Star Trek: The Movies

II is probably a better movie but I'm voting IV because Spock nerve pinches the dude with the ghetto blaster.
V was the first one I saw in the theater - even age 8-9 I remember thinking it was the worst thing I'd ever seen
VI I have a soft spot for - "first star on the left, straight on til morning," Kirk flirting with the hermaphrodite alien on the prison planet
The scene in First Contact where Data gets o-face when the Borg Queen blows on his new skin is awkward
I don't remember Nemesis at all - Picard's clone? wtf

i might actually vote for VI, just because it feels like such a good, solid, dignified sendoff for the original cast. haven't watched it since i was about 13 but i vividly remember getting choked up at the end when kirk says 'this is the final voyage of the starship enterprise...'

V is definitely the worst one (tho i haven't seen nemesis or insurrection), but the first one's probably the hardest one to sit through.

The one with the whales where scotty tries to talk to the mouse or GTFO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr82dZpCr48

double dumbass on you !

Wrath of Khan.

nuclear wessels

whales or Khan by a long way

probably gonna vote whales

you'd think i'd like vi more than i do

think i've seen all the OS movies but can't remember anything about III or VI

III: they undo II and Klingon Rev Jim kills Kirk's son
VI: Feds make peace w/ Klingons

I don't understand the massive love for IV, aside from it being a comedy after a fairly grim III, but about 40% of it is lousy comedy.

odds/evens rule doesn't work.
IV isn't all that great and Motion Picture and III are underrated. I'd watch II, III, and VI any day of the week.
First Contact is the only TNG one worth any attention.

also Shatner WORKS IT in III

and I tear up everytime the signatures start rolling at the end of VI. and the score is fantastic!

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i want to change my vote to TMP

III defeats the 'odd numbers curse' all on its own... but the 2009 reboot is amazing. so that.

nuts x2

i rewatched st09 the other day and mannn it doesnt hold up on a second viewing. i couldnt wait for it to end

the thing I really hate about 3 is that you don't get classic spock or bones interactions for most of it. prob better as an actual movie than 5 but at least that has lots of shatner lols going for it. I love how multiple characters keep talking about how cool captain kirk is in that one.

tng movies are so terrible. I've mostly blocked the memories at this point but this scene still haunts me:

http://moonwolves.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/star-trek-nem03.jpg?w=479

First Contact is passable.

yeah, I remember really digging that one at the time it came out. revisited recently and it didn't seem too hot anymore but it still easily outclasses the rest of em.

yeah... First Contact doesn't hold up super well, but it is by far the best of the TNG movies and still kinda entertaining. and at least it has the "The line.. MUST.. BE DRAWN... HEAH!" bit, which is classic

'Worst' would actually be a pretty interesting poll - in my mind it'd have to be between the ill-thought-out V, the maliciously stupid Generations, and the ''feature length TV episode with questionable ethical conclusions'' Insurrection. Never saw Nemesis though so I dunno.

Voting Khan because come ON. Love for IV is certainly justified. Haven't seen I or III since I was a kid, should give them another go. I remember the first one being just incredibly SLOW which I think I'd be more likely to find a virtue at my age. VI holds up decently, I watched most of that a few years ago and while there is some total crap it manages real excitement in a few places, and ''...Fire!'' is one of Shatner's most perfectly-delivered hams.

at least it has the "The line.. MUST.. BE DRAWN... HEAH!" bit, which is classic

^^^yeah, this part rules. "this FAAAAAHR! NO FAAARTHER!"

I sorta like generations with some major reservations. main one being that it's total garbage but it's still sorta fun and has shatner riding horses for some reason and hanging out in cool cabin and "time is predator that stalks us / no! it is a companion that travels with us!" or w/e

first one is weird but I dig it. really aiming for 2001 but falling way, way short. I've fallen asleep watching it so many times throughout my life.

I feel like insurrection/nemesis are easily the worst of the lot. not even enjoyable as camp, just completely dour and devoid of joy. I remember disliking nemesis the most of the two but they kinda blur together in my mind.

Insurrection is just so ugly to look at, serious TV soap direction going through the motions. Plot feels the same way. At this point I'd be more interested in watching Final Frontier again.

first one is weird but I dig it. really aiming for 2001 but falling way, way short. I've fallen asleep watching it so many times throughout my life.

