thread for the movie JACK REACHER (cruise, pike, herzog, duvall, dir. christopher mcquarrie)

its fucken badass, peace

remnants of these books will be all that remain when the ashes of america are combed over by the cockroach-lizards, and it will be enough, quite enough

Child also said, "Reacher's size in the books is a metaphor for an unstoppable force, which Cruise portrays in his own way."[5] Of Cruise's relatively small stature, Child said, "With another actor you might get 100% of the height but only 90% of Reacher. With Tom, you'll get 100% of Reacher with 90% of the height."[6]

hell yeah. 100% reacher baby.

Reacher is 6' 5" tall (1.96m) with a 50-inch chest, and weighing between 210 and 250 pounds (100–115 kg). He has ice-blue eyes and dirty blond hair. He has very little body fat, and his muscular physique is completely natural (he reveals in Persuader, he has never been an exercise enthusiast).

stoked 2 c

reviews are shitty, H4A likes it, done

i have free tix for this, will take mother in law (she loves the books)

i like cruise in action movies, have a feeling this will be good

i hear that a lot of Reacher die-hards are pissed that cruise is in this, but they should get over it because he rules in it!

for anyone who's interested in this kind of thing, this is a really awesome man movie/procedural with some of the best action scenes ive seen in years (in particular, the best shootout I've seen probably since No Country For Old Men). the reacher character is totally ridiculous, but the movie knows it and has fun with it. if i have any gripes, it's that it's not rated R and that werner herzog could've used another monologue or two.

reviews are shitty, H4A likes it, will probably see it

http://i.imgur.com/LmdJ1.jpg

h4a seal of approval

interest in this declined a bit when it got a 12A certificate otherwise i'd've been up for it cos i don't give a fuck about the books

My first thought when I saw the trailer was "if this was rated R and starred Jason Statham, I'd be totally on board." Even with Cruise, if it was rated R, I'd still be in. I've read a few of the Reacher books and they're goofy as hell - one step above Mack Bolan novels. But the utterly cold-eyed brutality of the Reacher character is somewhat interesting, so I could see it working. I'll probably catch up to this when it hits Amazon Video.

i'll be seeing this, no prob with cruise as lil reacher

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/59895

This is the dumbest and most poorly written review I've ever read, so I at least can thank Jack Reacher for that.

Holy fuck, that was junior-high-school-newspaper level bad writing. The first paragraph almost made my eyes bleed.

i love the books! who knew? i never ever read anything like the lee child books. but they are totally addictive. lil' man is the dumbest thing ever. but even though i hate the cruise i would watch on netflix. i think the books are actually really well-written for the genre. he does minimal so well. they are like 3 steps above mack bolan stuff.

statham would have been an improvement. my dad and i thought someone like liam neeson would have been perfect but he's too old. and after watching the walking dead this year i thought this guy would have been perfect:

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/David-Morrissey-The-Governor-The-Walking-Dead-AMC.jpg

i got given a copy of the reacher book the movie is based on. looking forward to reading it - wasnt child involved with the prime suspect tv series at some point iirc?

i know he worked in t.v. but i don't know what he did. makes sense though.

i liked his new york times thing a few weeks back.

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/08/a-simple-way-to-create-suspense/

Grant joined Granada Television, part of the UK's ITV Network, in Manchester as a presentation director. There he was involved with shows including Brideshead Revisited, The Jewel in the Crown, Prime Suspect, and Cracker. Grant was involved in the transmission of more than 40,000 hours of programming for Granada, writing thousands of commercials, news stories, and trailers.[9] He stayed with Granada 1977-1995[4] and ended his career there with two years as a trade union shop steward.[10]

After being let go from his job because of corporate restructuring, he decided he wanted to start writing novels, stating they are "the purest form of entertainment."[11] In 1997, his first novel, Killing Floor, was published and he moved to the United States in the summer of 1998.[7]

Cruise is really f'n funny when he does the Sherlock Holmes routine. The rest of the movie is nothing that wasn't done better in the NRA "press conference" last week.

reacher books are waaaaaaaaaay into guns. fetishistically. makes and models and everything about them. reacher is an expert. so your mileage may vary as the kids like to say. doesn't bother me. i'm a fiction fan, not a gun fan. i like horror movies too.

you know he doesn't make a big deal about it or anything but reacher WAS the only non-marine to ever win the elite marine sniper competition in the history of the competition. hahaha! i love those books....

killing floor would make a brilliant movie

i think christopher ecclestone in '28 days later' mode woulda made a good reacher

mmm ecclestone

H4A OTM.

