When Did Old-School ILX End and New-School ILX Begin?

using the ILX search function, i noticed that the first mention of "old-school ILX" was made in April 2003 (by bona-fide old-school ILXor Strongo). that seems a little TOO early though ... i'd put April 2003 firmly in the "old school" camp.

but when did this magical change occur exactly?

discuss differences etc.

the rise of the noise board and/or the decline of the noise board and/or registering required for posting?

between the end of the Chatterley ban and the Beatles' first LP iirc

please see "ESTEBAN BUTTEZ: The First Ten Posts"

Classifications used are too simple, iirc we are now nu^4

the rise of the noise board and/or the decline of the noise board and/or registering required for posting?

you are but a child!

when ilx was first invented, you used to have to put a shovel of coal into your computer five times a day, or anytime you wanted to refresh new answers. in 2001, we all pooled our coal together and created a zing!

whenever ppl stopped capitalizing things

I think there was a middle-school ILX that hasn't quite been defined yet.

*raises hand*

feel like there are a few ELE in the fossil record:

-rise/fall of LJ
-secret borad warz
-chaki?

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/richman-jonathan.jpg
I said the Old-School ILX may be dead
New posters can't understand
But I
Still love Belle and Sebastian
And I still love the Old Board

Currently ilx 5.0 iirc

That seems like mid-period to me. (xpost *2)

LJ did not fall he ascended

that seems a little TOO early though

no i was actually otm

i could do a phases-of-ilx post up to a certain point but i kinda lose the thread around 2008 and a lot happened between now and then that i'm not even really sure of.

ease of embedding images/youtubes is the pivot in my mind, when was ihttp introduced?

ease of embedding youtubes came w/ the redesign in 2006, iirc?

obv the true new-school ILX is STILL TO COME as any fule kno.

the true new ilx was within us all along

the true new ilx will come again in glory
to judge both the living and the dead
and its kingdom will have no end

ease of embedding images/youtubes is the pivot in my mind, when was ihttp introduced?

just as there's an argument that most genuine evolution in music stems from technology (electrification, the keyboard, the sampler, etc), this logic does seem to applicable to ilx - youtubes, the coding toys of jw, the s-ban

when i was saying good night to rufus last night i told him that sometimes i felt weird because it didn't feel like i was living in the present and that instead it felt like i was living in his past because so much time is spent later in life thinking about childhood and the dim memories you have of your weird father telling you strange things when you are trying to fall asleep.

<3

rufus is ilx3 imo

banning dom and ethan was pretty much the end of ILX's first golden era, and the beginning of our neverending nightmare of polling AcclaimedMusic.com lists, penning unnecessarily long "wacky" thread titles, and basically sitting around the campfire making smores and singing cassie songs

Two of the bigger ilx turning points I can recall:

* the advent of real user registration: no longer could anyone log in with any name at any time, and the (unverified and often false) email address associated with a poster's login name disappeared at the same time and 'display names' were added soon after. This allowed users to sort out who was in the pig pile.

* the introduction of the suggest ban and the tightening of moderation: ilx became less like the wild west and more like post-homesteading era; shit-stirring for its own sake dwindled down to a mere shadow and vestige of its once-mighty presence.

77

aimless's last bit feels pretty otm to me. when i came back from my latest vacation, in 2011 i was kinda surprised by how hugs-and-kisses things had gotten.

bring back sb, but with a 10 sb ban limit

man you guys sound like positive spaces are a bad thing

sitting around the campfire making smores

yes this sounds horrible, who could possibly enjoy sitting around a campfire having delicious snacks

man you guys sound like positive spaces are a bad thing

I think Whiney explicitly prefers combative environments to positive spaces? not meant as a dig I just ideologically he is happier when people are aggro w/one another

really I think ideological differences over the nature and purpose of social spaces is the question here and I demand a much more boring thread about it

I, for one, welcomed the adults stepping in to stop the eternal food fight. But it was a bit more that the founders of ilx grew up and got tired of mashed potatos in their hair.

i cant decide are clusterfucks more fun with butthurtedness or without, but we need the odd clusterfuck either way to keep the silt from settling on the bottom

i dunno about old vs new but the current era started around the time 77 became the nu-tittwis

What nu-ILX? Ned just posted something about Loveless.

