with the undecideds.
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 13:32 (thirteen years ago)
Different setting--there was the famous moment from '92 when the questioner complained about the negative tone and Bush backed off. Different expectations--everyone knows Obama's faltering in the polls, so any kind of aggressiveness may be seen as desperation by people in the middle. (Not saying that's a certainty, just that it's a possibility.) Crowley is supposedly going to force the two of them to address the questions that are asked--if you've got a prepared line of attack, that makes it more difficult to get it in (certainly more difficult than last time, where they were given space to talk about whatever they wanted).
There are, I realize, advantages Obama can seize. But I don't see how you can say "makes no sense." There are obvious challenges.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 13:35 (thirteen years ago)
eh you can get all around that stuff if you strike the right tone and you're well prepared. i don't see how this debate is trickier to do all of those things
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 13:38 (thirteen years ago)
Aren't all the questions pre-screened anyway? Leaving this effectively no different than a 'typical' debate with a moderator asking the questions, i.e., really the town hall setting is just different stage dressing?
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 13:40 (thirteen years ago)
We don't disagree that he can get around all that if he strikes the right tone. We do disagree on the degree of difficulty involved.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 13:40 (thirteen years ago)
i don't see how any of the things you listed are difficult or tricky or different than any other debate.
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 13:42 (thirteen years ago)
On Romney's side, his biggest challenge is that he'll be interacting with...people. He's never proven particularly adept at this.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 13:43 (thirteen years ago)
Crowley is supposedly going to force the two of them to address the questions that are asked--if you've got a prepared line of attack, that makes it more difficult to get it in
I mean, either of these guys should be able to get around Crowley with no problem, she can't "force" them to do anything
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 13:43 (thirteen years ago)
either of these guys should be able to get around Crowley with no problem
I'm calling on every last ounce of human decency left in me here to resist the obvious joke.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 13:45 (thirteen years ago)
"[T]he Commission shall take appropriate steps to cut-off the microphone of any...audience member who attempts to pose any question or statement different than that previously posed to the moderator for review."
― 5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 13:46 (thirteen years ago)
clemenza, this is a political thread: we shredded human decency after 1792.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 13:56 (thirteen years ago)
O rllly?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d9/Aleister_Crowley_in_Hat.jpg/200px-Aleister_Crowley_in_Hat.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 14:13 (thirteen years ago)
Also formidable:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HO8GPxnR44I/Svd-ktbvRWI/AAAAAAAABPU/UxEKJgvM5qA/s320/scan0007.jpg http://theatre1100.wikispaces.com/file/view/boys-in-the-band.jpg/183957215/230x344/boys-in-the-band.jpg
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 15:06 (thirteen years ago)
so I guess there is a pre-written agreement that this debate will not spark any actual discussion or generate any controversy whatsoever
― frogbs, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 15:28 (thirteen years ago)
I believe that was a rider in the USA PATRIOT Act
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 15:38 (thirteen years ago)
the pre-written agreement is seriously so sad and ugly. "this is theater and is mainly to get people to look at TV; please, no actual content of any kind" is its essential substance. glad I will be at work when this goes down
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 16:07 (thirteen years ago)
P.S. Josh that is the pic of the day & I thank you for it
"this is theater and is mainly to get people to look at TV; please, no actual content of any kind" is its essential substance.
and yet it seems to affect the polls and possibly the vote. crazy shit.
― His avid reading taught him things before he had not found (stevie), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 16:10 (thirteen years ago)
The thing is--this was a story yesterday--Crowley has made it clear she will follow up when a candidate dodges the question and launches into something unrelated.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 16:10 (thirteen years ago)
Not sure why I phrased that as "a candidate"...
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 16:11 (thirteen years ago)
http://gothamist.com/attachments/nyc_chrisrobbins/101512president.jpg
― Iago Galdston, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 16:14 (thirteen years ago)
who is the venriloquist?
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 16:22 (thirteen years ago)
@DennisThePerrin De·bate (/diˈbāt/) n: A bipartisan arrangement among political elites where the concerns of citizens don't mean shit. (See also: sham)
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 16:25 (thirteen years ago)
^^ It is important to remember that the majority of these wonderful citizens either don't vote, or vote rarely, so they basically guarantee that their concerns won't mean shit to politicians. The majority of those who do vote regularly still give only a pittance of their attention to the issues. If they by some chance have an issue that means a lot to them, the odds are great that their approach is purely emotional and their emotions are easily manipulated, so politicians have no incentive to address the issue itself, rather than the emotions of the voters.
It's a miracle the government functions even as poorly as it does. /Socratesmode
― Aimless, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:31 (thirteen years ago)
But giving ppl new reasons to vote were what Obama 08 pretended to be about.
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:33 (thirteen years ago)
Socrates otm
― iatee, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:35 (thirteen years ago)
I don't know - that strikes me as a little condescending.
― timellison, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:48 (thirteen years ago)
it raises the problem that if everyone believed that, no one would vote
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:49 (thirteen years ago)
Socrates was nothing, if not condescending.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:53 (thirteen years ago)
Socrates fondled greek boys, what did he know
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:54 (thirteen years ago)
Nice display name, Alfred.
― timellison, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:56 (thirteen years ago)
it raises the problem that if everyone believed that, no one would vote --cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius)
well if people were completely rational about voting they also wouldn't vote
― iatee, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:56 (thirteen years ago)
so voting is like dating
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:56 (thirteen years ago)
except you get fucked even if you don't
― da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:57 (thirteen years ago)
That a majority of eligible US citizens either do not vote at all or else vote very sporadically can be deemed a fact and not a belief. As for the rest, it is cynical and overstated, but at least it rests on a lifetime of observation.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 18:00 (thirteen years ago)
The great unwashed demand a good reason to vote! Like, what is your longterm vision for Libya? Huh? Nothing? Didn't think so. And that's why I'm staying home.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 18:40 (thirteen years ago)
"do as thou wilt, shall be the whole of the debate rules"
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 18:45 (thirteen years ago)
Immediately got a mental image of Obama walking onstage with a double-neck SG.
― 5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 18:47 (thirteen years ago)
Not given that the administration and Gibson have been actively feuding!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 18:57 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.parcbench.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Dufus_at_ROCK-THE-VOTE-217x300.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 18:58 (thirteen years ago)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8sXZAxnaOxE/UFcSjNzX3UI/AAAAAAAAB7s/InztEyunWVI/s1600/Obama+Library+-+Gibson+guitars.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 18:59 (thirteen years ago)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-beS4OokQLEk/Tllb8gFIoUI/AAAAAAAAEog/8WbhpIAqD1c/s1600/GibsonObama.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:00 (thirteen years ago)
in a more idealistic time i might have believed ppl might get worked up about that insane pre-debate agreement but now i realize ppl will read it, forget about it, and then go back to pretending that the two parties actually do hate each other, 'we live in a polarized time,' etc., and that excessive 'partisanship' rather than outright blatant collusion is what blights our politics.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:15 (thirteen years ago)
it's not really collusion, things kinda suck for you when you look bad in a debate, it's just extreme risk aversion
― iatee, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:18 (thirteen years ago)
mutually agreeing to make the debates as cushy as possible for both candidates is kind of what collusion is.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:37 (thirteen years ago)
nah, you're looking at it wrong, both sides genuinely want to screw the other side they're just not willing to put themselves in a situation where they'd get screwed to do it. there's no legal requirement to debate to begin with and it's basically being done out of tradition. in a world where there was secret behind the doors collusion they prob wouldn't be running a billion dollars worth of ads trying to get the country to believe that the other guy is the satan.
― iatee, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:40 (thirteen years ago)
you can criticize them for being risk averse - and even in a group of risk averse d00ds, obama and romney are pretty gd risk averse. but believing that there is some secret collusion conspiracy because the debates are lame and nothing happens requires pretending that all of politics outside of this one thing doesn't exist. it's pretty hard to write the story of the last 4 years as some two-party collusion conspiracy.
― iatee, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:50 (thirteen years ago)
That's just what the lizard people want you to think.
― C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:54 (thirteen years ago)
not saying they both don't want to win or that 'wanting to screw the other guy' isn't central to elections, but both parties have a pretty strong stake in controlling the terms of the debate and the existence of the commission on presidential debates is kind of a mutual acknowledgement of that. it's not 'secret behind the doors collusion' so much as 'ok, we both know this is in our mutual interest' collusion.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:55 (thirteen years ago)
there's no mutual interest in an election. one of these guys is going to lose and everyone on his side doesn't get to work at the white house etc. nobody on that side is gonna be thinking 'o well, at least we screwed ralph nader and continue to mutually possess 'the terms of the debate''.
― iatee, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:01 (thirteen years ago)
The mutual interest in excluding third parties, prescreening the questions, etc, is that no one muddies the linear "sports" narrative that there are Two and Only Two Viewpoints (Maximum) on Everything. Also known as the PBS NewsHour Axiom.
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:03 (thirteen years ago)
you could include other parties/candidates, which would be waaay more interesting imho, but its not gonna change their fringe status
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:04 (thirteen years ago)
there are plenty of viewpoints, they exist in primaries and in the four years of america politics that culminates in a presidential election. it's like saying like the world series implies that there are only two teams in baseball.
― iatee, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:05 (thirteen years ago)
Were the questions tonight prescreened?
― timellison, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:05 (thirteen years ago)
xp to Morbius
there's no need for any 'secret collusion conspiracy,' both party establishments basically share all the same interests and both stand to benefit from controlling the kind of questions that are asked, who's included in the debate, et al.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:07 (thirteen years ago)
It was announced that the questioner is going to be disallowed if they stray from what they've presubmitted. xp
there are plenty of viewpoints, they exist in primaries
oh c'mon
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:09 (thirteen years ago)
forgot this bullshit was TONIGHT. I will be glued to the vanquishment of Evil, ie seeing the Yankees go down 0-3.
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:11 (thirteen years ago)
obama doesn't have to attack romney to turn things around. he just has to look prepared and presidential, like he's controlling the room, instead of looking like a disinterested, rambling policy wonk quoting good lines he cribbed from clinton at the convention.
― space dokken (Edward III), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:13 (thirteen years ago)
watching baseball still stings after Friday, so I guess it's the debate for me. xpost
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:13 (thirteen years ago)
debate then end of baseball game
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:14 (thirteen years ago)
the 'who's included in the debate' affects them differently. romney would be cool w/ left-wing third party candidates who could possibly play spoiler for the left, obama would be cool w/ the tea party making an appearance. there's no 'mutual gain' to there only being two parties if everyone in your party loses their election.
― iatee, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:17 (thirteen years ago)
Nate Silver's latest. I didn't know 41 "won" his first debate, according to polls.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:36 (thirteen years ago)
is it true, as a friend told me outside a bit ago, that the audience of this "town hall" will be comprised entirely of undecided voters?
these questions are going to be STUPID
― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:36 (thirteen years ago)
not just undecided voters but undecided voters from long island :(
― iatee, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:40 (thirteen years ago)
Getting nervous
― Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:45 (thirteen years ago)
In case anyone didn't notice--I hadn't, until a friend just reminded me in an e-mail--tonight's debate starts at 7:00, not 9:00.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:47 (thirteen years ago)
fuhgettaboutit
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:47 (thirteen years ago)
naw
― *buffs lens* (schlump), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:48 (thirteen years ago)
Have read in multiple places that it's at 9:00 Eastern?...
― boxall, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:51 (thirteen years ago)
metric system
― balls, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:51 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.debates.org/
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:51 (thirteen years ago)
Watch the debates!
All debates will take place from 9:00-10:30 p.m. EDT on the following dates:
Wednesday, October 3 - First Presidential Debate
Thursday, October 11 - Vice Presidential Debate
Tuesday, October 16 - Second Presidential Debate (Town Hall)
Monday, October 22 - Third Presidential Debate
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:52 (thirteen years ago)
only huffpost can save us now
― iatee, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:52 (thirteen years ago)
PBS site says it starts at 9.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:52 (thirteen years ago)
but tailgating sounds NOW
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:53 (thirteen years ago)
starts too
I'm guessing there isn't a "zingers" narrative for this one?
― Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:55 (thirteen years ago)
I'll have to check that--it's probably the coverage that starts at 7:00. Verlander goes tonight, so I'm sure I'll get to see some of him either way.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:59 (thirteen years ago)
obama doesn't have to attack romney to turn things around. he just has to look prepared and presidential
Disagree that Obama doesn't have to take the dude down. People smell blood in the water, and it's not MItt's. Clearly just telling the truth is not all it takes. He has to hang MItt out to dry to prevent a third debate rally that will coincide with unleashing those hundreds of millions hanging around in his war chest, which sure won't be spent simply making Mitt look "presidential."
"Mr. President, I am an undecided voter. As you know, AMC and the Dish Network were unable to come to an agreement, which has already forced me to miss the season premiere of 'The Walking Dead.' My wife is now worried about missing the next season of 'Mad Men.' As President, what will you do to ensure that this does not happen? What assurance can you offer us?"
"I have a follow-up question, too: do you prefer 'The Walking Dead' or 'Mad Men?' What do you think will happen in the coming seasons?"
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:00 (thirteen years ago)
was yr friend emailing from the mountain time zone
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:00 (thirteen years ago)
xp haha @ stupid question
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:01 (thirteen years ago)
"Mr. President, was there any unreleased footage from the season when Martin Sheen was the lame duck and you were preparing to assume office?"
― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:02 (thirteen years ago)
He was e-mailing from a different part of Toronto, about 15 minutes north of me. I do seem to remember some mountains up there.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:03 (thirteen years ago)
wait you live in canada?
― We demand justice: who murdered Chanel? (Matt P), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:08 (thirteen years ago)
gtf
o
"Governor, who shot JR?"
― Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:09 (thirteen years ago)
GTFO did "Roxanne Roxanne," right?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:10 (thirteen years ago)
"I'm sorry, my question was for Sarah Palin. Where is she tonight?"
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:10 (thirteen years ago)
so it's 9 PM EST, 8 PM CST, 7 PM MST, 6 PM PST
let's see how much work i can get done in the next 2.5 hours.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:14 (thirteen years ago)
11 PM PTSD
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:15 (thirteen years ago)
Okay, thanks.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:16 (thirteen years ago)
Those are all daylight times, not standard.
― diatribe soundsystem (is playing at my house) (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:24 (thirteen years ago)
STFUT
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:26 (thirteen years ago)
Even though I'm laughing, I really didn't mean to start all this--was actually trying to pass on what I thought was helpful information. I've informed the friend that he is no longer my friend. Proceed apace!
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:32 (thirteen years ago)
Supposedly Romney will bring up Clinton and Libya:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/16/romney-campaign-ask-about-benghazi-tonight/
I've said that I think this will be a problem for Obama, but I hope I'm wrong--maybe Romney will needlessly step into it.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:36 (thirteen years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/teEgc.png
DEMAND JENGA
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:42 (thirteen years ago)
DEATH BY JENGA
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:49 (thirteen years ago)
god not even a glass of wine. Fuckin Mormons.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:53 (thirteen years ago)
I think I've got the perfect jerk-store line for Obama: "I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's weird, robot-like demeanor."
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 23:12 (thirteen years ago)
I've said that I think this will be a problem for Obama, but I hope I'm wrong
This bugs me to no end. Mistakes will be made. People died and it's pure exploitation.
― timellison, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 23:17 (thirteen years ago)
c'est politics, n'est-ce pas?
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 23:20 (thirteen years ago)
And both sides get hit hard on foreign-policy blunders, right?
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 23:24 (thirteen years ago)
Sure, but it's also media false equivalence. Dwell on one (possible) mistake while Romney has a bunch of smokescreens for plans, tax shelters in Bermuda and the Caymans, and flip-flops all over the place.
xp to Alfred
― timellison, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 23:27 (thirteen years ago)
Are you really sure it was a "blunder?"
― timellison, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 23:28 (thirteen years ago)
can't. even. watch.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 16 October 2012 23:30 (thirteen years ago)
Obama and Romney have more foreign policy similarities than differences tbh
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 23:36 (thirteen years ago)
tone matters, I suppose
look at gallup's 'likely voter preferences' by region for Obama comparing the last few days before the election in 2008 (vs. McCain) and now (vs. Romney):
2008 Obama +/- 2012 Obama +/-East +14 +4Midwest +6 +4South 0 -22West +10 +6
That may be a little hard to decipher, sorry (just go to the link if you want to see the underlying data) but it means that in the U.S. East Obama was up 14 points over McCain in the days leading up to the 2008 election, compared to +4 points over Romney today. And so on for the others. But look at the South! WTF? He loses 10 points between 2008 and now in the East, loses 2 points in the Midwest, 4 points in the West....and 22 in the South??
― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 23:36 (thirteen years ago)
i KNEW that wouldn't format correctly, sorry.
Daniel! No Newt tonight. That ship has sailed.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 23:37 (thirteen years ago)
Given that he wants to be president, it would be interesting to hear Romney address real things that are happening in the world that aren't Iran maybe trying for a nuclear weapon or trying to say that we have to be tough about Syria. What is his perspective on Sudan? Somalia? Burma? What are his specific thoughts about foreign aid in general? There's a whole range of influence a POTUS can have. Romney doesn't seem interested.
― timellison, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 23:39 (thirteen years ago)
don't look for it tonight - the third debate is the one set aside for foreign policy
― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 23:40 (thirteen years ago)
Tonight's half and half.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 23:40 (thirteen years ago)
http://berlusconiyouth.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/newt-is-sad.jpg
???????????????????????????????????????????
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 16 October 2012 23:40 (thirteen years ago)
but i think the sneak preview is that romney's views on foreign policy aren't incredibly different from obama. the difference in their actions probably amounts to the aides they choose to surround themselves with
― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 23:41 (thirteen years ago)
oh! didn't know that, thanks!
don't look for it tonight
I won't look for it much at all in the foreign policy debate either. They're going to talk about Sudan? America still has this lame "only interested if our national security is at stake" streak.
― timellison, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 23:42 (thirteen years ago)
too bad climate change won't come up in a meaningful way (if at all) either. should be in the domestic policy section but could be just as applicable for foreign policy.
― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 23:44 (thirteen years ago)
All I know is that I hope we get another 15 minutes of Libya, because that is surely at the forefront of the minds of most voters.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 23:48 (thirteen years ago)
@david_gergen: Great footnote: CNN reports Romney practicing sitting on a bar stool--never been there.
― pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 23:50 (thirteen years ago)
lol
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 23:57 (thirteen years ago)
Romney practicing drinking water -- he's never been thirsty
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 23:58 (thirteen years ago)
nixon/mcgovern probably most recent time this wasn't the case.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 23:58 (thirteen years ago)
If Mitt could hold on to just one thoughtFor long enough to knowWhy debates just move so fastBut the moderator's so slow
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 00:00 (thirteen years ago)
But, again, you're talking about similarities on Afghanistan, maybe Iran, maybe North Korea. You can't overstate how big of a difference it is to our relationship with the rest of the world that one guy knows more about it and is more interested in it.
― timellison, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 00:02 (thirteen years ago)
And is more inclined to progressivism.
― timellison, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 00:03 (thirteen years ago)
"that's what he has to do to restore the spiritual whatever of his campaign"
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 00:05 (thirteen years ago)
and they both say BIBI
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 00:08 (thirteen years ago)
From Chris Matthews, with "whatever" standing in for a word I can't recall
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 00:15 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-tunes-in-to-see-which-sociopath-more-likabl,29946/
According to polls, viewer consensus following the first debate suggested Mitt Romney had performed a far more convincing impersonation of someone with real feelings and a capacity for human compassion. Voters praised the former governor’s ability to conceal his complete social disconnection and underlying hostility behind a wall of colloquial rhetoric and an approximation of warmth they described as “much more realistic” than Obama’s.“Last debate, Romney was a great sociopath,” said Florida voter Jeff Yu, 28, who remarked that the Republican candidate’s impressive ability to simulate the appearance of caring had improved markedly since the beginning of the campaign. “He looked very comfortable and confident up there, even against a seasoned sociopath like Obama. He really helped me ignore the reality that to him, as to any politician, social interaction is nothing but a never-ending game of deception and psychological subterfuge, the only object of which is personal gain.”
“Last debate, Romney was a great sociopath,” said Florida voter Jeff Yu, 28, who remarked that the Republican candidate’s impressive ability to simulate the appearance of caring had improved markedly since the beginning of the campaign. “He looked very comfortable and confident up there, even against a seasoned sociopath like Obama. He really helped me ignore the reality that to him, as to any politician, social interaction is nothing but a never-ending game of deception and psychological subterfuge, the only object of which is personal gain.”
― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 00:28 (thirteen years ago)
looks like romney's been practicing
Aides to Mr. Romney began organizing frequent, off-the-record discussions with voters six months ago, with a specific goal in mind: making the candidate comfortable talking to ordinary people about their troubles and supplying him with anecdotes to tell during crucial moments of the campaign.The sessions, typically held before or after public events in far-flung locales, around a small table with light food and beverages, had the advantage of being shielded from reporters, so that any of Mr. Romney’s awkward moments or offhand remarks remained private. Aides said he had witnessed — and learned to react to — men and women become emotional about everything from foreclosed homes to their children’s academic achievements.
The sessions, typically held before or after public events in far-flung locales, around a small table with light food and beverages, had the advantage of being shielded from reporters, so that any of Mr. Romney’s awkward moments or offhand remarks remained private. Aides said he had witnessed — and learned to react to — men and women become emotional about everything from foreclosed homes to their children’s academic achievements.
― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 00:32 (thirteen years ago)
For the first few, families sat in one room, Romney in another, and they communicated via satellite feed. Gradually they made the transition to same-room get-togethers.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 00:38 (thirteen years ago)
This is great comedy (assuming he doesn't actually become President eek).
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 00:48 (thirteen years ago)
wow, sam donaldson is 4000 years old. nu-maddow on abc is no maddow.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 00:51 (thirteen years ago)
having a faux-maddow seems so funny to me.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 00:52 (thirteen years ago)
In the middle of encouraging Obama to kick Romney's ass comes this bit from from Digby:
My point is this: Obama didn't "overpromise" as Ezra claims all presidents do and are then hit by a cold splash of reality once in office. He promised things that were fantasies. They were nice fantasies, but they weren't a "bold agenda" of major change. Sure, his platform had some good liberal objectives in them, but they weren't substantially different than any other center-leftish Democrat in this era. And he even managed to obtain some of them, despite an obstructionist opposition party like we haven't seen for more than a century, which is an achievement. But the central promise of his campaign was always that he was "the triumph of word over flesh, over color, over despair" and now that he is just another president, his claim to office has become just another prosaic exercise in partisan politics. And that's pretty damned dull compared to the promise of 2008.
I still do not know what his vision is aside from that glittering promise to transcend all divisions and make us all one. If he has a policy vision that's consumed him for his entire first term, I'd say it's what Matt Yglesias called his white whale: the Grand Bargain. But I still have no idea why he thinks that's such a worthy goal, except as a way to tick off a bunch of discrete policy objectives all at once, ostensibly in order to clear contentious politics from the deck so we can all get together an govern for the common good. More fantasy.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 00:52 (thirteen years ago)
Well the strawman of "The Anointed One" that the right built up during 2008 is the same Obama that has left us down with all the fantastic promises he made. Also the same Obama sitting in Eastwood's chair.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 00:56 (thirteen years ago)
Confession: I didn't even seen a second of the last debate, live or otherwise, so I'm honestly sort of curious about this one.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 00:57 (thirteen years ago)
Do love it when TV/newspapers/etc. bring on the token young person to take the temperature of Twitter and whatnot.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 00:58 (thirteen years ago)
Nervous
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:00 (thirteen years ago)
They've filled the auditorium with the sum total 82 undecideds they could find nationwide.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:01 (thirteen years ago)
Candy Crowley has covered politics "since the days of Ronald Reagan" like it was Franklin Pierce
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:02 (thirteen years ago)
Red tie, blue tie -swap!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:02 (thirteen years ago)
So, wait, is Obama a Republican now, and Romney Democrat? I'm so confused.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:03 (thirteen years ago)
reading off a card! shape up kid.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:03 (thirteen years ago)
Already doing the creeping approach the questioner, exacerbated by the camera angle.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:04 (thirteen years ago)
Romney was poor in college?
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:04 (thirteen years ago)
He had virtually no income.
This guy. False empathy, man.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:05 (thirteen years ago)
Talks about last 4 years as if Obama singlehandedly stopped jobs
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:05 (thirteen years ago)
YEAH YOU BET
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:06 (thirteen years ago)
i don't remember the last town hall debate, did they always do this "let me rap at you" thing when their answer begins
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:06 (thirteen years ago)
Poor kid envisioning a future on the assembly line.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:06 (thirteen years ago)
Ask ur parents for a loan like he said this summer
― diatribe soundsystem (is playing at my house) (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:07 (thirteen years ago)
not sure the kid wanted ot hear there's a future in manufacturing
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:07 (thirteen years ago)
Now that you've graduated college we've got a great job on an assembly line for you
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:07 (thirteen years ago)
So quick question: is Obama already looking better?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:08 (thirteen years ago)
That is, better than last time?
No
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:08 (thirteen years ago)
So I'm like 10 minutes late to this, who's winning
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:08 (thirteen years ago)
Uh oh my youtube live stream is pretty much dead.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:08 (thirteen years ago)
Yes
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:08 (thirteen years ago)
where is the independent insta-voter-meter
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:08 (thirteen years ago)
yes he nailed that answer imoxp
― i've grown accustomed to her face tat (m bison), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:09 (thirteen years ago)
boy Romney's EKG monitor on the CNN screen is flat.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:09 (thirteen years ago)
Took it bankrupt?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:09 (thirteen years ago)
My YouTube feed is dead, what will a Romney presidency do to get it streaming again?
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:09 (thirteen years ago)
wow mitt is really fucking up this bankrupt thing
― jon and kate catch h8 (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:10 (thirteen years ago)
BULLSHIT KLAXON
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:10 (thirteen years ago)
"Just isn't true." Was there laughter I heard?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:10 (thirteen years ago)
good alt stream from the Graun http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/16/obama-romney-second-debate-live
― piscesx, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:10 (thirteen years ago)
Oh great it's back. So glad i can hear a rich person complain about how hard it is for me to find a job.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:10 (thirteen years ago)
Obama going HAM now
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:10 (thirteen years ago)
Obama seems pretty strong here. Or at least strong enough.
1 point plan = nice zing
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:11 (thirteen years ago)
Bring on the dancing horses.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:11 (thirteen years ago)
Mitt has a sad little follow up there
Be hilarious if the dropped Jon Hamm in the crowd as a ringer, for LOLs.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:12 (thirteen years ago)
THE MOD SHUT MITTENS DOWN
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:12 (thirteen years ago)
This is boring. I want Biden trying not to laugh.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:13 (thirteen years ago)
Why can't the president just point out that the price of gas is the free market at work, and that everything will be like that if Mitt has his way?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:13 (thirteen years ago)
he hasn't answered the question though...
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:13 (thirteen years ago)
because it's a stupid question?
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:13 (thirteen years ago)
O's energy level is up. I'm only hearing this on the radio so I can't see their body language.
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:14 (thirteen years ago)
Don't worry, Biden is going to drive his Trans Am right up on stage any minute now
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:14 (thirteen years ago)
Is MItt right or left handed?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:14 (thirteen years ago)
xpost Obama's tie is loosened and he's in his boxers.
They shoulda put Biden in the audience in thick glasses and a fake mustache and a wig
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:14 (thirteen years ago)
just say "we can't really control that"
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:14 (thirteen years ago)
all those dim undecided faces are getting me down.
― estela, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:14 (thirteen years ago)
Here come ANWR
Romney does not seem master of his domain here.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:15 (thirteen years ago)
25 BIRDS
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:15 (thirteen years ago)
jimgeraghty profile
jimgeraghty Jeremy, you're going to be worked into every answer for the rest of the night.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:15 (thirteen years ago)
The audience looks so bored
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:15 (thirteen years ago)
well, they can't answer the question because CHINA WINS
SERIOUSLY, FUCK THOSE BIRDS.
― 5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:15 (thirteen years ago)
They look like SNL plants staring at the monitor rather than what's in front of them.
Mr oil? Mr gas? Who are these people?
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:15 (thirteen years ago)
Mitt Romney really hates birds, be they big or little ones
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:16 (thirteen years ago)
Sully's hard again: 9.11 pm. Thanks, Mr president, for calling a lie a lie. Finally. That second round was a knock-out for Obama. Thank God he's alive!
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:16 (thirteen years ago)
Mr. OilMr. GasMr. Coal
― suggest butt (Pillbox), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:16 (thirteen years ago)
ENERGY JOBS COMING BACK LIKE BIRDS DRILLING
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:16 (thirteen years ago)
Romney flaming out
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:16 (thirteen years ago)
The Mr Men and Little Misses who got jobs
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:16 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j09C8clJaXo
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:16 (thirteen years ago)
Bama, defending himself by moving right.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:17 (thirteen years ago)
http://images.oreillyauto.com/parts/img/large/ags/mo4.jpg
― C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:17 (thirteen years ago)
Ooh burn
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:17 (thirteen years ago)
Oh burn
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:17 (thirteen years ago)
burn
― i've grown accustomed to her face tat (m bison), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:18 (thirteen years ago)
"what I've tried to do is BE CONSISTENT"
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:18 (thirteen years ago)
NOT TRUE GOVERNOR ROMNEY
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:18 (thirteen years ago)
Fight!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:18 (thirteen years ago)
Pretty sure Romney met some folks in the energy sector but couldn't remember their names, so he just calls them mr oil and mr coal
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:19 (thirteen years ago)
Romney is eating shit right here
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:19 (thirteen years ago)
Obama is killing it on this public land thing
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:19 (thirteen years ago)
Re-PUBLIC LANDS
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:19 (thirteen years ago)
Fuck this guy
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:19 (thirteen years ago)
Oh man he needs more sparring practice with Joe, but he's doing better
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:19 (thirteen years ago)
Tensions running high, for a second I thought that Obama was going to punch him
Governor, what you're saying is just not true
getting a little chippy!
― jon and kate catch h8 (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:20 (thirteen years ago)
Romney close to betting $10,000 again.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:20 (thirteen years ago)
holy crap this debate
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:20 (thirteen years ago)
damn
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:20 (thirteen years ago)
this format sucks ass
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:20 (thirteen years ago)
Oh shit did anyone see Mitt just shut him down like a punk?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:20 (thirteen years ago)
Yeah, is there a mod in this thing?
Blah
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:20 (thirteen years ago)
liar liar garments on fire
― estela, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:20 (thirteen years ago)
f'in mods
― jon and kate catch h8 (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:21 (thirteen years ago)
Nah Obama let him be a dick
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:21 (thirteen years ago)
Gas was $1.86 when Obama took office? Really?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:21 (thirteen years ago)
Obama getting nasty now
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:21 (thirteen years ago)
OH
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:21 (thirteen years ago)
the crowd laughs!
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:22 (thirteen years ago)
genuine lols!
― piscesx, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:22 (thirteen years ago)
love that zing
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:22 (thirteen years ago)
That was a harsh one!
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:22 (thirteen years ago)
just got home. how's it going?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:22 (thirteen years ago)
bloody
OMG someone gif romney's face now
― jon and kate catch h8 (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:22 (thirteen years ago)
Romney is such a little bitch
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:22 (thirteen years ago)
So, if the mods can shut off the questioners' mikes, shouldn't they be able to shut off the candidates' when they get all snippy?
― 5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:23 (thirteen years ago)
sore sore mittens
― suggest butt (Pillbox), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:23 (thirteen years ago)
God shut up robot
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:23 (thirteen years ago)
I hate how Romney argues about the debate rules, it's so petty
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:23 (thirteen years ago)
Flailing and looking like an asshole
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:23 (thirteen years ago)
i appreciate wind jobs
― estela, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:23 (thirteen years ago)
Man fuck this format
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:23 (thirteen years ago)
i can't believe i'm watching this. what the fuck is wrong with me?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:23 (thirteen years ago)
"I'm used to being interrupted"
Composed lady.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:24 (thirteen years ago)
Sorry.
ooooh taxes!
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:24 (thirteen years ago)
god fuck romney
― *triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:24 (thirteen years ago)
Mordy just read my mind
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:24 (thirteen years ago)
Mitt's suffering now, but energy policy is the least of the questions he needs to worry about
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:24 (thirteen years ago)
Mitt looks pissed off
Is the crowd all white?
oh god are we gonna get another Tip-Ronnie anecdote
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:25 (thirteen years ago)
Lower taxes? How does think that's going to happen?
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:25 (thirteen years ago)
still a draw, no?
― Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:25 (thirteen years ago)
"... And I want to give everybody here a unicorn. Don't believe me? Look under your seats, you'll find a saddle."
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:25 (thirteen years ago)
― Mordy, Tuesday, October 16, 2012 8:23 PM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
bigtime
lol at Mitch croaking out "...hi Mary"
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:25 (thirteen years ago)
His plan is incoherent
Mitt seems perpetually on the cusp of going Howard Beale.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:25 (thirteen years ago)
"Also, I brought ice cream"
I'LL PICK A NUMBER
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:26 (thirteen years ago)
Dressage, with UNICORNS.
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:26 (thirteen years ago)
He's just making this up as he speaks, right?
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:26 (thirteen years ago)
"I'm gonna assume, Mary, you make, oh, $15 million every quarter"
Obama must be drooling now
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:26 (thirteen years ago)
1 1/2 oz. Rittenhouse 1003/4 oz. Carpano Antica2 dashes Angostura2 Luxardo cherries
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:26 (thirteen years ago)
Romney is rambling.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:27 (thirteen years ago)
RichLowry have a feeling obama is really ready to pounce here
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:27 (thirteen years ago)
Isn't this completely contradicting everything he's said previously?
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:27 (thirteen years ago)
Obama?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:28 (thirteen years ago)
No Romney
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:28 (thirteen years ago)
YES
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:28 (thirteen years ago)
Thumbs up!!!!
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:28 (thirteen years ago)
Romney seething in soft focus.
everyone in the audience looks freaked out
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:29 (thirteen years ago)
I don't recall Romney proposing middle class tax cuts and no cuts for top earners. His plan has been the exact opposite all along.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:29 (thirteen years ago)
so clear, so concise
― estela, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:29 (thirteen years ago)
Bam.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:29 (thirteen years ago)
"now, governor Romney has a diff philosophy."
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:29 (thirteen years ago)
Bama looking good here. Smoove B.
obama killing it w/ this
― suggest butt (Pillbox), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:30 (thirteen years ago)
Right? Full cylinders O tonight
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:30 (thirteen years ago)
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc0j5diWCg1rg2rf7o1_400.gif
― piscesx, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:30 (thirteen years ago)
Crüt otmRomney is repulsive.
Can't wait to not pay taxes on that $8 of savings interest I'll earn this year.
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:30 (thirteen years ago)
Laughter!
Mitt's plan is pure magical thinking. There is no reality there.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:31 (thirteen years ago)
Romney's voice is sweaty and weasly, O's is staccato and chirpy
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:31 (thirteen years ago)
Does Romney really believe this, or is it simply all he knows?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:31 (thirteen years ago)
lol Romney literally explaining trickle down economics as his rebuttal
― Clay, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:31 (thirteen years ago)
Obama loving this
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:32 (thirteen years ago)
I know why jobs come, and why they go: me.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:32 (thirteen years ago)
Sit down Romney you asshole
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:32 (thirteen years ago)
imagine if they were in Sleater Kinney
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:32 (thirteen years ago)
So far, btw, I believe Obama has been "um" free, mostly.
even Candy is getting lols.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:32 (thirteen years ago)
Taking apart the tax plan. Like putting Romney in a chair then kicking the legs away.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:33 (thirteen years ago)
robertcostaNRO "We don't have to live like this." Sounds like a lyric from "Fast Car."
― Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:33 (thirteen years ago)
Alfred irl lol
― 5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:33 (thirteen years ago)
Big Bird!
Sketchy deal!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:34 (thirteen years ago)
Planned Parenthood, oh yes I am planting that seed in the audience's mind right now
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:34 (thirteen years ago)
Sterling brah
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:34 (thirteen years ago)
addressing mitt directly, so great
― estela, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:34 (thirteen years ago)
So what the fuck was apparently wrong with Obama last time? He's on point tonight.
yeah he's been "um" free all night
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:35 (thirteen years ago)
lol otm @ sketchy deal. romney has got to be SO PISSED.
― suggest butt (Pillbox), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:35 (thirteen years ago)
"Of course they add up."
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:35 (thirteen years ago)
Obama nodding, primed for this, ready to kill.
I ran the Olympics
― *triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:35 (thirteen years ago)
Holy lol candy just HORRIFIED mitt with that question
― Clay, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:36 (thirteen years ago)
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, October 16, 2012 9:34 PM (33 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
someone had an anniversary fight theory that seemed otm, guy is merely human
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:36 (thirteen years ago)
I ran the Olympics!!!
(and balanced the budget with federal money)
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:36 (thirteen years ago)
ran the Olympic road to Greece
― *triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:36 (thirteen years ago)
WHAM
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:36 (thirteen years ago)
josh/silby
I buy the argument that he was confused last time with Moderate Mitt and not Stump Tea Rabid Mitt showing up on stage
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:36 (thirteen years ago)
Three way fight!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:36 (thirteen years ago)
Mitt dejected.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:37 (thirteen years ago)
charlescwcooke "No it's not" was pure Reagan.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:37 (thirteen years ago)
Here we go, magic.
Romney is wavering
― homosexual II, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:37 (thirteen years ago)
THE NATIONAL DEBT ISN'T IMPORTANT, all that matters is that we're good for it
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:37 (thirteen years ago)
smiles not masking SEETHING ANIMOSITY
― suggest butt (Pillbox), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:37 (thirteen years ago)
Ok this is lovely
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:37 (thirteen years ago)
gop starting to wonder about these questions
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:37 (thirteen years ago)
Oh this feels goooooood
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:38 (thirteen years ago)
Bonus points to Romney for sneaking in a "this is foreign" dog-whistle.
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:38 (thirteen years ago)
Oh naturally
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:38 (thirteen years ago)
Topics covered tonight are better at least
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:38 (thirteen years ago)
Haha yeah iatee otm
how do i vote for romneye
― (╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:39 (thirteen years ago)
Love how animated O is
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:39 (thirteen years ago)
Romney loves women. He married one.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:40 (thirteen years ago)
oh man:
charlescwcooke And this question demonstrates precisely why Town Hall formats are bad for conservatives.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:40 (thirteen years ago)
please cover me in jewels, Mittens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jBBftDCc9k
― *triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:40 (thirteen years ago)
Mitt will personally hire women at the White House. "Qualified" women.
what the fuck is he talking about?
"binders full of women"
― piscesx, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:40 (thirteen years ago)
Romney just openly advocated affirm. Action
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:41 (thirteen years ago)
Whole binders full of women.
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:41 (thirteen years ago)
"I have a binder full of women!"
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:41 (thirteen years ago)
BINDERS FULL OF WOMEN
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:41 (thirteen years ago)
Omg this cabinet answer holy shit how dumb are you
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:41 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q6brMrFw0E
― (╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:41 (thirteen years ago)
haha the look on those women's faces
― balls, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:41 (thirteen years ago)
there is a woman sitting in the front row wearing slacks which are roughly the same color as her skin & w/ a checked pattern - whenever the camera has her in the background in soft focus, at first glance it looks like she's wearing fishnets.
― suggest butt (Pillbox), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:41 (thirteen years ago)
Romney really not doing so hot. Candy should switch to abortion now.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:41 (thirteen years ago)
there is a pretty good response here if obama takes it ie 'yeah we didn't have to use affirmative action to hire women in the white house'
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:42 (thirteen years ago)
Romney will hire 580 million strong women for his cabinet.
― *triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:42 (thirteen years ago)
Oh god this is rich
― homosexual II, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:42 (thirteen years ago)
Fishnets women looks angry.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:42 (thirteen years ago)
"of course it adds up" wtf
i'm sure the "media narrative" will bear little relation to what is actually said in this debate, but holy christ. he has no answer to this at all.
the "sketchy deal" thing is perfect--that's a tactic he should keep using. "so this guy is asking you to 'just trust him'--when was the last time you heard that, and what was the result?"
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:42 (thirteen years ago)
Get in on this, Barack.
Flexible women!
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:42 (thirteen years ago)
Abortion!
Oh this is awkward
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:42 (thirteen years ago)
I know this is optimistic but in a good world rimneys response to the women question should have just lost him the election
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:43 (thirteen years ago)
"if we're going to have women in the workforce"
― Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:43 (thirteen years ago)
Nah, let him hang himself first
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:43 (thirteen years ago)
"get in on this" OTM
I'll bet Republicans are ready to blame this whole thing on Candy right now
― *triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:43 (thirteen years ago)
is there some rule against mentioning the opponent's running mate? barry should be talking abt ryan voting against ledbetter!
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:43 (thirteen years ago)
Ha god I wish that rimney had been an intentional typo
BINDERS
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:44 (thirteen years ago)
A pocketbook issue, that's sexist.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:44 (thirteen years ago)
Is anything m is saying even true
go hard O
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:44 (thirteen years ago)
also it was incredibly depressing that during the whole oil/energy discussion, climate change/the environment didn't come up ONCE. even though between 65 and 70 percent of the electorate are concerned about it. have Obama's advisors decided that "independents" aren't interested in the environment?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:44 (thirteen years ago)
mitt promises women will be able to work and still cook all the dinners.
