suggest new schticks for posters in 2013

mh could post sardonically from hostess bars in tokyo

Michael White might benefit from being just slightly disappointed with everything, while otherwise retaining his politesse

nilmar honorata da silva shoudl embrace positivity and enthusiasm in 2013 imo

new management fires everyone on ilx

iatee moves to suburbs, posts about wacky adventures w/ new redneck neighbors

stet becoming more ruthless would be interesting

everyone wakes up one morning and all the posters beginning with 'h' have just disappeared

Morbs excitedly posting Joe Klein essays and destroying us for not thinking Hillary isn't the Republic's last best hope in 2016.

lewis jager should drop this non-posting schtick in the one three imo

everyone wakes up one morning and all the posters beginning with 'h' have just disappeared

― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Sunday, December 16, 2012 7:23 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

You wish, europussy.

eesh stick to the annilingus please

lol europussy

strongo hulkington becomes ray-of-sunshine type always ready with a good word for his fellow man.

but you are!

noted pessimists turning into godbotherers might not happen, but maybe introducing the odd 'KIP' or 'hey it could be worse' could work

feel better about things, nilmar

hey harbl

lamp posts exclusively in de subjectivisten

afaik he is currently posting exclusively in the slightly less comprehensible magic the gathering thread

lamp posts always makes me lol

http://anarpartyrentals.com/images/lamp_post_1_head.jpg

Eric H. finds a new hope for cinema in the form of british nu-social realism

couple posters really took this thread to heart

u gonna name names??

his new schtick is subposting

everyone wakes up one morning and all the posters beginning with 'h' have just disappeared

― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Sunday, December 16, 2012 7:23 PM (4 months ago)

:o

'arbl innit

if someone wants to recommend me a new schtick I will take it a as a challenge to crank out at least one post that fits the bill before reverting to type.

Aimed

you should post something on a 'delicate' thread in the style of ade/cankles/hungry4ass imo

make it count

http://ttag.zippykidcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Finger-gun-courtesy-shinigamikayo.blogspot.com_.jpg

haf i told yuo lately FUCK U, mookieproof i don't do 'delicate'

^^uh, faux cankles as best i could manage

needs work imo

give us your best shot, VG. hard as you can. we can take it. (flexes abs, stops breathing)

no fight challenge, no cred

(deflates)

eh, I got to go make polenta or the householders will go hungry tonite.

wd prefer cankles doing aimless

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u gonna name names??

― 乒乓, Sunday, April 21, 2013 7:42 PM (2 hours ago)

^^^^^^^^^

:)

i'm basically out of posts indefensible: john gruber

i'm glad you weren't coy- you totes know O:) xp

http://i.imgur.com/sZ6hy33.jpg

ftr u can prob blame jeremy lin

*farts*

i would never do cankles

:D

Can Aimless or somebody else post like dandydonweiner to help inoculate the rest of the ilx population?

Oh jeez I never saw this

Nakh should turn truther

http://www.featurepics.com/FI/Thumb300/20101008/Man-Sharpening-Axe-Grinding-Stone-1665625.jpg

i didnt even do anything this time

omg I never saw this thread

i want to hear more about your jeremy lin conversion

I explained the first post of this thread to a friend and his response was, "whoa, that totally sounds like a thing you could do"

i want to hear more about your jeremy lin conversion

― Mordy, Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:35 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

well i guess i was taught that we lived in a postracial society and growing up i was in enough of a bubble to not really question that and that continued through college and then after college i moved to a place where i didnt have to think about it for 3 years and then i came back and i realized it wasnt true

and then i realized i didnt really know the language for how to talk about these things and then i did some reading and found out and now i like to talk about it a lot

ias* my impression was that you were fairly savvy about identity/cultural studies issues and chose to develop conversations in unconventional ways. i'm a little disappointed to discover that the only barrier for you joining the aggrieved social justice brigade was acquiring the popular idioms of the tumblr intellectual movement :/

*in all sincerity

well i'm not gonna try to connect everything back to capitalism like u do

i also don't read a lot of tumblr ^_^

i also realized that for all the power of the academy it really only is very fun to think about when u are insulated from the vicissitudes of daily life ^_^

what if you guys started a social justice zizek tumblr together instead of fighting

yes

i suggest that schtick

foucault or gtfo

https://twitter.com/zizek_ebooks/status/327527647330582529

i wouldn't argue that marxism is the 'true' context for discussing social issues (tho it's obviously one i find particularly compelling) but i do find the irate shaming of social justice + privilege discourses to be anti-intellectual at best. i was really bummed when i read this post:

well sanpaku is a super-rational-bordering-on-savantism dude so i wouldn't really have expected better

― 乒乓, Wednesday, April 24, 2013 12:30 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

is super-rational-bordering-on-savantism something bad? i certainly prefer it to the airing of political grievances.

of course its bad because it assumes that there is a rational or logical way to think

privilege discourse and irate shaming are not inseparable, and the one doesn't always entail the other. it's easy to think it does tho if you get all yr inputs on this topic from tumblr

are there more and less rational or logical ways to think though?

i appreciate when sanpaku takes that angle w/r/t stuff like oil, nutrition, i am gonna facepalm when he applies it to the topic of cultural appropriation

probably and it's gonna depend on the topic! xp

surely recognizing that no content is fully objective doesn't preclude one from having more intellectual or stimulating conversations

i think one of the things that makes me most mad nowadays is like, when ilxors think that, because they post on this board and are pretty left in general, they think it means they dont have any blind spots in their own thinking (i'll cop to being like this all the time)

also i don't know sanpaku's identity structure but assuming he is a white privileged male i don't know why that should invalidate his opinion on cultural appropriation. he's an intelligent guy who is well read and has a lot of thoughtful ideas. i think a better move is to engage his argument on his terms, not ask him to check his privilege.

