worst movie in the IMDb top 50

Inception vs. Forrest Gump vs. Usual Suspects

the lotr movies vs prob DKR

but they're both great as spectacle i spose

once again i gotta go gump

there's some stupid shit on this list and a lot of hackwork but that's still the only one that inspires actual revulsion

I thought spirited away was terribly boring and that dudes movies fail to inspire my inner child or w/e

lotr movies also terrible

much as I hate Inception and Usual Suspects neither of those films have quite the disgusting reactionary politics that underpins Gump

I would rather watch forrest gump 3 times in a row than the lotr movies in sequence

mostly just cause it would be over faster tho

Lot of great movies there...haven't seen six or seven, including #1. Among the others, the only one I flat-out hated was Fight Club; Raiders, Terminator, Inception, and one or two others didn't mean much to me. I'm glad the voters have given so much thought to Django Unchained.

lotr movies. at least gump had some amusing moments.

lotr is not all one movie guys

ya it's like 14 bad movies

look it's simply a grand spectacle and one of the singular achievements of our time*

*since jesus

return of the king is my pick. sorry return of the king fans.

I vote American History X

For some reason I thought IMDB had discontinued this list because of fraudulent voting--there was a time when there'd always be things in the Top 10 you'd never heard of.

lotr is not all one movie guys

i cant tell them apart!

what's the one with that battle scene

it's probably 'gump,' though lingering loyalty to zemeckis makes me want to find something else to vote for.

lotr was filmed together with the same moron casting orlando fucking bloomps and adding werewolf scenes

Gump, Shawshank and the LOTRs in a tangled top-5 heap.

return of the king is the one with the nineteen different endings.

American History X, easily.

TDKR easy

first two replies say it all, really

haven't seen gump but am quite compelled to vote for it on reputation. that said, christopher nolan. and the usual suspects was deeply, profoundly slow-witted. worst, most inconsequential hype twist ever. lotrs horrendous but jackson gets a pass for his early shit

iatee, did you cold vote for spirited away

ya but I regret not joining the lotr caucus as it looks like it might win

DR. STRANGELOVE

the 3 lotr movies vary pretty distinctly in quality

voted django unchained over the matrix

fellowship is the twee piper flautist one, two towers is the doom metal one, ROTK is the wagner nazi ghost one

there can only be one terrible movie to rule them all

o wait didn't see the dark knight rises, wow

think I really have to vote Nolan here tbf

Inception is the movie that gets worse and more anathemical to the true spirit of imagination and the unconscious every time I unfortunately think about it, but TDKR was a singularly sledgehammering experience, pinned to my seat and pelted with incongruous thematic masonry for one hundred and fucking fifty minutes

consider me torn

oh and re: LOTR, the first one was actually halfway decent but the second was so, so, so very dull that I didn't see the third, thank dickens

lol mr. snrub

i saw TDKR for the first time and i was kind of amazed, TDK was i thought excellent and pretty tight and focused for such an expansive superhero film, but TDKR was so sloppy.

first time recently

fuck back to the future

fuck to the future

that or django unchained, even though i havent seen django unchained yet

best is Rear Window by a fucking mile fwiw and fuiud

Django still really grates on me, but I want to let it sit for a few more months before I decide whether I'm irritated with the film or QT or what.

Shawshank is the worst.

Sunset Blvd the best, though Rear Window is probably second, followed by Kane, I reckon.

fellowship is magic until drunken sheepfuxor panto galdriel, also alarmed that elrond left his priscilla face on, but those two bits aside it doesn't deserve lumping in with the gak that is the second.

the third, as any real hedz know, is too short.

i never got what part of foorest gump ilx's collective balls clipped as it passed under them tbrr, i like it

rear window is the best movie on this list

back to the future is perfect. best are probably that, kane, spirited away, strangelove, RW, IAWL, and the two chaplins.

funny, i would rank them 2>1>>3, with all being good imo but the second being most compelling for some reason, maybe i just like the helm's deep shiz

inception sets up an incredible movie and turns into an utter dud, which is a huge pity

TDKR doesn't bother with that first part

derren brown slapping me with an old testament for three hours in a darkened room at least would feel like a personal vendetta rather than nolan's thundering granite bollocks

ahx is way worse than any of the lotrs or gump

city of god is one of the most widely liked movies that nobody really ever talks about. i dont mean that its underrated or like not visible, just that its one of those movies people like but nobody ever has anything to say about it

TDKR doesn't bother with that first part

The opening scene is so cool!

Fight Club. I love u David Fincher, yr my bro but I fucking hate this movie and I hate the ridiculous bro cult that sprung up in defense of this dumb boring movie

yeah but it fails to excite you if you've seen anything nolan has done in the past idk ten years because you know that before long nolan's gonna get the metaphors out

xp

How many votes to qualify? Frederick Wiseman's Welfare has an 8.5 rating based on 158 votes--that seems like a large enough sample to me. It should be #50, ahead of The Departed.

imo fight club is a fairly vicious satire of bro culture and a better-than-average hollywood comedy, kind of a shame so many people got the wrong end of the stick

obviously shawshank is insidious dreck but it doesn't really fuck about portentously like nolan fucks about portentously, nor does it pretend to be about more than itself

How many votes to qualify? Frederick Wiseman's Welfare has an 8.5 rating based on 158 votes--that seems like a large enough sample to me. It should be #50, ahead of The Departed.

― clemenza, Monday, February 25, 2013 7:59 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

the top 250 ratings are weighted, with a minimum # of votes required to qualify. shawshank's actual rating is 9.3, not 9.2. cmon man this is imdb 101

most recent minimum vote # is 25,000, which pushed a bunch of movies out of the top 250 incl. Idi i smotri

ppl really like the pianist that much ?

im gonna vote the dark knight rises, nver seen it tho

The Usual Suspects.

the pianist owns. its basically children of men with thomas kretschmann instead of michael caine (meaning its better)

i mean, i like it. its just the oddest thing to place on this imo

inception vs dark knight rises.. with dark knight you remember something because you know who the characters are, not sure if that's good or bad? hathaway was cool though.

tom hardy (and his suits) was the best thing about inception so i'd have to vote dark knight rises because of what nolan did to the poor guy in that film

one piece of advice, you'll be wanting to stay away from lawless

i've noted this before but the one imdb film rep that remains mysterious to me is 12 angry men. it's the one very high one whose presence i can't quite explain.

Some real clangers in here. Went for Inception. Such a vapid waste of fun.

oh yeah you can add 12 angry men to my list too tbh, guy perverts justice in black and white

turn out alright in the end, which is a dangerous fuckin message imo

Didn't see tdkr in there... Hmmm...

the pianist owns. its basically children of men with thomas kretschmann instead of michael caine (meaning its better)

― turds (Hungry4Ass)

shit bro, excellent comp

before i saw it i thought the pianist was literally about, like, a dude who survives because he's such a good pianist that the nazis keep him around to delight them despite his jewishness.

i've not seen it and that's basically what i assumed til just there

i think the deal with '12 angry men' is that everyone watches it in school so pretty much everyone's seen it.

it's very accessible for an old movie

by that I mean there's not a lot in it that's culturally dated and a 14 y/o who watches it today prob doesn't have the knee jerk reaction they might have to a lot of 50s movies.

like, i remember the only time i was ever on a jury, back in like 2002, and we all spent like the first 20 minutes talking about that movie and how we'd all assumed that real-life juries would all be exactly like that.

i think its power lies in how, even today, every one of us can relate to one of those twelve mildly dissatisfied-to-actually angry men

by that I mean there's not a lot in it that's culturally dated and a 14 y/o who watches it today prob doesn't have the knee jerk reaction they might have to a lot of 50s movies.

― iatee, Monday, February 25, 2013 9:12 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah. and its very taut, plus no chicks in it which is good for the imdb demo

haha speaking of which, do they still have the 'top 100 movies by gender', I was looking for it and couldn't find it

http://www.imdb.com/chart/female

20. 8.6 The Intouchables (2011) 152,013

???

it's a pretty funny movie

is there an ilx thread about it

whenever i look up a movie on imdb, i compulsively look at the ratings breakdown by gender/age and then at the top messageboard threads. which led, speaking of the pianist, to me finding a topic called 'I'm sorry but the jews should've done more'

now i remember that one. didn't remember the title.

the funniest part of the movie was the end when they show the people who the 'based on a true story' movie was based on and the big black guy star of the movie is actually a small arab guy irl.

yeah i figured it was a case of classroom showings plus schmucks thinking it was an old movie that was 'actually good'. i've never seen it but i've seen a hundred tv episodes borrowing the framework, so i've only known it as a bad cliche. i did enjoy that thing by whoever last summer arguing they freed a definitely guilty man (i am guessing it was on slate).

gump

before i saw it i thought the pianist was literally about, like, a dude who survives because he's such a good pianist that the nazis keep him around to delight them despite his jewishness.

― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, February 25, 2013 8:38 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this did happen irl iirc, there may even have been a movie abt it

Fight Club. I love u David Fincher, yr my bro but I fucking hate this movie and I hate the ridiculous bro cult that sprung up in defense of this dumb boring movie

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, February 25, 2013 4:58 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

almost picked this over Gump but concluded that I hate the bro cult way more than I hate the movie, and Forrest Gump is just really terrible

will vote Forrest Gump as the worst thing of most lists it appears in, I would think

Gump is really atrocious but American History X's "DO YOU SEE" aspects are way annoying to me and it squanders a pretty great Ed Norton performance, so it'll be that

This is so so so so easily Inception, come on

There no Inceptiom Shrimp Co in Times Square

Mmmmm, shrimp. Shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple shrimp, lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich....

wd vote something by Nolan if i'm being true to my heart but i've never seen The Dark Knight Also Rises and our Joel's impersonation of incomprehensible Bane always cracks me up so probly vote Dark Knight for the Heath Ledger goth death cult or maybe Inception for having the least exciting action sequences of all time

ah it's Inception isn't it, it's The Matrix with all the good bits took out

most travestical placing is probably that undercooked piece of paedology Leon but iirc at least the gunfights are aggro

Fight Club annoyed the shit out of me and yeah, as mentioned upthread, the fact that this started a real world thing is so fucking stupid

also wtf is wrong with internet people such that chinatown is not on this list and citizen kane is near the bottom

Return of the King because of hobbits and elves faces, gandalf slo-mo bed romp and the film finishing halfway through.

Or Inception - white transit van going off a bridge in slo-mo forever.

Quite liked the Dark Knight Rises despite fascistic pomposity, Dark Knight was very bad & boring tho.

Shawshank's crime is mostly that it's top of this list. But still there it is, top of this list.

Gump is really atrocious but American History X's "DO YOU SEE" aspects are way annoying to me and it squanders a pretty great Ed Norton performance, so it'll be that

These are pretty much my thoughts. Gump's conservative politics irritate the hell out of me, but technically and storytelling-wise it's much better than American History X, which is simply a waste of a good premise and good actors, so I gotta go for that.

Stuff like the Nolans, Matrix, or Shawshank Redemption obviously shouldn't rate so high, but at least they didn't leave me seething with anger like FG and AHX did.

fight club was really stupid.