The great continuum.

The longest way round is the shortest way home

I thought nu-ILX began in January 2005, with the inauguration of Bush and my arrival.

old-school ilx ended when i love everything was created

That's actually true.

When it left Greenspun. Maybe when Sep 11 happened as well.

Greenspun days were fun

Answer is though - no poxy fule

old-school ilx ended when i love everything was created

― crüt, Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:41 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

come to think of it, that is prob. the correct answer.

What nu-ILX? Ned just posted something about Loveless.

― Leopard Skin POLL-Box Hat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:25 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The great continuum.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:34 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The longest way round is the shortest way home

― Leopard Skin POLL-Box Hat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:36 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNb4VKln1uw

When I changed from Jeff-PTTL to just Jeff.

wait, tad, was my use the phrase "old-school ilx" before or after i became strongo? because frankly that right there is the dividing line.

founders of ilx are mainly long-gone to lj and tumblr. serious old ilx was v. small and friendly and discursive -- the rise of zing culture was arguably the first big shift. at a certain point i lost track of most people and i never really figured it out again.

Strongo:

old school ilx does it better in every way
― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, April 25, 2003 2:24 PM (9 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so, it was before!

xpost yeah the rise of comedy anon display names all around was probably a good marker of when we went from a small community to a place where ppl actually cared about protecting their identity -- also probably tied to, basically, the internet happening all around us. at this point ilx is probably one of the longest-lived online communities around. weird.

apparently I showed up here in 2002. I seem to have been completely oblivious to what most people consider milestones around here, however.

milestone 1- 2002: shakey shows up

didn't even know ethan was banned? what did he do?

03/05

we had this exact discussion recently but i can't find it

Longtime ILXors - how has this board changed over time?

btw just for anyone who is finding this thread boring because all the events referred to predate their tenure, just jump in & start posting about events that never happened; people will assume you were here before them & eventually your hasty hairbrained apocrypha will be absorbed into ilx lore. talk about when judas got 51'd; about the time a guy harvested ilx threads & sold their stories as a treatment for a never made movie; about the era when ilx happened like a telephone chatline, & you could call in through a couple hour window early every weekday morning & talk to other people who'd dialed in to talk shit about guitar bands.

talk about that time u met luna

3than was only tempbanned but he went through a portal to real life and never came back

iirc he got tempbanned after some imagebombing tantrum and then yeah just never came back

i wonder what it's like, out there

I do miss the wild days when shit felt out of control, everybody colliding like gas molecules, threads moving at chat room speed

the dividing line moves the further we through time. it's like on 106 & Park when they'd play an 'old school jam of the day' from 2003.

yeah it definitely seemed to move faster before. maybe that's a function of me not really being able to post during the workday, but i don't know. in 2005 to 2007 it seemed like we could easily get to 1,000 posts on something inane in the course of an afternoon. seems like it would take a real clusterfuck to get there now.

i wonder what it's like, out there

irl people are baffled when you say 'youtube blink 182's "i miss you" hahaha'

On that note I'm (very unfortunately) reminded of the "wdyll in yer underwear" thread. Dear god. It was like the Jonestown of getting yr kit off. What the hell was wrong with us.

boredom mostly

bookmarks probably had a huge impact on the board. probably more posting than ever, but less ppl paying attention to the top of new answers vs. sticking to their particular threads of interest. probably a good thing.

there's a notion now of like "if you think this show is terrible maybe find a different thread" and in the old days it would have been "board democracy! every thread is for a debate if something is great or terrible!" whereas now there's a sense that maybe if you don't click with a particular set of attitudes, or tastes, or w/e, then maybe just don't read that thread, and this isn't being not true to your "opinions" or whathaveyou, but instead just being polite and reasonable.

Well bookmarks and the new answers global thing as well. I'd forgot SNA didnt used to exist.

bookmarks def changed the way i use ilx

I have always had bookmarks but I think I came in at some sort of watershed moment because my first thread was a dupe mad men thread and icey imagebombed my thread and that was the firs and last imagebomb I ever saw here if you don't count newgod posting porn

Still dont use bookmarks. I do rely on the little open-circle dot tho.