This was pretty entertaining, believe it or not.

it's sorta like 'a few good men' with way more assbeatings and car chases

my spidey sense told me it would own because of mcquarrie. way of the gun wasn't a great movie, but the filmmaking approach pushed all my buttons - patient and methodical with a wry, nasty sense of humor and some great visual storytelling moments. that sensibility mostly survives his mainstream debut intact, though obviously JR isn't as bloody or profane as WOTG.

statham would have been an improvement. my dad and i thought someone like liam neeson would have been perfect but he's too old. and after watching the walking dead this year i thought this guy would have been perfect:

noooo, no britishes playing this american he-man. it'd be like burt reynolds as james bond

'way of the gun' was a pretty tight flick, definitely imo better than 'the usual suspects'. super-controlled and methodical, otm, reminded me of johnnie to's 'the mission' a bit.

mcquarrie has his flaws but he's one of those guys who really seems to "get it" and operates within a particular method so well. his own directorial work (based on the single film i've seen, tbqh) is better than his writing for other folks.

reacher is german iirc? or quite a bit german

i tried watching WotG once but the opening 20 mins felt so deliberately pretentious I couldn't stand it

maybe I will give it another try

super-controlled and methodical, otm, reminded me of johnnie to's 'the mission' a bit.

― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Sunday, December 23, 2012 5:38 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sold

"noooo, no britishes playing this american he-man. it'd be like burt reynolds as james bond"

britishers play americans better than americans.

"reacher is german iirc? or quite a bit german"

his mom was french. but the whole nomad thing comes about sfter he leaves the army cuz he wants to see america after living overseas his whole life. (his dad was a career soldier overseas and then he spent 20 years in the army overseas)

ya he was in germany as a kid, is what i'm sayin tho

https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/282331192118886400

reviews are shitty, it consumed Newt Gingrich's full attention at the cinema, done

i borrowed this richard brautigan anthology once & on the back there was this quote from a guy from the nyt book review saying "these books are fun to read" & it just seemed like such an impossibly childlike & pure appreciation for a cultural text, one so slight it was hard to imagine someone who reviews books using it to proffer an endorsement, & i didn't think it could be topped until i imagined newt in a suit & tie with a bag of popcorn on his lap, smiling glassily with his head almost uncomfortably raised, like a ventriloquist's dummy, the reflected light of the screen casting dancing shadows on the soft curves of his face, never thinking about anything other than jack reacher for a whole movie

yeah im with you omar. i dont much like Usual Suspects either, but i think of it as a "cold shot" for his shit to come (little ref to the motion picture Jack Reacher, based on the book Jack Reacher, for u guys)

VG - it probably does come off as somewhat affected these days. i havent seen it in a long time. i think theres some good stuff in there if you stick with it though

darragh hes half-french, half-american, 100% reacher. iirc.

jack reacher, cosmopolitan

raised a child of the world

half frog, half yank...all man

called frank

lol

he feels like he doesn't know his country very well. so he's gonna kill his way through it and see the sites. it's pretty poetic.

Ugh, this movie. Almost didn't make it through to the end. Not much fun seeing a guy who is always the smartest and strongest in the room. (And I'm a fan of Haywire, Parker novels, etc.)

a reader of the books suggested Alexander Skarsgaard

My dick suggests Alexander Skarsgård for everything ever.

yr dick otm

I want .gifs of all the women in this movie making eyes at Jack Reacher.

my review: if you see this one on the shelves, "reach" for another movie

or "jack off"

wait.

k kinda stoked for this

actually like the books - started them when i ran out of parkers and wasn't too impressed by the first one but the second grew on me

i guess i like hyper-alert protagonists in my crime fiction

fun watch, really horrible first 20 mins or so

I'm chinese so I know real chinese food

I would have enjoyed seeing Dwayne Johnson in the role.

The Reacher books are ridiculously violent but almost always fun. Child keeps the crazy action moving forward at all times. In the books you get everything from Reacher's point of view (a few are in first person). Much of the entertainment comes from watching the wheels turn as he makes Holmes-like leaps of deduction or exhibits idiot savant tics like always knowing the exact time. His limited comprehension of non-military human beings is often played for laughs. I'm not sure how any of that comes across in the movie ... I'm afraid it might involve Cruise acting even more insufferable than usual.

His limited comprehension of non-military human beings is often played for laughs

He and Kubrick did this better in Eyes Wide Shut.

there's a lots of job stuff in the books. i, for some reason, like reading about people doing their jobs? because i am sick and this country has ruined me. i swear there was one book where they must have had 50 meetings in FBI conference rooms. they were constantly getting on and off elevators in washington dc. for some reason this soothes me. so many special angents in the books. and sheriffs. they're big on rank. and the differences between govt. agencies.

I have One Shot at my desk, I shall begin reading today

In one of the ones I read, Reacher was obsessed with the perfect cup of coffee - a mug was too big, so the coffee would cool off before he finished drinking it, but this one type of diner cup was too small...it came up like five times in the course of the book and went from weird to hilarious to maddening.

