the different scottish accents

the ones i can identify are glasgow, east of scotland posh and teuchter but only if they are particularly pronounced because given a random scottish person mostly i couldn't tell where they are from (or is that just a generic scottish lowlands accent?)

maybe some scottish people could post some youtubes or whatever

and this is where pfunkboy tells us how paisley and ayr and renfrew are all completely different.....

do u think there's a wider diversity of accents in smaller geographic region in uk compared to us?

Has going 'through' from Glasgow to Edinburgh ever been discussed on here? I'd like to bring that up, just now.

i know 2 ppl from scotland. one is a medical student friend i met in thailand, the other is a professor of mine this year. their accents seem similar to me. hope this helps

do they sound like sean connery?

i'm not sure, the only scottish person i can compare them to is andy murray and i think murray's accent is a little milder than theirs

do u think there's a wider diversity of accents in smaller geographic region in uk compared to us?

― Mordy , Saturday, October 5, 2013 3:02 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

p certain this is the case yeah - never read up on it and I have no social anthropology chops to speak of but I assume it stems from people/communities being more localised historically, not having to travel as far as one would in the US, and developing their own accents/other peculiarities within that

plus as the US moved westward there's not so much time for long-established isolated communities - continuous waves of multi-accented immigration is less likely to create settled regionalities? what there are seem to have coalesced around the bigger cities but feel looser than in the UK

andy murray is a good example of a generic scottish accent, although his age and class and amount of time spent abroad would attenuate any pronounced regional aspects

i would like it if someone says he has a pure dunblane accent though

stripped to its purest form i think andy murray's accent could be classified as upper-middle class central scotland.

aberdonian accent is quite distinct, both in posh and not-posh forms. dundee not-posh accent is notable for being particularly incomprehensible. paisley and ayr and renfrew are all completely different.

I'd say there are 4 distinct Fife accents (Dunfermline and west, Coastal Route, East of Leven and Mid- Fife). If you follow the East coast round and up, through Dundee and Aberdeen, continuing all the way round the flat to Inverness then the accent audibly changes about every 10 miles (for example, somebody from Elgin sounds completely different to someone from Huntly.

If you're into small geographical areas having distinct accents, Stranraer has a gorgeous one. It's the very soft, lilting quality you find in Uist or somewhere, completely different from anything I've heard outside the Highlands. First time I went there I couldn't understand why I kept meeting folk from the Hebrides.

The term teuchter is defined so variously that it's not possible to even guess what "teuchter accent" might be.

But the Inverness accent is particularly horrible. Nicest accent in Scotland is Westernn Isles (though residents of WI will doubtless split hairs over e.g. N Uist v S Uist).

there is a fractal perspective with accents so that whatever the level of familiarity there are always three or four, scottish/theatrical upper class english/theatrical estuarine for those outside the british isles, eventually north elgin/east elgin/etc

Edinburgh is my default answer to the 'favourite accent' question, thanks largely to memories of my sixth form history teacher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLxLmFhROqY

Ok re fractal perspective but what do you mean by teuchter, nilmar?

I can barely understand a word of that video.

dont go to Aberdeen then. No bugger can understand what they say up there.

I in fact know someone from Aberdeen and I can understand her just fine!

Having mastered basic comprehension of the standard "Scots" (Edinburgh-ian?) plus a good bit of Borderer (Hawick) and like I said, Aberdeen, I thought I would have scored slightly better but apparently they've all been making it easy for me.

That broad Glaswegian accent where people seem to say 'ehhhhhhh' between a lot of the words, where in Glasgow does that come from?

Old boss was from the coast between Aberdeen and Inverness, but she had a butter-soft accent (she was a bit posher than she let on, maybe).

Why do edinburgh AND ayrshire people say 'like' at the end of every sentence? I noticed that (and was guilty of it) in my 8 years there. (People always remarked on my different accent too)

Funny, I never said like or ken at the end of a sentence, neither did anybody else in our little nook of N Ayrshire.