Putting aside my disdain for things which I'm clearly just being mental (specifically Goodfellas), these are the actual worst movies I've seen from these 50.

01. 9.2 The Shawshank Redemption (1994) 924,272
12. 8.8 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001) 686,470
18. 8.7 Forrest Gump (1994) 604,505
26. 8.6 The Usual Suspects (1995) 425,053
33. 8.5 Memento (2000) 487,328
34. 8.5 American History X (1998) 425,828
41. 8.5 Django Unchained (2012) 225,944

Forrest Gump just seemed innocuous to me. I didn't particularly like it, but it moved along and had some good music (not used very imaginatively, but effective now and again by default). Fight Club, though...crude, self-important, one of those awful "I'm going rub your face in this and shock you--are you shocked yet?" movies. And the gimmick was really gimmicky.

Inclined to vote for Usual Suspects or American History X because they are terrible picks in an aggressively "IMDB user" way.

Fight Club, though...crude, self-important, one of those awful "I'm going rub your face in this and shock you--are you shocked yet?" movies. And the gimmick was really gimmicky.

otm. the quintessential dumb modern movie.

Wait wait wait Django ranks higher than Basterds?! I mean, even accounting for that first wave fanboy vote surge effect, that just doesn't make sense.

Gump is simultaneously innocuous and evil. I'd sooner watch it again than Return of the King, though.

for worst movie I'm leaning towards Fight Club at the moment.

newer release, i would guess that eventually django number comes down, esp once it hits video/cable.
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everything bad about gump and fight club i would guess is even worse in the books

Return of the King, Gump or Django.

Fight Club remains the last really good gay Hollywood movie.

always heard gump book had actual lefty politics in it.

there's some stupid shit on this list and a lot of hackwork but that's still the only one that inspires actual revulsion

Agreed, I hate gump on so many levels. The way the Jenny character is treated is so gross and misogynist.

Django votes are a little self-selecting at the moment - as balls sez, it'll go down when people who aren't inclined to see it at theatre prices start watching it.

I like Fincher's flash in general so no surprises I don't see what everyone hatez that much about Fight Club unless you were taking it straight as an exhortation to go set up fight clubs across the nation.

Gimmick in psycho is p gimmicky

Fight Club remains the last really good gay Hollywood movie.

Was going to jump in on FC's defense. But this sums it up.

the kneejerk anti-sixties conservatism and ridiculously on the nose obv soundtrack (if that movie's made ten years later and if leonard cohen were american there's no way 'hallelujah' isn't in it somewhere, maybe jenny dying) are the only interesting things about it for me. i like hanks and wright's performances also. more likely republican: zemeckis or jason reitman?

gump rather, though really it and fight club are almost the same movie

bubba blue/robert paulson

Curious about the strong hate for these movies on this board:
Fight Club
Inception
Usual Suspects

Is it more than just the usual entrenchment and calcification that happens to internet opinions? These are all flawed movies, but the hate seems ott.

they're kinda gimmicky bro movies and the only thing ilx hates more than bros is gimmicks

Yeah, Usual Suspects is basically The Tingler wherein the Tingler is a bunch of dicks.

gimmicky homoerotic movies scare da bros

Yeah, ILX's bro-hatred has been successfully hiding itself from me for 9 years now!

Theyre all good movies worth watching once wtf are they doin on this list

tho tbh ive seen ilm polls etc and y'all vote controversially natural-like

guessing anti-fight club sentiment is due to ppl being repulsed or bored by smugness or confused adbusters meets fascism or nineties grunge cool patina

or they know ppl who read chuck palahniuk irl and suspect that movie gained him many followers

They are also guilty of the crime of thinking they're clever while actually being stupid. I like gimmicks, but I hate that shit.

all three those kinda think theyre smart and edgy when theyre not, which is a p lame quality, but I agree that theyre not that bad and each is kinda sweet in its own way

I just don't like Fight Club, nothing to do with any ILXor collective unconscious afaik.

put em up, balls.

yer alright, crut.

FC is a comedy btw

on the other hand American history x thinks its smart and edgy and is actually just awful, also I have no idea why people think eg norton is good at acting, hes thinks hes smart and edgy

i wouldn't go to bat for any of those movies but i could imagine watching them willingly again at some point, which i can't really say for gump or django or the matrix. there's tons of blatantly reactionary art i love so fight club's dumbness doesn't bother me in itself (only when i see it parroted irl does it annoy and even then it's more a case of rmde).

no shit fight club's a comedy morbs, you can tell by all the vice mag quality one liners from helena bonham carter. if that movie ended w/ ed norton realizing family is what matters most it could've been written by diablo cody.

Norton had a hot streak of movies there where he *changed* halfway through i think this has demonstrated "range"

ebert agrees w/ you on reactionary, so congrats for seeing that rare alt edit.

one of the top selling dvd's of all time iirc so not so rare really

maybe the library has a copy

i was addressing scott about lubitsch and such and u apparently cant read so bye

remind me what lubitsch has to do w/ fight club

oh no, i misunderstood -- you cant smell sarcasm or understand FC

you guys should start a fight club

bill magill and cankles did and it solved their problems

the guy advocating 'iron john' fascism is insane, dummy

xp

help me understand where the lubitsch touch is in fight club

but i have a different cancer than Meat Loaf did, iatee

Deck them balls, Morbs!

only if he looks like jared leto

more mr loaf these days

26. 8.6 The Usual Suspects (1995) 425,053

Curious about the strong hate for these movies on this board:
Fight Club
Inception
Usual Suspects

I like Fight Club quite a bit (def. a comedy), like Inception well enough, thought Usual Suspects was clever when the end credits were rolling but had forgotten everything about it an hour later.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/38ad849338d5e1eeecfd1880b0497514/tumblr_mh6d6nDLrR1qe0eclo1_r6_500.gif

One evening a few weeks ago I was piss-drunk and channel-hopping and stumbled across American History X for the first time in 14 years. I vaguely recalled not liking it much back then, but after a few minutes of increasingly incredulous viewing I was yelling expletives at the TV. There's nothing worse than a movie which thinks it's Tackling Important Issues but is actually fatuous, pandering, patronising bullshit. So I'm voting for that.

It could be worse: American Beauty could still be near the top of the like it was back then

Also The Sixth Sense and Unbreakable

gimmicky homoerotic movies scare da bros

Scares me? Actually, no.

yeah nolan kinda replaced night on this

I never realized this until it was mentioned on a podcast this morning but TDKR and Memento are apparently in the same universe; Tom Lennon plays the same doctor in both

Shawshank just cuz it's first btw

Also, risible deployment of behind-bars rape as spiritual low point (see also: American History X).

morgan freeman's crusty old man narration over one of the prison rape attempts was p wonderful, added compelling gravitas.

Adding sweet nothings.

Andy fights like hell, but is soon overpowered and forced to his
knees. Bogs steps to Andy, pulls out an awl with a vicious
eight-inch spike, gives him a good long look at it.

BOGS
Now I'm gonna open my fly, and
you're gonna swallow what I give
you to swallow. And when you
d mine, you gonna swallow
Rooster's. You done broke his nose,
so he ought to have somethin' to
show for it.

ANDY
Anything you put in my mouth,
you're going to lose.

BOGS
You don't understand. You do that,
I'll put all eight inches of this
steel ii your ear.

ANDY
Okay. But you should know that
sudden serious brain injury causes
the victim to bite down. Hard.
(faint smile)
In fact, I understand the bite-reflex
is so strong the victim's jaws have
to be pried open with a crowbar.

The Sisters consider this carefully. The film runs out of the
projector, flapping on the reel. The screen goes white.

BOGS
You little fuck.

Andy gets a bootheel in the face. The Sisters start kicking
and beating the living shit out of him with anything they can
get their hands on. In the theater, the convicts are CHANTING
AND CLAPPING for the movie to come back on.

RED (V.O.)
Bogs didn't put anything in Andy's
mouth, and neither did his friends.
What they did do is beat him within
an inch of his life...

I don't like Fight Club but not for any legitimate reasons, rather for it reminding me of the 16-year-old me who did like Fight Club.

Yeah, Usual Suspects is basically The Tingler wherein the Tingler is a bunch of dicks.

I take great umbrage with this. The Tingler is entertaining and enjoyable.

all eight inches of this steel ii

the problem with Fight Club is that it's homofascist nihilism isn't actually funny

the problem with Inception is that it lacks the imagination to conceive of dreams as anything other than elaborate action movie chase scenes. also, sweaty bigface.

looking over the list i gotta say there aren't any films on here i really dislike *that* much beyond forrest gump, and whereas i think a lot of people dislike it for reasons beyond its entertainment value, i dislike it primarily because it's straight-up dull. which is amazing to me because zemeckis has made some of the most entertaining films i've seen (BTTF, roger rabbit) not to mention a couple of pretty sweet flicks post-gump/pre-uncanny valley nitemares (cast away, what lies beneath.)

BTTF, roger rabbit

yeah these are so great. his descent into "seriousness" was sad

yeah i enjoyed inception, esp as current summer blockbuster fare, but it really really exposed nolan's lack of imagination.

so why is shawshank redemption at #1? it's not bad like and i'm well aware some people like it quite a lot, but it's still confusingly disproportionate.

i thought inception was really good and there was something ingenious about its story structure towards the end, but it definitely is vv cold and too actiony. i do wish nolan had pushed it further into the realm of sci-fi and backed off the action movie elements. i feel like nolan's got competing desires, on one hand wanting to deliver action spectacle and on the other wanting to coolly analyze it. i think when spectacles get as big as he makes them and the cerebral overtures get too 'on the nose' it just makes things a bit too discordant.

xp It's this generation's Casablanca.

i think the dark knight works really well because it's super-focused and the joker is just fucking around w/o spelling things out, like much is spelled out in TDKR and inception.

I think the godfathers being so high is more surprising than shawshank at #1, but I think a lot of people "know that the godfather is the best movie ever" and vote accordingly

I don't think Inception was about dreams, more about propaganda and marketing - the stuff incepting ideas in our minds. And it really hit the same vapid tone of those things. I like it. My favorite part is the invented emotional climax when the dying father explain stupid platitudes to his son. That is hilarious, especially because the soundtrack sounds as if nobody bothered to explain to Hans Zimmer what was going on.

Voted Shawshank because it's at number one. Haven't seen it, but apparantly I watch too few overrated movies, because the worst thing I can remember watching is Schindler's List, once again, and that is just dumb at this point.

Granted that none of his films should be near a top 1000 film list, but I like Chris Nolan movies, and actually don't out and out hate any of these films on the top 50.

Gump, which is much hated in this thread, is one of those movies that I wind up watching like 30 minutes of a lot while I'm cooking or fucking around with my laptop. It's not terrible.

did shawshank popularity build soon after it hit video or did it take turner to make it this beloved modern day classic?

I dunno. Maybe a movie with slime-sucking villains called The Sisters didn't need any help reaching the public's heart.

add Shakey to list of those FC misinterpreters who sound like George HW Bush attacking The Simpsons for undermining the nuclear family.

I remember Sarris calling Shawshank "a yuppie fairytale" in '94.