I would love a 90 minute movie of nothing but Tom Cruise and barista Steve Buscemi working on a perfect cup of coffee. Jamusch directing, obvs.

ya more procedurals please hollywood, let's have an imax new yankee workshop

not enough coffee drinking, and only one breakfast-eating scene

still, not as bad as I was afraid it would be

it would work better for viewing at home, where one could take a drink every time a female character gazes longingly at Reacher

the number of women who can barely restrain themselves from pawing at his pecs is pretty hilarious

this was a totally boring waste of time

iirc the no music car chase was ok i guess

ritically panned

I am halfway through the One Shot book and I kinda like it! It's a bit ugh in places but he's a v intriguing character

Reacher is 6' 5" tall (1.96m) with a 50-inch chest, and weighing between 210 and 250 pounds (100–115 kg). He has ice-blue eyes and dirty blond hair. He has very little body fat, and his muscular physique is completely natural (he reveals in Persuader, he has never been an exercise enthusiast).

― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Sunday, 23 December 2012 15:07 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I'm sorry but this sounds so much like gay porn it's kinda ridic

Also lol/rmde that all his descriptions of women's clothing makes them sound like they're all dressed to mirror 80's porn scenarios; sexy librarian, sexy lawyer, party girl...it's so bad. I'm picturing them all with huge perms

lol i just saw this, it... wasnt good... but there were scenes where i kind of appreciated what they were trying to do i guess

they were reaching huh?

Also lol/rmde that all his descriptions of women's clothing makes them sound like they're all dressed to mirror 80's porn scenarios; sexy librarian, sexy lawyer, party girl...it's so bad. I'm picturing them all with huge perms

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, January 15, 2013 4:33 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

lol

Jesus Christ, this movie. The opening is five minutes of actually pretty artfully-designed and dialogue-free storytelling showing a horrible crime and the subsequent investigation which leads to the capture of a suspect. These scenes are immediately followed by chunks of hackneyed expository dialogue outlining precisely Jack Reacher's history and motivations.

A major plot point hinges on a Sinister Corporation sending a henchman to follow our hero in a car registered to that same corporation and tipping off our heroes to their Evil Plan. Guess that was easier than hiring the goons an untraceable car from Hertz or whatever?

It's so fucking long. Like, it just keeps going. On and on and on.

Tom Cruise actually says these words: "I'm not a hero. I'M A DRIFTER WITH NOTHING TO LOSE".

still, the car chase is pretty cool i guess i dunno

Tom Cruise actually says these words: "I'm not a hero. I'M A DRIFTER WITH NOTHING TO LOSE".

you say that like its an argument against the film

haven't seen the movie but these books are shamefully addictive. bought one at walgreens on vacation and ended up getting 2 more

i forgot to ask s1ocki why he didnt like this. its basically a slightly classier version of a golden age Steven Seagal movie, i guess that wouldnt be everyone's thing

after reading the book I don't see how this movie could fail at delivering at least the basics of the plot

plus the car he drives in the trailer looks badass

It's an episode of 'How Did This Get Made?' waiting to happen. Ideally guest-starring Paul F Tompkins as Werner Herzog.

haven't seen the movie but these books are shamefully addictive. bought one at walgreens on vacation and ended up getting 2 more

― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:40 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

they are!

It's an episode of 'How Did This Get Made?' waiting to happen. Ideally guest-starring Paul F Tompkins as Werner Herzog.

― bizarro gazzara

OTM

Girl, trying to pick our hero up in a bar: "I'm Sandy."
Unimpressed Jack Reacher: "So was I."
Girl looks confused
"...last week. I was at the beach."

OH SNAP!

yeah terrible sub-dad-level jokes itm

Cigarette?
Yes, I know.

I barely knew her

hi cozen!

i barely her

lol i just saw this, it... wasnt good... but there were scenes where i kind of appreciated what they were trying to do i guess

― zero dark (s1ocki), Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:31 AM (3 months ago) Bookmark

Yeah, it was overlong and boring with ludicrous dialogue but there were hints of the old-school, muscular action movie it wanted to be. The bit with the incompetent goons smashing up the bathroom while they tried to get Reacher definitely had the McQuarrie touch (shades of the fountain scene in Way of the Gun). They guy does have an amusingly sick imagination when he puts his mind to it

this was entertaining enough but not great, if it had been a little bit worse it would've been a seagal movie and if it had been a little bit better it would've been a mcqueen movie and either option would've been more entertaining i think. the mystery aspect was uncompelling and kinda obv. cruise was fine but i think the movie needed someone more perfect for the role and i'm not sure who that would be right now, any other plausible candidate would've added a note of humor to reacher i'm really glad he didn't have.

ive decided this is a total Dad Movie, i just need a test audience of Dads to find out for sure

you're gonna need a bigger Dad

yeah i think in the 70s you might've had a suitable actually conservative action star to really sell it, the gun fetish, the sexism, the disgust for civilian hypocrisy and corruption you get in some lifer military types really should've been more defined, if this movie was half the movie it should've been it would've made me twice as uncomfortable to watch it. you need a 40 year old eastwood as jack reacher for this to work.

it also really really felt like a backdoor pilot, the two hour sunday night movie they'd use to introduce the series esp at the end w/ the 'where do you go now' and you now rosamund pike's not gonna be in the actual series (there'll be a new version of her every week and good riddance here tbh) but duvall sure to be back in the noah beery on rockford files slot.

