buckingham nicks mcvie

so many christine mcvie songs are not v good

hi plax!

i would vote nicks in any of the eras

darn, thought thread title was buckingham nicks movie for a second.

The correct answer depends wholly on what kind of mood I'm in.

hi horseshoe!

how much did nicks write in the tango in the night era??

thought she was too wasted

mcvie

if you had asked me five years ago it would've been buckingham

stevie wrote my favorite mac song ("storms") but her songs on tango suck

this is inspired by watching the classic albums show and theres a bit where christine mcvie is p snotty about stevie nicks songwriting and i mean whatever stevie nicks songs are often p meaningless but dont be so rude christine!

should have phrased this who is the worst

that way you can choose TWO favourites

they all seem like they would be really rude except stevie nicks maybe but i bet she is really rude as well. but then sometimes like way too polite.

Though my favorite Fleetwood Mac tune is probably Brown Eyes I still voted Buckingham.

stevie obv. gonna win this in a...ahem.

theres a bit where christine mcvie is p snotty about stevie nicks

iirc buckingham also does this all the time, describing her songwriting as "open-ended" or unstructured or something like that. but that's why i like it, when it's good! the "gypsy" bridge is going absolutely nowhere and it's great

def would have gone with buckingham back in the day but honestly just can't pick now

There was a bit in the Stevie doc from a couple years ago about how she and Lindsey almost got in a knockdown drag out fight over how one of her verses was in first person and another was in third person in the same song.

lol i mean its obviously so fine to switch perspectives mid song

Misleading thread titles: Would buy tickets for a band that was Buckingham, Nicks, John McVie and an excellent drummer.

sometimes wish that buckingham nicks album had been a big hit and they had never joined fm

yeah i'm not looking for that Rumors-less timeline myself

McVie > Buckingham > Nicks

lol

oh wait are you serious?

yes?

or are you telling me what order they joined the band in

my favorite FM songs are "Don't Stop" and "Say You Love Me" and "You Make Loving Fun" so I am 100% serious. not trying to get into a stupid argument about my personal opinion.

i still love stevie nicks fwiw

i'm pretty much in agreement but they're not separated by too much in my preference

my favorite FM songs are "Don't Stop" and "Say You Love Me" and "You Make Loving Fun"

Wow, these are songs I'd never say I hate, but they are the ones I reliably skip when I know they're coming.

so many of her supposedly good songs are actually terrible i cannot describe how annoying everywhere is to me

I love love love Everywhere. But I like Seven Wonders even more and everybody else seems to hate that one (I know it's a Stevie song...sort of).

some of mcvie's best cuts are from this era imo

Fleetwood Mac between Peter Green and Buckingham/Nicks

so funny also to think of these middle aged people being like a fresh pop act

"you make loving fun" is unbelievable

i am willing to accept that there is all this excellent mcvie material hidden on bob welch albums but this is not so tempting

brad otm

there are admittedly some really great christine mcvie songs up until tusk

over and over for example

"hold me" is like the best song on mirage

ymmv if you don't like christine as much but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhjdNvxF6eQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xJF-x9XJio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIARC-2ji6I

imo with christine there's oddly no middle ground between the transcendent and the clunker.

I'm listening to Behind the Mask right now (why? because I obviously hate myself). If there were more songs like "Save Me" on this album, Lindsey's departure might not have been as big a deal as it was. One of Christine's strongest post-Rumours songs.

She's so good at verse-chorus-verse with little subtle harmonic curlicues that she's easy to underestimate.

Christine's best album is Tango. She runs away with the thing.

alfred otm

buckingham hands fucking down

McVie > Buckingham > Nicks

^This. I do think that some of McVie's best songs are on Bare Trees and Future Games but she's still on point all through this era.

It's more accurate to argue that McVie's Tango songs lent themselves to Buck's ministrations more than Nicks distracted doodles.

Never forget: WASAMATTAH BABEH BABEH BABEH

darn, thought thread title was buckingham nicks movie for a second.

― pplains, Monday, July 21, 2014 12:56 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

same here, thought it was time to make some casting decisions

lol there goes the thread

Meryl Streep as Buckingham obv

kim coates as buckingham

dennis from always sunny has to play lindsey obv

http://images.scholastic.co.uk/assets/a/20/ef/132325-ml-554232.jpg

It should be the whole cast of Sunny, incl. the waitress (she could be Bekka Bramlett, for inst.)
Then there's this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKBft-I4UdU

and this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKBft-I4UdU

Her 1884 solo album has some good stuff too, but xpost "no middle ground between transcendent and clunkers" ain't too far off the mark.

Sorry! I meant to post this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub-asknyxtc

I'm a sucker for this one. The piano interlude after the first verse is gorgeous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SygGLVKZ0Q

honey hi is a dark horse mcvie masterpiece

honey hi has that amazing instrumental passage about a third of the way in and the vocal arrangements on the outro are pretty cool but lord its good to talk to you even sweeter than wine omg

daddy all im tryin to tell you

oh daddy can fuck right off though

but she can be your daddy

suddenly had an awesome vision of Christine singing Prince's "Sister" as an uptempo bouncer in the mode of "Say You Love Me"

christine mcvie can be my daddy any day

the stars must be my friends to shine for me

Over My Head is the ultimate FM song and McVie the band's greatest songwriter.

buckingham p easily. after looking up writing credits i might say mcvie slightly over nicks but not sure. all three are obv classic.

darn, thought thread title was buckingham nicks movie for a second.