― (⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:39 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah thats about how i feel. its such a ballsy way to fail, they'll never make another trek like that again

yup. also helps that just from an aesthetic standpoint, I'll happily watch just about any 70s sci-fi flick.

Insurrection is a boring two-part episode that would be one of the worst of the series. Nemesis is a half-hearted "inspiration" of Wrath of Khan with Picard's crazy clone plot, Troi getting mind-raped, and dune buggies. Oh yeah, and it's the send-off movie for TNG. Nemesis is the worst hands-down

I've fallen asleep watching it so many times throughout my life.

then again V was pretty bad so i dunno

Troi getting mind-raped

ughhhhh I'd forgotten about this as well. jesus.

first contact is weirder and artier than is being given credit.
It's practically a cronenburg movie.

generations definitely has its moments but i've always wished they'd come up with a better way for kirk to die, seems like such a missed opportunity to have him just fall off a rock or whatever.

Star Trek vi would have been a good movie to kill off Kirk in especially since they hinted at it in the tng episodes that nimoy appears in to promote the movie.

tbh it'd be hard to top spock's death scene in wrath of khan.

first contact is weirder and artier than is being given credit.
It's practically a cronenburg movie.

can't lie, this really makes me want to re-screen. but it's also a good thing that lynch turned down return of the jedi, y'know? the horror stuff in first contact just didn't work for me last time I watched. didn't go far enough to be more than just strangely out of place for a trek movie iirc.

i think i'm voting vi even tho i said upthread i didn't like it. it panders to me with the chernobyl/1989 stuff and ultimately it's not as cool as i want it to be given that premise but it's still pretty cool. "captain hikaru sulu." christopher plummer asking mccoy if his hands shake. kirk's secret racism. low bar, obviously, but has there been a spaceship movie since that was About even half as much shit?

iii is underrated but also a huge missed opportunity. SPOCK POSSESSES BONES. this should be all of me in space and with more emotions. instead the best thing we get out of it (the best thing we get out of the entire movie) is the totally sublime line "that vulcan son of a bitch! it's his revenge for all those arguments he lost!" but also the "you klingon bastard, you've killed my son" scene is king of all the shatner line-blurring between lol and heavy: the way he staggers back into his chair, repeats the line three times, hangs his head, takes several seconds, pulls himself together, raises his head, sets his gaze to Steely, and says "you klingon bastard."

ii clearly the best but whatever.

man it would actually be amazing if cronenberg got to do the next one and things got weird on the holodeck

were fans not down with Spock getting offed, is that why they just.. brought him straight back again in the next film?

no -- nimoy originally only agreed to do WoK because they were going to kill off spock, since he was sick of doing the character, then changed his mind and asked them to find some way to bring him back, which they were obv very happy to do.

There were a few factors at work there. The studio wanted to make TWOK the last movie as they didn't think ST movies were a big enough box office drawn. Nimoy wanted to work on other projects (particularly directing). The writers thought that if TWOK was going to be the last movie then it'd be a good send off to the character and the franchise. Nobody involved thought that the movie was going to be as successful as it was.

agh, ninja'd

TMP is underrated. It's like Tarkovsky.

much as i love the early films, hats off to the New York Magazine critic who according to Wiki described TMP as
"like watching someone else watch television"

I think V was the first Trek movie I saw in the theater. It was not an auspicious start.

but this is still one of shatner's greatest moments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYW_lPlekiQ

spock's brother's crazy beard in V suggests zack galifianakis to be nutrek sybok.

VI seems to be getting some short-shrift compared to IV here. TMP's redeeming value is as midnight movie/trip out visual fest and even then I still rate it over Tarkosvky (who I can't fucking stand). TNG movies are all worthless, altho First Contact is the least egregiously stupid, but even then you have to listen to that guy from Babe play classic rawk as he blasts off into outer space for the first time. III is okay, but it has an oddly perfunctory "and now let's tie up all those loose ends!" feel to it.

II > IV > III > VI > First Contact > I > Into Darkness > V > Generations > Star Trek

VI was really good, tied with IV to me. II being the best obv

Wow poly, you really hate Trek '09 0_0

The TNG movies are essential for no other reason than they led to those RedLetterMedia videos on Youtube where he spends about 45 minutes ripping each one of them to shreds.

Shakey pretty much OTM there. III also suffers greatly from budget constraints in set design and Christopher Lloyd was not a good Klingon. (John Larroquette either.)

Wow poly, you really hate Trek '09 0_0

It did nothing for me.