Doesn't touch First Blood as far as unwanted drifters.

if this movie was half the movie it should've been it would've made me twice as uncomfortable to watch it.

that makes sense actually, even while i was enjoying it i had this sense that it was afraid to follow the premise of the Reacher character to its logical conclusion. and the thing is that a lot of libs seemed to really hate this movie, its too unreconstructed, so they might as well have gone all the way with it anyway

i think that approach still could've somewhat worked with cruise, but he would've needed to be pushed outside his comfort zone a little more and i get the sense that these days he's even less of a risktaker now that his star power's on the wane. i dont know who out there today fits the bill of 40 y/o eastwood best, i suspect no one really

i usually like when movies arent set in LA or new york but there was something very low rent and direct to video about the pittsburgh setting here

that was one of my fav things about it, the low-key and ordinary settings. reacher goes to an AutoZone and talks to the girl from the bar in a drab backroom office; reacher goes to a very pittsburgh-looking drug house; reacher has a final showdown in an empty quarry with a few trailers. it's true to the character of the city and also to the vibe of everyday middle-american life. and its all nicely shot by caleb deschanel

99% of direct to video action movies are made in bulgaria or romania

haha that's true, i have a cinematographer friend who's always shooting sci-fi movies in romania

I am totally convinced this movie is playing at some kind of meta commentary on action movies and inevitability in genre. There is literally NOT ONE moment where Reacher appears to be in any actual danger - they establish this pretty quickly with one of the more silly "hero fights off a gang of goons, one goon at a time" streetfights ever staged. Cruise gets to say PREPOSTEROUS dialogue (see examples above) that couldn't possibly make anyone think he's cool/sexy/tough. But it all flies in this universe, and we get to have fun with some well-choreographed action and a movie star being extra movie-starry (even the casting of Cruise feels intentionally trollish to the genre).

I don't know; I'll admit it's half-baked but I think there's something here. Either way, it's a blast. Herzog is fantastic.

herzog was clearly on set for like 3 hours max total

i liked the herzog-folds-three-fingers-down special effect they used on his mangled hands. also richard jenkins as worst dad.

There is literally NOT ONE moment where Reacher appears to be in any actual danger

not true! the quarry shootout is my favorite sequence in the movie because of this. there's like, 4 guys with guns and he has to come up with a crazy plan and use positioning, cover & suppressive fire to just barely get through it by the skin of his teeth. it's tense and really atypical for a movie shootout, which most of the time are just comprised of shots of dudes firing at offscreen targets until the bad guys arbitrarily die, and in which the good guys never seem to actually be afraid of being hit by bullets. it's a methodical little mini-story of geography and danger and adapting on the fly (by the good & bad guys, refreshingly)

iirc i think herzog's fingers were actually an amputee standing behind him with his arm like poking through herzog's armpit

this was good but not as good as i'd hoped but not as bad as y'all said it was ok. last 20 mins a bit silly, first 100 mins quite silly. pike is rrrrowrrrr cruise's belly is strange.

iirc i think herzog's fingers were actually an amputee standing behind him with his arm like poking through herzog's armpit

Funnily enough that wasn't written as part of the character, Herzog just showed up on set with an amputee

Herzog wasn't very good in this

I watched this a couple of weekends ago

I was disappointed and surprised by how BORING it was. I dunno if it was lack of music or dialogue or something but there seemed to be whole sections where people just kinda wandered around not talking. I liked the way the car chases and action was filmed for the most part, it just seemed a bit more, idk, laid back? That's not the right word but almost all the intensity of the story was kind of gone from the movie I felt. Like, I couldn't put that book DOWN to find out how it all played out...but somehow the urgency was missing on screen.

Cruise was good inhabiting the personality of Reacher, in general, but when he really had to put the screws on and be threatening he just seemed more whiny and pleading than menacing

(spoilery stuff here. sorry but I gotta)

I didn't like the way they rearranged the story so that the lawyer finds out Banks had amnesia at the END. Made no sense to me at all.

