subdermal implants - for the love of christ why

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you intolerant wanker!

Yeah, if some people want to get these, why should that problem to anyone else? Why are they worse than tattoos or piercings or any other types of body modification? Or do you think all body mods are wrong?

"why should that be a problem"

Looking like you've got a starfish-shaped tumour is pretty digusting actually. I can't imagine any of these actually looking cool.

i reserve the right to cringe in disgust and horror at the sight of these, and accept the right of anyone else to judge me an intolerant wanker for doing so.

do they do anything yet? i think a subdermal cellphone chip would be cool - telepathic angry birds!

ledge otm

also there are tons of piercings, tats and other body mods that are really fucking grotesque

but obv i defend people's right to make themselves look really fucking grotesque

a handy guide to discover how much of an intolerant wanker you are:

http://www.photographyschoolsonline.net/blog/2010/25-weird-and-wild-subdermal-implants/

those were all cool except the heart one which was a bit trite

You have remedial aesthetic sense.

nice one cator estate

^^^this will survive at least 20 seconds before removal

Apparently I'm a massively intolerant wanker.

whoa dude you say that like it's news

mostly it looks like these people have weird, tiny empanadas growing on their body

morelike subderpmal implants yeah?

so this is for like people who always wished they could look like a star trek reptile man?

isn't it itchy

i embrace this future

(nb i'm not gonna get anything implanted in me)

I got down to the dude who put bagels in his forehead and just couldn't stop laughing

i don't know anyone who has these but i do know someone who does that whole 'hanging one's body from hooks' thing and i blocked her on facebook because photographs of her hobby are fucking nasty. obv people can do whatever they want, some things are just plain gross to me but that seems to be the entire point, right? does someone get a subdermal implant without wanting to distance themselves from people in some way?

they only want to distance themselves from people who don't have bagels in their head

all be laughing on the other side of our faces when the superior lumpy race is running things

Letting the old LJ out to play for a bit today, imago?

yeah why not

shit like this just winds me up beyond the point of tacit disapproval

see putting bagels in my head sounds great right now, i'd just prefer to do it without unfastening my skin first

xxps

i agree that this snide bigotry against people who thru know fault of their own have had lumps implanted in their faces is not on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ6TI8KFmZs

I don't understand the point of these if you can't somehow make them creepily wriggle via a remote control.

they make you look really hard and alternative ffs

Yeah, but if I'm in a conversation with bagelface, those shits better start moving around if he wants to keep my attention.

y'all should be making your world work more harmoniously with these folks, not the other way around

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQNDCx_6sk4

i agree that this snide bigotry against people who thru know fault of their own have had lumps implanted in their faces is not on

― increasingly desperate demand for high (Noodle Vague), Friday, October 25, 2013 2:54 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

implantation is a big deal as with all body modifcation

it reasonably follows that people who do it feel much more comfortable in their new body

it reasonably follows that they are not participating in a fad as expressing strongly-held aspects of their selves

it reasonably follows that they are not expressing a choice so much as an internal mandate and that the implants must therefore be understood as absolutely part of their physical nature

just imagining dude having a conversation and one bagel is kind of falling down a bit and it's like 'yo bro your bagel's slipping' and he presses it into place w/his finger like 'oh is that better'

sometimes you shouldn't do something just bc your 'internal mandate' suggested it. cf dog voices directing you to kill

How is this thread happening in 2013? all like "aaaaaaaaaaa, lollapalooza second stage whyyyy?" Only person I knew with a subdermal used it as a convenient place to pour out bumps of K.

i'm tempted to put "cf dog voices directing you to kill" after every post now

imago otm

"aaaaaaaaaaa, lollapalooza second stage whyyyy?"

idk i think it's cool that some things stay unheimlich

seems like a real infection risk to me tho

seems like a real infection risk to me tho, cf dog voices directing you to kill

haha i was just coming here to basically say the same thing as how's life wrt "wait is it 2003 all of a sudden"?

it reasonably follows that they are not expressing a choice so much as an internal mandate and that the implants must therefore be understood as absolutely part of their physical nature

i think you're underestimating peoples' inner-directedness here. people do shit for what it means based on comparison with those around them. we aren't [insert ethnicity with long tradition of body modification here] so this shit is "wild"

i haven't seen the pictures but i would assume that the bagel head thing is prob related to that weird forehead saline injection thing that was going on a few years ago in japan? at least i think it was japan.