― pplains, Monday, July 21, 2014 9:56 AM (6 hours ago)

me too

Voted for Lindsey, didn't even have to think about it. Christine runner-up. Stevie Nicks, I will never understand the love for her, she is in my top five hated artists ever.

looks like i picked the wrong week to give up FP

Hating on anyone who can even choose

Stevie Nicks, I will never understand the love for her, she is in my top five hated artists ever.

― Sandy,

Stories!

otm Tim F.

Let me help:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_clO_FXq5A

McVie's "As Long as You Follow" is one of the great presumptuous additions to a GH album. "Got a Hold On Me" one of the few solo FM member tracks that sounds like it could be dropped right onto a FM record.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD7bR_6FRgo

Songbird and Oh Daddy are terrible but I love Say You Love Me, Over My Head, Hold Me, Little Lies and Everyhere more than any five song selection for the other two.

Songbird is terrible? *dies*

damn, RIP Johnny Fever

It's sad. I was a poster.

a good one

It's hard to vote in this because it's an album by album thing for me. For example, Buckingham's tracks stand out for me on Tusk but it's McVie that delivers the highlights on Tango In The Night.

Stevie Nicks, I will never understand the love for her, she is in my top five hated artists ever.

― Sandy,

Stories!

― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

I wish! No stories this time, I've never spoken to her, although the people I know who have all say basically the same thing - that she was insufferable then but is lovely and gracious now. I'm pretty sure I'd like her as a person if I sat down and had lunch with her or something.
Nah, I just can't stand her voice. And her songs. I hate her songs. I hate the dopey lyrics. The only thing I like that she ever came up with lyrically was the phrase "Edge of Seventeen" - I thought that was a cool way to describe that line between innocence and adulthood, until I found out that she just misheard Tom Petty's wife, in her heavy Gator Country accent, talking about how she knew him since he was the age of seventeen. And I don't find her melodies to be at all compelling, they're like little snippets of ideas that never seem to go anywhere.
I really hate Stevie Nicks.

stand back

Worried that I'm gonna be put in ILM time out for hating Stevie

Nah, she's sainted in many places, but not necessarily here.

even a fanboy (yours truly obv) will acknowledge her insufferable tendencies.

from everything i've read and heard, she was indeed a lovely & gracious person ('sweet and playful' might be more apt, actually) right up to the late seventies, whereupon things got weird fast.

from a RS profile of Christine around the time of her solo album:

More recently, Christine admits that she found her cohort Stevie Nicks' marriage "very, very bizarre" as well. Nicks married Kim Anderson, the widower of her best friend, Robin Anderson, early in 1983; they are now divorced. "She thought it was what Robin would have wanted," says Christine. "But they'd known each other for a long time, and it didn't seem like crazy love to me. I didn't buy her a wedding present."

Indeed, a touch of sadness creeps into Christine's voice when she discusses the transformation of Nicks' personality over the last ten years. "Ten years ago, she really had her feet on the gound, along with a trememdous sense of humor, which she still has. But she seems to have developed her own fantasy world, somehow, which I'm not part of. We don't socialize much."

she seems to have developed her own fantasy world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC5YWPTCNEQ

I've got to admit, it bugged me that "Stand Back" got added to recent Fleetwood Mac sets. But I have long been obsessed with this clip, which features Benmont Tench manually playing the arpeggiated synth pattern:

http://waddywachtelinfo.com/StevieNicks4.html

There are of course other aspects of the video that catch the eye, too.

They've played it in concert since the 1988 world tour iirc. When I saw 'em during The Dance tour it and "Go Insane" were played.

Go Insane fits FM sets much better, since so much of FM is just Lindsey. But Stand Back stands out.

that's a pretty badass trio of backing singers in that 'stand back' vid

the "Nightbird" performance that same night is fantastic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQzY97UCXns

Completely tangential, but one of the things that intrigues me is how every once in a while Stevie constructs her sentences in odd ways. It shows up in your Scarlett clip, Josh, around 2:16, when she says, "And we have already many times laughed and said 'where's my maid? and why are these chickens here?'".

Similarly there's an interview from the Bella Donna period where she's talking about Prince coming over to her house to collab (on Stand Back): "And he showed up, not long later."

Here it is, roundabout the 7 min mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuPCUMoDc6M

Where does this grammar come from?

Drugs.

From whence does this grammar spill? From decades of drugs abuse it may.

I dunno. It's not incoherent really, just odd, almost like a poetic construction. I don't hear other long term druggies coming up with such phrasings, do you?

No, not really. But I do hear a lot of people who are smart but relatively uneducated (or self-educated) putting their sentences together in oddly ornate ways. Like Stallone does.

