TRUE DETECTIVE on hbo - Season Two

http://www.nerdist.com/2014/05/exclusive-jessica-chastain-offered-lead-role-in-hbos-true-detective-season-2/

According to sources, the Zero Dark Thirty actress has been offered a leading role in the second season but has yet to accept. As for official confirmation, we reached out to representatives for Chastain, who have declined to comment at this time.

She'd be a fool not to.

Unless she plays it really differently, I just imagine this being so much like her character from Zero Dark Thirty that it would be yawnsome. Maybe she'll take a different angle, but earnest and stressed out do-gooder is already well on its way to becoming her standard role.

When I was trying to think of who I'd pair her with last night, I kept going back to Cliff Curtis for some reason. I think it's because I like how he played the "Searle" role in 'Sunshine.'

DENIED

http://uk.eonline.com/news/543882/jessica-chastain-for-true-detective-season-2-sorry-to-burst-your-bubble

I'm oddly relieved.

your reason for being disappointed was odd and nonsensical too so

ah damn she'd be great with NP's dialogue. plus I think she's really pretty.

your reason for being disappointed was odd and nonsensical too so

I was hardly the only person worried about ZD30 pt 2, believe me.

i mean... a character that would most likely be a detective trying to solve a murder is KINDA like a cia operative trying to find osama bin laden but unless she, like, wore the same shades and played the character with the exact same mannerisms it seems like a pretty pointless thing to worry about.

how can we trust this actress with a yet-to-exist new role knowing there is a chance that she might accidentally play it exactly like one of her former roles

I hope she doesn't play it exactly like her part in Tree of Life, flouncing around in a windy house filled with flowing white curtains.

I need to not be on ilx I think.

(today)

http://flickminute.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Madagarscar-3-_Alex-and-Gia_circus-act.jpg

#TrueDetectiveSeasonTwo

http://cdn.sheknows.com/articles/2011/11/ASOS-Jessica-Chastain-the-help.jpg

#TrueDetectiveSeasonTwo

True Detective Season 2 starring Paulie Shore and whichever Baldwin brother is sober enough to answer the phone. It could take place in a biodome or backstage at MTV spring break '93

hey weird my friend just texted me to say he's at his gym and spotted paulie shore working out there

That's almost as surprising as finding out shore is still alive. I assumed he just vaporized at midnight on NYE 2000

If you want to see Chastain in True Detective, just watch this movie

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjMxMDQzNjkwMF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMDM0MzU0Ng@@._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg

Texas Killing Fields: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1389127/

thought about the killing fields a lot in relation to season 1. I have to imagine it inspired the show to an extent. It's impossibly grim though.

Weren't they going to set S2 in a metro? I kinda prefer it rural, because cop show in NYC or LA is the boringest of tropes at this point.

A rust belt city might be fun.

Houston would be an amazing choice but too close to Louisiana I suppose.

yeah Pizzolatto has said that S2 will take place in Los Angeles and will be about "the secret occult history of the United States transportation system," so i'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that it will be more in line with the first season than just a generic LA noir thing. xp

"the secret occult history of the United States transportation system,"

I'm in.

i have a suspicious that this will be totally amazing and even better than season one because i think there's a tendency for writers or artists to sort of exhale and realize once they get their dream project realized and then that often leads to a surge of creativity. the possibilities expand.

realize = relax

It's not like creepy hillbilly noir is particularly fresh at this point either.

"the secret occult history of the United States transportation system,"

so, Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

Toon Detective

he didn't say Los Angeles specifically, just hinted at southern California

and Fukunaga said, "The next season, I think, has to do with something industrial in California."

feels like detroit is a missed opportunity but maybe that's just me

i'm still rooting for Helsinki in the 70's

i mean, of all the cities in america detroit is easily the one i could see some serious noir/gothic/nearly metaphysical cult shit go down since it's basically thunderdome at this point

Even when Detroit wasn't halfway to a ghost town, it had some of the best architecture in the country and should've been the home to more shows.

agreed, and now that it has that 'ghost of a town' feel to it, it seems like a sure thing.

there's always Herzog's lieutenant

first description of s2 plotline put me in mind of lot 49

New Orleans would be also an acceptable option though it was already kind of part of S1

s1 kind of was a gritty remake of who framed roger rabbit when u really think about it

if only they had conceived an ending half as terrifying as WFRR's

being steamrollered by cliche was still quite upsetting tbf

ugh ugh ugh woody Jessica rabbit aghhhh

i have a suspicious that this will be totally amazing and even better than season one because i think there's a tendency for writers or artists to sort of exhale and realize once they get their dream project realized and then that often leads to a surge of creativity. the possibilities expand.

― ryan, Wednesday, May 21, 2014 4:36 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes, the "sophomore slump" is definitely not a thing

something tells me you won't be terribly predisposed to like season two.

i would actually be totes happy if it was good. prove me wrong n-piz!

sending positive vibes to NP

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_versus_NP_problem

^ true detective season 3

Salton Sea would be cool.

http://cdn.sheknows.com/articles/2011/11/ASOS-Jessica-Chastain-the-help.jpg
"I'm gettin' too old for this shit"

California love

http://www.mtv.com/news/1832253/true-detective-season-2-location/

"And we're going to try to capture a certain psychosphere ambiance of the place, much like we did in season one."

fuck, this dude says "psychosphere" irl

i listened to the interview with him
he says vuh-he-cle in a kinda mcconaugheyish way also

i think ozzy had a psychosphere on the ultimate sin tour in 86

I'm biased but I kinda love how unpretentiously pretentious he is. would be curious if MM modeled any of his performance after him.

i think you mean "unabashedly"

Convincing Barman Nic Pizzolatto,

xp: either way I am for it!

plus he's given me the word "psychosphere."

he was a bartender in Austin and FYI they are all like that.

maybe it's a type that extends beyond Austin but there's definitely Alex Jones crossed with an eternal phd candidate type of dudes all over the place.

Sounds like a Central Valley story, with that desolation we saw in the Zodiac hitchhiker scene.

ooh yeah

ha ha, rad
i meant that sincerely in support of your unpretentiously pretentious thesis, btw

hope the dude goes for it in season two and has characters swilling cheap beer and quoting hegel at each other f the haterz.

should we all read this in preparation?

http://www.weirdwiltshire.co.uk/wordpress-3.2.1/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/EOWCoverFnl.jpg

1915 San Bernadino

oh damn I think I'm gonna!

http://www.missingpersons-ireland.freepress-freespeech.com/didfredwestmurdertoorder.htm

let's send rust to europe imo

I thought "the other California" was kind of a popular literary/filmic subject

I mean IDK, maybe no moreso than anywhere else

forget it hurting, it's

Fresno

that book cover is commanding my attention v well

That book is 100% straight-up A-plus. California para-history mythology is (as they say) relevant to my interests, Advise folks to look in here: Eden Ahbez, Jack Parsons, and other LA kooks...

hey you know what will be interesting about season two of this, maybe more than the cast/locale/degree of embroilment in occult happenings: how it is structured. the first's plot facilitated this really prerty sophisticated framework; different time periods, reliability of narrators, shifting focus. the newer cops were a part of this. i wonder if the guy has ideas for something equivalent

like the collision of the narration with the protagonists in varying eras of vigor & weariness gave it such weight

yeah that is one underrated strength of the one-off 8 season arc, they can blow through a longer time period like a novel where most shows have to proceed with a straightforward year-by-year chronology to match the production schedule. i wouldn't necessarily want TD to always jump back and forth between 2 eras, but the idea of a long investigation unfolding over years is good. so many cop shows have to resolve cases in unrealistically short periods of time, might as well let things play out for much longer.

I kind of wish they would go the full Bolaño with this and set it at the San Ysidro border (but then I actually just wish HBO would commission a sprawling 2666 adaptation....)

Fresno

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, May 27, 2014 3:05 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is an excellent idea.

Fresno is one of the cities along with Terre Haute, IN & Vancouver, WA that I have gotten instant, lets-get-the-fuck-out-of-here vibes from.

"just wish HBO would commission a sprawling 2666 adaptation."
otm

XP if that's the criteria I can't get wait for season three in stockport

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Wesson
What I think of when I think of Fresno

first two google news results are promising

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/36/Fresno_(TV_miniseries).jpg

Fresno is one of the cities along with Terre Haute, IN & Vancouver, WA that I have gotten instant, lets-get-the-fuck-out-of-here vibes from.

― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion),

Amarillo for me

xpost Apropos of nothing, you just completely blew my mind with that. I had a dream as a kid about Carol Burnett owning a vineyard (which I only really remember because it was maybe the most boring and interminable dream I ever had) and I thought it was completely a product of my imagination.

does anyone else feel like the promo spots HBO is airing for the final season of true blood and the premiere season if the leftovers look like they're for the exact same show?

True Leftovers

i thought they were ads for a new show about Louisiana called Treme Bloodtective

In a discussion about his shift towards long-form television as opposed to big-screen features (both "To Live and Die in LA" and "Killer Joe" are being mooted for TV adaptations, and we've plenty on both in the upcoming interview), Friedkin name-checked a few shows that he felt had taken the place of films as the topic of water-cooler, or "coffee machine" conversation—"Homeland," "24," and "True Detective."

At the mention of the last we couldn't help but let him know that we had him pegged as one of the five directors we'd like to see direct a season of the show down the line. Would he consider it, we asked, if they came knocking? He paused a moment, looking a tiny bit surprised.

"I am considering it." said Friedkin. "I like this writer [Nic Pizzolatto] very much. I've met him, and he's the real deal as far as I'm concerned. Now, all the new seasons are different so I'm not committed—this new season has nothing to do with the last one. Except for him and his sensibility, which I think is extraordinary."

Pushing a little to get him to confirm that he's in the mix, Friedkin remained positive but circumspect.

"I'm… I can't say much more at this time. But I'm a fan of his writing, even though this will not be a continuation of what was done before with (Matthew) McConaughey (with whom obviously Friedkin has a relationship after 'Killer Joe') and Woody Harrelson. So what you can say is I'm a huge fan of his writing, I've met with him, I like him, I like the direction he's taking with this."

"Did you guys see Homeland last night? Wow!"

"My favorite part is the relationship between Claire Danes and the terrorist guy!"

"Or that little kid who is always practicing karate, he is so awesome!"

unh

http://defamer.gawker.com/colin-farrell-reportedly-in-talks-to-star-in-true-detec-1603667663

I love Friedkin but I dunno if his strengths would really be best-served in a longform TV series

better get one great car chase out of it

I love Friedkin but I dunno if his strengths would really be best-served in a longform TV series

― Οὖτις - i get this but i kinda think this show is an exception, to live and die in l.a. stretched out into episodic form could totally be a season of true detective.

friedkin did an episode of csi

there were an unprecedented number of crowd scenes

hopefully Wang Chung will replace T Bone Burnett

http://tvline.com/2014/07/11/true-detective-colin-farrell-season-2-cast/

Along with Farrell, Taylor Kitsch is being floated. RIGGINS!*

(I just like to say "Riggins!" when possible. I'm not exactly endorsing him being cast.)

mateo and woody driving through a field chasing king koopa on his lawnmower

i'll watch it for sure, but when i think about the problems of the td script i don't think of william friedkin as the guy who can navigate us past them

i guess i should say "i would watch it for sure" as we're just working with a bit of cryptic confusion in an interview

we're faced with the very real prospect of COLIN FARRELL starring in the next season and you're worried about Friedkin maybe directing a later season?

I won't watch anything with colin farrell in it, in case that wasn't clear

If you can't cast ugly people in a show like this, where can you cast them anymore?

i'm cool with colin farrell starring in this television show

miami vice: the movie: the tv series

colin's done some fine work, just been in a lot of bad movies

i mean there are reports that there are 4 leads and maybe there's still a heavy that hasn't been announced, but if the biggest star in the show goes from MM to CF that's kind of a downgrade just in starpower, never mind that i wouldn't put In Bruges or whatever CF's best performance is up against any of MM's best roles.

my heart is def not a-flutter imagining colin farrell doing rust cohle monologues but a) wasn't exactly jonesing for Mateo to speak them either before he did and b) no reason to assume Colin would be asked to play a knock-off rust cohle anyway

I'd be down with Farrell as long as it's a McConaghey-like performance where everyone's going, "Wow, this is amazing, completely unlike any acting I've ever seen before from Colin Farrell!"

i will say if Farrell was being asked to replace Mateo as Rust Cohle in True Detective: Legacy I'd be unenthusiastic. And that's basically the situation William Friedkin would be in, respective to Fukunaga.

I don't think McConaghey's performance as Rust was unlike anything he'd done before, it was pretty close to his more recent roles in Mud, Killer Joe, etc.

Only know him from That 70s Show movie.

I polled his most recent stuff but can't find the thread bah

McCONAUGHSAINCE

Farrell would be fine, I'm sure. Much more worried about Riggins tbh.

the more i think about this the more TD needs at least one lead every season with CHEERS on the resume

george wendt

dan hedaya

Colin Farrell & Tim Riggins?

YES PLEASE

The New Sexy Adventures of True Detective

miami vice: the movie: the tv series

― balls, Saturday, 12 July 2014 00:06 Bookmark

biker gang meth head stash house shootout episode was already probably the most mannish non-mann thing ever, i'm fine w/ this

"You know, humans are things that labor under the illusion of having a self; an accretion of sensory, experience and feeling, programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody, when in fact everybody is nobody."

"Well if there's anybody who should be an expert on being a nobody, it's you, Cliff."

{LAUGH TRAK}

Cheers was filmed before a live studio audience >:(

See, the preacher, he encourages your capacity for illusion. Then he tells you it's a fucking virtue. Always a buck to be had doing that, and it's such a desperate sense of entitlement, isn't it?

I mean, touché.

Would watch if Farrell's sidekick was Rhea Perlman (as Carla Tortelli)

hopefully Wang Chung will replace T Bone Burnett

Also for the O Brother, Where Art Thou? miniseries.

for real...slash film will be reporting soon

Vince Vaughn & Colin Farrell

"You're drunk!"
"YOU'RE drunk."
*blood*
The end.

this cld be us but u playin

Οὖτις
Posted: July 11, 2014 at 11:02:35 PM
I won't watch anything with colin farrell in it, in case that wasn't clear

en bruges and miami vice are two of the finest films ever filmed (written to disc)

Eddie Murphy & Eddie Murphy (ii)

http://morningafter.gawker.com/nic-pizzolatto-is-a-schmuck-and-true-detective-will-suc-1617847916/+laceydonohue

Have they announced yet which authors will plagarized from in season 2?

Jk

the guy could well be a total d-bag but i'm not really following m@x there. what does that pull quote even mean? he's condescending people on wifi? wha?

yeah, that article could have used a few sentences of context. I think Nikki Pizza was responding to criticism about his female characters or something. Good to know he has a woman friend tho.

Have they announced yet which authors will plagarized from in season 2?

well it's set in California and presumably the subject is conspiracies so I'll assume Pynchon is the starting place right

he shd consider plagiarizing elmore leonard

there's already a prestigious television show that does that tho

there is no cap on that

i love justified but it def does not nail the leonard tone tho not sure its trying to

I'm hoping for plagiarism from

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51AABDKE5BL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

and

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51qLjirH1KL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-v3-big,TopRight,0,-55_SX278_SY278_PIkin4,BottomRight,1,22_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg

i hope Elliott Gould gets a role in this

better: Elliott Gould's cat from The Long Goodbye.

I'm sure Inherent Vice has that angle covered

it would be cool if the show got some older actors in the mix. i feel like Damages is a high water mark for modern cable drama casting, so many vets got to go on that show and do something unlike their previous roles and usually kill it.

crossover?

well it's set in California and presumably the subject is conspiracies so I'll assume Pynchon is the starting place right

think it's more likely to be riffing on Polanski's Chinatown, Ellroy's L.A. Quartet, Ross Macdonald's Lew Archer novels, or even Chandler tbh

and Who Framed Roger Rabbit!

and crash

I don't think it's totally crazy to throw TCoL49 in with that bunch and my understanding is Inherent Vice is playing with a similar sorta frame but I haven't gotten to it yet.

"Good to know he has a woman friend tho."

A woman friend who is the wife of T-Bone Burnett (who coincidently does the music for the show). Not sure this counts.

reportedly Justin Lin (Fast Five, Community's paintball episode) is in talks to direct the first two episodes.

