http://i.imgur.com/5qETyon.png
http://www.idolator.com/7577225/roisin-murphy-announces-new-album-and-live-shows-coming-soon
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 22 January 2015 08:03 (eleven years ago)
The Mi Senti EP was cool, yes, but I am unbelievably hyped for a new LP.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 22 January 2015 08:05 (eleven years ago)
*punches air*
― Ottbot jr (NickB), Thursday, 22 January 2015 08:18 (eleven years ago)
2015 is sure making up for 2014 isn't it
― katherine, Thursday, 22 January 2015 14:04 (eleven years ago)
So excited for this. Can't believe Overpowered is almost eight years old!
― Kitchen Person, Thursday, 22 January 2015 14:16 (eleven years ago)
Was hoping she'd sneak into the Top 77 tracks but it looks extremely unlikely now.
Excited for the album though
― groovypanda, Thursday, 22 January 2015 14:19 (eleven years ago)
New track out and album announced:
http://pitchfork.com/news/58494-roisin-murphy-announces-hairless-toys-lp-shares-gone-fishing/
― daavid, Monday, February 16, 2015 4:10 PM (1 hour ago)
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 16 February 2015 22:54 (eleven years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/ym6Fsxp.jpg
01 Gone Fishing02 Evil Eyes03 Exploitation04 Uninvited Guest05 Exile06 House of Glass07 Hairless Toys (Gotta Hurt)08 Unputdownable
Eight songs seems like not a lot after such a long wait, but maybe (I hope?) they're eight REALLY GOOD songs. "Gone Fishing" portends good things imo.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 16 February 2015 23:00 (eleven years ago)
It's getting better with every listen. It may be my favorite song of the year so far.
― daavid, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:41 (eleven years ago)
It really is so good.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:42 (eleven years ago)
I especially love the pitch-shifting 'strings'
― daavid, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:43 (eleven years ago)
Just listened to it three times in a row, agree with daavid it's probably the best thing I've heard so far this year.
― ewar woowar (or something), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 11:42 (eleven years ago)
the songs are long - "Exploitation" cracks nine minutes acc to itunes
Anyway this song is great!
― Simon H., Tuesday, 17 February 2015 13:55 (eleven years ago)
Going Fishing travels so many places in six minutes. I typically have "long-song ADD" but I sort of trust her to not let me down in this regard.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 19:03 (eleven years ago)
I like that it works out she's spent one year per song on this new album. Judging by Gone Fishing this album is going to be worth the wait.
― Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 19:52 (eleven years ago)
http://www.factmag.com/2015/02/23/roisin-murphy-release-jealousy-12-crosstown-rebels/
"Ahead of Hairless Toys, her first solo album in eight years, Róisín Murphy has recorded a club-focused 12″ for Damian Lazarus’ Crosstown Rebels label."
There's not really much to the "house mix," a youtube of which is embedded at that link, but I'm quite interested in hearing the "disco mix".
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 23 February 2015 21:52 (eleven years ago)
somehow only just heard "jealousy" - it's amazing, both mixes, actually much more so than "gone fishing" which underwhelmed a bit in the end
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 14:16 (ten years ago)
And here's Exploitation... http://pitchfork.com/news/58951-roisin-murphy-shares-exploitation/
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:22 (ten years ago)
Don't know if it's amazing or insane. Or both.
― daavid, Thursday, 26 March 2015 00:45 (ten years ago)
Murphy occupies a unique position, the gay diva with a library, reclining before floor-to-ceiling shelves in interviews. Shes a nutter but she's our nutter.
― You and your damn elves, I'm sick of it! (Sanpaku), Friday, 27 March 2015 01:22 (ten years ago)
I've probably said that about the Unabomber on other forums.
I'm a softer being.
― You and your damn elves, I'm sick of it! (Sanpaku), Friday, 27 March 2015 01:25 (ten years ago)
(comma, after momentary sobriety), now.
― You and your damn elves, I'm sick of it! (Sanpaku), Friday, 27 March 2015 01:28 (ten years ago)
I want to like the disco mix of "Jealousy" but hearing the sampled guitar from Ahzz's "New York's Moving" without the synths is killing me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud2epRXRFmU
― Michael F Gill, Saturday, 28 March 2015 01:57 (ten years ago)
The album is out there now. It's really beautiful.
― Kitchen Person, Sunday, 12 April 2015 16:55 (ten years ago)
oooh yes!
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 12 April 2015 16:57 (ten years ago)
I'm still absorbing it but there are definitely a bunch of OMFG moments
― bae sremmurd (monotony), Sunday, 12 April 2015 21:32 (ten years ago)
Video for "Exploitation"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjSwFsPCeJ4#t=143
― daavid, Monday, 13 April 2015 15:50 (ten years ago)
that video makes me want a boiled egg
― cerealbar, Monday, 13 April 2015 15:56 (ten years ago)
album version is too long though (maybe)
― cerealbar, Monday, 13 April 2015 15:58 (ten years ago)
this bangs and is weird
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 13 April 2015 21:25 (ten years ago)
i.e. in character
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 April 2015 23:52 (ten years ago)
I can't unsee Dolores O'Riordan.
― StanM, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 01:52 (ten years ago)
i really don't know what i think of the album yet but it feels like she's tiptoeing around the concept somewhat. which she should, to be fair, because it's a minefield, but it ends up so careful. some very impressive moments w/r/t structure, arrangements etc but she never goes for it at any point? when "jealousy" comes on afterwards it feels a billion times more alive.
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 07:57 (ten years ago)
think the restraint contributes to the anxiety and tension kinda running unbrokenly through the whole record
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 13:30 (ten years ago)
"jealousy" is great obv but a different thing
re: the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLoyu9PcmBc
― bae sremmurd (monotony), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 13:32 (ten years ago)
i think it comes at the expense of any real emotional pull tbh. it's a very tasteful and accomplished concept album but it feels like RM knew that the entire thing had to be handled with care - straight white woman makes album explicitly and entirely about gay black men's experiences, how could it possibly go wrong - and it ended up a touch too sensitive, maybe. idk, i'm still getting to grips with it but i'm not exactly drawn to put it on much, and when i do i find myself appreciating it on a head level way more than on a heart level.
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:10 (ten years ago)
haven't yet seen an interview with her, would have pitched but it's not as if i know a huge amount about the paris is burning era either, lol
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:11 (ten years ago)
I was about to ask: where are you getting the info about the album? I'd love to read it.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:20 (ten years ago)
the initial press bumpf i presume, not any in-depth feature
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:23 (ten years ago)
yeah the press release she wrote:
This song was written after I watched the documentary film Paris Is Burning, having read an article which referenced it in a discussion about House music's origins in black, gay culture. I was deeply moved by this film. 'I had to run this far from home' - it's about the outcasts who could never fit into mainstream society and how they created a safe place in the drag 'Ball' scene of New York in the ‘80s. 'Will we live on? The children of La Beija' refers to the 'house' of Pepper La Beija, who was one of the most notable figures on the scene, Pepper is also quoted in Malcolm McLaren's song on the same subject 'Deep In Vogue'. The culture was a flamboyant reaction to persecution and disillusionment, the imagination and bravery of these kids is simply awe-inspiring. I envisioned 'Gone Fishing' almost as a song from a Broadway musical version of this story. The making of one's own world, a safer world and the creation of a new, better family in music or youth culture is a theme I touch upon elsewhere on my album Hairless Toys.
straight white woman makes album explicitly and entirely about gay black men's experiences
afaict this only applies to "gone fishing"
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:26 (ten years ago)
i haven't studied the lyrics or anything but she seems to return to those themes pretty consistently throughout
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:31 (ten years ago)
hm well neither have i tbh
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:36 (ten years ago)
also it feels very weird at a time when the ballroom scene seems so healthy for RM to reference it so explicitly as an influence but not go anywhere near it sonically
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:39 (ten years ago)
Murphy's seems to have been adopted by the transgenderqueer (etc., I don't keep up) community for a while.
― Dreyfuss levels of hopeless romantic (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:56 (ten years ago)
's (Video is one of several unofficial fan videos for "Simulation" featuring trangender peeps - parts might be unsafe for some workplaces)
― Dreyfuss levels of hopeless romantic (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:59 (ten years ago)
i feel like the new record is kind of a sister (or cousin) to last year's mr twin sister album
― j. winters (josh), Sunday, 19 April 2015 19:04 (ten years ago)
Hmm, hadn't thought about that, but makes sense on the surface.
I'm definitely a fan of the straightforwardness of Overpowered. This one takes more dedication to love, like Ruby Blue did imo.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 20 April 2015 04:05 (ten years ago)
been listening to this a lot lately and came across a track-by-track where she basically confirms that only "gone fishing" is about balling, the rest is about her strange interior life. was surprised to find out "exploitation" is literally about sex but in retrospect it's obvious
anyway this is still one of my favorite records of the year, though it makes more sense as a follow up to ruby blue than overpowered. "unputdownable" prob one of my favorite love songs of all time at this point
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 14:29 (ten years ago)
i waited so long for a new RM album but now there is one i couldn't care less, it's weird.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 14:41 (ten years ago)
I played it a lot in late May but haven't returned to it. Too quiet and the melodies are skimpy.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 14:43 (ten years ago)
gonna give it my first shot in weeks b/c Brad.
yeah really liking unputdownable, thanks Brad. I think i was put off by the single with the queazy speeding-slowing thing going on. hated that.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 14:46 (ten years ago)
Too quiet and the melodies are skimpy.
sympathetic to this but i think i like it bc of how pared down and nervously quiet it is
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 15:31 (ten years ago)
also i'm a real sucker for the jazzy guitar runs in "exploitation" and "house of glass"
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 15:32 (ten years ago)
I think i was put off by the single with the queazy speeding-slowing thing going on. hated that.
If you mean Exploitation, that's one of the things I like about that track (my favorite from the album, in either the single version or album version).
― _Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 15:59 (ten years ago)
ah so there IS a thread. doesn't come up in the search for Roisin. first track is amazing. good to see it got a Mercury nod. this is her best stuff IMO.
― piscesx, Monday, 19 October 2015 15:28 (ten years ago)
the lack of love would be more baffling if this weren't a very quiet and elusive record
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 19 October 2015 16:41 (ten years ago)
omg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic9f7XRRhx0
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, 7 December 2015 05:16 (ten years ago)
INDEED
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 7 December 2015 05:26 (ten years ago)
The full version looks like it's getting released on Friday (digital/12") and is 7+ minutes. WANT
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 7 December 2015 05:27 (ten years ago)
He should do a full remix album. The video is so good too.
― ewar woowar (or something), Monday, 7 December 2015 08:36 (ten years ago)
Another remix
https://soundcloud.com/miss-roisin-murphy/unputdownable-prosumer-remix/s-9xUmr
― groovypanda, Monday, 7 December 2015 12:29 (ten years ago)
so, uh, i guess there might be a new album this year?https://twitter.com/roisinmurphy/status/702787290171629568
― circles, Saturday, 27 February 2016 18:43 (ten years ago)
Wow
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 27 February 2016 19:09 (ten years ago)
hell yeah. hairless toys didn't hit me at first but now i think it's amazing... i listened again keeping a couple comments in mind i'd read on the EOY 2015 thread, something about how 'evil eyes' switches gears into a boogie song four mins in. her previous album, which i love, even sounded a bit drab afterward in comparison.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Saturday, 27 February 2016 20:21 (ten years ago)
https://soundcloud.com/miss-roisin-murphy/mastermind
new track is nice, hadn't seen the tweets so I wasn't expecting something new already.
― ufo, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 13:42 (nine years ago)
This song is like a series of forks in the road, and she took the right one every time.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 13:46 (nine years ago)
Yeah, this is great! Even though it's the sort of thing my pop-structured mind tends to find unpleasant, it works when Róisín does it.
― daavid, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 14:20 (nine years ago)
just came here to post about the new album. nothing for 8 years then 2 albums inside 1 year. weird huh? last album is amazing, easily her best IMO.
by the way this thread is impossible to find.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 20:37 (nine years ago)
Hairless Toys was impressive but I still love Overpowered more than anything she's done, though.
― daavid, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 21:16 (nine years ago)
album title is intriguing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-BQXz1Nk7k
― Number None, Sunday, 24 April 2016 20:10 (nine years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4xe-qiKE00#t=210
― daavid, Monday, 16 May 2016 14:55 (nine years ago)
oh boy
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, 16 May 2016 15:13 (nine years ago)
that song "Mastermind" is a jacuzzi.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 May 2016 15:26 (nine years ago)
'ten miles high' on repeat
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 19 May 2016 17:22 (nine years ago)
Album sampler. Properly bonkers as expected. I feel like Róisín is now fully in her own world... and what a beautiful and mysterious world that is!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cppivyhqwFU#t=554
― daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 03:45 (nine years ago)
Róisín DGAF!
tbh I'm not into very much of this, at least at this early stage, but good on her
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 03:55 (nine years ago)
It seems to lose a bit of momentum towards the second half. But the first four tracks or so have some incredible moments.
― daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 04:02 (nine years ago)
I love that the bass is used so sparsely (both here and in Hairless Toys) but when it's there, it's fucking there. No messing around.
― daavid, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 04:12 (nine years ago)
this record is super fucking wacky. also "ten miles high" is a masterpiece
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:19 (nine years ago)
I don't have any fully-formed opinions yet but this album is amazing.
― ǂbait (seandalai), Saturday, 9 July 2016 00:42 (nine years ago)
New album is utterly bonkers.
― chap, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 14:38 (nine years ago)
It sounds like Disco Volante era Mr Bungle in some sections.
― chap, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 14:39 (nine years ago)
I'm not liking this new direction.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 14:39 (nine years ago)
I think I like it, but it'll take me a few listens to confirm.
― chap, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 14:41 (nine years ago)
She has too powerful a voice and presence to murmur over slow tracks.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 14:42 (nine years ago)
It's not all that though. I get the impression that they're the kind of tracks which will reveal their underlying structure and power over time.
― chap, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 14:45 (nine years ago)
"ten miles high" reminds me heavily of moloko
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 14:45 (nine years ago)
also idk if sustained murmuring is really a new direction for róisín
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 14:49 (nine years ago)
The beats tended to be kinetic ("Dear Miami").
I like "Ten Miles High" too.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 14:50 (nine years ago)
imo it's the best song from both albums
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 14:51 (nine years ago)
btw can someone tell me how to pronounce her first name? Is it RO-SHEEN?
I don't want to embarrass myself this weekend around fellow music nerds.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 14:53 (nine years ago)
iirc yes
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 14:56 (nine years ago)
Nervous Sleep is pretty extraordinary (this may be the one that Alfred is thinking of most with his "mumbling over slow tracks" description)
― chap, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 15:06 (nine years ago)
Enjoying this a lot. It was less instant than Hairless Toys but I'm enjoying it more as a whole after a few plays. Some of it reminds me of a more mellow version of Ruby Blue.
― Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 15:09 (nine years ago)
that's correct Alfred. The accents indicate an elongated vowel sound
― Number None, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 19:36 (nine years ago)
whoa take her up to monto is really great. sort of like if all the weird sui generis organically sprouting ideas of hairless toys were pushed even further and the carefulness abandoned
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 11:24 (nine years ago)
^^^ yep
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 12:40 (nine years ago)
like the surprise groove in "evil eyes" but happening all the time
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 12:41 (nine years ago)
it's all much more labyrinthine than the way most of the tracks on Hairless Toys would slowly unfold. i don't enjoy it quite as much but it's definitely an incredible 2 hours or so that have come from those sessions
― ufo, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 13:03 (nine years ago)
This album just gets better and better. Lip Service is my current favourite. I keep getting it stuck in my head.
― Kitchen Person, Sunday, 14 August 2016 23:19 (nine years ago)
It really does get better and better.That bit in the middle of 'Thoughts Wasted' when the flutey noises start poppin' and the male vocal accompanies her is #1.
Serious contender for best of the year.
― mr.raffles, Tuesday, 16 August 2016 13:52 (nine years ago)
Fuck, she's brilliant.
― Ross, Sunday, 30 October 2016 05:11 (nine years ago)
i know right?
― piscesx, Saturday, 7 January 2017 00:32 (nine years ago)
I seriously regret not seeing her in Chicago in November. I didn't take to Take Her Up to Monto as much as Hairless Toys, but I think I need to spend more time with it.
― Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc), Saturday, 7 January 2017 07:52 (nine years ago)
Love the moment on "Uninvited guests" where the devil may care slacker vibe turns into a gorgeous wide screen bridge. Roisin excels at these emotional shifts in songs, sections that change your perception of the narrative
― In a slipshod style (Ross), Saturday, 9 December 2017 19:19 (eight years ago)
*guest
dunno if people caught this news but roisin is on two tracks on the forthcoming dj koze album. one of them can be heard here:
https://www.residentadvisor.net/tracks/899282
pretty good i think!
― i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Monday, 12 March 2018 13:43 (seven years ago)
that's dope
seeing aliens is also good (no dj koze thread?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyvBM1SECS0
― tinnitus the night (Ross), Friday, 16 March 2018 16:51 (seven years ago)
jfc new rousin murphy too, 2018 is attempting to be the greatest year for music in some time
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 16 March 2018 18:13 (seven years ago)
*roisin
are you referring to the DJ Koze tracks or has something been announced??
― joshywinty (josh), Friday, 16 March 2018 18:59 (seven years ago)
the DJ Koze tracks (which I still need to hear but that involves prying myself away from essaie pas)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 16 March 2018 19:08 (seven years ago)
Definitely worth prying from Katherine. roisin can do no wrong but the album version of seeing aliens I’d probably better tbh (cut by 3 mins )
― tinnitus the night (Ross), Saturday, 17 March 2018 00:26 (seven years ago)
#comeandhaveadancewithyourmum
― circles, Sunday, 18 March 2018 02:55 (seven years ago)
has something been announced??
