Thraed of Chief Keef's "Bang 3" major label abum due in September

stoked for the madness.

i believe in chief keef

he's posted some songs on instagram that sound so amazing over the last year or so. all seem to have disappeared now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLBE-mK0enk

TBH I think his 2014 has been better than most competing artists.

he has depth as a rapper & isn't a singles machine.

My Chief Keef best of 2014 comp would be something like:

1. Chief Keef - Gucci Gang feat. Justo and Tadoe
2. Chief Keef - Close That Door
3. Chief Keef - Hundreds
4. Chief Keef - Ight Doe
5. Chief Keef - Killer
6. Chief Keef - Tec
7. Chief Keef - Make It Count
8. Chief Keef - No
9. Chief Keef - Pull Up
10. Chief Keef - Save Me
11. Chief Keef - Slam Dunkin
12. Chief Keef - War
13. Gucci Mane and Chief Keef - Top in the Trash
14. Yae Yae Jordan feat. YNS Cheeks and Chief Keef - Strapped (Remix)
15. Chief Keef - Oh My Goodness

16. Chief Keef - Love No Thotties

out here like a flopson (tpp)
Posted: September 3, 2014 at 2:45:01 PM
i believe in chief keef

Ones I haven't been into: "Either Way," "April Fools," "Either Way," "Fuck Rehab," "Fucked Up" is OK but eh, "Go To Jail" "Now It's Over"

you didn't even mention his best song from this year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFTI7VOz-gI

i think "fuck rehab" is great too

i deliberately left both of those songs off because they aren't that good

'how it go' as far as melodic autotune joints go is pretty rote

wrong

have you actually heard the songs i listed

cmon that song isn't touching other earlier melodic joints along those lines

http://sisilafami.tumblr.com/post/95999019091/my-chief-keef-loosies-folder

i love this but tell me it's not the final version http://www.audiomack.com/song/fakeshoredrive/foreigns-1

its clearly not shit sounds jumpy

a bunch of those songs aren't 2014

thanks for "getcha" though missed that one somehow

nm i'm good
http://i.imgur.com/q0s8HeP.png

Here's a Chief Keef song from 2009, when Keef was 15 or so, produced by DJ Kenn, and people he knew who'd been killed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5esh-07utjg

dj kenns story abt how he came to chicago from japan because he wanted to do rap and was wandering the streets when keefs uncle found him and offered him a place to stay is so beautiful

how did he even figure to go to chicago its very cosmic

I guess he was in DC for a while first?

NYC. He had to leave for a situation he wouldn't explain to me. I asked he decided on Chicago and his non-answer was that he was either going to go to Miami or Chicago.

v intersting person

u want to do rap so u go somewhere that isnt particularly hot rapwise and by chance meet the people who you will help to blow the place up

he'd been recording keef since he was 10-11

Kenn, who declined to give his real name for this article, is originally from the Yamagata Prefecture of Japan. He produced the beat for “Bang,” as well as several of Keef’s other songs. He discovered hip-hop as a teenager living in Japan, and became a big fan of Dr. Dre, Nas and Cam’ron. (“[Stillmatic and Come Home With Me] are classics to me,” Kenn said when asked about his favorite performers. “I used to listen to those every day.”) When he turned 18, around 2005, Kenn moved to Tokyo, and within two years followed a friend to New York City. “I always looked up to him,” he explained. “He was doing music with people [in the U.S.]. I was like, I want to do music like him.” The United States completely changed Kenn’s perceptions of hip-hop. “Right here, everything is life-sized,” Kenn said in a thick accent. “Radio, parties, or even clothes, anything. This is real. In Japan, it’s different. People get older and they start to listen to it. Right here, it’s like babies listen to hip-hop, they grow up with the rhythm.”

he'd been recording keef since he was 10-11

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, September 4, 2014 4:30 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

crazy

some other good quotes here: http://somanyshrimp.com/2012/03/22/bang-the-launch-of-a-16-year-old-chicago-rapper/

yah p sure thats where i read abt it in the first place lol

good reporting fascinating story

more internet music people shd do reported pieces imho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii6z7mjUG7A

i find it interesting to look at his pre-fame videos, his rap style has always been weird but also considered

ya hes def trying harder at rapping in that one

the guy Odee who OBlock is named for is in that video

also chicago ahead of the curve on backward baseball caps

they def brought timberlands back too.

Don't mess w the dude in the mariners zip up

Timberlands never really went anywhere in mpls but I guess we get a lot of snow so

well yeah they didn't go anywhere in chicago either, they just became a mainstream fashion thing after this stuff popped off

I think Noz is right to push "Sosa style" as representative of nu keef ish, feels like a good rallying pt around which the rest of these records can rotate

https://twitter.com/a_plus/status/507763276005265408
https://twitter.com/a_plus/status/507763441789304832

some of this new stuff sounds like busdriver fell down a well

not sure i hear that, gotta say. it's like the anti-busdriver. keef likes to max out at four words per bar

unless you mean, like, when he fell in the well, the sentences broke off on the way down, or something

oh hemiola is the only creative jazzy flow is it :P

nah it's not so much any ott lyrical miracle stuff just mainly kinda the cali bro/gameshow host voice he puts on for 'i quote' or 'shooters' tbh

agree that "sosa style" is a good song for 2014 keef stuff to orbit around but i actually think it's one of his few songs from this year where he has a really dope & unique beat to work with (also "no")

sorta feel like keef has been working with kinda crappy/amateur beats for a while so i was particularly excited about his infamous 75%/40% tweet about recording 30 new songs with chop

anyway can't believe you're sleeping on "how it go" -- i think it's one of his few songs from this year that really nails the stylistic aesthetic of the song barely being held together without it, you know, actually not being held together (which is how i feel about something like "ight dow"). also weird mix of pathos and defiance that i think is particularly evocative here both vocally & lyrically

all these niggas up in they feelings
smokin loud pack i can't hear my feelings
all a nigga want is some billions
but i'm smokin loud pack as i spend my milions

http://i.imgur.com/q0s8HeP.png

ysi?

agree that "sosa style" is a good song for 2014 keef stuff to orbit around but i actually think it's one of his few songs from this year where he has a really dope & unique beat to work with (also "no")

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, September 5, 2014 9:49 AM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nah it's not even the only beat to use that trick ("Gucci Gang" illustrates how effective it is, though) and 12hunna is one of the best producers out ... listen to "hundreds" and "pull up" and "make it count," those are top of the line beats. The drum programming is so intricate and strange.

I notice there are actually a few "citgo" type songs but after the corny indie fuxx wave of citgo support I hestiate to enthuse about the "tec" style shit now.

That "Gucci Gang" track is crazy - first thing from Keef that I've heard for a while that's made me sit up and pay attention.

listen to "hundreds" and "pull up" and "make it count"

i've heard these songs.... i don't hear at all what you hear in those beats. they're completely non-functional.

if ilovemakonnen was rapping over these beats and vice was praising how "intricate and strange" the production is you'd be calling bullshit

also i have a pretty high tolerance for poorly produced beats but most of those 12hunna beats sound like total shit and i can't vibe to them at all

if ilovemakonnen was rapping over these beats and vice was praising how "intricate and strange" the production is you'd be calling bullshit

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, September 5, 2014 10:52 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'd be saying that if it was makonnen over 'sosa style' also. you're totally wrong man, i don't know how else to put it. try downloading the songs off itunes or something so you have them on good quality and aren't listening in a hasty 30 second itunes binge.