Despite its disappointing box office return, Warner Bros. shipped 320,000 rental video copies throughout the United States, and it became one of the top rented films of 1995. The film's home viewing success was considered to be based on positive recommendations and repeat customers.[4] The film's Academy Award nominations enabled it to fare well in the video sales and cable TV viewings.[citation needed] In June 1997, TNT, an American cable network, showed the film for the first time. The film was the first feature in TNT's Saturday Night New Classics. A 2004 Sunday Times article suggested that TNT aired the film frequently from then on, about once every two months.[2] TV airings of the film accrued record breaking numbers.[4]

ok it was definitely pre-turner cuz i can remember ppl loving it before that. is that the first morgan freeman narration?

Morbz is yr position that FC is a parody/satire of homofascist nihilism idgi

hmm so 97 means shawshank's turner showings were ratings based, not just 'ted turner fucking loves these movies' like when they showed bond/eastwood/beastmaster all the time.

Rip ripped Marc Singer

his position is that palahniuk's schtick is ironic, he's making fun of the ideology he's professing. yknow like vice magazine or team america or rush limbaugh. they're entertainers.

I think everyone speaking fondly about Inception has forgotten how the movie literally consists of 140 minutes of spoken exposition regarding The Rules of Dream World And My Dead Wife bookended by two moronic "action" sequences and that's it, that's the entire movie.

no it's not a satire. It's a black comedy about consumerism, depression, narcissism, masculinity.

Inception is moronic.

xxxp

sleepingbag otm. the exposition in that movie is bonkers! so irritating

It's a black comedy about consumerism, depression, narcissism, masculinity.

yeah I get that but a) the jokes aren't funny and b) it's nihilism is oppressive and suffocating, even moreso than something like, say, "Network"

but it has Meatloaf with boobs! What's not to find funny?

clearly Shawshank, and fucking Star Wars is in there.

oh and for me, having managed to avoid Forrest Gump, have to go Dark Knight Rises.

Shawshank is p terrible but it's not as mis-shapen as DKR.

Worst filmmaking has to be TDKR. Worst cult culture around a film has to be FC.

Wasn't there a handfull of Pixar movies in that list a few years ago?

can i just

45. 8.5 The Dark Knight Rises (2012) 551,584
46. 8.5 Citizen Kane (1941) 195,578

citizen bane

voted for The Matrix btw

I thought spirited away was terribly boring and that dudes movies fail to inspire my inner child or w/e

― iatee, Monday, February 25, 2013 7:02 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

with you on this all the way though

shocker there

Inception is a heist movie. There *was* too much exposition, but a lot of it was the going-over-the-plans stuff you see in every heist movie.

Inception is not primarily a sci-fi movie about dreams or consciousness. It's about breaking into the vault, but instead of a casino, it's in their brains.

It's far from perfect, but I think some people wanted it to be something it wasn't trying to be.

by some people you mean the people who made the movie?

^^^ lol. I don't share the hatred of Gump or Shawshank, but I thought LOTR Return of the King was excruciating, multiple epic journeys and humungous CGI battle scenes on what seemed to be an endless loop. Probably not the worst movie, but the one that's least up my alley (except for possibly Fight Club, which I've not seen and probably never will.)

i feel like i have a minor aversion to any movie where the color of blood is closer to black than it is to red. but i still like fight club well enough.

Citizen kane is boring all over tbf, id def watch most of these -and certainly gump and shawshank- again ahead of it. I just dont rly care where the fat lad puts his camera during a soap opera, it's still just a soap opera

RONG

I think the cult of kane can be a bit eyerolly but it's def not a boring movie

oddly i think the worst movie in the criterion collection might be worse than the worse movie here.

what, is it apollo 13 or some shit

armageddon?

chasing amy

^^^

that there is Criterion editions of any of Kevin Smith's "movies" is so sad

are

criterion really doesn't mean much anymore does it?

that there is Criterion editions of any of Kevin Smith's "movies" are so sad

yes it does xp

Putting out the Smith movies and Armageddon was what was keeping them in business for awhile.

tbh i'm fine having kevin smith and armageddon on criterion if it pays the bills for things like czech new wave box sets.

if they just keep adding movies to the criterion collection the average quality of criterion film will inevitably have to fall

ben affleck has come out remarkably unscathed from the smith/armageddon hate.

there are more good movies than heaven or criterion allows

it gets alot of good stuff on dvd or distributed. as 'marks of quality' go it's still a reliable brand, even before you get into packaging, etc.

does it really offer anything beyond its brand to people who will stream movies in the future?

yeah I get that but a) the jokes aren't funny and b) it's nihilism is oppressive and suffocating, even moreso than something like, say, "Network"

Problem with that argument is Network is also very funny and suffocating.

the former redeems the latter in Network's case tho

criterion apparently does a lot of restoring and preservation of source materials with an eye to future formats (expect a 4k version of armageddon all ready-to-go once it becomes a thing)

glad morbs is repping for FC here so i dont have to. it's hilarious. last shot is maybe one of greatest last shots ever (and you gotta watch closely to see why).

also i'll pretend i didn't see someone say Back to the Future in answer to thread question! wtf people.

also, aside from all the nihilism, consumerism stuff i think FC's real satirical target is ideology per se, fwiw. but perhaps a key element to enjoying or finding the movie provocative is to think that Tyler is seductive in some sense (hence why Morbs is right that it's a great gay film).

also this book is essentially about the same thing as FC, in my opinion, just in a psychoanalytic framework:
http://www.amazon.com/Intimacies-Leo-Bersani/dp/0226043452/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1361913147&sr=1-1&keywords=intimacies

and you gotta watch closely to see why

lol don't break yr arm patting yrself on the back there bro

"do I give you the ass or the cock?"

(u didnt recall the line the last time we had this argument)

didnt intend to pat myself on the back. just didnt want to spoilerize it or give impression i was simply talking about the buildings falling.

[(u didnt recall the line the last time we had this argument)

don't worry it's burned into my brain now

are you talking about the 'subliminal' mansertion frames?

yes

it was funny for sure but c'monnnn:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_lUu92QY0YZo/TABNX04qjQI/AAAAAAAABpE/oSGZarLdqqY/s1600/kubrick5.jpg

are we gonna poll best final shots ever now

haha fair enough, philip!

i thought inception was really good and there was something ingenious about its story structure towards the end, but it definitely is vv cold and too actiony. i do wish nolan had pushed it further into the realm of sci-fi and backed off the action movie elements. i feel like nolan's got competing desires, on one hand wanting to deliver action spectacle and on the other wanting to coolly analyze it. i think when spectacles get as big as he makes them and the cerebral overtures get too 'on the nose' it just makes things a bit too discordant.

― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:31 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

im with you

Michael Bay and Kevin Smith on Criterion is analogous to Fantagraphics' Eros imprint keeping them in business until they managed to snag the Complete Peanuts deal and then other high profile archival reissues. CC keeps Armageddon, The Rock and Chasing Amy in print, but have they added anything that bad in the last decade or so?

dunno why it's such a big deal that criterion put out armageddon and the rock, 2 sweet movies

people who continue to hate on the matrix this late in the game tho, c'mon

how is imdb top 50 selected? it really feels weighted towards macho movies though is sadly missing the most macho movie of all time (and also a criterion release), robocop

idk how anyone could hate on the rock but armageddon is missing a lot of the rock's humor and crucial cage and connery buddy comedy chemistry.

what! robocop is totally not a macho movie

when robocop goes back to his old house in the suburbs and you see his empty house through his eyes~~~

i've argued before that robocop was about MTF transitioning but the movie as a whole is pretty macho stuff. Even rambo has an emotional breakdown moment.

Rambo is a child crying in the wilderness iirc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eliQEStzhu4

v obvious that median imdb voter is 24-yo guy living in rents' basement

yeah i think everyone knows the type. the one thing that always surprises me about this list is scarface not being on it.

I'm not sure that one has aged well with that crowd.

even if that is the plurality demographic, scarface is prob polarizing and it's not like other peoples votes don't affect the numbers

yeah i figured however much those kind of film dorks they're still only the most visible demo. shawshank's base of support is elsewhere or at least not rooted there like usual suspects or fight club.

those dudes don't hate shawshank even, its a heartwarming movie that bros can dig too, that's why it's #1

like they don't have a shawshank poster next to their fight club poster but they prob still really liked the movie

the movie has everything for everyone, and is easily digestible not to mention easily editable for basic cable consumption.

i've never seen it, am i missing anything?

someone I've known since childhood is now an actor in LA who occasionally gets bit parts and was always a 'film buff' but w/ like the worst taste ever, anyway he ranked his favorite films of all time on fb this one time and shawshank was #1

you should watch it but only on tv, I can't even imagine experiencing that movie w/o random commercial breaks

like if you have to watch it on dvd set up your computer to play ads for tnt and dominos every 10 minutes otherwise you won't be getting the full shawshank

Surprised myself by voting Dark Knight Rises, which I was basically entertained by from minute to minute, but, man. Whoever said "sloppy" upthread is right - just doesn't hold together, thoughtless script, thoughtless characterization, any attempt at "ambiguity" undercut by all the ways in which it could just be incompetence. ILE thread on it was a goldmine of new ways to hate it, too, whereas we haven't recently worked over, in painstaking detail, all the ways in which I hate Gump or the basic draggy endlessness of Return of the King (really liked Fellowship and much of Two Towers).

kinda don't get hatred of Shawshank but maybe I'm a simpleton - it is by NO MEANS one of the greatest films of all time but it tells its story and hits its notes and makes you root for the heroes and boo the villain, with a few really nice memorable shots along the way and so on. What's the problem?

I don't think that many people really hate it, even on ilx where people hate everything

see prison rape material above, and the first of Freeman's lousy narrations. xp

i have never seen it but i feel ok about hating it

it's not really grating or dreadful or incredibly offensive beyond the gay rape bits (Morgan Freeman's not even magical in this, just observant), I think it's ok. But it's not special.

make no mistake though the gay rape is def unnecessary and just wrong. And of course Stephen king bless his soul would call them "the sisters"

is prison rape really inherently offensive as a plot point, I mean it happens, sometimes

I forgot the context in the movie tho, do they even show that in the tv version

people who continue to hate on the matrix this late in the game tho, c'mon

― 乒乓, Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:32 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah really.

Matrix sequels would take this EASY but the first one is good popcorn fun with some great sequences here and there, can't complain.

I like to bring it all together at yet still deeper levels by looking at the movie through the lens of Nietzsche. Think about that moment (which is romanticized in the film) when the fighter is completely beaten, unable to even breath without extreme pain. At that moment, what is there left to live for? Nietzsche says there's still one thing: that zest for life. And by fighting to near-death is one way to experience that zest clear and free from any outside pleasurable influence. This is Nietzsche's answer to Camus' question, "Should I kill myself?"

Perhaps discuss modern works of music that bear similar themes to Fight Club; for example, Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon, or Radiohead's OK Computer. Also, you could discuss works of literature that deal with themes of alienation and angst such as Catcher in The Rye, and try to draw parallels between them and Fight Club.

it is sort of amazing that some of these movies are ranked that high. fight club is a pretty compelling and interesting film but it doesn't strike me as something that has total mass appeal, even in the niche market of imdb 'vote often' types.