tbh i think ilx's biggest blind spot in thinking is this social justice shaming nonsense

mordy the post i was responding to was literally the most anti-intellectual post posted on this board since momus left, if he had posted about idk the kilowatt extraction from oil shales i would not really care

hah hah you are already trapped in its logic of shame, there is no escape for u xp

maybe you can explain to me in an intellectual way why u think that way about social justice shaming

yeah absolutely. it's bc instead of dealing directly w/ an argument is tries to undermine the person making the argument.

the whole gr8080 chicago schtick has been a development, like reading the prequel to the hawaii chapter. It's akin to the deniro/pacino chapters of godfather 2 or when the cast of coach would recall their minnesota days after moving to florida.

social justice is a political movement, not an intellectual movement- it's about who gets to speak, not what is said.

i wouldnt really think of it that way, i would say its more making that person consider their own intense subjectivity

well when the opportunities for who gets to speak are disparately distributed, maybe u need to get that out of the way before u can start acknowledging what is actually said

idk it's more about seeking to establish a voice for ppl whose voices have had structural obstacles to being heard

can the subaltern speak? is the question u should be dealing with imo

iow dayo otm xps

this is something where i sympathize with mordy cuz the blog-language of communitarian resentment is dull and complacent, while recognizing that not being subject to various estrangements ensures that i can just ignore them in a way visible minorities cannot

wrt sanpaku, he is being blasé but then the subject (a minor pop artiste given to garish affectations borrows from whichever subaltern ethnic dress) is so minor that the calumnization is absurd

haven't read "can the subaltern speak?" but I'm pretty sure the summary is "no"

oh, if it's "intense" subjectivity then.

but seriously, it's not a huge ask to say that the argument is more important than the person making the argument. or at least that such a position is a virtue worth striving towards. but i also care more about arguing to the crowd than arguing to the opponent. i don't think i'll ever change, eg silby's mind, but i think ppl's reading an argument i may have w/ silby may find my arguments compelling. if you're more invested in actually converting your opponent then social justice becomes important. that is why it's political, and not intellectual. you aren't trying to make an argument, you're trying to make a particular person believe an argument.

Attempting to address social issues with pure intellectualism and pretend there's an objective position assumes that emotion and experience are barriers to overcome, not an essential part of the human experience

if "the argument" is privileged by the idea of an objective position, then you can attack the person's own position to show they're not on objective ground

Without wishing to cause offense, I find this thread somewhat tedious.

Attempting to address social issues with pure intellectualism and pretend there's an objective position assumes that emotion and experience are barriers to overcome, not an essential part of the human experience

well put!

michael white also otm

yeah can we get back to me posting from a hostess bar, I am close to starting a kickstarter to make this happen

well mordy im not really trying to get on the harlem globetrotters here, youre right in that respect

sanpaku didn't argue that he was right bc he was objective tho.

re minority voices, i notice that on ilx the ppl most invested in the social justice discourse - not to bring other names in but let's say in this argument silby and dayo (tho there are far more egregious examples elsewhere on the board) were not silent or unheard before they jumped on the discourse, and in jumping on the discourse other voices weren't suddenly privileged. the same people are talking, they are just talking about something else (and something quite boring imho).

I can't think of anywhere else I'd be more disaffected, the sardonic posts would reach new heights

i hope michael white was generously responding to my suggestion upthread, and commend him if so

can someone move Mordy on to another thread

i wouldn't have brought this up but i noticed that dayo went from a poster whose posts i enjoyed to a poster whose posts i could read from a dozen different dn's. like i wrote above it's a bummer, but it's obv his choice to post in whatever style he wishes. i don't think it's necessarily worth the otm's to compromise what i found engaging about his posting style, but that's my own pov and i obv don't have the same things at stake as dayo does.

mh dude chill out

who is the most bored on this thread, I can't tell

this is my thread and i use settlor's privilege to give mordy an unrestricted right to respond itt

Nilmar's spoken

idk mordy, i'd like to change but u know, once u have seen something u cant really unsee it. i'd like to change it but i cant really change my phenotype + the experiences it brings. u have a sibling for whom this might be true one day as well. it's interesting stuff! i wish u wouldn't be so dismissive.

'political' to me reads as intent to win power and control resources, and in a mass political system implies a large constituency, which i don't think (internet) social justice really has. isn't it just... liberalism? or, arguments w/in it? liberals/liberalism (and people outside it) have been wrestling with quote-unquote identity politics forever. i'm not convinced of novelty here. either that or what constitutes #socialjustice hasn't been defined

i didn't really have cause to think of myself as racialized before, but now i do, and i can't unracialize myself, thats on america, u feel me?

Mordy's new shtick could be to have an epiphany mid-threads that he's made a change in the fabric of the conversation, go "Ah, yes" and step away from the thread. Because I have the tendency to linger on topics for way too long and drift between stern questioner and devil's advocate when I really said that all I had to say. And I recognize my own.

sorry we racialized you dayo :(

Mordy I can honestly say during my first year or two at a Small Liberal Arts College with lots of Aggravating Activists I had some similar reactions as you to some of this stuff, and there's definitely approaches to anti-oppressive activism that aren't really, uh, well-pitched for winning over outside audiences (and some stuff that I'm never gonna get on board with like BDS)

so what I'd recommend if you find yourself clashing with other ppl on ilx (who, as I like to point out on situations like this, you probably would agree with on like 75%+ of randomly-selected political issues) on stuff is to find some people talking about it somewhere who you are otherwise willing to take seriously (i.e. not tumblr teens) and try to start grokking where it's coming from

tbh tumblr social justice warriors are mostly blowing off steam & interacting with their own echo chamber

sry for helping to ruin the thread

is tumblr social justice the thing where people complain about how they can't get a surgery to turn into a unicorn?

there was a point in which i really did believe the author was dead, that it was the argument itself that mattered, yeah yeah, thats kind of boring to me now + doesnt reflect my experience of lyfe except in certain circumstances

we gotta be super nice to dayo and the rest of his I Love Photography kind coz they got long lenses. michael jones lives about ten minutes from me. he's gonna find all my dirt

I suggest that mordy and dayo swap schticks on the issue of privilege for one month in order to engender understanding on the topic

why do we keep have to be threatening a uthors

why'd u have to use the word 'engender' there u fat chauvinist male xp

I thought this thread might have some fun impressions in it.