*youtube binge

lol @ you telling me to not listen to chief keef songs on youtube when that's how his music is consumed by 90% of people including his core fanbase

without fucking dj hustlenomics stepping all over the song smh

you don't know 12hunna beats until you hear them on vinyl

You're letting your fetish for melodic autotune pop cheese get in the way of your discernment here. the spindly beats w/ all the little pointillist details and disorienting grooves 12hunna is doing is way more interesting than 'how it go.' people are sleeping on it because the only versions are super tagged up by annoying dj hustlenomics drops on youtube so they can sell the NO DJs on itunes etc

whiney-level argument by j0rdan here

it's weird to hear you of all people fetishizing how "weird" and "interesting" the production is

i'm not 'fetishizing' it, you specifically said he gets wack beats and you're wrong

To be clear, it isn't the sort of thing I'd wanting to be listening to very much, if at all. Especially the video, really doesn't look like anyone's having much of a good time...

i think those 12hunna songs play far too much into keef's formless tendencies... i think something like "pull up" is much closer to the stuff of his 2013 mixtapes that you didn't really like than you want to admit

I imagine Keef being sort of just pushed in front of the camera in his drug stupor, everyone making sure he doesn't fall over or pass out unconscious.

really doesn't look like anyone's having much of a good time...

Wouldn't be too interested in CK if he were having a good time.

the 12hunna beats are purposefully "interesting" but to what end?

who produced "jet li"? that's the best kind of keef beat imo. it's like a midpoint between the effects 12hunna uses and something like jim jonsin that forces him to use more structure

"bang bros" beat >>>> any of those 12hunna songs you mentioned

no

i think you're following some previous idea of how his best stuff is supposed to sound & not letting yourself be flexible enough for the new direction. the way 'make it count' works is esp clever, beat builds up this mood by adding elements over time, then dropping out and picking up again as if losing and regaining energy, it's very disorienting and immersive

the complexity of the drum programming in a record like that or 'hundreds' is to an end, they all hang together—listen to the kick drop on 'hundreds' dropping in triplet pattern, it's got this like nervous momentum while the melody twists around in this weird fancy, regal feel ... idk this is hard to describe, but this stuff is super unique...the only record that the 12hunna stuff reminds me of is meek's 'off the corner'

oh god 'bang bros' is a perfect example, you're looking for one-note euphoria whereas this stuff is much more about queasy uncertainty, ambiguity, uneveness

Love Sosa & Don't Like = Keef having a good time > *

well "bang bros" happens to be euphoric but i just think it's a much better production. i don't hear anything inherently euphoric in the production even though durk went there with it.

TBH I think his 2014 has been better than most competing artists.

he has depth as a rapper & isn't a singles machine.

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, September 3, 2014 3:37 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

popply abba hoze lahgs abe foals

― crüt, Monday, July 15, 2013 1:08 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what i LIKE about new artists like keef is that he makes popular rappers like Kanye and Pusha T, for example, seem old and dated. Kanye knows hip hop is all about staying new that's why he does shit like 808s and Yeezus. He has to go completely different otherwise he's gone and forgotten. For example TI was brave getting on a track with Yung Thugger, but he managed to stay with him and not get overshadowed and sound old. Unlike say, Tyga on hookah, who's style sounds really dated and prosaic next to YT.

you know whats a weird interesting song i fetishize

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqGycb6_GRE

curvy, colombian beats

man i'm surprised to hear tyga got upstaged on a song

its weird

"First day out" is so good moar gucci remakes plz

its' not about getting upstaged, he didn't get upstaged, that's to imply there was ever any fair competition. He was just an irrelevance. a style that was seen as cool and desirable to some people only a few years ago now ill-adapted to any song.

tyga is a dipshit

jeff weiss said he heard tyga's "yeezus album" as exec prod by kanye west himself so racoon tanuki may have to swallow his wors

no one ever liked tyga iirc

I'm ok w tyga in a boring generic way he doesn't sound old IMO (a la Ross and jeezy on finally rich) so much as tepidly regular. But it's not even distracting on hookah

Tyga isn't really generic imo because he always shoots for something beyond just competent with his flows and word choices and then falls somewhere below competent because he's a terrible vocalist who uses words he doesn't understand. it's like the exact opposite of capable unambitious Jeezy types.

you don't know 12hunna beats until you hear them on vinyl

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, September 5, 2014 12:00 PM (8 hours ago) Bookmark

Lmao

more like 'til you hear them without dj hustlenomics dropping like 80 gunshots, airhorns, and dj effects on top of them'

but i know u just lol @ any deej clowning no matter how facile smh

It's holiday seaaaaasooooooonn

i am prepared to enjoy the work of 12hunna as new and distinct and beguiling etc it's just what idg is how the reasons for doing so are any less corny indie fuxxy than they were for 'citgo'

like we finally get the cis fka twigs we've all been waiting for let's hold hands and bask in the vibes w/o shame imo

It's keef, deej makes the rules we serve at his leisure

r|t|c
Posted: September 6, 2014 at 4:25:10 AM
like we finally get the cis fka twigs we've all been waiting for let's hold hands and bask in the vibes w/o shame imo

~_~

"As far as formal innovations go that abrupt hard filter thing that 12 Hunna does has been pretty underrated and totally physically brutal in the best way and I would not be at all mad to hear more of that in the new year."
noz, december 2013

i tend to agree with that

i am prepared to enjoy the work of 12hunna as new and distinct and beguiling etc it's just what idg is how the reasons for doing so are any less corny indie fuxxy than they were for 'citgo'

― r|t|c, Saturday, September 6, 2014 3:23 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol. citgo was C.I.F. bc it was a fairly marginal bonus track for him that wasn't even as big as "Kobe" or "They Know" but became this online rallying pt for the cloud rap contingent. dont get me wrong i like the song. but the argument im making for 12hunna's production is that it's kind of central to what he's doing right now, that it helps to organize a disparate selection of loosies if you find the constellation in the tracks & by & large I think 12hunna's sound has been a defining part of the '14-era Keef sound

Not at all opposed to calling him the cis fka twigs though

i tend to agree with that

― ANU (sisilafami), Saturday, September 6, 2014 12:42 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he's developed a lot since that point IMO...he's less going for brutal than a strange kind of looping disorientation ... idk sucks that the only youtubes has hustlenomics on them but the 4 12hunna tracks off top are 'shooters' 'make it count' 'hundreds' and 'pull up.'

bangbang

I love watching deej in the Keef threads because he treats every 6 months like Keef is moving from Revolver to Sgt. Peps

so much weed consumed, not even 20, funded by big corp. you have to worry for this kid. Saying that new stuff sounding like progression.