In every dorm room ever IIRC

kinda surprised fuckin 'boondock saints' didn't make this list.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0144117/ratings?ref_=tt_ov_rt

the boondock saints has a higher average from women then men??

than

It's tempting to vote 'most overrated', as opposed to 'worst'

So, went with Inception. Although I'm sure Django or the batman movies would have gotten my vote had I seen them.

Yeah, what are the standard dorm room movie posters nowadays?

i wouldn't even have any idea, back in the day it was all about trainspotting and early tarantino and taxi driver and, idk, the occasional david lynch poster.

Withnail & I (Britisher edition)

shawshank redemption is better than the green mile, if only b/c it has a Magic Honky instead of a Magic Negro. and the film's kinda-positive depiction of financial fraud (in particular: tax cheating/avoidance and money laundering) is much more offensive than the prison rape scene.

for all that, though, it isn't really a BAD film -- just a very mediocre one. no way it deserves to be #1 on any movie best-of poll.

i mean, shawshank is basically the Coldplay or Dave Matthews Band of movies.

For a top 50 list there's a shitload of mediocre movies on there.

anyone who is registered on IMDB can vote. it's more like the Billboard Top 50 than, say, Pazz and Jop or any movie critic/academics poll. so that's why there are a lot of mediocre (but popular & crowd-pleasing) movies on this list. which is fine for what it is, but IMHO it shouldn't be taken as Gospel wr2 whether any given film thereon actually is any good.

gump is bad but i like the first act somewhat (whoever upthread said theyll watch it if its on for about 30 mins is p much spot on--there's about thirty watchable minutes in the movie). there are def hints of future hideousness (sally field giving random school administrator head, elvis) but I rep for it p much up until the folksinger-in-strip-club scene, at which point it veers drastically into aaaaaaaawful territory, getting worse and worse as it goes on. And the last stretch drags on just as bad as if not worse than ROTK (which I probably dislike even more tbh)--at least Aragorn never wiped his face on a T-shirt

Inception is not a good movie but I probably rank it higher than the Matrix, which def spawned a more annoying cult than Fight Club. I don't hate Shawshank but I don't love it or anything either. But I def nurse ill will towards The Usual Suspects like it stole my lunch money and that's what I'm voting

I honestly believe that anyone who isn't voting Forrest Gump is lying to themselves

i went w gump but i can understand voting american history x

or... citizen kane

i went w gump but i can understand voting american history x

oh lol I missed that one on the list, def a contender

yeah I was thinking after I voted that AHX might be the worst but I havent seen it in so long

and esp in this partic company the only reason its ranks is cuz members are getting off on the whole white power sociopathy trip

hate inception way too much to vote for anything else tho the dark knight rises is close

other than some nice trendsetting visual effects there's not really anything that makes The Matrix in any way better than a hundred other big budget sci-fi movies imo, and many ways that it's not remotely one of the best

i haven't sat thru all of the Matrix since it come out but i'm still sure the fight sequences are about a gajillion times better than Inception and probly a bit better than most big budget SF done after it

matrix is p sweet

matrix is great

I watched it so much as a kid that I need at least another ten years before I want to see it again tho

hell, Matrix 2 is pretty sweet just for the club confrontation leading into the highway chase

I like to pretend Matrix 3 never happened

the little one behind you is called mouse

matrix 2 def had some entertaining scenes and was not a sufficient warning sign for how bad matrix 3 was going to be

the Zion rave was a warning, in retrospect

the hourlong conversation with the boring whitebeard in the boring white room was another warning

hah xxp "Zion" hippy trance party in Matrix 2 was laugh out loud funny, I'll give it that, and the action scenes were still p great. Haven't brought myself to watch the third one.

I would rather watch the zion rave scene for 3 hours than the matrix 3

It's been so long since I've seen Gump I may have to rewatch it to understand the vitriol. Honestly don't think I've ever given it more thought than I gave, like, Four Weddings And A Funeral or something.

feel like matrix rave is an avatar for so many contrived movie things

alternately vampire rave from blade

No matrix, no inception imo

matrix sequels are equally shit

still sticking with back to the future

always at these raves everyone is evenly spaced and dancing w/equal intensity, no one is taking a break and drinking water

back to the future is one of the best movies on this list

Yeah jjj, why you hate fun?

at least the Blade vampire rave had a bad-ass song and a plot purpose

and exactly how is Back to the Future worse than Forrest Gump

as son as i saw the zion rave i wouldve been all so how do i get back inside the matrix

100% jj is messing w us here guys

Forrest gump is good, a good movie about a guy who led an interesting lyfe, ilx just projecting

I voted for the Matrix 3 mainly because the sequels were so unnecessary. they ruined a potential sci-fi classic, along with any chance for the video game spin-offs, animated shorts, or any potential comics to succeed. it was a catastrophe. i haven't seen a potential classic die so badly because of sequels since Back to the Future.

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people who continue to hate on the matrix this late in the game tho, c'mon

― 乒乓, Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:32 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark

matrix is just awesome great sci fi, the best PKD adaptation ever released

yes... better than blade runner ; )

i will cut you

not better than paycheck

blade runner is kinda boring

I'm trying to figure out what my favorite movie on this list is... possibly NxNW? which is surprising to me given the choices

Iatee not excited by the city of the future

for fave i'd be torn between The Good, the Bad and the Ugly and the Godfathers and NxNW, 12 Angry Men is like my comfort food bad film treat too

I like blade runner as a vision of utopia but I just don't really care that much about who's a robot or w/e

Iatee not excited by the city of the future

the city of the future exists... in our minds

goodfellas

have never seen 12 angry men but feel like maybe there's rockist notions at play like how it's about great acting, a great script, just these fireworks between great actors, who needs explosions, I'm gonna join my high school drama club now

maybe I'mw rong though and 12 angry men takes place on a spaceship hurtling towards the sun... p sweet movie sounds like

why are they so angry everyone wants to know

12 angry men is great like law and order is great, everyone can enjoy courtroom drama stuff, it's not rockism just easily digestible

possible top ten:

42. 8.5 North by Northwest (1959) 137,631
27. 8.6 Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) 389,236
2. 9.2 The Godfather (1972) 663,487
11. 8.8 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980) 456,031
24. 8.6 The Silence of the Lambs (1991) 450,585
15. 8.7 Goodfellas (1990) 404,262
35. 8.5 Apocalypse Now (1979) 272,663
12. 8.8 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001) 686,470
39. 8.5 Alien (1979) 315,008
13. 8.8 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) 386,117

http://i.imgur.com/GEnmg2z.jpg

just 12 white dudes gettin real angry in a room

u can see the anger on their faces

one of them has a fedora u know he must be p sweet

wonder when the ties are gonna get loosened

bad: Forrest Gump, TDKR
below average: shawshank, AHX, one flew over nurse evil, two towers, wonderful life
haven't seen: city of god, django unchained

i think i voted for shawshank anyway.

look at that one old dude... hes old. bet hes seen a lot in his lifetime. bet he brings a different perspective to the table.

one of them has a fedora u know he must be p sweet

― 乒乓, Wednesday, March 6, 2013 11:35 AM (3 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

why u wear yr hat inside?
because i am so angry!

they dont look all that angry

12 Bemused Men

yah lets get the anger level up fellas

12 Pensive Men

also I only count 11 dudes in that picture... who is the 12th angry man?? maybe... it is... you, the viewer

i can get behind 22 of these. hard to whittle to a top 10 actually

i attempted a top ten and then i was all what am i doing i am so angry i am as angry as 12 men right now

12 angry mods

nah if it were 12 angry mods we would just keep sentencing dudes to death, it would be a much more efficient movie

http://www.eujacksonville.com/pages/05-08/12AngryMen106.jpg

brb looking for the Tony Danza version

http://s3.amazonaws.com/auteurs_production/stills/4673/original.jpg?1289439033

best verzh

in the TV movie the racist is...the black guy!

da da daaaaaaaaaah

as in life

http://www.tvworthwatching.com/img/pages/A7ELG31IDJ27YIU.jpg

5 percenter calls for Shariah justice

Gandolfini plays guy who sweats a lot

gandolfini is angry enough for everyone

my favourite shot from the original

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/vampjezc/JS12angry.jpg

12 sweaty men

12 weirdos men

it's good because when it starts raining it's like a metaphor for rain

Best bit of twelve angry men is fonda's walk straightening out as the other jurors realises he was keyser soze

it's good because when it starts raining it's like a metaphor for rain

this rain represents the rain inside ur hearts

its like ray-i-ain

coffee mug dropping from Lee J. Cobb's hand in slow motion as we see that it is made by "Not Guilty dishmakers, NYC."

Martin Balsam suddenly realises the names of the witnesses are the starting line-up of the 1956 Yankees team

still better than about half the flicks on this list

Twelve Angry Men doesn't suck, y'all

one by one i'm going to win each of you over to a new understanding, as tensions rise in this sweaty little thread... Morbz griping that he's missing the big ball game...

yeah i'm feeling Morbsy when everyone is all "i haven't seen 12 Angry Men but it definitely wasn't as cool as The Matrix when i was a kid"

dayo is literally every human being on ilx

tbf im not saying 12 angry men is a bad movie im just wondering out loud why theyre so angry

they're angry cause you are talking shit about their movie w/o even having seen it

it was made in the 50s it's probably really bad tbf

it kinda sucks cause there aren't even any colors in the movie but other than that it's okay

twelve au gray men

courtroom dramas are slightly behind sports movies in terms of genres that bore me to tears

im excited about the sequel to twelve angry men, twelve hungry men. "im so hungry after being hungry all day in that little room!" says one of the stars. swanson to provide dinner to the twelve hungry men

i was angry before but now im just hungry life is funny fade to black

the sequel should be twelve angrier men

13 angry men obvs

we had to watch 12 angry men for an assignment and answer questions in a paper afterwards about the lessons therein in leadership, decision making, etc. i was 24 and this was three years into a business degree ffs (the class was run by a decrepit ex-nun with a fonda wide-on who marked me down severely for not taking his performance seriously enough)

I didn't known jane fonda was in that movie

darragh it sounds like that assignment made you angry

"wide-on" isn't really a term in common use, right

it did make me a little piqued tbh yes

I dont know if I like this movie if it just makes ppl more angry

it's the word she used djp, idk

guys i love 12 Angry Men to death and it's a bit of a rubbish play that can only be filmed a bit rubbishly

calm down man

yah sounds like u need to chill out

I don't think I've seen the entirety of 12 Angry Men

I think the last time I tried to watch it was in college when I was still trying to watch mostly science fiction and movies with black-majority casts (aka, pre "Higher Learning")

Can we get some air conditioning in here please?

look i watched an identical film that i bought from a shop round the corner just last night

the best 12 angry men is the one w john cusak and gene hackman not sure who the other 10 men were

(pre "Higher Learning")

curious as to why this was a turning point in your viewing habits

because it was fucking terrible

rachel weisz played the jane fonda role iirc

djp otm re: higher learning

when i think of how singleton squandered the lezzing up in that movie it makes me so angry