― joshywinty (josh), vrijdag 16 maart 2018 19:59 (six days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bglj35ggalG/?hl=nl
― willem, Thursday, 22 March 2018 14:33 (seven years ago)
Damn Maurice Fulton? His house of glass remix delivered
― tinnitus the night (Ross), Thursday, 22 March 2018 14:53 (seven years ago)
My 5yo watched some Roisin Murphy videos with me last night, and now she is a full-on fan. Especially enjoys the dresses, I think.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Friday, 23 March 2018 00:04 (seven years ago)
DAMN roisin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE63vMzb3UE
― after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 19:21 (seven years ago)
isn't that Gladys Knight's voice?
― boxedjoy, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 20:27 (seven years ago)
Yeah looks like it is - totally mistook it for roisin
― after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 20:34 (seven years ago)
that really does sound a lot like roisin though tbh
― i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 21:05 (seven years ago)
All My Dreams/Innocence, the first of four 12" singles produced by Maurice Fulton, is now available to preorder from @TheVinylFactory on beautifully artworked 12" vinyl here: https://t.co/pDdyiNNC4m Vinyl is released on 18th May along with the first of a series of visuals...— Roisin Murphy (@roisinmurphy) May 3, 2018
― groovypanda, Thursday, 3 May 2018 08:54 (seven years ago)
It was premiered on Nemone's radio show yesterday. It sounded really good - probably the most "pop" thing either of them have done in a good while.
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 3 May 2018 16:37 (seven years ago)
that's out digitally now and both tracks rule
― ufo, Saturday, 5 May 2018 03:31 (seven years ago)
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 May 2018 03:45 (seven years ago)
wow they’re both great
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 May 2018 04:05 (seven years ago)
i can’t wait to make these singles my arbitrary album of the year
£20 for a single? £80 for an eight track album is taking the piss.
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Saturday, 5 May 2018 11:42 (seven years ago)
Of the two, I think I prefer 'Innocence'
― Jeff W, Saturday, 5 May 2018 14:53 (seven years ago)
I would bet this turns into an album, the same way Sequins did
― boxedjoy, Saturday, 5 May 2018 17:37 (seven years ago)
I'm just now listening to these
!!!
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 6 May 2018 21:38 (seven years ago)
^
There's nothing arbitrary about it, surely. When they're all out that's an album. I'm sure it will be sold as such post-vinyl release.
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Monday, 7 May 2018 00:42 (seven years ago)
lol i briefly forgot that sequins turned into ruby blue so i trust y’all
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 7 May 2018 00:51 (seven years ago)
The ep is good - very electro - do you like my tight sweater cubes
― Dyslexicon (Ross), Monday, 7 May 2018 05:06 (seven years ago)
I think I prefer Innocence but I also think at this point I prefer Maurice Fulton to Roisin Murphy
― boxedjoy, Monday, 7 May 2018 16:38 (seven years ago)
She reminds me of mike Patton in her dismantling of styles
― Dyslexicon (Ross), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 07:16 (seven years ago)
Take her up to Monto is all time
― perpetual motion machine (Ross), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 07:20 (seven years ago)
Was loving that Seinfeld bass on house of glass remix so more of that on all my dreams is alright by me
― perpetual motion machine (Ross), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 02:34 (seven years ago)
another new about 32 mins into this:
https://www.nts.live/shows/test-pressing/episodes/test-pressing-12th-may-2018
the whole project feels very "Seventh Heaven" doesn't it
― boxedjoy, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 08:40 (seven years ago)
Sounds a lot like Maurice Fulton's prior work with Kathy Diamond on Miss Diamond to You (2006).
― Microtransgressions as a Business Model (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 14:00 (seven years ago)
pointless anecdote but i met kathy diamond at a carboot fair last summer. would never have recognised her but she was selling a load of household things - furniture and stuff like that - and on the ground under a table i spotted a pile of about 20 records which turned out to be all the last remaining copies of her debut 12" so i was all 'ah wait a second, is this you!?'
― i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 14:39 (seven years ago)
I always think of the first Kathy Diamond album as being very weightless and floaty in a different way to this. I love her, everything she sings on is instantly brilliant. What did she say when you realised it was her? I heard she had been very ill for a few years.
― boxedjoy, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 15:41 (seven years ago)
oh i just asked her some fairly boring general questions about making music cos unfortunately my knowledge of her music is about as deep as an ant's bathtub. all that was running through my mind was 'oooh I seen your name! On ILX!'
― i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 15:54 (seven years ago)
Plaything: likeLike: like!
― Jeff W, Friday, 22 June 2018 20:54 (seven years ago)
What is this???
― mind how you go (Ross), Saturday, 23 June 2018 13:28 (seven years ago)
https://youtu.be/4VWrk_Jdu3k
https://youtu.be/MR_ftT5ltis
― lowercase (eric), Saturday, 23 June 2018 13:37 (seven years ago)
wow @ "plaything"
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Saturday, 23 June 2018 14:08 (seven years ago)
'plaything' is catnip for me
― i want to get cancer (map), Saturday, 23 June 2018 16:06 (seven years ago)
Damn
― mind how you go (Ross), Sunday, 24 June 2018 14:44 (seven years ago)
not as good as the last few but what would be
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Sunday, 24 June 2018 19:31 (seven years ago)
the new songs are all good while yr listening but unmemorable.
― Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Sunday, 24 June 2018 22:32 (seven years ago)
that's how I felt about her last albums but I'm the opposite with these singles, they are much more direct and distinctive
― boxedjoy, Monday, 25 June 2018 07:27 (seven years ago)
^ take her up to monto is great
― mind how you go (Ross), Monday, 25 June 2018 09:56 (seven years ago)
I feel the opposite to you boxedjoy
All my dreams is a little too agitated for me unless I’m in the right mood. I mean Fulton was a good choice but his house of glass remix is superior imo
Hairless toys freak
― mind how you go (Ross), Monday, 25 June 2018 10:24 (seven years ago)
Owch that should say for the win
freak
― Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Monday, 25 June 2018 11:08 (seven years ago)
https://inews.co.uk/culture/roisin-murphy-interview-moloko-mercury-prize/
― eris (Ross), Thursday, 2 August 2018 22:27 (seven years ago)
legend
― eris (Ross), Thursday, 2 August 2018 22:31 (seven years ago)
loving the EPs released this year - hope she does a full length soon or a LP with Fulton, they have serious chemistry
― Ross, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 16:38 (seven years ago)
based on her recent interviews that doesn't seem to be a space she's right now
― Number None, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 16:40 (seven years ago)
*space she's in
I mean we're basically getting a full album's worth of material from her this year
― ufo, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 23:31 (seven years ago)
mix six six six
http://www.factmag.com/2018/08/13/roisin-murphy-fact-mix-moloko/
― lowercase (eric), Sunday, 19 August 2018 17:45 (seven years ago)
While I'm not terribly familiar with the Fulton collaboration EPs, I believe that's a new Murphy/Fulton track at 37:40.
― Roomba with an attitude (Sanpaku), Sunday, 19 August 2018 18:18 (seven years ago)
Sorry, that's just Jackie Moore - "This Time Baby" (1979), not listed in the track listing.
Sadly shows how shallow my disco knowledge is, despite decades of interest.
― Roomba with an attitude (Sanpaku), Sunday, 19 August 2018 18:26 (seven years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3rRS9OBSGwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRwXPxtrfsc
especially liking Can't Hang On but these are both great
― ufo, Friday, 14 September 2018 18:42 (seven years ago)
Both have huge instant appeal.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 14 September 2018 19:02 (seven years ago)
The two new ones sound a lot looser (as in: studio jams) than the others so far, esp. 'The Rumble'.
― Jeff W, Friday, 19 October 2018 17:57 (seven years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O5EJJNw9zY
these songs are all so fucking good
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 November 2018 17:12 (seven years ago)
the 51 minutes of music róisín put out this year is my album of the year
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 November 2018 17:15 (seven years ago)
hell yeah, all her releases this year have been fire
― davey, Thursday, 15 November 2018 20:02 (seven years ago)
Add the 2 tracks from the DJ Koze album and you have a lovely full hour of new stuff.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 15 November 2018 20:41 (seven years ago)
Crooked Man feat. Róisín Murphy - Incapable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwtI8G_7ZrA
Melting....
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 23:09 (six years ago)
PREMENSTRUAL COPYNOT FOR MALES
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 23:10 (six years ago)
^^ this is no longer vinyl only: https://open.spotify.com/album/5a9qnrBPEtdYCmO8x6L0Jp
― monotony, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 06:23 (six years ago)
https://youtu.be/H02BPY7vEms
new single
― ufo, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 15:48 (six years ago)
oh lol that's what was linked before whoops
― ufo, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 16:01 (six years ago)
great another magnificent song
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 16:02 (six years ago)
That's more like it.
I even bought it on iTunes to help her out.
― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 16:07 (six years ago)
Like this the most of her recent spate of singles.
― chap, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 16:37 (six years ago)
reeeeeeemix
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 12 July 2019 21:21 (six years ago)
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeemix
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 12 July 2019 21:22 (six years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoxLXfgno-w
this remix is so good
― ufo, Friday, 6 September 2019 01:28 (six years ago)
― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)
It's a very nice initiative, Alfred, but I'm pretty sure that RM is living a pretty good life off the back of the excellent music she's been making. I totally understand where you're coming from though and always bandcamp the things I love but I'd be surprised if RM needs help in this regard.
― Funky Isolations (jed_), Friday, 6 September 2019 01:38 (six years ago)
fwiw, I always bandcamp the things I play out unless I can't find them to buy.
― Funky Isolations (jed_), Friday, 6 September 2019 01:40 (six years ago)
oh, but yes, I forgot the point of my post! You should bandcamp it rather than itunes it!
― Funky Isolations (jed_), Friday, 6 September 2019 01:43 (six years ago)
I appreciate the unnecessary rebuke, jed. Thanks!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 September 2019 01:45 (six years ago)
sorry for the repetition, i'm drunk.
― Funky Isolations (jed_), Friday, 6 September 2019 01:49 (six years ago)
Thanks, Alf! x
― Funky Isolations (jed_), Friday, 6 September 2019 01:50 (six years ago)
:-/
― Funky Isolations (jed_), Friday, 6 September 2019 01:51 (six years ago)
C'mere. Let's dance to "Incapable."
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 September 2019 01:53 (six years ago)
haha. I just read back what I wrote. what can I say ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― Funky Isolations (jed_), Friday, 6 September 2019 01:56 (six years ago)
i accept.
I'm pretty sure that RM is living a pretty good life
I'd assumed the "Overpowered" video wasn't entirely in jest, and that at peak marketability.
― hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Friday, 6 September 2019 18:36 (six years ago)
dope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8db9QuagHE
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 8 November 2019 15:05 (six years ago)
discofied re-recording of her 12-minute cassette-only track on https://livesthroughmagic.bandcamp.com/album/lives-through-magic - but there's a great stirmonster edit to listen to if you click through, plus a flamgoon/caribou collabo
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Friday, 8 November 2019 21:30 (six years ago)
ah here's the original for reference!
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Friday, 8 November 2019 21:37 (six years ago)
unjustifiably unappreciated Roisin content from years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0yOJ7QnqxI
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Thursday, 5 December 2019 03:08 (six years ago)
(i think it needs to be slower, I play it pitched down)
I think it needs to be faster but that's very much in character for me
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 5 December 2019 13:13 (six years ago)
tried it at youtube ‘s 75% and I can see a -6 being effective on the floor
― insecurity bear (sic), Thursday, 5 December 2019 16:32 (six years ago)
what a jam
― ingredience (map), Thursday, 5 December 2019 20:30 (six years ago)
It’s OUT!!! Now get down and boogie it’s the LAW!! https://t.co/u8gxKHxfpr pic.twitter.com/mY4oNHNknT— Róisín Murphy (@roisinmurphy) March 4, 2020
― Jeff W, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 08:08 (six years ago)
YES
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 March 2020 21:34 (six years ago)
― Alain the Botton (jed_), Wednesday, 4 March 2020 22:18 (six years ago)
is this another Parrot/Crooked Man production?
― Alain the Botton (jed_), Wednesday, 4 March 2020 22:23 (six years ago)
Omfg
― nathom, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 22:33 (six years ago)
Seriously in love w her. 🥰
― nathom, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 23:18 (six years ago)
I love that this is so much in the style of “Incapable”, such a good look for her.
― Tim F, Thursday, 5 March 2020 00:20 (six years ago)
Also how has she not used this as a song title before?
seriously impressed by what she's doing rn.
― Alain the Botton (jed_), Thursday, 5 March 2020 00:23 (six years ago)
Xpost it took me a min to make the connection. I am such an idiot
― nathom, Thursday, 5 March 2020 00:52 (six years ago)
RÓISÍN MY QUEEN
― winters (josh), Thursday, 5 March 2020 01:04 (six years ago)
man she is having an amazing couple of years, the recent roisin playlist is nonstop hits
― adam, Thursday, 5 March 2020 12:12 (six years ago)
World tour is on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzML3JO1Fxo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G8ZI-Zi7FM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkN94RzeCxc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hscm2WKBklA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ8dJ4b4zMA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyIRVa7qbPU
― Bleeqwot (sic), Saturday, 23 May 2020 20:20 (five years ago)
what a fucking legend
― winters (josh), Saturday, 23 May 2020 20:25 (five years ago)
seconded
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Sunday, 24 May 2020 08:05 (five years ago)
wowwwww heart eyes X 10000
― crystal-brained yogahead (map), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 03:43 (five years ago)
NEW ROISIN ALBUM IN AUGUST
gonna feature "Simulation" from 2012 which feels like THE track of the moment
https://www.thelineofbestfit.com/news/latest-news/roisin-murphy-confirms-new-album-is-landing-in-august
― winters (josh), Monday, 29 June 2020 23:46 (five years ago)
time to move Simulation from "Roisingles 2012-2014 [As]" and Jealousy from "Roisingles 2015-2018" to "2017-2020 singles w/ Crooked Man"
― time is running out to retweet boing.gif (sic), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 00:14 (five years ago)
i thought "jealousy" was from the hairless toys/take her up to monto sessions, not a crooked man production like "simulation" and the three recent singles that are presumably on the album, so i doubt it'll be on it? excited though!
― ufo, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 00:45 (five years ago)
nah, Parrot was on the perch for that one
― time is running out to retweet boing.gif (sic), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 00:51 (five years ago)
move Simulation from 'Róisín 2012-2014 [As]'
this is such a great, solid hour of disco-ish cruisers, I can't pluck the opener
― time is running out to retweet boing.gif (sic), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 07:11 (five years ago)
BTW DJ Koze played the Concert Hall of Sydney Opera House in December, and had an unannounced mystery guest singer occasionally lurking behind the scrim in his travelling garden centre.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrqYmD7oIRM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m93uyb-jnRs
― time is running out to retweet boing.gif (sic), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:38 (five years ago)
the only song I know by her is the one that goes "bing bong ding dong" and it's in my head all the time
maybe time to change that
― frogbs, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 17:09 (five years ago)
ramalama?
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 18:56 (five years ago)
She also did another lockdown live video, for one of the Mi Senti remixes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezt-Au5QxWo
― bat ain't Thad (sic), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 20:57 (five years ago)
(apparently needing to read the Italian lyrics offscreen a bit)
― bat ain't Thad (sic), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 21:08 (five years ago)
I'm on the campaign trail to make 2020 A Year of Róisín
― winters (josh), Thursday, 2 July 2020 04:02 (five years ago)
yo there's a fantastic conversation between roisin murphy and jessie ware too lazy to find the link
falling hard for "murphy's law" and "narcissus". this cosmodelica remix of the former is *chef's kiss*. sorry if this is like old news i'm catching up tbr. can't wait for the album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyvw5jNS2GY
― carin' (map), Friday, 3 July 2020 21:26 (five years ago)
https://www.interviewmagazine.com/music/jessie-ware-roisin-murphy-music-album-disco
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 3 July 2020 21:28 (five years ago)
Album announcement is imminent I believe. Rumoured title: Róisín Machine
― monotony, Thursday, 30 July 2020 06:21 (five years ago)
OMG. What a title.
― Tim F, Thursday, 30 July 2020 06:40 (five years ago)
oh my fucking GOD
― winters (josh), Thursday, 30 July 2020 07:47 (five years ago)
must've finally got tired of all the mispronunciations
― or something, Thursday, 30 July 2020 09:25 (five years ago)
She's been posting snippets of a single called "Something More" this week and it's already my favorite thing she's made since Overpowered.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 July 2020 12:13 (five years ago)
Róisín Machine is indeed the title and it comes out on September 25th.
Not many new songs but it will nice to have all those singles together.
1. Simulation2. Kingdom of Ends3. Something More4. Shellfish Mademoiselle5. Incapable6. We Got Together7. Murphy's Law8. Game Changer9. Narcissus10. Jealousy
― kitchen person, Thursday, 30 July 2020 14:35 (five years ago)
I hope they've tightened up Simulation, it really drags on.
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Thursday, 30 July 2020 14:46 (five years ago)
TIL how to pronounce "Róisín" so I guess it works!
― the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Thursday, 30 July 2020 14:47 (five years ago)
I can’t believe I’m getting new Róisín and new Sufjan within my birthday week this year
― winters (josh), Thursday, 30 July 2020 15:01 (five years ago)
here's a quartergo put it in the roisin machine
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Thursday, 30 July 2020 15:05 (five years ago)
omg yeah that's great.