"All I Care About" sounds like the Farrah Abraham album

Saying that new stuff sounding like progression.

having a hard time decoding that post.

btw release date was moved back idk til when

I love watching deej in the Keef threads because he treats every 6 months like Keef is moving from Revolver to Sgt. Peps

― bozack horseman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:58 PM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

for the past 2 years its been a perpetual game of ppl saying he was on the last of his 15 minutes yet he remains one of the only rap rookie able to push out major label albums, has sustained as one of the genre's most popular artists, and has continually evolved as a performer. u write mash notes to marginal heard-by-15-people cassette tape only releases so

has sustained as one of the genre's most popular artists

?? really?

able to push out major label albums

i'll believe it when this supposed second Interscope album actually hits stores tbh

he has been kind of impressively resilient on an "always in the top artists on livemixtapes" level but i mean 2 years ago you were saying keef-branded headphones were gonna be a big christmas list item

i mean but what about guys like drake or macklemore or wayne or like ppl that are actually popular

'actually popular' wtf?

some rappers are more popular than him; most are less

he has been kind of impressively resilient on an "always in the top artists on livemixtapes" level but i mean 2 years ago you were saying keef-branded headphones were gonna be a big christmas list item

― some dude, Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:32 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

quote me

this is the current livemixtapes top ten:
1. Migos
2. Kevin Gates
3. Gucci Mane
4. Rich Homie Quan
5. Young Thug
6. Young Jeezy
7. Lil Boosie
8. Lil Wayne
9. Chief Keef
10. Yo Gotti

notable that the only guys there that haven't had mainstream radio hits in the last few months are Gucci and Keef (and Kevin Gates, although he's starting to break through to radio right now). Gucci is obviously kind of a unique case, but clearly Keef is hanging onto the mixtape audience better than, like, Ca$h Out or LoveRance or whoever else had one big radio song 2 years ago.

if they weren't going to be extraordinarily overpriced I'd buy you a pair of beats by keef's for xmas next year

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 10:51 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol that was funny but not really what you implied i said

two notes about his lack of chart success: first is that his biggest songs came right before the digital streams were incorporated into charts. second is that i've heard that a lot of radio PDs were shook by the 'chicago violence' negative publicity and wouldn't play his stuff. (Or any of the drill stuff)

in my world of young people chief keef was like all anyone talked about for months around the release of finally rich, i'm genuinely not sure those same people remember who he is anymore

(i know that is not specifically what you're claiming about his popularity but)

oh jeez sorry you just said they'd be on sale and expensive not that people would buy them, is my face red

i remember a few months after "Love Sosa" peaked on the charts i spent a weekend in South Carolina and it was the #1 song on the station down there. it seemed like his stuff kinda spread out regionally and didn't all hit at once. i think he just didn't hit all regions on the same level. he never seemed to make a heavy impact in Baltimore (where Boosie and Gucci and Meek have super strong fanbases).

continued presence at the top of mixtape charts despite lack of radio hits suggests he has a dece hardcore fanbase which is a p cool thing to have and a good place to build from im rating chief keef a strong buy our highest rating

he also routinely gets views in the low millions on youtube for all those random songs he does videos for that i guess weren't even on mixtapes?

Stop trying to make chief kerf happen

cheam kreaf is good af tho

a good place to build from im rating chief keef a strong buy our highest rating

― lag∞n, Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:23 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what's keef's market cap?

cheam kreaf is good af tho

― lag∞n, Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:46 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what about crӕm of...nevermind

~35m youtube views

http://i.imgur.com/C06QyLC.png

xp

there's a special place in hell for people who do acoustic guitar covers of rap songs

that pitch shifted song he just posted on youtube is p dope

oh jeez sorry you just said they'd be on sale and expensive not that people would buy them, is my face red

im confused about your point. they did release them as i recall

no idea how they sold, not sure you do either

at any rate he's released about 20 singles this year and uploaded them directly to itunes...people are listening to them, the last cut on shmurda/gs9's mixtape is the instrumental to 'pull up,' and at least in chicago he's still the go-to rap dude. also: apparently the 11th-most googled rapper in the country according to google analytics, two spots above kendrick lamar lol

haha ok shows what i know, i had no clue the keef headphones actually came out, n/m

i am on the tinfoil hat squad with deej regarding "hot nigga" rocketing up near the top 10 in the span of like a single month despite it being a rip off chicago rap songs that had mild if any chart or radio success

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XCioHuced4

fuck with it

i am on the tinfoil hat squad with deej regarding "hot nigga" rocketing up near the top 10 in the span of like a single month despite it being a rip off chicago rap songs that had mild if any chart or radio success

― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:52 AM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

def in a drill style but a hot song all its own

its more exuberant than the standard drill register

which chicago rap songs did "hot nigga" rip off

def in a drill style but a hot song all its own

― lag∞n, Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:19 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

no i agree totally, it's just.... suspicious

agreed

Bobby Shmurda jacked a beat from a Lloyd Banks song that was made by the producer of Meek Mill's biggest hits, nothing about the song really scans to be as more Chicago than east coast. I feel like Chicago came up and claimed ownership of this whole post-regional trap/nu-gangsta rap diaspora that is happening in dozens of different cities.

I mean he says "thot" but the whole world took that from Chicago a good while ago already

lol @ that sped up version of wait being all over youtube. Here's the original version: http://www.soundcloudfile.com/fphbi5 (seems like he did this song in the last few days because he recently put up the beat to this on ig in the studio)

Something about his music I find leaves me a bit cold though. Even the songs that I love seem too distant at times.

They also say "with the shits" and "broski" and us other Chicago slang, come on al. The use of adlibs, the video style, shmurda even says they were inspired by drill in interviews. And in his interview for global grind he basically says that pre-keef street rap was basically dead in his neighborhood and after everyone wanted to be a rapper

I do think the song is good and adds its own unique flavor to it, but saying it's not influenced by drill is nonsense

I mean he says "thot" but the whole world took that from Chicago a good while ago already

― some dude, Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:03 AM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The whole world took that from ... Drill music. And, uh, "shmoney dance" is a takeoff on the name "money dance"...

ok i'm not talking about slang or video style or even his inspiration, what chicago songs does "hot nigga" SOUND like? bobby shmurda doesn't rap like any chicago rapper i can think of, it's much more...straightforward rapping, cleaner-sounding beats

i think it sounds chicago bc chicago figured out an east coast urban meets down south rap style & that's basically what this is ...

ppl keep talking about the beat like it's so farfetched that it would be used in chicago but there are plenty of chicago beatmakers who make east coast sounding beats in the street rap scene too like chase davis

i guess if you thought 'drill' was all fake lex luger you might get confused but

well lil durk has plenty of songs that sound like meek mill... his whole "52 bars" series, really

like this is a pure shmurda blueprint

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgj4aV9GLbc

king L has done a bunch of lyrical songs over jahlil beats sounding productions

east coast dudes seem more into the lil reese / LA Capone / Lil Herb type dudes who have a more NY friendly delivery IME.

herb is another good example

there were a lot of people who fucked w/ reese most of all ... most people i talked to in ny thought he was the real talent or w/e the same way DC seems to have adopted Durk

yeah but his music doesn't sound like shmurda, i think there was just something in his attitude that appealed to new york types

his music at least was way more straightforward than keef's

anyway most of the hyped 'crossover' songs out of Chicago since Finally Rich have been dogshit with no radio potential, including that crit bait I TERRIFY MY CITY one, you gotta be pretty dense to wonder why "Hot Nigga" and not those songs

there were multiple lil durk singles from lat year that were dope and had def jam's label push... i'm not saying those songsa re better than "hot nigga" or that the situations are 1:1 (all the vine stuff w/ shmurda) but there's a huge gulf between shmurda inching his way to a top 10 pop hit and durk not being able to break charts at all #TeamTinfoil

to be clear, i think there's something to the argument that this succeeded almost bc it 'misunderstands' drill (or is less constrained by it) able to make shortcuts from pt a -> pt b much in the way Waka managed to make Gucci look overly subtle when he first came out. keef is still clearly the better & more influential artist. And there are plenty of radio-worthy singles from indie artists that don't get that signal boost from a major label

but shmurda is also standing on drill's shoulders bc the second he arrived major labels were chasing him and Epic capitalized on his viral single IMMEDIATELY. The second they could, they patched the song through coast to coast....at any rate i'm not making this up about radio not wanting to play drill shit:

via St Louis DJ:
https://twitter.com/a_plus/status/507763276005265408
https://twitter.com/a_plus/status/507763441789304832

i do think that chicago artists are majorly underrepresented on radio. that durk record was a major street hit though shipley. and is a dope song too wtf

but like ... all the bop records,

oops hit send too soon. you saw that interview with dj envy and co where they were like "yeah i've never heard of chance the rapper." its not like radio is paying attention to what's going on.