I quite liked Herzog though.

i watched this on a plane, i liked it more than i thought i would

cruise was good, made me forget that he was tom cruise a lil', i thought he was wearing a prosthetic nose, i guess i never realized how big his schnozzer is, or maybe there are just a lot of shots of him in profile.

i guess what never meshed for me and added a touch of the bathos was herzog as the siberian prisoner of war who chewed off 4 of his fingers and went blind in on eye, all so that he could ... bilk public funds by buying out locally owned construction companies. that was kind of lol for me

when herzog's guys fuck up and they're in the car, and herzog calls them and lets them know they've fucked up, and the driver just goes 'fuck!' and you can clearly see his mangled and dismembered hand. that was lol

i was confused that you could get fingerprints off a coin. i woulda thought they are handled so much that all the fingerprint oils just cover the coin in a fine sheen

i guess what never meshed for me and added a touch of the bathos was herzog as the siberian prisoner of war who chewed off 4 of his fingers and went blind in on eye, all so that he could ... bilk public funds by buying out locally owned construction companies. that was kind of lol for me

hah yeah i kinda wish they played up that contrast more

i liked the shootout in the quarrie, good concept. what was that one movie about enemy snipers? enemy at the gates? never saw that.

i lol'd when duvall acts as a decoy and cruise quietly comes out and shoots two of them in the back. cut to duvall "HAHA SUCK IT!!!"

i was so put off by tom cruise's nose in this movie that i decided to do a google search

http://i.imgur.com/MjGh6Ua.png

cruise has always had a big broken nose. thats how he and dustin hoffman played bros!

nose bros

nos

Friendzose bose? Nose. Alose.

ive decided this is a total Dad Movie, i just need a test audience of Dads to find out for sure

― turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 01:41 (4 months ago) Permalink

thumbs up from me

motivation of the herzog crew was a little murky to me but whatever. rosamund pike was good but there were scenes where her performance belonged in a romcom as an uptight lawyer learning to loosen up thanks to a handsome single blue collar dude.

thought this was pretty brutal for a PG-13 flick.

haha nice call on pike

mcquarrie has his flaws for sure but this has a lot of the elements more action films should make an effort to include, at least stylistically. and damn, the reach was so harsh on that decoy girl in the bar.

Also cruise's chest was uncanny valley weird.

he looks amazing for a 50-something but hes probably getting to the point where he should be judicious with the chest-baring.

I'm not sure why this movie was the one that made me first notice the schnozz. i was watching clips from mission impossible and damn it's pretty noticeable there too

my coworker who is consummate early 40s suburban dad thought this movie was the shit

We need .gifs of the bar gals making googley eyes at him.

(Cruise, not mh's coworker.)

why did the ppl at the bus stop help hide him. "white guy getting chased by cops? not on my watch"

fuck the police imo

zzz

hey so was the second of these like worth bothering with like at all

still gotta see the second J-Reach, it's streaming and i'm tempted. The first one was the most pleasant mainstream B-movie action surprise I've had in recent memory aside from A Walk Among the Tombstones.

the Zwick factor is a potential red flag though. Love me some Glory but he feels underqualified for the kind of "swift blow to the solar plexus" type filmmaking required in this very brief, and now i'm sure finished, franchise.

yeah thats my feeling exactly

watching three amigos instead

jack reacher 2 was a drag imo three amigos the right choice

Reacher 2 is awful

Cruise has since learned not to do a sequel without McQuarrie. Three Missions in a row, he’s signed on for Live Die Repeat Repeat, and on-set for Maverick 2, not starring James Garner.

McQuarrie is a pretty exceptional action director in a way that's a bit throwback, he's not a sloppy shaky cam guy who draws attention to himself, which is a gift that should be cherished. I also keep forgetting that Jack Reacher was only his second directorial credit, with the MI flicks being his third and fourth. I think a lot of folks maybe gave Bryan Singer the credit for him having a career but it seems obvious it should be the other way around, considering the skill level McQ is operating at vs the extremely boring and pedestrian career of Singer.

McQuarrie also came on MI: Ghost Protocol midway through production to rewrite & 2nd-chair direct

(this all escaped me until this year bcz I avoid Cruise, but after catching up on the last 3 am on the path to standom enough that I’m even considering watching a WWII pic directed by Singer)

I watched Three Amigos recently and to my shock and horror it was not holding up

I have so much Zwick malaise I still havent watched Reacher 2. I have it sitting on my dvr like the telltale heart but i just cant because I ~know~ i’m going to be a) bored or b) annoyed or c) both and I don’t want that.

McQuarrie’s really building a rep as a solid go-to for legit action, I am ~loving~ what he’s done lately.

The Paris car chase in the new MI movie checked so many boxes for me. Helicopter chase got kinda bloated & dumb but somehow the audacity of it still made it fun. And he’s kept this run so watchable! I do kinda miss having a diff director for each, but he’s doing such a good job it’s not a big quibble for me.