― piscesx, Thursday, 30 July 2020 15:52 (five years ago)
https://cdn2.albumoftheyear.org/345x/album/266103-risn-machine.jpg
― piscesx, Thursday, 30 July 2020 15:54 (five years ago)
Narcissus was tightened from 12 minute to 8 minutes for the single release. I'd expect a new mix, if not a whole re-recording, for Simulation eight (!) years after the original
― Steppin' RZA (sic), Thursday, 30 July 2020 19:47 (five years ago)
I've always known it's pronounced Ro-sheen but that doesn't stop my stupid brain from reading it as Roy-sin every single time xps
― chonky floof (groovypanda), Thursday, 30 July 2020 20:17 (five years ago)
I think the point is it's actually rosh-in
― or something, Thursday, 30 July 2020 20:20 (five years ago)
Un-Follow Me Now, This Is Gonna Be the Only Thing I Tweet About For The Next Week. Ive Wanted This For Years Fuck. What The Fuck.— Tyler, The Creator (@tylerthecreator) July 21, 2011
― winters (josh), Thursday, 30 July 2020 20:24 (five years ago)
just put on "Murphy's Law" on Sp*t*fy and the original 8-minute track has an "- Extended Mix" added to it when it wasn't there before (in addition to the ~4-minute edit), so my guess is the length of the album version (and the other album tracks) are gonna be somewhere in between those running times
― winters (josh), Thursday, 30 July 2020 20:35 (five years ago)
8 years since Simulation!
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Thursday, 30 July 2020 20:36 (five years ago)
and more timely than ever imo! it's been my song of the (quar) summer
― winters (josh), Thursday, 30 July 2020 20:39 (five years ago)
also what a fucking way to open an album -- I'm guessing this "live @ home" performance should reflect the edit of the album version:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G8ZI-Zi7FM
― winters (josh), Thursday, 30 July 2020 20:55 (five years ago)
"something more" is so so good
― ufo, Thursday, 30 July 2020 21:12 (five years ago)
also what a fucking way to open an album
yeah, I have it as the opener on this:
move Simulation from 'Róisíngles 2012-2014 (As)'this is such a great, solid hour of disco-ish cruisers I can't
this is such a great, solid hour of disco-ish cruisers I can't
Full tracklist if anyone wants to have fun:
Simulation (Original Mix) [2012] 11:35 Golden Era (David Morales Disco Mix) [2012 - David Morales & Róisín Murphy] 6:51 Flash Of Light (Original Mix) [2012 - Luca C & Brigante feat. Róisín] 6:43 Gamble On You [2013 Solomun feat. Róisín] 8:31 Look Around You [2013 - Boris Dlugosch feat. Róisín] 6:48 Leviathan [2014, Freeform Five feat. Róisín] 8:12 Alternate State [2014 - Hot Natured feat. Róisín] 4:03 Invisions (Original Mix) [2014 - Luca C & Brigante feat. Róisín] 4:12
― Steppin' RZA (sic), Thursday, 30 July 2020 21:36 (five years ago)
this is from 2011. I absolutely love it.
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Thursday, 30 July 2020 22:03 (five years ago)
correction: 2010.
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Thursday, 30 July 2020 22:04 (five years ago)
i-don't-wanna-be-a-be-alone-you-don't-have-to-use-your-charm-you-don't-have-break-my-arm
this bit bangs!
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Thursday, 30 July 2020 22:25 (five years ago)
I think maybe we should start calling Róisín's bangers "bing bong ding donger"s
that remix is track 3 on "Róisíngles 2008-2011 [Bs]" btw :)
it's nice (especially to be occasionally reminded of House Of House, RIP) but the original version is such a great bing bonger
― Steppin' RZA (sic), Thursday, 30 July 2020 22:27 (five years ago)
Any idea what happened to them?
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Thursday, 30 July 2020 22:30 (five years ago)
One of them was also half of Still Going. It's possible HoH only ever intended to do the one single and just got a few remix gigs off the back of it.
― Steppin' RZA (sic), Thursday, 30 July 2020 22:47 (five years ago)
what a single though!
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Thursday, 30 July 2020 22:53 (five years ago)
https://az705183.vo.msecnd.net/onlinesupportmedia/onlinesupport/media/skype/fa300xx/headphones_40x40.gif
― Steppin' RZA (sic), Thursday, 30 July 2020 23:20 (five years ago)
for those who have never heard it, this is the House of House single we're talking about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GLJ7-SO4Ag
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Friday, 31 July 2020 00:26 (five years ago)
if the other four tracks are as good as the six we've already heard this will surely be her best album?
― ufo, Friday, 31 July 2020 05:41 (five years ago)
interestingly this version of "jealousy" transitions from the disco mix to the house mix at the end, i wonder if that's what the album edit will be like? the album edit is around 4 minutes
― ufo, Friday, 31 July 2020 05:51 (five years ago)
the new single might be the best one yet
― monotony, Friday, 31 July 2020 08:20 (five years ago)
from the press bio:
"Although packed to the rafters with masterclass singles, including 'Simulation', 'Jealousy', 'Incapable', 'Narcissus' and 'Murphy’s Law', it is also an ingeniously and seamlessly edited listening experience, designed to be listened to in one uninterrupted sitting, from start to dazzling finish."
― winters (josh), Friday, 31 July 2020 08:21 (five years ago)
xp though at the same time i've returned to "murphy's law" over and over in lockdown to the point where it's pretty well solidified as one of my top songs of 2020
― monotony, Friday, 31 July 2020 08:21 (five years ago)
good spot!
I'm totally into the idea of the album being a tight comp of edits of bongers we already know, though it has the potential of being a waste without radio play to send ppl out to earning appearances by Mickey Murphy's Daughter :(
(xpost ooh)
drunk midnight youtubing, it also turns out there was an eight-minute cutdown of the 12-minute original for the Simulation video btw
the first two solo albums are still very good! but no problem assuming this will be on par with those, and it's lovely that she's held onto the Parrot collaboration so long and finally made a single album out of their work.
― Steppin' RZA (sic), Friday, 31 July 2020 08:29 (five years ago)
the album version of simulation is 8 min but a little longer than the video edit
― ufo, Friday, 31 July 2020 08:33 (five years ago)
vinyl pre-ordered. saddened by absence of jacuzzi rollercoaster on the album.
― closed beta (NotEnough), Friday, 31 July 2020 08:53 (five years ago)
This album is all Crooked Man joints! Jacuzzi Rollercoaster was one of eight tracks on her Maurice Fulton collab 12"s
― Steppin' RZA (sic), Friday, 31 July 2020 09:00 (five years ago)
it would have been nice if she'd put out an album compiling those 2018 singles but you can just do that yourself at least
― ufo, Friday, 31 July 2020 09:42 (five years ago)
"Something More" is new on UK Spotify today: 4:01 edit, 7:57 extended.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 31 July 2020 11:28 (five years ago)
“The album is called Róisín Machine because I am a machine. I never stop.”
― winters (josh), Friday, 31 July 2020 16:53 (five years ago)
omg "something more." just imagining the silly shit i would pull to this on the dance floor.
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 31 July 2020 16:59 (five years ago)
i would pre-order but i'm not sure if i would ever get it :|. ordered a PAN vinyl in may and i think it's still in the uk.
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 31 July 2020 17:06 (five years ago)
This album is all Crooked Man joints!
Is it all Parrot? Don't get me wrong, I like each of these tracks, to a point, sometimes a high point, but most of them really do drag. Almost every one outstays it's welcome and even though this bpm is *very me* I want them to be zippier. There's a lethargy in them that I find a bit depressing. I'm sure that's a very unpopular opinion on here, though.
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Friday, 31 July 2020 22:56 (five years ago)
It's quite possible that R Machine feels the same way, actually, as she mentioned on something (was it the chat with Jessie Ware?) that the parrot collab was done now.
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Friday, 31 July 2020 23:00 (five years ago)
“Róisín Machine is the culmination of a rich, decades-long partnership between Murphy and one of her most trusted collaborators Crooked Man aka DJ Parrot.”
― Steppin' RZA (sic), Friday, 31 July 2020 23:11 (five years ago)
while I'm c+p'ing, Something More was written by Amy Douglas:
"I asked her to write me a song about never being full or satisfied, exponential need," Murphy says. "She sent a very basic but brilliant demo very soon after, just her singing and playing a piano. The challenge then is to get the music direction right, the arrangement and the voicing."
Murphy described "Something More" as "a swansong to how we once lived, there's plenty of bravado in the lyrics and the character is a kind of antihero but the indefinable yearning and the feeling of arriving at a point of emptiness is universal right now!"
I'm assuming the Amy Douglas who is half of Peach Melba with Juan Maclean
― Steppin' RZA (sic), Friday, 31 July 2020 23:15 (five years ago)
Never Saw It Coming Amy/Parrot joint was probably my tune of 2019. Amazing that she wrote Something More! She's quite the force of nature.
again, for those that haven't heard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq_IWcNfJOk
And yes, sic, I know what people write in press releases!
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Friday, 31 July 2020 23:32 (five years ago)
Never Saw It Coming is one of those rare tracks where I/you thought, "oh I haven't heard this track for years"/"oh fuck, this is brand new!" when it came out. I think it was/is a classic straight off the bat. You felt like you knew it as soon as you heard it.
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Friday, 31 July 2020 23:35 (five years ago)
although this is ABSOLUTELY THEE VERSION of Never Saw It Coming:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4n52BSVz5c
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Friday, 31 July 2020 23:47 (five years ago)
Boo-boo Boo-Boo-Rappo Boo-BooBoo-boo Boo-Boo-Rappo Boo-BooBoo-boo Boo-Boo-Rappo Boo-BooBoo-boo Boo-Boo-Rappo Boo-Boo
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Friday, 31 July 2020 23:49 (five years ago)
"inside, there's nothing lefthere's a pencil, go and draw your breath"
fkng amazing.
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Saturday, 1 August 2020 00:06 (five years ago)
Had never heard that - thanks! (FYI discogs says two remixes by Crooked Man, but the original is written with and produced by a NYC guy)
I guess the press release doesn't say that anyone else didn't produce anything on Machine, but it does seem to intentionally imply that it's all Parrot.
― Steppin' RZA (sic), Saturday, 1 August 2020 01:27 (five years ago)
here's the audio for the full-length Something More btw
― Steppin' RZA (sic), Saturday, 1 August 2020 01:29 (five years ago)
she previously said before the album was announced that it was all produced by him?
― ufo, Saturday, 1 August 2020 01:33 (five years ago)
Had never heard that - thanks!
Very happy to have introduced you to it but amazed as well, sic, wtf?!
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Saturday, 1 August 2020 01:59 (five years ago)
I'm gen. amazed!
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Saturday, 1 August 2020 02:00 (five years ago)
I'm delighted, tbh.
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Saturday, 1 August 2020 02:06 (five years ago)
I have played that out in Glasgow and had a room of people singing every word of the track. That probably says a lot about Glasgow and also skews my perception of the general reception of the track.
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Saturday, 1 August 2020 02:15 (five years ago)
The quote in Josh's revive a month ago still only implies it, now I look again. It's a pretty safe bet though!
We can treat that Amy Douglas jam as a sister song to the Roisin album
― Steppin' RZA (sic), Saturday, 1 August 2020 02:24 (five years ago)
totally. best sister.
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Saturday, 1 August 2020 02:39 (five years ago)
sic, also worth checking out "Walls (Subsidence version)" by crooked man w/ Amy Douglas. I won't embed it, I don't want to turn this into an Amy Douglas thread.
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Saturday, 1 August 2020 02:47 (five years ago)
https://crooked-man.bandcamp.com/track/walls-subsidence-version
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Saturday, 1 August 2020 02:49 (five years ago)
it's all Parrot
― winters (josh), Saturday, 1 August 2020 04:12 (five years ago)
Damn, all this Amy Douglas stuff on Spotify is HOT!!!
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 1 August 2020 04:17 (five years ago)
Love “Never Saw It Coming”, but prefer the Crooked Man Remix to the Dub.
― Tim F, Saturday, 1 August 2020 04:25 (five years ago)
Amy on writing for Roisin, last October:
I’m starting to write songs for Róisín Murphy. That’s another biggie. I have a very deep and meaningful relationship with Ms. Murphy. Whenever I hear myself say that, I get a lump in my throat because I can’t even really believe that I’m saying it. She and I are linked, and that’s forever, and yeah, so I’m starting to write songs for her upcoming ventures, some of which will be duets, some of which will be solo stuff. We’re not even sure what it is.Basically, my task was to go home and fuckin’ write songs… mother fucker. If she had told me to get on all fours and bark like a dog for 37 hours, I probably would have been grateful to do so.
Basically, my task was to go home and fuckin’ write songs… mother fucker. If she had told me to get on all fours and bark like a dog for 37 hours, I probably would have been grateful to do so.
Turns out they met when Douglas was in London to record for a duo project she has coming up with Joe Goddard. Roisin invited her to a seminar Weatherall was holding - Amy credits Weatherall with breaking Never Saw It Coming - and they went out on the lash afterward.
― Steppin' RZA (sic), Saturday, 1 August 2020 09:34 (five years ago)
I've always known it's pronounced Ro-sheen but that doesn't stop my stupid brain from reading it as Roy-sin every single time xps― chonky floof (groovypanda), Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:17 PM (three days ago) I think the point is it's actually rosh-in― or something, Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:20 PM (three days ago)
― chonky floof (groovypanda), Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:17 PM (three days ago)
― or something, Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:20 PM (three days ago)
Nah, the fada over the 'ó' and 'í' generally indicates a long vowel, so it is indeed Row-Sheen. Up north, we pronounce it Rosh-sheen, but that wouldn't be the case in Leinster (where Ms. Murphy is from).
― Number None, Sunday, 2 August 2020 10:19 (five years ago)
Hiya Sue! Fresh mix alert!!! Tune into @BBC6Music for my #desertislanddisco MIX and a little chat with @laurenlaverne SOON!!! 🖤🖤🖤 pic.twitter.com/9K7yxbpbNR— Róisín Murphy (@roisinmurphy) September 11, 2020
― groovypanda, Friday, 11 September 2020 07:45 (five years ago)
haha! she'd be so funny to hang about with.
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Friday, 11 September 2020 11:53 (five years ago)
looks like the album got pushed back a week at some point?
very interesting tidbit from recent interviews is she's already working on a new album that's being produced by dj koze
― ufo, Thursday, 24 September 2020 10:18 (five years ago)
yes - album was pushed back to october 2 due to "processing delays". one more week to go!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdchN81AkrA
― monotony, Friday, 25 September 2020 08:20 (five years ago)
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/sep/19/roisin-murphy-in-my-pregnancy-i-was-fed-like-a-goose-being-fattened-up
― djh, Friday, 25 September 2020 09:25 (five years ago)
That "Something More" vid is majestic, and I don't even care about the song that much
― timber euros (seandalai), Saturday, 26 September 2020 01:45 (five years ago)
I think the song itself is great, it's just let down by dreary production. A track that sounds like it couldn't even be bothered getting out of bed.
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Saturday, 26 September 2020 12:17 (five years ago)
Quietus interview, including the nugget that one song on Roisin Machine was inspired by discovering a K-Punk review of Moloko last year.
Please don’t stop dancing – that’s another part of my manifesto. I dance round the park and in my house. Scientists know for a fact it’s the best cardiovascular activity for your brain. It burns pathways, it’s maths and motion and absurdity and poetry. It’s magic stuff. I’ve never stopped dancing… and the record is like going back to that girl in the flat in Stockport, freaking out to Biting Tongues, rolling around on my orange sofa.
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Thursday, 1 October 2020 08:45 (five years ago)
from the guardian interview - "the horror of andouillette"
whatever, I actually like this dish
― octobeard, Thursday, 1 October 2020 08:47 (five years ago)
new album unsurprisingly quite good but none of the previously unreleased tracks are among the best on it
― ufo, Friday, 2 October 2020 04:23 (five years ago)
agree although I love “game changer” with its callbacks to “murphy’s law” and rhythm that seems part “the dreaming” and part...something from ruby blue, maybe.
the continuous mix nature of it all means that even some of the singles that I’ve been rinsing for years feel fresh
― monotony, Friday, 2 October 2020 04:37 (five years ago)
also, kudos to those brave enough to stomach andouilette
Narcissus with the RTE concert orchestra:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj61gk8ToLQ
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Friday, 2 October 2020 06:21 (five years ago)
Looking forward to hearing the continuous mix (!!) but on this: the digital version apparently comes with previously-released long versions of the six singles as bonus tracks: the Original Mix-es of Simulation, Incapable and Murphy's Law, the Extended Mix of Murphy's Law, the Disco Mix of Jealousy, and the 2019 re-recording or edit or w/e of Narcissus - all now labelled "Extended Mix"
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Friday, 2 October 2020 07:00 (five years ago)
And it's glorious.
― octobeard, Friday, 2 October 2020 07:03 (five years ago)
Wow, I put this on this morning when it came on my release radar, and several hours later, I've listened to it 3 or 4 times in a row, and I've basically forgotten that any other music even exists?!?!?
― Branwell with an N, Friday, 2 October 2020 13:52 (five years ago)
today is a good day
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 2 October 2020 14:04 (five years ago)
this rules (obviously)
― the typo doer (Simon H.), Friday, 2 October 2020 14:25 (five years ago)
sure seems like the best album ever
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 2 October 2020 15:51 (five years ago)
personally i'm ready to proclaim this the godlike masterpiece that it is
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 2 October 2020 16:10 (five years ago)
right there with you, Brad!