almost two years ago 50 cent was telling us that interscope was about to drop keef from the label bc he stood 50 up in the desert. now 50 is not with interscope and keef still is. lol

Chance is just off that whole radar, by design really. unlike Keef or guys who signed with French Montana or whatever.

it's weird to see the level of hysteria and sensitivity over anything having to do w/ violence in Chicago vs. how every other profitable gangsta rapper w/ a gun charge or whatever hasn't been distanced from the industry one bit.

thanks obama

Enjoying all these #DRILLUMINATI conspiracy theories

Wait, what about bop? Is it not being played? Being played instead?

Particularly enjoyed deej arguing that this east coast song is biting chicago dudes who are doing east coast styles

Love those lil durk singles from last year but they sound zero like this

... the point was that nothing about the original jahlil beats production sounds like something you wouldn't hear in chicago

that it can sound like drill music and have jahlil beats track.

it's even more obvious here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLd5mOs679M

huh this is not a collab i would have expected

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2wUa6K1oI

i kinda think shmoney dance (the orig) is more distinctive than hot nigga

agreed.

i think that collab makes sense, hes from an area in ny that is very Caribbean derived

almost two years ago 50 cent was telling us that interscope was about to drop keef from the label bc he stood 50 up in the desert. now 50 is not with interscope and keef still is. lol

― deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 21:59 Bookmark

haha i hadnt heard this story before

bitch mustve been dreading a hit if etc

sure, yeah i mean it makes kinda sense, and works p well musically, but i was just damn i haven't heard of elephant man in YEARS and dude is old enough to be all those dudes' father, like just if you gave me a million guesses who bobby shmurda's first big feature was gonna be i don't think i would have gotten it right

ha wow parachute this reggae legend into central brooklyn to chill w some teens on their utube video

nbd

ugh radio is really pushing "computers" :-/

rowdy rebel gone off that hemiola

there was already a ragga remix of "Hot Nigga" w/ Junior Reid, Mavado, and Popcaan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZJbHDmvLGU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XCioHuced4

Dont Like and Bang came in with the shock effect like 36 Chambers, he peaked then.

Dont Like and Bang came in with the shock effect like 36 Chambers, he peaked then.

― Raccoon Tanuki, Friday, September 19, 2014 4:38 AM (1 second ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nah that stuff is #basic compared to the new shit

Here this version of "wait" is the normal one, dunno what's up w/ that weird 'normal' youtube:
https://www.audiomack.com/song/jjdajetplayne/wait-2

rowdy rebel gone off that hemiola

― some dude, Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:06 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

? he doesn't sound off beat at all. boring tho

nah that stuff is #basic compared to the new shit

― deej loaf (D-40), Friday, September 19, 2014 10:39 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

//basic compared to *some* of the new shit, but hitting harder that most of it, right?

first 35 seconds of Wait might be the best piece of music of 2014

//basic compared to *some* of the new shit, but hitting harder that most of it, right?

― Raccoon Tanuki, Friday, September 19, 2014 4:48 AM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

new stuff is better across teh board

it's less capital p pop i guess but who cares its still pop

and yeah "Wait" is one of the best things ive heard all year

https://vine.co/v/OWXBprY5vmK

Excited for these new songs by Imogen Keef

lmao

http://i.imgur.com/AAKAkxf.png

i like when he missed three different flights to boston in one day https://twitter.com/ChiefKeef/status/512419421017874432

lmao

wow @ the Bang 3 artwork on Keef's twitter background. i'm guessing that's not the one that's going to be on the interscope CD.

http://images.rapgenius.com/947cf2758495691d6a5bbb3d8aa24014.609x609x1.jpg

lol video games

keef posts fanmade artwork on his instagram almost multiple times per day i wouldn't be surprised if that is one too

i think it's weird when artists make a commercially released album a sequel to a bunch of mixtapes that a small percentage of the theoretical album audience has heard or heard of -- bang 3, or jeremih's album being called "late nights: the album"

ya was thinking its kinda interesting ho they think abt "albums" and "mixtapes"

i just think it's unnecessarily confusing and also makes the album feel weirdly minor

to him tho maybe the album is minor

yeah i prefer the Lil Wayne system where there's a very clear stratification, The Carter are the top line albums and I Am Not A Human Being are the secondary albums, Dedication and Da Drought are the mixtapes, and never the twain shall meet.

yeah that's a good model

There should be a mixtape tag in mp3 id3 tags

He's supposed to be in brooklyn tomorr

hope he makes his flights

he grew up memorising beanie sigel raps

Think he would have learned a thing or two

yeah beanie sigel definitely a career path to model yours on

it mystifies me how much of the conversation around him seems to be abt reducing his agency to incompetence or just like, this force-of-nature buffeted by drug use / emotions / events, denying him control over his own artistic output ... i mean scroll upthread m@tt, i posted a song he recorded when he was like 14 where every line is perfectly on beat ... he just moved way past that

quit baiting me deej

why would you even come to this thread lol

it mystifies me how much of the conversation around him seems to be abt reducing his agency to incompetence or just like, this force-of-nature buffeted by drug use / emotions / events, denying him control over his own artistic output ... i mean scroll upthread m@tt, i posted a song he recorded when he was like 14 where every line is perfectly on beat ... he just moved way past that

― deej loaf (D-40), Friday, September 19, 2014 1:49 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha it's just so easy to do lazy zings and wind you up about it, you know that. i don't really feel strongly about keef.

"do you feel strongly about 50 tyson?"

http://tinyurl.com/mhqe434

"do you feel strongly about 50 tyson?"

― deej loaf (D-40), Friday, September 19, 2014 2:45 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i ain't gonna lie...i do

wow just listened to computers that sounds exactly like a chicago/keef type song

i think 'shmoney dance' is the song that best gets the NY/Chi balance right

why would you even come to this thread lol

what can I say I fiend for some hemiola

i completely forgot about 50 tyson

http://www.citypages.com/2010-12-29/music/5ingles/full/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDH6vjK9mF4

dying

worried about the gucci influence

good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrPRs_WR-gA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtZ_M-brxUk

loool

the one dread on top of your head thing ain't working tricky

makes sense tho that he would dig keef

he makes a great point actually simply 'he sounds so awkward and like he doesn't give a shit, and its like how did he get signed by a major label?"

i think a lot of my personal favourite rappers sound like that, or don't sound like theyre trying to rap. it's where most rappers go wrong.

named his kid krüe!!

http://instagram.com/p/tZXqcySQS4/?modal=true

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xJ0yj3sJbk&feature=youtu.be

wait i meant http://instagram.com/p/tWUVhoyQVs/?modal=true

weird so it's gotta be a motley crüe ref huh?

told yall it should have been rolling molly ratchet smh

they lovin the krüe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wjz4F6hyMY

thoughts

synths are kinda chillwavey

https://t.co/Ku17LdlifZ

i dont understand what these words mean

im guessing they're waiting for a single to push

that is a pretty weird track imo, kinda dig it

keef needs to just form a group w/ somebody so he can release unofficial records like rich gang

Two new songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHPmcafnb30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgw7Yv8je-k

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/0fRWxAV3Eik/hqdefault.jpg

dig both of these -- "where's waldo" beat is really dope

Back from the Dead II due on halloween

oh god that's that needledrop dude isn't it?

