why is a rockist 70s poll running?

or more to the point why is there an anti pop anti disco
anti electronic white rockpoll that started in october
still running?
i had hoped ilm and ag had got over that sickness.

"Rockist", not heard that in a while

I guess there's just a meanness in this world.

Hello, is your rockist 70's poll running?

AG = Algerian Goalkeeper? Yeah, that dude only likes white music.

the sad state of the world today

AG = Algerian Goalkeeper? Yeah, that dude only likes white music.

As loathe as I am to stand up for his poll-running practices, he actually has a pretty healthy knowledge of large swaths of jazz and loves funk music deep down. The reason that poll is so exclusionary and focused on basically "white music" is that he feels like ILM mostly covers stuff that isn't that (and Tuomas has a disco poll coming down the pipeline).

Who gave the ok for this, which mod in particular, like?

geir

(xxp) uh I thought it was obvious I was being ironic there... but no

haha

xp
er, we don't have to have approval to start polls, do we?

Got yr back tom. Tho he is a fierce racist besides iirc

ilm needs more rockism imo

the main problem is that it's been going on for almost 5 months now, and the voting isn't even over

no approval to start polls, he says! what mod approved that post?

AG's is like the world's most enthusiastic funk fan ever - mind you he's like that about everything

i assume at least 4 of those 5 months were spent deliberating over what's allowed in the poll

the main problem is that it's been going on for almost 5 months now, and the voting isn't even over

― ( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:39 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

pfunkkkboy

xp
wait a second we don't need mod approval for each and every post do we??

oh wait a second i see wh

Poll that whitey music pfunkboy

Who Says a Funk Fan Can't Poll White Music?

i think these polls should have to wait in line like the rest of them, but as Tom mentioned, the scariest part of this whole thing is that we're letting AG continue the race war that jon/via/chi started

dude

k3vin

Ah fuckin tits what'd you do kev

Tetsuo pulse skipping somewhere deep in the bowels of the city rn

to answer the question in the OP: it is because ilm posters can start any poll they damn well please and the mods aren't such dicks as to censor a rockist poll just because it is rockist. they have better ways to spend their time.

why do you ask?

what if everyone else on ilm is just poppist...think about it man...

I'm a classicist

As pointed out upthread, there's a lot of funk being touted in that poll, so let's not completely misrepresent it.

I had hoped the poptimists had won and rockist
polls had been banished.

for the record i did not start this thread even though i brought up the october thing on that poll thread. but mostly cuz the thread title is rilly long and i've seen it forever. but i of course will defend to the death uh the right to have long drawn out whatevers wherever.

yes but now we're back for the direct-to-video sequel

a poll that covers rock music isn't rockist, a poll that covers all music and only ends up w/ rock music is rockist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSvnIwg0lEA

if a poll starts in the woods, is it October?

Rocktober surely?

Gimme a sec dan i'll work up a bear shitting/communism line

The October Defecation

Logged in to the old mod account to see if the threadstarter was PEW. Results inconclusive.

fwiw the poll was postponed in October until after the EOY polls as Blount and I didn't have the time to do it justice. So it only resumed in feb so not exactly running for 5 months.

so it's been running for 2 months, walking in place for 3?

hahaha WMC otm

Also a complete lack of women nominated.
Doubtful any women are on the thread either. Polls should be for lols.

You're being passive aggresive

You're being fp'd

k8 of the world today

You're being passive aggressive

Sorry, I guess it's not my place to joke about strangers

"i had hoped... ag had got over that sickness."

such concern

haha sickness

I had hoped the socktimists won

i just went and looked at the nom list for that poll and the amount of women represented is kinda lol

great thread

well you and others could have nominated
xp

i'm glad someone finally had the courage to keep women out of a poll - they're everywhere these days

literally

"the state of the world today" is AG's buddy isn't he?

got to admit I'm a bit confused by a poll that covers mainstream rock as long as it is "hard and heavy", rock which isn't heavy as long as it's weird and not mainstream, and funk but only if it's not disco-related, and nothing in between - even if it's by an artist whose other albums meet these fairly arbitrary requirements

also suspecting that if this is the stuff that AG feels doesn't get enough Best 70s Ever love, not just in general but even in the previous ILM Alternative 70s poll, then one of these disparate strands may get short shrift here too and need yet another confusingly delineated poll

but hey, other people clearly get it as they've nominated and voted and such, and AG is a good guy and interesting stuff was nominated so I expect the results will be p. cool despite my confusion (or even because of it)

There's over 1000 albums nominated, if there is a lack of women nominated then that is hardly my fault. There was no limit to nominations and every ilxor could have taken part.