How is this thread happening in 2013? all like "aaaaaaaaaaa, lollapalooza second stage whyyyy?" Only person I knew with a subdermal used it as a convenient place to pour out bumps of K.

― how's life, Friday, October 25, 2013 3:09 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is like a more ethically defensible versh of the story about the Metallica aftershow where a dwarf was walking round so ppl could do lines off the top of his head

yeah i think it is.

um, xp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagel_head

this thing

I honestly don't trust your judgment if Bagels didn't make you laugh.

haha now i feel like the creepy guy who is like "wait you herbs dont know about *super bizarre fucked up thing*" and then stares at you just a liiittle too long

it reasonably follows that they are not expressing a choice so much as an internal mandate and that the implants must therefore be understood as absolutely part of their physical nature

― little busquets made of tiki-taka (imago), Friday, October 25, 2013 11:04 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"So, is that your internal mandate, or are you just glad to see me?"

implantation is a big deal as with all body modifcation

it reasonably follows that people who do it feel much more comfortable in their new body

No, it doesn't. Body modification does not automatically make people feel more comfortable in their bodies; see as counterexample the non-negligible number of people who keep doing it, whether it be full-body tattoos or repeated plastic surgeries or what have you. For a demonstrable subset, there is no end point, rather they are asymptotically approaching "comfortable".

And that isn't a value judgment although I realize it sounds like one; whether it's good or bad for others to modify their bodies is none of my personal business. If the results looks stupid to me, I reserve the right to have an honest reaction to them.

(Having said that, reading that the bagel thing is supposed to look dumb and that it's nonpermanent has cemented it as my favorite thing on display here)

that's a good point; yet there is at least an effort to feel comfortable - a vector of externalised negotiation that can't be dismissed xp

love how that wiki says the result resembles a "bagel or doughnut". you decide

how are there no pictures itt

there's a cool brony youtube

http://media.twirlit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/the-enigma-subdermal-implants.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/3473355368/ddfac9389a3e6aca555d39cc201c0c5e.jpeg

Feels like if ILX would happily and unselfconsciously clown somebody for wearing a dumb T-shirt or ridiculous pair of pants, there's not much point in getting all "IT'S THEIR CHOICE" about devil-horn nubbins and/or things that make it look like you lost a huge piercing and then went "OMG it's inside my HAND, how in the world did it get THERE"

That would be super-unfair to people who wear Ed Hardy and just want to be left alone with their choices and agency

<3

Anyway I will look into getting some ridges put into my nose to hold up my glasses / make me look Bajoran

holy fuck crut

http://i.imgur.com/iAS3AID.jpg

i refer readers to my initial post

maybe i can just pretend my varicose veins are actually really a cool body-mod thing ?

Does that guy turn into teh wolferine y/n?

For the record I am cool with people doing whatever with their skin, though I can't help imagining the day they looked down at their own bodies and thought "the problem is we need more content, that's what's gonna drive traffic here." Maybe one psychological advantage of growing up non-white in white areas is that you worry less about your body being "boring."

"dudes who dress up like Wolverine" is probably a thread-worth of hilarity on its own

Maybe one psychological advantage of growing up non-white in white areas is that you worry less about your body being "boring."

I missed having your voice around here.

For the record I am cool with people doing whatever with their skin, though I can't help imagining the day they looked down at their own bodies and thought "the problem is we need more content, that's what's gonna drive traffic here."

― ንፁህ አበበ (nabisco), Friday, October 25, 2013 3:47 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

obv not gonna take issue w/ yr 2nd sentence but this strikes me as reductive of what impels ppl to modify their bodies

your own post is pretty reductive, just in the opposite direction.

if lj wants to get subdermal implants i think as a community ilx should be supportive of his choice. lj, plz post pics of your new body modifications to wdyll plz!