"where's waldo" is pretty incredible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=202NG9pnyoU

he'll be alright if he keeps of that lean. he's so much better rhyming without that shit.

he rhymes?

Diggin this weirdo citgo Keef shit

some dude asks a question I am legit curious about. I'm also finding his new stuff interesting musically tbh but I don't think it's super nerdy backpacker to note that the "Nina/Aquafina" and "out / about" are the only two rhymes in that freestyle

who cares if he actually rhymes words or not though tbqh

rhyming words is p cool imo

^

he rhymes on all these songs i have no idea what you guys are talking about

he'll be alright if he keeps of that lean. he's so much better rhyming without that shit.

― Raccoon Tanuki, Saturday, October 4, 2014 7:26 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's def clear that his 2013 was hurt by this but i think a lot of what's been attributed to it as far as his rap style (as opposed to his self-mixing work from bang 2) is probably not related, or at the very least id caution the direct 'he did drugs -> his music sounds like this' presupposition

maaaaan these new tracks playlist

cashin***
money****
Faneto****
Dear*****
Wait*****
Wheres Waldo**
Fool Ya*****
Wayne**

he's producing now for money reasons I'm sure and tbh I like these beats better than most of his mixtape throwaways

and i think he's getting steadily more losing his mind but his delivery is ridiculous at times

why would he be producing 'for money' when he would get more money for a verse, and all the beats are going to himself?

is that a serious post

i am seriously wondering why you think chief keef deciding to produce his own beats is a financial reason and not an artistic one when the guy has an open interscope budget, yes

well he tweeted as much himself is a not bad place to start. Your money is doubled, tripled if you produce and write your own music. He's also quite good at it, so why not.

an open interscope budget? is that still a thing? you'd know better than I would but I'd be surprised if there weren't a trad v. specific "here's how much we're spending on the studio for each release" clause in his contract

apprently d40 you think we're back in a time when your ideas about getting lots of money from a major label existed

major labels still have the most money and still do spend on recording budgets believe it or not

He has a multi million dollar interscope deal and an open budget, as in his project isn't on hold

I'm sure there is a limit on what he can spend but the idea that he's producing his own tracks bc he's broke is dumb

http://i60.tinypic.com/2qi9t0w.jpg

new keef + chop off chop's album, this is dope and very "old keef"

https://soundcloud.com/empiredistribution/young-chop-valley-feat-chief-keef

then there's new track off the mixtape *after* back from the dead 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqa6cb0HzQ8

the second verse is very "rims dancin" era gucci

Valley is awesome.

'how it went' is great

http://www.fakeshoredrive.com/2014/10/chief-keef-dropped-interscope-records.html/

that's so weird. i'm so surprised. he had an open budget.

on the new episode of the Champs, Danny Brown says Keef has surpassed Kendrick as the best current rapper

AlmightySo ‏@ChiefKeef 2m2 minutes ago
When Jimmy n Dre left that's when I said fuck Interscope! Big Dick style. that's what I signed up for not this new staff! Of WhiteHonkies!

lol

This thread is gonna get good

*Finds a comfortable chair*

these 龜s love sofas

Of WhiteHonkies sounds like a band from the Canterbury scene

lol the last thing I am is surprised

He did have an open budget ...his shit wasn't on hold... It's no contradiction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybpl46d0ABw

this song is one of my favorites hes done

d40 you wanna continue that "why is keef producing his own beats now" conversation?

anyway he's good if he beats that lean addiction. there's not another rapper out there today near him.

lol dog you still have me unconvinced that he's making beats to make money. guaranteed he makes a higher margin just wearing that sweatsuit in a video

One thing I like with him is I don't think he's in it for the money, yet.

I never got the impression that rappers who make a bazillion songs with very loose plans for eventual release like Keef or Gucci were paying producers much (or maybe not even anything) up front for beats. like they get paid later if it ends up on a budgeted project but until then the producers just hang out and work to build a relationship with the artist and be a part of their team. Is that unrealistic? Is it even possible that these guys who make SO MANY songs are spending a stack or a few stacks every time they rap on a beat?

One thing I like with him is I don't think he's in it for the money, yet.

― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:56 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this seems like a silly thing to say for someone whose rap album was called 'finally rich' lol

I dunno I think once he got enough commas to fuck your mama he was able to just relax and focus on the art

i thought he was fucking his teacher now

very on trend

this seems like a silly thing to say for someone whose rap album was called 'finally rich' lol

it would if the only thing you knew or heard of him was the title of that album

d-40 is a more of a casual chief keef fan, so cut him some slack

Yeah D-40 doesn't even have the underground shit he did with Skam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKItb2U6AnQ

that is def one of the most gucci-ish things hes ever released

i didn;t click on it, but I'm gonn bet that means the word "silly" is in every line?

i really like this song but it's gotta be the biggest gucci mane rip off in rap history

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5vxyljn0fk

except glizzy raps nothing like gucci mane

Glizzy is good but that song is garbage imo. they play it every hour on the radio in Baltimore (but not in D.C. oddly) and i feel like it's such a bad look for him.

lol i feel like that may be baltimore sneaking DC on some level

it's weird. Glizzy's getting more play in Baltimore than any Baltimore rapper has in years (and more than D.C. has played any non-Wale D.C. rapper in years).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnhYwLOf6Pw

i didn;t click on it, but I'm gonn bet that means the word "silly" is in every line?

― ILOVEMASONNA (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, October 27, 2014 1:13 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idgi

except glizzy raps nothing like gucci mane

― ANU (sisilafami), Monday, October 27, 2014 2:27 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

except https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKwQFg8JbjA

i know that song and my remark still stands, same concept different execution.

i think 'awwsome' is cool, not amazing but dece regional rap hit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPzZQmUJQiE

new tape is awwsome

since i been eatin out i like a bunch of food
who the fuck is you, i dont run with you

i think the gucci/sosa tape is a lil less interesting (obv it was recorded like a year+ ago) but opener is pretty undeniable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrQ3t7gx3vo

also "Valley" is one of his best songs ever imo

wow this tape is really garbage, peace

since i been eatin out i like a bunch of food
who the fuck is you, i dont run with you

can you tell me how the first line is related to the second one here and what's memorable about the lyric, thanks

rap music's unmemorable banalities

The first is a boast about being rich that I like for seeming like a non sequitur

Second line is a callback from a bunch of his records "who is you, I don't know you" or in the title of his old sing "I don't know dem" but with slightly shifted lyrics

The relation between the two lines is that they rhyme

wow this tape is really garbage, peace

― johnny crunch, Saturday, November 1, 2014 2:34 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Cool insight thanks for participating

Didn't realize 2 years on we were still at the stage of justifying that the guy is a good rapper worth hearing

yeah, that party wagon never even finished backing out of the driveway for most rap fans outside of chicago, dude

xp idk i liked finally rich and still jam it but maybe that anti keef contingent had a pt ill reconsider

Valley is one of the best rap songs I've heard all year but could you really argue that any of these Back from the dead 2 songs are gonna be remembered in a month? I'm open to arguments but I don't hear too many candidates for the 2018 Best of Chief Keef Vol 1 on this one. I like the Gucci one though. At least it's fun in a throwaway fashion.

yeah, that party wagon never even finished backing out of the driveway for most rap fans outside of chicago, dude

― some dude, Saturday, November 1, 2014 5:54 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i dont think thats actually true, some dude

Valley is one of the best rap songs I've heard all year but could you really argue that any of these Back from the dead 2 songs are gonna be remembered in a month? I'm open to arguments but I don't hear too many candidates for the 2018 Best of Chief Keef Vol 1 on this one. I like the Gucci one though. At least it's fun in a throwaway fashion.