I'm pretty sure everyone could find at least 20 albums (the max is 100) to vote for from the nominations.

god ag i think what we're all wondering is why you are such a sexist

and you will all be glad to know it finishes march 8th

lol mordy. you got me. i only like music by white men with guitars

surprised people can post on this thread knowing our time on this planet is so brief.

80s poll was more rockist iirc. But yeah there were 7 posts between november and february so whining about "five months" is a little disingenuous

like you can't go anywhere these last 5 months w/o seeing 1970-1979 WTF - The Hard 'n' Heavy 'n' Loud + Krautrock, Arty, Noisy, Weird, Funky, Punky Shit - Albums Poll! - VOTING THREAD! Closes Mar 8th 11.59 PM UK Time - All ILXORS/LURKERS WELCOME. It's on every billboard, every bus stop. Every time you turn on the tv there it is, 1970-1979 WTF - The Hard 'n' Heavy 'n' Loud + Krautrock, Arty, Noisy, Weird, Funky, Punky Shit - Albums Poll! - VOTING THREAD! Closes Mar 8th 11.59 PM UK Time - All ILXORS/LURKERS WELCOME. You poor beleaguered souls :-(

LG you just did!

There's over 1000 albums nominated, if there is a lack of women nominated then that is hardly my fault. There was no limit to nominations and every ilxor could have taken part.

― Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:07 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well in fairness this is good evidence of a problem! though accurately locating the problem is the trick.

is it in the political economy of music-making in the 70s? or in that of "music remembering" in the '10s? in ILM? or in... algerian goalkeeper himself.

i mean, i'd pick a couple of those to examine. but who did our brave interlocutor go after...

if people dont want to nominate then I can hardly force them. I do not know why most nominate male artists. That seems to be a general problem on ilx and I daresay music crits/media in general. Look at all lists. By having open limitless voting I provide the chance for everything to be nominated. I cant help what is nominated or not.
I just nominated as much funk as I could!

Most of the complaints do tend to come from those who didn't nominate. Why didn't they nominate instead of moaning now?

guess which one is more fun

and you all can still vote and make the poll 'better' by doing so. Rather than waiting for the results to bitch n moan.

Here is the voting form
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dEN3MGdQQkdWWUtsM19SYlZ0UTdzQkE6MQ

Please make sure you copy and paste your selections directly from the following spreadsheet: ALBUMS: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AumbddEHET5xdEZaQ0paMUZpNEdGeUdRSGRTY3BfV2c

it's not too late to vote patti smith #1

why do women never want to rock

I thought it was going to be a joke, similar to: why did the rockist 70s poll crossed the road?

To not forget to vote in the 1970-1979 WTF - The Hard 'n' Heavy 'n' Loud + Krautrock, Arty, Noisy, Weird, Funky, Punky Shit - Albums Poll! - VOTING THREAD! Closes Mar 8th 11.59 PM UK Time - All ILXORS/LURKERS WELCOME

:D

why isn't this on ILM?

the poll is absolutely sexist, if it wasn't then these awesome bands/women would've been nominated

the raincoats
the slits
au pairs
monitor
DNA
mars
teenage jesus & the jerks
destroy all monsters
cramps
comus
black flag
lene lovich
amon duul II
os mutantes
crass
james chance & the contortions
the adverts
the bags
jefferson airplane
kleenex
nervous gender
nina hagen
siouxsie & the banshees
penetration
the fall
the mekons
the nuns
throbbing gristle
x-ray spex
yoko ono

oh wait they were all nominated never mind you total fucking idiot

Like 70s rock albums we designed the 70s rock poll to go on forever and eventually piss people off due to its flagrant excesses.