My folks are all from Paisley and even though the town gets knocked the older generation had a coupel of pretty bizarre and interesting vocal tics, my Grandpa used to use 'sais I' at the end of a sentence so you would hear things like 'Aye I sais, sais I'

I've never noticed it in Ayrshire either. I've heard Edinburgh types say the -eez at the end of houses, cases, etc is really pronounced in a Glasgow accent

teuchter = north of the central belt

there is a lot of diversity within that but it's not clearly discernable to someone from southern england

oh everyone said ken. they still do, In between living near hamilton as a kid and pre-ayrshire we moved back to east kilbride for a year (i had spent the 1st 5 years of my life in EK) everyone said 'Gallus' which I had never heard outside of francie & josie. It seemed ld fashioned then and i dont think anyone says it now.

Gallus and Gemme were used a lot in the playground

yeah you north ayrshires were just fae paisley ;)

Lot of "ehh" in Dundee. If you listen out for it a lot of schemie Dundonians finish sentences with "is it", meaning "isn't it?", though not really asking a question.

I don't think the Perth accent is very strong, I certainly don't think mines is, but I'm aware my accent changes a bit depending on circumstances.

Perth folk are WEIRD though

Is using How instead of Why a countrywide thing?

Maresnest: kind of. Would say it's more west coast than east coast but i'm not really basing that on much.

AG: dinghies.

XP - Kerr, the difference between the way my relatives spoke and what I was hearing at school was pretty significant y'know, odd when you think that Paisley and Dalry are less than 20 miles apart

North of central belt def of teuchter is one I have heard, but never from a Scot. The usual defs are "from anywhere you'd have to pay a boundary charge for in a Glasgow taxi" or "from the rural north (often just north west) of Scotland"

I'd say a teuchter was from the wrong end of the A9 (Inverness, Dingwall and beyond), though I've been called one too so that pretty seriously widens the definition.

Is using How instead of Why a countrywide thing?

What about saying 'bucket' instead of 'bin'?

ending sentences with 'but' is one I'm fond of

I have a friend who is from California but her husband is Yorkshire, so her accent has kind of mangled yet sounds vaguely "Scottish". I had a hard time working out where she was from when I first met her (having lived both in Cali and Oop North)

Never used bucket for bin, ginger instead of pop however.

I think 'pop' is only used up north anyway (unless you say 'ginger music'?)

favorite words i learned in scotland

scripto
clarty
the close
the snib

i miss glasgow :(

oh and "the bench" to mean the kitchen counter

my mums uncle who has lived down south for 60 years or so always said pop but no scots person living here does. Its always been ginger.

best scots word will always be Cludgie

snib is great, I didn't know it was a Glasgow word though?

lots of words are countrywide and some are like used only in one village. Larkhall people say Ken, richt and nicht (or did 30 years ago dunno bout now) you wont get that anywhere else in lanarkshire.

occasionally i hear someone say pure dead brilliant unironically and i chuckle.

i didn't know snib was anything but universal english, i suppose i don't use it enough to confuse people.

haven't heard either ginger or pop very much, i assume by those you mean what we used the very general term JUICE for?

fizzy juice

yeah juice is surely rp

i dunno what I'd do if I ever heard an auld wifie say Help Ma Boab or Jings Crivvens

haha oh man that reminds me of the reaction to my Broons/Oor Wullie thread some years back.

JINGS CRIVVENS! It's A Favourite BROONS Poll!

someone has some explaining to do, or fess up to putting drugs in my coffee. i don't think i can handle googling "The Broons" right now.

― Mr. Que, Tuesday, June 19, 2007 3:24 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I can imagine Alex Salmond breaking out help ma boabs on the reg

wha wiz yon penter who only spoke in scots?

Crivvens! I think they say that in the Tiffany Aching books, the Wee Free Men. I didn't know it was real.

jings crivvens is one of Oor Wullie's catchphrases

yeah no idea about snib, just that i learned it there and haven't heard it elsewhere. my friends were shocked i didn't know it.

Baffies might be my fave Scots word.

Our snib's banjaxed, as it happens.

I'm pretty sure my girlfriend had never heard the word "skelf" until i used it one day. Mentioned this to my sister who'd also used it to other people's puzzlement. I thought it was a pretty common Scots word.

It is.... isn't it?

this is where pfunkboy tells us how paisley and ayr and renfrew are all completely different..