― winters (josh), Friday, 2 October 2020 17:43 (five years ago)
― ufo, Friday, July 31, 2020 3:41 PM (two months ago)
WELP
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Friday, 2 October 2020 21:28 (five years ago)
holy shit the propulsive disco string arrangement on the album version of Narcissus
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Friday, 2 October 2020 21:32 (five years ago)
HOLY shit at the album version of Jealousy
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Friday, 2 October 2020 21:53 (five years ago)
i don't think this is going to end up replacing hairless toys as my favourite of her solo albums but it still really rules
― ufo, Saturday, 3 October 2020 02:54 (five years ago)
also the album version of "jealousy" definitely loses a lot by only being 4 minutes and just fading out
― ufo, Saturday, 3 October 2020 03:13 (five years ago)
we already have plenty of long versions of it, and the album version is so exciting, it's a joyous climax that the album has built up to 💃💃
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Saturday, 3 October 2020 04:22 (five years ago)
new to me, B-sides from the Overpowered era:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CEgNB8TZ64
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVCARpAsG-g
― timber euros (seandalai), Sunday, 4 October 2020 18:04 (five years ago)
this is a disappointment for me tbh. i think i got very attached to a few of the remixes (the cosmodelica remix of murphy's law is stunning, incredible piano lines everywhere) and the album versions are all letting me down.
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Sunday, 4 October 2020 18:16 (five years ago)
Her best album since Overpowered, despite a couple okay things.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 October 2020 19:17 (five years ago)
i'm really baffled about the version of 'incapable' on here when the 'extended edit' is clearly superior. it's not even that much longer (:30 or so), it just gets the timing right on introducing the elegaic chords in the bridge and is generally more tightly structured.
'we got together' is .. bad imo.
sorry don't mean to shit up this thread, maybe it will grow on me :|
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Sunday, 4 October 2020 20:50 (five years ago)
I imagine the shorter edit of “Incapable” being a matter of vinyl formatting, but I really wouldn’t know
― winters (josh), Sunday, 4 October 2020 23:44 (five years ago)
oh i hadn't noticed the way the album version of "incapable" has those synths come in during the chorus instead of the bridge, really weird
i'm not exactly sure which "extended edit" you mean though, the original "edit" was 3:30 which is actually shorter than the album version, but it works better
the biggest problem i have with the short "jealousy" is the fade-out because it really needs the definitive ending of the original to close out the album properly when it's such an explosion of energy
― ufo, Monday, 5 October 2020 00:06 (five years ago)
Discogs user notes "Incapable and Game Changer are both slightly longer than their CD and digital counterparts, as they fade out cleanly instead of segueing into the next track."
Game Changer feels a little like a throwback to Ruby Blue imo, with the vocal melody in the verse being sketched in the margins, and the syncopate-y handclap.
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Monday, 5 October 2020 02:06 (five years ago)
We Got Together is one of my favourite tracks on this, like the massive WHOMP! of the bass just does something to my lizard brain.
But, y'know, hey, people like different things in music.
― Branwell with an N, Monday, 5 October 2020 09:12 (five years ago)
Kingdom of Ends and We Got Together both make the album better IMO simply by virtue of mixing things up a bit.
― Jeff W, Monday, 5 October 2020 09:43 (five years ago)
“kingdom of ends” is one of her very best songs imo
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 5 October 2020 11:38 (five years ago)
I really like Jessie Ware so I don't say this to denigrate but this is better. Jessie is only like 95% fabulous whereas Roisin is like 120%
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 5 October 2020 13:26 (five years ago)
different flavors of fabulousness imo
― the typo doer (Simon H.), Monday, 5 October 2020 13:51 (five years ago)
Roisin Murphy is more of a person or personage while Jessie Ware strives for and achieves disco-era anonymity.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 October 2020 13:57 (five years ago)
the continuous mix nature of this record is what sends it over for me. this is why i can't really knock the album edit of "incapable" (not that i'm a good enough listener to really distinguish how it's different from the single edit? which i don't remember if i've even heard) bc the focus of the album is not about songs working in isolation but songs working on each other
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 5 October 2020 15:01 (five years ago)
sorry if this is rockist of me
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 5 October 2020 15:02 (five years ago)
the arrangement is prob altered bc at the point where "incapable" lands in the tracklisting you're not exactly in the mood for a song to build up gradually, just start rockin' those synths if you got em
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 5 October 2020 15:07 (five years ago)
First 3 songs here represent her best work since Overpowered imo
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 5 October 2020 15:24 (five years ago)
RA Exchange 527: Roisin Murphyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEXEk7QVba4
― davey, Monday, 5 October 2020 16:09 (five years ago)
haven't seen brad in the RYM shoutbox calling this AOTY yet. therefore unsure whether to give it a listen
― Chip-vill-A (imago), Monday, 5 October 2020 20:25 (five years ago)
j/k let's go
the focus of the album is not about songs working in isolation but songs working on each other
yeah exactly. if you're frustrated that this version isn't 12 minutes long, you can get that elsewhere; meanwhile, hear this other song!
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Monday, 5 October 2020 20:30 (five years ago)
tbf if you can pull off an Introspective then it's no bad thing. but that requires you to only have six songs ready
― Chip-vill-A (imago), Monday, 5 October 2020 20:32 (five years ago)
holy fucking shit the intro of Kingdom Of Ends is a cover of Hawkwind's Assault & Battery!!!!!
― Chip-vill-A (imago), Monday, 5 October 2020 20:35 (five years ago)
LJ be aware that there are 8-12 minute original versions of most of the songs here, and several of them have 45-minute-long remix suites by the co-author. if you love the album versions you might need medical supervision to listen further
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Monday, 5 October 2020 20:37 (five years ago)
this album is cannily not going for big catharsis or hugeness, it's playing a much slower and subtler game. intriguing. production is v on-point
― Chip-vill-A (imago), Monday, 5 October 2020 20:46 (five years ago)
like, for all that this is a slow-burn tease, there are engaging little details that keep me alert. currently the bassline to Shellfish Mademoiselle is that little detail
― Chip-vill-A (imago), Monday, 5 October 2020 20:50 (five years ago)
good album. first half >> second half
― Chip-vill-A (imago), Monday, 5 October 2020 21:21 (five years ago)
yes, hard agree there
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 5 October 2020 22:25 (five years ago)
this album is super cool
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 October 2020 23:32 (five years ago)
Would also,like to say that my 7yo daughter also being a huge Roisin fan is one of the joys of my life: watching the home performances and dancing round together to the new album. a+.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 01:14 (five years ago)
that is adorable and very sweet. one of my most cherished memories from that age is hearing Thriller for the first time and jumping around to it with my parents. probably very common to remember and treasure the records that made us RLLY WANNA DANCE when we were super little :))
― davey, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 03:56 (five years ago)
Nobody in my family asked me what I was playing, even though one by one as they entered the room they started dancing.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 12:52 (five years ago)
Róisín’s hosting a Tim’s Twitter Listening Party thing on the album as I type.
― Jeff W, Thursday, 8 October 2020 20:16 (five years ago)
So here we are, an album listening party. Although this record draws on disco, dance club culture, past present and future. It is very much an album, deliberately so. The songs have been edited, dubbed out and segued together to create an album listening experience.It’s not a record for the club, it’s for this purpose that we are about to partake in……
It’s not a record for the club, it’s for this purpose that we are about to partake in……
Many of you will know that I made this record with my old friend, long time music brother Richard Barratt aka Parrot aka Crooked Man. We also had Fat Dave at the controls and on guitar and keys. Let’s just take a moment to big him up.In so many ways this record represents a return to something for me. To Sheffield, to the music scene that made me, a return to the soul of the dance floor.
In so many ways this record represents a return to something for me. To Sheffield, to the music scene that made me, a return to the soul of the dance floor.
Finally, I get an intro suitable for a queen. I feel my story is still untold but I’ll make my own happy ending. Mission statement for sure.
Simulation
Written ten years ago, released on Permanent Vacation in 2012. The backing track for Simulation was given to me straight after I finished Overpowered, along with a handful more. Most of which have actually found their way on the album, that is to say this record was already a pretty fully-formed entity ten years ago. It was there on paper.The high hats!Simulation is one of my favourite things that I’ve ever done. It’s spectral in its range of frequencies. There’s real dark darkness and real ecstatic euphoria.Aye not a bad way to make an entrance! #youalrightlove?
The high hats!
Simulation is one of my favourite things that I’ve ever done. It’s spectral in its range of frequencies. There’s real dark darkness and real ecstatic euphoria.
Aye not a bad way to make an entrance! #youalrightlove?
Taking you out of the sweat up and over into a kind of utopia. Love yourself people!! 🥰
Kingdom Of Ends
One of the last things completed for the album, certainly tinged with the feelings of the moment, it having been written in lockdown. There’s a theme going through the record ‘is that all there is?’ Not very original, but prescient.This song is a kind of dedication to Mark Fisher, I’ve used many of the phrases he uses in his writing in this song and his pre-occupations of the end of desire and the end of capitalism. I’m deliberately trying to channel Bryan Ferry in places here.Mark Fisher had me as the last princess of glam. Which perhaps I am? My manager is also a fantastic singer and she can heard in the ecstatic backing vocals. Lockdown brought some of the best out of all of us.
This song is a kind of dedication to Mark Fisher, I’ve used many of the phrases he uses in his writing in this song and his pre-occupations of the end of desire and the end of capitalism. I’m deliberately trying to channel Bryan Ferry in places here.
Mark Fisher had me as the last princess of glam. Which perhaps I am?
My manager is also a fantastic singer and she can heard in the ecstatic backing vocals. Lockdown brought some of the best out of all of us.
Parrot in my hanging chair back in the day! #SHEFFEEELLLL #TimsTwitterListeningParty pic.twitter.com/ILV6kBrJuf— Róisín Murphy (@roisinmurphy) October 8, 2020
Something More
Lovely new intro on this version, what what??! And the new Exorcist tubular bells I loveThis is the only time I've ever asked someone to write for me. To be honest Murphy’s Law was such a good song, I wanted to take the pressure off myself by having something to match it, to balance the record. So I asked Amy Douglas to write me a song about exponential need, about wanting more and more and more.This wonderful song was written overnight and couldn’t have been more perfect for me. It’s like having a perfect dress made. It’s couture bitches. I love you @AmyDouglasSings xxx
This is the only time I've ever asked someone to write for me. To be honest Murphy’s Law was such a good song, I wanted to take the pressure off myself by having something to match it, to balance the record. So I asked Amy Douglas to write me a song about exponential need, about wanting more and more and more.
This wonderful song was written overnight and couldn’t have been more perfect for me. It’s like having a perfect dress made. It’s couture bitches. I love you @AmyDouglasSings xxx
Shellfish Mademoiselle
What a funky funky funky Sheffield beat! I’d love to hear this on a system with friends. Our icecream’s not melted yet kids. It really is delightfully feminine this song, what a light touch Parrot has.Squeezed a bit of microdosing in there.Of course I wrote the lyric ‘I shouldn’t really be dancing at a time like this’ it was written in lockdown. How dare you sentence me to a lifetime without dancing, it’s a cliche I know, but hey it works......Anyway it’s a metaphor. Full of innuendo. Wink wink. Dancing and loving. It’s about getting as much of that as possible because life’s too short.
Squeezed a bit of microdosing in there.Of course I wrote the lyric ‘I shouldn’t really be dancing at a time like this’ it was written in lockdown. How dare you sentence me to a lifetime without dancing, it’s a cliche I know, but hey it works......
Anyway it’s a metaphor. Full of innuendo. Wink wink. Dancing and loving. It’s about getting as much of that as possible because life’s too short.
Incapable
I always call Incapable ‘she’. It’s such a characterful track and the music is so perfectly balanced. It has great equilibrium.It took Parrot a while to finish this cos he couldn’t imagine people dancing to a bird singing ‘I’m incapable’ !! But you know I always like to bring little EXTRAAnyway what was I saying about her? She is rather conceited, she is saying things they don’t usually say in pop songs. It says ‘I got away with it, I’m unscathed’
It took Parrot a while to finish this cos he couldn’t imagine people dancing to a bird singing ‘I’m incapable’ !! But you know I always like to bring little EXTRA
Anyway what was I saying about her? She is rather conceited, she is saying things they don’t usually say in pop songs. It says ‘I got away with it, I’m unscathed’
We Got Together
This was a chant I did over the end of Flash of Light live. Parrot heard it and liked it and built this track around the lyric idea.I get so much from that one little bit of lyric, we got together-that’s great, we got together in the past-I wish we could get tougher now, we all got together, we got toggery didn’t we? Or am I just imagining it?......The meaning shifts. It’s almost impossible not to do the running man when this one comes onBut incredibly brave choices Dave and Parrot made in the studio when they built this track, what swagger!
I get so much from that one little bit of lyric, we got together-that’s great, we got together in the past-I wish we could get tougher now, we all got together, we got toggery didn’t we? Or am I just imagining it?
......The meaning shifts. It’s almost impossible not to do the running man when this one comes on
But incredibly brave choices Dave and Parrot made in the studio when they built this track, what swagger!
When we found a home for this record. This delightful man believed in us and hey, look where we are. @generalisation ❤️ pic.twitter.com/aUuZd7mTmx— Róisín Murphy (@roisinmurphy) October 8, 2020
Murphy's Law
What can I say about Murphy’s Law? I reckon it’s a stone cold classic, lads. The original version of this we were uncomfortable with, due to the high cheese levels. Nervous I should say. Although we know we were onto something good.....Originally it was in a higher key. Wondered if that was the problem so I asked Parrot to transpose the whole thing down. I copied transposed vocal and replaced it, but we never could quite let go of this gender-bent transposed vocal. What you hear now is a blend of the two.It just needed something a little ‘off’ to make it feel right. I love how it doesn’t take its too seriously and just sits back and relaxes in the groove.Although we are in borderline cheese territory, somehow it remains super-cool. And if there’s going to be a law, why not Murphy’s Law? Sebi created these backing vocals, shout out going to the Big Wallop.
Originally it was in a higher key. Wondered if that was the problem so I asked Parrot to transpose the whole thing down. I copied transposed vocal and replaced it, but we never could quite let go of this gender-bent transposed vocal. What you hear now is a blend of the two.
It just needed something a little ‘off’ to make it feel right. I love how it doesn’t take its too seriously and just sits back and relaxes in the groove.
Although we are in borderline cheese territory, somehow it remains super-cool. And if there’s going to be a law, why not Murphy’s Law? Sebi created these backing vocals, shout out going to the Big Wallop.
Game Changer
This is one of my favourites. We’re in the funky room, people are jazz dancing doing the splits and spinning on their backs. This album really is like a big building of rooms for having fun.There is a gorgeous studio 54 space, there is a funky room, there is a UK bass sound system, there is a loft and there is a cellar - and the cellar is Sheffield. Pure and simple.I guess it’s another song about resignation to one’s fate about succumbing, about playing with each other. I love this wailing backing vocal I managed to squeeze out, I was trying to channel Van Morrison.
There is a gorgeous studio 54 space, there is a funky room, there is a UK bass sound system, there is a loft and there is a cellar - and the cellar is Sheffield. Pure and simple.
I guess it’s another song about resignation to one’s fate about succumbing, about playing with each other. I love this wailing backing vocal I managed to squeeze out, I was trying to channel Van Morrison.
Narcissus
With beautiful string arrangement by Eddie Stevens, shout going out to booze man StevensIn the studio, it seemed the track made me think of the word Narcissus which I began to chant over it. I then had to go and look up the myth, it was then just a simple case of inhabiting the characters of Echo. I’m calling out to all those fabulous magnetic men in my life.Not saying narcissist, just pronouncing it Narcisciss for some reason 🤔
In the studio, it seemed the track made me think of the word Narcissus which I began to chant over it. I then had to go and look up the myth, it was then just a simple case of inhabiting the characters of Echo. I’m calling out to all those fabulous magnetic men in my life.
Not saying narcissist, just pronouncing it Narcisciss for some reason 🤔
Jealousy
Pitchfork said ‘…starts in thrall to that destructive emotion and stays there. "jealousy" she chants as if demanding her own humanity….’What a stomper, they don’t come around like this too often, lads. This track is literally hysterical.Get your roller-skates on and lets go round and round and round and round and round and round.A lot of art is about an almighty struggle in the very soul of its creator, by the way. You alright, Sue?And though this is an explosive end track, we are still left on the edge of our desire. Teetering on the edge of it. And the build is still going strong.
What a stomper, they don’t come around like this too often, lads. This track is literally hysterical.Get your roller-skates on and lets go round and round and round and round and round and round.
A lot of art is about an almighty struggle in the very soul of its creator, by the way. You alright, Sue?
And though this is an explosive end track, we are still left on the edge of our desire. Teetering on the edge of it. And the build is still going strong.
― Covidiots from UHF (sic), Thursday, 8 October 2020 23:25 (five years ago)
This is a simulation. This is a simulation.
― Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Thursday, 8 October 2020 23:34 (five years ago)
thanks for taking note of all of these Sic!
― piscesx, Thursday, 8 October 2020 23:45 (five years ago)
I generally find those Tims Listening Parties irritating (they have a habit of taking over one's timeline) but these are wonderful insights into an amazing album.
This stuff seems to be getting a lot of traction in non-music-nerd settings, at least in my neighbourhood? Twice in the past few days, I've had to go by ~trouble spots for environmental sound~ (a builders' site on my road where they serenade the whole street with their music choices; an incredibly loud pumping exercise class that meets on top of the Common) and kind of bracing myself for the sensory onslaught and how bad it is going to be...