― estela, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:45 (thirteen years ago)
romney: i want to make sure womens get home in time to cook dinner for the kids
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:45 (thirteen years ago)
ha xp
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc0jxcQPQh1qckp4qo1_500.png
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:45 (thirteen years ago)
people are only interested in the environment when the subject is not how much gas costs
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:45 (thirteen years ago)
jesus christ these questions
DAMN GOOD QUESTION
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:45 (thirteen years ago)
STARTING TO FEEL BAD FOR ROMNEY NOT REALLY
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:45 (thirteen years ago)
I appreciate that question (you asshole)
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:45 (thirteen years ago)
Bringing bush into the convo, tricky!
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:45 (thirteen years ago)
bushhhhhhhhhhhh
― (╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:45 (thirteen years ago)
her log knows who the right candidate is
― suggest butt (Pillbox), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:45 (thirteen years ago)
nobody has addressed this point out loud
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:46 (thirteen years ago)
Again with the rules!
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:46 (thirteen years ago)
I've gotten everything I wanted out of this debate, frankly
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:46 (thirteen years ago)
some of these questions are not bad actually.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:46 (thirteen years ago)
Bush ...shhh... shhh ... shh....
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:46 (thirteen years ago)
Five point plan again.
romney sounds like he's melting
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:46 (thirteen years ago)
oh for fuck's sake
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:47 (thirteen years ago)
This just in, Romney says that the catholic church must supply contraceptives apparently
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:47 (thirteen years ago)
'president bush and i are different people' lol not a point romney wanted to have to make
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:47 (thirteen years ago)
Bush didn't have 5 points, that's the first difference
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:47 (thirteen years ago)
FIVE POINTS
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:47 (thirteen years ago)
there's no way romney can really answer that last one (abt bush) in a way that doesn't offend someone.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:47 (thirteen years ago)
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSW5l4XI-4OI6PbJa45JGPvPpYa0AcQB9xcT_5-DphTttej4RgOng
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:47 (thirteen years ago)
Mitt Romney is small business.
Obama is winning now because Romney is just on the defense
― homosexual II, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:47 (thirteen years ago)
"our party has been focused on big business too long" suck my dick, motherfucker
i put that as gently as i could
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:48 (thirteen years ago)
Love how he even calls it Obamacare. Who are these people he's talking to? The CEO of Papa Johns?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:48 (thirteen years ago)
why would i vote for a 5 point deal rather than a 999 deal
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:48 (thirteen years ago)
give us a five-point plan on how to do it, am
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:48 (thirteen years ago)
obama's floating on a bed of endorphins
― collardio gelatinous, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:48 (thirteen years ago)
god mitt is like the dude calling technical fouls in a pickup game of basketball
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:48 (thirteen years ago)
This last lady reminds me of when Will Forte would play that deep voiced creep in shades on SNL
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:49 (thirteen years ago)
What is this techno-energy that Romney's going on about? Is he proposing Jack Kirby for his cabinet?
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:49 (thirteen years ago)
I have a 666 point plan
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:49 (thirteen years ago)
Is that a ninja hovering in the back?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:49 (thirteen years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/xY1se.png
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:49 (thirteen years ago)
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, October 16, 2012 9:48 PM (57 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
wait is romney bringing the 555 deal back to domino's?
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:50 (thirteen years ago)
How lame must you feel as a special undecided voter who has to sit there, sweat and not even get a question off?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:50 (thirteen years ago)
I thought Domino's invested stimulus money in new chewy crust
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:50 (thirteen years ago)
obama not saying 'george bush' enough
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:50 (thirteen years ago)
oh there we go
From this end, it sounds like another win for stupid Romney. Am I daft for thinking this?
― formerly r. bean (soda), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:50 (thirteen years ago)
Bam, citing Bush as MORE progressive than Romney!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:51 (thirteen years ago)
― iatee, Tuesday, October 16, 2012 9:50 PM (19 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― iatee, Tuesday, October 16, 2012 9:50 PM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
haha
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:51 (thirteen years ago)
xpost Yes, Romney definitely number two here so far.
yes you are rem
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:51 (thirteen years ago)
I'm not as optimistic as I was in 2012
― Binders Full of Mittens (President Keyes), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:51 (thirteen years ago)
Romney was destroyed in this segment.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:52 (thirteen years ago)
THEY HAVE A BLACK GUY ASKING A QUESTION. CLEARLY THE MODERATOR IS BIASISED.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:52 (thirteen years ago)
why are...things...expensive
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:52 (thirteen years ago)
"W was better than this guy!"
bam
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:52 (thirteen years ago)
Osama RIP. Helps this poor guy, for sure.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:52 (thirteen years ago)
― formerly r. bean (soda), Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:50 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
u are nuts
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:52 (thirteen years ago)
I thought that there was low rumbling crowd noise, but it might have been Romney hyperventilating into a paper bag too close to the mic
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:52 (thirteen years ago)
Terrible question
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:52 (thirteen years ago)
my internet is being fussy + my stream cut out. bah.
― *triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:52 (thirteen years ago)
― formerly r. bean (soda), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 8:50 PM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yes?
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:52 (thirteen years ago)
― iatee, Tuesday, October 16, 2012 9:52 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
good question tbh
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:52 (thirteen years ago)
Bill Duke not doing so hot nowadays
― suggest butt (Pillbox), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:52 (thirteen years ago)
kathrynlopez this is like a fundraiser for Planned Parenthood. #debate
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:53 (thirteen years ago)
i don't think this is quite the blowout you guys seem to be watching, but the last few minutes have not been good for r.money.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:53 (thirteen years ago)
ooh lawd, k lo
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:53 (thirteen years ago)
Forgot Mitt was even there for a minute.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:53 (thirteen years ago)
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 8:52 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
btw i actually think a lot of people of the fox news ilk will think this.
nah if they ended this right now it's a blowout
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:54 (thirteen years ago)
WOW. Romney is SEETHIGN
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:54 (thirteen years ago)
Blow out, no, but Mitt not looking so good.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:54 (thirteen years ago)
Romney = mr me too
Did clipse coach the prez?
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:54 (thirteen years ago)
Really needed to emphasise "obamacare is mitt's own plan" more
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:54 (thirteen years ago)
"i think you know better" sounds a lot like goldwater's "in your heart, you know i'm right"
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:54 (thirteen years ago)
last 4 years were sheer hell on earth
― (╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:55 (thirteen years ago)
mitt's actually doing a good job talking to this guy
― jon and kate catch h8 (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:55 (thirteen years ago)
thunderdome
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:55 (thirteen years ago)
Didn't Papa John threaten to raise the price of his shitty pizza if Obama wins?
― homosexual II, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:55 (thirteen years ago)
(what even is thunderdome, is it a movie?)
Let fishnet lady ask a question
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:56 (thirteen years ago)
It's not a blowout but Romney was not expecting to look like a deflated tire covered in makeup.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:56 (thirteen years ago)
Yeah, by 20 cents.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:56 (thirteen years ago)
OK OK ME TOO
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:56 (thirteen years ago)
everyone should be on food stamps tbh
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:57 (thirteen years ago)
just 20 cents, but they'll reduce the amount of pepperoni by 35%
xpost
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:57 (thirteen years ago)
Bringing up 10.8% unemployment under Reagan underscores that it could be much worse.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:57 (thirteen years ago)
dear mitt u mad
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:57 (thirteen years ago)
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 8:55 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh get out
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:57 (thirteen years ago)
"Mmm-hmmm..."
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/10/17/1350438948841/597c2f72-0526-465d-a1aa-c02000d66892-460.jpeg
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:58 (thirteen years ago)
Romney needs to learn the meaning of the word "pithy." "Pissy," on the other hand ...
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:58 (thirteen years ago)
Is Obama supposed to have a crystal ball? FFS
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:58 (thirteen years ago)
I don't know, when things are expensive I don't blame the president??
― homosexual II, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:58 (thirteen years ago)
He kind of went off the rails there
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:58 (thirteen years ago)
somewhat flailing but i knew tee-ball question was as much a gimme for romney as obama
― balls, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:58 (thirteen years ago)
"umm, romney"
― jon and kate catch h8 (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:58 (thirteen years ago)
I want to start a drinking game for debate 3 where every time mitt uses "crushed" and "middle class" we take a shot but I don't want to kill us all
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:58 (thirteen years ago)
it's really a shame that an event seemingly built for dropping the mic will not feature any mic dropping
HOLY SHIT ITS ROSIE PEREZ
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:58 (thirteen years ago)
MATHS
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:59 (thirteen years ago)
oh for fuck's sake WALES
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:59 (thirteen years ago)
Romney keeps talking about O's record, O needs to say "You want to talk about records? Let's go over your Bain history..."
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:59 (thirteen years ago)
Galorena?
― Binders Full of Mittens (President Keyes), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:59 (thirteen years ago)
This sets Obama up for another massive takedown.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:59 (thirteen years ago)
the US of A.
MY DAD WAS BORN IN MEXICO (TO AMERICANS)
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:59 (thirteen years ago)
magnets!
― jon and kate catch h8 (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 01:59 (thirteen years ago)
*looks at mitt* how you doin *nods toward obama* ...president
love this lady
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:00 (thirteen years ago)
Obama's like "I can go all night asshole"
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:00 (thirteen years ago)
fuckin magnets
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:00 (thirteen years ago)
just got home some 1 give me a like a 5-10 word recap plz
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:00 (thirteen years ago)
Mitt must be dreading Obama's follow-up in the back of his mind as he blathers.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:00 (thirteen years ago)
OBAMA KILLING IT
Here we go.
Mitt's free associating, it's like jazz maaan
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:01 (thirteen years ago)
http://schwertasblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/starship-roflbotcypzfy3.jpg
― zvookster, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:01 (thirteen years ago)
SOUGHT cooperation from congress
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:01 (thirteen years ago)
just lost the gangbang vote
― (╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:02 (thirteen years ago)
Obama unironically using the word "gangbanger"
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:03 (thirteen years ago)
mitt contemplating a drive by
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:03 (thirteen years ago)
gangbangers thrown under the bangbus
― suggest butt (Pillbox), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:03 (thirteen years ago)
Haha
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:03 (thirteen years ago)
who will stand up for the gangbangers
― jon and kate catch h8 (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:04 (thirteen years ago)
Obama off the clock. Is this debate going to go into overtime?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:04 (thirteen years ago)
I kinda wish O had switched over to Spanish for a bit
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:04 (thirteen years ago)
Yeah, this is a gangbanger first
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:04 (thirteen years ago)
Mitt is failing at stepping to O during the joint time
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:04 (thirteen years ago)
wish obama had used a funny voice when he quoted mitt just now
― dell (del), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:04 (thirteen years ago)
romney seems a little tired already. his energy level has dropped a lot from the opening few minutes.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:05 (thirteen years ago)
mitt flail
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:05 (thirteen years ago)
Remember me? I was beat by John McCain.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:05 (thirteen years ago)
"illegals" -- he just lost rosie perez soundalike's vote i think
hometown people on my twitter feed totally not buying obama's line on small business tax breaks
― there is no dana, only (goole), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:06 (thirteen years ago)
small town small business is ground zero of republicanism tho so, no surprise
wtf does self deportation even mean? if you're going to shoot me i should choose to leave?
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:06 (thirteen years ago)
candy crawley should just cut their mics instead of trying to talk over them.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:06 (thirteen years ago)
It's not as big as yours.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:06 (thirteen years ago)
Whap.
four years ago when obama was trying to stop the country from collapsing i was licking my wounds from getting beaten by john mccain.
― estela, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:07 (thirteen years ago)
Agreed
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:07 (thirteen years ago)
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:07 (thirteen years ago)
wait what the fuck is Mitt even talking about suddenly
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:07 (thirteen years ago)
HA
― balls, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:07 (thirteen years ago)
if i could have you sit down governor romney
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:07 (thirteen years ago)
"illegals"
xp that was awesome
― dell (del), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:08 (thirteen years ago)
Yikes, I don't like it when they get all up in each others faces
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:08 (thirteen years ago)
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 9:05 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:08 (thirteen years ago)
what Mitt really will get het up about: investments
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:08 (thirteen years ago)
ok i'm in an echo chamber here but i do think this is an obama win tonight
― balls, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:08 (thirteen years ago)
IS HE GONNA VOTE OBAMA, N-WORD? NUH UH!
http://www.thefader.com/ys_assets2/0005/0398/boosie.jpg
― NINO CARTER, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:08 (thirteen years ago)
Libya!!!!!!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:08 (thirteen years ago)
This is satisfying but UGLY
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:08 (thirteen years ago)
mitt romney walks funny
― (╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:09 (thirteen years ago)
facebook post from lawyer
Romney says his fortune is managed by a “blind trust” over which he has no control. However, the trust, managed by a law firm that also works for Bain Capital, would likely not meet federal requirements for independent management should be become president because of the close relationship between the law firm, Romney and Bain.
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:09 (thirteen years ago)
the undecided voters brains trust
― estela, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:09 (thirteen years ago)
Goddamn Libya.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:09 (thirteen years ago)
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVOxBJYFGhQTmFYUeODHIlv1lmnYc1f4HH-3ODdz4sUO6hN4c0lQ
Our diplomats serve all around the world!
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:10 (thirteen years ago)
BINDERS. FULL OF WOMEN.
Sorry, did someone say something after that? I was too busy giggling.
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:10 (thirteen years ago)
why is obama yelling at this dude
― jon and kate catch h8 (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:10 (thirteen years ago)
Lookin around for Carrie guilty lol
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:10 (thirteen years ago)
Global Telecom Supply's website overloaded
Libya!
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:10 (thirteen years ago)
you will hear 'cover-up' a few times here in a minute
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:10 (thirteen years ago)
O obsessed with "hunting [ people ] down" tbh
Here comes Iran, teed up.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:11 (thirteen years ago)
NINO: https://twitter.com/Love_Dlux/status/258349224356347905
― zvookster, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:11 (thirteen years ago)
― jon and kate catch h8 (k3vin k.), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:10 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
to look tuff, guessing
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:11 (thirteen years ago)
i went out of the room during the binders of women moment, can someone explain wtf that was
― (♥___♥) (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:11 (thirteen years ago)
Coffin-greeter In Chief
http://backtothefuture.wikia.com/wiki/Libyan_terrorist
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:11 (thirteen years ago)
wassup coffins?
― Binders Full of Mittens (President Keyes), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:11 (thirteen years ago)
obama didn't answer the actual question
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:11 (thirteen years ago)
When I say that I would personally rip bin ladin's body apart with my teeth and wear his flesh like a fancy opera suit, I delivered.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:12 (thirteen years ago)
thank you carrie for giving me a question not about ladyparts
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:12 (thirteen years ago)
Mitt: Number One in Libya Matters.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:12 (thirteen years ago)
roxy: Romney talking about getting women for his cabinet and having "binders full of women"
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:12 (thirteen years ago)
Is this over yet?
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:12 (thirteen years ago)
romney looks fuckin hot pink atm. should i adjust my set or
xpost thx guk
― (♥___♥) (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:12 (thirteen years ago)
this is the first time Romney's tone sounds reasonable
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:13 (thirteen years ago)
I can imagine there is nothing about the answer to the Libya security backstory question that is not severely classified
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:13 (thirteen years ago)
mitt's tweet while the libya stuff was happening kind of negates his credibility on this, but that's just me.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:13 (thirteen years ago)
Obama should be wearing a black arm band for those who lost their lives in Libya.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:13 (thirteen years ago)
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/121017015239-03-debate-hp-1016-story-top.jpg
― omar little, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:13 (thirteen years ago)
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:11 PM (1 minute ago)
he really was yelling at him for a minute until he realized
― jon and kate catch h8 (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:13 (thirteen years ago)
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:13 AM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:13 (thirteen years ago)
https://twitter.com/Romneys_Binder
O at fundraisers when he should have been sifting through forensic evidence
― Binders Full of Mittens (President Keyes), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:13 (thirteen years ago)
Yea
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:13 (thirteen years ago)
Obama yelling because he is sick of this Libya BS.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:14 (thirteen years ago)
that was fast: @Romneys_binder is now live on twitter
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:14 (thirteen years ago)
candy went harder than romney
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:14 (thirteen years ago)
hillary clinton: bitch works for ME.
― spicy bacon, bitch! (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:14 (thirteen years ago)
"I'm the president and I'm responsible"
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:14 (thirteen years ago)
the "apology tour" meme doesn't make any sense
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:14 (thirteen years ago)
Arthur ******* im watching this on my xbox so i can get a halo armor37 minutes ago · Like · 3
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:14 (thirteen years ago)
did obama just promise me a rose garden
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:15 (thirteen years ago)
huntsman
― Binders Full of Mittens (President Keyes), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:15 (thirteen years ago)
not rly listening
For shame, governor
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:15 (thirteen years ago)
obama u mad?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:15 (thirteen years ago)
Next Question:
"Mr Romney, how come girls don't like you?"
― NINO CARTER, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:15 (thirteen years ago)
alright
― balls, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:15 (thirteen years ago)
Mitt, move on. You are being petty.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:15 (thirteen years ago)
There was an act of terror in the rise garden?
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:16 (thirteen years ago)
IT WAS OBAMA
IN THE ROSE GARDEN
WITH THE ACT OF TERROR STATEMENT
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:16 (thirteen years ago)
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:16 (thirteen years ago)
plz proceed governor
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:16 (thirteen years ago)
Just asked my daughter what she wants to be when she grows up and she said: "In a binder." #debate Retweeted by superchunk10:13pm - 16 Oct 12
― C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:16 (thirteen years ago)
wow
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:16 (thirteen years ago)
please fucking proceed, governor
― suggest butt (Pillbox), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:16 (thirteen years ago)
Fact check
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:16 (thirteen years ago)
Mitt, shut up
applause! wtf.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:16 (thirteen years ago)
What a bunch of bullshit
Or just dig faster.
Good for you, Mitt
damn candy!
― jon and kate catch h8 (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:17 (thirteen years ago)
Neither of them likes her.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:17 (thirteen years ago)
mitt moving through he stages of grief over here
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:17 (thirteen years ago)
Holy shit, this is fantastic
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:17 (thirteen years ago)
Yes!! GUN CONTROL
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:17 (thirteen years ago)
Good set up to make Mitt look bad here.
wait did people just applaud when moderator corrected romney on a point of fact? i'm confused.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:17 (thirteen years ago)
This needed to come up
JonahNRO Romney faltering here.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:17 (thirteen years ago)
I hate how mitt keeps asking prez questions like that
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:18 (thirteen years ago)
ohhh AKs in the hands of criminals!! -- if mitt doesn't flip a fast and furious bit here he is bush league
― there is no dana, only (goole), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:18 (thirteen years ago)
This was like two way fact check
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:18 (thirteen years ago)
come on buddy i can right wing better than you can
Obama running out of steam
Mitt SOOOO wishes he could just bet $10000. Asking Obama on the spot for numbers is his second choice rhetoric shortcut.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:18 (thirteen years ago)
I thought they were cheering because mitt and candy agreed that the White House waited too long to call it terrorism
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:19 (thirteen years ago)
except for 'why are things expensive' every question better than last debate. say what you will about the american ppl but they're still smarter than the american media.
― balls, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:19 (thirteen years ago)
I blame real-people's-concern bias for Obama's success here
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:19 (thirteen years ago)
I don't think Obama is out of steam, just a bit steamed that he's distracted by audience questions when he wants to beat Romney up.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:19 (thirteen years ago)
Wooooo, Chicago!!!!!
― Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, October 16, 2012
well, he came after that Libya segment.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:19 (thirteen years ago)
Chicago!
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:19 (thirteen years ago)
No way
Xposts to applauding re: time to call it terrorism
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:20 (thirteen years ago)
― balls, Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:19 PM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yep
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:20 (thirteen years ago)
http://gifsoup.com/view/31725/crazy-frog-bros-o.gifhttp://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/121017015239-03-debate-hp-1016-story-top.jpg
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:20 (thirteen years ago)
CHIEF KEEF
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:20 (thirteen years ago)
romney is thinking about joseph smith and urim and thummim
― (╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:21 (thirteen years ago)
GOSH
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:21 (thirteen years ago)
romney is gonna create more parents
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:21 (thirteen years ago)
wtf is he talking about?
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:21 (thirteen years ago)
"before ladies have babies they ought to think of marrying someone"
once again, eat a dick.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:21 (thirteen years ago)
pfft Mittens you had dick to do with the success of MA public schools. It's fucking Massachusetts.