While I consider myself a fan of Lin, and don't even hate the actors being batted around, this thing seems destined for the biggest backlash. I can't say I'm surprised they still want to call it True Detective, but I almost can.

like, unless the new directors go all-in imitating Fukunaga's style (and since he directed the entire series, it WAS his style), all that will carry over is a script by Enrico Polazzo and maybe a credit sequence full of sad cops and lady butts

feel like its kinda cool to get a different director as long as its someone good

don't get me wrong, i might watch a new HBO detective show with a pilot directed by lin or william friedkin starring vince vaughn and/or colin farrell. I just wouldn't hear that and assume "oh that's true detective season 2"

Has anyone caught Lin's non-f&f stuff?

I saw better luck tomorrow but that was in high school

I know he did some flick about the naval academy

I feel like if he was given a non action movie space to work in he could flex and come up with something good... And as good as helming the F&F franchise has been for him, it's certainly pigeonholed him

But yeah if he does this F&F style there will be a lot of lol's

feel like somehow people's personal distaste for NP has carried over into this idea that fukunaga is some master stylist who elevated boilerplate material. which strikes me as a big stretch. I don't want to parse credit, but I think they'll be fine without him. obv it's a whole new story/characters so there's a high risk of failure no matter what.

i got better luck tomorrow from netflix recently (as i said, i'm kind of a fan). Not without note but obvious juvenalia (endless narration, corny montage tricks) and def not gonna win cinematography awards at sundance like fukunaga's debut did

And if it's like any other TV show in the world, it has a boilerplate stylebook.

but that's the thing - it's not totally "like any other TV show in the world." Fukunaga directed every episode. It was basically a miniseries.

whether or not he's a "master stylist" isn't an issue so much as that he has style

and that the style was part of what made the show distinctive

oh def agree. he knocked it out of the park.

don't get me wrong, i might watch a new HBO detective show with a pilot directed by lin or william friedkin starring vince vaughn and/or colin farrell. I just wouldn't hear that and assume "oh that's true detective season 2"

― da croupier, Friday, September 5, 2014 3:36 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk most tv shows have many different directors over the course of a single season while visual cohesion is maintained, but it might be kind of cool to keep the writer and switch the director and actors up so theres still some continuity but it also has a self contained seasonal aspect

fukunagas style was a lil heavy hand imho

xps

I just mean the "NP is a lame pseud whose script was saved by great acting and directing" narrative strikes me as way off. (lame pseud stuff notwithstanding)

felt kinda "grunge music video" at times

obvs there was tons of super cool shit too

well that's why i said they might go whole hog on copying what fukunaga (and only fukunaga, as he directed the whole thing) did. but if they don't, and it not just looks different but has vince vaughn saying portentous shit next to a redwood, the chances of unpleasant tweet heat seem pretty high

I just mean the "NP is a lame pseud whose script was saved by great acting and directing" narrative strikes me as way off.

well yes if you cartoonishly overstate a pov it sounds cartoonish and overstated

NP obv has skills but c'mon he's getting shit for stealing from alan moore

maybe there wont even be a character that says deep shit all day long on the next one, i wld personally advise against it

just do a wise cracking guy instead

xps

Haha I dunno I feel like I've seen that exact argument somewhere! maybe gawker.

yeah no way he does a rust-like character again. but marty was so well written I have some faith.

yeah i don't envy NP. Whether or not he's hot literary shit or a pretentious pulp aggregator, at least novelists don't have to give each novel the same title.

have u guys seen this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoGGDKV88Fg

ha yes lmao

directed by the drive/pusher trilogy guy

god it's sad when washed up actors without access to classier, well-paying gigs have to whore themselves out like that

lol yup

Also half of TD's style just came from being set in the swampland of the south imo

wait I'm confused can someone tell me who directed the entire first season again?

steven king

oh god HBO so needs to give Steven King a pile of money to direct a full season of a show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggWS4tTzs60

lmao he directed that i had no idea

http://i.imgur.com/78v4tTz.png
http://i.imgur.com/1DcJAqs.png

lmao

more like Director (1 mic drop)

Let's see if this guy is back for season two.

Steven King directed a movie based on a Stephen King story?

is that weird?

i hope so

maybe it's weird that he chose to direct in the first place but i don't see what should stop an actual director from adapting their own work

writers adapt their own stories into screenplays all the time, if you can write and direct why not

is this some hubris faux pas i don't know about

oh is this about the name thing

i guess that's funny

great spelling joke

http://cinema.usc.edu/userfiles/A0127948311B99D1C02CF7783648D35EBD92E9B2images/Maximum%202.jpg

we're all very impressed

thank you, i live to impress

confirming speculation - http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/colin-farrell-confirms-that-hes-joining-the-cast-of-true-detective-20140921

hopefully he reprises his en bruges performance

and pairs up with Jamie Foxx

so around season 5 this is going to be Michael Cera and Kieran Cilkin, right

collateral jamie fox

Vince Vaughn also confirmed

well I'm not watching this

can't wait for s3 with Gerard Butler and Pauly Shore

Justin Lin confirmed to direct two episodes also. Excited to see how badly they can fuck this up

Yeah, I'm kind of okay with pretending S1 will forever be the only season.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByPNlRTIAAAVIeh.png:large

Velcoro and Semyon are at it again

Ray Velcro

Dunno about Farrell, but I love VV.

Vaughn's good w comedy but Russian criminal underboss is a hard sell I mean come on

"hey what should we call our new mob/cop drama with the director of Fast Five starring Colin Farrell and Vince Vaughn? something that will get people excited but not expect TOO much..."

"how about TRUE DETECTIVE SEASON 2?"

with taylor kitsch as the third male lead and some of the names they've got circling around the female lead (jessica biel, rosario dawson, malin akerman) it's possible every major actor in this thing will be someone with a losing streak at the box office

Farrell's been rly good in everything I've seen him in, idg why people would be appalled at this casting

(everything: Phone Booth, In Bruges, Horrible Bosses, Seven Psychopaths - even in the bad ones he's splendid. Vaughan has sleepwalked through plenty of turds, and McConaughey went about 15 years without bothering to engage with a script, so)

McConaughey went about 15 years without bothering to engage with a script, so

have you not been following the McConaissance

I've liked Colin Farrell in a lot of stuff and i'd love to see TV turn around his box office poison rep but they're making this season look like celebrity rehab

but yeah I hate Farrell, smug, terrible in everything, never made a movie I liked etc.

xp

Not surprising that it's set in LA then xp

re: McConaughey it's true he had a terrible streak, but TD was part of a pretty high profile re-setting of his career, it wasn't the first instance of his reestablishing his credibility but following Bernie, Magic Mike, Mud, etc. I was excited to see him in this

xp

mateo was two years into his comeback when this came out with his oscar winner in the can, it's not like he jumped in off the set of Fools Gold

have you not been following the McConaissance

yeah but as you say this was part of it. I didn't check the dates but let's call it Dazed -> Friedkin = wasteland

i mean hey if this show is a really wowser and upends the career trajectories of Vaughn, Farrell, Kitsch and Biel (or someone who competes with Biel for roles) AND gives Justin Lin a trophy I won't complain, I mean that's damn good tv

guessing the female restoration project will be one of the main actresses on roseanne

hoping it's metcalf

she's already got an HBO show!

hope its Roseanne then

i forgot about that! is it any good? i am not acting like the devoted laurie metcalf fan i should be

don't really have a problem w/ this casting tbh. Is there any reason to think it won't be Elizabeth Moss for the female lead?

i liked the lil bit of Metcalf's show i saw. daniel stern's her husband!

farrell's like clive owen (ostensibly charming british actor america just REFUSES to pay money to see) where classy cable may just be the thing for him, and its not kitsch's fault Savages, John Carter and Battleship came out the same year, but man oh man oh man oh man Vince Vaughn

does he even remember how to act

woops forgot colin's irish. My apologies!

i always mix them up

is Kitsch confirmed yet? Anyway he'll be fine as long as he sticks to glowering.