Nice privilege u skinny fuck

i am skinny *fits into 30 waist jeans without even trying*

I'm so fat now, some of my tiniest pants no longer fit :(

I might be a 29" waist now.

smdh

*eats bag of swedish fish, drinks 40oz of soda*

but if u do care mordy i guess what made me mad about sanpaku's post was that it's just a stylized version of the kind of logic that has been used to justify white cultural appropriation + worse for many years now, some wld say centuries, but i didnt really feel like arguing with him since i didnt have 300 jstor articles to link to since thats what it would prob take to convince him

a lot of this stuff is p basic foucault, butler, postcolonial theory in general, sometimes u dont feel like framing arguments in those terms and u just wanna lay a big fuck u down because it doesnt really even matter in the end

why do i get the impression that ppl who like to say that stuff is basic foucault, butler, postcolonial theory in general have read very little of the aforementioned themselves

hey argue to the crowd, not to the person

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4146nLhC8uL.jpg

it's bc they don't actually seem to know what those ppl said. point me to foucault's book on cultural appropriation tho.

like it's been a few years since i read butler (and i didn't enjoy her much when i did) but she isn't just someone you can namedrop as a vague explanation for the position you aren't bothering to argue. just bc you've heard of edward said doesn't mean you can just say cultural appropriation and drop your mic.

especially bc these aren't non-controversial ppl either. current thinking on foucault is that for all his very cool + interesting ideas he pretty much didn't understand history at all.

well obviously some transpositioning has occurred! hold on let me refresh myself (via wikipedia if its not too shameful for u)

Mordy let me gently point out that one reason many people who are active in this partic discourse seem irate all the time is because the often find themselves trying to explain things at length to ("str8 wite male") interlocutors who are on rly different wavelengths about this stuff, and it can be exhausting and demoralizing

silby with all due respect i don't think you have anything to explain

what i find very influential from foucault is his idea of how power is distributed, but not only distributed + also how it's created - how maybe the general conception of power is that there is a powerful actor that is using it, maybe the state - but how does it manifest itself? it's one thing to say that the state represses, but how? i find it very useful when foucault characterizes power as being created from the amalgamation of the uncountable interactions between actors in every day life - how people are implicitly taught the power dynamics that exist in society from the moment they are born, they are socialized to use and take advantage of these expressions of power that occur at an individual + instantaneous level. summing up all these interactions u can maybe start getting an idea of what u might mean when u say that there still exists a global white hegemony. obv thats my application of foucault and probably u might say its facile and 2 easy! but i also find that it reflects my experience of life v well and thats why i like it

i realize its prob p gauche to actually apply theory to real life, is that what they call praxis? idk i dont really care tho

it's kinda gauche to reduce a number of complex arguments foucault wrote about punishment, sex, knowledge to "how power is created" tbh

the difficulty (problematics) occur when someone like silby, with his heart in the right place but seldom with anything terribly enlightening to say, can never be in the wrong on ilx

there are always demons to slay, and any excesses shall be forgiven in a noble cause, and no piety can ever be reaffirmed too often or too stridently

but seriously, it's not a huge ask to say that the argument is more important than the person making the argument. or at least that such a position is a virtue worth striving towards.

― Mordy, Thursday, April 25, 2013 2:20 PM (12 minutes ago)

i tried long and hard to make this point on ILX, with little success. i eventually came to see that, if you have an overriding interest in clearing room in the discussion for underrepresented voices (and perhaps minimizing the influence of overrepresented ones), it's irrelevant at best, regressive at worst. that insight didn't make me believe it any less, but it did incline me to be a bit less insistent.

anyway, that's my new schtick.

the problem is that silby is trying to teach ppl about privilege and using the little academic jargon he knows as a blunt object to project authority. that's tumblr intellectualism. he isn't making an argument about what butler meant when she said X in Y text. that's why his argument always reduces to: "it's frustrating to argue with you bc you don't get it," bc he isn't actually making an argument, he's making a political move. (silby, sorry to pick on you - again you're hardly the worst offender here but you're the only one on this thread.)

oh thank god the other person i wanted to yell at arrived xp

Mordy let me gently point out that one reason many people who are active in this partic discourse seem irate all the time is because the often find themselves trying to explain things at length to ("str8 wite male") interlocutors who are on rly different wavelengths about this stuff, and it can be exhausting and demoralizing

― resulting paste of mashed cheez poops (silby), Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:46 (5 minutes ago)

this could be lifted word for word (except the parenthesis) from the corner or whatever other sermonizing organ

silby with all due respect i don't think you have anything to explain

― Mordy, Thursday, April 25, 2013 2:47 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh I totally don't

what i find interesting about butler is the social construction of not just gender but also identity? the move away from objective underlying bases that express themselves as performances of identity, rather, that performance /is/ identity, that the underlying objectivity that it supposedly is grounded on is unstable, or maybe even doesnt exist. its an attack on essentialism which i like. what it means for me is that, when i am forced to cover up my own identity in order to 'conform' to societal expectations (and im sure u know that in the channels that i am moving now this is something i have to do) there really is no identity for me to protect - i am how i act, there is no underlying stable core. and thats upsetting to me, that i have to distort, maybe even destroy myself simply based on what others think of me because of my phenotype

I'm like Privilege McTechjob xp

it's kinda gauche to reduce a number of complex arguments foucault wrote about punishment, sex, knowledge to "how power is created" tbh

― Mordy, Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:51 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

those complex arguments are really of no use to me unless i have plenty of time to spend thinking about them, which might be true if i had gone into the academy but alas i dont have the $$$ to do that

dayo i mean this sincerely - i think you should read these ppl and not just their wiki pages.

butler is dense but foucault has lots of very readable stuff

lol i uh, read the history of sexuality from front to back? vol. 1 at least

he isn't actually making an argument, he's making a political move. (silby, sorry to pick on you - again you're hardly the worst offender here but you're the only one on this thread.)