I imagine they used to be, my father was Paisley through and through, the accent wasn't notably different from a Glasgow accent (Paisley is 7 miles away from Glasgow btw) but words and pronunciations were. I don't know for sure, but I think Paisley had elements of Ayrshire and more rural influences, e.g., he'd say "bits" for "boots" and "seeven" for "seven" (and, more comically, "peencil" for pencil). My mother's from Glasgow and told me they way to tell someone was from Paisley and not Glasgow was that in Glasgow for "floor", they say "flerr" and in Paisley they say "flair" (btw I used these differences in one of my side-splitting Bobby Gillespie skits on ILM wherein Boaby meets Momus (who's from Paisley allegedly)).

Tom OTM, my folks - all raised in Paisley - have a spectrum of words and vocal tics that I've not ever heard growing up in Ayrshire.

Another Paisley signifier, I think, is putting a small 'h' in front of the word it

The Edinburgh accent of the UMC is posh English apart from a few words: 'beuks' (books), 'muhn' (moon) and 'eye-ron' (iron). The speaker can sound like Tony Blair if employing gratuitous hand gestures when speaking.

Not an accent but a word - my favourite is "messages" for groceries. Is that central Scotland only or central west?

"I'm going to tesco to get the messages" or, better still if you were only getting one thing, "I'm going a message". My friend who moved to Scotland at around age 5 spent years wondering why women were always collecting messages and what those messages said and what the messages were for.

Have heard 'messages' from an Aberdonian and from Highlander ex-boss, who works in fashion, so OF COURSE shops contain messages.

My gran, from Crieff but lived in Perth, used "messages" all the time.

yeah we use it here too

There's a Fraserburgh accent and a Peterhead accent, haven't seen them mentioned yet but they are extremely distinctive to me

My ex-colleague Highlander wis fae Buckie.

nice wan.

funnily enough, i was going to start a thread last week on the wonderful richness and diversity of UK accents. I think it's one of the most wonderful thinks about this country.

there are honestly no UK accents i dislike, even the much derided Brummie or Aberdonian accents are fantastic to me. I love Geordie, I love West Country. All of it.

even cockney wankers?

Brummie is a lovely accent. some forms of Estuary rub me wrong

Not an accent but a word - my favourite is "messages" for groceries. Is that central Scotland only or central west?

this is used in rural ireland too. my granny would have said it, or my mum sometimes.

I always thought eejit was indigenous Glaswegian, very disappointed to find that youse claim it. Tube definitely is though.

My folks are all from Paisley and even though the town gets knocked the older generation had a coupel of pretty bizarre and interesting vocal tics, my Grandpa used to use 'sais I' at the end of a sentence so you would hear things like 'Aye I sais, sais I'

There's a similar thing I've never heard outside of Ayrshire, which is to use "so I did" or "neither I did" at the end of sentences talking about something you've done/not done. Eg "I told him he could get to fuck, so I did", "I didn't touch him, neither I did".

There's also a more general thing of anthropomorphising which I didn't realise was Scottish until it baffled English people. "That car wants a wash", "the dishes want doing" etc.

that definitely happens in the north of England too

Oh yeah, my all-time favourite Ayrshire phrase is "naw am urnae, ne'er am ur" - "no I am are not, neither I am". Used to answer questions like "Are you going to the shops tomorrow?"

Haha yes - "No you're not!" "Aye ah'm ur!" Never did find out what the word 'ur' was for in that construction.

"so i did" is used in ireland a bit, but i've never heard "neither i did".

that "says i" is used in ireland too but it's more like, before a statement of conviction in the story of a conversation. like "the doctor told me it'd be six months before i could get an appointment", "says i, what use is that?"

more common is probably "says you" - like if a friend tells you a story and you imagine their reaction. "says you, what's the point of that?"

Been pondering the influence of Irish immigration on the way people speak in Glasgow as opposed to Ayrshire and Lanarkshire, also Paisley (as a mill town in need of cheap labour) had a lot of Irish immigration. And Highlanders too, of course. The Irish mostly from Donegal, which might be significant. Also reading Myles na Gopaleen and noting a lot of similarities (and differences). Off the top of my head, "da", "your man", and bringing back memories of my dad saying "NOT AT ALL" a lot. And "it's yourself", which is actually very Western Isles/ Highland but also reminds me of "you'll have had your tea?".

There's a similar thing I've never heard outside of Ayrshire, which is to use "so I did"

This is totally Norn Iron, so it is. You know, Ayrshire/ NI, same difference.