Laurie Metcalf not only has an HBO show already but she's also in a really, reeeeeally shitty looking CBS sitcom starting this fall.

anyway i see no reason to think season 2 would be any worse than 1 based on some casting announcements did anyone think it wouldn't be like this

i thought they'd cast ONE actor that has at least Woody Harrelson level thespian credibility with audiences

would take Clive Owen over Farrell any day

Ray Velcro is a weird name for a detective

y'know as a buffer from the fact that they're already going to be dealing with a new setting, new cast, etc etc

"ok i dunno if i care about this story but i like (actor of repute) vs "ok i dunno if i care about this story and why the fuck am i watching vince vaughn talk to colin farrell"

haven't seen Farrell in anything post-New World except for Gilliam's Dr Parnassus and Jordan's Ondine, but he's pretty skilled for such a gorgeous slab.

again this may well be the bee's knees and i'm sure hbo is grateful for every optimist who can't fathom why anyone would see this creative change-over as anything to raise hackles over

Woody Harrelson level thespian credibility with audiences

thesp game woody harrelson

oh i know

Harrelson is a pretty terrific actor compared to walking-dead hacks like Anthony Hopkins and Al Pacino

i'm a lot more down w/ casting farrell than vaughan

vince vaughan will be really interesting i think! he has this quickness. & that kinda unbeautiful frame thing, like intimidating bulk & but too sorta sloppy to be intimidating.

i guess i didn't think S1 was good enough to worry at all about S2

Morbz otm re: Woody

i guess i didn't think S1 was good enough to worry at all about S2

they should put comments like this in the ads

of all the Cheers cast I would not have guessed in the 80s that Woody would be the one with the longest/most interesting career

"I have no problem with any of these actors!"

"C'mon the first season was good but not like THAT good!"

"I'm sure it will be an entertaining enough hour of TV!"

have vaughan lose 100 lbs and slather him in spray tan and have him spew pothead philosophy out a window and he'll be perfect

lool croup who cares

we do we're on an internet forum talking about it

of all the Cheers cast I would not have guessed in the 80s that Woody would be the one with the longest/most interesting career

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:17 PM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he seemed so young and naive back then, just goes to show u i guess

we do we're on an internet forum talking about it

― da croupier, Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:19 PM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sry forgot HBO Presents True Detective: Lool Croup Who Cares

"I have no problem with any of these actors!"

"C'mon the first season was good but not like THAT good!"

"I'm sure it will be an entertaining enough hour of TV!"

― da croupier, Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:18 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

is this actually a turd detective superfan thread i'm sorry for not liking it that much!

true detective more like boo! defective

true detective more like tooth defective

if they title this season 2DETECTIVE I will watch in real time

2RUE DETECTIVE would also work

2 detectives (colin farell and vince vaughn)

True Detective Too: The Legend of Semyon's Gold

vince vaughn's character isn't a detective

thats what u think, but maybe investigate more

2 Detectives 1 Cult

there needs to be a wise-cracking street-smart orphan kid character in this

Two Detectives*: Who Did The Number Two?

*they try to figure out who went poo

Farrell perfectly capable of playing the standard "in over his head" noir gumshoe--no idea what he'll be playing tho of course. Never liked vaughn in anything so I hope the character something new for him.

i hope he has a boris & natasha thing with the female lead and then farrell & kitsch are moose & squirrel

vince vaughn's character isn't a detective

SPOILER: this season, everyone is a detective

True, Detective

True Detective VP

hmm Vince doing a Rust Cohle type part..

http://www.filmjabber.com/movie-blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/vince-vaughn-psycho.jpg

Both def in my top 5 actors I avoid. This is pretty depressing.

Farrell has been v good in a lot of things, no idea what people's beef is w/ him

yeah Farrell's great i think. loved him in Miami Vice and In Bruges and had no idea it was even the same guy til ages after.

No True Detective could be portrayed by vince vaughn

Untrue Detective

Colin Farrell looks I confused or startled badger. maybe an otter. definitely one of the Mustelidae. I have seen these movies and they were either terrible or he was terrible in them:

Minority Report
Daredevil
Alexander
The New World
The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus
Horrible Bosses
Cassandra's Dream

and looking over his resume dude just has awful taste in roles. Phone Booth, Seven Psychopaths, Saving Mr. Banks, the Fright Night remake, S.W.A.T. blech the guy is just gross on every level

I a confused or startled badger

that should say

Farrell has been v good in a lot of things, no idea what people's beef is w/ him

― Simon H., Tuesday, September 23, 2014 6:00 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well he's a shitty actor with a strong Mel Gibson vibe about him, for starters. And then there was the time my mom insisted on seeing that movie where he stands in a phone booth for two hours. Two hours. Maybe it was 90 minutes. Either way ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME???? I was so irate walking out of that movie theater.

preach it

I was inclined to keep this to a discussion of his work but yeah I must admit his reputation as a "cocky drunken Irish brawler" also makes me think he's more or less the South Park caricature of Russell Crowe: Irish Version

I a confused or startled badger

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:26 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

true

things Colin Farrell was good in, iirc:

The New World
Fright Night (steals the movie, actually)
Crazy Heart
Ondine
In Bruges

(never seen Miami Vice)

in bruges and miami vice both own very hard and even if he is a knit cap in warm weather with silver hoop earrings kind of guy i cant hold that against him, he prob has tribal tattoos idk

any actor can be good under the right circumstances so instead of rushing to judgement you all should say "i am going to go into this with an open mind and i hope it is good"

Farrell is good-ish in Tigerland IIRC

any actor can be good under the right circumstances so instead of rushing to judgement you all should say "i am going to go into this with an open mind and i hope it is good"

― lag∞n, Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:39 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Fine, Hitler.

Vince Vaughn needs to button that shirt.

Miami Vice and New World are very very good, but they're also the kind of films where any kind of 'acting' would just distract from the great pictures. But Farrell's blankness is definitely a huge plus in those conditions.

any actor can be good under the right circumstances so instead of rushing to judgement you all should say "i am going to go into this with an open mind and i hope it is good"

― lag∞n,

look at voters in 1980.

um ok alfred ill just take out my time travel binoculars over here...

Haven't seen much of his 00s work but I like him in Bruges/Psychopaths and he's recently been great a lot of thankless roles (saving mr banks, fright night, Crazy Heart). But for all the movies where his name is first in the credits, only Phone Booth and SWAT have anything close to a decent gross-to-budget ratio.

OK I'll bite: what's wrong with him in Minority Report? He made Tom Cruise look especially paunchy.

woops, sam jackson appears in the credits before colin in swat.

oh yeah minority report is obvs very cool too

and nobody except Woody's sister saw Cassandra's Dream.

Farrell's been sober for years. I've always heard that he's a pretty decent guy too

i don't think people would blink at the announcement that colin and taylor kitsch were gonna be on the billboards, it's vince vaughn as a mob guy trying to go straight that's the dare

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/601/113/1113601.gif http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b91/primate1/cf.gif

already better than S1

You guys are forgetting Elf. Stoked for this.

I'm withholding all my Two Minute Hate for the eventual mishandling of the Occult California/Water: Blue Blood of the Earth plot.

i think it's easy to put mcconaughey's performance in a broader context now that the dust has settled, but TD season 1 was a departure for him even considering the rest of the work around it these last couple years, and the same can be said of harrelson. the show certainly isn't without its faults (maybe fewer pornily graphic sex scenes pls) and the lack of fukunaga is, i think, a bigger deal than who ends up acting in season 2. this show is either going to be excellent or unwatchable, and i'm holding out hope.

McC had already shown some of these smarts in a little seen but not bad movie called The Lincoln Lawyer, in which he showed he was good at thinking on his feet. I'm not sure why it's a surprise he can be good. Most actors are decent when given decent material. Why else are they pros?

cuz pretty

http://www.vulture.com/2014/09/true-detective-vince-vaughn-colin-farrell-season-two.html

alright so here's what i think is gonna happen. vince vaughn is essentially going to reprise his role from classic google comedy the internship. colin farrell will be the owen wilson character, but more the owen wilson character from wedding crashers. sara gilbert will be playing the vince vaughn character from wedding crashers.

http://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/pizzolatto__140124231219.jpg : http://www.flixist.com/ul/211558-Vince_Vaughn.jpg imo

and the same can be said of harrelson.

I just saw No Country for Old MEn and I gotta disagree with you there

Colin Farrell is about as far from knit caps as it gets

also he's great and ur fools

Harrelson got a second Oscar nod four years ago; he was doing fine without TD.