Also please don't forget about the para-rockist 70s tracks poll I took over showrunner duties for and am doing a terrible job of promoting!

at least change your user name ffs

rock poll in rockist shockah

why are we complaining about this poll? We -- I've -- started a zillion more frivolous threads. the whole point of the poll iirc was that it would lean contrarian and and had AG's aesthetic perimeters. It's specifically a rock poll.

I thought it was mostly about SEO for ILX by mentioning ROLLING STONE a billion times.

lol

I'm looking forward to our upcoming partnership with BuzzfeedMusic

ILX brought to you by PEPSI THE CHOICE OF A NEW GENERATION

have i missed the chance to say "who gives a shit" already

no

cool

who gives a shit

"the state of the world today" is AG's buddy isn't he?

― :C (crüt), Thursday, 28 February 2013 19:51 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Eh? Are you saying you are "state of the world today"? You can't use sockpuppets to nominate extra albums.

― Tuomas, Sunday, 25 October 2009 16:16 (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no no no, my mate uses that nick when hes over here.

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 25 October 2009 16:17 (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkp

http://linziloop.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/etsy-street-team-logo-v1.jpg

why isn't this on ILM?

― Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, 28 February 2013 21:07 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

cross-plug; crossplug n. 1. An announcement for a station’s or network’s other programs, or an advertiser’s other products, made during a program or advertisement. Often these cross-plugs are spoken by announcers or appear in the form of graphics in the corner of the screen during a show. 2. A trailer for a film being shown at another theater (generally one under the same management). 3. Using one product to promote another. See trailer crossplug. Compare advertising tie-in; billboard.

lol

my mate

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_M1wYvgUtKoY/TOhhhInHM1I/AAAAAAAAAHg/3wJS9CIZupQ/s1600/my-mate.jpg

surprised people can post on this thread knowing our time on this planet is so brief.

― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:11 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

<3

The poll has to be one of the least white 70s 'rock' polls in history! Most recent discussion: favourite Fela Kuti albums.

My top 20 will probably be at least 60% non-white people, not that it matters.

rock poll in rockist shockah

― Neil S, Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:12 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^so glad the "shockah" thing is rare these days

This is v OTM btw:

a poll that covers rock music isn't rockist, a poll that covers all music and only ends up w/ rock music is rockist

glad to see we're still tackling the very real person who started the thread and their very genuine opinions

Les hope everyone votes for lots of parliament, funkadelic, mandrill, ohio players, isley brothers, osibisa et al

xp

otm. Bet whoever it is isnt even black or a woman or in their 70's

ahahahahaha @ all this

well known white rock band
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-T1sFSR1jQ9g/UHnVCeq_2EI/AAAAAAAAAUc/IusDDWAFD_g/s1600/maggot+brain+cover.jpg
http://www.peoples-records.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Funkadelic-Free-Your-Mind.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-en_faJjXEJc/UMyoxjprliI/AAAAAAAABpA/e8HOKY_A63E/s1600/Funkadelic+Frt+Covers+1974.JPG

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_knLOBP6FJ_k/TSipWygjbRI/AAAAAAAACI4/OK0Ma7DV1zs/s1600/High%2BOn%2BYou.jpg

http://image.lyricspond.com/image/t/artist-the-isley-brothers/album-go-for-your-guns/cd-cover.jpg
http://991.com/newgallery/The-Isley-Brothers-Showdown-512849.jpg
http://www.soulstrut.com/images/uploads/reviews/51c5-hfndll_sl500_.jpg

http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/10/72/22/2335910/5/628x471.jpg
Ernie 'Motherfuckin' Isley.