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:21 (thirteen years ago)
Moms and dads need to give kids target practice
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:21 (thirteen years ago)
oh man gotta slip in culture war shit
LET'S MARRY OUR CHILDREN BEFORE THEY'RE BORN
What in the what
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:21 (thirteen years ago)
Gun policy = get married!
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:21 (thirteen years ago)
mitt cosby over here
― Binders Full of Mittens (President Keyes), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:22 (thirteen years ago)
F AND F here we go
― there is no dana, only (goole), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:22 (thirteen years ago)
haha REALLY NOW
― balls, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:22 (thirteen years ago)
married people don't kill other people ... they kill their spouses
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:22 (thirteen years ago)
Vin diesel
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:22 (thirteen years ago)
can someone get that quote exactly right?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:22 (thirteen years ago)
wow Romney flatlining on that fuckin EKG meter
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:22 (thirteen years ago)
but he's got the married fetuses vote
Can't believe he just tried to tie in abstinence to a gun control question
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:23 (thirteen years ago)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A5X46mECEAA20zy.jpg
― jon and kate catch h8 (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:23 (thirteen years ago)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/54/Fast_and_the_furious_poster.jpg/220px-Fast_and_the_furious_poster.jpg
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:23 (thirteen years ago)
can't wait for the media to decide that romney won this in a walk
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:23 (thirteen years ago)
o candy
― balls, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:23 (thirteen years ago)
WTF, Mitt? Hunting opportunities?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:23 (thirteen years ago)
u crazy xp
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:23 (thirteen years ago)
Nah he got smoked like a ham
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:23 (thirteen years ago)
Holder was cleared of any wrongdoing in Fast and Furious and he brings it up, after TWO PARENT FAMILIES will stop gun violence.
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:23 (thirteen years ago)
nobody gives a damn about Fast and Furious cept Diesel's.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:24 (thirteen years ago)
The gun as phallus?
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:24 (thirteen years ago)
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:23 PM (3 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
varmints
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:24 (thirteen years ago)
"gov Romney was for a ban before he was against it"
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:24 (thirteen years ago)
Mitt's eyes all "oooh if I had an AK right now candy..."
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:24 (thirteen years ago)
NRA burn!
― suggest butt (Pillbox), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:24 (thirteen years ago)
Obama steering into education
I believe that children are our future.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:24 (thirteen years ago)
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:23 PM (56 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
media already wanted to call it for O, narrative intrigue and all
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:25 (thirteen years ago)
Obama has been steering this debate from the start, moderator and audience (where they at?) be damned.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:25 (thirteen years ago)
Drop it obama
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:25 (thirteen years ago)
haha yeah it's easy to forget this is a town hall
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:25 (thirteen years ago)
i'm a little surprised when there's a gun question in these things tbh, i probably shouldn't be
― there is no dana, only (goole), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:25 (thirteen years ago)
media called the first one for romney because romney slayed dealwithit.gif
― zvookster, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:26 (thirteen years ago)
Waiting for a hardcore Long Island accent.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:26 (thirteen years ago)
He's on a roll but he needs to shut up
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:26 (thirteen years ago)
'yeah...thank you so much...I get it...education'
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:26 (thirteen years ago)
haha i've got a 'binders full of women' FB group and tumblr popping up multiple times in my FB already
― there is no dana, only (goole), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:26 (thirteen years ago)
lol outsourcing q
lot of jews in the audience
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:26 (thirteen years ago)
lol outsourcing question, mitt loves it
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:26 (thirteen years ago)
this is a question none of these men can answer because yay capitalism
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:26 (thirteen years ago)
To go off shore from time to time.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:27 (thirteen years ago)
trickle down govt
― Binders Full of Mittens (President Keyes), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:27 (thirteen years ago)
Did he say trickle down does not work?
I feel like 'get back in your binder" is gonna have good legs after this.
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:27 (thirteen years ago)
trickle down government
lol srs
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:27 (thirteen years ago)
Talking about Chinese currency manipulation is a good way to get votes.
lot of jews in the audience --flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist)
A) waaaat??B) hofstra
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:28 (thirteen years ago)
"Let me not just stop theree"
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:28 (thirteen years ago)
Babbling
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:28 (thirteen years ago)
And on the first day he labeled China a currency manipulator
― Binders Full of Mittens (President Keyes), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:28 (thirteen years ago)
this shit is so boring
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:29 (thirteen years ago)
By all means go on, mitt
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:29 (thirteen years ago)
http://bindersfullofwomen.tumblr.com/
― piscesx, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:29 (thirteen years ago)
Paul Ryan brought up Canada, too.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:29 (thirteen years ago)
hope they play "strong island" on the outro
― zvookster, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:29 (thirteen years ago)
blue mix preferably
mitt needs a red bull
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:29 (thirteen years ago)
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc0m0qMFyN1rj8amio1_500.gif
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:29 (thirteen years ago)
Yikes
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:30 (thirteen years ago)
He's really gonna crack down on china, good luck with that
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:30 (thirteen years ago)
last question?!?! i wish these things were a little longer honestly.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:30 (thirteen years ago)
Loopholes/lockbox
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:30 (thirteen years ago)
That binder tumbler is lol
How long was this thing supposed to be
should replace the terror alert coding with mitt's complexions on this campaign
― zvookster, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:30 (thirteen years ago)
What am I supposed to be seeing in that gif?
― Evan, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:31 (thirteen years ago)
I hope she asks them, delicately, about their religion and abortion.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:31 (thirteen years ago)
Mitt is code orange.
ok shut up guy
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:31 (thirteen years ago)
xpost mitt connecting with women on the binder anecdote
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:32 (thirteen years ago)
RT @max_read: the answer to this question should be, always, ban guns, all of them, forever
― jon and kate catch h8 (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:32 (thirteen years ago)
Is this Apple specific?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:32 (thirteen years ago)
How can we bring Apple back to America!?!?
there's a... counterfeit... huh... oh... my god...
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:32 (thirteen years ago)
they hack into our computers
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:33 (thirteen years ago)
I like this question
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:33 (thirteen years ago)
They hack into our computers!!
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:33 (thirteen years ago)
"how much time do we have Candy?"
Nice turn around. High wage, high skill.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:33 (thirteen years ago)
yup
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:33 (thirteen years ago)
The counterfeit Apple store was a meme like a year ago
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:34 (thirteen years ago)
future prez romney doing a spectacular job getting in good with the state that has the soon-to-be largest economy in the world.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:34 (thirteen years ago)
Romney really seems outclassed here, totally backgrounded.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:34 (thirteen years ago)
they
are
hacking
our
computers
― (╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:34 (thirteen years ago)
"govt does not create jobs" 2x
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:34 (thirteen years ago)
Obama: "Take your pick!"
last question is shitty as hell
The Tales of Mitt Romney and the Perpetual Wince
― collardio gelatinous, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:34 (thirteen years ago)
Again with "as a MAN"
pro-romney q
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:34 (thirteen years ago)
tbh manufacturing iPhones involves a lot of high skill engineering jobs that we also can't compete on
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:35 (thirteen years ago)
"i think this is a tough question. both of u. if u cld have one superpower"
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:35 (thirteen years ago)
can you please clear up any misconceptions?
"I AM MADE OF FLESH AND BLOOD NOR GEARS AND WIRES"
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:35 (thirteen years ago)
So mitt's gonna nuke fake apple store?!?
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:35 (thirteen years ago)
Obama: "Some people think I am a radical fascist socialist African secret Muslim."
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:35 (thirteen years ago)
chaina be cloggin our tubes all up
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:35 (thirteen years ago)
Children of the same god, BARF.
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:35 (thirteen years ago)
Hail Mary, so to speak.
GODDDDD
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:35 (thirteen years ago)
oh I thought he was a secular humanist
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:35 (thirteen years ago)
Oh my god he didn't
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:35 (thirteen years ago)
OLYMPICS
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:36 (thirteen years ago)
he even cares about the Olympics
― *triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:36 (thirteen years ago)
romney said that government does not create jobs. isn't his whole thing that you should elect him so he can create jobs?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:36 (thirteen years ago)
i care about 100% of the women in binders
― estela, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:36 (thirteen years ago)
Get The Transcript trending on twitter in the U.S.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:36 (thirteen years ago)
WE CAN GET THE OLYMPICS BACK ON TRACK AGAIN
"govt does not create job govt does not create jobs"
I know this is, like, an article of faith, but it's just plain false. Policy guides public investment.
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:36 (thirteen years ago)
not making the most of this opportunity
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:36 (thirteen years ago)
Romney is coming across the dude that says "In Portugal, I was a cardiologist"
― NINO CARTER, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:36 (thirteen years ago)
horrible q
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:36 (thirteen years ago)
dawg mitt mass always had the best schools
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:36 (thirteen years ago)
"the obama campaign has unfairly characterized me as someone who doesn't care about 100% of the american people"
naw dude, that was _you_ who did that.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:36 (thirteen years ago)
shoulda gone full moderate here
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:37 (thirteen years ago)
Here we go
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:37 (thirteen years ago)
I've done these things! I've served as GOVERNOR!!!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:37 (thirteen years ago)
all my kids...who are 98% of the population
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:37 (thirteen years ago)
here we go
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:38 (thirteen years ago)
BOOM
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:38 (thirteen years ago)
oh booooooooooooom
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:38 (thirteen years ago)
i believe governor romney is an asshole who loves his family
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:38 (thirteen years ago)
Obama!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:38 (thirteen years ago)
http://www-deadline-com.vimg.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/AllMyChildren_20110707182924.jpg
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:38 (thirteen years ago)
what's with the constant china bashing. ugh
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:38 (thirteen years ago)
the 47% of the 100%
― estela, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:38 (thirteen years ago)
whenever they start with "I know this guy is a good dude..." you know it's coming
Obama's roasting mitt right now
― Moodles, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:39 (thirteen years ago)
FORTY SEVEN IN THE HOMESTRETCH
― there is no dana, only (goole), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:39 (thirteen years ago)
If I was Chinese, I would not vote for these guys.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:39 (thirteen years ago)
Obama did it.
nice nice comeback here.
― suggest butt (Pillbox), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:39 (thirteen years ago)
nice close
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:39 (thirteen years ago)
Let's see what PBS says. Gwen?
whatever china will have the last laugh whoever is president
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:39 (thirteen years ago)
O swaggering deservedly
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:40 (thirteen years ago)
WHEW
Half the people there are Mitt's kids[/Mormon joke]
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:40 (thirteen years ago)
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 9:38 PM (41 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i know, it's gross, and they both absolutely know better
romney promising to start his term with a diplomatic incident, great job.
― there is no dana, only (goole), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:40 (thirteen years ago)
love shot of romney from the back walking towards the crowd at the end of the debate, somehow managing to look even stiffer than ever
― dell (del), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:40 (thirteen years ago)
Good end speech for Obama.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:40 (thirteen years ago)
Brooks: If we have to go by winners and losers, then I guess Obama won that.
I wish the town hall had been in Boca.
― homosexual II, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:41 (thirteen years ago)
obama killed, can't wait for fox to call it a tie
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:41 (thirteen years ago)
President was shitloads better tonight. I hate it when he tries out rightwing the douchey dude
aaaaaaand Bobo scores the debate for O
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:41 (thirteen years ago)
well, David Brooks said Obama won so this is over.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:41 (thirteen years ago)
lol @ matthews "romney is that guy on the airplane who won't turn off his phone so the plane can take off"
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:41 (thirteen years ago)
I was not expecting the complete reversal on display here
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:41 (thirteen years ago)
I wish the townhall was on a beach in Hawaii, with lit tiki torches and the audience in bathing suits.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:41 (thirteen years ago)
chris matthews: romneys the kind of guy who wont turn his phone off on the plane
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:42 (thirteen years ago)
intrade at 91% obama won debate
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:42 (thirteen years ago)
lol @ chris matthews
― there is no dana, only (goole), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:42 (thirteen years ago)
I can relate to Romney as I also have binders full of women
― Evan, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:42 (thirteen years ago)
Trying not to get into arguments with friends about this debate on FB
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:42 (thirteen years ago)
PBS brought up women in binders, and also that it is affirmative action.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:42 (thirteen years ago)
Henry Kissinger also not a fan of this, but i imagine they pay him well
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:42 (thirteen years ago)
shep: "if you're an R, you like what your guy did, if you're a D, you like what your guy did"
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:43 (thirteen years ago)
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 9:41 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
clearly someone should just throw his phone out the window oh wait
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:43 (thirteen years ago)
ABC post-commentary: Obama drank his Honey-Boo-Boo juice #smh
― suggest butt (Pillbox), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:43 (thirteen years ago)
Zing
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:43 (thirteen years ago)
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:43 PM (14 seconds ago)
Can't a guy get some fresh air?
― Evan, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:44 (thirteen years ago)
that's not the right kind of LOLing at Chris Matthews
(was 'Bobby Kennedy in the green room tonight'?)
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:44 (thirteen years ago)
damn that 47% bit at the end was on some mckayla maroney vault shit
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:44 (thirteen years ago)
"women in binders" = romney is some kind of pre-internet violentacrez?
― i've hidden a white teen on Crimedoer Mountain (reddening), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:45 (thirteen years ago)
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:43 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
when partisans say shit like this you know they lost
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:45 (thirteen years ago)
I thought Obama had some really good segments tonight, and being able to end the way he did was a gift. He was probably as combative as he you'll see him. Romney was quite a rude fuck at times. Honestly, though, and I hope I'm wrong, I don't think it'll change Romney's recent strong standing. Obama clearly dodged two or three times--unlike Romney, he won't just make stuff up--and I bet he gets called on a fact-check or two (e.g., all that business about energy and federal lands). We'll see. I swear I thought they were gonna start shoving each other when they got fairly close early on.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:45 (thirteen years ago)
I lol'd when another commentator said "well played" in response to this
― *triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:45 (thirteen years ago)
hahaha I love user comments here like this one from Miss Cleo:
Mitt Romney is going to win by a landslide. He will become the most beloved and respected President since Reagan; and for the next 8 years, he will do wonderful things for the American people.
― homosexual II, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:45 (thirteen years ago)
Honey Boo Boo juice? What does that even mean?
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:46 (thirteen years ago)
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:44 PM (29 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Because Romney just said he cares about every single American, despite what some people say. Too bad some of those people include Mitt Romney.
― Evan, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:46 (thirteen years ago)
I bet he gets called on a fact-check or two
fact-checks, the smoking gun that has felled many a candidate
― omar little, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:46 (thirteen years ago)
Dude on PBS called this debate "icy."
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:47 (thirteen years ago)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Cleo
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:47 (thirteen years ago)
I suppose I shouild look shame-faced, but I couldn't face watching this shit tonight and avoided it except for maybe 50 seconds in passing.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:47 (thirteen years ago)
I have the reverse shame. I vowed not to watch it and watched pretty much the entire thing.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:47 (thirteen years ago)
Eh, it wasn't that bad.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:48 (thirteen years ago)
Too short, though.
romney's debate coach admitting he lost the debate
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:48 (thirteen years ago)
srsly this is not going to be seen as a 'win' for obama like it was for romney, all the stations are just going to equivocate their "going after each other" all night and call it a tie, cause that's the best fox can do and fox owns this shit
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:48 (thirteen years ago)
you gotta lock that shit down! xp
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:49 (thirteen years ago)
chris hayes just made a fucking great point on msnbc IMO
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:49 (thirteen years ago)
Face it: Obama won
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:49 (thirteen years ago)
xxxp zach i think you're wrong. i think it'll be a big win for obama, but i'm not sure that it'll move the polls significantly bc i still can't believe last debate moved the polls this time
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:49 (thirteen years ago)
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:49 PM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:49 (thirteen years ago)
what'd Hayes say, sarge?
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:50 (thirteen years ago)
Will calling it from Obama decisively
― diatribe soundsystem (is playing at my house) (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:50 (thirteen years ago)
if obama had just done this the first debate ffs
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:50 (thirteen years ago)
Romney was terrible trying to clear up the biggest misconception about himself. Obama's worst segment was on guns, which he obviously didn't want to talk about.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:50 (thirteen years ago)
Really, I was struck by how often Romney just vanished. You forgot him and the audience were even there, which says more about MItt's weakness than Obama's strengths.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:50 (thirteen years ago)
intrade already trending up for obama - 2% since debate ended
that's as definitive as it gets i think
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:50 (thirteen years ago)
Yahoo Twitter babe soon reporting on #bindersofwomen no doubt.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:50 (thirteen years ago)
I like that NR thinks Romney won the energy portion.
― suggest butt (Pillbox), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:51 (thirteen years ago)
i ran out of the room at the end...did O smackdown Mittens on 47%? Damn! Someone please summarize!
― Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:51 (thirteen years ago)
They should make the wives host a bake off. Can imagine a room full of fat undecided voters trying cupcakes. Would make good TV.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:52 (thirteen years ago)
wait uh you are serious, someone on a television news program made a reference to this as part of their analysis? that's really disrespectful
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:52 (thirteen years ago)
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 9:50 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I don't think the media narrative would have been nearly as friendly, it would just go down as 'the time the black man got angry for no reason' instead of 'obama strikes back'
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:52 (thirteen years ago)
there's no way Ann Romney has ever baked anything in her life (this might be hideously unfair)
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:53 (thirteen years ago)
Developing narrative is that Obama's stone cold icy killer demeanor was a negative.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:53 (thirteen years ago)
She could hire a bake coach.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:50 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
he said that romney's constant interrupting of obama SHOULDN'T matter, because who cares about some dumb rules contract that the two sides negotiated before the debate. but it DOES matter because the entire last decade of this country has been colored by oligarchs of this country feeling like the rules don't apply to them, and this was a very public representation of that.
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:53 (thirteen years ago)
De-bake coach.
Romneys will be eating funeral potatoes tonight, whoever makes them.
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:54 (thirteen years ago)
― Iago Galdston, Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:51 PM (43 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Romney had just said he cares about every single American, despite what some people say. Too bad some of those people include Mitt Romney, as Obama pointed out with the 47% remark.
― Evan, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:54 (thirteen years ago)
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:53 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
gee
who saw that coming
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:54 (thirteen years ago)
― iatee, Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:52 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
obvs were getting into speculative fiction territory here but i feel like mitts recent rampaging through the polls couldve been avoided and thus my peace of mind preserved
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:55 (thirteen years ago)
that's really disrespectful
yeah, thing of it is, he meant it as a sincere compliment (and then was big-upped by his cohort, as crüt mentioned upthread).
― suggest butt (Pillbox), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:55 (thirteen years ago)
to be fair he started out falling all over himself to say he would not be outdrilled or outcoaled
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:55 (thirteen years ago)
andrew sullivan has come down off the ledge
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:56 (thirteen years ago)
Thanks, Evan xp
― Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:56 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.theonion.com/articles/millions-head-to-internet-to-figure-out-their-own,29948
Millions Head To Internet To Figure Out Their Own Opinions About Debate
OCTOBER 16, 2012 | ISSUE 48•42 |
NEW YORK—Following tonight’s debate between President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney, millions of Americans took to the Internet to read the views and responses of others so that they themselves could ultimately figure out how they felt about the candidates’ performances. “I need to see what complete and total strangers are saying on Twitter and Facebook, read what the political pundits on CNN.com are writing, and then maybe I can reach my own conclusion about the debate I just watched,” said Raleigh, NC resident Jarrod Kakofski, adding that while he has a “gut feeling” about who won the contest, he would rather see if those thoughts are supported by political analysts and other online commentators “just in case [his] opinion ends up being wrong.” “I won’t be able to offer any ideas about the candidates’ policy proposals, body language, or overall relatability until I get online and am told which person I was supposed to like most.” Viewers nationwide also confirmed they would need to consult The Huffington Post before deciding what they thought about the performance of debate moderator Candy Crowley.
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:56 (thirteen years ago)
I feel like there should be an ilx thread for counterfactual political worlds
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:56 (thirteen years ago)
xp to lag00n
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:57 (thirteen years ago)
otm
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:57 (thirteen years ago)
CBS brings up Bindergate
― Binders Full of Mittens (President Keyes), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:57 (thirteen years ago)
i feel like mitts recent rampaging through the polls couldve been avoided and thus my peace of mind preserved― --bob marley (lag∞n), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:55 PM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:55 PM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
tbf, the Democratic Party is interested in keeping their base agitated rather than complacent as the election approaches
― *triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:57 (thirteen years ago)
I bet he gets called on a fact-check or two (e.g., all that business about energy and federal lands).
Good news, CNN just fact checked in obamas favor
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:57 (thirteen years ago)
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:55 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
dont let yrself he outcoaled, first rule of debating
"this may require some further explanation by the Governor"
Game, set and match to Obama. He got it; he fought back; he gave us all more than ample reason to carry on the fight.