I had a smoke with Colin Farrell outside a building I was working in once some years ago - (they do a lot of TV and film post production) . I told him I liked "Alexander" and he looked at me like I was taking the piss. "Really!" I said and he thanked me. Nice dude. Sized up every woman in the elevator on the way back up.

colin farrell is good in cassandra's dream

Colin Farrell is about as far from knit caps as it gets

― zero content albums (darraghmac), Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:01 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://i.imgur.com/RfZzKFt.png

I just saw No Country for Old MEn and I gotta disagree with you there

― 龜, Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:45 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

best movie

I predicted that XP and I predicted the poster

but what I'm saying is despite wearing an aul knit cap in winter or w/e the knit cap is hardly encapsulatory of c Farrell the person imo

um he wears a knit cap in summer note the tee

his personal style is very knit cap in summer but i dont think hes a bad person he seem pretty chill tbh

http://i.imgur.com/WgMjWzb.jpg

tattoo is not standard tribal but it has tribal aspects

idk can u judge what 'summer' or 'winter' are to an Irishman nor indeed how they might intersect with 'what will I wear when I'm out amongst the yanks' the man is badly shook IMO and not to be judged on the above incriminating snapshot

The large tattoo covering the larger part of his upper right arm is “just a tribal design from Tahiti” that he got while holidaying there

he is def a badly shook individual prob why he inhabited the in bruges role so completely

ha its tribal but not tribal

Nice dude. Sized up every woman in the elevator on the way back up.

^ Well, yeah.

Rachel McAdams is said to be locking down a lead role in season 2 of HBO’s “True Detective.”

Sources tell Variety HBO has offered McAdams the part opposite Colin Farrell and Vince Vaughn. Taylor Kitsch is expected to land the role of the fourth lead.

Though HBO recently announced Farrell and Vaughn as the show’s leads, sources say fans could have a similar response to the female lead as they did to Matthew McConaughey’s part as Rust Cohle in season 1.

Several other actresses have been considered for the part, including Jessica Biel and Malin Akerman, but McAdams has been seen as the front-runner for the past few weeks. HBO could not immediately be reached for comment.

It came down to scheduling, as insiders tell Variety McAdams was about to start filming “Spotlight,” the drama revolving around the Catholic Church sex scandal uncovered by the Boston Globe, and it was unknown whether dates could be worked out for McAdams to do that film and “True Detective.” Sources say that in the past 24 hours, a deal was worked out where the actress could do both projects.

between sherlock holmes 2 and the vow she's had bigger hits this decade than any of the other guys

the phone booth movie is part of the phone thriller trilogy by the unfuckwithable larry cohen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Cohen

excellent article abt him behind the nyer paywall http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2004/02/02/the-survivor-3

instead of writing he dictates his scripts into a device while wandering around his house

Lol had no idea that was his script, love larry cohen

Q was like the craziest weirdest movie I saw when I was a kid.

Q is great. God Told Me To is awesome too.

The Stuff is my favorite. Also It's Alive 3: The Island of the Alive.

The Invaders has some incredibly messed up moments too.

tim riggins of mars is IN as paul woodrugh - 'a handsome, 28-year-old military veteran who has seen his own share of violence and destruction.'

he was the bomb in FNL. Ilx is full of pre-haters for season 2 but i think it has a chance

cool i love martians

paul woodruffsmash

gonna really hafta stretch his acting chops to play handsome

FINALLY the world will soon know the glory of tim riggins & you will all finally understand why i never ever shut up about him

took me a while to learn this wasn't jacob from twilight

important first step

On FNL whenever they talked about the Riggins Boys I expected the next words to be "and Gruber"

Rick Springfield ✔ @rickspringfield
Just finished my 1st day of shooting for season 2 of HBO's True Detective. What a great script. Working w/ Colin Farrell & Rachel McAdams!

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/true-detective-season-2-details-vince-vaughn-1201432314/

here we go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OfU7CGY5DQ&feature=youtu.be

Even without dialogue, I still hate the idea of Vince Vaughn being in this.

that teaser is 100% composed of white ppl, including the extras

I really really enjoyed the first season, but find the prospect of a second a bit of a chore, and the trailer isn't helping. Will watch though.

lots of moody god's eye view shots of southern california = looks pretty fucking good to me.

i'm an unreconstructed sucker for pulpy crime shit and this looks exactly like that, although i'm sure it will have all of the same thinkpiece-inspiring problems bc nic pizzolatto does not exactly seem inclined toward growth (that said, mcadams appearing to be just as involved in the main action is a start, at least)

*just as involved as the brooding men

lots of mustache = looks pretty fucking good to me

Nice digital camerawork, too.

Forget it, Jake. It's the psychosphere.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCK1cisUsAAXAZX.png

http://i.imgur.com/ECtcp4c.png

coming 2 arrest the premium television anti-hero cliche

It's like Michael Mann's The Shield.

that sounds really good

is that Rick Springfield

it is!

that teaser is 100% composed of white ppl, including the extras

I assume this is set in the near future when the LAPD has finally exterminated all minorities

the guy in the mask look scary

is that one of the main players? could only be Kitsch, i guess, but too burly seeming.

http://i.imgur.com/bKYnQK9.png

jeez dont worry i wasnt going to say anything

ew even got weird eye things for added creep

I couldn't even make it all the way through the trailer

regarding non-whites, while i agree diversity is desirable i think NP's muse is and always will be fucked up white people.

maybe he should set his stuff in idk Finland or something then

tbf there are lots of fucked up wites in LA.

so far he seems to excel at creepy crimes which white dudes are known to hold the record for

maybe he should set his stuff in idk Finland or something then

― Οὖτις, Thursday, April 9, 2015 2:38 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

by that rationale matt weiner and david chase shouldve done the same! weiner has the (legit but convenient) excuse of it being period-accurate, david chase, aaaahhhhhh, eeeehhrrrmmmmm...but whatever.

pizzolato's problems are way more woman-related than anything else. if the show proves me wrong sure i'll eat the attendant crow but i don't expect him to totally witewash socal the way that say, lena dunham witewashes brooklyn.

Chase and weiner's shows both featured minorities

So, no

Agree p-zone is awful w women

so did the first season of true detective! we can debate about prominence of role, which yea is a problem but thats a problem of almost all tv, and it won't be rectified anytime soon aside from maybe by empire, and the success of that show is a major step in the right direction.

for the record, whenever black people showed up on the sopranos they were complete and utter stereotypes barring your one example of a rapper with a degree in urban planning in season 1, which was actually interesting. tbf that matched up with the view most of chase's italian north jersey characters had of black ppl, cant speak to chase's own.

as far as mad men goes they are not prominent at all, which again, is period accurate sadly, but pleeeeeaaassse don't even try to say matt weiner is a paragon of diversity representation or progressiveness just because pete campbell said IT'S A SHAMEFUL SHAMEFUL DAY in season 6 during the MLK assassination episode

imo its okay to have a show with only brooding white men like for instance who is more conflicted than a white man nobody i shd know i am one

catholics AND protestants

xp lol

It's like Michael Mann's The Shield.

Would absolutely watch that. (Though, as long as we're ticking boxes, The Shield and most of Mann's movies had lots of prominent minority characters in non-villain/monster roles.)

Marty's series of booty calls was a little one dimensional but the wife character (can't remember her name, lol) was fine until they seemed to not know what to do with her for the final 2 eps. though there's a dignity in her getting away from all that.

yeah mann always had diverse casts & its one of the many reasons why he's kinda the platonic ideal of modern crime filmmaking (still seems to, altho im prob not gonna see blackhat and find out)

(xp)

for the record, whenever black people showed up on the sopranos they were complete and utter stereotypes barring your one example of a rapper with a degree in urban planning in season 1, which was actually interesting. tbf that matched up with the view most of chase's italian north jersey characters had of black ppl, cant speak to chase's own.

I don't really disagree about the portrayal of black people in Sopranos that you lay out, but wasn't aware we were speaking strictly of black people

we weren't. but i can't even recall latino characters having ANY significant roles!