― longneck, Saturday, November 1, 2014 6:48 PM (31 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes. i think the tape is pretty great.

the gucci one is nowhere near as interesting/creative as the solo one.

more than 50% of rap fans think Keef is a good rapper? his name is like shorthand for 'bad rapper' to a pretty large contingent.

It just sounds like the work of someone who spends too much time alone in his room.

more than 50% of rap fans think Keef is a good rapper? his name is like shorthand for 'bad rapper' to a pretty large contingent.

― some dude, Saturday, November 1, 2014 6:54 PM (35 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

do more than 50% of rap fans agree on any rapper? most rap industry nerds have been saying he's wack forever but they still say that about gucci, wayne, and anyone borderline 'ratchet'. if you are talking about those guys, then no, they were never convinced. i dont really think that's representative of 'rap fans'

What's interesting/creative about it though? He just sounds lost to me.

Put differently, what is it you connect with in these songs? No snark intended.

The relation between the two lines is that they rhyme

"food" and "you"

tremendous rhyme there

fish is my favorite dish lol tremendous rhyme rakim

What's interesting/creative about it though? He just sounds lost to me.

― longneck, Saturday, November 1, 2014 7:08 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm on my phone when I get home I can answer more fully but I think his stuff still sounds very purposeful. I would like to see him return to more banger-oriented shit at some point. But as far as cultivating a unique aesthetic that isn't completely out there he's p good imo

fish and dish actually rhyme

food has a d at the end of it. you can hear it, it's right there after the "oo." food and oud rhyme. also food and brood. mood. cued. spewed. tattooed. renewed. lots of rhymes for food. "you" isn't one of them

Forget it, Ray; its Chief Keef Town

Very pleased by recent developments itt

Lol @ faux naïf ignorance about slant rhymes did you guys discover rap last week or is it just chief keef that makes u all play incredibly dumb

I'm not sure there's a rapper alive who doesn't use slant rhymes regularly, at least when Whiney complains about "atlantic"/"atlantic" raps it's not something that exists in 80% of all rap songs ever

The relation between the two lines is that they rhyme

this is a thing you said just a few posts back

"food" and "you" are slant rhyme only if you have a very very low bar for slant rhyme. they're assonant, that's pretty much as far as you can really push that. if they actually rhymed, you might say there was this relation between the two lines. I wanna be clear before we further unpack your poetics: "food" and "you" are an example of a good slant-rhyme?

Rap Game Emily Dickinson

I posit that the purpose of the slant rhyme in this instance isn't to set a high bar for quality slant rhyming so you can appraise his slant rhyming abilities but to serve a function in relation to the song's broader purpose. Basically you're missing the forest for the trees if you think that's the point of it, but this seems so obvious I suspect you're just trolling

Anyway, BFTD2 and Big Gucci Sosa are hot.

That Young Chop tape too.

BFTD2 is amazing

Lol @ faux naïf ignorance about slant rhymes did you guys discover rap last week

word

I'm gonna need a bit more on why the new Keef is amazing. Granted it might be unique, but... uh... do you want more music to sound like this, do you want it played in clubs, on the radio, blasting from cars etc etc? I don't necessarily think it's bad I just think it sounds like a blind alley. Like, what does he do better on these songs (better than himself, better than anyone else, etc.) And again, no snark. I love changing my mind.

Lol @ faux naïf ignorance about slant rhymes did you guys discover rap last week

word

― I Love Makonnen: New Answers (The Reverend)

I think Keef is terrible, but yeah. Of all the things to call out, it's rhyming 'food' and 'you' ?!?!

For the record I do like a couple of tracks on this Keef tape.

I want more music like this blasting from my speakers. this chief keef tape puts me in the zone. it's hypnotizing.

anyone listened to the chop album? tracklist seemed promising

i bought it, it's like 4 bucks or something on itunes ... havent listened yet but skimmed through and it sounded dope

he was basically responsible for the sound & presentation of 'finally rich'

the fat trel song is cool

i agree the slant rhymes debate is super dumb but i still don't get why deej felt those lines should be written out and highlighted as notable, and you haven't given any other reason other than that they rhyme

*david stumbles over to the ropes of the ring where i'm bobbing on my toes, waiting with my arm extended to be tagged in. david finally grazes my hand and i leap over the ropes, the taut buoyancy of the upper most rope propelling me higher than i could ever jump. i can hear the crowd gasp slightly as the tension builds*

since i been eatin out i like a bunch of food
who the fuck is you, i dont run with you

i agree that these are good raps -- in two lines keef communicates the way that his life has changed by becoming a prodigal rap star. he can afford to eat out now, and he's learned that he likes new food as he tries it. but in the next line he cuts that feeling of wonder by reverting back to the paranoid kid who grew up in a place that teaches you to trust very few people. he's showing both sides of the coin in a very few number of words.

hahahahaha ok you two i tapout

hmm

i don't see how that's not very classically economical but economic rap lyricism

but ok!

I thought someone was going to make an argument that that couplet was about analingus

it's no "eat the cake, anna mae"

It's just a memorable line and its always keef skeptics who jump in to overanalyze them w the expectation that he be some kind of technical talent which is obv not the point

The second line is a callback. The first line is just a funny way to brag about being rich. It's not complicated

I've had his "Might go to China" line stuck in my head for the past week and I always think "I wish you would"

If all I am at this point is a "Keef skeptic" I clearly am not doing my job

lets definitely go 40 more posts about a tossed off lyric in a rap song, feel like we're close to a breakthrough

you just called it "memorable" an hour ago!

it was all memorable just a week ago

a jug of wine, a bunch of food, and thou

Actually J0rd kinda convinced me

lots of memorable lines are tossed off, matt! we're both heavy 'hip-hop's memorable banalities' thread posters, how is this any dumber than 'if you're tired, then go take a nap'

I'm not worried about memorable lines. Memorable songs though... Granted new Keef is "hard" and also "unique" and maybe even "courageous" stuff that puts you "in the zone", especially if you're on drugs, perhaps. What songs are we gonna be talking about a few years down the line? Are we talking outliers or breakthroughs?

'whole crowd' is so dope

I'll probably talk about 'cops', 'wheres waldo', 'dear', 'cashin', 'the moral', 'swag', 'wayne'.
Just like 'almighty so' ended up being a breaktrough.