The reboot movies are Star Trek reimagined for the same kind of guys who would have beaten us up at school for liking Star Trek.
(I thought the first reboot movie was OK, second was total blah, third I hear that Kirk and Spock are going to fist bump.)

VI is good enough that you can see the outlines for a far better movie from it, so in that sense it's probably the most disappointing of all the movies. Every other movie pretty much hits the limit of their awesome or horribleness.

curious where you think VI fails, exactly?

a lot of things in VI weren't sold very well that could have used maybe a few more takes? some re-writing?:
-"doctor will you assist me with some torpedo surgery? Intriguing!" this is a really good idea making bones a torpedo surgeon (which nutrek also used, but shamefully they did it a little better by demonstrating it's a tricky business that requires a lot of manual dexterity) but it's reduced to mccoy doing a glib reversal of spock's catchphrase and "we've got a heartbeat!" how does a torpedo have a heartbeat? because it beeps!
-shatner really doesn't sell his speech well at the end, and the klingon princess doesn't really return any energy either
-the golf clap at the end

lots of moments like that.

having seen only two TNG episodes, I skipped the 3 movies.

did you catch the TNG tie-in episodes? the sarek deathbed scene has two actors at least committing to the moment. in VI the only scene where anything comparably unhinged happens is when a visibly angry spock mindrapes catrall (his anger would have been more plausible if they'd sold the backstory better -- i'm guessing they wrote this thinking it would be saavik, so the betrayal would be more effective)

Star Trek VI: "Originally conceived as a prequel to the original Star Trek television series. The story was to follow young Kirk and Spock when they met in Starfleet Academy, with Ethan Hawke rumored for the role of Kirk and John Cusack rumored for the role of Spock."

I'd give all my money to see that Trek reboot.

the problem w/ recasting those roles: went goyishe

suddenly Morbs wants Seth Rogen in more movies

would watch Rogen as Mudd tbh

actually his Trekkie geek in the awful Fanboys is the best thing i've seen him do.

would watch Adam Driver as Spock, esp in heat

Irrespective of nothing, Patrick Stewart on New York pizza. (Also, apparently a Habs fan.)

https://twitter.com/SirPatStew/status/339786117530415104

that pizza joint was my local for 11 years, til the nabe became one where you had to be a rich fucking starship captain to live there.

my daughter has a huge TOS obsession so I've watched the first six in the past couple of months, some of them multiple times.

saw TMP in the theaters, thought it was terrible. really enjoyed it this time around, not sure how much was due to maturity and how much was due to wise's 2001 recut improving things.

think khan's overrated. sure, the conclusion's the most memorable sequence in the entire series, but as a whole it just doesn't work for me.

search for spock alternates between really good and kinda blah. feels cheap for some reason, which is shocking considering how much money khan made.

got a soft spot for the whale one. it's goofy but it works, supporting cast is put to good use.

V is obv the nadir of star trek films and possibly the film medium itself.

VI is a step up, feels kind of meandering at times. wacky cast: kim cattrell, christian slater, david warner, iman, christopher plummer. supposedly cattrell got in trouble during filming for doing a nude photo shoot on the enterprise bridge?

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Proud to be one of the 6 who voted for TMP

there's supposed to be a 'good' cut of TMP but i can't figure out if it's 30 minutes longer or 30 minutes shorter.

glad that, despite everything, we can all agree on how awful V is.

tmp represent

other than first contact I never bothered with a TNG film despite mostly loving the entire series. It didn't seem like enough time had passed. Maybe enough time has passed now, but it looks like they never will, which is too bad, because Picard at least deserves another outing (don't really care about any of the rest of that cast frankly)

This thread is convincing me to buy that dollar VHS copy of V that I saw last week and really give it a fair shake. Or alternately, get drunk and settle in for some laughs.

As ridiculous and terrible as V is, at least there's a little bit of the dorky soul from the Original Series in it.

Man, the box office competition for 1989 was brutal: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/seasonal/?view=releasedate&yr=1989&season=Summer

I also had no idea that Sean Connery was the first choice to play Sybok (turned it down for Indiana Jones)

Damn, i missed this poll, but definitely would've voted II. It's not just a great Star Trek movie it's a great movie that can stand on it's own.

The five Starfleet officers who voted for Lens Flare 2009 can consider themselves court-martialed.

xp akm - Given all the poor shots that TNG took, it's a crime that DS9 never got a movie. Sisko 4 EVA

who in god's name voted for generations

what does god need with generations?