AJ's puerto rican girlfriend, Hesh, arab guys show up for a few episodes (not as a v significant characters tbh), I'm probably forgetting some others

Blanca! forgot her name

ah and of course the half-black/half-Jewish boyfriend, he was a good character

which gave us this awesome scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPLduQIZFzQ

Junior's asian sidekick in the resthome

as for Mad Men, I agree they have not given minority characters a lot of time (outside of Ginsberg), but they have made a point (repeatedly) of showing how exclusionary the world of the main characters is - whether it's Roger in blackface, Dawn/Shirley's interactions and experiences, or the Drapers' shitty treatment of Carla

The way they ended S01 makes me think of the whole damn enterprise as a fluke. Will check S02 out tho, obv.

there was the old civil rights/union organizer in Sopranos too (and his son, iirc?) that was a good couple of episodes

xxp

and Lord Jamaar and Treach in the hospital

sorry we can take this discussion to another thread but now the more I think about it the more I think slothroprhymes dismissal of Sopranos is totally wrong

I love shake's cap'n save-a-soprano act

Strangely intrigued as to what Vince Vaughn will do with this. Otherwise... yea ok

r there going to be more eps this time

not a lot of eps last time around

i like the sopranos just fine, shakey, but it has race-related probs that are common among many prestige shows, which obviously is the main prob. never thought of hesh as a minority character but having grown up mostly in north jersey i can confirm that a significant number of the dudes that show portrays would think that. ginsberg for his era & in the WASPy wite advertising world would be as well.

anyway, for all of true d's (many!) problems, race is not one of them re ially. the two most prominent black characters (michael potts and tory kittles) receive top billing alongside mcconaughey, harrelson and monaghan) are A. cops & not particularly stereotypical ones and B. markedly more well-adjusted than the brooding wite leads!

the ideal world would give those two characters their own show, & hopefully the success of stuff like empire and how to get away with murder points toward the right direction for that to happen.

xp i believe it'll be 8 once again

xp to self: *really.

this looks as good as an equiv wordless trailer of the first seas would have looked at the time. still pumped.

I don't think anyone was saying the show had a problem with race in season one. When I pointed out the lack of people of color in the teaser i should have included "and it is set in contemporary Los Angeles." That's not what LA looks like. (Tho perhaps it does in the world of ~detectives~)

r there going to be more eps this time

― lag∞n, Thursday, April 9, 2015 3:51 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark

The public wants more detection

los blancoles more like

i thought shakey was being a bit reductive w/ the "set stuff in finland" joke, clay your initial statement re: the trailer was p accurate

tbrr as a result of nic pizz's issues w/ writing women or honestly anyone who isn't a brooding wite who has secrets i now feel kind of awful for having defended him on any point, like he devises intriguing noir plots & his lines can sing when they dont clunk (it's basically a tossup as to which will happen) but seems like a not good person otherwise

remember when he m/l plagiarized a shit ton of lines too man I forgot how much I h8 this guy

this seems like a good place to drop in a PSA for people to watch banshee, btw

I love Farrell, he's so wounded I want to take care of him

ya i like him too en bruges is my fav movie

Cosign

I'm a New World apologist too but I get why ppl wouldn't like it

Also I'm a fiend for mojitos

Nice digital camerawork, too.
― with HD lyrics (Eazy), Thursday, April 9, 2015 6:43 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Season 1 was shot on 35mm, which was nice

tbrr as a result of nic pizz's issues w/ writing women or honestly anyone who isn't a brooding wite who has secrets i now feel kind of awful for having defended him on any point, like he devises intriguing noir plots & his lines can sing when they dont clunk (it's basically a tossup as to which will happen) but seems like a not good person otherwise

― slothroprhymes, Thursday, April 9, 2015 4:15 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

iirc max is responsible for your opinion/the meme that pizz is a Bad Person http://morningafter.gawker.com/nic-pizzolatto-is-a-schmuck-and-true-detective-will-suc-1617847916 seems like it was just 'slow day at the office' or something

like he seems like a totally normal dude

Also I'm a fiend for mojitos

― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, April 9, 2015 8:16 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

same

xxp I actually don't think he's a plagiarist, that wasn't what I was referring to. more the way he comes off in certain interviews (the infamous "branzino lunch" one and bitching about his critics in a lame way in another

it does not surprise me tho that max read wrote a pisstake article out of boredom/quotas if that is indeed the case, I mean denton has v specific goals for pageview totals it must be stressful sometimes

"not a good person" may have been a strong description

he just seems like a self-serious dbag

is being mad at the guy as a guy part of the social justice analyst package or can u get it a la carte

lol

it should be a la carte but if you write for the internets it is prob required for optimal thinkpiece production

he just seems like a self-serious dbag

― call all destroyer, Thursday, April 9, 2015 8:42 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

does he though? the one interview i read he just seemed like a normal guy stoked to be making a tv show

i dunno about "dbag" but can you realistically make popular (or even unpopular) entertainment in mass media without having extended periods of being tremendously self-serious? your ideas are being realized at the cost of millions of dollars and thousands of man hours, that's pretty serious.

lol i'm not invested in this one way or another but the stuff i've read w/him has not made me think "cool guy" is all i'm saying.

His name sounds like a giant pizza haha =]

i love pizza

i love pizzajitos

his statements about his upbringing in Louisiana makes it seem like he comes by his self-seriousness pretty honestly. in any case, he just strikes me as a bit clumsy in managing his media persona. probably didn't occur to him that citing Faulkner etc as an influence is to invite mockery.

part of why I was charmed by TD is that its "pretentiousness" (if you want to call it that) seemed so unguarded and earnest in some ways (though he's always careful to ground things in Marty's hilarious reactions to Rust). i guess in that sense it's the opposite of pretentious--these are ideas and feelings he was really invested in!

I will always have time for earnest nihilists

and I think that's what people are getting at with the "dorm room philosophy" jibes--as if they're made uncomfortable by that earnestness. too bad for them, I guess.

xpost: me too!

some boobs always helps seal the deal

i know its dumb but i hate it when my illusion of ilx as a sort of sophisticated place is shattered. there is no 'blog quota' and b/c i am an editor i only write things when i want to. 'slow news day'! sheesh. pizzolatto comes across like a schmuck in that thr article and i stand by every word in my post. max out.

Doug Bonar ‏@BonarDoug 9m9 minutes ago
@Gawker gawker

well i guess max has fulfilled his lying to ilx quota for the day smh

maybe he should set his stuff in idk Finland or something then

― Οὖτις, Thursday, April 9, 2015 1:38 PM (Yesterday)

would be cool if it was set in like 1970's Helsinki or something

― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:28 PM (1 year ago)

:)

4real does being a "sort of sophisticated place" mean being hyper-acutely aware of the way in which a web gossip news org (which i enjoy, much love, but c'mon) manages its editorial process and publishing schedule in the day to day. i know y'all are into radical transparency with regards to how and why things are published but for people to be sophisticated do they actually have to _care_?

I mean pretty much everything Nick P has ever said in public makes him seem like a pretentious douche. That's beyond dispute

we should all be very worried...for season two, which isn't set in Louisiana but rather in L.A. Pizzolatto's leather-jacket philosophizing spoken by...Vince Vaughn and Colin Farrell? In Los Angeles? A show about two brooding, masculine detectives in Los Angeles. Talk about disruption.

yup. even season 1 abandoned what made it unique and unravelled into cliche, pizzolato doesn't have enough critical distance from the characters he creates. Rust basically transforms into batman around the halfway mark. mcconaughey's ego can't resist the hero worship of the script and what was up to that some convincing method acting disappears for four episodes of A-lister camera posing.

s1 would have been so much more interesting if it was about Rust bringing Marty over to the dark side instead of the watery redemption story it farted out instead.

goddamnit guy
Max do you still think I'm sophisticated?

I didn't say anything bad about your blog

haha i should remember to just shut up about my job here.i think everyone is v sophisticated

http://i.imgur.com/xuL8tat.png

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2014-01/enhanced/webdr06/22/2/anigif_enhanced-buzz-30170-1390376576-5.gif

Judging from the trailer, what we know about the season's plot from the initial press release, and the filming locations that they've been to, I think it's going to be set partially in Norther California, for the scary rural white people setting of the show, to repeat what rural Louisiana could do in season one, and then they seem set to go to the San Fernando Valley (they filmed near Ventura Blvd and Studio City a little bit) for their LA proper section, and I think that's where Vince Vaughn will come into play.

The trailer opens on the 14/5 interchange that takes you out of Los Angeles County and to either Palmdale or Bakersfield, and further than that to Central and Northern California, but that opening shot is a hint that the division between big city California and its rural and poorer counterpart will be a theme. That some parts of California are poor because some parts of it are rich, with transportation being for this story what California water was for "Chinatown" (this theme was alluded to in the press release from a year ago, so we're just connecting the trailer to that).

And visually I'm guessing a cross between Vince Vaughn playing the kind of scumbag that would've been in "Magnolia", and Colin Ferrell driving in the same parts of town, and in the same moral atmosphere, that Ryan Gosling explores in "Drive," or that's featured in the show Justified, which is supposed to be Kentucky but is actually filmed in Green Valley, south of Palmdale.

Vince Vaughn obsessively caring for a one story Sherman Oaks home, and then cutting back to Colin Ferrell in a cowboy motel an hour north, packing and unpacking an old school briefcase over and over again.