Almighty so might be his best tape. I pull it out the most anyway

tmi

you sure do

Danny Brown was on the Champs podcast talking about how Keef is the best rapper right now. "he just now surpassed Kendrick...to the average person, they're gonna be like 'that shit sucks', but to me he's the best rapper." i thought of deej of course.

this isn't exactly a rare opinion

sidenote, lol @ al calling keef's tape the 'worst of the month' then defending that boring dej loaf record

it's a really awful mixtape. the excitement about Keef's production is insane.

i think there may have been some over-heralding of the production, which obv wouldnt work out of context if he were selling those beats to other artists, but the tape is great imo. and i mean... i just dispute a bunch of stuff you wrote, cf his supposed laziness, that gucci is outrapping him on anything, that he 'cant' rap on beat, that he only had one hit record (i mean...you yrself were saying you heard 'love sosa'—his second hot 100 release—on radio months later). And we've talked on here before about how radio PDs are refusing to play his stuff.

imagine Danny Brown and D-40 firmly explaining to you that Cheif Keef was making some of the most important rap music in the world and then just listening to the first 56 seconds of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvSFeZ1dXk4

definitely a good faith argument, excellent reasoning, not hypocritical

for all of deej's "keef is not like waka, don't compare him to waka" warnings i swear half that tape is just constant BOW BOW BOW BOW ad libs over every line

This shit sounds nothing like waka

For all al's warnings every criticism he has is a major reach

I will say there's an aggro energy to this Gucci never had... But waka was so brutally direct in a way this isn't

wow you really turned my post back on me in a clever way, good show

My main criticism of this is that nothing about it is particularly good or exciting.

Bumping this bc arguing about keef in the bad music writing thread seemed like idk self indulgent or something

I don't think keef is sociopathic. I also think comparing him to oj da juiceman's "basketball player" basic rapping is bs basically ...

can something actually "loom below" something else? i can't decide

i always thought "loom" implied hanging over something else

Wtf? No. Loom does not imply a specific direction

intransitive verb
1 :to come into sight in enlarged or distorted and indistinct form often as a result of atmospheric conditions
2 a :to appear in an impressively great or exaggerated form <deficits loomed large>
b :to take shape as an impending occurrence

2a

Feel like things lurk beneath the surface more than they loom

Lurk does not imply size and the continued misguided nitpicking ignored that it was the overarching argument djp disagreed with and Chris marginalized

I said I liked the review! I appreciate your thoughts on keef I just don't agree necessarily. I think I brought up the OJ xxl freshman verse but I would always being that up if I had an excuse

I brought this to this thread to make it about keef rather than the review bc i feel v weird defending ~my writing~—any flaws or w/e (aside from the ice cubes thing bc come on) are probably not productive to get into

I am though interesting in debating ideas abt his worthwhileness or lack thereof ... i feel like there's this sense that he has zero relevance or that his rap style is a joke or one-dimensional and i don't really think that's so

like, at one level it's about whether or not he's even a real phenomenon: do people care.

then it's about, OK, if we grant that he is a real phenomenon, why do people care? And I think a lot of people would say its bc of what he represents, or bc he's 'real', or bc of white fetishization, all of which is true to a degree but also applies to lots of other performers ~so my contention would be, there is something musical happening that people care about, and maybe I have no captured it in my piece! entirely possible. Which is why i don't want to debate that piece so much. But I do think the ~project~ of saying, why do people like this, musically? is a worthwhile one. but then, i enjoy listening to it, moreso than most rap music these days, so

*have not captured

Keeferbox/The Loom Below

Loom Sofa

lol excellent another word you guys dont understand is becoming a meme

looking forward to the next three years of you guys pretending i'm the one who didn't know what the word actually meant

shut up everybody, d-40 as usual is completely on point and absolutely nobody who thinks "loom" was a terrible word choice there has any standing to say so. I am a horrible writer with zero brain, that's why I think "loom" was a terrible choice there

you're shifting the argument to whether or not it was a good word choice which isn't what i'm trying to argue about, i'm just saying it makes literal sense, based on the dictionary definition you were apparently unfamiliar with

i am really not interested in making this about a referendum on my writing, i'm not here to argue that, you can think im a terrible writer for all i care,

ill discuss keef and the definition of the word 'loom,' though

lol excellent another word you guys dont understand is becoming a meme

― deej loaf (D-40), Monday, December 1, 2014 9:24 AM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark

Just call us the Loom Gang

if that's a choom gang reference, lol

WE GO PLAY LOOM

MF LOOM

looming posts itt

stfu croup of the loom

Lmoo

woah

well that sucked the air out of the loom

tomb of the loom

http://i.imgur.com/AvT5r7A.png

Michelin is great

most of the recent tracks on the soundcloud are good to great imo https://soundcloud.com/chiefkeefmansionmusick/

& i started enjoying 'nobody' (the album) more than a bit recently.

i stopped paying attention to keef after finally rich came out, so i prob missed out all the tracks hes been making since, but back from the dead 2 is one of the best rap mixtapes ive heard in ages. i think hes actually prob the most interesting producer around actually. farm and moral are two of the best things hes ever done imo. can anyone recommend what else of his i should catch up with?

this : http://www.audiomack.com/album/ventlyfe/almighty-so
and i made a comp of tracks he put out between 'almighty so' & 'back from the dead 2' : http://www39.zippyshare.com/v/75849920/file.html
if you like this, why not try his last album 'nobody' ?

I'm in the process of doing a list of his best records from 2014. keep an eye on this space

me & rollie pemberton being the only critics to vote for BFTD2 in pnj is a disagrace

id have voted him as rap producer of the year.

maybe i still need to listen to it more, but lyrically, i dont find him esp great. he seems to still have that habit of incoherence and lines not really hanging together, but delivery-wise, i cant really complain, so i dont really care that much about what hes saying, though he does have a knack of finding weirdly memorable phrases and imagery. it is weird though, this is the one rap album/tape in a long while that i want to keep playing. theres a lot going on in there.

i think a lot of ppl do not understand what he is actually saying, his lines are not actually incoherent?

like ppl keep repeating this about him not being a good rapper & i feel like they're buying into it more than is effectively true .... he's so much more engaging, lyrically, than most rappers out right now

incoherent was the wrong word... i guess i mean that i find his writing quite 'random'. it seems to jump around a bit, line to line.

he's so much more engaging, lyrically, than most rappers out right now

― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, January 20, 2015 10:46 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I be smoking tons yeah
Too much kush for my lungs yeah
Walk in the mall spending money having fun yeah

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yeah he has a few too many throwaway lines that could be from a random rap lyric generator. but it doesnt ruin the effect for me - tbh i think the appeal is more the overall package than him being a particularly great rapper, on paper at least. his voice, delivery, and that sense of malevolence/dread/depression, compensate.

and i dont think its necessary to paint him as a good/great rapper to explain why his music is still incredibly compelling

Yeah, I like Keef and "Faneto" is one of my favorite rap songs of 2014, but deej's constant harping on the notes he doesn't play and his engaging lyricism seem more like "just justifying my taste here" than any actual thing a normal non-deej human could ever hear in these songs

Walk in the mall spending money having fun yeah

Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Fun, fun, fun, fun
Lookin' forward to the weekend

It's Friday, Friday
Gotta get down on Friday
Everybody's lookin' forward to the weekend, weekend
Friday, Friday
Gettin' down on Friday
Everybody's lookin' forward to the weekend

it IS necessary to paint him as a good/great rapper 'cause "his voice, delivery, and that sense of malevolence/dread/depression" are the things that makes him a great rapper.
a rapper isn't a bunch of transcribed lyrics.

i'm a king i'm a lion check out my sign i'm a symbol is pretty incredible writing imo

honestly can't believe you guys are gonna have this discussion again

i can definitely believe that

*delonda brice voice* wait till deej hear about this...