Ha the single Klingon laughing after McCoy's wisecrack about arthritis

Much needed Star Trek vi viewing atm

Grandpa Worf: Attorney at Law would have been a good spinoff. good miniseries anyway.

wait wth is an unauthorized phaser why do we never encounter the concept again and why does all senior staff run to the galley when one is fired

lol i watched vi like a week ago, whimsically voted for it, and still have no memory of what you're talking about

today i watched ii by myself and ten seconds after it ended my friend messaged me out of nowhere "of all the souls i have encountered on my travels, his was the most..." (new message) "HUMAN"

I confess to challops-voting reboot.

When Valeris demonstrates that if you fire an "unauthorized phaser" it sets off a bunch of alarms by shooting at a pot in the kitchen xpost

Horribly formed sentence but you know

We're to report back to spacedock immediately...

to be decommissioned

yeah that always bugged me a little. the ship was only in service for like 4 years? i guess they did punch a big gaping hole in it.

supposedly the ship went on another 5-year mission following the events of TMP

Yeah I think a number of years were to have passed between TMP and Khan

Just hilarious the way these bits of bad news come down the wire

i think a similar gap of time passes between IV and V, right? the TOS chronology was always a little confusing.

maybe they thought he was going to blow it up like half the other enterprises seem to do.

Grandpa Worf: Attorney at Law would have been a good spinoff. good miniseries anyway.

Man, even the idea of Law And Order: Starfleet sounds 100% fantastic

there would be lots of riker tho

Just hilarious the way these bits of bad news come down the wire

lol

my daughter has a huge TOS obsession

I pray this happens for my son.

I'd be worried if I had a daughter that took too many lessons from TOS, tbh

True, the anachronisms would have to be discussed with any child.

I enjoyed reading on Wiki that in ST VI, Nichelle Nichols refused to say re the Klingons "Guess who's coming to dinner?"

forget if it was linked here or not but i read a thing the other day about nichols being at an naacp thing and dr m l fucking k seeking her out to tell her how important uhura was, and she told him she'd been thinking about quitting actually and he was like no no you musn't do that

pretty sure I've read that anecdote in one of the Trek bios. historical impact of Uhuru's presence on the bridge has been pretty big, so many people cite it as inspirational and/or groundbreaking

that anecdote was def. in the shatner book

also in st vi, apparently the guy who played the admiral cartwright character found it so hard to stomach his lines about the klingons becoming the alien trash of the galaxy (or whatever it was) that it had to be done in tiny increments

'Star Trek' actress Nichelle Nichols: Martin Luther King Jr. impacted decision to stay on Enterprise

I also had no idea that Sean Connery was the first choice to play Sybok (turned it down for Indiana Jones)

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He chose...wisely.

more star trek vi perils:

Actor Walter Koenig approached Mancuso with a new script outline codenamed "In Flanders Fields"; in it, the Romulans join the Federation and go to war with the Klingons. The Enterprise crew, except Spock, are forced to retire for not meeting fitness tests. When Spock and his new crew are captured by a monstrous worm-like race of aliens (which Koenig described as "things that the monsters in Aliens evolved from"), the old crew must rescue them. In the end, all of the characters except McCoy and Spock die.[24]

hahahaha, that is beautifully awful sub-fanfic from Koenig.

The amazing thing is if that had gotten made, I'd be reading a description of this un-filmed script with the Enterprise on a quest to the heart of the universe to confront God, and just cursing fate that this fascinating, big-idea sci-fi epic got scrapped.

I just want to say I love the fact that when Spock neck pinches the punk, his falling head shuts off the tape player

is it basically just shatner's fault that V turned out so bad? the basic idea for the movie's not bad at all, i could see it being done well.

It's weird how IV went camp and V went so self-serious. I wish they had continued the camp and self-mockery.

Nimoy approached Beverly Hills Cop writer Daniel Petrie, Jr. to write the screenplay when a concept that executive producer Jeffrey Katzenberg described as "either the best or worst idea in the world" arose—Star Trek fan Eddie Murphy wanted a starring role. Nimoy and Murphy acknowledged his part would attract non-Star Trek fans to the franchise following the rising popularity of Murphy, but it also meant the film might be ridiculed. Steve Meerson and Peter Krikes were hired to write a script with Murphy as a college professor who believes in aliens and likes to play whale songs.[16] Murphy disliked the part, explaining he wanted to play an alien or a Starfleet officer,[17] and chose to make The Golden Child—a decision Murphy later said was a mistake.