...and both spaces have beeen playing Roisin Murphy tracks the last times I have walked by? Which has been a really pleasant surprise when it's turned into music?
― Branwell with an N, Friday, 9 October 2020 06:49 (five years ago)
I've only gotten to the end of this once because I keep playing the first three tracks over and over
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 9 October 2020 23:00 (five years ago)
Hairless Toys finally clicked for me today. It was always my least favorite of her albums but today it sounds really damn good
― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 16:16 (five years ago)
Haven't followed Murphy closely but Narcissus > Jealousy bowled me over
― Indexed, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 15:53 (five years ago)
I see now Narcissus was a 2019 single and that they pushed the strings to the intro (to get this onto dancefloors?). Brilliant track.
― Indexed, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 16:02 (five years ago)
yes. i managed to play narcissus at the right moment in a set and it was all hands in the air.
― davey, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 21:49 (five years ago)
An earlier version was out in 2017!
― huge rant (sic), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 22:32 (five years ago)
🎄Christmas has come early🎄Murphy’s Law rules today @BBC6Music surrender to the cheeky bum wiggling wit and disco decadence! 💜 it ... ... join @laurenlaverne @maryannehobbs @shaunwkeaveny @steve_lamacq to hear more ... #sleighhomeravesafe https://t.co/Y7yiZVWfvw— Nemone (@nemonemetaxas) December 1, 2020
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 12:04 (five years ago)
New Crooked Man remix of Jealousy.
― huge rant (sic), Friday, 18 December 2020 20:34 (five years ago)
Mix for Mary Ann Hobbs yesterday:https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000q8x6
― groovypanda, Sunday, 20 December 2020 09:45 (five years ago)
She's also "taking over" 6Music on Tuesday
― groovypanda, Sunday, 20 December 2020 09:47 (five years ago)
😍
Are you ready to dance?💚 Róisín Murphy's giving you a green light to lose yourself on Tuesday morning.Listen live or rewind for 30 days on @BBCSounds https://t.co/C8pHibQcTM pic.twitter.com/qAHXu1uauB— BBC Radio 6 Music (@BBC6Music) December 21, 2020
― groovypanda, Monday, 21 December 2020 18:52 (five years ago)
i'm increasingly of the opinion that the maurice fulton collabs are easily the best things she's done and that i want to like her 2020 more than i actually do (sorry to be that guy itt).
― ffolkes (map), Monday, 21 December 2020 18:56 (five years ago)
that's where I'm at too. I love her as a popstar personality but I wish she'd make another "Plaything" or "Let Me Know"
― boxedjoy, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 08:29 (five years ago)
There's bunch of extra stuff on the iSoundser in addition to today's Róisín "takeover" broadcast.
Her main two-and-a-half-hour radio DJ set, including a 2020 Ewan Pearson mix of Happy Mondays' Hallelujah, a new Crooked Man joint and an unreleased mix of Jealousy:https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000qkbx
A 1-hour Hot Chip DJ mix commissioned by Roisin:https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000qzj5
and from the archives, all an hour long:
Róisín live in March 2020:https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000qhkw
Her doing an hour of radio in Iggy Pop's slot last year:https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000qvks
Talking through musical milestones in her life*, recorded in 2016:https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06dclbz
And a retrospective made up of old interviews & records:https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000qhkq
*She also picked Weatherall's 2011 version of this to be repeated over the air today: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00z7hx0
― huge rant (sic), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 10:46 (five years ago)
I wonder how cool Murphy's golden dove badge was before Lady Gaga ripped it off?
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 21 January 2021 04:06 (five years ago)
There was a big compare/contrast blog post circa 2009, showing various Roisin fits and later Gaga ones.
― shivers me timber (sic), Thursday, 21 January 2021 04:18 (five years ago)
Have just realised the track I was planning on voting for in the poll wasn't even nominated 🤦♂️
― groovypanda, Thursday, 21 January 2021 08:34 (five years ago)
Just vote for Murphy's Law then 👍
― or something, Thursday, 21 January 2021 11:18 (five years ago)
that's what i did when i had the same realization
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 21 January 2021 14:22 (five years ago)
i'm trying to find out who played the piano on the cosmodelica remix of murphy's law.
i'm just finding out that cosmodelica is one colleen murphy, who has what looks like a high-profile radio show. i wonder if she played it. anyone know?
― map ca. 1890 (map), Monday, 8 March 2021 20:07 (four years ago)
almost certainly Darren Morris
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Monday, 8 March 2021 20:30 (four years ago)
THANK YOU!!!
now that looks like an interesting body of work...
― map ca. 1890 (map), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 03:47 (four years ago)
Assuming that's the same Colleen Murphy who worked regularly with David Mancuso? xps
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 10 March 2021 09:27 (four years ago)
Yep!
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 10:24 (four years ago)
jealousyjealousyjealousyjealousyJEALOUSYJEALOUSYJEALOUSYJEA-LOU-SEEEEEEE
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 10:38 (four years ago)
Never made that connection between Cosmo and Cosmodelica!
― Cocteau Twinks (jed_), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 15:58 (four years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o9esb6yMwc
― groovypanda, Thursday, 11 March 2021 09:53 (four years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUJnjNR_dnQ
― groovypanda, Thursday, 11 March 2021 09:54 (four years ago)
ok now i want a roisin album that has spanish guitar everywhere
― ufo, Thursday, 11 March 2021 10:49 (four years ago)
these are really great acoustic versions
― ufo, Thursday, 11 March 2021 10:51 (four years ago)
https://www.brooklynvegan.com/roisin-murphy-announces-new-album-crooked-machine-shares-assimilation/
remix album crooked machine out in a few weeks. "assimilation" sounds pretty good!
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 15:09 (four years ago)
i'm ready
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 15:13 (four years ago)
nice
― John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 15:25 (four years ago)
i hope one of these is an extended version of 'shellfish mademoiselle'
― John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 15:27 (four years ago)
Holy shit, that Simulation redo is incredible!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTuHdqMRDBM
― Cocteau Twinks (jed_), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 15:33 (four years ago)
God bless her
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 16:03 (four years ago)
remix album crooked machine out in a few weeks.
dangit now I have to retitle my compilation of the 20-50 minutes per single of crooked mixes
(nb Crooked Man topped 50min of remixes on his own 2016 single Happiness, including a 14-minute "24-inch" version that plays like a classic disco arrangement with natural builds and peaks) BTW there was a third part to those "live, up a tree in Ibiza" videos, uploaded a week later:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlfdU-jslm4
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:19 (four years ago)
oh man, so good
― John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:28 (four years ago)
Kingdom of Machines - KINGDOM OF ENDSEcho Returns - NARCISSUSCapable Rhythm - INCAPABLEAssimilation - SIMULATIONCrooken Machine - ??Less is More - SOMETHING MOREName Changer - GAME CHANGERWe are the Law - MURPHY'S LAWHardcore Jealousy - JEALOUSY
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:44 (four years ago)
"Crooken Machine" is actually titled "Crooken Madame" so that would be SHELLFISH MADEMOISELLE
― winters (josh), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 19:24 (four years ago)
so, these are all brand new, not previous mixes/versions?
― Cocteau Twinks (jed_), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 19:46 (four years ago)
ta josh!
none of these have the same names as previously-released mixes, and it's very on-brand for Parrot to remix the entire album again.
Narcissus with the RTE concert orchestra
She managed another couple of live TV appearances between lockdowns last year too.
Murphy's Law on the Graham Norton Show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PYHxliMtWM
Incapable with the Rhythm & Blues Orchestra on Jools Holland's Hootenanny:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87XX0qI5tew
and a cover of Let's Dance, also with the big band and Jools:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjEveAgI6MY
plus an acoustic session / interview for Esquire, with the same guitarist as her at-home acoustic videos, doing the three Roisin Machine songs they did amongst those. which we didn't clock itt!:
IncapableMurphy's LawSomething MoreGolden Era / Familar FeelingThe Time Is Now
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 20:31 (four years ago)
i like "assimilation" more than "simulation"! excited for this
― ufo, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 20:48 (four years ago)
same!
― Cocteau Twinks (jed_), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 21:14 (four years ago)
Crooked Machine youtube playlist here.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 01:43 (four years ago)
i was kinda underwhelmed by the album after how much i liked "assimilation". certainly not bad or anything just not anything to be excited by either
― ufo, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 02:23 (four years ago)
thanks to the whole st. vincent stuff I had a dream I did an absolutely awful interview with her in which I screwed up to an extent that there was open hostility
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 16:52 (four years ago)
Xpost: ditto “assimilation” was even better than the album version but the rest of the remixes leave me lukewarm. I still think it’s a great remix album but I wouldn’t play it over the original.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 17:08 (four years ago)
Kingdom of Machines works in a very different way to KoE. I'd say it's at least as good.
― Cocteau Twinks (jed_), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 17:47 (four years ago)
We Are The Law bears little relation to ML, it's a completely new and great track. I'm a little burnt out on ML tbh.
― Cocteau Twinks (jed_), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 17:53 (four years ago)
new shit coming too:
“I wrote a really great track last week… it’s got fucking oboes on it,” she joyfully exclaims from her Ibiza bolthole, where she’s currently riding out a portion of the pandemic wave. “I said I wouldn’t do disco again, but I couldn’t turn it down. It’s just an amazing arrangement.” ... “It’s gonna blow your mind,” she purrs. “It’s a whole other world. It’s fuckin’ tops down, LA… bouncing up and down on the cars. Hold tight!”
...
“It’s gonna blow your mind,” she purrs. “It’s a whole other world. It’s fuckin’ tops down, LA… bouncing up and down on the cars. Hold tight!”
As well as this top-secret new piece, she’s also been working with production maestro, DJ Koze, on music that’s steadily approaching completion. “The people who’ve heard it are really interested in it, so I think it’s gonna be a bit of a smasher.”
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 18:37 (four years ago)
I just want Ruby Blue reissued. Fleece your fans! Release it in 17 different colors. You can't make money on it when it's not for sale.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 21:40 (four years ago)
can I hear the track with the fucking oboes now
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 21:42 (four years ago)
very much looking forward to the album (?) with dj koze that's on its way
― ufo, Wednesday, 5 May 2021 03:35 (four years ago)
she joyfully exclaims from her Ibiza bolthole
I did not see that word as bolthole on the first pass lol.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 5 May 2021 03:40 (four years ago)
She did two tracks on the last Koze album, I assume she's just doing a couple of things again
It's still "in print" digitally via Echo, who otherwise seem to only release physical material for Record Store Day, with BMGCAT instead of ECH cat #s, and then only of things that were on Warner, not Echo or any of their previous owners. Seems unlikely she'd have any sway in getting them to even press up 400 copies on "splatter vinyl" for RSD 2022.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 04:09 (four years ago)
i had to check but last year she mentioned that the dj koze material is her next album that he's producing all of, very exciting
― ufo, Wednesday, 5 May 2021 06:15 (four years ago)
Yeah, interview here:
https://www.thefader.com/2020/11/06/roisin-murphy-roisin-machine-interview-dj-koze-2020
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 5 May 2021 06:19 (four years ago)
ooh, that sounds great
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 06:28 (four years ago)
yo i'm sure everyone is familiar with "the rumble" but just in case...
raw as hell fulton production over which ms. murphy delivers a deep-diver's manifesto / epic poem about love.
the video is just like peak "this is why i can't wait to go clubbing again"
― John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 16:55 (four years ago)
I had no idea about the koze project. That has the potential to be album of the decade.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 16:59 (four years ago)
she's so wild about Koze in that interview that I hope Parrot doesn't read it, he'll feel like shit.
― Cocteau Twinks (jed_), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 17:12 (four years ago)
i loved the read on her ex-husband, pretty epic to say "i had to make my own music video because he told me i shouldn't, and by the way, here's his full name."
― John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 18:05 (four years ago)
I hope Parrot doesn't read it, he'll feel like shit.
ha yes, that did read very New Relationship Energy. though she did release three-and-a-half hours of music by Parrot in the last year; I assume he's well aware that she she values him and his work.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 21:49 (four years ago)
yeah it doesn't read negative towards parrot or anything, just that working with koze more is really exciting her because his approach is so different to what she did last with parrot. there are plenty of interviews where she's filled with praise for parrot and sounds just as excited about working with him
― ufo, Wednesday, 5 May 2021 22:43 (four years ago)
Tell me something less.
― Cocteau Twinks (jed_), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 22:48 (four years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xdm1E3n9Fc
Hello, is that Great Britain talking?
It is, is that Germany? Come in, Germany. Over.
I was going to post " I don't know why this is so funny" but I know exactly why it is. It's funny because it's the stupid way you talk to people you know so well that you don't have to explain how stupid you're being, straight off the bat. And that seems like an excellent way to start a creative collaboration.
― Cocteau Twinks (jed_), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 22:57 (four years ago)
It could be a terrible one too, don't get me wrong.
― Cocteau Twinks (jed_), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 22:59 (four years ago)
Surprise! Er.... (one for the ‘please can you fix, Glenn’ inbox on the Spotify thread)
https://open.spotify.com/album/0gix4jlOlBnii1ciLEF6yA?si=lyldbqGuSBOCXxNrZ9pnYQ
― Jeff W, Thursday, 6 May 2021 23:51 (four years ago)
― Cocteau Twinks (jed_), Thursday, 6 May 2021 23:57 (four years ago)
W H A T
that's actually the new squid album fyi
― ufo, Friday, 7 May 2021 00:02 (four years ago)
jealousyjealousyjealousyjealousyjealousyjealousyjealousyjealousyjealousyjealousyjealousyjealousyjealousyjealousyjealousyjealousyjealousyjealousyjealousyjealousyjealousyjealousyjealou-SYjealou-SYjealou-SYjealou-SYjealou-SYjealou-SYjealou-SYJEA-LOU-SYJEA-LOU-SYJEA-LOU-SYJEA-LOU-SYJEA-LOU-SYJEA-LOU-SYJEA-LOU-SYJEALOUSYJEALOUSYJEALOUSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 May 2021 19:29 (four years ago)
um i think it's her right now on this feed
https://watch.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/livestream-1/backup/livestream1.html
― John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Saturday, 22 May 2021 23:53 (four years ago)
yeah the schedule has her listed as performing with honey dijon
― ufo, Sunday, 23 May 2021 00:00 (four years ago)
Available to listen to for the next 4 weeks (in the UK anyway):
https://t.co/5w6ESkGskK Thank you @nemonemetaxas for the wonderful interview. My Journey in Sound is available now. Love how It ends where it all started, And Turquoise Car Crash The #forever 👍❣️ pic.twitter.com/ie34vUi7hp— Róisín Murphy (@roisinmurphy) May 24, 2021
― groovypanda, Monday, 24 May 2021 14:41 (four years ago)
club mixes of Shellfish Mademoiselle and and Kingdom Of Ends out now
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 30 May 2021 03:47 (four years ago)
That Journey Into Sound interview is really well produced: the right amount of each song picked to give the flavour of the work and time, never overpowering the carefully-edited conversation. thanks for the link!
little lol at
After an eight-year hiatus (which nonetheless included several singles, vocal features, and side projects)
ie a full second-LPs-worth of B-sides from the album sessions, touring the world, ninety minutes of new singles, half an hour of guest collabs, and an entire Ramones-length LP/double-EP they just ignored. this is a pretty decent output for a working musician at all, let alone during a "hiatus" consisting of a private equity group taking over their 80-year-old label, gutting the staff and largely dissolving the business within months of their album release! (then losing two billion in two years and selling the remnants to an investment bank) (who then broke up everything left into parts and sold it to various alcohol marketers and electronics manufacturers and telcos)
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 31 May 2021 12:11 (four years ago)
i'm not sure what you mean, she really didn't put out that much between overpowered and hairless toys, only a few one-off singles, collaborations, and her italian covers EP?
― ufo, Monday, 31 May 2021 12:22 (four years ago)
that's about three hours of material (during a time when she apparently legally couldn't record an album)! plus international touring until EMI's new owners realised someone was signing off on tour support, fashion industry stuff, and the 2010 DJ/singing touring. it's a pretty industrious hiatus.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 31 May 2021 12:48 (four years ago)
(plus it's six and a half years between the last EMI single and the first Hairless Toys one, not eight. she kept grafting imo)
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 31 May 2021 13:01 (four years ago)
Just came across this too:
Three years after making Overpowered, Murphy had a daughter, then three years later, a son. “People were all: ‘Pregnancy, this, pregnancy that.’ Then I had the babby. ‘Well, Jesus Christ, nobody told me about this bit!’” She made more money DJing in early motherhood than she did with Overpowered, which suited her then. “But it didn’t suit for too long. I had to get creative again.”
in a Fulton-era interview w/ Jude Rogers
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 1 June 2021 04:43 (four years ago)
i didn't think it amounted to that much material, not three hours anyway, was it mostly all the features etc. she did?
it's not like she disappeared or anything but it was certainly a relative lull in her career, especially compared to how prolific she's been since 2015
― ufo, Tuesday, 1 June 2021 05:47 (four years ago)
(40 minutes of Overpowered bonus tracks and b-sides, Mi Senti is half an hour, 9 headlining collabo and 4 solo singles (many longish - Simulation is 12 minutes!), and a fistful of non-single guest spots and odd tracks. Plus a live EP, but I was only counting "new" songs.)