Gizmo's cuttin', up for the
Suckers that's, down with me
The one of us, that's how I feel
To be down you must appeal
To the Two, we're rated R
We're gifted, and we're going far

too bad top billin has such lame lyrics!! it could be a classic

I be smoking tons yeah
Too much kush for my lungs yeah
Walk in the mall spending money having fun yeah

in what universe are these not good lyric

annoyed that the nobody album isn't on spotify bc i would like to give it a try. upon reexamination i really liked back from the dead 2 and while i have some reservations about him still, i'm def gonna be interested in whatever the hell he does next.

in what universe does "good lyrics" = "much more engaging, lyrically, than most rappers out right now"

in what universe does your randomly selected lines represent all his lyrics

D-40, have you ever cried to a rap song?

^read that to the tune of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvvZ1TEQRB8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csATriX8Ed0

I have a feeling that if anyone can answer that with a yes, it would turn this into a better thread

http://www.theonion.com/articles/enchanted-necromancer-brings-life-back-to-oncedead,37785/

i'm a king i'm a lion check out my sign i'm a symbol

these are great

"walk in the mall spending money having fun yeah" is rather more, um, underwhelming

what is it about keef that everyone approaching his music seems as if they are hearing rap music for the first time

"walk in the mall spending money having fun yeah"

Rap game Basho

if anything Chief Keef just evokes feelings of mixtape rapper fatigue in me. i've been handed CDs full of sloppy flows and indifferent production just like his stuff so many times over the years, the fact that he has a national profile unlike the other minor talents i heard this kind of thing from doesn't add to its charm at all.

i have no interest in the rap opinions of anyone who has never cried to a rap song

i wanna hear more songs about crying come out of the city they call 'cry-raq'

i have no interest in the rap opinions of anyone who has never cried to a rap song

― based grandpa (noz), Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:46 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

word

if anything Chief Keef just evokes feelings of mixtape rapper fatigue in me. i've been handed CDs full of sloppy flows and indifferent production just like his stuff so many times over the years, the fact that he has a national profile unlike the other minor talents i heard this kind of thing from doesn't add to its charm at all.

― EVERY HUGH JACKMAN HAS A VAN HELSING (some dude), Tuesday, January 20, 2015 5:43 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the only rappers that sound like him are people who bite him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVmZlU_Epq4&x-yt-ts=1421782837&x-yt-cl=84359240

i guess i used to be very sensitive to g-funk sirens cuz i cried to "thuggish ruggish bone" & "black superman".

eh i just don't think keef reinvented the street rap wheel all that much, both from the lex luger era that directly preceded him and in a broader sense the stuff that was happening for years before that

his delivery has roots in gucci but is sui generis for a good part.

I be smoking tons yeah
Too much kush for my lungs yeah
Walk in the mall spending money having fun yeah

in what universe are these not good lyric

― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, January 20, 2015 1:12 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

<3

that's a great lyric someone should post it in rap music's memorable banalities

this beat is crazy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0uniMf-xVE

lol just turned on a stream of power 92 for the fun of it and whaddya know it's playing keef ('fool ya'), at half five in the afternoon. v impressed

oh this is dj pharris now, cool

so i kept note of the 15mins i caught and i'm glad i did cos i found it quite enlightening tbh, compared to a lot of the uphill discourse in general about keef n chiraq's place in the world

keef - fool ya
bobby bitch
migos - hit em
waka - o lets do it
lil reese - us
young jeezy - flexin
keef - ballin
future- itchin

was struck (not least cos of them not being brand new or necessarily agreed classics on a drivetime mixshow) by the v particular selection of the tracks around keef's, among which he made perfect natural sense in a way that wouldnt have scanned were one to just list migos, jeezy, future, keef in parity

this fucking beat

http://instagram.com/p/y_A-L0yQXC/

ricardo villasosa

new tape is interesting, def more lyrically oriented (in the sense of certain gucci tapes) than song-oriented + lots of interludes where he seems to by trying to earn sympathy from ppl who have written him off or pathologized him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei8IJMdrQ5Y

i like this one

ots of interludes where he seems to by trying to earn sympathy from ppl who have written him off or pathologized him

hahaha we're monsters! MONSTERS!

stfu & listen to the song

link is broke

it was the song "What Up"

the skits on this are classic

pull up on your daughter
i'm a shark up in the water
i remember buying quarters
now i add a p
when it come to your bitch
i gotta add a keef

just heard some Keef song in the background and for a minute thought it was a neocon diss: "Paul Wolfobitch." Turns out it was about a deceased actor.

delightful keefsian wordplay

jeezy "flexin" was such a great record, shame that it got kinda lost in the mixtape shuffle as he was looking for singles for tm103

Beat on 'Vet Lungs' is incredible.

beat on '5am' and 'what up'

what up is nice

this tape is seriously so great

he's like a different artists now (compared to the early Don't Like days) his lyrics are a lot more clear...or maybe his voice just matured more?

http://baseshare.com/uploads/songs/02152015/chfhk_600.PNG

is that andy milonakis or a drug-enduced hallucination

I think he sounds better cos this time he recorded it from inside the booth

just looked at the credits - was hoping he would be producing more.

true esp since he produced one of the best songs on the tape

is this tape as good as back from the dead 2? cos i dont see anything topping that.

its different. i think BFtD2 is dope but doesn't feel like a singular summation of his appeal or anything ... one angle

this new one is more like a street mixtape, recommended for keef fans, got some definite jams on it

andy milonakis is a bad influence keef, run away

yeah that's true also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLpCkuftmJM

video for one of my favorite keef records from last yr

why don't u just marry him

long distance relationships never work

http://www.complex.com/music/2015/03/bout-to-blow-best-new-songs-march/kanye-west-all-day

wow keef invented rapping with a bunch of your homies onstage, amazing

lol... tho when i watched that kanye performance those vids of that keef show were the first thing that came to mind

but yeah 100 people on stage is also a grime thing

wow grime invented rapping with a bunch of your homies onstage, amazing

pretty sure it was either the polyphonic spree or mahler who invented that

The first thing Kanye asks himself in the morning: WWCKD?

So... after playing the deluxe version of Sorry 4 The Weight I'm reluctantly starting to like this new Keef. It's kind of... fun?

wow keef invented rapping with a bunch of your homies onstage, amazing

― some dude, Tuesday, March 3, 2015 6:33 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

give one high profile example of this happening in the last three years

Dej Loaf does it all the time.

link?

and i said 'high profile'

let's be clear before this hilarity gets going that this line, in all its self-deluded splendor, is what some dude was calling out a few weeks back

Kanye West's "All Day" performance at the Brit Awards felt like a conscious reference to Chief Keef's performance of "Don't Like" and "3Hunna" at the Congress Theater as captured by this Wala Cam video from 2012.

that's not even a reach considering kanye's the one who propelled keef right after this happened

'self-deluded' ok dipshit

XD

oh good the troll gang is all here