Holy shit now he's doing it to his parody thread ffs

This mandrill isnt white! ;)
http://static-photos.weeloop.com/thx/2009/09/mandrill-is-18752.jpg
http://www2.sk-static.com/images/media/img/col4/20100309-164236-913980.jpg

you crazy for this one AG! hov!

tbf i had nothing to do with this thread. I just never let on i knew who it was!
If it wasnt for that pesky crutis ...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-O5qjQw27W-8/T1WQuF5laWI/AAAAAAAAALw/_1GMSFknjKs/s1600/Ohio+Players+Skin+Tight+Front+gatefold.png

dude i <3 your joie de vivre but you must be on meds

the NSFW full version of Honey http://cdnl.complex.com/mp/620/400/80/0/bb/1/ffffff/c19b7570945f41d8f5ff02a782f671f0/images_/assets/CHANNEL_IMAGES/MUSIC/2012/05/the-40-most-ratchet-music-rumors/ohioplayershoney_249917.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2tDCqQhC_a8/T9JGTS8LN8I/AAAAAAAAAhs/L3AomnikcBU/s1600/Ohio%2BPlayers%2B_fire.jpg

No such thing as bad publicity imo

- Bob Marley

I was gonna but thought it was too lame. Consider that, and yourself imo

- Gerald Ratner

secretly a great thread now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayhpzgUrPQM

the lols of black folk

"to get to the dark side of the moon"

"because it wanted to break on through to the other side"

"because it's living life in the fast lane"

:)

baby it was born to run

oh lol I just saw the other thread

yeah darraghmac beat you!

got to admit I'm a bit confused by a poll that covers mainstream rock as long as it is "hard and heavy", rock which isn't heavy as long as it's weird and not mainstream, and funk but only if it's not disco-related, and nothing in between - even if it's by an artist whose other albums meet these fairly arbitrary requirements

also suspecting that if this is the stuff that AG feels doesn't get enough Best 70s Ever love, not just in general but even in the previous ILM Alternative 70s poll, then one of these disparate strands may get short shrift here too and need yet another confusingly delineated poll

― susuwatari teenage riot (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:03 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is otm. i have no problem with people having idiosyncratic personal canons but, like, chuck eddy just makes his own lists, he doesn't spend months and months corralling as many people as he can to play within the boundaries of 'metal' that only he understands. it's this weird mix of wanting others to participate while also wanting complete control over the boundaries that makes these AG polls kind of obnoxious and in a pretty different spirit than other fun silly ilm polls imo.

Aspergian Goalkeeper

Pollmaker

and funk but only if it's not disco-related

brass construction and b.t. express were nominated by me. as for the trax poll that was Balls poll and rules. I have nothing to do with it really.

anyway everybody is welcome to join in and i do enjoy your input some dude.

and i disagree my polls are obnoxious and unfun. Plenty get a lot of enjoyment out of them.

it's this weird mix of wanting others to participate while also wanting complete control over the boundaries that makes these AG polls kind of obnoxious and in a pretty different spirit than other fun silly ilm polls imo.

I don't know, the arbitrary boundaries are themselves pretty silly which I think does make it a little more fun than most ilm polls. but I'm not going to vote because the nominating, discussion and listmaking are what's fun to me. I think it's weird that people get worked up because it's a poll. If it were the rolling "post heavy, weird, funky '70s shit that rolling stone hates" thread nobody would complain. But because it's a poll it's somehow serious business?

I think the spirit of this poll is very positive and not really all that hard to understand. The boundaries established are to make sure that the overall results are "rockin" but also include stuff left out of the 'traditional' 70s rock cannon. I think such a poll has been done before but I didn't get to take part in it so I really DGAF if its being re-done or whatever.

Also I am pretty into lists and polls and that might be seen as disgusting or whatever by some other people but again, IDGAF.

and this poll was actually a bunch of people. balls,myself,sund4r,edward and hellhouse who got together to decide the parameters. Yes the 80s poll was all me but the 70s poll is collaborative. Infact fastnbulbous is co-running it.

wk the discussion is the most fun part for me too! but voting leads to good results (hopefully) that then gives us good discussion.

balls,myself,sund4r,edward and hellhouse who got together to decide the parameters.

You maintained and exercised a final veto over everything though. I just offered input/suggestions when asked. I don't mind, especially because having an organizational role seems like a lot of work, and I am clearly enjoying the poll, but I want it to be clear what my role is.

yeah but i went with what you all decided

i just made it clear you couldnt veto funk or krautrock :)

it was the others who vetoed minimalism and stuff like that after crut complained on thread.