It's definitely a less prominent period, but I was just eyebrowing at the BBC blurber calling it a "hiatus" when she was quite busy for a middle-aged pop singer at all, let alone one apparently urgently trying every option to release music while her record label was repeatedly collapsing on her, under different management, every ten months. Demon Lover (and all its remixes?) only came out on Myspace! Remember when Myspace was somewhere people put new music?!
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 1 June 2021 07:38 (four years ago)
Here's a rip of the Glastonbury performance, PA-ing two Parrot jams:
https://vimeo.com/531964255
and a new non-Crooked, non-Koze track on sale for a semi-charity album
Plus another radio show that talks through songs of her life. club mixes of Shellfish Mademoiselle and and Kingdom Of Ends out now
If she puts off the Koze album and keeps working the Machines until clubs and touring exist again, we could end up with singles of every song on it - We Got Together and Game Changer are the only two left still to get non-album remixes.
Meanwhile Parrot snuck out a 12" with the original 2017 version of Narcissus and a new? 11-minute mix of Jealousy a month ago.
(Here she is in 2009 talking about trying new ways to release music after leaving EMI, and teasing Demon Lover -- which she was still promising last year to drop after Roisin Machine, as well as a "reggae project"... which in this interview about songwriting she reveals is a collab with Mad Professor. It took nearly nine years to get the Parrot album, she could still whip up an all-pop record with the other post-Overpowered orphans if only she were physically able to stop making other whole LPs with single producers.)
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 1 June 2021 19:15 (four years ago)
sic, that Vimeo link directs you to an animated short film
― winters (josh), Tuesday, 1 June 2021 19:22 (four years ago)
ha, it must have redirected after I watched the clip. fuck all autoplay forever!
https://vimeo.com/553928757
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 1 June 2021 20:03 (four years ago)
Mi Senti is soooo good, just hope it will get a repress as prices are crazy
― willem, Friday, 11 June 2021 03:32 (four years ago)
Listening party for Crooked Machine tonight. Starts in 90 minutes
Crack out the Prosecco, turn up the system @LlSTENlNG_PARTY HERE!!! Press play at 8pm and I’ll be here with Alfie Nokes and his stories from the north! #CrookedMachine forever 🙌 pic.twitter.com/EmwYP4GzsO— Róisín Murphy (@roisinmurphy) June 13, 2021
― groovypanda, Sunday, 13 June 2021 17:31 (four years ago)
Ta for the tip - she threaded her tweets out of order, this is me trying to tidy it up... Parrot in quotes.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 13 June 2021 23:05 (four years ago)
Here’s me trying to actually become Crooked Machine.
https://i.imgur.com/jMZUmNL.jpg
I’ve known Parrot for nigh on 30 years, I’ve been close to him throughout my musical adventure.He’s always been there for me, he is a very, very special soul. I play him everything I do,to get his feedback and it’s always priceless. He is a hugely consistent artist and individual.
It’s really not enough to call it a remix album. Crooked Machine could stand on its own, it’s it’s own universe. The two records are in parallel dimensions. equal and opposite! 🚀
I wanted the artwork to be simple,this record is not about the popstar’ image, it’s a producer record. It’s about the music contained within. Braulio Amado had fun cutting me up into collage just as Parrot did with my voice.
https://i.imgur.com/n4Bp7ob.jpg
RIGHT GET READY FOR SOME BOTTOM END!!
https://i.imgur.com/D05kxtV.jpg
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1.KINGDOM OF MACHINES
R: They’ve taken the original to a very pure place, accentuated the cold, JG Ballardness of the original! The first track of the record lays it out, this isn’t necessarily going about pure dance music, it’s going to be about mood, big-time!! Oh it makes my heart sing! 🎼 💕
https://i.imgur.com/6EysAzo.jpg
I wanted the record to start with some of the Celtic-Soul/ Large Mammal In Pain wailing from Game Changer. Didn't think the whole song was the right opening. So with a very slight nod in the direction of Padlock, Roisin wails and then is edited into a different track. Also I thought it might be nice to sample a bit of an old Crooked Man release called 'This Machine'. That's where the high male vocal comes from. (I'll sue myself for copyright infringement later). Me and Roisin rarely talk about the meaning of specific lyrics or instrumentation. A bit like a pair of leaky old dogs, we each scratch at what the other one has done, and then maybe add a little deposit of our own… although we never discussed it, I've always presumed that 'Kingdom of Ends' is about finding yourself stuck on a wheel of physical and spiritual unresolve.There's a climb of fresh excitement. You feel as if fulfilment can finally be reached...the itch just keeps on itching.All of that may be a complete misreading of what the song is about, but it's certainly what me and Fat Dave tried to put into the music. It goes up, it goes down but ultimately never resolves.It felt pretty obvious that for the remix LP some kind of landing should arrive, solid ground could be reached. So that's what 'Kingdom of Machines' is about, imposing a little stability.But ultimately, right at the end when you think it might be over, the wheel just keeps on turning...Into...
Me and Roisin rarely talk about the meaning of specific lyrics or instrumentation. A bit like a pair of leaky old dogs, we each scratch at what the other one has done, and then maybe add a little deposit of our own… although we never discussed it, I've always presumed that 'Kingdom of Ends' is about finding yourself stuck on a wheel of physical and spiritual unresolve.
There's a climb of fresh excitement. You feel as if fulfilment can finally be reached...the itch just keeps on itching.
All of that may be a complete misreading of what the song is about, but it's certainly what me and Fat Dave tried to put into the music. It goes up, it goes down but ultimately never resolves.
It felt pretty obvious that for the remix LP some kind of landing should arrive, solid ground could be reached. So that's what 'Kingdom of Machines' is about, imposing a little stability.
But ultimately, right at the end when you think it might be over, the wheel just keeps on turning...
Into...
2.ECHO RETURNS
Down to the molecule! Some serious Celtic minimalism on the go here lads! We’re also in Doctor Who territory, inside the machine, backwards and forwards in time! Deep Disco mysticism, machine mythology.
The love story of Echo and Narcissus is such a cracking tale, and luckily well enough known for me to go off at an arty-farty angle without feeling in danger of misrepresenting what Roisin was singing about. The picture I had in my head when making Echo Returns was of Narcissus dead, floating face down in the languid pool whilst what remains of Echo hovers above, powerless, fragments of her flickering across the water and bouncing between the wet river rocks.Which is quite pretentious... So as an antidote to the pseudery...
The picture I had in my head when making Echo Returns was of Narcissus dead, floating face down in the languid pool whilst what remains of Echo hovers above, powerless, fragments of her flickering across the water and bouncing between the wet river rocks.
Which is quite pretentious... So as an antidote to the pseudery...
3.CAPABLE RHYTHM
Is just an old version of Incapable with some rhythm guitar busked over the top. Spotlight on Fat Dave!
I’d love to be back in the cellar in Sheffield and hear this get dropped. When I was living in Sheffield years ago, it was always other people who made records that really worked at those underground parties, but this would slap everyone’s arse!Perfect version, encapsulates it all, so Sheffield.. Its a glamor-stomper! The guitar on this is a special thing of beauty.
https://i.imgur.com/0Or6pJ0.jpg
4. ASSIMILATION
This song was the first one written for this entire project and it was so long ago, with this remix it all comes flooding back, the spirit of everything.
https://i.imgur.com/aEVCtQj.jpg
Parrot sure can do a build and release, he must be good in bed! 😜
These piano chords, I feel them so hard, it’s so of my moment right now. I have a feeling that whenever I hear this song in the future, I will be back in this peculiar moment, this era of our lives.
I’m in my happy place.
I was shitting myself doing 'Simulation' cos I always quite liked the original, and unusually for me had never felt the urge to experiment with other versions... But it turned out ok, probably the best thing on the record. It's got more of a traditional "song" arrangement than the main version, which is quite unusual in the world of modern remixes.
5. CROOKED MADAME
Ironically, this is rhythmically straighter and less crooked than 'Shellfish Mademoiselle'. Which was totally intentional. It was an opportune moment for a moment of slightly wonky disco dancing. To help me get the feel, I pictured Murphy doing her old broken robot moves.
https://i.imgur.com/dfxQiUA.jpg
Sublime groove, this is a Parrot classic, it just bounces along, total equilibrium in this song. It’s simple, deceptively.
There’s something about Parrot's claps, they’re so fully real and rounded, I recon it’s the claps that keep this whole project together. The rather mechanical structure of the music is humanised!
It has that kind of minimalism, that kind of regimentation that makes you bore down into the very core of yourself, into the very meaning of existence.
There were 75,000 lyrics in the original track or thereabouts, and before it had a title everyone always called it “the Mademoiselle track.” Even though I only say that word once.
6. LESS IS MORE
Another hands in the air moment!! We are in a field at 9am, been dancing all night and we could dance forever!
#LessIsMore Well the title could be engraved on Parrots gravestone!
oh the drama here! This is a really good version, one of my favourite tracks on the record. Love it, it’s deep and dark as fuck but still camp as hell!
https://i.imgur.com/ICjphBD.jpg
There was a previously released mix of 'Something More' that we did very quickly, almost as an afterthought. The track was sped up 5bpm and only part of the bass line used. This resulted in the song taking on a darker, deeper vibe …but unfortunately we ran out of time before we could massage the chorus into its new bedding. That'd always niggled me, because there's nothing I like better than a sweet melody riding on a dark undercarriage.The full remix LP felt like an opportune moment to nag Fat Dave into getting the chorus to work on the truncated b line. Which he did by using musicianly words like "transposition" and "modulation" and other magical musical twattery that I'm too stupid to understand.
The full remix LP felt like an opportune moment to nag Fat Dave into getting the chorus to work on the truncated b line. Which he did by using musicianly words like "transposition" and "modulation" and other magical musical twattery that I'm too stupid to understand.
7. NAME CHANGER
#NameChanger which Parrot did across this album, changing the titles' names to titillate and amuse himself
https://i.imgur.com/7dbfRxQ.jpg
What a concoction this groove is. Funky and menacing at the same time, a totally unique sound.
The oldest song on Roisin Machine was 'Murphy's Law', which had originally been written for the Overpowered album but didn't make it past the A&R man. For it's eventual release, Murf freshened the vocals up with a couple of extra parts, and 'Game Changer' was a song that evolved out of one of said parts.For a no doubt very important reason that I can't remember, somewhere along the way, the tune acquired a bit of a soul shuffle, and I liked the idea of picking the remix up with a loping 4/4 kick drum. Slightly Steppers. Which steps into...
For a no doubt very important reason that I can't remember, somewhere along the way, the tune acquired a bit of a soul shuffle, and I liked the idea of picking the remix up with a loping 4/4 kick drum. Slightly Steppers.
Which steps into...
8. WE ARE THE LAW
Come on then!!! Let’s have ya!!
https://i.imgur.com/nwiqgAK.jpg
This one sounds quite 80s doesn't it?These days I tend to avoid doing remixes that don't use many vocals from the original songs. For DJs I accept that tunes with just a few rhythmic shards of vocal are easier to sequence... But in dance music that style can be so prevalent that sometimes it's a struggle to find the real primal beating heart of a tune. Everything becomes a single carpet of noise. Or very loud wallpaper.Anyroad, despite my foibles, I thought it might be fun to forget about the songs for once and just have a bit of this and a bit of that over a bit of something else. Like a megamix or summat.
These days I tend to avoid doing remixes that don't use many vocals from the original songs. For DJs I accept that tunes with just a few rhythmic shards of vocal are easier to sequence... But in dance music that style can be so prevalent that sometimes it's a struggle to find the real primal beating heart of a tune. Everything becomes a single carpet of noise. Or very loud wallpaper.
Anyroad, despite my foibles, I thought it might be fun to forget about the songs for once and just have a bit of this and a bit of that over a bit of something else. Like a megamix or summat.
Great running track this! It has propulsion. Synths are magic on this track.
9. HARDCORE JEALOUSY
Oh God this is bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad! (In a good way, obvs) ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
Complex remix to have achieved, It’s an incredible feat! Imagine when I got to the end of this record on first listen, everything was already in its right place, I got to the end, to this track and “Jesus fucking Christ”, I said to myself, “he’s out done himself!”
'Jealousy' is a tune that always contained a lot of kinetic energy. The original rhythm track was giddy disco fluff, which Murf responded to with a lyric about frantic, unstoppable ever building emotion. Like a rush of sugar to the head, the finished article was simple but pleasingly effective.So we were aghast when record labels interested in releasing it as a single wanted to slow the tempo down. Because apparently "people can't dance to anything faster than 130bpm". Jesus... That's a good proportion of dance music history disappearing down the K-hole innit?Parrot: 'Hardcore Jealousy' is a response to that. No, we're not going to slow it down. We're going to make it punch you in the face. Then run off laughing. 🤪😜
So we were aghast when record labels interested in releasing it as a single wanted to slow the tempo down. Because apparently "people can't dance to anything faster than 130bpm". Jesus... That's a good proportion of dance music history disappearing down the K-hole innit?Parrot: 'Hardcore Jealousy' is a response to that. No, we're not going to slow it down.
We're going to make it punch you in the face.
Then run off laughing. 🤪😜
Basically, this record is right up my street, which is handy. But really, I love it. It’s timeless not just something that’s trying to reach for the Zeitgeist or for a few extra sales.
No, it’s a warmer experience than that, warmer than most music around at the moment. And it came from the place of soulful authenticity. #crookedmachine forever 🔥
Thank you everybody who came to this very groovy party! KEEP STEPPING!! until the next time 🔥🔥🔥🔥
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 13 June 2021 23:08 (four years ago)
Another collabo for the "upcoming" pile: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jun/13/laurie-anderson-roisin-murphy-in-discussion-big-science-performance-art-coronavirus
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 14 June 2021 01:26 (four years ago)
omfg I need this now
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Monday, 14 June 2021 22:53 (four years ago)
oh wow, that'll be really something if it does eventually happen
― ufo, Tuesday, 15 June 2021 02:55 (four years ago)
Reflex Revisions of 'Incapable' and 'Narcissus' on their way, vinyl due 2nd July on Skint Records, digital/streaming to follow. Preview snippets at https://www.juno.co.uk/products/roisin-murphy-incapable/834900-01/
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 23 June 2021 08:57 (four years ago)
The Reflex put up a really nice post on their socials about getting to do this which I thought was so sweet.
― boxedjoy, Wednesday, 23 June 2021 09:54 (four years ago)
Is that public somewhere?
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 10:41 (four years ago)
Here you go: https://www.facebook.com/thereflexmusic/posts/347551276734091
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 23 June 2021 11:17 (four years ago)
just seeing the reflex revisions WOW
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Monday, 30 August 2021 17:48 (four years ago)
I sequenced an imaginary album out of all the "outside" remixes from this album and conducted heavy scientific analysis and: you won't believe it, but
turns out the Cosmodelica remix of Murphy's Law and the Soulwax remix of Something More are completely incredible?
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 24 September 2021 08:53 (four years ago)
amazing set at glastonbury
― LaMDA barry-stanners (||||||||), Saturday, 25 June 2022 22:04 (three years ago)
A good helping of Moloko material.
I've never managed to see her live, she's got to be an amazing performer.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 27 June 2022 14:11 (three years ago)
That was incredible. (That being watching it on telly).
― djh, Monday, 27 June 2022 19:28 (three years ago)
Watched this a few (well, lots of) times. And a similar show from Zagreb (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeeNgUVT4oY). Roisin really orchestrates/is in control of ... the whole thing, isn't she?
― djh, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 18:51 (three years ago)
She is a rare talent. Kind of reminds me of a cross between Annie Lenox and Debbie Harry, but is also completely sui generis.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 18:57 (three years ago)
*Lennox
I'm curious about the directing the filming of the Glastonbury performance as I've never known another act on the BBC coverage start with a cameraperson with them backstage and follow them out before it cuts to the usual cameras in front of stage. Really nice move.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 19:08 (three years ago)
Is there a video of the full Glastonbury performance available? I'm seeing only excerpts on YouTube.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 19:09 (three years ago)
This is a good read
https://www.ft.com/content/7476dc2d-3899-47a1-a7f9-bad3ae8d8c6e
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 19:16 (three years ago)
Her headgear in that Zagreb show is fantastic.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 19:30 (three years ago)
Jimbeuax: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0c81z2l/glastonbury-roisin-murphy
― djh, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 22:32 (three years ago)
Thank you!
That Zagreb set was tremendous. My love for this woman has only deepened over the years since Moloko disbanded.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 22:58 (three years ago)
For no particular reason, converted the live show track list into a playlist of the same tracks* (I think - alcohol was involved).
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3JLTXDgIldTd7OLuXNJV33
(*for now, likely to edit into what I want to listen to while working).
― djh, Sunday, 3 July 2022 16:52 (three years ago)
Find that Glastonbury version of Familiar Feeling strangely emotional, for some reason.
― djh, Monday, 4 July 2022 22:04 (three years ago)
From what I’ve seen so far she was the coolest, best sounding artist on Glastonbury. She’s really good live.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 4 July 2022 23:47 (three years ago)
Fucking hell, I can't stream it as I am outside the UK. The only clip I can find is "Incapable," which just makes me want to see the whole thing.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 5 July 2022 19:49 (three years ago)
It's torrentable.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 6 July 2022 05:23 (three years ago)
Thanks! I haven't torrented anything in years, I guess it's time to jump back in, at least for this.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 6 July 2022 14:55 (three years ago)
This is my favourite music "thing" for an age. Just so fucking brilliant. I'll miss it when it's gone (9 days, seemingly).
― djh, Thursday, 21 July 2022 19:28 (three years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH2QPqzwboY
snippets of a new song from the upcoming album with dj koze
― ufo, Wednesday, 9 November 2022 14:31 (three years ago)
Missed that last post till now, hell yeah! Any release date?