It is totally reductive and probably a cheap shot! I'm sure people have countless deep/complex/personal reasons for changing their bodies, which is why it's their business and not mine. Just saying I can't help imagining certain comic versions of it. (Sup, DJP!)

if we accept then that dialectically speaking nabisco and I are militating for opposite ends of the bodymod impulsion spectrum, does it not follow that the truth might be a synthesis of the two, and thus potentially contain both elements of wacky individualisation AND externalisation of true self?

mordy I'm an ally, not a participant

body modification is the philosophy, subdermal implants are the practice

louis jagged

form equals content bro

idk if the subdermal crowd are looking for 'allies' necessarily. isn't gross-out disapproval part of the sale?

of course they want allies. there's a sociocultural war on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subdermal_implant

Klara Jirkova, a student at the Berlin University of the Arts, raised the possibility of using subdermal implants to create "Braille tattoos" readable by the blind. She proposes that small implants could be grouped to form braille characters, which she says "can be read by touch – stroke by blind people.[7] She suggests that, if located near the thumb where they could be read during a handshake, "Braille tattoos" could help the blind recognize whom they are greeting. She states that this will be a more meaningful form of body modification as it relates to the sense of touch instead of sight.[7]

Despite the media attention Jirkova's proposal received, this application of subdermal implants is, at best, impractical. A "braille tattoo" as a form of identification between the blind would be extraneous, as the blind can easily identify others by speaking to them. Such a procedure would have a low success rate, as the implants would most likely shift during healing.[8][better source needed] The smooth, round implants Jirkova suggests are especially prone to shifting and it is likely that a "Braille tattoo" would migrate to the point of being unreadable. The commonly seen "Braille tattoo" image is a photo manipulation from Jirkova's report, not a successfully completed modification.

Although individual ball implants would present too many problems due to migration, flat premade square silicone "character" sheets with pre-positioned dots would solve the readability problems. These individual square sheets could be preformed and implanted with the desired effect.[original research?]

individual ball implants would present too many problems

baby I assure you my individual ball implants are just fine B)

A "braille tattoo" as a form of identification between the blind would be extraneous, as the blind can easily identify others by speaking to them.

I did lol at this, even if it's ableist

maybe part of the issue here is that people go from tattoos to piercings to subdermal as a kind of progression, and so the end results look really "busy" and cluttered- like honestly I think the the satyr horn things look kinda cool in a circus freak/ dionysian goat person way, but when they're dumped on top of manic panic hair and a tacklebox face of too many lip piercings then the end result is just crappy and trashy and counterculture-as-kitsch, like you wind up looking like a Godsmack roadie or something. maybe that sounds classist but it's really just a question of aesthetics. The other big problem with the subdermal stuff isthat there's always a pretty noticable insertion scar where the object got shoved in and even though they heal, they're supernoticeable and detract from the effect of an uncanny object just surfacing from the skin.

mostly they all just remind me of:

http://unaffiliatedcritic.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Help-Me.jpg

When my allergies are bad my tattoos raise slightly. No Braille implants necessary if the blind discontinue Claritin.

"Getting a Braille tattoo" was on justgirlythings recently.

I am not militating for anything or joining any dialectic! Whatever, I have no opinions, people can do what they like with their bodies, it's cool. All of us are engaged in some form of "externalizing the true self," and there are areas (like gender presentation) where it's really life-or-death important to let people find their own ways of being in our culture.

The only thing I'd pick on here is the culture itself, which I think sometimes overvalues "externalization of true self" to the point where it's less interested in using bodies to be something, and more interested in using them to present as that thing. That's the weird backdrop we're working against, and whatever people need to do to find a place of comfort in it is their business.

maybe that sounds classist but it's really just a question of aesthetics

haha that's exactly what the cultivated classes WOULD say

the tune was space, where's that image from?