That'll be the show.

True Fact: All of Season 1 was filmed in and around Acton, Ontario.

Here's where they run across Green Ears for the first time.

are you frigging serious?!

ok. you almost had me there.

pp is fulla beans tonight

if an ilxor posts about burritos but no one hears it...

http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/i/2015/04/22/gif_1.gif

wow rude

xp poster otm

hope they manage e-ink billboards with that gif; that is a world i deserve

Great Gif! Karl Malone to thread...

love it.

yeah that's a great poster

Jeez, tell that to a Syrian cobbler.

http://i.imgur.com/xMDTqOE.gif

oboy more nihilism

those posters are borderline satirical lol

not that nihilistic, really. closer to moralistic!

eh the implication is clearly: a) things are bad and b) we deserve it

they are and we do

We Get The World We Deserve

A Television Show Featuring Vince Vaughn and Colin Farrell.

lol

http://i.imgflip.com/kj307.jpg

http://img2-1.timeinc.net/people/i/2014/news/141006/vince-vaughn-1024.jpg

CHOOSE THE FORM OF YOUR DESTRUCTOR

We Get The Show We Deserve amirite

eh the implication is clearly: a) things are bad and b) we deserve it

nihilists, so judgey

its all a circle, a flat one

We Get The Marriage We Deserve

...with Dr. Phil

After a certain age, every man has the world he deserves.

We're the generation that bought more shoes

And what we deserve is... cool intricate highway interchanges!

they are and we do

― Punny Names (latebloomer), Wednesday, April 22, 2015 4:46 PM (5 hours ago)

otm

http://www.businessinsider.com/kamala-harris-aide-accused-of-running-an-occult-police-force-2015-5

big grant morrison fans no doubt

http://www.hollywood-elsewhere.com/images/column/maybe15/xtruevaughn460.jpg.pagespeed.ic.1lyE6JgXVJ.jpg

looks like a true religion X hipstamatic collaboration

watching the trailer again last nite i was struck by the thought of how cool it would be if S2 had no dialogue at all

well, nobody's tried that for a series before

more like we get the demotion to prestige cable we deserve

Alexander! Fred Claus! The Time Traveller's Wife! John Carter!

Together they are....ready to take tv meetings

blatant farrell slander, unacceptable

tbf kitsch came from TV i don't think he really minds

oh i'm sure all of them are kissing the ground in gratitude

even mcadams - who's got the least turkeys (poor kitsch got slaughtered with john carter and battleship right out the gate), could use a juicy prestige role to get her out of romcomland

to be clear, i like farrell but damn america has been very, VERY consistent in having no interest in seeing a movie with his name first in the credits. and vaughn's been in freefall over the last decade.

in terms of gross/budget ratio, the only movie with Colin Farrell first in the credits to be even remotely a hit is Phone Booth, which is hilarious. I guess I we just don't like seeing him talk to other people.

runner-up is In Bruges, which tbf did quite well outside the US

and is great. i like him!

in bruges is the best, basically the key with farrell is he either has to speak in his natural accent (bruges) or not be /the/ star of something (crazy heart, that fright night remake, seven psychopaths, intermission, ondine)

yeah see crazy heart did well but fright night, seven psychopaths, intermission and ondine all tanked (again, in terms of gross-to-budget - just as a very sloppy shorthand you'd probably want the global gross to be more than 2.5 times the budget to really call it a hit, so for instance even though his total recall brought in 200m, only about half of that goes to the studio, which spent 125m to make it, not even counting the money spent on advertising). so basically the chance to drink a little of what mcconaughey's been having is a godsend to him and vaughn.

MacAdams is about to be one of the two female romantic prospects in the new Cameron Crowe movie, which looks like a real piece of shit but stars Bradley Cooper and Bill Murray so will probably be a reasonable-sized hit.

as i said, she's doing the best of the bunch by far. She'll be able to do post-notebook shit like About Time and The Vow for years. She just hasn't had a hit outside that wheelhouse since Red Eye.

Sherlock Holmes?

i'm talking movies where you're top of the line, on the poster, etc

though again, yeah, she's doing the best of the bunch. the other three have serious albatrosses around their necks - she's just hitting ceilings

and before someone quibbles that kitsch is young, that john carter was actually quite good, whatever, i'm not saying he should be shot behind the barn, i'm saying all four are thirsty enough that WE GET THE WORLD WE DESERVE is a funny thing to put over their names

also i stopped being dubious about this thing doing well as soon as the masked guy shushed me, it's gonna do great

tim riggins will be great, just you wait

I WILL BE VINDICATED

Farrell was the best thing about Crazy Heart by miles but iirc he wasn't even on the poster.

tim riggins will be great, just you wait

I WILL BE VINDICATED
--difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl)

he's already been great but it's become unhip to say that savages is kind of a great movie aside from its sudden stupid ending

also dope in lone survivor tbh regardless of that movie's other problems

i just meant he will be great in this :)

oh yeah, definitely

if some of the synopses about his character in TD parte deux: the truer california version are to be believed it is gonna be v rough to watch some of the stuff he ends up doing tho

HBO: Earlier last year, you said that this season was about ‘Bad men, hard women and the secret occult history of the U.S. transportation system.’ Is that still true?

Nick P.: It’s not, I’m afraid. There’s definitely bad men and hard women, but no secret occult history of the U.S. transportation system. That was a comment from very early in the process, and something I ended up discarding in favor of closer character work and a more grounded crime story. The complexity of the historical conspiracy first conceived detracted from the characters and their reality, I felt, and those characters are ultimately what have to shape the world and story. So I moved away from that.

https://medium.com/@TrueDetective/q-a-with-true-detective-creator-and-showrunner-nic-pizzolatto-8cc72b62c1a

aww :(

i mean the guy did say we should be reading faulkner instead of books about the yellow king, wise of him to avoid leading us back to the ooky-spooky corner of the bookstore again

good to hear dude is abandoning occult storylines pre-production now as opposed to mid-season

otm

lol otm

aw i was looking forward to more conspiracy stuff but ok.

im guessing there will be conspiracies aplenty but in a james ellroy/chinatown fashion, but probably not suggestions of the existence of supernatural realms and creatures

pizzolatto clearly aware the supernatural beauty of tim riggins of mars is all the occult wonder he needs

aww :(

― bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:53 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

same

haha the weirdo occult veneer was the only thing that made true detective at all enjoyable, what a ball sack that dude is

Yup

cable showrunners have never before been fairly unpleasant people right

I have no opinion about him as a person, just that he doesn't seem to actually have a clue what works/made the first season appealing

(and there wasn't plenty wrong w the first season too fwiw)

i didnt think the occult stuff in the first season was necessarily essential or even always well done, the crime scenes looked like some 90s music video, but the occult, transportation and secrets are amongst my interests so id be willing to give it a shot

his one novel is an organized crime story with some modern western vibes, in some ways i like it a bit better than true detective - i figured he wanted to get back to those vibes to some extent, maybe

the occult is never not interesting though, obviously, i get why it served as one of the first season's primary hooks for a lot of people

as much as i love it, there's a lot about the first season that screams "i need this screenplay to get picked up." it's a veritable grab bag of cliches and tropes that people are familiar with--and i loved the show precisely for the crazy places it took all that stuff, even as it circled back to a conventional sort of ending. (which, again, i liked a lot more than most people)

he obviously has a pretty strict sense of his writing process (start with characters and build around them and add nothing extraneous to that characterization). just so happens in season one he had a whale of a character to bring in all kinds of other fun stuff.

i mean, if i had written a character cutting cans of lone star beer into little people while monologuing beautifully on the futility of existence i think i'd be pretty happy with my place in the history of literature.

the coolest part of that scene was how it was all an act where it used to be his personality

history of literature is a flat circle

books r flat circles

season one pitch: "what if thomas ligotti was a homicide detective?"

start with characters and build around them and add nothing extraneous to that characterization

yeah, very true - he openly said that the story was just those two characters and everything else was secondary or tertiary, which while honest is not exactly the best way to construct a televised story, lot of things needed to be more well-rounded/fleshed out than they were

new trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4uxGbhO4ag

These detectives today sure are philosophical!

truly

whoa whoa whoa

that broad stuck a knife into that practice dummy. you know she's going to be TOUGH.

wonder if she'll get the chance to duplicate those sparring moves on a REAL enemy.

sometimes your worst self is your best self

http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1329325124l/12007737.jpg

I deserve the merits I warrant.

s3 shd be all sunny corporate self improvement philosophy

but delivered in very dark gnarly tones

*batman voice* When you believe in yourself you have found the first secret to success.