Andrew Dice Clay, Bill Cosby, Judd Nelson, Brad Dourif, Brigitte Nielsen, Anson Williams, Jesse Ventura, Alan Rickman, Sammo Hung and Frankie Faison iirc

iirc higher learning had abt as many endings as return of the king

agree that Higher Learning is awful, was worried for a second that DJP might have somehow learned some kind of important lesson (apart from "John Singleton is a shitty filmmaker") from it

I did learn an important lesson: Tyra Banks cannot act

u can bank on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDF0l0RMw90

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS7HEh88q9A

Anybody remember SCTV's promo for "'12 Angry Men', starring James Coco, Charles Nelson Reilly, Dom
Deluise, Truman Capote, Rip Taylor, Rex Reed, Peter Allen, Richard Simmons, Liberace..." and I can't remember who else?

never forget:

Ice Cube as Fudge
Busta Rhymes as Dreads

busta is powerful running down two skinheads

The 5 best:
28. 8.6 Rear Window (1954) 187,479
29. 8.6 It's a Wonderful Life (1946) 161,384
46. 8.5 Citizen Kane (1941) 195,578
47. 8.5 The Shining (1980) 327,332
48. 8.5 Back to the Future (1985) 371,172

The next 5 best:
32. 8.5 Sunset Blvd. (1950) 84,736
35. 8.5 Apocalypse Now (1979) 272,663
36. 8.5 Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) 419,666
39. 8.5 Alien (1979) 315,008
43. 8.5 Spirited Away (2001) 206,751

city of god is one of the most widely liked movies that nobody really ever talks about. i dont mean that its underrated or like not visible, just that its one of those movies people like but nobody ever has anything to say about it
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Monday, February 25, 2013 7:53 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark

i'll proudly say its my favorite movie among this 50.

its up there for me too, actually

not my fav on the list but it is super rad for sure

The Professional kinda sucked.

of course none of use has said anything abt it

I'm voting for "LOTR: Two Towers" since that one nearly put me to sleep and caused me to bail on the series. But I haven't seen quite a few of these.

guys i love 12 Angry Men to death and it's a bit of a rubbish play that can only be filmed a bit rubbishly

THIS

This is inception for me, I'm afraid any film that contains batman would have to be a lot worse than TDKR for me to truly hate it. Also in retrospect "camp treebeard" was a pretty funny place to take banevoice even tho I'll always be pissed off at the dehispanicisation

pretty much agree w/ eric's top 10, tho i'd switch out a chaplin for T2.

shawshank redemption is better than the green mile, if only b/c it has a Magic Honky instead of a Magic Negro.

worst instance of the Magic Honky has to be Fly Away Home imo

(gets coat)

it's kinda interesting that ppl would be down on one installment of lotr and not any of the others, i haven't seen them in a long time but i remember them all just seeming like one big extended movie. way moreso than the godfathers, which really do feel like different films. is it just that ROTK never ends?

yes

also latter two installments have the more egregiously pointless derivations from source material

it contains the largest quantity of 'lotr'

i can get behind that. could never hate on fellowship, tho, i'll never forget what a rush it was seeing that for the first time.

I saw some of the second one recently and so much of it I thought was in the first. So my entire recollection of the first one has been reduced to a lot of walking and Sean Bean dying.

when I saw fellowship (in a standard multiplex) everyone applauded at the end, it was bizarre

that's not so weird, ppl tend to clap at the end of newly released movies if they're really really long in my experience

people clap for anything these days

god i hate back to the future (reactionary tripe) and spirited away (vaporous piffle).

the high-placing for the good, the bad and the ugly is surprising (to me) but well-deserved - such an entertaining film in so many ways.

xxp this was the first & only time I've encountered it, excepting screenings where the director was there. it doesn't happen in the UK at all afaik

maybe the britishers were really proud of how people from new zealand had made a whole movie

by jove that island's done it

i guess forrest gump is actually the worst of the lot ... but really, lotsa folks know that it's shitty & it never was a critical favorite. i feel more pity than contempt for anyone who considers it a GOAT film, so that's why i didn't vote for it as the worst on this poll.

any of the LOTR films and shawshank redemption, though, get way more critical love than any of them deserve -- from people who really should know better. which is why i voted shawshank and would've voted for any of the LOTR films if shawshank wasn't listed.

in what universe was Forrest Gump not a critical favorite? acclaim doesn't have to be universal in order to exist:

The film has received mostly positive reviews. The review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes reported that 70% of critics gave the film a positive review based on a sample of 53 reviews, with an average score of 7/10.[27] At the website Metacritic, which utilizes a normalized rating system, the film earned a favorable rating of 82/100 based on 19 reviews by mainstream critics.[28]

The story was commended by several critics. Roger Ebert of the Chicago Sun-Times wrote, "I've never met anyone like Forrest Gump in a movie before, and for that matter I've never seen a movie quite like 'Forrest Gump.' Any attempt to describe him will risk making the movie seem more conventional than it is, but let me try. It's a comedy, I guess. Or maybe a drama. Or a dream. The screenplay by Eric Roth has the complexity of modern fiction . . . The performance is a breathtaking balancing act between comedy and sadness, in a story rich in big laughs and quiet truths. . . . What a magical movie."[29] Todd McCarthy of Variety wrote that the film "...has been very well worked out on all levels, and manages the difficult feat of being an intimate, even delicate tale played with an appealingly light touch against an epic backdrop."[30] In addition, the film received notable pans from several major reviewers. Anthony Lane of The New Yorker called the film "Warm, wise, and wearisome as hell."[31] Owen Gleiberman of Entertainment Weekly said that the film "...reduces the tumult of the last few decades to a virtual-reality theme park: a baby-boomer version of Disney's America."[32]

Spirited Away is neither vaporous nor piffle, sir

Is anyone besides me considering The Professional? At the moment I'd watch it over Gump but only because Gump's shown on TV so fucking often.

no, because that has the wonderful scene where Gary Oldman somehow manages to overact taking pills: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRBI1VSO7hc

haha otm

gary oldman is the best

ok i forgot about that part. thank you.

DJP: ok, i stand corrected wr2 forrest gump. even so, it doesn't get as much critical love as shawshank has.

gary oldman is the best

i keep forgetting what The Professional is, god it was rubbish iirc but yeah can't hate Oldman

^another reason not to vote for batman

fucking po-faced goth comic book movies outweigh Oldman charisma tho

not voting Batmans cos they;re maybe the least worst Nolan things

he put on the best performance out of anyone in Dark Knight no matter what anyone has to say about it. Ledger was great obv, but Gary Oldman secretly stole the whole thing IMO.

not voting Batmans cos they;re maybe the least worst Nolan things
aw man but Memento is so good

those saying you can't hate on oldman never saw nil by mouth

or Tiptoes

nil by mouth is my domestic violence kitchen sink drama jam

oldman's pretty much wasted in the batman movies besides some fun moments in the dark knight

tiptoes is a piece of shit but a truly singularly insane one, like it's really really watchable

think Memento in true Nolan style is much less clever than it thinks it is, not that clever is everything but it's all he seems to want to bring to the table, will willingly admit that my attitude to it might be soured by bandwagon shite like The Machinist

it's true that Nolan prizes cleverness above all else and in that sense Memento is his best movie. just because it's more clever than his other films.

post-Memento and esp. with Inception and TDKR a very fundamental problem is that he's trying to make films that ~make you think~, except that the more you think about them the more you realise how incredibly stupid and nonsensical they are.

def the case with Incepshit. I've never seen TDKR

TDKR has made me basically not want to watch a single action movie ever again

the dark knight is his best film imo bc i feel like it's actually pretty focused and a perfect balance between spectacle, performance, and nolan's obsession w/ plot machination if only because the latter ties in well w/the first two as opposed to seeming clunky like in TDKR (which i didn't hate, it was just a mess.)

TDK is good but oh man do I hate the sound design of that movie. *super quiet dialogue* followed by THE LOUDEST SHIT EVER agh fuck you

must admit i've enjoyed watching Bane vids on Youtube, that voice never stops being funny

the main thing TDK has going for it compared to some other things on this list is that neither of its sequels featured hoverboards or wacky times in the old west

sounds like you have some serious opinions about BTTF

TDK only has one sequel though

Anyway the batmobile is basically a hoverboard if you think about it

im just glad that someone finally had the courage to tell us the truth about how rock and roll was really invented by a time traveling white kid

the time traveler's white

:D

yes that was definitely presented as the historical truth in that film xxp

Michael J. Fox also invented rapping fwiw

mic-ill jayfox

I liked the part of the movie where mjf sits down and composes johnny b goode

within the Back To The Future universe he did apparently write an instrumental version of "The Power of Love"

i'll proudly say its my favorite movie among this 50.

― billstevejim, Wednesday, March 6, 2013 2:19 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

its up there for me too, actually

― O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, March 6, 2013 2:20 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not my fav on the list but it is super rad for sure

― lag∞n, Wednesday, March 6, 2013 2:23 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

of course none of use has said anything abt it

― lag∞n, Wednesday, March 6, 2013 2:23 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

exactly.

god i hate back to the future (reactionary tripe) and spirited away (vaporous piffle).

the high-placing for the good, the bad and the ugly is surprising (to me) but well-deserved - such an entertaining film in so many ways.

― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, March 6, 2013 4:02 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

i voted for spirited away tbh

i love spirited away but 'vaporous piffle' is a pretty amazing putdown, have to admit.

City of God wd definitely be in my list of the best 5

also Seven Samurai being a permanent fixture on this list wz p much my first exposure to Kurosawa (I mean, I haven't gone on to watch a bunch of his movies or anything, but that was def the first I ever heard of him)

TDK is a goodlooking piece of utter crap, three different strands of rubbish, overlong by an hour, dumb, preachy and a mess. Without ledger it's a complete write-off, only he lifts it above batman begins. Third one ended up the best because cat ass and one sideways shot of cotillard in a sweater, and bane's creaky door voice pwns bale's grzywzzskhhkhywzy. Hope nolan dies penniless and mocked and poorly dressed, forced to shoot deodorant adverts and attend fanboy clinics until he drops.

those may be his life goals

most of these are pretty good mainstream movies tbh

i choose forrest gump

that or dark knight rises

dark knight rises by a mile

Hopefully he falls as far

4 nolan movies in the top 50 is so gross, much grosser than Shawshank or Gump

Otm

the prestige is his best one

nolan has like a ridiculous handle on many of the craftier elements of filmmaking but really wants to be good at art and the harder he tries the worst he is at art, but anyway his movies are p sweet, i have no idea why ilx hates them so bad, prob cause theyre popular

same but with forrest gump

it's pee sweet.

idk if what nolan is trying for is art as opposed to SOCIAL RELEVANCE but if he cut out the DO YOU SEE he'd be a great moviemaker

i feel like he undermines his own best instincts thru this obsession with a naive cleverness, i think the hate is partly a frustration at films that have "could be great" near the surface but fail thru a lack of any emotional connection or genuine thrillingness so they become these sterile crossword puzzles for fanboys to have pointless arguments over. this is how think about my own response tbh.

like in Inception never mind anything about whether it's fantastical enough i just think a) the action scenes aren't engaging and b) there should be some emo pathos to Leo's great lost love that never happens cos Nolan can't direct people

Also in fairness Leo is completely blank as a rule. He'd make a great Gatsby!