RIP steve reich

i guess i don't understand the point of drawing up all these complex ideas about what to include/exclude. i mean, ballpark figure, what % of the 200 albums that placed in the two previous '70s polls are eligible for this one? it's gotta be a pretty large amount, right? what's the point? it's not like those lists were overrun with R&B anyway. it's all a little "white history month" to constantly be protesting that ILM doesn't like rock music enough and we have to come up with special ways to recognize it.

y'all stfu and let kerr have his poll

some dude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d1i35T5yAk

it wouldn't be an AG mega-poll without discourse from some dude on why it's unnecessary. all is as it should be imo

Waaaaaah you fucking babies.

Ok sorry that was meaner than I meant to be, I am not in the best mood atm. But srsly, who has time to handwring abt a poll on ilm man idgi

eh i don't think anyone's losing sleep over it but as usual we're back at the universal internet impasse of "you posted on this trivial topic oh my god i can't believe you CARE which you clearly do while my posts about your posts are so clearly done from the appropriate emotional distance"

Well

plus, is there nothing more true to ilx than arguing about nonsensical board politics while throwing around accusations of latent racism? threads like this make me feel alive.

sexism is just the icing on the urinal cake

some dude is the smile on a dog

White americans be so jealous that everyone else has history lol

AG, I don't know if you were watching, but Andrew Neil namechecked George Clinton on "This Week" last night

I wasn't. Why did he do that?

You know I can't actually remember the exact context... but, you can take the boy out of Paisley but etc

who knew pfunk was popular in paisley

hey tom did you know your entire record collection of white male 'white history month' albums are nominated in the poll?

the lols of black folk

― in a chef-driven ambulance (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:45 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thread brings it

is it going to bring yr vote? Otherwise THREAD FAIL

the odds of me voting in this poll asymptotically approach zero

sexist!

I think you meant "sexiEst!"

ok, Nigel

btw here is the NME top albums of the 70s. (I bet tom owns them all)

1. What’s Going On - Marvin Gaye ‘71
2. Never Mind The Bollocks - The Sex Pistols ‘77
3. The Clash - The Clash ‘77
4. Unknown Pleasures - Joy Division ‘79
5. Exile On Main Street - The Rolling Stones ‘72
6. London Calling - The Clash ‘79
7. The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust.. - David Bowie ‘72
8. Horses - Patti Smith ‘75
9. Blue - Joni Mitchell ‘72
10. Marquee Moon - Television ‘77
11. All Mod Cons - The Jam ‘78
12. Hunky Dory - David Bowie ‘71
13. Surf’s Up - The Beach Boys ‘71
14. Bryter Later - Nick Drake ‘70
15. Innervisions - Stevie Wonder ‘73
16. Parallel Lines - Blondie ‘78
17. Moondance - Van Morrison ‘70
18. Lust For Life - Iggy Pop ‘77
19. After The Goldrush - Neil Young ‘70
20. Grievous Angel - Gram Parsons ‘74
21. Who’s Next - The Who ‘71
22. Harvest - Neil Young ‘72
23. Metal Box - Pil ‘79
24. Low - David Bowie ‘77
25. The Specials - The Specials ‘79
26. John Lennon & The Plastic Ono Band - John Lennon & The Plastic Ono Band ‘71
27. For Your Pleasure - Roxy Music ‘73
28. The Idiot - Iggy Pop ‘77
29. Blood On The Tracks - Bob Dylan ‘75
30. There’s A Riot Goin’ On - Sly And The Family Stone ‘71
31. Pink Flag - Wire ‘77
32. Clear Spot - Captain Beefheart ‘72
33. Berlin - Lou Reed ‘73
34. Imagine - John Lennon ‘71
35. Saturday Night Fever - Original Soundtrack ‘78
36. Another Green World - Brian Eno ‘75
37. Setting Sons - The Jam ‘79
38. King Tubby Meets Rockers Uptown - Augustus Pablo ‘76
39. Third/Sister Lovers - Big Star ‘78
40. The Kick Inside - Kate Bush ‘78
41. LA Woman - The Doors ‘71
42. Entertainment - Gang Of Four ‘79
43. Tonight’s The Night - Neil Young ‘75
44. Diana Ross Presents - The Jackson Five ‘73
45. Let’s Get It On - Marvin Gaye ‘73
46. If Only I Could Remember My Name - David Crosby ‘71
47. Marcus Garvey - Burning Spear ‘75
48. Funhouse - The Stooges ‘70
49. First Issue - Pil ‘78
50. The Undertones - The Undertones ‘79

i own 24 of those. but i own two copies of funhouse. one canadian copy and one french copy.

do you ever get any of these in the shop scott?