Three guesses as to who that is...Is he not capable of saying "much better, maybe not enough"?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:58 (thirteen years ago)
sullivan no
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:58 (thirteen years ago)
I really feel like romney missed the perfect opportunity to declare himself the moderate of all moderates at the end of this
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:59 (thirteen years ago)
tea party types more or less locked in at this point
I've got the same thing on in the background. They did what they always do: called it a draw.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 02:59 (thirteen years ago)
iatee otm
― balls, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:01 (thirteen years ago)
ok resuming 4th inning mlb playoffs no spolierz plz
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:01 (thirteen years ago)
verlander shelled
― omar little, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:02 (thirteen years ago)
I didn't think much of Crowley. She seemed quite arbitrary as to when she'd let them stretch and when she clamped down.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:02 (thirteen years ago)
best show's on! Tom's about to Bad Company a caller off the air!
wfmu.org!
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:03 (thirteen years ago)
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc0m38XPkY1rj8amio1_1280.jpg
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:03 (thirteen years ago)
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:56 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
finally the nation is at ease
― Clay, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:03 (thirteen years ago)
Obama/Detroit - the good guys are winning tonight!
(knock on wood, in the case of Detroit)
― suggest butt (Pillbox), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:04 (thirteen years ago)
no spolierz plz - oops, sry
Krauthammer naturally shaking his baked nose at Crowley's "intervention."
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:05 (thirteen years ago)
god damn it people
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:05 (thirteen years ago)
cant believe Best Show was on during debate...now have to wait til thursday for the podcast version (xxxp)
― Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:06 (thirteen years ago)
“@fivethirtyeight: Looks like Obama named winner by CBS, Google and PPP snap polls. No word from CNN poll yet.”
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:07 (thirteen years ago)
sullivan on the phone with chris matthews right now
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:07 (thirteen years ago)
There's one thing that Obama said three or four times that cracked me up: "Lookin' forward to it" when Crowley pressed ahead with another questioner. I don't know if it'll matter as much as I wish it did, but Romney's so much more the bully.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:07 (thirteen years ago)
#hackingourcomputers
― (╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:08 (thirteen years ago)
Sullivan feeling a tingle in his scrotum
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:08 (thirteen years ago)
Matthews babbling about a spiritual revival for Obama.
Sully with qftw: "I can only tell you what's going in my little soul and mind."
god I hate sullivan so much how does this guy have a job
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:09 (thirteen years ago)
i just heard sullivan's voice for the first time
― da croupier, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:09 (thirteen years ago)
repenting to the gods right now
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:09 (thirteen years ago)
is it high and squeaky xp
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:09 (thirteen years ago)
sounds like a jon wurster character
― da croupier, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:10 (thirteen years ago)
this is my first debate with cable, guys. So far am regretting it.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:10 (thirteen years ago)
checking for some some schadenfreude but freerepublic.com is down...
― dsb, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:10 (thirteen years ago)
Sullivan's internal rollercoaster must be a helluva ride
― Clay, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:10 (thirteen years ago)
http://buzzfeed.tumblr.com/post/33751329834/josh-romney-in-the-audience-of-tonights-debate
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:10 (thirteen years ago)
I must have missed some line about binders, because I don't understand any of that.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:11 (thirteen years ago)
whats up to this girl behind pataki rt now
― jon and kate catch h8 (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:12 (thirteen years ago)
binders was the line of the night!
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:12 (thirteen years ago)
More cable, more problems
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:12 (thirteen years ago)
Honestly, what was it? Maybe that's when I was pouring cereal. (xpost)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:13 (thirteen years ago)
https://twitter.com/cher/status/258404041892179968
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:14 (thirteen years ago)
Romney said that as part of Bain's investments in Staples he handed out binders to women workers in which they could place discarded fetuses.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:14 (thirteen years ago)
Romney said when he became governor there weren't any women applying for positions in his administration so he had a team put together "binders full of women" for mitt to hire from.
― Clay, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:14 (thirteen years ago)
...great?
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:15 (thirteen years ago)
The thing about binders is hilars but what was really important about it is that Romney just re-enacted affirmative action to a room full of white, middle class "undecided" voters and no one noticed. Well, hardly anyone.
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:15 (thirteen years ago)
cher is too real
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:15 (thirteen years ago)
― dsb, Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:10 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh, but you must be new to how Teabags can spin anything to their favor/any Democrat's disfavor.
― spicy bacon, bitch! (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:16 (thirteen years ago)
fox new moaning about moderator, format of debate inherently liberal
― balls, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:16 (thirteen years ago)
Okay, I did hear that. It didn't jump out at me then, but seeing it here, it does look pretty stupid.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:17 (thirteen years ago)
Frank Luntz focus group of "undecided" voters on Fox news, everyone claimed to be former Obama Voters who thought romney looked presidential and dynamic. some guy just said obama was a bullshitter.
― dsb, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:17 (thirteen years ago)
Ryan Gosling responds: http://dailydish.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e2017c3293f076970b-popup
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:18 (thirteen years ago)
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/65465_10150259887279999_1169058187_n.jpg
you say tomato, i say tomahto...
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:18 (thirteen years ago)
Finger bump.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:18 (thirteen years ago)
e.t... elliot
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:19 (thirteen years ago)
12, Cher
― omar little, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:20 (thirteen years ago)
the binders full of women facebook has 100k followers
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:21 (thirteen years ago)
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrNebQV_VLdjCfHt9iKgqpzsoxuPpVrT1WSEPfqcFSJWX05Ks4yQ
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:21 (thirteen years ago)
"I went to a number of women's groups and said, "Can you help us find folks," and they brought us whole binders full of women."
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:23 (thirteen years ago)
So regrettable
I know some guy who probably have some binders full of....women
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:24 (thirteen years ago)
Reading back I just realized that the goof I heard on MSNBC in the background a few min ago was sully
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:25 (thirteen years ago)
on WFMU, Tom has already Bad Company'd out two callers back-to-back and is on the 2nd or 3rd Led Zep song on the evening
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:28 (thirteen years ago)
love this photo
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc0me04Fs71qas8z9o1_500.jpg
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:28 (thirteen years ago)
interesting that libya, if anything, ended up being a net plus for obama at the end of this, I'm seeing that candy-fact-check moment come up a lot. it makes a big impression on screen.
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:29 (thirteen years ago)
xpost -- Boy those Weeping Angels get around, don't they.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:29 (thirteen years ago)
http://bindersfullofwomen.tumblr.com/image/33750223803
― omar little, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:29 (thirteen years ago)
that fact check may have decided the election
― Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:32 (thirteen years ago)
and the binder full of women, obvs
― Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:33 (thirteen years ago)
PublicPolicyPolling @ppppolls
Colorado voters give Obama a 48/44 victory in the debate- more importantly 58/36 among independents. Sample is R+3
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:33 (thirteen years ago)
― iatee, Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:29 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah this was mitt's best opportunity and he totally fucked it up.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:33 (thirteen years ago)
CNN poll calling it 46 percent-39 for Obama with registered voters
proceed, governor was so cold
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:34 (thirteen years ago)
polls of registered voters w/ these has to be put in context which is that 75% of those opinions were locked in beforehand
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:36 (thirteen years ago)
i don't think any single moment will get pinned as a deciding point (well, something will, but it won't be correct), but i think the gestalt impression of a sputtering romney and a swaggering obama might
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:36 (thirteen years ago)
^ loved that
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:37 (thirteen years ago)
If Andrew Sullivan were a baseball writer, he'd die several thousand deaths every night.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:38 (thirteen years ago)
The phrase "owned" seems apt
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:39 (thirteen years ago)
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/320371_4453797060656_2025129293_n.jpg
― there is no dana, only (goole), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:39 (thirteen years ago)
At his next public appearance hecklers should just keep asking Mitt if he needs some binders
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:43 (thirteen years ago)
Get out of my dreams. Get into my binder.
― 5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:43 (thirteen years ago)
"governor I can hook you up with more binders if you're in need"
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:44 (thirteen years ago)
THAT BLACK BINDER YOU TOOK IS PERMANENTLY DIVERSIFIED, COUSIN WHY
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:45 (thirteen years ago)
i'm loving the group behind O'Donnell right now on MSNBC. So funny
― Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:46 (thirteen years ago)
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/3611_10102169226314939_992698301_n.jpg
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:48 (thirteen years ago)
"i don't think anyone wants to be one of a hundred colors in a box women in a binder."
― i've hidden a white teen on Crimedoer Mountain (reddening), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:50 (thirteen years ago)
'I went to a number of women's groups and said, "Can you help us find folks," and they brought us whole binders full of women.'
what's funny is that, taken out of context, it's the sort of language that sounds like something george costanza would say
whole binders!!!!
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:53 (thirteen years ago)
Binder tumblr is en fuego
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:54 (thirteen years ago)
https://twitter.com/rilaws/status/258412480848605184
@rilawsThe undecided voters that Fox has collected is just the cast of Dogville.
― Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:54 (thirteen years ago)
binders thing = really not that funny, settle down guys
― michael bolton's reckless daughter (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:55 (thirteen years ago)
ive got bonders full of settle down guys
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:57 (thirteen years ago)
Yeah, if there's one thing undecided voters can't stand, it's enthusiasm.
― Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:57 (thirteen years ago)
still stuck on two-parent homes will stop gun crime tbh
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:58 (thirteen years ago)
binders fb page is up to 150k
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:58 (thirteen years ago)
guys stop laughing about the binders guys
― da croupier, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:58 (thirteen years ago)
It's not just funny, it's also painfully awkward and indicative of Romney's inability to really interact with normal, average people. It's an unfortunate phrase uttered before millions of people by a guy whose party doesn't care much about women
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:59 (thirteen years ago)
15 min alarm dangerously close to 15 irl minutes for the binder!yikesbut yeah, marriage will solve our problems is a real head scratcher. where did that line come from? whose idea was that?
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 03:59 (thirteen years ago)
when life gives you lemons, ask life for a binder full of women
― da croupier, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:00 (thirteen years ago)
Also, you know, calling for a bunch of folders instead of knowing who the qualified women are.
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:00 (thirteen years ago)
https://twitter.com/JeffGreenspan/status/258415577100582912
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:00 (thirteen years ago)
― Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:59 PM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yep. then right after he said he understands abt how women need to get home and cook dinner so vote for him
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:00 (thirteen years ago)
So I have been watching the dumb CNN poll and just realized that their sample group is 33% democrat, 33% republican, which they keep mentioning is 8% more republican than other CNN poll but is more importantly giving 40% to a disproportionate tiny segment of the electorate so basically fuck the CNN poll results, even when they agree with me.
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:01 (thirteen years ago)
http://blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/talkingpolitics/archive/2012/10/16/mind-the-binder.aspx
apparently relevant when the site is no longer crashed
but yeah, marriage will solve our problems is a real head scratcher. where did that line come from? whose idea was that?
He had no other way to insert a culture war/abstinence shout-out into the show tonight, so he stuck it in by the end.
And/or he believes it too.
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:01 (thirteen years ago)
was gonna say those were binders of *qualified women*, people he knew existed elsewhere and were probably on their way home to make dinner for their families.
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:01 (thirteen years ago)
by improving the economy, i will give other top honchos the time do fun shit like chasing down qualified women
― da croupier, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:01 (thirteen years ago)
Statistics, how do they work?!
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:02 (thirteen years ago)
ya those cnn snap poll have been shown to be garbage repeatedly
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:04 (thirteen years ago)
Final debate's foreign policy, isn't it? In Florida?
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:04 (thirteen years ago)
good luck china
― estela, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:05 (thirteen years ago)
till stuck on two-parent homes will stop gun crime tbh― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:58 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:58 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
sad and transparent to the NRA/fundy contingent, but which will not resonate w/ ANYONE else b/c it is just the worst, dumbest, lamest shit.
― suggest butt (Pillbox), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:05 (thirteen years ago)
from that phoenix link:
"What actually happened was that in 2002 -- prior to the election, not even knowing yet whether it would be a Republican or Democratic administration -- a bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government. There were more than 40 organizations involved with the Massachusetts Women's Political Caucus (also bipartisan) as the lead sponsor.They did the research and put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions. They presented this binder to Governor Romney when he was elected.I have written about this before, in various contexts; tonight I've checked with several people directly involved in the MassGAP effort who confirm that this history as I've just presented it is correct -- and that Romney's claim tonight, that he asked for such a study, is false...Secondly, a UMass-Boston study found that the percentage of senior-level appointed positions held by women actually declined throughout the Romney administration, from 30.0% prior to his taking office, to 29.7% in July 2004, to 27.6% near the end of his term in November 2006. (It then began rapidly rising when Deval Patrick took office.)Third, note that in Romney's story as he tells it, this man who had led and consulted for businesses for 25 years didn't know any qualified women, or know where to find any qualified women. So what does that say?"
They did the research and put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions. They presented this binder to Governor Romney when he was elected.
I have written about this before, in various contexts; tonight I've checked with several people directly involved in the MassGAP effort who confirm that this history as I've just presented it is correct -- and that Romney's claim tonight, that he asked for such a study, is false...
Secondly, a UMass-Boston study found that the percentage of senior-level appointed positions held by women actually declined throughout the Romney administration, from 30.0% prior to his taking office, to 29.7% in July 2004, to 27.6% near the end of his term in November 2006. (It then began rapidly rising when Deval Patrick took office.)
Third, note that in Romney's story as he tells it, this man who had led and consulted for businesses for 25 years didn't know any qualified women, or know where to find any qualified women. So what does that say?"
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:05 (thirteen years ago)
Another q about the marriage comment:
does anyone have any reason to believe one way or the other that it was that a group-made party decision to insert it wherever possible in the debate or if it was something he did on his own? sorry for the convoluted nature of this question, but it just sounds so o_O to me that i am curious where it came from. (not that i am ignorant about right wing talking points, just that i didn't realize they were so close to the surface.)
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:06 (thirteen years ago)
*sad & transparent pandering
xxp
― suggest butt (Pillbox), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:06 (thirteen years ago)
This is the post debate poll which they keep telling me is scientific. Other than, say, fucking sample group.
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:06 (thirteen years ago)
Has somebody shopped a Lisa Frank binder onto pointing Mittens yet? http://tinyurl.com/9nkx7o2
― Theodora Celery, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:07 (thirteen years ago)
but whoa about that misattribution of intent up there the nerve of this guy!
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:07 (thirteen years ago)
Here's what I loved, not sure if it was generally a planned tactic or improvised:
Obama indulges Romney's sense of entitlement in the debate by giving him eye contact and answering his questions. Then comes the moment when Las Vegas turns into Rose Garden, and Obama locks eyes on the moderator, speaks to her only, and freezes out Romney. Fucking golden debate moment.
― pretty even gender split (Eazy), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:07 (thirteen years ago)
Obama half saying that Romney is worse than Bush just might be true. I didn't really think this until tonight and heard the China bashing and unrelated idea he pieced together. Did Bush say things as weird as Romney did in the debates?
― JacobSanders, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:08 (thirteen years ago)
I mean hey, what do I know, it's not like I ever studied survey methodology oh wait yeah I did that for a year in a philosophy of science concentration.
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:08 (thirteen years ago)
there is seriously not a line he said tonight that he believes more
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:10 (thirteen years ago)
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, October 17, 2012 12:07 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
srsly, someone just gave him a binder full of women
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:10 (thirteen years ago)
I've seen two polls (probably posted somewhere above): 37-30 Obama on CBS, 46-39 Obama on CNN. That's good, but again, I don't think that's enough to immediately knock back Romney--that's pretty close. But I can certainly see where it'll break the doom and gloom on Obama's side, and also set him up for the third debate.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:11 (thirteen years ago)
matthews and fineman on msnbc right now talking about romney's comments on women and how romney was disrespectful to crowley
they both repeatedly interrupt the woman on the panel right there with them who cannot finish a sentence
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:11 (thirteen years ago)
i have no doubt romney believes stronger families could cure a whole host of social ills, and w/out talking about the ways we differ on what those families look like, i don't disagree w/ him
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:11 (thirteen years ago)
err I meant to paste this too'but yeah, marriage will solve our problems is a real head scratcher. where did that line come from? whose idea was that?'
xp
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:11 (thirteen years ago)
he genuinely believes that if everyone just got married, we would have a better country? i would also like to note that i thought it was weird how they kept using the words mother and woman almost interchangably
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:13 (thirteen years ago)
if i'm not mistaken, they both did it at least once
yes he genuinely believes that!
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:14 (thirteen years ago)
of course he believes it. he's a mormon! look at his family!
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:14 (thirteen years ago)
I think we've been hearing shout-outs and dog whistles and hot-button issue references all night(china currency, 1979, planned parenthood), but usually candidates are FAR better at working them into the patter.
Mitt, however, doesn't nec believe any of this shit, but when you need to do anything possible to get your conservative religious base( which hates the other guy but isn't nec all that keen on Mormons) riled up enough to actually make it to the polls to vote, you have to signal as loud and as simplisticly as possible to communicate the "hey! i'm just like you!" to your audience. This sentence could have been written far better, but you get the idea.
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:14 (thirteen years ago)
did he specify hetrosexual marriage?
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:15 (thirteen years ago)
... to just one person?
mitt believes in marriage more than the crazy religious base believes in marriage!
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:15 (thirteen years ago)
well, alright. i guess i kinda thought his critical thinking skills were a little more finely developed, but apparently not.
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:16 (thirteen years ago)
kingfish otm
― suggest butt (Pillbox), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:16 (thirteen years ago)
not sure why i gave him credit for that. i guess because he made it this far?
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:17 (thirteen years ago)
i don't think it's so crazy to believe marriage is great but maybe that's a topic for a different thread
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:18 (thirteen years ago)
you can have high critical thinking skills in some things and still belong to a crazy cult
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:18 (thirteen years ago)
that's definitely true
ken jennings, for example, belongs to the same crazy cult
ugh this whole thing is disgusting. thanks for clearing that up for me, sorry if i sounded dense. lol binders
also believing marriage is great is different than "marriage will solve our country's problems" right?
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:19 (thirteen years ago)
Did Bush say things as weird as Romney did in the debates?
not as angular, but they were occasionally forced. If you find the 2004 debate threads, we commented on some of them as they happened. dubya mentioning dred scott, speaking hurriedly over the moderator at the end of the debates to get in a line reaffirming God as etc etc etc
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:19 (thirteen years ago)
yeah but mormons belief in marriage is a little creepier and crazier than the normal xtian belief in marriage also they have the lowest divorce rates iirc
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:20 (thirteen years ago)
I think Mitt believes it, that changing the culture will make violence less prevalent, hence no need to restrict guns. I don't think he brought that out as meat, there was just no way to put that into the answer to the question that didn't sound completely irrelevant and bizarre
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:20 (thirteen years ago)
you can have high critical thinking skills in some things and still belong to a crazy cultalso true
i need to remember this
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:20 (thirteen years ago)
i don't remember how forcibly he stated it but would you call someone crazy who said that stable marriages can create healthier households that might mitigate certain social ills? w/out any assumption of policy or what those families + marriages looked like behind it? i think he's wrong on the details but right on the general theory.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:21 (thirteen years ago)
i guess if you really felt rising divorce rate in america was positive trend you might feel like marriage is a bad institution that increases social ills.
I basically do
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:22 (thirteen years ago)
Intelligence is no block for believing batshittery; logic and reason can't dislodge a belief acquired thru non-rational means.
smart people can believe weird things, in other words; they're just better at rationalizing them, b/c, of course, they're smart.
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:22 (thirteen years ago)
i understand that position exists iatee (obv i disagree w/ it) but the other side isn't CRAZY. i think a lot of ppl probably agree w/ it? probably great majority of this country i'd imagine
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:22 (thirteen years ago)
not that great majority of united states doesn't hold crazy views occasionally UM belief in angels lol
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:23 (thirteen years ago)
(occasionally = frequently i'm sure)
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:24 (thirteen years ago)
most people believe in god iirc, p crazy
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:24 (thirteen years ago)
Note: Romney is foregrounding his morality here, that premarital sex is either the cause of or symptomatic of some cultural evil that allows for nutters with access to AKs to open fire.
It's easily disproven, quite wrong, and thick-headedly simplistic, but this is honestly what the majority of what's left of the GOP believe.
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:24 (thirteen years ago)
we can fight gun violence by teaching abstinence education in more schools -> obv not an idea i agree with on any level
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:26 (thirteen years ago)
pretty sure i can find extensive obama reel where he talks about strengthening american marriages + families
from whitehouse.gov
President Obama was raised by a single parent and knows the difficulties that young people face when their fathers are absent. He is committed to responsible fatherhood, by supporting fathers who stand by their families and encouraging young men to work towards good jobs in promising career pathways.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:27 (thirteen years ago)
Can't wait for the Meese-inspired Romney Report on Culture!