These are pretty good takes on why the TNG films have problems:

http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-trek/

Pretty much nailing it on the head that they took an occasionally cerebral show and turned it into "action schlock"

I kind of feel like every franchise that gets as far as a IV should have to make that one an 80s style comedy.

I dunno how any of you bear to listen to that redlettermedia guy

'The Golden Child' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eddie Murphy as a Starfleet officer >>>>>>>>>>>>> Eddie Murphy as an alien >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the movie 'Dave'

is it basically just shatner's fault that V turned out so bad? the basic idea for the movie's not bad at all, i could see it being done well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_V:_The_Final_Frontier#Production has the nitty-gritty. The upshot is that Shatner wanted to do a story about televangelism. The production was messed up from the writer's strike and then rushed. Paramount wanted it to be funny. And all the major effects houses were busy.

I think Galaxy Quest and TWoK are pretty much equal in quality as the greatest films.

"Actor Walter Koenig approached Mancuso with a new script outline codenamed "In Flanders Fields"; in it, the Romulans join the Federation and go to war with the Klingons. The Enterprise crew, except Spock, are forced to retire for not meeting fitness tests. When Spock and his new crew are captured by a monstrous worm-like race of aliens (which Koenig described as "things that the monsters in Aliens evolved from"), the old crew must rescue them. In the end, all of the characters except McCoy and Spock die.[24]
"

this is actually, seriously, the first time I've actually spontaneously burst into laughter in quite a long time.

i love the first four, def rep for first - persis khambatta as Ilis for chrissake - Khan is glorious - III spock back nd then whales - how can you not love dat?

did vote for II but love those first 4, after those def goes downhill but those gave me much joy

and yes Shatner very responsible for downfall on V, insisted if Nimoy got chance to direct he should as well and messed up

very proud of my picture with Nichelle Nichols circa '85 or so - she was a great speaker, funny, charming in talking abt ST, her work with nasa and she was very kind to a geeky teen fan

TMP is indeed a snooze, but I'm far more grossed out by the 6 votes for the reboot than the 5 it got.

I remember Shatner talking about this proposed time-travel JFK asssination concept for ST II.... a bullet truly dodged.

http://startrekdom.blogspot.com/2007/06/captain-kirk-mr-spock-and-jfk-rejected.html

"The climactic moments of the film," according to William Shatner, "would find Spock standing on a grassy knoll in Dallas, firing that infamous `phantom shot'... thereby guaranteeing a brighter future for all of mankind."

gotta keep these cast members faaar away from script ideas

Captain Kirk, Mr. Spock, and JFK: The Rejected Roddenberry Pitch

can we start a campaign to get jj abrams to make the spock vs jfk script into the next installment of nu-trek?

ah, didn't click on the link
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can we start a campaign to get jj abrams to make the spock vs jfk script into the next installment of nu-trek?

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Considering how the last two movies have been so inundated with 9/11-inspired disaster spectacle and terrorist plots, they should update it to Spock crashing the Enterprise into the WTC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6naJ08Tskk

It was cringey even when red dwarf did it

I remember an old nu-'outer limits' with a similar JFK plot, but the time traveler switches places with the president who lectures at a university of the future.

Sorry, was nu-'Twilight Zone' episode from 1985, 'Profile in Silver'.

lol ok somebody explain that ridiculous red dwarf plot to me

Didn't see this! Would have voted for The Wrath Of Khan, naturally!

TNG is my favourite Star Trek TV series, but I never thought much to the movies... that scene in Generations where Data is all like "I just love scanning for lifeforms" is just really daft.

Watching The Motion Picture for the first time in 20 years. Holy shit @ these effects and fashion.

<3 Bones's beard

i have deep abiding affection for TMP. visual effects are still p great imo.

xp don't forget the huge medallion, open shirt, and flares

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060201024245/memoryalpha/en/images/4/4e/McCoy_beard.jpg

he's a healer

My bf tells me that Search For Spock was released 29 years ago today, which only makes me feel old due to it being one of the very first movies that I remember playing on cable all the time when I was little.