Away put your coke! I mean you no harm

my guess is 50% drugs, 50% the same thing that drives people to put scarves on lampshades

http://earnthis.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/BeNotNobody.jpg

stevie officiated her wedding recently

Lol

(Xp)

Or to wear leotards while sporting wooden balls

in the box set there's a photo of Stevie shooting a Polaroid pic while sitting clothed on the toilet. It's where I wrote my best songs, she said, including the ones "you hear" on the radio.

I want ornate Stallone sentences right now!! (I really do, always figured him smart but never read any interviews)

Sit on my toilet Stevie Nicks

Choose only one huh?
http://37.media.tumblr.com/568c4e88f6b7b4f0593b82c688346724/tumblr_n5c2fh0OsB1tziohao1_250.gif

I want ornate Stallone sentences right now!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iN_h547_Fg

http://www.rogerebert.com/interviews/interview-with-sylvester-stallone

They'd ask me questions which I, as an actor, knew nothing about, and I was so enchanted by the sound of my own chatter that I'd spout off my opinions. One day I was doing that on the Dinah Show. And after the show was over, this innocuous-looking gentleman walked up to me. His eyes were glistening. He said one thing: 'Why are you doing this?' Then he turned and walked away.

Poetry.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

checks out

Where does this grammar come from?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0aHvD9MSchU

christine's songs are great; can't believe there's any debate over this.

granted, "don't stop" is awful, but i blame the whole band for that.

i love dont stop but hear it as more desperate than, say, the clinton administration did

if "don't stop" actually played any part in getting clinton elected -- after 12 years of reagan and bush -- that just makes the song that much better.

Well, we got eight more years of Reaganism but ooooooohh doncha look baaaack

i realize i brought it up in the first place, but not gonna argue politics on a fleetwood mac thread.

i'd rather argue about the unfair treatment of nicks in these poll results.

there's no way the results of the poll wouldn't be fair unless each person got 6 votes

would be fair i mean

there's no way the results of the poll wouldn't be fair unless each person got 6 votes

I'm sure they all got their lawyers and managers on it right away.

lol

This doc is awesome:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQOjptfZLJ4

Fave moment is probably around 23:40, where Lindsey basically says my way or the highway, either release a double album or I will take all my songs and release my own album.

Second fave around 4:50, when Stevie arrives at the studio with a dreamcatcher.

My favorite bit is when Buckingham questions Mick and when the nine-foot-tall drummer glowers and rises to his full height you suddenly realize that Buckingham may be the genius but it's Mick Fleetwood's fucking band.

I like when they interview 2 of the 3 managers about the double album.

man Fleetwood realizes what even in 2003 Buck doesn't: Buck can realize solo albums that sell low five figures because he's in Fleetwood fucking Mac.

My favorite bit is when Buckingham questions Mick and when the nine-foot-tall drummer glowers and rises to his full height you suddenly realize that Buckingham may be the genius but it's Mick Fleetwood's fucking band.

Tell it to Mick c. "Tango" when he was living on a steady diet of coke in a camper van parked on Lindsey's property.

xpost Eh, if that fame really ported over then Bucky would be playing to thousands of people in clubs rather than hundreds.

yeah but Mick's leadership has never been questioned, and it's more certain now that he's off drugs.

Don't Stop is great, even if you hate it. Some things are beyond good and evil.

I dunno. I think Mick abdicated his leadership position, or at least Bucky took over in something akin to a bloodless coup. While Mick is awesome, it's been Bucky since Tusk - his indulgences, his compromises, his cooperation. Bucky was the only one, besides Christine (I think), who did not have a serious substance abuse problem, and I think Mick understands the band hangs on him now. Especially ever since the "Behind the Mask" debacle.

(Is Behind the Mask a debacle? I've never heard it.)

You can be essential without being a leader.

I dunno if the band has a leader so much as a person shouting loudest at the moment

The McVie songs on BTM, the only ones I've heard, stick to her tried-and-true and don't sound particularly tacky but no special touches either. I do remember "Save Me" getting airplay.

i doubt anyone's said "guys fleetwood mac needs to do something" more than mick, the other 3 show their power by saying they DON'T need to do something.

and then there's john.

and then there's john

...who has a ton to do with what makes them sound so great. i've always heard fm as very much mick and john's band; the name of the band is no accident. without 'em, the others would just be three very good singer-songwriters, all of whom benefited as much if not more from the rhythm section as the rhythm section benefited from them.

I've always thought the distance between the B/N album and the s/t/ FM record to be not so great. I love the Mick and John rhythm section, but not least because they adapted so well to Bucky's vision. And probably got even better because of it.

i doubt anyone's said "guys fleetwood mac needs to do something" more than mick

No doubt, says the only member of FM who spent a considerable time bankrupt. Either way, this was a good read: http://www.nytimes.com/1997/11/30/business/talking-money-with-mick-fleetwood-there-s-no-stopping-tomorrow.html

sister stopped by this place on her money, said it was pretty surreal - lots of paintings of himself

http://www.fleetwoodsonfrontst.com/

on her honeymoon, i meant to write. gah