*drives slowly down gritty urban street populated by prostitutes and drug dealers* i saw this ted talk once...

v down with this especially rachel mcadams murking a dummy with a spyderco knife

man i'm getting worried about true detective :/

in what way - not digging the sleazy cali noir/chinatown vibes?

I don't know like the setting, the cast, etc in theory but I'm getting some bad vibe from the trailer

it seems kinda hard to screw up the formula, really. season one took things in far weirder places than i expected and this one is perhaps less ambitious?

wouldnt sweat the trailer they are always garbage portentous non sequitur nonsense.

I think that a more traditional noir plot might not be a bad thing though. but we'll see

i think its pretty easy to screw up the formula! some significant portion of the stuff i liked about the last season was harrelson, mcconaughey, and fukunaga--without those guys idk that pizzolatto can lift his worst tendencies up

oh absolutely you can fuck up the LA noir formula, neo or otherwise (gangster squad, anybody? street kings?). but that said, his other most notable work, his novel galveston, actually succeeds well by being a nihilistic crime story w/o any weird or occult stuff. also I feel just as good about farrell mcadams and kitsch as I did about mcconaughey and harrelson, just for different reasons. (vaughn is a total coin flip.)

if it does crash and burn tho I'll absolutely eat my words.

I hope you are right! I want to believe

oh you guys are probably right, but if "formula" is taken more restrictively to be a somewhat naturalistic la noir then you'd have to take some significant risks within that framework to totally turn me off. i was prepared for the first season to be a bog standard serial killer southern gothic--which i suppose it was, just to the nth degree--but i was totally on board with that initial proposition. on the other hand NP may be that type of writer whose worst tendencies are also his best so maybe it's gonna be another high wire act.

whose worst tendencies are also his best

:)

balls

http://www.thewrap.com/cary-fukunaga-out-as-director-of-stephen-kings-it-at-new-line-exclusive/

boo

ftr his jane eyre is pretty great to look at
movie itself not the best but dude is so good at "psychological landscape"

you know what this world really needs is another adaptation of It

teens boning in the sewer is a tragically underdeveloped genre

i know this was about budget but i like to imagine he just now got to the end of the book

"ok they're lost...hmmm....king, why are you showing me this? WHY ARE YOU SHOWING ME THIS? AHHHHHHHHH"

A friend didn't believe me about the sewer scene and I found this stunning description:
"Because King didn't wish this to be viewed as a lewd scene, the narrative explicitly states that the act of intimacy with each of the boys' helps to further strengthen their friendship; and Beverly only experiences orgasm while having intercourse with Bill Denbrough and Ben Hanscom."

YES THAT DEFINITELY MAKES IT LESS LEWD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFC3ec1tI0Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYBMqqKYq78

Well, at worst it's going to be great with the sound off.

message i am getting is that lighting things on fire is very important

No mustache on Colin Farrell for a sec, so maybe they will get to party like it's 2003 for a minute.

early word is...not good

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/true-detective-season-2-tv-802085

That review basically describes the last four/five episodes of the first season too.

^ those last episodes were very cursory and squandered, for me anyway, an awful lot of the excellence in the first half. That first half felt like an investigation into the nature of Rust Cohle's character/being, and by extension those testifying about him and the society they were in. All this took place in an environment and systemic political, social and cosmic antipathy or opposition, and a superbly conveyed occult unease. But the resolution was half-baked, tangential even, with blank, Kafkaesque interrogators-of-soul Kittles and Potts suddenly absent other than as flat-footed bureaucratic cops, and deus ex machina saviours at the end, and that structural or systemic opposition mainly resolved in terms of a sexual wacko with tenuous family connections.

i don't hold out much hope for Season 2 because that cosmic and occult unease was so central for me. will be watching the hell out of it anyway.

that review doesn't sound that bad tbh other than the critique of some of the lines, which do look silly on paper...but I mean have people looked at rust's monologues on paper anytime recently

it sounds quite ellroyish based on those descriptions so I'm all in

i wish i had half the confidence in farrell or vaughn that i do/did in mcconaughey or harrelson

they sounded pretty silly out loud too

Sounds like Deadwood -> John from Cincinnati, either in the expectations or the zero -> infinity rise in expectations.

er, either in the execution or the viewers' zero -> infinity rise in expectations.

matt zoller seitz of nymag/vulture had a much more positive take, he's generally a critic i trust (great mad men, americans, justified reviews) http://www.vulture.com/2015/06/review-true-detective-season-2.html?mid=twitter_vulture

i wish i had half the confidence in farrell or vaughn that i do/did in mcconaughey or harrelson

― max, Friday, June 12, 2015 8:49 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i kinda love farrell (in bruges, crazy heart, 7 psychopaths, miami vice [yea u heard me]) but i fully understand why ppl are like "uhhhh"

interestingly, seitz says vaughn is the most interesting actor of the bunch!

Farrell plays Ray Velcoro, a troubled detective (we are reminded of this a lot) whose wife (Spencer) was trying to get pregnant before being beaten and raped. Although the couple had a child nine months later, they never had a paternity test.

rmde @ this as a plot device

Yeah. Still planning to watch this tho.

Ray "Rip" Velcoro

lol

wtf

There were reports of discord between Pizzolatto and Fukunaga last season, and one of the new episodes features a visit to a film set with an Asian-American director styled to resemble Fukunaga, in a manner meant to be unflattering to one man, but which reflects more poorly on the other.

http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-has-true-detective-fallen-victim-to-the-sophomore-slump

lmao

"I'll come back and (violent sexual act) your (male loved one) with your (female loved one)'s headless corpse on your lawn."

worst MadLib ever

i thought i heard Fukunaga was a producer on this season.

advance reviews not being v kind to this

still gonna watch it what can i say im weak and hbo has this hold on me

rachel mcadams looks hot and angry in this

grantland gave a pretty positive review, prefaced with some dislike of the first season.

in any case I think I know what to expect, and my tolerance for that sort of thing is really high so I'll probably like it.

i think i only want to see the scene with the fukunaga doppelganger and no other scene

this being bad would not make me dislike this

still feel like a lot of critics fundamentally misunderstand what made the first season great (none of the things that would slot it into typical prestige television for one) but I need to shut up about it.

I am super excited to watch this show crash and burn, don't like that nick pizza fella one bit

interesting point from a mixed review of the new season

I'm not a person who ever had much of a problem with True Detective's self-seriousness; I'd take it any day over the winking camp of a Ryan Murphy show. There is a sincerity to Pizzolatto's writing that is admirable even when it's kind of dumb. And when the first hint of real Carcosa-esque weirdness does eventually rear its head, I sat up immediately. That wouldn't work on a show that wasn't as committed to its cause, no matter how humorless and nihilistic.

http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/19/8813001/true-detective-season-two-review-nic-pizzolatto-hbo

Sad cops sad cops
Whatchagonna do

farrell is on 100 thousand trillion

its totally cop goth

which one is the true detective, it is farrell right?

don't just go by the mustache sterl you know mustaches are tricky

is there a mustache ceremony when they pick the true detective

No spoilers please sheesh

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Got into this, and wasn't a fan of season one. Pretty low on the pretentious scale. Didn't feel like philosophy/artiness/etc pushed into the story; felt organic.

Best line was Vince Vaughn's "You're supposed to savor that stuff" or words to that effect.

Twitter points out that all of the women are introduced in their underwear. But hey, that's the genre.

underwear detective

bikini inspector

need a ryan co-sign before i commit myself

Twitter points out that all of the women are introduced in their underwear.

Kelly Reilly is first seen wearing a full-length robe. And her character is quite obviously Vince Vaughn's equal partner.

I liked it. It's a cop show - not as good as some, but better than most. I'm in for at least one more episode, maybe two. Then I have to decide whether to renew my HBO Now subscription for another month.

Yeah--can't you see she's wearing a ROBE?

this was ok, but im having a little trouble with Vaughn. It's fine for a first episode, but I can see where some of the negative reviews are coming from if the next two are similar. Really liked the last third, where exposition gave way to dread.

Did I mishear or did the Taylor Kitsch character mention he worked for a Blackwater-esque company? And then said "we worked for America" or some such.