I have 27.

that's a lot of copies of funhouse

Fuck owning a Bob Dylan album

I think any poll that attempts to be anti-canon should first define the canon (collect a bunch of lists like the above) and then disqualify all of the artists that are part of that canon. My only problem with AG's poll is that it's too inclusive and the nominations ended up including a ton of canonical stuff.

There were conflicting goals imo: polling an aesthetic (albums that rock) vs being somehow anti-canonical or anti-RS.

so we compromised. And with 1000+ nominations nobody has had any problem making ballots. Out of 56 album ballots so far more than half have filled out all 100 places.

Pretty good going and I think a lot of people have had fun checking out unknown albums to them. And hopefully more will do the same when the rollout begins.
The length of voting was decided due to seandalai being too busy to do tabulating (also why the big ILM EOY poll had to be completed early).

Seandalai is the only reason these polls can be done. So we need to do it when it suits him. I for one are thankful he volunteers his services.

As for nominations "missing" why not take part in them?
And if you think the results wont be to your liking then vote and improve them.

And this is how the rules were set up for the trax poll

tracks sister to 1970-1979 WTF - The Hard 'n' Heavy 'n' Loud + Krautrock, Arty, Noisy, Weird, Funky, Punky Shit - Albums Poll! Nominations ! (ends Oct 17 you slack bastards - jjjusten edit)). as i explained there - i'm really hoping to see alot of tracks that would qualify from artists/albums that really don't qualify for albums poll (not restricting it to that mind you, you can still vote for 'supernaut' don't worry, just saying if you wanted to nominate goodbye yellow brick road on the basis that some of it really does rawk well it's gonna get vetoed here i bet but in tracks poll 'all the girls love alice' and 'saturday's alright for fighting' could totally get in). also for big canonical artists ag has quarantined - stones bowie floyd boss - i will consider only tracks/singles NOT on those albums listed above and tbh for springsteen you're gonna have to remind me what tracks could possibly qualify. i'll be fairly catholic there and esp friendly to hard rock moves/gestures by not normally rocking artists. so if ag vetoes it cherrypick the most shredding cut and it probably makes my poll. i guarantee you somebody maybe even you will suggest something i'm unfamiliar w/ so if this is the case (maybe it's a record some huns recorded or by some other ppl that don't even speak english) and i go 'wuh?' at a suggestion it would awesome if you have a spotify or youtube link or someone somewhere describing it in terms that suggest it qualifies. also when voting comes there will be some voting limits of sorts put in place, not as restrictive as album poll but you will not be able to submit yr top 100 aerosmith tracks nor for that matter have a ballot that has peter criss tracks at 1-10 and then fills out the rest of the ballot w/ whatever. so nominate accordingly i guess. nominations close on october 17th 2012, midnight, eastern standard time.

ALSO, URGENT + KEY:

LIST YR NOMINATION IN THIS FORMAT PLZ

Artist - "Rock Song Title"

again that's in bold w/ the beginning of each word capitalized. thank you and may god have mercy on yr soul.

― balls,

why isn't this on ILM?

― Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:07 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so people who make a point of avoiding ILM get the chance to contribute

why isn't this on the Idiot Thread Repository forum, where it can be properly ignored?

I was on board with excluding albums. AG didn't know where the line could be drawn. The top 50 from the last two 70s polls and the Rolling Stone top 50 could have worked, but I didn't feel strongly enough to push it. I'm pretty confident the results of this poll will be pretty unique. I'm focusing on the heavy rock aspect on my ballot, but German space rock, funk and Fela, why the hell not!

indeed why the hell not!