The long -eh sound in words like 'rare' was always said to be a specific catholic accent - hence presumably an Irish import - but I'm not convinced it isn't simply a north lanarkshire thing instead.

I do wonder if I still use ayrshire things here or if its just universal ones. I had to eliminate "ken" when we moved back here even though I definitely used it in Blackwood as a kid (its like a mile fae larkie) but my mates who still live there dont say ken now. Things just change over time.
My mates here say I was the first person they ever heard saying "sengas" for a certain style of lassie when I moved to Hamilton in 91 but that wasn't an ayrshire thing. *Dont even know where I picked it up. A late 80s episode of taggart maybe

*cue tom d saying he heard it in the 1950s or something :)

Been pondering the influence of Irish immigration on the way people speak in Glasgow as opposed to Ayrshire and Lanarkshire, also Paisley (as a mill town in need of cheap labour) had a lot of Irish immigration. And Highlanders too, of course. The Irish mostly from Donegal, which might be significant. Also reading Myles na Gopaleen and noting a lot of similarities (and differences). Off the top of my head, "da", "your man", and bringing back memories of my dad saying "NOT AT ALL" a lot. And "it's yourself", which is actually very Western Isles/ Highland but also reminds me of "you'll have had your tea?".

"your man", "yourself" came from Irish into Hiberno-English so they might either be borrowings from HE or have come from Scots Gaelic into Scots English. No idea really.

yerman and yerself are definitely used here

There's also a more general thing of anthropomorphising which I didn't realise was Scottish until it baffled English people. "That car wants a wash", "the dishes want doing" etc.

awesome

also what do insular scots sound like?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Scotsdialects.png

do? does? i am having s/v agr probs sorry

the welsh have a hilarious thing of where they say "I'll do it now in a minute" and "Whose coat is that jacket?"

insular scots probably speak norscots or scotwegian

that map doesn't make much sense.

"It's yourself" is a great get out when you bump into someone you've never met before. Used a lot by my family, my mum particularly (my mum maintains that, it's yourself aside, she speaks "better" English than most English people because she learned it as a second language, at school. She now teaches gaelic (in English) to the kids at the school where she herself was taught English (in Gaelic)).

I think that map represents those speaking Scots, rather than speaking English with a Scottish accent. I'm not really up on the distinction between languages/dialects, but I think that's what it's showing. Scots sounds kind of medieval to my ears - can be thick to the point of unintelligibility.

Where does your mum teach xp? My cousins in the Western Isles just can't seem to get a Gaelic education.

K1lch0an primary school. It's not gaelic-medium, so my mum teaches the kids (abt half of whom are English) Gaelic and gets them competing in the local Mods.

I love "wean" for child, the wee-ane, the little one, it's sweet

*eureka!* I've always wondered where wean came from.

'bairn' can go spin though, I hate that

wean or bairn is great

Or bairnie! No-one ever said "bairn" in Paisley, I can assure you.

Has going 'through' from Glasgow to Edinburgh ever been discussed on here? I'd like to bring that up, just now.

― Alternative Ulsterbus, Saturday, 5 October 2013 03:19 (2 days ago) Permalink

that always felt funny to me - where's the tunnel??

Any paisley words used when you were younger not used now?(like when I said EK people said gallus when i was 9 but not anymore)

oh yeah i went through to my grannies in edinburgh a lot!

i've seen a definite huge increase in people calling each other "pal" rather than mate/dude/whatever else. i mean i know "pal" never really went anywhere but the degree to which it has increased lately is quite something. it's getting to the point it actually seems a bit fake/pretentious to use the word.

pal was always used wherever i lived

in Hull "wean" has mutated into something that sounds like "wain", it is aces, as is bairn obv

wain is definitely the way it's pronounced in scotland.

aye

ah yeah i guess it is now i think about it

its often funny when reading through old broons/oor wullies from the 30s-60s the amount of words naebody uses noo like Dub (a puddle) or Janes (Girls)

btw i recommend this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAz_UvnUeuU

The trend of naming streets in the most couthie manner possible appals me btw. Street, Avenue and Drive were just fine; now it's all Braes and Wynds.

I live on a Hill

the streets in my area are named after trees

the streets in my area of glasgow are named after shakespeare-related things! i live on hathaway lane.

Loved going here as a kid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_Brae

gonnae rock doon tae

Hathaway Lane? Have you been for a drink in The Viking?

yes i have.

there's another ILXor who stays even closer to the viking than i do.