Then again, the bar for car chases is so low these days that i’m over the moon if i get to see how fast a car is going ~in relation to other vehicles~ instead of just dramatic music & closeups of tense faces.

There's a scene in reacher 2 where they kinda run slowly across a town square while being chased, and it is awful

https://youtu.be/siVcDJj1qyw
Endless running movie

ugh god i hate it i should just delete it off my dvr shouldnt i

Yes. Robin from How I Met Your Mother is a dreadful actor and it has zero Werner Herzog.

three amigos far better than id feared and robin from himym is an angel placed on this earth u savage

author of reacher novels:

"The idea is that when Reacher walks into a room, you're all a little nervous just for that first minute. And Cruise, for all his talent, didn't have that physicality.

"So what I've decided to do is - there won't be any more movies with Tom Cruise. Instead we're going to take it to Netflix or something like that. Long form streaming television, with a completely new actor.

"And I want all those readers who were upset about Tom Cruise to help me out - participate in choosing the right actor for the TV series. We're rebooting and starting over and we're going to try and find the perfect guy."

danny devito or gtfo

funny that the last Mission Impossible also has a Tom Cruise running scene that feels like a parody...but it's actually good

No idea why they don't just CGI scale up Cruise 150%

xenu forbids it

The idea is that when Reacher walks into a room, you're all a little nervous just for that first minute

So, a Jason Momoa type who can actually act. Has there ever been that person?

always saw christopher eccleston in the role when reading it

obv vince vaughn surprised everyone in cell block 99 but not sure he could pull off reacher (lol reacheround joke)

he couldn't even truly detect

need someone who can imply ex-military with their presence

Momoa’s a bit too UFC & kind of bro-y

Maybe Josh Brolin, Karl Urban, or Michael Cudlitz. Something in that wheelhouse.

I think Brolin would be good

thor hemsworth

i love him but for some reason my gut says no

Reading the books pre-movie, I was picturing the actor playing Dwight in "Haven", a Canadian wrestler.

Urban needs a win now Dredd and Trek are both cancelled. Plus he’s awesome.

I’ve only read the first book but my mind went to John Cena with Ice-T’s voice for some reason.

I like how cruise wasn't intimidating. Just a dude that had trained his body, genetic limitations on the surface, to hurt people. The tim lincecum of pain delivery.

I didn't read the books, though. It still feels like a director or producer issue. Tom was fine in the first movie. Bourne series was able to extend the joy for a couple more without recasting.

I didn’t have any prob with Cruise in the first movie. He compensates for the lack of height with his physicality & intensity. I bought it.

reacher isnt built fyi hes rangy

I've always thought Jack Reacher has a nickname for a serial sex pest ring to it and is very bad fictional name or maybe that's the point? I dunno. The author was on a q+a with fans on book club on bbc WS last week, he's a bit of a transatlantic Swiss Toni sounding wazzock.

i mean the books are absolutely by-the-kit bad fiction

theyre just very very easy, satisfying reads

and p much perfect for translation to tv/film

I listened to an episode of I don’t even own a television (the bad book podcast) that was about one of the books and the excerpts sounded pretty funny

haven’t seen these but want to check out for herzog’s acting at least

Similarities between Reacher and Lee Child[edit]

Numerous critics have pointed out the various similarities between Lee Child and Jack Reacher. Bryan Curtis, writing for Grantland, and Natasha Harding and Caroline Iggulden, in a separate article for The Sun, have brought out the various similarities between Child and Reacher: Child is 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) tall while his protagonist stands 6 ft 5 in (1.96 m); both writer and creation constantly consume coffee; Like Reacher, Child "lives in cheap pairs of jeans and T-shirts and finds the idea of buying expensive clothes to be irrational"; and that "Jack Reacher's famous physical qualities are based on Child's playground memories as a child".[1][7] Child tends to agree with such observations: "I was huge as a kid and Reacher's stature is me translated as a kid. I enjoyed being bigger and fighting shamelessly. I've done a fair amount of headbutting. It's an awesome manoeuvre."[note 1] Andy Martin notes that "just as Reacher is half-Rimbaud, half-Rambo, Child is both art-for-art's-sake Parnassian and ruthless businessman."[8]

So is he the male el James? Brit hack writing self-insert fanfic set in America?

hard to think of a well-over-6ft guy with a special set of skills running around coldly decimating all in his path, well anyway let's use Tom Cruise I guess.

Jack Reacher books are definitely the shittiest thing I love

Child is 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) tall while his protagonist stands 6 ft 5 in (1.96 m)

lmao the extra inch is a fucking amazing detail

on the WS show, in a very bad attempt at humblebrag he confessed that he had only been in one physical fight in decades, but mark my words the other guy came off much much worse etc...

hard to think of a well-over-6ft guy with a special set of skills running around coldly decimating all in his path, well anyway let's use Tom Cruise I guess.

lol otm

He should have called the character Jack Reechild

everything about the Reacher character was obviously conceived during his elementary school years of terrorizing small children. too bad about falling short by one inch, but that's what fiction can fix.