OK now I get it!

got to admit I'm a bit confused by a poll that covers mainstream rock as long as it is "hard and heavy", rock which isn't heavy as long as it's weird and not mainstream, and funk but only if it's not disco-related, and nothing in between - even if it's by an artist whose other albums meet these fairly arbitrary requirements

also suspecting that if this is the stuff that AG feels doesn't get enough Best 70s Ever love, not just in general but even in the previous ILM Alternative 70s poll, then one of these disparate strands may get short shrift here too and need yet another confusingly delineated poll

― susuwatari teenage riot (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:03 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is otm. i have no problem with people having idiosyncratic personal canons but, like, chuck eddy just makes his own lists, he doesn't spend months and months corralling as many people as he can to play within the boundaries of 'metal' that only he understands. it's this weird mix of wanting others to participate while also wanting complete control over the boundaries that makes these AG polls kind of obnoxious and in a pretty different spirit than other fun silly ilm polls imo.

― steeny HOOSer (some dude), Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:07 PM (Yesterday)

y'know I never understood AG's idiosyncratic control freak approach until the 80s hard rock poll. I'm not a huge poll fan but I was mentally invested in that time period so I took part, and tho I can't logically justify his means I also can't argue with the results. they were weird and surprising and the rollout was a lot of fun, and some of his outlandish decisions really paid off (e.g. the massive number of albums in the rollout).

the 70s one has suffered from fits & starts & scattered focus but I'm looking forward to the rollout. yeah AG can get eye-rollingly overheated about this stuff and the beserker spamazon poll promotion is over the top, but he reminds me of another patience-straining super-enthusiastic poster who unfortunately is no longer with us, a guy whose contributions I regret dissing and dismissing while he was still around. AG's heart's in the right place and he does these polls out of 100% love for the music. I'm not gonna say his mind's in the right place but hey those of us without sin can cast the first rolling stone.

ps fuck talking heads

oh man one poll, the 80s poll, and im a control freak?? Man most of the 70s poll rules were decided by others. Inc you mr III!

and this poll was actually a bunch of people. balls,myself,sund4r,edward and hellhouse who got together to decide the parameters.

There were conflicting goals imo: polling an aesthetic (albums that rock) vs being somehow anti-canonical or anti-RS.

I see that I’ve been summoned back into what has apparently morphed into Meltdown Telethon of Hitler-Based Rockism v5.0, so I thought I’d hit a few of the poll’s historical highlights on what is now the fifth thread dedicated to this particular punishment channel.

the original idea was to run a 70s version of the recent 80s poll, but the concept hit the wall p. quickly b/c while a lot of the best hard rock in the 80s came from yet-to-be-canonized and generally unpolled underground/alt. sources, rock or "rock" or shit that rawks in the 70s had already been heavily polled and was also scattered across a blurred landscape of criss-crossing genres with unstable boundaries between known and occult artists. my .02 was to run a cracked anti-poll that 1) ditched disco, AOR, singer-songwriter shlock, prog and chart pop, 2) extended back to '67 to pick up Beefheart, VU, Silver Apples, garage rock, &c in a wide-angle birth-of-horrible-noise bit of historical framing, and 3) concentrated on a deliberately skewed stew of punk, postpunk, no wave, krautrock, funk, psych, minimalism and art rock/industrial (Residents, Cabaret Voltaire, Yoko, etc). there was even ~crazytalk~ of throwing out Sabbath, Stooges, Zep and Stones to give the anti-poll notion teeth, but this idea survived only in the symbolic Stones one-rec nom and in the labyrinthian rules intended to limit people from cramming their ballots w/ stuffed-trouser stomp. a number of the above ideas were discarded 'cause they were pragmatically unworkable or w/e, and over the course of four threads -

Nominations for a 70s 'Anti-Rolling Stone Canon ' style Albums Poll

ILX decides the Poll. 70s Rock Poll vs 70s all genre poll.

1967-1979 WTF - The Hard 'n' Heavy 'n' Loud + Krautrock, Arty, Noisy, Weird, Funky, Punky Shit - Albums Poll! Nominations ! (ends Oct 15)

1970-1979 WTF - The Hard 'n' Heavy 'n' Loud + Krautrock, Arty, Noisy, Weird, Funky, Punky Shit - Albums Poll! - VOTING THREAD! Closes Mar 8th 11.59 PM UK Time - All ILXORS/LURKERS WELCOME

- AG revamped the poll about fifteen times to the point where now itt he’s all “yeah, vote f/Styx + Judy Collins, IDGAF just vote”, but in fairness this poll has weathered numerous setbacks and is still going so more power to him, 'cause it's really all his poll at this point (I agree w/Sund4r that AG and Balls both had the final word on the poll's parameters).