I worked there for four years 99-03. The accents (dragging back to topic) were p thick.

The Viking, that's where ILX

Any paisley words used when you were younger not used now?

My dad used to call sparrows, "speugs" and frogs, "puddocks"... but I think he just did that because he thought they were funny words

oor wullie said puddocks for frogs in old stories

Always wondered why Shuggie Otis was called Shuggie but apparently it's something to do with sugar, i.e., he isn't Scottish and his real name isn't Hugh

what do the scottish contingent think of fraser nelson's accent

Any paisley words used when you were younger not used now?

My gran had a bunch of fantastic old slang terms derived from French, I wish I had a list or a recording of her explaining them. I wonder if this sort of adaptation was a West Coast thing or further afield.

Fraser Nelson's accent is amazing, a thing to treasure. I trained my three year old daughter to say Vrayzer Nelzn. I know folk from Nairn and a fair few folk who went to Dollar Academy and none of them sound remotely like FN. I suspect his accent is self constructed.

I might as well confess to loving Scottish accents.

I'm not exactly sure why. I mean, for a long time, I used to not care about accents.

I once told a Scottish friend this, and he laughed at me, especially because I kind of fancy women with a Scottish accent. I guess it sounded ridiculous to him and probably to a lot of people, as well. I guess it's because it isn't a stereotypical 'nice' sounding accent, but I think it does sound great.

I can't help it. Alas, there aren't any Scottish women around here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoizByw3okU

if deems has been to Scotland I wanna know what his 1st impressions were

that's pretty ordinary for him. he usually sounds much more strangulated. as he should be.

poor deems :(

nelson's accent sounds like 'east of scotland posh' but with an unpleasant nasal quality

you mean edinburgh university student?

rifkind has the ne plus ultra of EOSP

donald dewar had a great voice, i'm not sure what his accent would be called

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKOxp2q2lss

this accent is neat, as was whatever he had beforehand

interesting at 2:35 where he uses 'hink' then 'think'

prodded off-site, no less

if deems has been to Scotland I wanna know what his 1st impressions were

― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper)

stagged and romantic tripped to edinburgh (separate trips, to be clear)

missed the flight on the romantic trip, lashed up the motorway to belfast and walk-on-ferried and then train (slow train mind you). got comped to a suite after explaining our late arrival, watching there will be blood on a 40 inch screen while in a jacuzzi got me back in the good books, dunno why missing the flight was my fault but anyway.

walked off top bunk first night of stag did this

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5147/5688129730_b227c581c5_m.jpg

edinburgh's nice

dont think i've been to scotland besides, tho we dropped a sick fella off in lerwick from the trawler once

so you've never been to real Scotland then? ;)

maybe darragh had spent his time in Edinburgh in Oxgangs. pretty damn real.

i mean it's called Oxgangs ffs.

Dunno if I've been to real Scotland. Does Dundee count? Or Inverness bus station?

anywhere that doesnt have posh home counties students iirc, so yes

we caught a connecting bus from glesga central semmed pretty fuckin real to me mayne

my first memory of glesga is of a teacher pointing towards the gorbals and telling us to never go there. don't know that i ever have, i assume it's still pretty real there.

Ivor Cutler's accent is amazing, Glasgow via Eastern European Jewish immigrant stock then a tiny dash of BBC received pronunciation, possibly gained whilst teaching in England. Interesting that when he aped his family in monologues he did it it str8 aggro weedgie.

i always feel like a bit of an accent traitor, at some young age i decided to poshen myself up so i'd speak like the smart people i wanted to be like, and it engrained enough that now my speech is pretty flattened and characterless. sorry mum :'(.

every time i get to know a scottish person well enough to abuse them i accuse them or their wife of being from the gorbals

ha, i forgot about the gorbals, our grandfather in nz used to warn us off going anywhere near them and then would only give us nonsense answers about what they even were.

The Gorbals doesn't really exist anymore, does it? They started flattening about 15-20 years ago so I don't know who lives there now.

Alas, there aren't any Scottish women around here.