Oh.

there should be some emo pathos to Leo's great lost love that never happens cos Nolan can't direct people

there is and he can

Remind me to never watch a movie with any of you deeply unhappy people

yah i guess nolan is p frustrating, i guess i never really cared enough for it to actually happen to me, inception is insanely boring tho, but not totally w/o merit

Although objecting to B2TF because MJF invented rock is hilarious

peak ilx has been achieved

Although objecting to B2TF because MJF invented rock is hilarious

― "Bellini." (DJP), Thursday, March 7, 2013 7:40 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

http://i.imgur.com/eCyXK.jpg

NV totally otm, it's much harder for me to see the problem with the shawshank redemption or gump, these are exactly the movies they promise to be and that the director thinks he's making

there is and he can

maybe i shd give it another try now i'm a quivering mess of moodswings and vulnerability

the emotional stuff worked decently for me when i saw it anyway, certainly moreso than TDKR. and he definitely has some facility with actors

i dont hate or strongly dislike anything on this list, but there's a few least-favs

once upon a time in the west placing so high still surprises me a little, it's great but also slow and indulgent

I wouldnt, nv, ive not noticed you any less fuckin irritable for a start

xp

like almost all Leone films really, i don't know if he has fans who tolerate it in him movies or if people just like him for the gunfights and hit fast forward a lot

not xp

lol truth

nerds are probably really into the idea of the epic western

there's a lot of pre-revisionist westerns that would be higher ranked if so

yah but SERGIO LEONE

My takeaway from the Action Movies poll is that I would be p happy to watch a movie with DJP, though this was hardly a surprise.

I would def watch an action movie with djp and a takeaway tbf

The Prestige is the best Nolan. It wants to be clever for the fun of being clever, while the rest of them are clever out of fear of seeming dumb. I like Nolan, though, I think he is by far the best mainstream Hollywood director atm. Four in top 50 is ridiculous, we can agree on that.

The Prestige doesn't get its props IMO, I really enjoyed that movie

Best mainstream Hollywood director atm is the Coens and you all know it.

guess it depends how you define mainstream, i realized the other day that im a steven soderbergh fan, disgusting

http://i.imgur.com/LX4bMP9.jpg

who's that, paul thomas anderson or somesuch charlatan

Coens, soderbergh, abrams

Voted T2, which I just rewatched, entertaining as hell but "50 greatest", what the hell

you guys all seem pretty miserable btw, Nolan is a fine director, he's not quite this good but he's one of the few directors working now who can justify a long ass movie

No he cant, thats his major problem

ilx diagnoses depression w a new one question checklist: do you hate the films of christopher nolan

im so derpressed

two towers is the best lotr movie, at least in the extended editions; i haven't seen the theatrical versions since the theatre.

bttf is a masterpiece and the "racist marvin berry scene" objection has always been the biggest red herring ever. who do people think mjf learned rock n roll from? strom thurmond?

this is inception vs. usual suspects for me but i've never seen gump or shawshank.

he's one of the few directors working now who can justify a long ass movie

long ass-movie yuk yuk

http://www.cccconnection.com/assets/images/frog_director.jpg

btw, pretty sure this list 10 years ago would have had requiem for a dream on it - glad that the internet has elevated its standards somewhat

my question is, have you seen the 150+ minute movies lately that were NOT directed by Nolan. I agree his movies could be shorter. I agree that there is some moralizing which gets obnoxious but IMO it only "ruins" his movies if you're the type who instantly gets turned off at the slightest sense of "ughhh stop telling me how to THINK you facist, worst movie ever"

i like long movies, unless theyre bad, or unless theyre too long

hobbit, django

was django 2.5+ my lord

the master was really long right

i saw margaret yesterday

that was p fuckin long

i downloaded the directors cut of kingdom of heaven a couple days ago does that count

i watched six episodes of justified last night

Although objecting to B2TF because MJF invented rock is hilarious

― "Bellini." (DJP), Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:40 PM (3 hours ago)

glad somebody got this. I haven't actually decided what to vote for yet, altho bttf would def not make my top ten. there's a little of the rewatching "super awesome" tv shows when you were a kid aspect to it, its not quite as fun as it seemed at the time.

actually i guess lagoooooon gets credit for first spotting way up thread, but hey

tyvm

see, the thing is I am 100% certain I would enjoy Manimal and Automan just as much now as I did when I was a kid

try watching the a-team or dukes of hazard, report back

also how the fuck is ghostbusters not on this list, I FEAR THAT THIS LIST MAY BE INACCURATE

oh no way in HELL am I watching Dukes of Hazard now, I am certain I would explode in a ball of fury

If Ghostbusters had been here I might've voted for it

game recognize game

I really need to set aside some time to watch the older movies on this list

This would be so much easier if Inglorious Basterds had made the list

haha I love that you hated that movie so much

any movie whose main and first point of defense seems to always be "but but hilariously oversized pipe" is no friend of mine

But it had jewish suicide bombers?

sorry...

haha who says that

my main point of defense for the movie is the whole showdown in the tavern but that's mostly because when Fassbender ordered those extra drinks I said "oh shit, he just gave himself away" and then was overjoyed when the movie said "yup, he did"

also any movie where Eli Roth blows himself up is a-okay with me

^^^ haha, had same reaction to that scene the first time, felt so proud of myself (so 'sophisticated'!) to have caught it

I don't have a problem with that scene in BTTF (which totally is a masterpiece) but it is a little tone deaf, you might say. Also a missed opportunity to make a sly point about white appropriation of black music and "changing history" and whatnot.

it's a huge oversight in an 80's teen comedy about time travel alright, dock 6 marks out of ten

How is that scene not already a sly point about white appropriation of black music and "changing history"? It always read to me like the world's most pointed throwaway joke.

and from the director of the keenly-observed forest gump too iirc......

Jessica hopper walked out on that shit iirc

btw, pretty sure this list 10 years ago would have had requiem for a dream on it - glad that the internet has elevated its standards somewhat
― 乒乓, Thursday, March 7, 2013 11:11 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

from exactly 10 years ago... looks like it was #44 (thx wayback machine)

i enjoyed requiem at the time but would probably really hate it today.

btw, pretty sure this list 10 years ago would have had requiem for a dream on it - glad that the internet has elevated its standards somewhat

or Boondock Saints, yech

no boondock as far as i can tell
http://web.archive.org/web/20030428111601/http://us.imdb.com/top_250_films/

i kind of find the jennifer connelly storyline fascinating as a sort of fantasy madonna whore complex view of women who abuse drugs, kinda along the same lines of the erika christensen storyline in 'traffic'

ass2ass

))-((

You do realise, don't you, that the revolution controller means we will finally get...

http://vgresearcher.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/1262443128690.gif

loooool

the thing I really liked about RFAD was the relentlessly grim march towards unhappy endings for every main character

like, IIRC the person with the happiest ending is Marlon Wayans, which is some severe downer shit

ass2ass

― lag∞n, Thursday, March 7, 2013 1:54 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

Hungry4Ass2Ass

any movie whose main and first point of defense seems to always be "but but hilariously oversized pipe" is no friend of mine

― O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, March 7, 2013 10:34 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha who says that

my main point of defense for the movie is the whole showdown in the tavern but that's mostly because when Fassbender ordered those extra drinks I said "oh shit, he just gave himself away" and then was overjoyed when the movie said "yup, he did"

also any movie where Eli Roth blows himself up is a-okay with me

― "Bellini." (DJP), Thursday, March 7, 2013 10:37 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I say that when I list off things I liked about that movie. The tavern scene was also good. I didn't care for the movie, though. Walked away from it felling meh & was turned off by the opening scene. My main problem with that movie may be subjective, in that it's been a while since I could enjoy revenge fantasy movies--for lots of reasons--not the least of which are the mechanics that require an act of voyeurism into the brutalization of a sympathetic and vulnerable subject in order to get the payout of indignation, anger, blood-lust and righteous thrills, culminating in release through the brutalization and torture of the perpetrator. I just don't like that ride any more.

why isn't scarface on this? i had some half-baked theory on white nerds hating the rap (read: black) embrace of it and turning on the movie, but who knows. it seems like it'd be right up the alley of folks who like a lot of the shit on here

scarface is deeply beloved, it's got an 8.3

#128 in the 250

American History X is a great performance stuck in an absolutely horrible movie.

ahhh yeah i forgot to check the bottom reaches of the top 250 (the very bottom of which is really, really bizarre, a world where murnau and kim ki-duk coexist with ip man and the perks of being a wallflower)

xp

why don't we have a new poll where we post films that should be in the top 250?
aka obscure films i've watched that you probably haven't seen that i recommend you see because i am a patrician.

rum ham

rrrrrummmmm hhhhammmmm hrrrrummmm hhhammmmmmmm

http://tpsaye.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/treebeard.jpg

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

i feel like this is a two horse race for second place, the "winner" seems kind of obvious at this point.

Feel free to actually put your predictions down any time in the next 23 hours.

Was gonna say tbh.

1) gump
2) dark knight rises
3) inception

slightly regret not voting usual suspects looking at that...it's too fucking awful a movie to escape punishment. but nolan needs to be smashed.

it's kind of clever in that the "story" doesn't have much cohesion from scene to scene, but judging by internet comments this doesn't seem to be why people like it and may have not even been intentional