AG, I’ll prob. still do a ballot btw even though as EIII mentioned I’m crushed f/time these days (must.vote.for.Red.Transistor).

yeah i wanted to do the 67-79 as you know but the others were against us as they wanted a 60s poll after it.

I was put in an awkward position and had to go with the flow and im sorry it pissed you off so much you wouldnt contribute since. But I cant do these polls on my own. the 80s poll was 100% me and i could stick to the vision but it wasn't like that with the 70s poll. Sadly i couldnt please anyone and found it easier to postpone it for a while.

I hope you do campaign in the final week, vote and participate in the rollout. I also hope balls can find the time to do so too as this poll wouldn't have existed without him.

ps Id NEVER say 'vote styx'

SO TAKE IT BACK!!!!!

I actually campaigned quite a bit back in October, but then the storm hit and I've been working nonstop since, and I haven't had the time to sift through 1000 recs. the poll has a shitload of v. cool nominations and people are repping f/great + oddball recs that are turning others on to more obscure artists, so you've hit the target. I just wanted to set the record straight on whose poll this is. no hard feelings, 'cause the poll I wanted to do was too warped to be feasible tbh.

xxp

(I feel the, uh, presence of the "vote f/Styx" flag o' surrender itt, but will concede that you are not in fact pimping Dennis DeYoung's sac).

hellhouse

sockpoll

why are you calling hellhouse a sock?

damn sockists

hellhouse

― buzza, Friday, March 1, 2013 10:50 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

buzza

white socks only in this poll

hellhouse please tell me who you previously posted as! i cant work it out.

― Algerian Goalkeeper

500 points, 2 first place votes

hellhouse is chaki/nude spock fyi

― lag∞n, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 16:14 (6 months ago) Permalink

If only

tbr i'm glad you have this fun poll xp

dudes I've known hellhouse for almost 30 years, he is 100% irl person

tbf 30 years is only 15 years if you're talking about the same person twice.

http://subs.greeksubtitles.info/images/imdb/70294.jpg

buzza is hellhouse?

hellhouse is other people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_DMsD-sMbk

is hellhouse the same person as helltime producto? remember that guy?

I remember that guy. He was cool! Always wondered what happened to him or if he posts under another name?

hellhouse is a feeling

hellhouse is more than a feeling?

Edward III yr a fuckin good dude and I enjoy your posts and I'm just gonna say that here

Hello, is your rockist 70's poll running?

― sleepingbag, Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:27 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well you better go catch it! Ha ha ha.

Well, we all had a good laugh there didn't we? This concludes this thread, thank you for your continued interest in threads and support thereof.

©MMXIII ILX

right back at atcha aero you are a class act

...NOW VOTE DAMN YOU ->:-|

Ugh this thread had mad clusterfuck promise now it's all clusterforeplay at best

well it was revealed that like 80% of the posters therein were really AG so it woulda been a clusterwank really

damn I only asked if you wanted a backrub darraghmac relax

Sorry man yr hands were cold is all

is hellhouse GC from UA? i miss UA. funny stuff, man. i never see old copies of that.

I am the only 'me' in here

wow scott you are good

right church wrong pew tho

I've been scanning a bunch of old issues, I can send you some links unless you need to feel the paper

hellhouse is PEW? hmm I can see that

pew is also a term for a long bench in a house of worship

this is how rumors start

phew!

wagehouse is HELL

ftr PEW hasn't voted

So I assume he's not lurking around ILX anymore and has been seen off by the mods.

so it's been running for 2 months, walking in place for 3?

― my super interesting Kant story (DJP),

It could be 3 if the tabulator-in-chief isn't around. Think he's way too busy to do it (understandable and ok but i wish i knew for sure when I'd just extend voting until he can do it). So your nightmares may continue!

threads like this make me feel alive.

are there no parks where you live?

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