― Mordy, Thursday, April 25, 2013 2:53 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's chill just bored at work tbh

part of the reason i didnt go to the academy is that i dont really believe those conversations are happening in the academy either, everybody is usually talking past each other

anyway Mordy your new shtick should obviously be Yelp reviews of Christian Science reading rooms

(p.s. will cheerily admit to not knowing a damn thing about Judith Butler but otoh I never claimed to)

i think a big fear i had was that the further u moved up the ladder in the academy the more things would be motivated not by the strength of what u wrote or argued but by mundane factors like prestige, departmental politics, money. so far i havent really seen anything that would argue against that

if u really wanted to we could probably have nilmar choose a long-ish passage from foucault or bulter and we could submit competing 15 page papers on our interpretations of it, filled with complex qualifications and doubling backs and invocations of Lacan and Hegel. im not so far removed from the academy that i cant do that anymore, it can be fun sometimes. but on most days i prefer to read dune and watch action movies + bball tbh

i think if you're going to form your shtick around identity politics, and you want to do it in an intelligent interesting way, you need to be willing to write paragraphs about lacan and hegel. if you just want to bitch at ppl bc you're angry about how americans treat ppl of chinese descent, that's not necessary, but realize that not everyone is going to love reading the rants.

well yeah of course, i dont think everybody loves reading paragraphs about lacan or hegel either

the whole grad school author thing is a nonsequitur, i don't think the worst instances of tumblr.txt apologetics on ilx involve distractionary appeals to academic authority, more that they inflate the semiotic aspects of cultural hegemony at the expense of the material

isn't that always the backdrop behind the omnipresent complaint that "i don't want to have to explain this to you" tho? - what is the thing presumably being explained? the assumed academic justification for the political maneuver.

not to make a distractionary appeal to academic authority but I don't think "distractionary" is a word

i guess at one point, in college and maybe for a year after college, i was p invested in appearing smart, not just smart but smart, u know, can quote my theory, can talk about problematics, can really close read the shit out of something and show u all the unstability. but now i gotta make a living, which is a lame excuse i know, and also i guess it all felt kind of like a carousel, i never really arrived at anything that i was really invested in, other than some core truths abt perception and subjectivity, the phenomenal and the noumenal, and the myth of silenus. im comfortable with treating those as truths by the way and not things to be problematized further.

i know i dont have the greatest history of hearing things correctly on ilx, but i think its clear that the white dude says 'sour' pretty rhotic-ly, like, "sow-errr"; whereas the server says it in a non-rhotic way, "sow-ahh"; i know the server dude only says like 5 words total but its def there imo

― 乒乓, Saturday, 20 April 2013 23:13 (5 days ago)

^^ like de facto racial quotas at prestigious universities are much more interesting than this

pretty much the only reason i participate in ilx is bc it's a surrogate intellectual community post-graduate school (while i, too, try to earn a living). that's why this move to privilege studies bothers me so much. i feel like it erodes the value i get from ilx, either by silencing posters i think make intelligent contributions (like sanpaku, or contenderizer) or by turning interesting conversations into ongoing referendums on whether a particular object is racist or sexist.

lol nobody ever silenced contenderizer

they tried, they failed

except that his new shtick is essentially "i'm sorry i said anything"

lol

except for that last part, that was less lol

;_;

i guess maybe ultimately what made me move away from the academy was my long-running nihilism abt the world itself, looked at from afar i stopped seeing the value + enjoyment in the academy that i used to get from it

prob im too hung up on the pleasure/reward circuit. i used to watch movies and read media and have all these intense thoughts. the white-hot sun room of the academy! i would go on ilx, post about it, maybe get a few replies. then those threads fell off SNA. where are they now? who is reading them? where is my tenure? i was not getting enough dopamine. my reward circuits have been rewired 4ever

as someone who wrote some of those few replies i understand your new rewired reward circuits but i mourn your old ones

Mordy if nothing else you can log all this time as practice from when your kids come back from their first semester of college in xteen years or whatever and start laying into you about your complicity in the machinery of oppression or something

well what i need is a patron, i think

it is p weird to discuss cultural inclusion while making first hand knowledge of unabridged theoretical texts a prerequisite, imo. to build on my enduring signature ilx schtick of standing up to defend ignorance, it seems like pedantic pulling up the ladder to the treehouse behaviour to me to deny the currency of naming authors as shorthand for certain broad sets of ideas; these things aren't binary & still exist (as ... texts) and influence varied, personal conclusions, at whatever level (repping here for the enriching effects of hours of considering just the title of against interpretation w/o ever reading it). demanding fluency or assuming ignorance is conversationally p limiting I think.

does this mean, not to overstate the face/off aspects of this contretemps, that mordy and dayo are approaching this from almost the same position of disenchantment with academe? that one finds a measured personal/political epiphany away from ~the game~ and is able to enlist ilx in the same struggle, while the other seeks to revivify the argumentative elements of the university in the informal setting of ilx but finds ilx becoming less and less disputatious?

let me know if nic cage shows up

it is p weird to discuss cultural inclusion while making first hand knowledge of unabridged theoretical texts a prerequisite, imo.

you misunderstand my complaint. ppl can speak from any canon (or personal experience). my only complaint is when the theoretical texts are cited for authority w/out actually using the texts themselves. you don't necessarily need to do a close reading (tho it's appreciated) but namedropping butler and not following it up w/ anything butler actually said is the problem.