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[to Cobb]
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Yusuf: That many dreams within dreams is too unstable!
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Eames: If we are gonna perform Inception then we need imagination.
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Cobb: I'm just doing what you taught me.
Professor: I never taught you to be a thief.
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Arthur: With the slightest disturbance, the dream's going to collapse.
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[realizes that everyone else in the van is asleep]
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Cobb: You create the world of the dream. We bring the subject into that dream and fill it with their subconscious.
Ariadne: How could I ever acquire enough detail to make them think that it's reality?
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Cobb: I think positive emotion trumps negative emotion every time.
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Arthur: It would have to be a 747.
Cobb: Why is that?
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Saito: I bought the airline.
[Everybody turns and stares at him. Saito just shrugs]
Saito: It seemed neater.
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Ariadne: What's happening?
Arthur: Your subconscious is looking for the dreamer; me. Quick, give me a kiss.
Ariadne: [She kisses him and then looks around]
Ariadne: They're still looking at us.
Arthur: Yeah, it was worth a shot.
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Mal: I'll tell you a riddle. You're waiting for a train, a train that will take you far away. You know where you hope this train will take you, but you don't know for sure. But it doesn't matter. How can it not matter to you where that train will take you?
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Ariadne: [contemplating her totem] An elegant solution for keeping track of reality.
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Mal: You keep telling yourself what you know. But what do you believe? What do you feel?
Cobb: Guilt.
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Cobb: I miss you more than I can bear, but we had our time together. I have to let you go.
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Mal: If I jump, would I survive?
Cobb: A clean dive, perhaps. Mal, what are you doing here?
Mal: I thought you might be missing me.
Cobb: You know I am but I can't trust you anymore.
Mal: So what?
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Saito: You remind me of someone... a man I met in a half-remembered dream. He was possessed of some radical notions.
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[repeated line]
Arthur: Paradox.
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Mal: Do you know what it is to be a lover? Half of a whole?
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Ariadne: I just want to understand.
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Ariadne: [Confused] Wait, whose subconscious are we going into exactly?
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Saito: Don't you want to take a leap of faith? Or become an old man, filled with regret, waiting to die alone!
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Cobb: She locked away a secret, deep inside herself, something she once knew to be true... but chose to forget.
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Cobb: I came here to tell you... something.
[pause]
Cobb: Something that... you once knew to be true.
Saito: [remembering] Impossible...
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Cobb: You shouldn't be here.
Ariadne: I just wanted to see what kind of tests you're doing on your own every night.
Cobb: This has nothing to do with you.
Ariadne: This has everything to do with me. You've asked me to share dreams with you.
Cobb: Not these. These are my dreams.
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Ariadne: These aren't just dreams. These are memories. And you said never to use memories.
Cobb: I know I did.
Ariadne: You're trying to keep her alive. You can't let her go.
Cobb: You don't understand. These are moments I regret, the memories that I have to change.
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Ariadne: Why is it so important to dream?
Cobb: Because, in my dreams we are together.
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Arthur: And I will lead them on a merry chase.
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Cobb: I can't stay with her anymore because she doesn't exist.
Mal: I'm the only thing you do believe in anymore.
Cobb: I wish. I wish more than anything. But I can't imagine you with all your complexity, all you perfection, all your imperfection. Look at you. You are just a shade of my real wife. You're the best I can do; but I'm sorry, you are just not good enough.
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Professor: Come back to reality, Dom.
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Fischer: [handing his abductors his wallet] There's five hundred dollars in there. And the wallet's worth more than that.
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Cobb: The moment's passed. Whatever I do I can't change this moment. I'm about to call out to them. They run away. If I'm ever going to see their faces I've gotta get back home. The real world.
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Ariadne: These aren't just dreams, these are memories and you said never to use memories!
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[Mal attacks Cobb and Ariadne; Cobb closes elevator door before Mal can reach them]
Mal: You promised! You promised!
Cobb: Please, I just have to keep you here, just for now.
Mal: You said we'd be together! You said we'd grow old together!
Cobb: I'll come back, I promise.
[Mal glares at them]
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Cobb: You create the world of the dream, you bring the subject into that dream, and they fill it with their subconscious.
Ariadne: How could I ever acquire enough detail to make them think that its reality?
Cobb: Well dreams, they feel real while we're in them, right? It's only when we wake up that we realize how things are actually strange. Let me ask you a question, you, you never really remember the beginning of a dream do you? You always wind up right in the middle of what's going on.
Ariadne: I guess, yeah.
Cobb: So how did we end up here?
Ariadne: Well we just came from the a...
Cobb: Think about it Ariadne, how did you get here? Where are you right now?
Ariadne: We're dreaming?
Cobb: You're actually in the middle of the workshop right now, sleeping. This is your first lesson in shared dreaming. Stay calm.
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Cobb: I don't like trains.
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Cobb: [notices that he's being followed] That price on my head, was that dead or alive?
Eames: Not sure. See if he starts shooting.
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Cobb: What do you want?
Saito: Inception. Is it possible?
Arthur: Of course not.
Saito: If you can steal an idea, why can't you plant one there instead?
Arthur: Okay, this is me, planting an idea in your mind. I say: don't think about elephants. What are you thinking about?
Saito: Elephants?
Arthur: Right, but it's not your idea. The dreamer can always remember the genesis of the idea. True inspiration is impossible to fake.
Cobb: No, it's not.
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Mal: Your world is not real!
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Arthur: Eames, I am impressed.
Eames: Your condescension, as always, is much appreciated, Arthur, thank you.
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Ariadne: You mind telling your subconscious to take it easy?
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Cobb: I need to get home. That's all I care about right now.
Ariadne: Why can't you go home?
Cobb: Because they think I killed her.
Ariadne: [silence]
Cobb: Thank you.
Ariadne: For what?
Cobb: For not asking whether I did.
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Ariadne: Cobb, I'm coming with you.
Cobb: I promised Miles...
Ariadne: The team needs someone who understands what you're struggling with. And it doesn't have to be me, but then you have to show Arthur what I just saw.
Cobb: [to Saito] Get us another seat on the plane.
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Fischer: After my mother died, you know what he told me? "Robert, there's really nothing to be said."
Peter Browning: He was bad with emotions.
Fischer: I was eleven.
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Arthur: What about his security? It's gonna get worse as we go deeper.
Cobb: I think we run with Mr. Charles.
Arthur: No.
Eames: Who's Mr. Charles?
Arthur: Bad idea.
Cobb: The second we get in that hotel with Fischer, his security is gonna be all over us. We run with Mr. Charles like we did on the Stein job.
Eames: So you've done it before?
Arthur: Yeah, and it didn't work. The subject realized he was dreaming and his subconscious tore us to pieces.
Eames: Excellent. But you learned a lot, right?
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Cobb: [about Mal] She had locked something away, something deep inside her. The truth that she had once known, but... she chose to forget. Limbo became her reality.
Ariadne: What happened when you woke up?
Cobb: To wake up from that after, after years, after decades... after we'd become old souls thrown back into youth like that... I knew something was wrong with her. She just wouldn't admit it. Eventually, she told me the truth. She was possessed by an idea, this one, very simple idea, that changed everything. That our world wasn't real. That she needed to wake up to come back to reality, that, in order to get back home, we had to kill ourselves.
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Arthur: So, a totem. It's a small object, potentially heavy, something you can have on you all the time...
Ariadne: What, like a coin?
Arthur: No, it has to be more unique than that, like - this is a loaded die.
[Ariadne reaches out to take the die]
Arthur: Nah, I can't let you touch it, that would defeat the purpose. See only I know the balance and weight of this particular loaded die. That way when you look at your totem, you know beyond a doubt you're not in someone else's dream.
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Saito: I'll come back and we'll be young men together again.
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Cobb: I knew Inception was possible because I'd done it to my wife.
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Cobb: Inception. Now, before you bother telling me it's impossible...
Eames: No, it's perfectly possible. It's just bloody difficult.
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Mal: What are you doing here?
Ariadne: My name is...
Mal: I know who you are. What are you doing here?
Ariadne: I'm just trying to understand...
Mal: How could you understand? Do you know what it is to be a lover? To be half of a whole?
Ariadne: No...
Mal: I'll tell you a riddle. You're waiting for a train. A train that will take you far away. You know where you hope this train will take you; but you don't know for sure. But it doesn't matter. How can it not matter to you where that train will take you?
Cobb: Because you'll be together.
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Cobb: "I will split up my father's empire." Now, this is obviously an idea that Robert himself would choose to reject. Which is why we need to plant it deep in his subconscious. Subconscious is motivated by emotion, right? Not reason. We need to find a way to translate this into an emotional concept.
Arthur: How do you translate a business strategy into an emotion?
Cobb: That's what we're here to figure out, right? Now, Robert's relationship with his father is stressed, to say the least.
Eames: Well, can we run with that? We could suggest to him breaking up his father's company as a "screw-you" to the old man.
Cobb: No, 'cause I think positive emotion trumps negative emotion every time. We all yearn for reconciliation, for catharsis. We need Robert Fischer to have a positive emotional reaction to all this.
Eames: Alright, we'll try this, umm... "My father accepts that I want to create for myself, not follow in his footsteps."
Cobb: That might work.
Arthur: Might? We're gonna need to do a little better than 'might'.
Eames: Oh, thank you for your contribution, Arthur.
Arthur: Forgive me for wanting a little specificity, Eames.
[Eames appears confused at the word]
Arthur: Specificity?
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Eames: They come here every day to sleep?
Elderly Bald Man: [towards Cobb] No. They come to be woken up. The dream has become their reality. Who are you to say otherwise, son?
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Cobb: [over the phone] How are you, huh? How are you doing?
James: Okay, I guess.
Cobb: Who's just okay? Is that you, James?
James: Yeah. Is Mommy with you?
Cobb: James, we talked about this. Mommy's not here anymore.
James: Where?
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Mal: We'd be together forever. You promised me.
Cobb: I know. But we can't. And I'm sorry.
Mal: You remember when you asked me to marry you? You said you dreamt that we'd grow old together.
Cobb: But we did. We did. You don't remember?... I miss you more than I can bear, but... we had our time together. And I have to let go... I have to let you go.
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Mal: Tell me, do the children miss me?
Cobb: You can't imagine...
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[repeated lines]
Cobb: You're waiting for a train. A train that'll take you far away. You know where you hope this train will take you. But you can't know for sure. Yet it doesn't matter. Now, tell me why?
Mal: Because you'll be together!
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Cobb: What is the most resilient parasite? Bacteria? A virus? An intestinal worm? An idea. Resilient... highly contagious. Once an idea has taken hold of the brain it's almost impossible to eradicate. An idea that is fully formed - fully understood - that sticks; right in there somewhere.
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Yusuf: Brain function in the dream will be about twenty times to normal. When you enter a dream within that dream, the effect is compounded: it's three dreams, that's ten hours times twen...
Eames: I'm sorry, uh, maths was never my strong subject. How much time is that?
Cobb: It's a week the first level down. Six months the second level down, and... the third level...
Ariadne: ...is ten years! Who would wanna be stuck in a dream for ten years?
Yusuf: Depends on the dream.
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Arthur: Where were you? What happened to you?
Cobb: Got blocked by a freight train.
Arthur: [to Ariadne] Why would you put a train course in the middle of a downtown intersection?