And oh god I'd forgot about the newgod debacle! That happened daytime over here, I recall txting esoj to see if he could mod-attack it but he were at the pub.

i dunno about old vs new but the current era started around the time 77 became the nu-tittwis

― buzza, Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

slept-on ruthless otm posts I have lolled

i reckon 2005/2006 is the watershed

Who remembers that you 'had to' categorise your newly created thread/question?

"momus momus momus"

ilm
ilm/ile/ile-tittwis
ilm/ile/ile-tittwis/noise/
ilm/ile/noise/ire/itr/.../other boards
whatever the opposite of a singularity is
ilm/ile/noise/77/small boards
borads in decline
now

^ otm

facebook did ilx-9/11 tbh

mark g - most people didn't so mark s had to

at some point everyone's usernames changed and i no longer knew who most of you were. that's when it went from old school to nu school.

probably skipped over a few important events & got a few things out of order:

-Freakytrigger Q&A era. posters talk a lot about madonna and radiohead and fret about what's going on with "indie."
-ile created, first thread is basically a wdyll thread.
-around this time (2001-2002) there's a huge surge in traffic to ilx & the oldest version of "old ilx" has ceased to be
-noize infiltration / sub-boards populate the ilx landscape / 1p3
-guess papers
-POLLS! / new reg system / guess papers RIP
-lunagate
-77 / meta on Ask Chaki
-youtube embeds
-RIP jon/dom/chaki/ethan
-ILM long poll mania. posters talk a lot about madonna and radiohead and fret about what's going on with "indie."

http://www.youtube.com/user/TitTwins

What are/were "guess papers"?

a feeling

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Biz_markie-mika.jpg/220px-Biz_markie-mika.jpg
They caught the guess papers

http://www.guesspapers.net

plzz give me the guess papers of maths n physics jaldi b,coz my paper is on 8 may 2013 n physics is 10 may plzzzzzz reply me soon i m wating okies bye plzzzzzzz reply me soon

What do you understand by capacitance of a capacitor. Derive an expression for the capacitance of a parallel plate capacitor with some dielectric between its place?

physics xii makes the ap look like a cakewalk.

no Aja/Dante, no credibility

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lh90rbx30T1qz4axuo1_500.png

"I'm gonna get the guess papers guess papers."

http://ajadante.ytmnd.com

probably skipped over a few important events & got a few things out of order:

-Freakytrigger Q&A era. posters talk a lot about madonna and radiohead and fret about what's going on with "indie."
-ile created, first thread is basically a wdyll thread.
-around this time (2001-2002) there's a huge surge in traffic to ilx & the oldest version of "old ilx" has ceased to be
-noize infiltration / sub-boards populate the ilx landscape / 1p3
-guess papers
-POLLS! / new reg system / guess papers RIP
-lunagate
-77 / meta on Ask Chaki
-youtube embeds
-RIP jon/dom/chaki/ethan
-ILM long poll mania. posters talk a lot about madonna and radiohead and fret about what's going on with "indie."

― crüt, Sunday, January 27, 2013 1:01 PM (53 minutes ago)

Could probably add
Ricardo the troll
Freaky Trigger Xanadu shutdown

but those are just personal favorites not epoch-changing events

For what it's worth I've been posting here since I think late 2005 and I can't say I've noticed any big changes, so I think the switch must be before then?

FAPs
Dada

Were polls before lunagate

Belle And Sebastian
Missy Elliott
Brooks & Dunn
PSY

have barely ever looked at any tittwis or tittwis-type threads here in the last 10 years or whatever. feeling kind of glad about that?

guess papers weren't ever a that- big- thing

personal ilx timeline:

2001 - lurk and snark
2003 - personal lj period
2004 - ttitwis
2006 - oh shit real life can find me here
2007 - screw it, I'm homeless. hi dere.
2008 - oh I met a girl whatever, internet
2010 - ... but I'm unemployed so caution --> wind
2012 - lurk and snark

What about also defining epochs by the changes in server location?