i think i also became disenchanted with the method of literary analysis that i see so presently used. i think it goes like this, that you read a text carefully, but u look for repetitions, rhymes, echoes in the text, u see that structurally an element is repeated here but slightly differently there, u begin to theorize about why. u start to think about the energies of the text, right, how certain themes or motes or ideas get repeated - but not the same way! - and how it builds on itself. u get excited. u see an individual struggle between pierre and an assailant get interspersed between chapters of troop movements at the crimea. u read that pierre all of a sudden notices his hand, he uses his hand, and maybe 5 chapters earlier there was a metaphor about how the russian army was like that of a fist. u get excited! u write about it. it gets saved in a word doc, or on ilx.com. a week goes by, what do u remember of it? what does anybody remember of it? time to die.

just to add- it's not necessarily butler but this subtext that the entire discourse is already justified by a body of academic work that is alluded to but never itself discussed - "I don't have time to educate you." xp

i'd prefer discussing a chapter of gogol than a racist chinese food commercial every day of the week

instead, u get a dog. the dog is lovely, it barks, it demands ur attention. u take it for a walk, it is always happy. u stop reading war and peace. u find a spouse! life is good. who cares about butler?

startrekman should start asking about obscure trolley systems and what musician they were used by

wait what is this thread about again

trolleys now, I hope

well 4 me the breakthrough was that racist chinese food commercials inlfuence my life - as lived - just as much as tolstoy does! maybe thats not apparent to u. maybe u should consider ur privilege? i see u posting in the anti-semitism thread! i see u.

i agree with ur characterization of me btw, nakh

the wholescale absorption of critical theory / identity politics into the humanities was all just to create some white heat and light, an attempt at relevance to save them all from hours of arduous yet forgettable close-reading

that was the conclusion i reached from reading the first few chapters of this book

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/french-theory-in-america/

which you can get on l1bg3n

well where does the academy stand nowadays? if mordys complaint is that the academy is infected by this stuff too, yeah, i agree. i wasnt really interested in having to specialize in 16th century queer female poets of the ming dynasty, though i dont begrudge anybody who does, but thats likely all that would have been open to me. all the plum spots about talking about benjamin and barthes are snapped up : |

hey what thread are you guys talking about

Every few weeks I read an article about how a Chabad synagogue in the world, in France, in India, in Nigeria (!), in Cyprus, has either been attacked, or there's been an attempt to kill the people who pray there. I pray in a Chabad synagogue and people carry guns there because they are afraid that someone might come and kill them. This directly affects my life and yet I don't come on ilx and complain whenever I see something that seems vaguely anti-Semitic. Maybe the problem is that racist doesn't affect you enough.

Arah fuck the lot of ye

Cept silby, silby we cool

xp and harbl obv

I do post on the anti-semitic thread, a thread dedicated to discussing anti-semitism specifically. I try to interact about things and explain why I find them offensive. I try not to tell people to bend to my opinion bc I'm a Jew. Even when arguing with known ilx anti-Semites (lol) I don't call them out on their gentile privilege. What an ass thing to do!

i'm sorry i said that, mordy

i like "what an ass thing to do"

haha thanks I guess dmac

damn, mordy goes in

I'm a known ilx antisemite but only cos i feel the whole thing is a jewish political power grab tbh

the racist food commercials don't really tell anyone on ilx anything new, they merely confirm what any vaguely literate person knows about tolerated racial stereotypes in 2k13

tbh i'm kind of amazed the center held as long as it did

ITT the Jews and the Chinese get along GREAT

lol

Someone give me a new shtick (do I even have a shtick?)

you date a white nationalist

called idk rurik or maybe thor or something

there was a rurik at university. he was huge. he rowed.

Stevie ur schtick seems to be having fun tbrr, idk is it worth stopping on the request of a message board

get him on ilx xp

was he a a white nationalist?

don't think there was that much to him except oarsmanship, whether that is an expression of white nationalism is up to u

there is a varg-ish poetics to a rower called rurik, given that the rurikid kings descended from the vikings who rowed down the don/dnieper deltas to form the nascent rus' statelet

Cool Puntings - four Jamaican undergrads decide to represent the Oxhampton Unicollege Rowgliders in the 439th Annual Superboat, they discover it is just not worth it and stick to the muddy pole stuff

also ty for that nakh, isn't the dnieper mouth in year-round pack-ice tho? guess not, unless those rurikids were even doughtier than is claimed

I would like to request a schtick but nothing smutty

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_route_from_the_Varangians_to_the_Greeks

turns out I was being 'ob' tuse

Obtuse but ill give it a lash

He in turn installed his nakhodniks to assist him in governing the land

suggest deems follows NFL

deems we'll help u pick a team and everything. just be willing to bareknuckle fight Bill Magill when the shit hits the fan

what's like the 5th or 6th best team, flatters to deceive, reliably combusts at the merest hint of greatness

chargers maybe

totally the chargers

Sounds promising actually, but i been tryin to sleep better tbh

can we go back to talking about privilege

come onnnnnnnnnnnn

Dayo we decided ur new schtick is not to do that.

can my new schtick be talking about football then

yes

itt dayo complains about talking about vikings

kinda want a new schtick myself now, lord knows what

lol nakh

ay the midfielder really laid it in against the lad, tbf was a pretty righteous punt, rurik never got to the goalpost did he

there should be a thread where people who hate sports watch sports and have to pretend like they like it

*flees thread*

(gets out a lasso)

none of you are ever gonna beat dan perry's cricket post

lol iatee

"Once I threw a wobbly for 5/0/i/2220 for after my first chugger caused a Pollyanna; imagine my face when the three tits went up on scoreboard! Lawks, what a shocker!"