Ariadne: Why, I didn't.
Arthur: Where did it come from?
Cobb: Let me ask you a question, why the hell were we ambushed, huh? Those were not normal projections. They've been trained, for God's sakes!
Arthur: You're right.
Ariadne: How could they be trained?
Arthur: Fischer's had an extractor teach his subconscious to defend itself, so, his subconscious has militarized. It should have shown in the research. I'm sorry.
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Mal: You're infecting my mind!
Cobb: I was trying to save you.
Mal: You betrayed me, but you can still make amends. You can still keep your promise. We can still be together, right here. In the world we built together.
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Fischer: Couldn't somebody have dreamt up a goddamn beach?
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Arthur: So, once we've made the plant, how do we go out? Hope you have something more elegant in mind than shooting me in the head?
Cobb: A kick.
Ariadne: What's a kick?
Eames: This, Ariadne, would be a kick
[kicks the leg of the chair Arthur's swinging at]
Arthur: [finds his balance and glares at Eames]
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Ariadne: That's some subconscious you've got on you, Cobb! She's a real charmer!
Arthur: Oh, I see you've met Mrs Cobb.
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Arthur: Cobb said you'd be back.
Ariadne: I tried not to come, but...
Arthur: But there's nothing quite like it.
Ariadne: It's just... pure creation.
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Arthur: You couldn't have peed before you went under?
Yusuf: Sorry.
Eames: A bit too much free champagne before take off, Yusuf?
Yusuf: Ha ha, bloody ha.
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Ariadne: I guess I thought the dream-space would be all about the visual, but it's more about the feeling. My question is what happens when you start messing with the physics of it.
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Cobb: If I get on this plane and you don't honor our agreement, when we land, I go to jail for the rest of my life.
Saito: Complete the job en route. I make one phone call from the plane. You'll have no trouble getting through Immigration.
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Cobb: There's no use threatening him in a dream, right, Mal?
Mal: It depends on what you're threatening. Killing him will just wake him up. But pain...
[shoots Arthur in the knee]
Mal: Pain is in the mind, and judging by the decor we're in your mind, aren't we, Arthur?
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Ariadne: [wakes up after being stabbed by Mal in a dream] Why... why wouldn't I wake up?
Arthur: 'Cause there was still some time on the clock and you can't wake up from within a dream unless you die.
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Arthur: Asshole! How did you mess up the carpet?
Nash: It wasn't my fault.
Arthur: You're the architect!
Nash: I didn't know he was going to rub his damn cheek on it!
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Ariadne: Won't you tell me anything about this first?
Cobb: Before I describe the job I have to know you can do it.
Ariadne: Why?
Cobb: It's not, strictly speaking, legal.
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Ariadne: My subconscious seems polite enough.
Arthur: Well wait, it'll turn ugly. No one wants to feel someone else messing around their mind.
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Ariadne: Cobb can't build anymore, can he?
Arthur: I don't know if he can't, but he won't. He thinks it's safer if he doesn't know the layouts.
Ariadne: Why?
Arthur: He won't tell me. But I think it's Mal.
Ariadne: His ex-wife?
Arthur: No, not his ex.
Ariadne: They're still together?
Arthur: No, she... she's dead. What you see in there is just his projection of her.
Ariadne: What was she like in real life?
Arthur: She was lovely.
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Eames: Great. Thank you. So, now we're trapped in Fischer's mind battling his own private army, and if we get killed, we'll be lost in limbo till our brains turn to scrambled egg.
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Arthur: And you! You knew about this and went along with it!
Yusuf: I trusted him!
Arthur: You trusted him! What, when he promised you half his share?
Yusuf: No, his whole share. Besides he said he'd done it before.
Arthur: You've done it before? What, with Mal? 'Cause that worked so good!
Cobb: That has nothing to do with it. I did what I had to do to get back to my children.
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Saito: [thinking it's Eames shape shifted into Browning] Hey, I see you've changed.
Peter Browning: [confused] Sorry?
Eames: [appears in the background and silently warns Saito it's not him]
Saito: Ahh... I'm sorry. I mistook you for a friend.
Peter Browning: Well, good-looking fellow, I'm sure.
Eames: That's Fischer's projection of Browning. Let's follow him and see how he behaves.
Saito: Why?
Eames: Because how he acts will tell us if Fischer is starting to suspect him just the way we want him to.
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[as the dream collapses]
Mal: [to Saito, handing him his secrets] He was close. Very close.
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[first lines]
Saito's Attendant: He was delirious but asked for you by name. Show him...
Japanese Security Guard: He was carrying nothing but this...
[gun]
Japanese Security Guard: And this...
[spinning top]
Saito: Are you here to kill me?
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Cobb: They say we only use a fraction of our brain's true potential. Now that's when we're awake. When we're asleep, we can do almost anything.
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Ariadne: Why are they all looking at me?
Cobb: Because my subconscious feels that someone else is creating this world. The more you change things, the quicker the projections start to converge on you.
Ariadne: Converge?
Cobb: It's the foreign nature of the dreamer. They attack like white blood cells fighting an infection.
Ariadne: They're going to attack us?
Cobb: No. Just you.
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Mal: No creeping doubts? Not feeling persecuted, Dom? Chased around the globe by anonymous corporations and police forces, the way the projections persecute the dreamer? Admit it: you don't believe in one reality anymore. So choose. Choose to be here. Choose me.
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[Saito has been shot in the chest]
Cobb: How's he doing?
Ariadne: He's in a lot of pain.
Cobb: When we get down to the lower levels, the pain will be less intense.
Ariadne: And if he dies?
Cobb: Worst case scenario? When he wakes up, his mind is completely gone.
Saito: Cobb. I'll still honor the arrangement.
Cobb: I appreciate that, Saito, but when you wake up, you won't even remember that we had an arrangement. Limbo's gonna become your reality. You're gonna be lost down there so long that you're gonna become an old man.
Saito: Filled with regret.
Cobb: Waiting to die alone.
Saito: No. I'll come back. And we'll be young men together again.
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Cobb: You got the basic layout. Bookstore, cafe, almost everything else is here too.
Ariadne: Who are the people?
Cobb: Projections of my subconscious.
Ariadne: Yours?
Cobb: Yes. Remember, you are the dreamer, you build this world. I am the subject, my mind populates it. You can literally talk to my subconscious. That's one of the ways we extract information from the subject.
Ariadne: How else do you do it?
Cobb: By creating something secure, like a bank vault or a jail. The mind automatically fills it with information it's trying to protect. Understand?
Ariadne: Then you break in and steal it?
Cobb: Well...
Ariadne: I guess I thought that the dream space would be all about the visual. But it's more about a feel of it. My question is what happens when you start messing with the physics of it all...?
[folds city on top of itself]
Ariadne: It's something, isn't it?
Cobb: Yes, it is.
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Ariadne: Why are they all looking at me?
Cobb: Because my subconscious feels that someone else is creating this world. The more you change things, the quicker the projections start to converge on you.
Ariadne: Converge?
Cobb: They sense the foreign nature of the dreamer. they attack like white blood cells fighting an infection.
Ariadne: What? They're going to attack us?
Cobb: No, no.
[quietly; almost to himself]
Cobb: Just you.
[creates a new bridge over the street]
Cobb: This is great, but I'm telling you, if you keep changing things...
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[creates a whole new location out of two mirrors]
Cobb: Very impressive.
[notices Mal; flashback of himself and Mal on the same bridge]
Cobb: I know this bridge. This place is real, isn't it?
Ariadne: Yeah, I cross it everyday on the way to the college.
Cobb: Never recreate places from your memory. Always imagine new places.
Ariadne: Well, you gotta draw from stuff you know, right?
Cobb: Only use details, a street lamp or a phone booth, never entire areas.
Ariadne: Why not?
Cobb: Because building a dream from your memory is the easiest way to lose your grasp on what's real and what is a dream.
Ariadne: Is that what happened to you?
[grabs her arm]
Cobb: Hey listen to me. This has nothing to do with me. Understand?
Ariadne: Is that why you need me to build your dreams?
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Cobb: Downwards is the only way forwards.
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Eames: Ah. So, this is your idea of losing a tail, huh?
Cobb: Different tail.
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Cobb: All right, we continue on with the job, and we do it as fast as possible, and we get out using the kick, just like before.
Eames: Forget it. We go any deeper, we just raise the stakes. I am sitting this one out on this level, boys.
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Ariadne: You might have the rest of the team convinced to carry on with this job, but they don't know the truth.
Cobb: Truth? What truth?
Ariadne: The truth that at any minute, you might bring a freight train through the wall. The truth that Mal is bursting through your subconscious. And the truth that as we go deeper into Fischer, we're also going deeper into you. And... I'm not sure we're gonna like what we find.
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Ariadne: Do you think you can just build a prison of memories to lock her in? Do you really think that that's gonna contain her?
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Eames: Fischer's OK, unless he gets car-sick.
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Fischer: [of his father] At the end, he called me to his deathbed. He could barely speak; but he took the trouble to tell me one last thing. He pulled me close... and I could only make out... one word: "Disappointed."
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Saito: Have you come to kill me? I've been waiting for someone...
Cobb: Someone from a half remembered dream.
Saito: Cobb? Impossible. We were young men together. I'm an old man.
Cobb: Filled with regret...
Saito: Waiting to die alone...
Cobb: I've come back for you... to remind you of something. Something you once knew...
[the top spins without end]
Cobb: That this world is not real.
Saito: To convince me to honor our arrangement.
Cobb: To take a leap of faith, yes. Come back... so we can be young men together again. Come back with me...
[Saito reaches for the gun]
Cobb: Come back...
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Arthur: [Getting out of the water after the kicks] What happened?
Ariadne: Cobb stayed.
Arthur: With Mal?
Ariadne: No, to find Saito.
Arthur: He'll be lost.
Ariadne: No he'll be all right.
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Maurice Fischer: [Robert opens the vault to see Maurice on his death bed struggling to say something] Disa... disap... disappointed
Fischer: I know, Dad. I know you were disappointed I couldn't be you.
Maurice Fischer: No. No, no. I was disappointed... that you tried.
[Robert opens the safe to find the new Last Will and Testament along with the pinwheel from when he was a kid. The inception has worked]
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Cobb: I'm going to improvise. Listen, there's something you should know about me... about inception. An idea is like a virus, resilient, highly contagious. The smallest seed of an idea can grow. It can grow to define or destroy you.
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Eames: What you have to do it start at the absolute basic.
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Arthur: Eames, I am impressed.
Eames: Your condescension, as always, is much appreciated, Arthur. Thank you.
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Arthur: What's going on up there?
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Fischer: I'm insured against kidnapping for up to 10 million.
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Fischer: I'm insured against kidnapping for up to 10 million. This should be very simple.
Cobb: Shut up! It won't be.
Arthur: In your father's office, below the bookshelves is his personal safe. We need the combination.
Fischer: I don't know any safe.
Cobb: That doesn't mean you don't know the combination. Tell us what it is.
Fischer: I don't know.
Arthur: We have it on good authority you do know.
Fischer: Yeah? Whose authority?
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Mal: [Sitting on the ledge, to Cobb] I'm asking you to take a leap of faith.
Cobb: No I can't. You know I can't do that. Take a second, think about our children. Think about James. Think about Phillipa now.
Mal: If I go without you they'll take them away anyways.
Cobb: What does that mean?
Mal: I filed a letter with our attourney explaining how I'm fearful for my safety. How you've threatened to kill me.
Cobb: Why did you do that?
Mal: I love you, Dom.
Cobb: Why did you... why-why would you do that?
Mal: I freed you from the guilt of choosing to leave them. We're going home to our real children.
Cobb: No, no, no, no. Mal you listen to me, alright? Mal look at me, please.
Mal: [Closing her eyes] You're waiting for a train...
Cobb: Mal, goddammit! Don't do this!
Mal: A train that will take you far away...
Cobb: James and Phillipa are waiting!
Mal: You know where you hope this train will take you...
Cobb: They're waiting for us!
Mal: But you can't know for sure...
Cobb: Mal, look at me!
Mal: Yet it doesn't matter...
Cobb: Mal, goddammit!
Mal: Because you'll be together.
Cobb: Sweetheart! Look at me!
Mal: [Jumps off of the ledge]
Cobb: Mal, no! Jesus Christ!
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Fischer: [to Saito, out of breath after evading an avalanche] Man, couldn't someone have dreamt up a goddamn beach? Huh?
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