Watched about 75-90 mins of VI on blu-ray last night before nodding off (it was late; my husband has this thing about starting movies at like 12:30 AM), and from what I saw, it seemed to be one of the better plotted of the films that I've seen, meaning I guess that one doesn't have to be a Trekkie (which my husband is, and I am not) to get into the story--which, as Ebert rather astutely points out, borrows far more from Agatha Christie than it does from any of its blockbuster contemporaries. What I couldn't get over, though, was how ugly the film looked, and not in the way that a JJ Abrams movie (to pick a convenient example) is ugly. Like, the film is just really cheap looking, as it were shot for television; whatever the individual qualities of the other ST movies I've seen, I cannot remember any of them not looking (for lack of a better word) filmic. Is this a case of high def casting an unflattering light on an older film, or do people remember this looking crappy at the time? The film just doesn't seem to be up to what I would assume were the standards of a big studio picture circa 1991.

It looks like a scifi film from 1991 to me.

i think the budgets went (relatively) down the longer the original-cast films continued.

I think a lot of the sets were redresses of TNG. Helicopter shot of ice prison planet seemed filmic enough, though.
Also, isn't the plasma ring explosion in every movie thereafter (even in Star Wars) where a planet explodes named after the one in this movie?

of note: Nicholas Meyer (who wrote II/IV/VI) has been brought in for the new Trek series.

sounds good. I thought he was retired, but no, he's just doing stuff I haven't seen.

I recently rewatched all of the TNG movies, and I gotta say First Contact and Insurrection still looked really good. IMO Insurrection's plot failings are largely (though not fully) saved by Jonathan Frakes' visual imagination. The opening scene in particular, with the invisible Data causing chaos, is a lark! The first TNG movie still looks like an extended episode of the series though, and the last one is just a generic sci-fi flick of its era, visually.

Too bad Frakes didn't manage to parlay the success of First Contact into a proper movie director career, he would've had the potential for it. I guess he'll always been known as the Star Trek guy, though it's nice that he's become a respected TV director at least.

i watched v for the first time last night. one of those movies i can't believe anyone filmed or allowed to be released, so it was total catnip for me, i loved every frame

do you know row row row row row row row row row your boat

not a Laurence Luckinbill fan eh?

Guys, should I mention here that Khan is fine but overrated or take it to the controversial opinions thread?

i’m with you to a degree but also i always just love watching wrath of khan

overrated GTFO
i mean on the one hand this is ilx so ~of course~ its overrated rmde but

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You task me.

https://i.imgur.com/5gyEuIy_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

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I mean...I think I've seen both of them enough times now to say I enjoy the first one more. Khan is a real good feature-length ST episode, though.

Look, I think it's well-established by now that my taste is highly-questionable if not altogether nonexistent. Deal with it. I'm learning to.

the key is not say some things are overrated, thus elevating the things you like by knocking down other things. better to highly rate the things you like.

Underrated opinion imo.

on that tip i really love the warp sequence in TMP. it's something they tend to gloss over while zipping around at near-lightspeed-levels but in the first movie it's a real visceral "brace yourselves!" moment.

The hubby wanted to watch a Star Trek last night and we went with Insurrection because it was one of the ones I was sure I hadn't seen. I didn't know until afterwards that fans generally rated it so low, and I guess I both can and cannot see why. It's an entirely mediocre but not unwatchable film, indifferently directed by Frakes--a should-be suspenseful scene in a cave doesn't even bother trying to work up any tension--which is surprising, given that I recall his work on First Contact being well regarded. The premise is decent, though, and the whole thing basically felt like a so-so episode of TNG. The only thing I found embarrassing was the schmaltzy business between Data and the kid.

Also, I made the mistake of looking up Siskel and Ebert's heartbreaking review this morning, in which Gene, clearly in bad shape and at that point only a few months away from death, talks about how he'd like to go live on the film's regenerative planet. The Yoda zing is pretty funny, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kQIAXMkCJ8

"the next 25 years" paints michael piller as the guy who made TNG work. he got rid of the anarchy among the writing staff and basically invented the modern writers' room.

so great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2Q0KzEUw2w

the disdain, lol

I rewatched ST VI and had forgotten Spock's forcible mind meld w/ the Kim Cattrall character. Rather out of character in a rapey way, and apparently Nicholas Meyer came to think so too.

https://trekmovie.com/2016/12/06/exclusive-trekmovie-talks-to-nicholas-meyer-about-star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country/

ugh i have never liked that scene. so weird & creepy