Go to Scotland, I hear there's a lot of them up there.

flattening it

It's "Gorbals" not The Gorbals, as a pedantic friend of mine insists. But yeah, it's mostly just Barratt flats there now

Frank Bruno the boxer moved to the Gorbals to live with his partner in 2012

That'll presumably be the New Gorbals, a nice-looking set of tenements in a corner of where the Gorbals once was. As for the rest, there hasn't been so much city centre waste ground since the blitz.

"New Gorbals" surely to goodness

Top Chef Season 2 winner Ilan Hall named his first restaurant "The Gorbals" (in Los Angeles) after his immigrant Russian-Jewish father's neighborhood in Glasgow

Cool

Born Ilan D Hall April 6, 1982 (age 31)
Cooking style Spanish

Alas, there aren't any Scottish women around here.

Go to Scotland, I hear there's a lot of them up there.

― Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, October 9, 2013 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

(My mum works in oxgangs!)

Non-posh morningsider's perspective: I'd never heard it called ginger or pop until I was an adult- it was always juice through here.

Thread also blowing my mind that putting your rubbish in a bucket is a scottish thing. Seven years of living in england and it's never come up. Or if it has people have waited til I've walked away to ask wtf that guy was talking about.

I always thought calling juice (or fizzy) pop was an English thing.

it is.

Ive always called it juice or ginger. If its a barrs glass bottle (or Bon Accord - remember the truck that used to come round?) I called it ginger.

I remember the Bon Accord truck, but never called it ginger - juice or fizzy depending in the intended level of carbonation.

Luggy, Juice or Scoosh. That's from Kilmarnock. I think people would call the Bon Accord lorry the Luggy Truck but maybe I'm imagining that.

Or if it has people have waited til I've walked away to ask wtf that guy was talking about.

I hate to break it to you...

I always thought calling juice (or fizzy) pop was an English thing.

When I was at university I had a housemate who was Scottish and a girlfriend from Lancashire. Only the former said 'bucket' for bin and only the latter said 'pop' for fizzy drinks. In the south no one would say 'pop' or 'juice' or 'ginger'. There isn't even a word.

The professional sector accents in Scotland are different, depending on what side of Scotland you're on. Edinburgh prof'l accent has slightly fruitier vowels and a tendency. Glasgow professional is a generally softer accent with the odd suppressed consonant.

Xposts - juice instead of pop was the hardest thing to adapt to moving from Lancashire to Scotland. I've never heard anyone calling a bin a bucket.

fruitier?!

example of suppressed consonant?

Gnn! ...a tendency towards strangulated delivery

that doesn't really help...

Gnn! ...a tendency towards strangulated delivery

― calumerio,

He typed that while on the cludgie.

oh nevermind

Fruitier - more deliberately pronounced, what you might call Theatrical RP, but just tossed in there: Takeover Code as "Takeover C-owed". Not meaning fruitier in any pejorative sense!

Suppressed consonant would be intermittently going a half step towards saying a limmyesque "hing" in place of "thing". Its adopting a less traditionally well spoken accent for the odd consonant sound, without any rigour or consistency as to how it's done.

If its a barrs glass bottle (or Bon Accord - remember the truck that used to come round?) I called it ginger

So does ginger=irn bru? Can it be barr's lemonade or whatever and be called ginger as well?

It's any sugary fizzy drink.

yes

Truly we are motorways apart

Do remember the bon accord van though - it used to come down my nana's road in gracemount

my gran in edinburgh got it. Loved it. It used to come round the village where i lived at the time (near hamilton) and my mum wouldnt ever buy from it :(

A guy I knew at school ended up working on the Bon Accord truck, after he left school as early as possible. It was a very similar scenario to the bit in Gregory's Girl where the window cleaner comes back to visit the school. Kids were all jealous of him not having to go to school and having as much free scoosh as he liked (apparently).

in Ayr skoosh meant "easy"

"Luggy" became gluggy by the time it hit Irvine

never heard either in Prestwick/Ayr

Also "chuggie" for chewing gum seemed to obvious to post, but looking at this thread I realise it actually isn't.

*too

yup chuggie = chewing gum there

gongy = condom. Never heard it called that ANYWHERE else

i recognise skoosh as meaning both juice and easy, but these last few words you've just made up haven't you.

I've noticed a slightly harsh, gutteral, pronounciation of the "ck" sound in some Dundonian friends' accents but i'm struggling to find a way of describing it written down. Sometimes i think it's almost a silent "ck", but with the stop still in place. Best example i can give is a word like "backies" (back garden), it's spoken quicly and is clearly two syllables but doesn't linger on th "ck". I'm not sure my explanation is all that great.

chewing gum is obviously 'choongie' (choon-gay).