― HI DERE, Sunday, 2 September 2007 16:47 (5 years ago)

^^^this is p much how it is

suggest phatic sportsbro bot that provides atmospherics to underpopulated sports threads by posting 'w00t' 'come on dudes' 'fuck you bitches' etc

i think u rely too much on jakobson tbh

foot on the throat! foot. on. the. throat.

also autoupdates with gifs from minus.com

got the feeling that there's a really interesting discussion we just immersed in whimsical ordure to the point of encephalic disintegration, soz

probably can get a lot of mileage on any sports thread by saying things like "that wasn't even close!" or "i can't believe he missed that one". doesn't matter about the sport.

the casual overuse of adjectives was another reason i quit the academy, tbh

; )

latter quote might go down badly in serena williams vs victoria azarenka xxp

Aw i love it when ppl post to ilf, also normal ilxors in world cup threads saying stuff like "woah INSANE prevention from the guard on that effort" it's v sweet

mixing registers is the soul of linguistic dialectic bruv

when the guard prevents insanely it just has to be noted

It does iatee, it does

anyways, to sum up the thread and my new schtick & to smooth over the rifts i will relate to u a parable

"How did I get here?" I exclaimed. It was a moderately large hall, lit by soft electric light, and I was walking along close to the walls. Although there were several doors, if one opened them one only found oneself standing in front of a dark, smooth rockface, scarcely a handbreadth beyond the threshold and extending vertically upwards and horizontally on both sides, seemingly without any end. Here was no way out. Only one door led into an adjoining room, the prospect there was more hopeful, but no less startling than that behind the other doors. One looked into a royal apartment, the prevailing colors were red and gold, there were several mirrors as high as the ceiling, and a large glass chandelier. But that was not all.

I do not have to go back again, the cell is burst open, I move, I feel my body.

thank u very much

^^^has a snake

would not have occurred to me that dayo had a new schtick but I enjoyed the explanation of it itt

^^ like de facto racial quotas at prestigious universities are much more interesting than this

― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:11 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

if u want to talk about de facto racial quotas at universities hit me back, just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan, this is dan

just bc you've heard of edward said doesn't mean you can just say cultural appropriation and drop your mic.

^^ funny post

yeah i'd be interested to see how this works in england but i don't know any research on it

i can tell u about how it works in america

i think oxford had fewer students of african/caribbean ancestry than it did pupils from about 20 elite schools

surprise?

de facto quotas for asian americans can severely limit the opportunities for asian americans who are part of distinct ethnic subgroups that are separate from east asians or south asians. groups like cambodian americans, laotian americans, hmong americans have really different immigration patterns from other asian americans - in fact, iirc, almost all of them are refugees from the fallout of the vietnamese war. when they immigrated they were handled by the us government but in ways that were really... not opportune. i think 'smart' admissions departments probably have ways of allowing for diversity at this level through inferring from surnames, maybe, or maybe they have an open-ended ethnicity box or something. but i think in general it's really easy to look at a university's demographics and say "wow, 20% asian american? way overrepresented!" and move on.

did i not start a thread on this?

i mean there was something ridiculous like 10 afrocaribbean students in a single year compared to 30 people from eton or whatever

yeah we did discuss it and the bias against east asians at ivies etc was prima facie clear iirc

even within east asian and south asian communities there are huge gaps between those who are skilled professionals who migrated over during times of oppressive political climate or limited opportunity and those who are economic immigrants (i.e. from the coastal regions). it seemed that all the asian americans i knew at yale had parents who were doctors, scientists, researchers.

xxp - I don't think the quotas work the same way now as they did back in the day where there were official quotas on the number of jewish students.

the landscape of asian in america changed dramatically after 1965 when the de facto ban on asian immigration was lifted by new federal legislation. coincidentally that's also around the time of the cultural revolution etc.

no they're soft quotas, and they're not reachable by law at most private universities. but it's been statistically proven that asian americans have to score 100-150 higher on sats than a white student to get admitted

white ppl r dumb

you're right though that the 'holistic' admissions process that lessened the focus on raw testing scores was implemented to keep the number of jewish students down

white people have other valuable things to offer universities, such as rich parents and lacrosse skills

it's been said that affirmative action or diversity concerns for underrepresented minorities takes away from spots for asian americans. that's not true. letting in more white kids takes away spots from deserving asian american students.

and everybody else. except white kids.

thank u all very much for listening. if u have any questions now is the time to ask

i am white btw

well there is a quota for white kids, it's just a big quota

yeah, we're not really taught to think of the admission of white kids as fulfilling a 'quota' - it's easier to assume that they got there by their merits & dedication to hard work & overcoming adversity

you post about college stuff a lot

this is v much a disinterested view from afar so caveat lector but american elite private college admissions both historically and currently seem centred on creating an ideal type of student coterie rather than seriously addressing socioeconomic disparity, so they seek a platonically apt proportion of this or that subgroup (not just races but athletes, legacies, science bros etc)

hence the headline figure of black students which might seem quite 'reasonable', even if there are a lot of people like my friend (the scion of nigerian oil trader) who mostly idled through school in england while the chance of someone going from whichever deprived inner city suburb to columbia is still fairly remote

also that guy in the commercial pronounced sour as "sow-wahh" whereas most americans pronounce sour as "sou-err"

american elite private college admissions both historically and currently seem centred on creating an ideal type of student coterie rather than seriously addressing socioeconomic disparity, so they seek a platonically apt proportion of this or that subgroup (not just races but athletes, legacies, science bros etc)

"platonically apt proportion" = 'diversity.' don't get me wrong, i'm a huge fan of the concept but i acknowledge that we really only talk about this stuff in terms of 'diversity' because we're no longer allowed to think about racial make-up in terms of remediation for past historical discrimination and continuing structural discrimination that still exists

the concept of diversity was iirc pioneered by harvard and other elite colleges in the 80s when it looked like racial quotas were not gonna be upheld by courts? i dunno if the ivy league ever practiced *real* affirmative action in their admissions.

it tends to just end up being mostly upper and upper-middle class kids of whatever racial background -- like when I went to college and realized how many of my classmates' parents were professors, all I could think of was "reproducing the means of production"

it's not in their economic interests to practice real affirmative action, it is good pr to practice a tiny bit

sow-ahhhh. sow-errrrr.