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2018/09/lee-child-and-naked-blue-team-up-for-a-jack-reache.html

yeah the books are super trashy

the descriptions of women’s clothing in particular were very 80’s playboy fantasy iirc (unless i’m mixing it up with some other author)

id have said they have a lot in common with straight-to-video mid 90s churn, insofar as a book can have production values

I've read a couple of these -- my first thought was he's a 21st C Travis McGee, but the comparison fell apart after "they're both tall."

when you've got movies like tom cruise in them you can't lose!

Voting for Jeff Garlin.

The tv version casting can’t be any weirder than John Krazinski aka Jim from the Office as Jack Ryan in that Tom Clancy Amazon thing

I mean, based on that we could end up with Michael Cera, who tf knows

That Jack Ryan thing was pretty good. Of course, I only ever saw about five minutes of The Office (US version) and hated it, so I had no cognitive dissonance happening.

Heh, Zach Braff IS

goldblum

streep

I could see Bradley Cooper, I guess. I mean, moreso than Paul Dano or Jesse Eisenberg

eurgh

josh brolin a few years ago mebbes

Skeet Ulrich

Frank Spencer

Bradley Wiggins

Michael Cera

we watched a ton of The Office, so the Jack Ryan tv show very quickly became known as "Jim Goes To Yemen" in our house

it got better as it went along, but at first it felt kinda terrible
then again a lot of Clancy is kinda that way for me

Jim Krasinski was also in that shit Benghazi flick

WmC otm re Jack Reacher and Travis McGee:

non-conformist lifestyle requiring frequent travel
intuitive with flashes of deductive genius
100% survival rate in homicidal hand-to-hand combat
experienced in dismantling criminal conspiracies without due process
attractive and helpful to women but poor at long-term relationships

btw McQuarrie now signed on to make another two Missions b2b, making seven Cruise vehicles in a row for him (and ten total)

hes a good handler for the lil fella

yeah this feels like good news

maybe one day they’ll give McQuarrie a Bond film?

i mean, once he’s released from Cruise servitude

gotta keep Tom busy to keep him out of trouble and not making public comments about scientology

true

praise xenu for mcquarrie’s service

maybe one day they’ll give McQuarrie a Bond film?

since they replaced the Hodge / Boyle script for the next one with the regular hacks, I can’t see the reins being handed on purpose to someone who’s good at both action & franchise management

also the Bonds suck so much now that it would be a step down for him. if Chris Morgan ever feels like opening up his solo credit on the already room-written Fasts though, McQuarrie’s gift for combining multiple setpieces, twist reveals & clear emotional throughlines should sell itself to Vin easily

(though one suspects McQ couldn’t hack working with him on a second one)

would it kill u to let me dream

Don't hurt me but I'd love to see a Russell T Davies Bond

Which is to say, I like McQuarrie and the IM films, but he's not kinky enough for Bond

jesus christ

i've "seen" reacher 2 three times because i watched it in earnest once, and then put it on so that i could fall asleep on the couch a couple times

it's an action movie so rote and uneventful that if i pay attention to it, i fall asleep within the first half hour

RTD Bond starring Hugh Grant. (He can fuck Whishaw again.)

i feel queasy

MODS

a russell t davies bond u say

i think i need to lie down

ALL of the leads of The Inbetweeners play bad guys this time

Barrowman = Felix Leiter, obvs, and then Geoffrey Wright can be Bond. In the next movie everyone swaps roles again.

Barrowman =

OK I'm out again

Reacher 1 is better than any post-Casino Royale Bond flick, why sully this thread by bringing up a recently inferior franchise.

I haven't read the books but the Reacher movies do understand that we don't need to know a whole lot about Jack Reacher, which is overall an excellent stance

Put in JR1 tonight and couldn’t believe how boring it was, turned it off 50min in after there had been one (1) brief fist fight and 49.5min of Tom Cruise trying to solve a fuckin mystery, idgaf just punch ppl already.

That being said, the “I was sandy... last week at the beach” is truly one of the greatest dumb clunker lines in movie history, Wiseau-level genius. Very curious if that diamond was in the book or if Oscar-winning screenwriter McQ came up with it.

McQuarrie also came on MI: Ghost Protocol midway through production to rewrite & 2nd-chair direct

hold up, what now, how'd i miss this

Fight Club-era Holt McCallany would be a good J-Reach.