At school (Perth) we used "ged" rather than "ned", never really heard the latter until I went to university in Embra. An ex was from Dingwall and used "ged" to mean a man or person. In Dundee everyone's a "boy", "those boys", but it's pronounced more like "biys".

also in ayr there was chud = idiot

in Ayr swedger = sweets.
In Edinburgh = fighting

How could i forget "doss" and "dossic", meaning "good" or "great".

Sweets come in a poke everywhere, right?

doss = sleep
dosshouse = place homeless people sleep. the great western dosshouse was the most infamous

while we're going down memory lane who all remembers a 10p mix up?

yeah i think a poke is universal. decades of shopkeepers disturbing tourists by asking them if they'd like a wee poke.

wasn't there a thread on scottish insults a while back?

aye , ya bawheid

:'(

i suspect ginger meant irn bru only initially everywhere and was extended to mean all soft drinks.

a poke can also be an ice cream cone.

to all the scots who moved down south have you had to slow down when talking for them to understand you?

This category contains Scots pejoratives

deej deej deej deej deej deej

that's the one. surprised to see that no one listed 'fearty' (or the slightly infantilized version 'feartypants' though.

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was tumshie in there?

can't you do your own wiktionary pages for them replete with IPA symbols etc

to all the scots who moved down south have you had to slow down when talking for them to understand you?

I don't do it deliberately, but friends say they notice a difference when I've been talking to family or gone back home for a bit. And actually, I think I have a bit of a weird glottal stop that I didn't used to have- I get a bit paranoid about losing my accent. I remember coming back from a year in the states terrified I sounded like Sheena Easton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmnEWNzngCI

high quality material

I don't know if it's just a Radio Scotland thing, but "Glasgow" pronounced as "class-co" is one I often notice.

Whereas the correct pronunciation would be "gless-ca".

just remembered there is or used to be a bbc news correspondent with a very ditinctive highlands accent

The Computer's First Dialect Poems

I THE FURZE KIDDERS BATING (Northamptonshire)

Blea on the baulk the furze kidder rocked
with a bottle of flags and a budget of bent.
Sawning and soodling in a drabbled scrip
he hirpled and jolled hirkling and croodling.
Morts of mizzled mouldiwarps
gaddered the ball at beavering hour
and progged the fotherer's frumitory.
His cag of stingo by the stools
was teemed by puddock, pink, and pismire.
Glabbering sturnels swooped on sprotes.
Rawky popples whewed and quawked.
Hariff and foulroyce clouted the meer.
Bristling at clink and bandy chock
his sawny doll pelted pranking.
Bating the lown with hugh icles
She pilled him on the pudgy platt
and pessed his yaum at pluft as a pooty.

A bumbarrel scrowed Joe Millar's book.

II THE BIRKIE AND THE HOWDIE (Lowland Scots)

A dorty, vogie, chanler-chaftit birkie
brattled the aizles o the clachan chimlie,
glunched at his jaupin quaich o usquebae,
scunnered red-wud at the clarty lyart howdie
snirtlin by the ingle-neuk sae laithron and tozie,
and gied the thowless quine a blaud wi his gully
till she skrieghed like a cut-luggit houlet and dang her tessie
aff-loof at his unco doup, the glaikit tawpie.
The skellum callan goaved at her fell drumlie:
'Ye tockerless wanchancie staumrel hizzie,
ye groazlin, driddlin grumphie, ye awnie ferlie,
deil gie your kyte curmurrings o scroggy cowdie,
and bogles graizle ilka ramfeezl't hurdie
till aa your snash is steekit, ya duddie hoodie!'

-'Ach, I hae warlock-briefs, stegh the collieshangie!
Aa your ier-oes sall gang sae muckle agley
they'se turn to blitters and bauckie-birds, and in a brulzie
they'se mak their joes o taeds, aa thrang and sonsie,
snowkin in aidle whaur asks and clegs are grushie:
yon is an ourie pliskie!'
Wha wan the tulzie?

Edwin Morgan

The last line is meant to be inset to the end of the preceding line. Just for accuracy's sake.