― “Cheeky cheeky!” she trills, nearly demolishing a roadside post (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 December 2022 17:17 (three years ago)
not other than 'next year' but it sounds like it's pretty much done
― ufo, Friday, 16 December 2022 17:31 (three years ago)
Finally available for your watching pleasure! A Film by Róisín Machine - please sign up to access this exclusive and stay tuned as a NEW ERA is about to begin! Those fans on my mailing list will know first🌀😘 https://t.co/BUFae5JX7f pic.twitter.com/Ub9HvfUrpS— Róisín Murphy (@roisinmurphy) December 14, 2022
does sound like news is coming rather soon though + there's a full concert video if you sign up to her mailing list
― ufo, Friday, 16 December 2022 17:34 (three years ago)
She's decided to become a puppeteer
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 16 December 2022 17:46 (three years ago)
nice and nice
― “Cheeky cheeky!” she trills, nearly demolishing a roadside post (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 December 2022 18:19 (three years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsC2iHRjx2Y
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 12 January 2023 21:33 (three years ago)
^ Video unavailable.
(UK)
― djh, Thursday, 12 January 2023 22:20 (three years ago)
it's a live version of "flash in light" that went up on streaming, seems like she might be about to announce a live album?
― ufo, Thursday, 12 January 2023 22:35 (three years ago)
https://roisinmurphy.bandcamp.com/track/flash-of-light-live-in-berlin
really gorgeous
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 13 January 2023 00:28 (three years ago)
one-off youtube stream of A Film By Roisin Machine starts in seven minutes, RM will be in the chat
― more crankable (sic), Thursday, 19 January 2023 19:52 (three years ago)
audience video of that Flash of Light in Berlin starts at 1:11:22 here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ght3Cmas1aM
― StanM, Friday, 20 January 2023 19:17 (three years ago)
so she was crowdsurfing during part of that, which explains the crowd noises during the song
― StanM, Friday, 20 January 2023 20:11 (three years ago)
apologies - I tried to put the audio to the video and I couldn't, so then I noticed it's not the same evening. Audio was May 15th, video above is from the 16th. The intros aren't the same length, for one :-)
― StanM, Friday, 20 January 2023 20:29 (three years ago)
except... I'm so confused. They only played one night in Berlin, the 16th? is this audio heavily recut or something? AND it mentions the wrong day?
― StanM, Friday, 20 January 2023 20:32 (three years ago)
I watched the livestream yesterday. Fabulous stuff. Apparently it's going to be up for a few days so check it out if you're a fan. Apparently she's bringing the curtain down on the Roisin Machine period, so on to the next thing.
― everything, Friday, 20 January 2023 20:44 (three years ago)
re: flash of light : or maybe it was recorded on the 15th after all, but it was in Utrecht, NL (Tivoli/Vredenburg). anyway. I give up.
― StanM, Friday, 20 January 2023 20:45 (three years ago)
Loving you is easyIt’s the leaving that’s hardLoving youEasyLeaving youHardLeaving youHard
Loving youEasyLeaving youHardLeaving youHard
WAITAMINUTE! Leaving you hard? mmmmmmmmm
― StanM, Saturday, 21 January 2023 14:42 (three years ago)
So - updates!
The Koze album is probably coming late in the Northern Hemisphere summer. Its rumoured title is Hit Parade and it will be released by Ninja Tune.
A single, "Can't Replicate", is available on limited edition vinyl. No word on when - or if - it will be available to stream or download, although it's being used in DJ sets already, like this one for example. (Seems to have a Lil Louis sample running through it). If you follow Róisín on instagram, you might've heard an early version of the track here - while I like the edit's techno throb, I do hope this iteration will become available somewhere down the line, and I kind of wonder if it is the album version as it sounds a lot more...Koze-y.
Then there's another, sunny track that Róisín has been teasing on TikTok - rumoured title "CooCool". See here for a bit of that.
― monotony, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 23:57 (three years ago)
interesting that it's credited to both
"can't replicate" is great, but i agree that the 2020 snippet also sounds very promising and i hope it emerges eventually
― ufo, Thursday, 23 February 2023 00:12 (three years ago)
ninja tune!!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 23 February 2023 02:36 (three years ago)
should have called themselves Koze 'n' Murphy
― least said, sergio mendes (sic), Thursday, 23 February 2023 17:53 (three years ago)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CpTEE_-uLjm/
"coocool" is out in a few days
― ufo, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 12:29 (two years ago)
That sounds very promising
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 13:37 (two years ago)
Chorus is a bit silly for me but Koze and Murphy make a great team. It sounds great. Excited for a full album of them together.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 15:11 (two years ago)
It's out, and it's love at first listen for me. Its such a perfect almagamation of her more experimental side with her pop side, while venturing and implementing into a more R&B side, particularly with the vocals and the samples used on this
― aguzman1990, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 15:24 (two years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV-JAnnd9Rw
incredible imo
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 16:44 (two years ago)
oh god YES
― ꙮ (map), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 16:48 (two years ago)
10/10
― four square ups... no punches thrown (Spottie), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 18:42 (two years ago)
Love that. Hope she announces the album soon.
― kitchen person, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 19:30 (two years ago)
so glad this completely delivers
― ufo, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 21:26 (two years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA2pdfvRlaw
hit parade out september 8
really good stuff!
― ufo, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 13:04 (two years ago)
feels like a pretty similar wavelength to the last avalanches album just much better?
― ufo, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 13:05 (two years ago)
I want to hear this album, but I DO NOT want to look at this cover every time I do.
My new album ‘HIT PARADE’ will come to you on SEPTEMBER 8TH. Pre-order the album from my store to access the pre-sale for the headline show at ALEXANDRA PALACE. My new single ’THE UNIVERSE’ is in the world RIGHT NOW and available to stream & save here! 🌀 https://t.co/GMU1gAwdjG pic.twitter.com/NZbuJI6VZb— Róisín Murphy (@roisinmurphy) May 17, 2023
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 13:23 (two years ago)
The song sounds lovely and excited for the whole thing. September seems so far away. This one was ripe for summer.
I agree on the album cover, the AI artwork for that one and the singles is really ugly looking.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 13:26 (two years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd4_Pi-SUeg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mJxTbCxSi4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b75dT8-klSI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqD3gn72zCY
bunch of new songs live, i really like "free will" especially
― ufo, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 13:11 (two years ago)
Sean Johnston drops the Payfone remix of You Knew one hour 55 minutes into this mix. Sounds absolutely amazing.
https://www.mixcloud.com/delscott/alfos-ebs41-sean-johnston-09-06-2023/
― groovypanda, Monday, 12 June 2023 14:25 (two years ago)
i love these two singles more than anything from "roisin machine".
― ꙮ (map), Monday, 12 June 2023 15:27 (two years ago)
"Can't Replicate" is apparently a 1000-copies vinyl-only release, at least for now, which is a shame because it's essentially "French Kiss" with a slinky diva vocal
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 15 June 2023 21:23 (two years ago)
also the artwork is the same artist who did the last two Westerman albums, which makes total sense to me
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 15 June 2023 21:24 (two years ago)
"can't replicate" is on the album, though it's a different edit to the single
― ufo, Thursday, 15 June 2023 22:04 (two years ago)
feeling some of those live songs. not feeling “coocool” (“the universe” is fine). deeply not feeling the visual aesthetic of this album.
― donna rouge, Friday, 16 June 2023 00:54 (two years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6HcP8pK6_w
― ufo, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 01:19 (two years ago)
Lovely track, lovely video
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 12:40 (two years ago)
Handmaid's tale my arse 😜 YOU KNEW! pic.twitter.com/svQySgH48g— Róisín Murphy (@roisinmurphy) July 7, 2023
excited to hear this one
― monotony, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 00:26 (two years ago)
yes!
― ꙮ (map), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 00:27 (two years ago)
As posted upthread, the Payfone remix of that sounds great.
Also loving the Lil Louis influenced Can't Replicate
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 09:43 (two years ago)
that whole ALFOS mix is excellent, the Alison Goldfrapp single sounds amazing in it as well as this Payfone remix
― boxedjoy, Saturday, 15 July 2023 08:48 (two years ago)
Wait what are you talking about? Has it leaked?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 15 July 2023 14:13 (two years ago)
https://www.mixcloud.com/delscott/alfos-ebs41-sean-johnston-09-06-2023
they're talking about the remix of "you knew" in this mix at ~1:55:00, which was linked upthread
― ufo, Saturday, 15 July 2023 14:23 (two years ago)
Ok this is officially out. You were right the Payfone remix is great
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 16:19 (two years ago)
amazing vocal performance in the original which the payfone mix downplays a little
― LaMDA barry-stanners (||||||||), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 16:37 (two years ago)
singles all amazing so far. shaping up as potential aoty contender
― LaMDA barry-stanners (||||||||), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 18:13 (two years ago)
She's such a badass.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 18:14 (two years ago)
Clearly this is one of the world's best songwriters, yes?
What a run she's on. Jesus.
― mr.raffles, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 18:28 (two years ago)
Just copped tickets to the Terminal 5 show. Been a fan since the first Moloko album, but this will be my first show. September 27th can't come fast enough.
― mr.raffles, Wednesday, 19 July 2023 02:25 (two years ago)
Hmmm, she's coming to the Wiltern in LA just before that. Tix from $68.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 19 July 2023 02:32 (two years ago)
$55 all in for NY. Which doesn't seem that bad for somebody who's made loads of my favorite records.
― mr.raffles, Wednesday, 19 July 2023 02:35 (two years ago)
No doubt. I'd pay considerably more for that for this woman. She's brought me more joy than just about anyone else, musically speaking, in the past decade plus.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 19 July 2023 02:37 (two years ago)
*more than that
Got two GA. Given that she is playing only two US dates, this was surprisingly easy.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 19 July 2023 02:42 (two years ago)
Feel like we made good decisions tonight, jim.
― mr.raffles, Wednesday, 19 July 2023 02:58 (two years ago)
will this dethrone hairless toys as her best?
― ufo, Wednesday, 19 July 2023 06:54 (two years ago)
Her Glastonbury show on BBC iPlayer brought me as much joy as any other musical *thing* last year, I think.
― djh, Wednesday, 19 July 2023 20:31 (two years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2kfxAMkRl4
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 19 July 2023 22:15 (two years ago)
"free will" might be one of the best songs she's ever done based on section in that set
― ufo, Wednesday, 19 July 2023 23:55 (two years ago)
setlist for those curious:
"two ways""hurtz so bad""free will""the house""incapable""coocool""can't replicate""fader"
― ufo, Thursday, 20 July 2023 00:23 (two years ago)
why is this album still over a month away, it's too far given we've heard nearly every track at least in part now
― ufo, Thursday, 20 July 2023 12:46 (two years ago)
teaser for a moodymann remix of "what not to do" sounds intersting
― ꙮ (map), Wednesday, 9 August 2023 15:57 (two years ago)
back in the pandemic year of disco, there were so many awesome albums dropped from some legends but I think Roisin Machine was the best one. super psyched for this.
― omar little, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 22:14 (two years ago)
ok here it is. kdj and rm go together really well imo, he's a great foil for her. also it's the best thing i've heard from him in a while? i haven't been feeling his output for a minute for whatever reason.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBBjmY7VPjs
― ꙮ (map), Wednesday, 9 August 2023 22:52 (two years ago)
A huge disappointment if it's real
Is this real and why can’t I find anyone else talking about it pic.twitter.com/lziHKVWP8C— based gizmo 🏳️⚧️ (@neverthetories) August 22, 2023
― piscesx, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 14:01 (two years ago)
yeah, a painful one to never want to listen to again but here we are
― you're a sick man, Buddy Rich (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 23 August 2023 14:23 (two years ago)
The accent's missing in her name, though?
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 August 2023 14:28 (two years ago)
You can find the account pretty easily. No accents present.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 14:32 (two years ago)
ugh ugh ugh
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 August 2023 15:54 (two years ago)
nooooooo
― Murgatroid, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 16:38 (two years ago)
yeah this seems to be real - the account is in a few FB music groups I'm in, and it seems convincing enough to make me believe it's definitely her own personal/private profile. Really fucking grim when you consider that so much of her profile is based on leaning into being the "hip" choice of gay icon, it feels like the LGBT+ audience are worthy of using for acclaim and profit but not affording autonomy and respect to.
― boxedjoy, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 16:42 (two years ago)
one of the grimmest aspects of the transphobic war has been this endless parade of allies and libs deciding that they've reached the threshold of their tolerance and have no choice but to side with hate
i guess at least there's some masks off
― you're a sick man, Buddy Rich (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 23 August 2023 16:48 (two years ago)
not her real account.
this is her official space :
https://twitter.com/roisinmurphy
different avatar pic.
been through recent likes/replies and this aint in the listings i can see.
― mark e, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 16:49 (two years ago)
it's not from the twitter account as far as i understand this
― you're a sick man, Buddy Rich (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 23 August 2023 16:51 (two years ago)
isn't it from her FB page?
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 August 2023 16:52 (two years ago)
ooh bugger .. dont follow her on FB so missed that small detail.
:/
― mark e, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 16:53 (two years ago)
yeah, this is from her Facebook page, and I mean "her" page - her own private profile, not the page you can like and follow her as a fan of an artist. I've seen her pop up in threads on groups like W0rld 0F Ech0es and in the comments of mutual friends, not just recently but a good few times over the years. Much as I would love for this to be fake I don't have much doubt at all about it being real.
― boxedjoy, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 16:56 (two years ago)
someone on that Twitter thread describing this as her "Donna Summer" moment and it does feel apt. She could have kept this private opinion to herself, and been this awful, with the fanbase being none the wiser. The fact she felt compelled to make this comment despite being fully aware it could be screenshotted and shared tells me how little she actually values the fanbase that she's built over the past thirty years.
― boxedjoy, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 16:58 (two years ago)
I was today years old when I discovered Roisin was a TERF. Really saddened and shocked particularly as she moves and thrives in LGBTQI+ spaces— DJ Heidi Lawden (@DJHeidiLawden) August 22, 2023
people are saying it's real & she doubled down when challenged by a trans
which, fucking hell. hard to think of someone who this would be more disappointing from
― ufo, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 21:01 (two years ago)
Just awful.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 21:36 (two years ago)
as disappointing and fucked up as this situation might be, it is v funny seeing TERFs who odds are have never listened to a note of her music before today suddenly proclaim her to be a genius goddess
― Murgatroid, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 21:52 (two years ago)
She's also on record admitting to previous drug-fuelled hedonism in her younger days. So... drugs to alter up your brain chemistry are fine, except when they might actually help trans kids be able to live life authentically?
I mean this is not the thread for a debate on puberty blockers and it doesn't need to be but ugh what a fucking massive disappointment
― boxedjoy, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 22:12 (two years ago)
it is v funny seeing TERFs who odds are have never listened to a note of her music before today suddenly proclaim her to be a genius goddess
this is a core terf behaviour, like all culture wars fascists
― you're a sick man, Buddy Rich (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 23 August 2023 22:28 (two years ago)
I'm pretty gutted by this to be honest. This is someone that I would classify as an all-time favourite artist and I have to agree with boxedjoy that it seems especially perverse that she would hold these views when the queer community constitute such a large part of her fanbase.
Her posts are now being boosted by Glinner and his TERF armies, so unless she unequivocally apologises for her ignorance, then frankly I'll...have to check out of this album campaign, unfortunately, and re-evaluate how I engage with her work generally.
― monotony, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 23:54 (two years ago)
i'm honestly not surprised by this, though of course it sucks. hasn't she been kind of nasty to her queer audience previously?
― ꙮ (map), Thursday, 24 August 2023 00:01 (two years ago)
also she old
hasn't she been kind of nasty to her queer audience previously
did she? not aware of anything
― ufo, Thursday, 24 August 2023 00:54 (two years ago)
man fuuuuuuuuuu
kind of bummed tho, she was on my list of artists to really get back into
― the new drip king (DJP), Thursday, 24 August 2023 12:13 (two years ago)
(the first line is a joke because she is 6 months younger than me)
― the new drip king (DJP), Thursday, 24 August 2023 12:14 (two years ago)
Specially disappointing coming from her.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 24 August 2023 12:48 (two years ago)
I haven't looked at the financials of Big Pharma lately but someone should tell Roisin that with the worldwide international trampling of medical care for trans people, it is doubtful that anyone is making a buck these days on puberty blockers
― Murgatroid, Thursday, 24 August 2023 15:44 (two years ago)
Seeing her socials get swarmed by the wee Fash-y Musk fans and Mumsnetters who’ve no idea who she even is.. ugh!
― piscesx, Thursday, 24 August 2023 15:51 (two years ago)
She has been atypically radio silent at least on Instagram, she'd better come back with an actually sincere and humble mea culpa, taking full responsibility, and what I hope is a genuine willingness to be a better person. I hope it's not empty ass covering bs crafted by a crisis response team.
― omar little, Thursday, 24 August 2023 15:58 (two years ago)
As I told my kid this morning in an unrelated conversation, sometimes people you like will deeply disappoint you and sometimes to the point of no return.
― omar little, Thursday, 24 August 2023 15:59 (two years ago)
She tweeted 'Do you believe in Free Will?' on the 22nd. And she talks about kids being confused - not aware of her talking about kids needing protection from the biggest abusers and predators out there.