Had no idea McQuarrie worked on Ghost Protocol. I just watched that tonight because I bought a Blu-Ray set of the first 5 M:I movies for $20 at Target. To me it felt absolutely like a Brad Bird movie: you could have animated every scene (especially the car chase through the sandstorm, using tracking devices) and put the Incredibles in and it would have worked just as well. And even the way the camera swept around the hotel room in Dubai was 100% Bird to me.

Yeah the movie is not v good. I watched it and Hanna last week and Hanna is so much fun

Oh yeah I loved Hanna. I coincidentally put on Ghost Protocol after I switched Reacher off and it hugely satisfied.

I own Hanna on DVD and could probably watch that once a week. That movie rules.

hold up, what now, how'd i miss this

I think it was secret until McQuarrie was doing press for Fallout - he doesn't fess up about his rewrite jobs, but Cruise had outed him so he was fine with going into details on one or two of the huge podcast interviews he did. IIRC he came on for a few weeks, some months into the shoot, & was restricted from writing reshoots on anything already in the can, but saw the locations and set designs for everything they hadn't gotten to. Within that he rewrote the Jeremy Renner character totally, threw out Bird's JJ Abrams-style mystery plot, changed the outcome of Michelle Monaghan's character, shot a load of second-unit action stuff to make the big UAE setpieces feed back into a new ending, and went off to another job.

(*I think it was in the six-hour Empire interview, but it's been taken off soundcloud, so yr on yr own)

On Ghost Protocol I came in on the middle of the shoot to do a rewrite of the screenplay, though they had already started the movie. I had to communicate with the entire staff to determine what I could and couldn't change, what sets had been built or struck, what scenes I could or couldn't reshoot. I learned so much about production being right there. ... The script had these fantastic sequences in it but there was a mystery in it that was very complicated. What I did was about clarity. The mystery had to be made simpler. It's like reaching into a sock and pulling it inside out. It's still a sock, still all the same pieces, but all put together in a different order.

Always se bullet. I don't understand.

quoted that because of the sock analogy, of course

Saw this one with family couple nights ago. Got to say that car chase in downtown Pittsburgh was a pretty good stunt scene. I think with how the shots were setup they were definitely going for that old 70s chase vibe.

ep 1 of season 2 is as surprisingly bad as season 1 was surprisingly good

incredibly hacky, hokey stuff

Yeah, it's not great so far. But they've posted 3 episodes, so I'll give it at least 1 more.

yerman as reacher is enough value to watch a few more but luckily its nit his acting that appeals

also look im just gonna ask....they cgi his face a *lot* right? im not just imagining that?

I think he just looks like that

idk s2e1 seemed fine to me?

if you take enough steroids your face just does that

happy to report episode 2 is back into the swing of things

ok im not imagining it

several of the faces are cgi rendered or enhanced in various scenes for no obvious reason

the food delivery kid in the failed drug deal sting in episode 4 looked like he was in the polar express ffs

It's common practice now to morph actor faces onto stunt doubles for fights but maybe they're also doing it for stand-ins just standing around so the actor can catch a few more Zs in the trailer?

its during like two line stand in actor roles as well as gairly iften for our main guy

mark ruffalos hulk is somewhat reminiscent

/fairly often/

catheter torture was uh…vivid lol

from the reachers i remember reading, season 1 book (killing floor?) was always the best ito how well it would translate to tv and after finishing s2 i think the source was a messy one to try to make work, but even at that they made a clumsy (hamfisted lol amirite) job of it

ends up being a lot of trailerable moments stitched together with very rushed and forced beats about why we care (we dont, or at least we shouldnt)

final showdown is particularly shite

6/10 im bored now, nealey actress and character 100% deserves a spinoff show now

Should have been Reacher, Nealy and Herc stopping a much smaller criminal plot. Reacher’s added team were dead weight.

i enjoyed the tension of the generic white small sassy guy being a total stick-on for a double cross for as long as it lasted but of course reacher couldnt have been seen to have been fooled that way either originally or in present day

btw if these things merit a comparative analysis (they dont i think) then season 2 mawkish sentimentality and trite refrains of the likes of u do not mess with the 100th (i dont think a single cast member over the whole show managed to deliver this line with anything except the disdain it deserved as a raison d'etre for the whole affair) i think that it veered far more heavily into the aviators, masturbation over uniform and frenz4lyfe after an armwrestle of tom clancy than the usually-quite-tight episodic cut and dried situational reacher novels (ofc they arent without some level of the above but not to the extent s2 in particular was)

I will happily watch yer man bulldoze his way through anything but this season was a slog. Obviously, the whole premise stretches credulity but it works best when it's isolated from the real world. This was way too real-world-adjacent and, despite the carnage, it never really felt like anything mattered or had consequences.

haven't seen the show but the neagley character that appears in a couple of the books is terrific and I always wished lee child had spun off a couple of books centred on her

Agreed. Persuader has been announced as the s3 book, fyi.