Another one to add to the list of Scottish accents are the grotesquely extenuated and fucked up vowel sounds of (some) Scots who've lived in England for a long time - the best example I can think of is Kevin Gallacher (the former Blackburn Rovers and Newcastle winger) trying to pronounce the word "now". But see also Denis Law (who in many ways pioneered this strange accent), Tommy Docherty, Fraser Nelson et al.

just remembered there is or used to be a bbc news correspondent with a very ditinctive highlands accent

BBC Scotland's full of them, it's the fuckin' Gaelic mafia there, I'm tellin' ye

I'd like to know more about Scottish accents popping up sometimes in Canadian speech. Cliff Thorburn sounds very odd to me, I don't think that's just a regular Canadian accent he has.

I've trying to figure out whether comedian and panel show whore Tony Law was Scottish or Irish for a while now. Turns out he's Canadian.

That's the one who channels Andy Weatherall w/Kitchener hipster-beard nonsense?

Sounds like the one. Very wacky, not particularly funny.

I'd like to know more about Scottish accents popping up sometimes in Canadian speech. Cliff Thorburn sounds very odd to me, I don't think that's just a regular Canadian accent he has.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_English

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Maritime_English

I'd never be able to distinguish those I'm afraid. With Cliff I noticed he makes a very pronounced 'oo' sound that sounds quite olde-worlde and rustic to me. If I were trying to replicate it I'd be trumpeting my lips and pushing them forward as far as they can go.

Canadian Raising

This was fun

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03ngvgl/Dream_Me_Up_Scotty/

(Extra fun because of mother sktsh spitting blood at Brian Sewell's rp trolling)

An ex was from Dingwall and used "ged" to mean a man or person

Never noticed this. I've never heard this, it'd have been a gadgie or a gadgiecoff 10 miles down the road in Inverness.

xp yeah I enjoyed it, Brian Sewell was either a good sport to put himself in the role of mean old Englishman or (preferably) the troll himself has been trolled.

https://i.imgur.com/iJLdqxQ.jpg

The thread title says “Scottish”, Tom

There are some Scottish people in Edinburgh though, they tend to keep them in council estates on the outskirts, as far away from the tourists as possible.

Think gyac is pointing out that the scotch dont like the word scottish tbf

what

The thread title says “Scottish”, Tom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnNQvy8FovY

R.D. Laing strikes me as having a classic Glasgow accent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9COKxBVx9w

... and I don't just mean "drunk".

Have you heard of this guy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_John_Ellis
And his book?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Early_English_Pronunciation%2C_Part_V#Survey

Maybe I should’ve posted on my own thread.

Have been reading Nicholas Nickleby, much of which, as every starving schoolboy knows, takes place in Yorkshire, and was trying to figure out how closely related Yorkshire dialect is to Scots. I guess in the fourteenth century the general Northumbrian dialect was close to what was spoken in Aberdeen but there’s been a wee bit of divergence since then.

There'll be a lot of similar words used but they don't sound anything alike.

Northumbria stretched up to Edinburgh at one point. Aberdeen was firmly in Pictland.

prior to mass broadcast media the differences between regional accents and dialects was much bigger than it is today

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac) wrote this on thread The Irish on board I Love Everything on 09-Mar-2020

said it manys the time, theres seven accents on the island and traceable if i may be allowed to imagine without any evidence other than my own fancy back to the seven different maisteairi of the different parishes back when everyones grandparents were learning proper enguleesh

Tom, do you notice any real differences between a Paisley accent and Glasgow?

My folks are all from Paisley but I was raised in N. Ayrshire. My Gran and Grandad especially had a lot of little quirks that I (possibly mistakenly) attribute to Paisley, things like putting a near-silent H in front of words like "it"

Not any more. There used to be differences, my dad would call a "pencil" a "peencil" for instance. My mum used to say people from Glasgow called the floor, "the flerr",while people from Paisley called it "the flair". I managed to get an entire Boaby G skit out of it when I had him bump into Momus one time.

trying to get my head around the temporal implications of being asked "will you have been wanting a drop of tea just now"

was it a drop of tea you were after?

Hello, is it tea you're looking for ...

And to bring it on topic, I've met two Scots in my job, one had what I considered a "classic Scottish" accent, the other I couldn't place at all, just "British empire." He later told me he was from the Shetland Islands.