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:28 (thirteen years ago)
I don't think he brought that out as meat, there was just no way to put that into the answer to the question that didn't sound completely irrelevant and bizarre
yeah, pretty much this. there was no way to properly socket it in, so he tried jamming it like a bubble-wrapped parcel into a mail slot.
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:28 (thirteen years ago)
imho healthy marriages are good for society and the people in them, but the things the government could realistically do to help people have healthy marriages would also help people not in healthy marriages, so its not really meaningful to talk abt it in terms of marriage
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:29 (thirteen years ago)
real shocker for me = Romney actually suggested tariffs
― michael bolton's reckless daughter (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:29 (thirteen years ago)
ok hell of xposts at this point but
feel like the marriage thing was either
a) heartfelt belief and an honest response ("gun violence is because society is in the gutter so marriage")b) a desperate attempt to shoehorn a talking point to feed the basec) romney thinkin on his feet in response to an issue he did not expect to come up
i'm inclined to think a lil of (b) and (c), not much (a). i'm sure he believes that a more traditional family or w/e would help solve some ~issues~, but he really doesn't strike me as much of a moralist (srsly), at least not one with any deeply invested personal feelings about gay marriage or what have you (and yeah yeah prop 8). i guess i still see the "rich patrician" style of politico as being p willing to be flexible on "social issues," sub rosa and under specific circumstances, just so long as the machine stays well-oiled. i mean this is his whole thing, right? pretty consistent on his policies of being and staying very wealthy, whole-heartedly invested in the idea of the free market, and willing to compromise on stuff as long as he stays popular.
i know nothing about this, but: have ex-governor candidates typically been more moderate as governors than as presidential candidates (or presidents), historically?
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:30 (thirteen years ago)
i'm open to the possibility of legislation that might help healthy marriages, not necessarily help ppl not in marriages, that would be net good for america. but other than that i broadly agree. i'm certainly not rushing to support policy to support marriages tho - this was a debacle: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/06/gops-dead-end-marriage-program
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:31 (thirteen years ago)
I think scandinavia provides a better model, where nobody is married and people have orgies all the time, and then the government gives your single mother money
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:31 (thirteen years ago)
xp - totally. but i still believe it is a strange bedfellow to a question about assault rifles.
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:31 (thirteen years ago)
Jesus man no offense to the undecided voters on ilx, although congratulations for figuring out how to turn your computer and I hope you thank whatever decided voter helped you with that, but holy shit these undecided voters on every fucking channel are dumb as fucking dirt.
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:32 (thirteen years ago)
for instance this seems pretty reasonable at a glance?
http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2009/11/05-marriage-haskins
Higher marriage rates among the poor would benefit poor adults themselves, their children, and the nation. Although I do not support coercive policies to achieve higher marriage rates, I do favor marriage promotion programs conducted by community-based organizations such as churches and other nonprofit civic groups. The activities these groups should sponsor include counseling, marriage education, job assistance, parenting, anger control, avoiding domestic violence, and money management.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:33 (thirteen years ago)
I think it came up because he was in a really tight spot in that question rather than because he genuinely believes that marriage will get rid of automatic weapons, he does however think that marriage is the best thing ever
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:33 (thirteen years ago)
gbx - really feel like you need to factor the mormon thing in there somewhere, romney is not joking abt that shit
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:33 (thirteen years ago)
does ilx have any undecided voters? that's a poll thread i'd like to see.
xp yeah I hate how the media glorifies undecided voters instead of properly framing them as literally the stupidest people in the entire country
you guys can keep on this if you'd like but this is my final comment so as not to belabor this further: why frame everything through the prism of marriage? it's just weird. marriage is so private and personal. I'm not saving myself from being a ward of the state because I'm married...or am I?
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:34 (thirteen years ago)
What's weird about that Solving Gun Violence With Marriage thing was it was a good opportunity for Mitt to go the NRA route about how O is going to take away your guns. Not that it's the least bit true, but it's a standard right wing fear and it's odd that he would pass up the opportunity to play off it.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:34 (thirteen years ago)
Man this msnbc panel is like watching water try to learn how to think
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:34 (thirteen years ago)
you also do not wear magic underwear xp
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:35 (thirteen years ago)
eh, as much as I intuitively think marriage is probably good for society, I think (1) it's probably pretty hard to prove that the benefits come from the mere fact of marriage as opposed to just being correlated with people who are actually willing to put in the work it takes to make a successful marriage and (2) I'm really skeptical of the government's ability to do anything about it without doing more harm than good
― michael bolton's reckless daughter (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:35 (thirteen years ago)
to clarify a bit: i believe that romney is a gung-ho supporter of traditional marriage (and the attending social structures), but i don't think he thinks of it first as a cure-all for society's ills. he really doesn't strike me as the type that would trot out the moral decline of america as the reason for its socioeconomic problems, seems pretty low on his to-do list
xp i did factor the mormon thing, and don't really want to generalize. that being said: the actual mormons i have met probably wouldn't bring up Marriage As A Cure-All and jesus all these ABORTIONS and HOMOS around ppl discussing the issues of the day because that would be g-d rude. this is not true of, uh, other people I have met.
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:35 (thirteen years ago)
Ha i was referring to the msnbc panel of undecided voters, but well
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:35 (thirteen years ago)
anti domestic violence programs def reduce gun violence and are def a net good. i don't know if you wouldn't consider that a strengthening marriage program...
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:36 (thirteen years ago)
I for one know that my marriage has been strengthened via gun violence
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:37 (thirteen years ago)
Solving social ills through creating a culture that's less likely to give rise to them makes some sense ('broken windows' policy in NYC), even if it's not legislatable (the inverse of how the GOP insists markets shouldn't be regulated).
Problem here is Mitt's positions on social issues don't poll well except with a very vocal minority. He can't actually say to the woman asking about immigration 'I advise you head back'. So he ends up sounding incomprehensible half the time. In a town hall you see that weakness - the inability to address the concerns of real people in a way that makes sense to them. The next debate he'll do much better, and his gotchas will be better prepared.
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:37 (thirteen years ago)
Sometimes this is how i feel about people that call themselves agnostic.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:38 (thirteen years ago)
i'm not sure what gotchas he could better prepare. i think tnite demonstrated that libya + fast and furious aren't debate winners.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:38 (thirteen years ago)
you guys he was being asked about how he was gonna get rid of guns, he is against getting rid of guns, there is literally nothing he could say
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:38 (thirteen years ago)
mordy - Helps if you read a transcript beforehand for instance. He'll do better next time with that stuff I'm sure
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:40 (thirteen years ago)
Man srsly I can't be the only dude that read single mothers create gun violence as a fucking clear racist dog whistle right?
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:40 (thirteen years ago)
holy shit these undecided voters on every fucking channel are dumb as fucking dirt.
people are busy living their lives and shit, look at the main and easiest way we have to be informed about politics in this country? fucking cable news or the top of the hour headlines or some half-remembered thing you heard at work
also, there are 330+ million people in the USA now, so with even one person in 500 being clueless, that's a lot of fucking clueless people.
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:40 (thirteen years ago)
It's basically a testament to how gun-friendly Obama's admin has been, that he can't just default to "the last 4 years have been horrible for gun owners" like he did on just about ever other issue.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:40 (thirteen years ago)
i think the problem w/ libya is that the case (tho i'll admit partially legitimate) is hard to make. obama did call it terror in the day after the attack, and even if on other occasions the administration suggested it might not be terror, compared to obama's super robust anti terrorism program and the nuance it takes to make the argument in the first place, it's not a winner.
re fast + furious, romney said over and over "we don't even understand what happened" which is really the problem. it's hard to attack w/ ambiguity.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:42 (thirteen years ago)
'how many of those movies are there anyway, one of them is in japan, i dont understand'
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:44 (thirteen years ago)
libya argument boils down to 'obama is soft on terror.' i don't think republicans can win that argument against obama.
the guy has bin ladin's head mounted above his giant hunting chair in the white house dining room
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:45 (thirteen years ago)
I think the libya thing is similar to solyndra in that it plays to the base but requires too much outside information for most people to even know wtf is going on
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:46 (thirteen years ago)
i've missed a couple turns in the thread here, but the 'marriage solves violence' idea is basically that it's fatherless kids doing all the shooting
i would add that if mitt is serious about the quote-unquote underclass getting hitched he better be prepared to let a whole lot of dudes out of prison
― there is no dana, only (goole), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:47 (thirteen years ago)
i think potentially libya could've been a winner. an ambassador killed is not nothing. but not against this president and not the way they're trying to prosecute it.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:47 (thirteen years ago)
goole otm ending war on drugs number one government policy that could help marriage in america
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:48 (thirteen years ago)
otm x100000000000000
the thing abt libya is up til tonight the obama admin had been looking awful guilty abt it, bidens answer was terrible, but obama put it to bed
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:48 (thirteen years ago)
it's also an argument (libya) that seems really nitpicky when you look at it. obama wasn't prepared for benghazi attack? he didn't have all the facts in the immediate aftermath? uh, 9/11, anyone?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:50 (thirteen years ago)
b/c when they saw "marriage", it's a term like "freedom"; a widely contested term that means very specific things to these folks. "Marriage" means "post-war nuclear patriarchal family, where the Man is in charge".
"marriage" = "Biblical marriage" = God set this stuff up and so it's right and correct and to question it is to question God which is evil.
also because marriage structures families and families is how most we first begin to experience and learn about society/people/heirarchy/rules/authority/etc.
The way conservative americans view american society is that marriage handed to us by God sets up everything, and we are always on the precipice of falling into immorality and evil and whatever because of an infantilized view of human nature. That's why you get these assholes going on about how the End of World is near because we allow gay folks to open a joint checking account. If this one central rule that obviously God set up is broken, all things will be allowed and society will crash and etc etc etc.
I can write another 2000 words explaining this stuff but the easiest thing to do is to link you to stuff that George Lakoff or Chris Mooney or Jeffrey Feldman has written.
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:50 (thirteen years ago)
Man srsly I can't be the only dude that read single mothers create gun violence as a fucking clear racist dog whistle right? --costly pussy riot (jjjusten)
Nope.
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:51 (thirteen years ago)
Oh yeah, and several years ago I did a thread full of my wall-o-text about this stuff:
Conceptual Metaphors, Progressive Values, and Reframing in America: the Work of George Lakoff
which is heavy on the blockquote
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:52 (thirteen years ago)
I don't think that was the primary thrust of the mention, but as a secondary association? sure.
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:53 (thirteen years ago)
I want to high five all y'all abt Libya thx to this debate, but we still have to suffer through next weeks foreign policy debate.
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:53 (thirteen years ago)
I mean my hope is that Obama spends a bunch of time on "hey asshole, maybe don't rattle sabers at china you dumb douche" but I am not optimistic.
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:55 (thirteen years ago)
Notice that he coupled the "getting married" bit with the "have sex with" part. I think he was far more invoking the obsession these guys have that all pre-marital sex is evil, which is almost to but not fully embracing the KLo extreme that all non-procreative sex is evil
so the quote was far more about sex than marriage.
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:57 (thirteen years ago)
I think it's always worth assuming that goptalkingpointx is really just race baiting, but in this case you really do have to remember how genuinely crazy mormons are
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:58 (thirteen years ago)
except for ken jennings, who is cool
I love George Lakoff!! Read Women, Fire, and Dangerous Things in lol college and was a fan 4 lyfe. Linguists know the value/power of carefully chosen words.
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:59 (thirteen years ago)
Hahaha
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:59 (thirteen years ago)
Yeah, the libya and china shit next week is gunna SUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
Actually, something tells me that the Karl Rove and NRO times won't continually reference "Libya", they'll ref "Benghazi."
"Libya" was the place that had a civil war and offed the Qaddafi dude and is better than it was
"Benghazi" is the site of the embassy attack and talking point
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 04:59 (thirteen years ago)
That was an xpost byw
― costly pussy riot (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 05:00 (thirteen years ago)
i hope obama turns benghazi question into broader discussion of libya; the threatened massacre on benghazi he prevented, the vast protests against terror done by libyan population, etc
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 05:00 (thirteen years ago)
Linguists know the value/power of carefully chosen words.
Seriously, read his "Moral Politics" and just-published "Little Blue Book". They go a LONG way to explaining wtf the weird shit rightwingers talk about.
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 05:00 (thirteen years ago)
romney will not have a thing to discuss about libya beyond consulate attack
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 05:01 (thirteen years ago)
it's kinda surprising that he agreed to a foreign policy debate to begin w/
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 05:02 (thirteen years ago)
I think reading that might give me a heart attack, but I guess I'm overdue
Also I have enjoyed seeing former students react to this. Whoever said ending the war on drugs, otm. So many awful stories and family members etc.
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 05:02 (thirteen years ago)
unfortunately i think we're still at least a couple presidential cycles away from talking about ending any part of the war on drugs in either party :(
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 05:03 (thirteen years ago)
― there is no dana, only (goole), Wednesday, October 17, 2012 12:47 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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You're also going to need to find all those men jobs -- pretty hard to make a family work without that component
― michael bolton's reckless daughter (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 05:04 (thirteen years ago)
Tomorrow I expect a thorough discussion of the usage of "gangbangers". In a presidential debate? Has that happened before in that context?
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 05:05 (thirteen years ago)
oh shit, i just remembered that Romney upped his Alpha Dawg aggro schtick tonight. You thikn he'll be pissed off enough next week to do it even more?
I'm guessing that odds are he'll be encouraged from the get-go to try to steam over everyone instead of listening to any suggestions that he try tranqing himself before the show.
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 05:09 (thirteen years ago)
this has been a banner year for new expansive debate words: "malarkey", "gangbangers", "Big Bird"
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 05:10 (thirteen years ago)
there's a morality issue to ending war on drugs too which is that it's a moral abomination to treat humans the way we do in prison industrial complex
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 05:11 (thirteen years ago)
oh man just went back to cable news, they got pataki on this shit, lol
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 05:12 (thirteen years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/6uY92.jpg
― pplains, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 05:15 (thirteen years ago)
*applause*
― there is no dana, only (goole), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 05:19 (thirteen years ago)
lollll
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 05:21 (thirteen years ago)
I am amused by the deliberately selected facial expression here:
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/269816_10151278467510259_873545029_n.jpg
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 05:47 (thirteen years ago)
Full transcript
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 05:51 (thirteen years ago)
Did anyone else hear the moderator say "yeah, right" while Obama was responding to the AK47 question with bullshit about schools?
― abanana, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 05:58 (thirteen years ago)
i don't remember how forcibly he stated it but would you call someone crazy who said that stable marriages can create healthier households that might mitigate certain social ills? w/out any assumption of policy or what those families + marriages looked like behind it? i think he's wrong on the details but right on the general theory.― Mordy, Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:21 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinki guess if you really felt rising divorce rate in america was positive trend you might feel like marriage is a bad institution that increases social ills.― Mordy, Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:21 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkI basically do― iatee, Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:22 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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this is so insane. i think anyone should be able to get married or divorced at their whim, or choose not to get married in the 1st place, but kids growing up in a stable family with 2 loving parents (biological or not) is a good thing.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 06:59 (thirteen years ago)
too many people in a family unit might necessitate a move to the suburbs, so iatee is naturally against the notion
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 07:02 (thirteen years ago)
everyone should be an unsympathetic know-it-all city dweller in their early 20s, world would be awesome, it's true
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 07:08 (thirteen years ago)
single mother/guns answer made me think of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect
― wk, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 07:24 (thirteen years ago)
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/10/17/1350449799137/Mitt-Romney-and-Barack-Ob-008.jpg
― Stravinsky joins the Zulu nation (zero of the signified), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 07:28 (thirteen years ago)
this binder of women thing is taking my fb feed by storm
― pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 08:04 (thirteen years ago)
Has this been posted yet? http://blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/talkingpolitics/archive/2012/10/16/mind-the-binder.aspxv
Hey, I know about that binder! And guess what -- Mitt Romney was lying about it. ...
What actually happened was that in 2002 -- prior to the election, not even knowing yet whether it would be a Republican or Democratic administration -- a bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government. There were more than 40 organizations involved with the Massachusetts Women's Political Caucus (also bipartisan) as the lead sponsor.
I have written about this before, in various contexts; tonight I've checked with several people directly involved in the MassGAP effort who confirm that this history as I've just presented it is correct -- and that Romney's claim tonight, that he asked for such a study, is false.
― Roz, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 08:08 (thirteen years ago)
MR: "...and the elephant said 'how are you going to pick up anything with that?' HAHAHA"BO: "I do not wish to know that, kindly leave the theatre..."
― a great poke for Jet Set Willy (snoball), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 08:10 (thirteen years ago)
I loved how Obama was like a patient, stealthy Tom cat all night, with Romney flailing around crazily like a freed, hairbraned tweety bird
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 11:27 (thirteen years ago)
how much of the China bashing was over climate change? #alternateuniverse
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 11:30 (thirteen years ago)
Good sign that the right-wing radio station out of Buffalo was complaining that Crowley "took sides with the president" on Libya--as if taking sides is equivalent to saying, "That's true, you did say that" (and being correct). Their professor-guy who holds court on these debates said the two things that will come out of last night are Obama's "That's offensive" indignation over Libya (I'm still nervous about that one--we'll see where that goes) and getting to bring up the 47% in his final answer without Romney having a chance to say a word in response (completely agree there--as I posted right after the debate, that was a gift).
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 11:45 (thirteen years ago)
"proceed, governor"
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 12:19 (thirteen years ago)
So it looks like already the "highlights" are boiling down to the binders, the transcript-check, the "pension" byplay...and oddly, for me, not Obama's remarks very early on about corporate raiders saddling companies with debt and leaving with a profit etc etc. Really didn't see that coming, I know it wasn't a thrill-packed moment but thought it was really where Obama first indicated the gloves were off.
Just re-watched the binder thing on CNN where they have their useless one-dimensional "LIKE DON'T LIKE" tracker thing at the bottom. Was stunned at how apparently the women in their sample seemed to like the whole rambling story about Romney's quixotic, valiant quest to find qualified women. Every woman in the bar I was at was groaning. (Seriously, though, that tracker is so awful, first of all it's distracting but also there's no way to tell if they LIKE the candidate or LIKE the thing the candidate is talking about...)
Overall that was worth watching and not half as demoralizing as the last one, but Obama missed some good opportunities to really open it up as a blowout. Definitely avoided the audience questions a few too many times. I guess the problem with the format is that your main concern is delivering your overall message to viewers, and you want to make sure your stump speech talking points don't get left behind. Bleah.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 12:40 (thirteen years ago)
I've stopped watching on CNN--the tracker drives me up the wall. Truthfully, the binder thing just sounded like clutzy-Romney "I love the trees" stuff to me. Everyone's laughing, but I'm not sure if it'll last past a day or two.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 12:50 (thirteen years ago)
That the binder story is untrue makes it different to me, hope that has legs.
Otoh Mich trees are pretty much the right height, and I'm not even from there.
― diatribe soundsystem (is playing at my house) (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 12:55 (thirteen years ago)
― abanana, Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:58 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I did! What was that all about? I wish she was responding to O for going there but maybe she was talking to the producer and left mike on?
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:00 (thirteen years ago)
yeah she was probably just hearing something in her ear
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:13 (thirteen years ago)
Has anyone bought any binders yet?
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:15 (thirteen years ago)
oddly, for me, not Obama's remarks very early on about corporate raiders saddling companies with debt and leaving with a profit etc etc.
I agree that it was a great moment but the press has never cared about this stuff before, I don't see them starting now
In the first debate the press was RAVENOUS for ANY STORY whatsoever, anything that they could hang a headline on after months of basically the same old story, and the only real story that would work dramatically was going to be Mitt staging a comeback. Any tiny detail that would support that story would be pounced upon and magnified. My guess is that Obama's campaign's strategy to counter this was "be boring", "don't give the press anything to work with" but uh.. they kind of went overboard with that. Now that the press finally has the twist they want, any subsequent debate (like this one) will not have much of an impact imo
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:20 (thirteen years ago)
Also: anybody get the sense that Romney's advisors prepared him for the probability that the president would (desperately, in their minds) use the 47 percent remark early? I've not of those believers in Obama's Zen Magic but I did suspect he held fire until the right moment...which was right at the end, in his concluding remarks, responding to Romney's "100 percent" line.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:21 (thirteen years ago)
yeah that was kind of a cheap shot by O
― frogbs, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:28 (thirteen years ago)
at that point Obama had to talk about the 47 percent, don't think it had anything to do with Zen Magic and everything to do with Mittens being an idiot for bringing it up.
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:28 (thirteen years ago)
It wasn't a cheap shot: it was well-timed.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:29 (thirteen years ago)
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:31 (thirteen years ago)
ha, i see this is making the rounds:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc0vvj5VAN1rj8amio1_500.jpg
― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:31 (thirteen years ago)
always a cheap shot to articulately use someone's offensive words against them. XP
― Clay, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:31 (thirteen years ago)
It's not cheap - you're just throwing them in a hole they dug with their own shovel.