- greenspun
- wh3rd.net
- paperthinwalls
- ???
- profit!where the server is now

I should include sandbox, too I guess.

sandbox era underrated imo

a strongo's life

2001 - earnestness and emoticons
2002 - increasing bitterness
2003 to 2004 - destroy all ilx
2005 to 2007 - a good way to pass the time at work
2008 to 2009 - perhaps i am finally free
2010 - wait, no, but like, only a couple threads, i swear
2011 - am i ever getting out of here
2012 - shit happens

2013 - transcends corporeal world, becomes being of pure light

See how many of these 'old skool' boards you remember...

The All Old ILX Board Archive!

Love this thread!

Chairman Meow--best cat name?

Pretty sure Luna was the turning point

Yeah, I asked about that one, apparently he wanted to create a new thread, but clicked on "create new board" and hadn't realised.

amazing that calum has not been mentioned yet.

Somewhere there's a bizarro universe where we're all still fiercely debating whether Chairman Meow is the best cat name or not - balkanised rolling threads with inter-warring factions, EOY polls based on cat names and variations on the spelling of "MEOW", many posters who are actually anti-cat name, etc...

Chairman Meow--best cat name?

otm

I guess L0u1s J4gg3r should be on my timeline too.

amazing that calum has not been mentioned yet.

And then you had to ruin it.

"2003 to 2004 - destroy all ilx"

haha, meanwhile i was lurking in 2003 and watching jess go to town and wondering if i could hang out in such an unruly environment.

old-school ilx ended when i love everything was created

― crüt, Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:41 PM (2 days ago)

lol sorry everybody

haha hey dude, what's up?

i killed ilx :(

2001 - earnestness and emoticons
2002 - increasing bitterness
2003 to 2004 - destroy all ilx

always felt like strongo had one of the fastest possible transitions from starting blogs named after post-punk tunes ---> grampa zing.

I know I have a bad memory, and am generally pretty unobservant, but what on earth where "guess papers" and "ttitwis"?

Personally I can remember joking about “nu-ilx” when I met NickB, and Julio I think, at the Slint gig in 2004, but I think it had been a thing people had talked about for at least a year or so.

DG!

Guess papers = threads started by randomly googling students asking for exam papers in broken English. Cue ilx0rs trying to incite more of this sort of thing.

Tittwis = "this is the thread where I say..." - usually rolling chatter threads that were overly pleasant for the zing crew, I believe.

tittwis was basically the same thing as "seriously though, what's happening with our board right now?"

one pound guess papers

guess papers are sample exams for public schools in India and Pakistan. back when the sub-boards allowed unregistered users, hundreds of random googler schoolkids flocked to IRE every winter and begged for free guess papers, and the IRE crew played along with it for teh lulz. all you really need to know about them is IM GEETIKA.

Thanks! Guess Papers still doesn’t ring any bells, perhaps I was ”on a break”.

let's not forget the era of ysi begging.

and fremme neppa w/e

Never forget.

I've always looked at the December 2006 - February 2007 exile in the sandbox, followed by stet/Keith's nu-code rollout as the single dividing line between old/nu.

sub-board mods immediately became less powerful, while sub-boards simultaneously became more visible (via SNA), followed by things like mandatory registration, polls, SB, and 77.

everything else (posters, memes, clusterfucks) are just points on a continuum

http://i.imgur.com/yCCK2Jp.png

otm

Old school ILX ended when sub-boards became a thing in the first place. Or when we moved over from Greenspun.

Actually I'd say that old-school ILX probably runs up until about 2004 and the creation of the Noize Board. There was a real marked tonal shift at that point. Middle period ILX is probably up until the new code in early 2008. Since then it's broadly felt like same place with the same group of posters, but they feel like three distinct eras.

let's not forget the era of ysi begging.

the fucking worst

new code was early 2007

GUess papers was a thing on one subboard about six people went on and no one else was involved with, I dont get how it is even remotely a big ilx "thing". Random googlers generally, sure. But to pluck that out you might as well do the same for hairdye advice or Dave Matthews.

there was something very specific about guess papers to 2005-2006 Internet in general though; where an unused thread on an abandoned board populated by people from English speaking countries suddenly made it to the front page of results for a term being searched by high school students in India and Pakistan.

it may have just been an in-joke for the IRE crew but it definitely spoke volumes on where ILX sat in relation the the rest of the Internet at large at that time

wasn't the hairdye advice thing the same though? one thread coming up in searches over and over again.