Teh Exorcist

nabisco, what would you say accounts for your less than prolific ilx posting as of late?

job, baby, strong and sudden disinclination to engage with overheated cacophony of opinion called "internet"

also bagels in head iirc

maybe that sounds classist but it's really just a question of aesthetics

haha that's exactly what the cultivated classes WOULD say

― j., Friday, October 25, 2013 1:03 PM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

okay, yeah, busted, that looks like a classic sleight of hand move there

maybe there's some middleaged / aging hipster disavowal going on here, but, I mean, I have eleven tattoos, I'm not some snob about doing stuff to your body, it's all a question of whether stuff that you do to your body looks fucking stupid or not

of course, mileage may vary- but I think if you're going to do something super intense to the form of your body, then maybe having lots of nearby other things that you also did to your body just takes away from the power of the formal change, and that happens when somebody has five face piercings AND goat horns. maybe just take out the face piercings and rock the horns?

The pics of subdermal implants at the site ledge linked just made me think that the owners of such implants all desire to look like comic book characters.

Just a quick

You have remedial aesthetic sense.

― Matt DC, Friday, October 25, 2013 2:49 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think LJ would wholeheartedly agree with this tbf, if only cause he actually knows what the word means

lmao @ crut's juxtaposition

crut is a naughty boy

damn, Nabisco...I kinda feel like we're at a bobcats game and Jordan just got up out of his court side seats and dunked from the free throw line in his dress shoes

Anyway I will look into getting some ridges put into my nose to hold up my glasses / make me look Bajoran

― ንፁህ አበበ (nabisco), Friday, October 25, 2013 3:35 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

These are the best reasons to get subdermal implants I have ever heard.

ignorant concern trolling from a BM-free person: should these kinds of procedures be performed by, say, cosmetic surgeons (for health/safety reasons)?

sometimes one should avoid the abbreviation/acronym for clarity's sake

arrrggghh

LOL

GIS "stalking cat" for potentially nightmare inducing facial modifications.

I'm for these for functional purposes and agin' it for decorative purposes

The bagel forehead is not a subdermal implant, it's injections of saline that temporarily make the skin bloat.

The saline just gets absorbed into the bloodstream after time.

In interviews, Stalking Cat stated that he chose to alter his physical appearance in accordance with an ancient Huron tradition, where Huron people alter their bodies to resemble their totem animals. Stalking Cat told of how he met a Native chief, who encouraged him to follow the ways of his totem animal. Stalking Cat also told of how his totem was actually a female tiger, and how he felt moved to blur the gender boundaries as well.[5]

While living in San Diego, Stalking Cat met Tess Calhoun at a furry convention.

mhmm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2487100/Now-THATS-wearable-technology-Man-implants-mini-SKIN-track-body-temperature.html

Nothing like an obscenely uncomfortable implant that texts you when you have a fever.

I mean, I have never actually had a problem figuring out when I've had a fever so I guess I'm not the target demo for this?

(also I've never wanted Frankenstein stitches in my forearm)

oh man, didn't see this thread before

That enigma dude either was living around town or knew someone in town a couple years ago. I'd run into him occasionally. I appreciate that he has an aesthetic and career that seems to work with his look.

he's most commonly spotted at guitar center

fwiw I think being known as someone who hangs around guitar center is probably more of a social stigma than subdermal implants

I'm for these for functional purposes and agin' it for decorative purposes

http://www.thehealthage.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/implanon-contraceptive1.jpg

I feel like this could be an I Love Style thread because we're more talking about personal aesthetics than any sort of judgment of character, here

except that dude who looks like a cat, I don't think I could really relate on a personal level

Nah this is an I Love Clowning People Who Are Different thread, don't harsh the buzz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha4V5e83RwE

do you feel that casting a critical eye on the aesthetic choices of others is always wrong?

lmao

idk if the subdermal crowd are looking for 'allies' necessarily. isn't gross-out disapproval part of the sale?

― goole, Friday, October 25, 2013 11:05 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

of course they want allies. there's a sociocultural war on.

― little busquets made of tiki-taka (imago), Friday, October 25, 2013 11:07 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol wth were you on about here

pearls_under_penis_skin.tiff

can't wait for imago's next WDYLL where he reveals he's put in extensive subdermal facial implants in order to look like a monchichi

his next okcupid date is going to have a pepsi logo tattooed on her face

joining the war effort

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I would really like to talk to someone who's gone for a modification this extreme, I think it would be way more interesting than the 'Why I Have This Piercing' conversation