that is p much what 'diversity' means to white ppl, a heuristic to solve the aesthetic affront of having 100% white people, which might be predicated to some degree on guilt but isn't essentially about justice

saaarr

i think u meant to type 'white privilege' somewhere in that post ; )

an ideal type of student coterie:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9ppk5WpjmTc/TUeBRmxhPhI/AAAAAAAAE5M/3xdevScF9bI/s1600/Picture+3.png

missing the science bros

this is an early example of 'diversity' in a uk context

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2001/jan/07/uknews.theobserver1/print

the sentiment is 'this is embarassing'

anyway ill maybe offer another reason for my shift which is that maybe much more of the world snapped into focus when i started thinking about it in terms of privilege rather than Theory. maybe it's a false illusion! a stately pleasure dome that kublai khan did decree. *shrugs*

i mean, maybe its wrong to think about the west as being about the history of white supremacy that was practiced in some parts of the west as recently as 1988, a white supremacy that still finds itself embedded and fossilized in state policy and socioeconomic armatures that have carried on to this day, unconsciously and without agency but the effects are still there. maybe that's the wrong way to think about things. but a lot of things make sense 2 me now

i'm surprised it took you so long to realize this stuff

i was too busy thinking about wimsatt and beardsley

The fucking shit happened to this thread with all the first-year-uni wank wank wank.

well i'll be a person on business from porlock

everyone wakes up one morning and all the posters beginning with 'h' have just disappeared

wait

rip

i love it when australians post like that

australians on the internet seem more british than actual british ppl

maybe your new schtick is to be australian

i have an open invitation to visit my naturalized australian cousins, i think they think that i think australia is a bad place whereas irl i don't really have any strong convictions about australia

some of their wine is good, they had the vines who made for good lols in the mid 2000s before it was decided that laughing at the mishaps of an aspergers dude was Not On

that was a really confusing sentence because I thought the entire thing was about wine

yes that took me minutes to figure out

australia: tasty wines from aspie vines

the dude from the vines had aspergers? I had no idea

No excuse for them being shite, fwiw.

loled p hard at yellow tail on several occasions in the mid-2000s

http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww157/Swedernish/Untitled-1.gif

that's what it looked like

wait pissed jeans were on letterman?

he could not hold it

Top 10 reasons why incontinence is hilarious!

I like sarahell's schtick

dude fromt he Vines really does have Aspergers right?

In November, Nicholls faced assault and malicious damage charges at Balmain Local Court in Sydney,[20] he was accompanied by his brother Matt, and his manager and friend Andy Kelly.[4] It was revealed that Nicholls has Asperger syndrome, which is a neurological disorder of the autism spectrum.[20]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Nicholls

(trayce still otm tho)

k reading further I take that last comment back

except that his [contenderizer's] new shtick is essentially "i'm sorry i said anything"

― Mordy, Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:16 PM (3 days ago)

the time to register an objection has passed, but since this sunday morning gripe will wither unread, i figure what the hell...

though i've learned certain lessons along the way, i still feel pretty much exactly as i always have about most of this stuff. i'm more interested in discussion and argument for the sake of the ideas involved than i am in moralistic political positioning. i find ILX's hostility to dissent somewhat depressing, though i do enjoy the resulting dearth of outright idiocy. i don't regret the unpopular stances i've taken from time to time (and will likely take again). i am not sorry i said anything.

http://www2.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/nun_cilice_black_03.jpg

harsh but fair imo

kinda hot tbh

dearth of the idiocy

The new star wars movie

can someone suggest me a new schtick?

leave and never come back. it'd be a big hit around here

^^^this guy should adopt a professorial schtick imo

angry4ass

no no, he's had his 'u dicksnorkeling heeb' phase, time for something a little more grown-up. a little more...Ask Doctor Ass

nah i doubt anyone would notice if i left

Desperate Emo Question is that way

I would like Dr. Morbius to start reviewing video games.

oh yeah seconded

Your search - "dicksnorkeling heeb" - did not match any documents.

oh shit, 77

guess that's me done then, adios all

yo what should my new schtick be?

no more cuteness. none.

someone's schtick should be a hyperdefensive "bronie" (brony?)

he who smelt it dealt it...

oh, i already called "not it" you just didn't hear me

Brody

ok i'm a non-cute hyperdefensive bronie and who are you to judge me for loving my little pony or having an ugly face?

there we go. i think this will be a good schtick for you everyone loves defensive people and bronies

but seriously, it's not a huge ask

http://25.media.tumblr.com/93c57c347ac6e8f4c62c1286418befc2/tumblr_mjo51gyklH1rag167o2_250.gif

what is the significance of that taylor swift gif?

she's been part of my schitck around here for years

sweet.

Taylor's giffed

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/juicyfrt/644462_582305678460250_1256721707_n_zpse34e8b0b.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m79qo8JLUR1r1y7q4o1_250.gif

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m740x7sgb71qd9cvuo1_400.gif

Is she trying to make a heart shape? Looks like she's holding an invisible sandwich

second one much better

evolution of the taylor swift gang sign

itaylor swift has been improving her heart hand gesture technique with every new album. and it's only going to get better from here.

first one looks more like a mail slot

second one is rad

it's not easy to do that she just makes it look easy

who is Pat Finn?

seriously flopson, your "I really know about hipsters, Whiney can suck it." schtick was great.

I like flopson and hope he keeps on floppin'

hi flopson

xpost i am like... new, sort of. although i am going to make a pseudonym soon so i'm not posting under my real name anymore so don't get too attached to this identity

How about 'Pat Finnigan'? Then we'll know it's you again.

i already submitted a request. my new name will be "Treeship" if it goes through...

hey, it's me. this is my name now.

back to schticks i think my schtick will be a really non-commital, relativist type persona who sees both sides of every issue except, interestingly, political issues, where he is a hard left kinda dude

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don't ban me buzza. i'm still not a sock. and socks aren't even that bad doesn't everyone here love Banaka?

don't ban me buzza

loooooool

what trees hip / tell me tell me if u think u know

i don't think i know i chose this name because that was what i was listening to at the time and it seemed like a relatively empty signifier

treeship the story of a girl / who crieed a river and drowned the whole world

Dudes, I love y’all and I'm a huge fan of ILX whether I’m posting here or not, but seriously. This has become massively fractal and out of control.