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:34 (thirteen years ago)
Completely fair, and Romney walked right into it. I think Obama would have brought up 47% anyway, it was his last chance to get it in, but Romney set him up in a way that bringing it up didn't seem self-serving--Obama's final answer built upon what Romney had said.
I showed my class the Libya exchange this morning--two of them started clapping!
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:36 (thirteen years ago)
This FOX-created storm-in-a-bottle over Libya is a classic example of conservatives undermining their purported interest in common sense. Why Krauthammer Can't Read.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:44 (thirteen years ago)
Dang , Lacey, you fast.
― pplains, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:49 (thirteen years ago)
The Boston Phoenix fact checks the binder:
What actually happened was that in 2002 -- prior to the election, not even knowing yet whether it would be a Republican or Democratic administration -- a bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government. There were more than 40 organizations involved with the Massachusetts Women's Political Caucus (also bipartisan) as the lead sponsor.They did the research and put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions. They presented this binder to Governor Romney when he was elected.I have written about this before, in various contexts; tonight I've checked with several people directly involved in the MassGAP effort who confirm that this history as I've just presented it is correct -- and that Romney's claim tonight, that he asked for such a study, is false.I will write more about this later, but for tonight let me just make a few quick additional points. First of all, according to MassGAP and MWPC, Romney did appoint 14 women out of his first 33 senior-level appointments, which is a reasonably impressive 42 percent. However, as I have reported before, those were almost all to head departments and agencies that he didn't care about -- and in some cases, that he quite specifically wanted to not really do anything. None of the senior positions Romney cared about -- budget, business development, etc. -- went to women.Secondly, a UMass-Boston study found that the percentage of senior-level appointed positions held by women actually declined throughout the Romney administration, from 30.0% prior to his taking office, to 29.7% in July 2004, to 27.6% near the end of his term in November 2006. (It then began rapidly rising when Deval Patrick took office.)Third, note that in Romney's story as he tells it, this man who had led and consulted for businesses for 25 years didn't know any qualified women, or know where to find any qualified women. So what does that say?
I will write more about this later, but for tonight let me just make a few quick additional points. First of all, according to MassGAP and MWPC, Romney did appoint 14 women out of his first 33 senior-level appointments, which is a reasonably impressive 42 percent. However, as I have reported before, those were almost all to head departments and agencies that he didn't care about -- and in some cases, that he quite specifically wanted to not really do anything. None of the senior positions Romney cared about -- budget, business development, etc. -- went to women.
Third, note that in Romney's story as he tells it, this man who had led and consulted for businesses for 25 years didn't know any qualified women, or know where to find any qualified women. So what does that say?
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:51 (thirteen years ago)
― clemenza, Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:50 AM Bookmark
I didn't watch any of the post-debate chitchat (someone changed the bar TV to a baseball game) but to me the binders thing really was less about "binders of women" being funny, less about Romney being klutzy, and more about Romney having kind of old-fashioned, awkward, uncomfortable ideas about women in the workplace. He didn't seem reactionary but he seemed like someone's out-of-touch dad, who genuinely does like his female employees, Not Getting why making sure they have time to get home and start a roast for the kids isn't really what the woman in front of him is asking about. Surprised we haven't already seen editorials like "Romney's Women Problem" or "Does Mitt 'Get' Women?" etc.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:51 (thirteen years ago)
the libya thing isnt really 'landing' b/c the right wing wants it to be about obama being weak when really its "about" (if its "about" anything) a pretty pathetic response/"cover-up" by the state dept. its like they smell blood but they cant find the seal
― max, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:52 (thirteen years ago)
alternate possibility, he wanted to make clear that he had school supplies substantially outranking McCain and his proud ownership of "a pen"
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:52 (thirteen years ago)
As a young mother friend posted on FB yesterday: "Ok, Romney's answer to the pay equality question? This guy is stuck in 1950 and COMPLETELY misses the point! Women deserve equal pay, and families need flexible schedules, NOT this crap that women need to go home early to cook and companies should want to hire women. This guy is officially out of touch and clueless."
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:53 (thirteen years ago)
it's interesting that we still have a political party whose candidate has to spend 2+ minutes explaining why he doesn't hate 50% of the country
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:54 (thirteen years ago)
xxxxp It's not going to help him if he keeps saying things like "...if we're going to have women in the workfoce," that's for sure.
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:55 (thirteen years ago)
symmetry demanded it:
http://imageshack.us/a/img845/8668/12792528634660497530664.jpg
― C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:56 (thirteen years ago)
If you have to have women in the workforce(Such an awful boring chore)If you have to have women in the workforce('Stead of going to the store)If you have to have women in the workforceAnd you drop one on the floorMaybe they won't make youHire women anymore
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:57 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/10/17/town_hall_debate_rules_candy_crowley_barack_obama_mitt_romney_throw_rule.html
remember all the 'collusion' talk pre-debate? I wonder how many lawyer hours were involved crafting this thing that basically didn't matter.
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:57 (thirteen years ago)
lol @ doctor casino
― some dude, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:58 (thirteen years ago)
Omg casino that is amazing. My entire family recites that poem at holidays when "forced" to help wash up. Wonderful.
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:00 (thirteen years ago)
oh yeah, I totally get why Obama did what he did. i was imagining the debate as some WWE-style brawl, with the crowd going "WHAT?" after every pause. Obama mentioning the 47% remark knowing that Rommey wouldn't be able to respond was the moment where he holds out the mic and drops it, after which his theme music comes on
― frogbs, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:01 (thirteen years ago)
thank you, thank you ladies and gentlemen, my one-man after-hours comedy act HELL SILVERSTEIN will be performing next tuesday at a fictional open-mic
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:02 (thirteen years ago)
Just re-watched the binder thing on CNN where they have their useless one-dimensional "LIKE DON'T LIKE" tracker thing at the bottom. Was stunned at how apparently the women in their sample seemed to like the whole rambling story about Romney's quixotic, valiant quest to find qualified women. Every woman in the bar I was at was groaning.
Yeah, I noticed that, too! (I'd have preferred not to watch CNN, but I was at a bar full of nonprofit professionals (lol), who all groaned, too.)
― Sandy Denny Real Estate (jaymc), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:02 (thirteen years ago)
lat night the crowd only laughed for Obama
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:03 (thirteen years ago)
haha yeah it was filled w/ long island jewish women, it's really hard to believe that was a 'true undecided' crowd
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:04 (thirteen years ago)
I was at a bar full of nonprofit professionals
ok, so this is the setup, where's the punchline?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:08 (thirteen years ago)
Flashbacks to listening to WLIR/WDRE and all the shout-outs to Hofstra University students (which from the POV of the avg Sarah Lawrence student was not a ground zero of bright people, plus 'Naomi in Mineola wants Depeche Mode' *so shocked*').
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:12 (thirteen years ago)
watching the extended highlights now, mitt seems a bit desperate at times, rather than assured.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:12 (thirteen years ago)
Frum @ Mitt:
You seem convinced that the biggest worry people have about your tax plan is that you won't execute it - and so you double down when confronted with evidence that the math doesn't work. Wrong. The biggest worry people have about your plan is that you will execute it, and that the benefits will flow to a privileged few, while the bill is sent to them. They have good reason for that fear. Your commitment to hold constant the share of income tax paid by the top 5% (which starts at about $154,000 AGI) while cutting tax rates at the top is a formula for a big downward shift in the tax burden within the top 5%. Meanwhile, the 80% of American workers who pay more in payroll tax than income tax will see their tax burdens rise when the payroll tax holiday expires at the end of 2012.
DF's been hammering away at this point (in bold) for a while now. surprised it hasn't gotten more traction. (or has it?)
― it's smdh time in America (will), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:13 (thirteen years ago)
"Of course it works out" should be the most devastating line of the night, but it probably won't.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:17 (thirteen years ago)
yeah, but of course MOU's are essentially worthless. they're legally non-binding, feel-good documents. they make sense for lots of other situations, but for two power hungry people who will do anything it takes to win, i doubt they have any reservations about ignoring the "rules" they agreed to.
― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:20 (thirteen years ago)
i am a little surprised how not boring this debate was compared to the first one
― frogbs, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:21 (thirteen years ago)
yup xp
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:22 (thirteen years ago)
The first debate was only not-boring because I was sitting there yelling at Obama/screen for taking the Fall lyrics approach-UH to his responses.
Am I alone in thinking that O's putting a sock in the whole UHH tic he's got probably did half the heavy work of making him seem more assertive last night?
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:28 (thirteen years ago)
I find he still takes longer to make his points than Romney, and often doesn't get there till the last few seconds of a two-minute response, but I just put that down to Romney's glibness and Obama actually thinking through things.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:31 (thirteen years ago)
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 08:27 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it is real funny how different they are in terms of needing, to some degree, to be obtrusive so as to get their point across - it comes across so badly w/mitt, that he starts stuttering like a telephone salesman trying to keep you on the phone. obama was being pretty pushy w/the moderator, agitating for extra time, but he does it by talking until someone cuts him off and then grinning. it cracked me up that he'd ask for time to make one quick point & then still allow himself to pause for dramatic effect while continuing.
― *buffs lens* (schlump), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:32 (thirteen years ago)
"Lookin' forward to it!"
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:33 (thirteen years ago)
Totally superficial visual stuff, but which can be important anyway: the format of the debate, which called for the candidates to get up and roam the stage, benefited Obama, who has the poise and lightness on his feet of a pretty good pick-up basketball player. Mittens' stiffness (he has some kind of tendon problem or something?) was quite visible and made him seem older than he is.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:42 (thirteen years ago)
idk, he's pretty old
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:45 (thirteen years ago)
Re upthread comment that binders "request" was not factually true, I see that Boston Phoenix blog spelled it out:
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:46 (thirteen years ago)
I know someone's going to say "that's already been posted here", but hey: New readers aren't gonna read 1000+ messages on this thread, a bit of recap is good. This is the ILX rolling news counter service, right?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:48 (thirteen years ago)
Thanks
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:49 (thirteen years ago)
i agree with this more or less
http://www.attackerman.com/romney-libya/
there is a legit criticism of state/WH evasive 'evolution' on libya but romney didn't make it
― there is no dana, only (goole), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:50 (thirteen years ago)
Recap:
"proceed, governor"― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:19 AM
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:51 (thirteen years ago)
"What actually happened was that in 2002 -- prior to the election, not even knowing yet whether it would be a Republican or Democratic administration -- a bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government. There were more than 40 organizations involved with the Massachusetts Women's Political Caucus (also bipartisan) as the lead sponsor.They did the research and put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions. They presented this binder to Governor Romney when he was elected.
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:05 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Roz, Wednesday, October 17, 2012 3:08 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
What actually happened was that in 2002 -- prior to the election, not even knowing yet whether it would be a Republican or Democratic administration -- a bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government. There were more than 40 organizations involved with the Massachusetts Women's Political Caucus (also bipartisan) as the lead sponsor.They did the research and put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions. They presented this binder to Governor Romney when he was elected.
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:51 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:46 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― pplains, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:53 (thirteen years ago)
Just another recap.
has anyone made a "crazed lepidopterist" joke yet
― The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:54 (thirteen years ago)
proceed, moderator
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:56 (thirteen years ago)
― there is no dana, only (goole), Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:50 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah exactly. republicans are so weird! theyve got something legit on obama but then they get all confused b/c its not really about 'projecting strength' or 'standing up to terror'
― max, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:59 (thirteen years ago)
Hey, I think Obama debated Romney last night - - not sure if that got said upthread but people just joining would probably like to know.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 15:03 (thirteen years ago)
legit criticisms don't matter if they're not talking point friendly, is the thing
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 15:04 (thirteen years ago)
if a legit criticism falls in a forest but nobody understands it except people w/ a good background on the issue ie like 5% of the country
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 15:05 (thirteen years ago)
I dunno.. Mitt Romney. His name sounds like someone kick-starting a motorbike...
― Mark G, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 15:09 (thirteen years ago)
― max, Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:59 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ya not sure how much bite this has once obama says 'i take full responsibility and dont f w/my people or i kill u' but mitt kept trying to say the admin didnt call it terrorism when what he shouldve been saying is that they were calling it a spontaneous protest when really it was a planned attack, because that wouldve been true, instead he set himself up to get sonned
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 15:09 (thirteen years ago)
now i see thats what attackerman said, i unfollowed him for using the #27championshipsandcounting hashtag
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 15:11 (thirteen years ago)
275k followers for binders full of women fb BREAKING
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 15:26 (thirteen years ago)
the dreadful legacy of the "women in refrigerators" phenomenon
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 15:30 (thirteen years ago)
blinders full of recipes so you can get home and cook me dinner
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 15:32 (thirteen years ago)
lol gop comeback meme trending
Reince Priebus @ReincePresident Obama’s plan for a 2nd term is an #EmptyBinder – a President without a plan to turn his failed policies around.
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 15:36 (thirteen years ago)
binder full of women > empty binder
no chix in there even
http://imageshack.us/a/img254/6497/52279042160927553141450.jpg
― C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 15:39 (thirteen years ago)
^ i have a hard time laughing at that because that's basically the conservative solution to social problems.
― there is no dana, only (goole), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 15:44 (thirteen years ago)
funny cause true
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 15:48 (thirteen years ago)
So if i vote for Romney will he hook me up w a wife?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 15:55 (thirteen years ago)
if romney wins every women in america becomes his wife
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 15:56 (thirteen years ago)
I don't know why the obama campaign hasn't been pushing this talking point more...
mitt romney perusing dossiers, hand-selecting the most suitable women from the binder to be his helpmeets
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:09 (thirteen years ago)
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/jeremy-epstein-joined-twitter-after-debate.html
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:15 (thirteen years ago)
of all the shit ppl latch onto from Mittens' wacky utterances, no traction for him thinking the prez "files bills" with Congress? Saw that in p@reene. I know most of his base doesn't know how a bill becomes law either, but y'know.
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/16/obama_vs_romney_salon_liveblogs_the_second_presidential_debate/
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:16 (thirteen years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/AXKoa.jpg
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:18 (thirteen years ago)
no that was totally crazy Morbs! it's just that there was so much crazy last night, it was like a (golden) shower of crazy
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:18 (thirteen years ago)
I know most of his base doesn't know how a bill becomes law either, but y'know.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Z4lA7JDgKu0/SteE63d7OMI/AAAAAAAAAyQ/QEBA8m1awyY/s400/schoolhouse1.jpg
― The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:25 (thirteen years ago)
^Even my sister could sing that from memory.
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:26 (thirteen years ago)
I am willing to give mitt the benefit of the doubt w/r/t knowing how a bill becomes law, also that the plural of woman isn't binders, also he doesn't actually want tariffs on china and is smart enough to know that the president has basically no control over the price of oil etc. etc.
that's why he's arguably a worse human being than bush or mccain, both of whom could plausibly make these kind of statements because they actually don't understand lots of stuff
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:26 (thirteen years ago)
Under a Romney administration, we'll all be driving coal-burning cars, so gas prices won't affect us.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:28 (thirteen years ago)
i think one major problem in republican party getting traction re fast+furious is that american public wonders what vin diesel has to do w/ politics
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:29 (thirteen years ago)
It's a legitimate thing to bring up, but Mitt handled it poorly.
"So what was up with that?"
I don't know, Gov. Romney. You tell us.
― pplains, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:32 (thirteen years ago)
Not even contemplating whether Willard is lying his ass off about filing bills, just wonder why Moderator won't fact-check him there of all places.
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:37 (thirteen years ago)
Mordy, OTM
― The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:39 (thirteen years ago)
Also, the fact that the last Border Patrol agent shooting/killing appears to have been friendly fire kind of confuses the issue.
― The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:40 (thirteen years ago)
I think there's a difference between fact-checking mistakes and fact-checking straight up lies, most moderators do neither but it's easier justify doing #2
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:42 (thirteen years ago)
the bigger problem is that the biggest lies are in the framing vs some straight yes or no fact. moderator can't 'fact check' that romney's plan won't create jobs etc.
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:44 (thirteen years ago)
right but romney's lies run the gamut
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:45 (thirteen years ago)
Not sure if this has been linked, but it captures my own feelings pretty well, which I know are different than most everyone here:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/17/obama-wins-second-debate-but-romney-scores-with-centrist-likable-storyline.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thedailybeast%2Farticles+%28The+Daily+Beast+-+Latest+Articles%29
Short version: Obama strong, maybe too late.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:57 (thirteen years ago)
And, again, I sincerely hope he's wrong.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:58 (thirteen years ago)
I think there were a lot of opportunities for mittens to embrace his centrist and he was too scared of the tea bomb dropping. guns were one issue, and the last q especially, he coulda just gone for a full rebirth into a beautiful moderate butterfly.
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:01 (thirteen years ago)
canadian speculator speculates about speculative article by _professional_ speculator.
― diatribe soundsystem (is playing at my house) (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:15 (thirteen years ago)
idk if you are canadian i guess
― diatribe soundsystem (is playing at my house) (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:16 (thirteen years ago)
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/17/oct-16-can-polls-exaggerate-bounces/
One reason that Mr. Romney may have received such a large bounce following the Denver debate, for example, is because it came right on the heels of a strong run of news for Mr. Obama — particularly the Democratic convention, and the release of the “47 percent” tape.
Perhaps if YouGov had also contacted this same group of voters in August in advance of the party conventions, they would also have shown a relatively small bounce for Mr. Obama in September.
Stated more simply: Perhaps Mr. Obama’s numbers went from being artificially inflated to artificially deflated, exaggerating the degree of change in the race on both ends.
It continues to be noteworthy, in my view, that in slow news cycles — as in most of the spring and summer months — the polls have generally converged to show an overall advantage for Mr. Obama of about two percentage points. After his best news cycles, like after the Democratic convention, Mr. Obama pulled ahead in the polls by four to five points, while Mr. Romney remained about tied with Mr. Obama after his best series of events. But some of these effects could be artificial, as a result of nonresponse bias.
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:17 (thirteen years ago)
clemenza-- i think i'm better off just apologizing, i was tryna joke around about my *feelings about thread*, and came out like a jerk. sorry.
― diatribe soundsystem (is playing at my house) (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:19 (thirteen years ago)
But some of these effects could be artificial, as a result of nonresponse bias.
been wondring abt this re the nature of bounces, i mean it cant really be people changing their minds for a week then changing it back can it
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:23 (thirteen years ago)
nope almost nobody
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:23 (thirteen years ago)
Obama probably exceeds Romney in his love for coal. i'm imagining a wild debate after-party with romney, obama, and the national mining association where they all take turns parading each other around the room on top of their shoulders, buying one, two, three rounds for the whole house! hell, open bar for everyone, we love coal! we're all for fossil fuels! laid down enough pipeline to wrap around the whole fucking world!!!
― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:29 (thirteen years ago)
they play the song 'soul man' and replace the lyrics
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:30 (thirteen years ago)
idk didnt romney once say that no one loves coal more than him
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:31 (thirteen years ago)
Hunt3r: no problem, just read it now. I make jokes myself about the level of my interest in American politics.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:31 (thirteen years ago)
I don't expect to see Obama get a bounce out of this debate the way Romney got from the first debate. I agree that his bounce there was more about him reframing himself as a centrist and not about beating Obama per se. However, I don't think Obama needs a bounce here - all he needs to do is arrest his decline and he can eke out a narrow victory, which is what we should expect based on the economy (see http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/10/misery-index-analysis/ for instance).
― o. nate, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:33 (thirteen years ago)
xpostthere are wild rumors about the after-after-party, where romney was like "NO ONE loves coal more than i do", and obama said "i object to that - and in fact i find that offensive", and the National Mining Association said "then prove it, gentlemen" while unbuttoning its shirt. "Proceed, governor" said obama as the room lights began to dim and
― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:35 (thirteen years ago)
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:30 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
hahaha, a+
― *buffs lens* (schlump), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:36 (thirteen years ago)
someone please give ZS maureen dowd's fanfic job at the NYT asap
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:36 (thirteen years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/MXxEO.png
guessing well be edging back to 70% shortly, obamas bounce/mitts eroding bounce or w/e
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:36 (thirteen years ago)
I'm a coal man... I'm a coal maaaan....
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/17/a_ludicrous_debate_on_energy/
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:38 (thirteen years ago)
i've mentioned this before, but what sort of terrifies me is that energy is the one policy area i know the most about, and when i listen to them talk, EVERY GODDAMN LINE is fucking absurd, misleading, a terrible idea, etc. both of them. it makes me incredibly cynical and skeptical because how much bullshit am i not noticing in other policy areas that i don't know as much about?
― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:39 (thirteen years ago)
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:43 (thirteen years ago)
i think it's safe to say that everything said in a debate is bullshit
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:43 (thirteen years ago)
Except when Mitt said he was busy licking his wounds in 2008--a heart-wrenching moment.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:44 (thirteen years ago)
― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:39 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i used to really hate reading observer music magazine because they liked so much just fucking awful music & it made me fear for their accuracy in talking about like, palestine or w/e
― *buffs lens* (schlump), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:46 (thirteen years ago)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:44 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
last question presented an opportunity for a full shakespearean, stagewalking soliloquy, prick me do i not bleed (pulls up blazer sleeve to cover face), touch me does my heart not quicken, america
― *buffs lens* (schlump), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:47 (thirteen years ago)
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2012/10/romney-close-afp-debate-cropped-proto-custom_28.jpg
― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:48 (thirteen years ago)
romney +5 over obama in latest gallup fwiw
― balls, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:48 (thirteen years ago)
motherfucker/dark secrets xp
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:48 (thirteen years ago)
they have to lie the most w/r/t energy because its a subject where the truth is what nobody wants to hear
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:50 (thirteen years ago)
For context's sake, here's RCP's poll after the first 2004 debate:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/election_2012_vs_election_2004_eight_years_ago_today.html
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:52 (thirteen years ago)
it's more pretending it doesn't exist than lying though. i am at a i-read-that-one-rolling-stone-article level of knowledge re: global warming but it terrifies me, & it is freaky collective willed ignorance that it is not getting mentioned. & it should be an easy way to score points from mitt!, what w/his frequent pivots about at least acknowledging the science, &c.
― *buffs lens* (schlump), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:52 (thirteen years ago)
oh the handwringing
But other national polls published on Tuesday were not in agreement with the Gallup and Public Policy Polling numbers. Rather, three of the six national polls published on Tuesday had Mr. Obama leading the race. The same three polls also had Mr. Obama improving his numbers from the previous edition of the same survey, while the other three had him declining.
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:52 (thirteen years ago)
there are lots of subjects where telling the truth won't lose you votes, that's just the single best example of one where magical thinking is what the market demands
Xp
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:53 (thirteen years ago)
global warming is slowly becoming more politically palatable but 'you will have to pay high gas prices, for the rest of your life, sorry' is never gonna be
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:55 (thirteen years ago)
yeah, it's true, presidential campaigns are supposed to be full of happy promises to make everything better. openly discussing the approaching giant ball of flames is a faux pas. but hey, that's what the years in between the elections are for! oh wait, the mid-terms are coming up in 2014 - the most important mid-terms of our lives - and you have to begin "establishing the narrative" for that really early. and of course you don't want to start addressing depressing issues too soon after the inauguration because it ruins the drunken yacht party vibe. so that leaves, let's see.....August 8th, 2013. looks like there's a one day window on August 8th, 2013 to be realistic about energy and climate change.
― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:56 (thirteen years ago)
oh shit, i have a dentist's appointment that morning so it's going to have to be afternoon only
― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:58 (thirteen years ago)
gas prices are just the tip of it, taking the climate policy seriously would require an utter transformation of the entire economy, and reforms as minimal as Obamacare take 2 years.
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 17:59 (thirteen years ago)
cheap oil-based energy was the source and fountain of US prosperity. americans who lived through the 1974 and '79 oil embargoes know this in their bones, even when they understand nothing about energy or economics. to them accepting expensive gasoline means facing the end of that prosperity.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:02 (thirteen years ago)
That last photo is amazing. Belongs in some Lynch film somewhere.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:04 (thirteen years ago)
we can't even get rid of dollar bills ffs
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:06 (thirteen years ago)
It's weird that Romney said he's going to get the keystone pipeline built. It's being built right now.
― JacobSanders, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:06 (thirteen years ago)
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:06 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i will srsly assassinate the entire government if this ever happens
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:08 (thirteen years ago)
ha - http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82538.html
― balls, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:09 (thirteen years ago)
And Obama saying he's had enough pipeline built to wrap around the world, might not be too far off. While keystone was being delayed, in texas alone at least 8 hundred miles of pipelines were laid, in almost every state there are pipelines being built right now. Also in west texas there are major wind turbines projects going up, and I assume there are other project in other states?
― JacobSanders, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:11 (thirteen years ago)
country doesn't need additional power generated, it needs BETTER sources of power and a revamped grid
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:13 (thirteen years ago)
and a cap-and-trade market, an actual national energy policy etc
there haven't been any new power plants built in California in decades, the new utility-scale solar PV projects are all being built to meet renewable energy portfolio standard (omg a regulation that created jobs)
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:15 (thirteen years ago)
Does anyone know if Obama's push for alternative energy sources is real and has it created construction projects aside from wind turbines? Are the wind turbines being built due to Obama's policies?
― JacobSanders, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:15 (thirteen years ago)
Hah, I saw some fanfic speculative article on how, if Mitt was still at 15% on 538 after the first/second debate, he could just hold a press conference and say "I have now been given access to the same briefings as the President, and DID YOU KNOW, climate change is 100% real and is going to fuck us over? I have only just found this out, but you have known this for years, Mr President - For shame! For shame, I say!"
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:15 (thirteen years ago)
regulations create jobs all the time! xxp
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:15 (thirteen years ago)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 15:04 (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ACQccpcVwNk/Sxh9hCWDLaI/AAAAAAAAG7E/cv3ZLzxdZc0/s400/mh23.JPG
― *buffs lens* (schlump), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:16 (thirteen years ago)
If there's one man I trust to recognize journalistic terror when I see it...
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:16 (thirteen years ago)
But no I forgot, he's an entertainer.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:17 (thirteen years ago)
lol at 'in a real world'
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:17 (thirteen years ago)
I know in Houston there's a huge power plant being built, but I don't know any details about it other than the contractors decided to not sign a union contract.
― JacobSanders, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:17 (thirteen years ago)
in a real world not the real world we're currently live in but this other real world that we aren't living in - what might colloquially be referred to as not the real world...
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:18 (thirteen years ago)
the southern part of it is being built right now. he was referring to the northern section of it, which connects the pipeline from canada to the U.S., and which was rejected earlier this year transcanada.
obama asked them to reapply for the permit and has clearly signaled that he'll approve it because he forgot that climate change exists.
― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:18 (thirteen years ago)
Here's a link to the kind of Lynch image it reminded me of:
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff362/TheScoreBlogger/PDVD_425.jpg
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:21 (thirteen years ago)
Does anyone know if Obama's push for alternative energy sources is real and has it created construction projects aside from wind turbines?
ARRA funds went to tons of energy projects in California, some of which I have firsthand knowledge of so yes
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:25 (thirteen years ago)
cooper 2012
― *buffs lens* (schlump), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:27 (thirteen years ago)
That one 'fact' that Romney brings up about gas being $1.86 when Obama was elected.... wtf? Maybe this happened briefly for a month or so? I don't remember gas ever being down below $3 in the past 8 years.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:29 (thirteen years ago)
Now, Obama is all about jobs, and a bit more of what the Keystone Pipeline will bring will keep everyone busy!
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:30 (thirteen years ago)
like shakey says, the stimulus bill itself was an enormous boon for clean energy. here's a decent summary:
http://grist.org/politics/obamas-stimulus-package-was-a-ginormous-clean-energy-bill-says-michael-grunwald/
― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:33 (thirteen years ago)
I remember gas dipping down pretty low in late 2008 (sub $2), but it only lasted a month or two and really had nothing to do with who was president or who'd just been elected.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:33 (thirteen years ago)
http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2008/12/gas-prices-2.html
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:34 (thirteen years ago)
it had everything to do with the global economy crashing, which dramatically reduced the prices of many goods
― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:35 (thirteen years ago)
In the crash, owners of futures contracts on commodities were dumping those contracts in panic mode, and the oil market just before the crash was especially rife with speculative froth.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:40 (thirteen years ago)
well geez if crashes make things cheaper obviously what we need is another crash
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:43 (thirteen years ago)
That was one of Obama's best moments last night (paraphrase): "If you want $1.80 gas again, I have no doubt Governor Romney can do that," right after he explained why it dropped to $1.80.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:45 (thirteen years ago)
guess no one posted this:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/17/green-party-candidate-police-handcuffed-me-to-a-chair-for-eight-hours/
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:55 (thirteen years ago)
october surprise lol
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/gasprices_2008_2012.gif
― space dokken (Edward III), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 18:55 (thirteen years ago)
That story is crazy, JD. Handcuffed for eight hours!! Told by police that the police didn't want them "wandering around" (iow, detained only to prevent their freedom of motion and freedom of action)! Released only when a secret service car shows up to offer them a ride (trying to further control their movements)!
Shit, if this doesn't provide good grounds for a serious lawsuit for abuse of police authority, I'll be gobsmacked.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 19:05 (thirteen years ago)
Stein said the two women were handcuffed the entire time they spent inside a facility specifically designed to hold protesters, even though they had only been charged with violations. She said a request for their release was denied because, she was told, authorities did not want them “wandering around....”
“We were not allowed to make a phone call, there was no phone that was working. We didn’t have ours — we had given our phones to our assistants — so it was quite a bit of work to be able to borrow a phone from someone in a gas station.”
...“They actually told our staff that they would be arrested if they continued to wait on site,” Stein said.
OK, Stein meets all my requirements now, I will vote for her barring a sea change.
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 19:06 (thirteen years ago)
same
― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 19:08 (thirteen years ago)
This happens at pretty much every debate though, right? I recall in that Nader documentary that he was similarly arrested or otherwise ejected from the premises, and he even had a legit pass to go in.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 19:08 (thirteen years ago)
he was barred, not arrested.
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 19:08 (thirteen years ago)
being arrested is a weird requirement for voting for someone
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 19:10 (thirteen years ago)
presumably they figured that actually arresting nader -- who was after all pretty famous -- would be pretty bad publicity. whereas no one knows who stein is.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 19:11 (thirteen years ago)
Nader brought a lawsuit against them in a federal court, on the basis that corporate contributions violate the Federal Election Campaign Act. After a series of FEC actions and lower court decisions, the D.C. Circuit Court ultimately ruled in 2005 that because Congress vested discretionary power in the FEC (meaning that an FEC action would have to rise to the level of arbitrary and capricious to be challenged), the court would not overrule the FEC's determinations that "found that the third-party challengers had failed to provide 'evidence that the CPD is controlled by the DNC or the RNC,'" and that the CPD provided sufficient rationale for barring third party candidates from entering the debates as audience members out of fear they might have disrupted the live debates in protest over having been excluded as debate particpants.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_on_Presidential_Debates#Lawsuits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_on_Presidential_Debates#Lawsuits
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 19:11 (thirteen years ago)
oh sorry, (not that anyone cares but) i was just saying my vote goes to stein, not that her actions over the last few days changed my mind or anything
― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 19:13 (thirteen years ago)
I didnt say that was the only one, Mordy. Believing in something besides money would be another.
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 19:13 (thirteen years ago)
it's a weird requirement even accompanying other more reasonable requirements!
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 19:14 (thirteen years ago)
no it's not. Up Against the Wall Motherfuckers etc.
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 19:15 (thirteen years ago)
gas charts depress me. i've got a photo of my first year in l.a. somewhere and a gas station behind me has regular at $1.10 iirc. that was in 1999.
― omar little, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 19:25 (thirteen years ago)
Rumors say that in exchange for driving Sadaam out of Kuwait in the Persian Gulf War, the Saudis signed a secret agreement with Bush Daddy to produce enough to keep oil prices way down for ten years. Empirical evidence does not refute the truth of this.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 19:28 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/16/world/africa/election-year-stakes-overshadow-nuances-of-benghazi-investigation.html
the video was part of the motivation all along.
― there is no dana, only (goole), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 19:29 (thirteen years ago)
ok, I VOTED.
Is it over yet?
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 19:43 (thirteen years ago)
what a shitty campaign
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/republicans-empty-binder.php?ref=fpblg
― johnathan lee riche$ (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 19:54 (thirteen years ago)
A look into a world where humor mystifies and terrifies.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 20:09 (thirteen years ago)
kind of funny how something that got some cheap internet lulz and has 0 impact on the race is earning a response from republicans
waiting for binders full of big birds
― space dokken (Edward III), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 20:11 (thirteen years ago)
Empirical evidence does not refute the truth of this.
It's a wee bit more nuanced than just that though not by much. '73 scared the Saudis 'cause of what it did to the global economy and as scared as they were of Saddam, they didn't want any kind of backlash against them to imperil their rather huge financial interests in the West and elsewhere. The Gulf War was bad for the global economy anyway and the one way they could provide was a stabilizing influence on world crude prices and they had to fight off Iran and Venezuela repeatedly (iIrc, perhaps others) in their attempts to manipulate the global price of a barrel of crude.
― The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 20:12 (thirteen years ago)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XUUPpszbFCE/T_GPQlvK8_I/AAAAAAAADkA/P1mywEKgpNs/s1600/snoop-dogg-penguins-gin-juice.jpgI got a binder full of women and my homeboys do to
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 20:14 (thirteen years ago)
has 0 impact on the race is earning a response from republicans
I was reading not long ago (Silver?) that women tend to decide later than men and one of the biggest shifts in Mittens' post first debate bounce was amongst women. Saying that he had binfers of women and understood that they needed flexibility in their work schedules in order to go home and cook roasts for their children has not gone unnoticed amongst not only working class women but more affluent, perhaps Republican or Independent tending women, who balk not only at the old-school patriacal nature of the statement but also the blitheness of a businessman who apparently never saw or noticed the issues of families, let alone women in the workplace.
― The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 20:16 (thirteen years ago)
it's a world gone crazy keeps a woman in binders
― diatribe soundsystem (is playing at my house) (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 20:18 (thirteen years ago)
Whenever gas prices come up, I remember fall 2008--I had a six-week gig with a long drive, and in September 2008 it was at an all-time high and only went down in late October. Haven't looked up the specifics, but it's not like it was $2.50 all that year.
― pretty even gender split (Eazy), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 20:23 (thirteen years ago)
see the graph I posted upthread
― space dokken (Edward III), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 20:24 (thirteen years ago)
I guess I see republican-leaning women as already acting against their own best interests, so the binder comment would prolly get forgiven as another example of mitt clumsily forming the words that come out of his speech maker and nbd
xps
― space dokken (Edward III), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 20:25 (thirteen years ago)
or I don't care if you're sexist, just fix the economy goddamnit
― space dokken (Edward III), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 20:26 (thirteen years ago)
but if it shaves some points off romney's vote count I'm all for it
I don't have a good feeling about this election tbh
― space dokken (Edward III), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 20:28 (thirteen years ago)
Pray God you can copeI stand insideThis woman's binderThis woman's folderOoooh it's hard on the spineTo be between two flapsNow starts the life of a dossier
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 20:50 (thirteen years ago)
Fair enough, considering the options.
I still think Barack Obama would have to eat a baby on live tv to lose this.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 20:54 (thirteen years ago)
Ironically, that's the only way he could get Morbs' vote.
― pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 20:55 (thirteen years ago)
Would this be funnier if I remembered anything about LOTR?
http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/misc/BIND-THEM-COMP_8.gif
Probably not.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 21:00 (thirteen years ago)
I thought that Romney's gaffe that about having come "through small business" was kind of revealing. I guess that strictly by the number of employees that may have been true, though Bain is hardly anyone's idea of a small business. But when he talks about wanting to cut taxes for small business, it's pretty clear this is what he means: cutting taxes for highly profitable partnerships like Bain, whose profits are taxed at personal income rates, not about the little Mom & Pop operations.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 21:00 (thirteen years ago)
gif is more annoying the more you know about LOTR, tbh.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 21:03 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.romneytaxplan.com
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 21:03 (thirteen years ago)
^^ bit o' fun that
― Aimless, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 21:10 (thirteen years ago)
A fool's errand, indeed.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:08 (thirteen years ago)
Romney's dorkiness is weirdly translated in infomercial-like ads that appear on the TV channel that is sometimes on in the exercise room in the basement of my apartment building and appeared at points during the debate as this particular kind of impatience bordering on fidgetiness. So if this is what their last-minute ad campaign blitz will be like, is there much to fear?
― youn, Thursday, 18 October 2012 00:56 (thirteen years ago)
Good job there Tagg
http://gawker.com/5952745/tagg-romney-wanted-to-punch-obama-during-tuesdays-debate
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 October 2012 03:18 (thirteen years ago)
real charmer that one
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Thursday, 18 October 2012 03:19 (thirteen years ago)
i'd been wondering about this weird ass phrase: http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/108724/brief-history-trickle-down-government
― balls, Thursday, 18 October 2012 03:44 (thirteen years ago)
in some ways those are the biggest lapses of judgment because its like some code phrase that only plays to people whoa. pay attention to detailsb. are already gonna vote for him
and even then its not some booming zing or anything.
― iatee, Thursday, 18 October 2012 03:51 (thirteen years ago)
yeah i was shocked to discover it had ever been used in a context where the phrase made sense. still think it's just weird as hell for romney to use it as it never entered the common lexicon (i mean you have the new republic going 'wtf is trickle down govt?', what does it mean to average american???), it was clearly only used as a dumb comeback to trickle down economics, and even when the phrase 'trickle down economics' was in common campaign usage, ie TWENTY YEARS AGO, no republican got any traction w/ it. seems like just another way to grunt 'GOVERNMENT BAD' but not as effective even as when he blurted out 'government doesn't create jobs. government doesn't create jobs.' during the end of one of obama's answers last night.
― balls, Thursday, 18 October 2012 04:03 (thirteen years ago)
yeah that lasted for 2 seconds but in isolation was one of his ugliest moments
― iatee, Thursday, 18 October 2012 04:04 (thirteen years ago)
just seemed like an old man at a bus stop muttering to himself
that moment was terrific, maybe i imagined this but i remember him backing away as he said it like the ghost in hamlet woooooooing as he heads offstage
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 18 October 2012 04:05 (thirteen years ago)
i guess that is a pretty goofy production of hamlet i'm asking you to imagine there
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 18 October 2012 04:07 (thirteen years ago)
it's a pretty goofy play
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 18 October 2012 04:11 (thirteen years ago)
from the "lol, CNN is irrelevant" file:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/17/opinion/bennett-romney-obama/index.html?hpt=op_t1
― NINO CARTER, Thursday, 18 October 2012 04:16 (thirteen years ago)
William J. Bennett, a CNN contributor, is the author of "The Book of Man: Readings on the Path to Manhood."
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 18 October 2012 04:17 (thirteen years ago)
"Betcha $20 you can't read just one page!"
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 October 2012 04:18 (thirteen years ago)
how long til they're using the huffpost 'citizen journalist' model
― iatee, Thursday, 18 October 2012 04:19 (thirteen years ago)
Particularly Chuckle-worthy...he explicitly Says that Obama spoke too much about Bush and tried to tie Romney to Bush. Funny Considering the civilian who asked the question asked both candidates about how similar Romney was to Bush.
― NINO CARTER, Thursday, 18 October 2012 04:22 (thirteen years ago)
Bennet: "Obama needed a convincing win Tuesday night, and he did not get it."
He then goes on to produce not one shred of argument as to why anyone would accept either half of that statement as true.
― Aimless, Thursday, 18 October 2012 04:23 (thirteen years ago)
Particularly the first, since he's projecting at around 285 electoral votes right now (comfortably)
― NINO CARTER, Thursday, 18 October 2012 04:38 (thirteen years ago)
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― iatee, Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:04 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
best part though was when obama reassured us that govt does not create jobs and that he believes the free enterprise system (those texas textbooks are working!) was the best system ever developed
― k3vin k., Thursday, 18 October 2012 10:10 (thirteen years ago)
Someone needs to bring back "voodoo economics" and whip it on Mitt.
― C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Thursday, 18 October 2012 12:33 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.amazon.com/review/R300JT745JOIWZ/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R300JT745JOIWZ
― space dokken (Edward III), Thursday, 18 October 2012 12:43 (thirteen years ago)
Yeah, this was just stupid
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Thursday, 18 October 2012 12:45 (thirteen years ago)
i just love how mr. anti-government romney is now the jobs candidate. jobs jobs jobs! the government doesn't create jobs we built it wait no i'm going to create jobs for everyone!
― scott seward, Thursday, 18 October 2012 12:48 (thirteen years ago)
i also liked when he threw that number out there during the tax debate too. say you get....hmmmm....20,000 dollars! i think that was actually code for "i will give everyone who votes for me 20,000 dollars." which i would totally take, by the way.
― scott seward, Thursday, 18 October 2012 12:51 (thirteen years ago)
i did love that debate. i guess i really do miss boxing after dark on hbo.
― scott seward, Thursday, 18 October 2012 12:52 (thirteen years ago)