The hairdye stuff seems to have dropped off in recent years, while 8% of our google traffic still comes to SEXY PHOTOES

how exactly did Ask Dr. Freud get started? message boards got a little more boring and a little less chaotic once Yahoo Answers (and similar services) corralled naive advice-seekers into one place and capitalized on their naivete.

lol xpost

IRE still bringing it in '13

"guess papers" in my timeline was a stand-in for random googlers + subboard activity in the post-Aja/Dante era

Google search on "poxy fule" returns more than 23,000 hits. ILX originated pages dominate the first couple of pages I looked at. Of course. First noteworthy exception occurs on this page:

http://www.asexuality.org/en/topic/68311-everybody-dance-now-or-maybe-not/

statscock era feels like old-school.

"guess papers" in my timeline was a stand-in for random googlers + subboard activity in the post-Aja/Dante era

That I get with, it wasn't all that clear that was the implication, though.

guess papers were and are v important to me

new-ilx began when crut's voice broke

that would probably be around the time ILE was created, actually. before I posted though.

And just to be pedantic for a tic, we cant call the original board before ILE was created "old ILX" because it wasn't ILX back then, dammit, it was I Love Music ;P

http://kuci.org/~nraggett/nedwedding.jpg

Ha :) The ol' purple tie.

Sandbox was in 2007? Was there another sandbox time after that? How the heck was that 6 years ago?!? Jeez, I'm feeling old...

Old school ILX ends when Dan, Nicole and I stop posting on it.

Sandbox was seen once again in this quadrant at the end of 2011 iirc.

sandbox was off and on beginning in '06 but the extended period was december '06 - feb '07-ish

the dec '11 - jan '12 was an eerie callback to that era

the return of gabbneb

p3r.net was sandbox right?

no p3r.net was wh3rd.net, which was Andrew's server in Aus.

[quote]What is rockism?

[MARK S CAN YOU FILL THIS ONE IN!][/quote]

was Aeon Flux Top Level ever populated? i occasionally check to see if any squatters have quietly moved in but all i ever see is .....#

new-school ilx = the rockism question being taken off the FAQ

Actually I'd say that old-school ILX probably runs up until about 2004 and the creation of the Noize Board. There was a real marked tonal shift at that point.

OTM.

It's actually not just "zing culture" but the creation of a space on ILX with an ethos that felt significantly different from, and often antithetical to, the rest of the site. There were subboards before Noise -- I Love Books, Film, and maybe even Baseball predated it (probably others, too) -- but they felt more like natural outgrowths of the site as it was, with ILM as the existing model for specialized conversations. In its early days, the subtext coming from the Noise Board was that the space was, in fact, superior to the rest of ILX. If old-school ILX had a decidedly British slant, with even the Americans at least somewhat Anglophilic, the Noise Board was not only NYC-focused by default but those American Anglophiles were actively sneered at. I'm sure there's been a certain amount of cliquishness on ILX since day one, but the Noise Board was the first time I felt like, "Do I even belong here?"

These days, I think the existence of different ILX "crews," with different sensibilities and values, is taken for granted. And it's not necessarily a bad thing, either. Even though I did have some negative experiences with the Noise Board in its infancy, I ultimately like a lot of what it brought to ILX and don't know that I'd want to return to the days before it.

77

was Aeon Flux Top Level ever populated? i occasionally check to see if any squatters have quietly moved in but all i ever see is .....#

top level is empty but if you can get to the lower levels it's still pretty active

xxp Ha, also, I want to clarify that I was not one of those "American Anglophiles," btw.

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how do we know we're not in the early phases of a new era of ilx

The Aimless Era?

the golden oldie years begin here and now

these are the halcyon days

These are the days my friends and these are the days my friends.
Could it get some wind for the sailboat. And it could get those for it is.
It could get the railroad for these workers. It could be a balloon.
It could be Franky, it could be very fresh and clean, it could be.
It could get some gasoline shortest one.

The Era of Good Feeling?

r.i.p. heave ho's sexess.org era of ilx

http://couponclippintexan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Era-Fist.png

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Chuck_5d4cd1_2573518.jpg

http://www.first-stop.org/2011/04/22/ladder-to-sexess/