I’m not a sock puppet. If you don’t believe me, do a search for “three handclaps,” which was the username I posted under here back in Fall 2007 when I was a junior in college. There’s a thread I started about Yankee Hotel Foxtrot and several threads about rock criticism, the same kind of stuff I post about today. I eventually took a break from the board and lurked for over a year, returning to post as “kshighway” earlier this summer. Many people started to criticize me for unironically, enthusiastically posting about indie rock and other related topics; while I understand that attitude, I find it difficult to believe that the people who were knocking on me couldn’t conceive of the fact that a 22 year old who had just graduated from college had a taste in music that adhered to the indie canon. (I also started topics on ILE such as Living in a City without a Car: Classic or Dud and S/D: Contemporary Continental Philosophy. Why someone would sign up for a message board and start both of those threads as a joke makes no sense to me. Anyway.)

In early September, I decided I was spending too much time here and not getting enough out of it anymore, and like many before me I quit the board. I changed my password to a set of random characters so I wouldn’t be tempted to log back in again, and I stopped reading the boards completely. I eventually started to lurk again, following my P2k thread among others. I saw people start to mention my username, and I decided I wanted to come back and start posting here. Apparently electricsound denied my registration request for “kshighway1” because he thought I was someone else trying to impersonate me; that makes sense considering the circumstances. I wasn’t sure if something was wrong or not since I wasn’t receiving a confirmation email, but I persisted in signing up, someone eventually accepted my registration, and here I am again.

I would really appreciate it if people would back off on the whole sock puppet thing and let me post. I’m as tired of all the meta-bellyaching as many of you must be, and I’d rather focus on doing my best to contribute to threads concerning stuff I’m excited about from now on rather than answering unprovoked attacks.

Thanks everybody.

do you think that i am kshighway?

loool

xp also looool

he doesn't seem that bad anyway. i sympathize with his perspective. sorry i had to change my name but i decided it was dumb to have my real name up here, much as i admire the transparency of ned raggett and others

New schtick please. Mine's broken.

Someone should switch to a geir schtick

why does cankles hate flopson, flopson's all right & reads good books?? iirc

flopson is all-around a good guy, don't know if cankles has a particular beef or was just being a jerk for the hell of it

RIP kshighway

how long until pat finn posts exclusively in justin bieber gifs?

noted sock puppet Pat Finn

sock puppet, echo chamber, wtd

i mean, i prefer "renowned heteronymous trickster" to "noted sock puppet" if we're being picky

lewis jager should drop this non-posting schtick in the one three imo

― first u get the flower, then u get the honey, then u get the stamen (darraghmac), Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:27 PM (9 months ago)

glad this new schtick was adopted!

ppl ought to take note of my advice more often tbh

they should lynch more suspected paedophiles?

xp - it would make the dating threads far less dramatic

if ppl want drama they can have it. seems they do. not my problem, the advice is there.

xp only if they're fairly certain ya

an all time xp

i think i p'd before i x'd there did i, oops sorry suspected paedophiles love y'all really

schlump you're another could do with posting more tbh, wtf

gonna mainly post twin peaks anigifs in 16

annie gifs

Any gifs

Someone suggest me a shtick

Recommend mundane hobby as solution to any gripe or request for advice

Someone suggest me a shtick

you are a somewhat naïve teenage Australian lad, enamored of the glitz and excitement of the big urban hotel chains catering to upper middle class travelers, whose life's ambition it is to become a bellhop at such a hotel.

silby in a trilby

http://serijskiubojica.tportal.hr/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/dana2.gif

Straight edge is so what? Late 80s/early 90s?

going by the haircut, early 90s

this look is back

I never left it

great look

<3

your new schtick should be extremist canadian nationalism that every so often is mistakenly supplanted by extremist canarian nationalism

*googles Canarian politics* Ooh, FREPIC-AWAÑAK would be a great username

que los canarios hablan como sudakas coooñoo

silby i see u

wouldn't call it shtick I'm just out of my gourd

it is p weird to discuss cultural inclusion while making first hand knowledge of unabridged theoretical texts a prerequisite, imo. to build on my enduring signature ilx schtick of standing up to defend ignorance, it seems like pedantic pulling up the ladder to the treehouse behaviour to me to deny the currency of naming authors as shorthand for certain broad sets of ideas; these things aren't binary & still exist (as ... texts) and influence varied, personal conclusions, at whatever level (repping here for the enriching effects of hours of considering just the title of against interpretation w/o ever reading it). demanding fluency or assuming ignorance is conversationally p limiting I think.

― daft on the causes of punk (schlump), Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:27 (seven years ago) bookmarkflaglink

does this mean, not to overstate the face/off aspects of this contretemps, that mordy and dayo are approaching this from almost the same position of disenchantment with academe? that one finds a measured personal/political epiphany away from ~the game~ and is able to enlist ilx in the same struggle, while the other seeks to revivify the argumentative elements of the university in the informal setting of ilx but finds ilx becoming less and less disputatious?

― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:27 (seven years ago) bookmarkflaglink

these two posts and these two posters tho

underrated schlump defense there of name dropping authors you've never read lol

name dropping authors you've never read is incredibly good and everyone should do it all the time

- adorno

I've never read Adorno but I think I have a pretty good idea about what he was on about.

schlumps point there comes across out of context as maybe defending that, in context i think i read it as more of a criticism of namedropping these authors and writings as a method of claiming a discussion is closed or w/e anyways

plagiarism is good, namedropping is a courtesy

comes down to whether you come to ilx to agree, discuss, convince or fight

maybe add learn/abuse in as options before we poll it

xp silby -- sorry you should stfu about everything except computer programming until you have read Adorno, whose writings I wrote essays about at the Ivy League university I attended and graduated from btw.

oh no

more like adore? no!