― nashwan, Thursday, 24 August 2023 16:21 (two years ago)
she'd better come back with an actually sincere and humble mea culpa, taking full responsibility, and what I hope is a genuine willingness to be a better person
really hope so - she's one of my favourite most listened to artists over the last 25 years and still making great stuff and with a new album imminent that was promising now ruined and leaving me wondering just what disturbingly high % of my favourites are just one stupid post away from exposure over this particular issue
― nashwan, Thursday, 24 August 2023 16:25 (two years ago)
yeah she'll either offer a real apology or double down. my money's on the latter unfortunately :(. just trying to hedge off disappointment. i'm a fan just because, at its best, her songwriting really captures complex emotional states. and her choice of producers or remixers is always superlative for a dance floor. re: being "nasty" to her queer fans, i shouldn't have said that. all i remember is reading something in some interview somewhere where someone was asking her if she considers what her queer fans want her to do, and she basically said no, she doesn't think about that at all. of course that's all iirc, i'm not going to hunt it down haha. so less being nasty to a queer fanbase, more 'doing art and not caring what anyone thinks about it' which has always been her thing anyway afaict.
― ꙮ (map), Thursday, 24 August 2023 16:40 (two years ago)
― the new drip king (DJP), Thursday, August 24, 2023 1:14 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
well then maybe she isn't old enough ;)
― ꙮ (map), Thursday, 24 August 2023 16:42 (two years ago)
abolish gay icons imo
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 24 August 2023 16:47 (two years ago)
ones who aren't gay at least
disappointed but too numb to be devastated by now and there's too much great queer music to waste any more time with hers
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 24 August 2023 16:49 (two years ago)
i really question, based on her particular lifestyle, how much time she ever spent directly interacting with LGBTQ folks or operating in spaces w/them. there are plenty of great pop musicians who do, and are actually strong allies and supporters and actual members of that community, so...idk it sucks. i agree w/map about the emotional intelligence of her work, which is what makes it more shocking in a way. for others "i don't care what people think" is manifested in better ways, like maren morris going off at transphobes within country music without any fear.
― omar little, Thursday, 24 August 2023 16:58 (two years ago)
like i mean her life just seems like that of a person who has a very regimented set of places she goes to, i just don't sense cultural curiosity as much as a lot about herself. i don't mean that LGBTQ folks don't live in England or Ireland or Ibiza obv. i might be projecting though, unfairly on those who are similar to her in superficial ways.
― omar little, Thursday, 24 August 2023 16:59 (two years ago)
sorry just genuinely very frustrated and angry at yet another dumb opinion from someone i like
― omar little, Thursday, 24 August 2023 17:00 (two years ago)
I didn't see her quote. What specifically did she say?
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 24 August 2023 17:02 (two years ago)
I think people (me) assumed some sort of queer affinity because of all the theatrics and costumes and personae but we need to get some better fucking standards
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 24 August 2023 17:17 (two years ago)
I didn't see her quote. What specifically did she say?click through on based gizmo
― vashti funyuns (sic), Thursday, 24 August 2023 18:11 (two years ago)
It appears Roisin has been quietly removed from this weekend’s @homoelectric line up. The right move. Roisin should have the right to reply and commit to listening and learning. Here’s hoping x https://t.co/fvo0p3Ql9h pic.twitter.com/m9hqUNnluF— Nathaniel J Hall (@NathanielJHall) August 24, 2023
― omar little, Thursday, 24 August 2023 19:33 (two years ago)
she and Santana can tour together
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 August 2023 19:44 (two years ago)
+ Alice Cooper :(
― nashwan, Thursday, 24 August 2023 20:07 (two years ago)
haven't had this much disappointment in an artist in my house since my wife found out one of her favorite cult indie singer-songwriters was an absolutely awful secret right-winger
― omar little, Thursday, 24 August 2023 20:43 (two years ago)
Fuck this. I'll be skipping the album.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 24 August 2023 20:48 (two years ago)
well fuck - was looking forward to seeing her at Portola in SF. Curious what the crowd vibe will be for that set, and mulling over whether I should bother checking it out now. Ugh goddamnit
― octobeard, Thursday, 24 August 2023 20:49 (two years ago)
there's more:
There’s more. I’m friends with the person who made the original post. pic.twitter.com/nFl2WbM1w1— Cosmopolitan Outrider (@rudebwoyben1) August 24, 2023
― Murgatroid, Thursday, 24 August 2023 21:12 (two years ago)
this is why we need child liberation because creeps like cannot stand the idea of children having bodily autonomy
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 24 August 2023 21:20 (two years ago)
*like these people
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 24 August 2023 21:22 (two years ago)
“I might not be informed but I’m still going to give my uninformed opinion instead of shutting the fuck up and not engaging on politics that will alienate my fanbase”
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 24 August 2023 21:44 (two years ago)
idk I'm pretty tired of the just innocently blundering into this debate act and I don't really care how conscious people are of what they're doing when they choose to abuse children and cheer on pogroms etc
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 24 August 2023 21:55 (two years ago)
You see Ro, “calling it” as you “see it” is what’s causing the problems here
― piscesx, Thursday, 24 August 2023 21:56 (two years ago)
She sounds like a PTA mom.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 24 August 2023 22:00 (two years ago)
Ain’t gonna lie— never understood the appeal of her music, now even more reason to never listen to it!
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 24 August 2023 22:41 (two years ago)
Super-disappointing :(
― jaymc, Thursday, 24 August 2023 23:14 (two years ago)
Róisín Murphy follows a small amount of industry people on Twitter, so this follow sticks out like a sore thumb. Bari is editor of "The Free Press," a regular publisher of anti-trans stories. I suppose RM just "accidentally" followed her with "middle-aged clumsy thumbs," though? pic.twitter.com/3RFpjApxqm— Aidan Comerford (@AidanCTweets) August 24, 2023
― jaymc, Thursday, 24 August 2023 23:20 (two years ago)
it seems like just total ignorance on her part caught up in the moral panic rather than malice but obviously opening with "please don't call me a terf" (which she isn't in any useful sense anyway) suggests she's already down the rabbit hole a fair bit.
but of course just bafflingly stupid of her of all people to feel the need to weigh in here
― ufo, Friday, 25 August 2023 00:27 (two years ago)
Santana walking it back pretty quickly
https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2023/08/24/carlos-santana-anti-trans-comments-apology/70672438007/
― piscesx, Friday, 25 August 2023 02:35 (two years ago)
I'm kind of baffled there has been radio silence from her & her team for the past two or three days since it broke out, given the fact that they're well aware of this making rounds on social media. Not even a half-assed notes app apology or some crisis management statement about her words being taken out of context or anything. She has two shows this weekend, I guess it's business per usual?
― ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Friday, 25 August 2023 17:32 (two years ago)
it's truly bizarre. based on other forums i've read about this, people are canceling their plans to see her left and right, and increasingly saying the same thing about her lack of a statement. she's got a gig tonight i think?
― omar little, Friday, 25 August 2023 17:41 (two years ago)
The thought of a refreshed Roisin taking to the mic mid-gig to address recent statements calls to mind that Michelle Shocked gig from about ten years ago. I think that ended with her manager running onstage to cut the power.
― piscesx, Friday, 25 August 2023 18:07 (two years ago)
what happened with Mchelle Shocked?
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 25 August 2023 19:33 (two years ago)
oh ha, looked it up, I'd forgotten about that.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 25 August 2023 19:35 (two years ago)
Thought I saw she'd been dropped from one of this weekend's gigs?
― PaulTMA, Friday, 25 August 2023 19:40 (two years ago)
No it was like a DJ set of her tunes, like an album launch thing. She wasn’t actually meant to be there on the night per se. But that particular clubnight has links with her which go back years, so it’s quite A Thing for them to cancel something like that. Good on them I have to say. They did it quickly with a minimum of fuss.
― piscesx, Friday, 25 August 2023 20:08 (two years ago)
she's supposed to play tonight apparently, in Lincoln.
― omar little, Friday, 25 August 2023 20:11 (two years ago)
And now I was reading that according to the festival website they pushed her to Sunday night at 6:00 p.m.
she's still supposed to play in Edinburgh tomorrow.
Still radio silent.
― omar little, Friday, 25 August 2023 22:13 (two years ago)
I mean, I have tix to see her in LA next month. Not sure I'd be inclined to sell them at this point, but maybe. As the parent of a trans woman, this is a pretty personal issue to me, but I suspect if I asked my daughter, she'd say, "Eh."
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 25 August 2023 22:45 (two years ago)
I mean, I have tix to see her in LA next month. Not sure I'd be inclined to sell them at this point, but maybe. As the parent of a trans woman, this is a pretty personal issue to me, but I suspect if I asked my daughter, she'd say, "Eh."― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux)
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux)
i don't know that she's have any idea who roisin murphy is... though maybe i'm off-base on that and i'm just projecting my personal ignorance!
see the interesting thing here is that... i've seen this enough times, it's usually easy to guess when someone's a genuine bigot and when someone is genuinely confused... i think it's interesting honestly, because santana _wasn't_ "just asking questions", he just said something superficial, and when it was brought to his attention that what he'd said was superficial and ignorant he apologized. a lot of transphobes do the roisin thing where they feign ignorance, even though they've been retweeting bari weiss and so forth for years... cis people don't notice it or assign any significance to it but trans people know the transphobe Pipeline very well. they double down because there wasn't actually any question in their minds, it's all part of a strategy, a strategy to make their bigotry look reasonable. the conclusion was foreordained, and when it happens, trans people are blamed for not being sufficiently polite in our responses.
we knew rowling was a committed transphobe years before cis people were willing to acknowledge it... the "just asking questions" thing worked for a while, because they _looked_ like the questions a genuinely ignorant person could ask, the cis audience could _see themselves_ asking those same questions. which, again, is _entirely the point_, to ask those leading questions, questions based on faulty assumptions, questions that exploit the ignorance we all had for a long time, and by asking those questions publicly, draw people to those flawed conclusions.
i can tell you right now people who are committed transphobes but most people have no idea... there's a member of radiohead, for instance, nobody talks about him being a transphobe, but it's pretty clear. if radiohead ever does another album and tour, there are going to be Problems.
santana? santana really didn't know any better. cooper? cooper's a born again christian, of _course_ he hates queers. murphy? ahhhhh, now there's where you find the Mumsnet/Rowling pipeline in action.
america has transphobia, and it's very bad, and it's hurting lots of people, but it's of the alice cooper variety. it's inextricable from other forms of bigotry and denialism endemic to people of that mindset. uk transphobia masks itself as "progressive" and "feminist" and as such is, i think, more of a problem, because of the way it's institutionally entrenched and ingrained in british institutions. all the major media organs, all the major political players, they're all committed to transphobia. if you're not, you're out on your ear, because of your "radical agenda".
the good news is that it _is_ a generational thing, i think, like scientology in hollywood. you get one person in the right place and you can shape the minds of a generation. that's what's happened in the uk, i believe. the bad news is that the Mumsnet Generation now is, well, poisoned, poisoned with hatred and bigotry, and trans people are the ones who are and will continue to suffer its effects.
― Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 26 August 2023 16:02 (two years ago)
fwiw she now appears to have unfollowed Bari Weiss
― jaymc, Saturday, 26 August 2023 16:23 (two years ago)
"See, I'm good, I stopped following her!"
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 26 August 2023 16:26 (two years ago)
it's only notable in the absence of any comment from her
― jaymc, Saturday, 26 August 2023 16:28 (two years ago)
I’m going to assume this is Johnny Greenwood. I know his wife retweets crazy qanon bullshit.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 26 August 2023 16:56 (two years ago)
Sorry submitted without finishing that thought… anyhow:
Yeah they’re separate people and we don’t know if he necessarily aligns with the same ideas as his wife but it’s still sus.
He also liked a transphobic tweet at some point and apologized saying it was “fat fingers” and liked by mistake and yet he followed the journalist before liking said tweet. So yeah as you said, the troublesome ones can be found by who they follow and interact with.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 26 August 2023 17:01 (two years ago)
I think the US vs UK divide on this comes down to size, basically. The US isn't one country, like the name suggests it's basically 50 countries, and about half of them are governed by theocratic fascists or people who want to be and will be if given half a chance, but the other half aren't. And the US media is a patchwork, too, there's foaming-at-the-mouth right-wing media (mostly online) pushing a just-this-side-of-mob-violence anti-trans message but there's also trans defenders and people pushing back against that right-wing tide, and everyone's kind of siloed, reading and cheering for what they believe and occasionally hate-reading the other side. Whereas England is a little island with like 5 newspapers, all of which seem to have collectively adopted this frankly bizarre "the trans-es, they're coming to get us!" message, like people in a tiny rural village convinced that monsters are coming up the road, except the village is fucking London. Looking at it from outside it seems as if the entire British media culture (which again seems to be like 5 newspapers and 2 or 3 TV channels) has gone completely fucking insane.
― read-only (unperson), Saturday, 26 August 2023 17:01 (two years ago)
the good news is that it _is_ a generational thing, i think, like scientology in hollywood.
Yes. Speaking as a 25yo I'm quite sure every single terf utterance I've seen has been by someone over, say, 40 or so. That's how it feels anyway.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Saturday, 26 August 2023 17:10 (two years ago)
She's playing at Connect festival just now, my pals who are there have just sent me a video of her on stage.
― boxedjoy, Saturday, 26 August 2023 17:39 (two years ago)
Absolutely incredible that she hasn't said anything yet. It's popping up everywhere online, and her career isn't strong enough to survive such a thing. And I don't believe a terfy fan base would be sustainable.
― omar little, Saturday, 26 August 2023 17:50 (two years ago)
Lots of audacity to perform and not acknowledge what happened especially now that her social media is overrun by the worst sort of people. I guess she simply does not care at all.
― omar little, Saturday, 26 August 2023 18:05 (two years ago)
If she said something dumb in “private” out of well-intentioned ignorance it’s much better to wait until she knows what she’s talking about before making any public statement about how she’s learnt and grown
― vashti funyuns (sic), Saturday, 26 August 2023 18:27 (two years ago)
not sure i understand what’s “well-intentioned” about her “ignorance”
― ivy., Saturday, 26 August 2023 18:36 (two years ago)
it’s the same old shit these ghouls always spout
i am bitterly disappointed
― ivy., Saturday, 26 August 2023 18:39 (two years ago)
It's extremely easy to see how hurt many of her trans fans are right now, and some of them are apparently getting attacked by terfy types in the comments of her social media. I haven't had the stomach to read any of that shit so I'm only hearing that through a couple other forums I've read. She should have been able to craft some type of statement by now even if it was a banal empty gesture.
― omar little, Saturday, 26 August 2023 18:40 (two years ago)
it's never simple ignorance, it's never anything to do with age or being out of touch, bigotry is never a naive accident, it takes a microsecond of reflection to recognise when you're spouting hate
― my full length poll (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 26 August 2023 18:40 (two years ago)
This post from the Popjustice Róisín Murphy mourning thread makes a great point really well. Not saying we can’t stan all our cishet main pop girls (I will follow CRJ and her sword into battle!), but how about saving a little bit of that passion for actually queer pop artists? pic.twitter.com/rA8kRi692j— Jed (@thelowestbitter) August 26, 2023
― ydkb (gyac), Saturday, 26 August 2023 18:43 (two years ago)
I'm a Midwestern rube who happened to move to LA and wouldn't you know it I happened to meet some folks around my age who now have kids who are exploring their gender identity. And it doesn't faze me because I've improved over time from my extremely culturally isolated upbringing and have some empathy. And I can't even claim that I've spent much time around trans people at all. What's her excuse?
I swear, if yesterday or something she'd come out with a statement that was really humble and a true mea culpa that might have done something to undo a lot of the damage and the hurt perhaps. I don't know, I'm not the one who is truly hurt by it. And who am I to forgive her anyway?
― omar little, Saturday, 26 August 2023 18:48 (two years ago)
Was just thinking about how her fashion is such a big part of her appeal - or had been historically - and ofc it’s all piggybacking off people like Gareth Pugh who are actually outspoken members of the community, ugh ugh ugh
― ydkb (gyac), Saturday, 26 August 2023 18:55 (two years ago)
she wrote an entire song about paris is burning wtf is wrong with her, just makes it all feel like shit
― ivy., Saturday, 26 August 2023 19:05 (two years ago)
Idk she kind of reminds me of the biggest narcissist I know in real life, not someone who's willing to accept criticism very well, nor show much humility and admit a mistake. For the sake of those she affected and as a pushback against some terrible people, I hope she still does say something. But again she's had plenty of time to say even just a single damned thing.
― omar little, Saturday, 26 August 2023 19:47 (two years ago)
Maybe there should be a 77 thread to flag when people out themselves as transphobes, like the metoo threads. Today for example the film music historian Ne*l Br*nd retweeted some transphobia. But it's just all so depressing.
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:32 (two years ago)
damn now i feel like selling my la tix. i just don't think i could enjoy it.
― ꙮ (map), Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:53 (two years ago)
I meant more asking her about her take on a musician I greatly admire who has said shit like this. Based on prior conversations, I think she'd probably tell me there are more serious threats to worry about.
On the other hand, at one time she adored Rowling's work. That's just heartbreaking.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 26 August 2023 21:03 (two years ago)
I said if, and am only noting how empty a retraction would be right now.
for "if": maybe she's known and loved plenty of trans and gnc adults for decades, and has only just heard of the concept of puberty blockers, and has freaked out as a mum without learning anything more or thinking through why teens need the same support as anyone, not cotton-swaddling. (or maybe she's turned into a mumsnet tory ghoul all the way through. absolutely plausible.)
shutting up when you don't know what the fuck you're talking about is a policy that could behoove lots of public figures in lots of circumstances. if she is really fully terforised, I'm fine leaving my interest in the Koze album fully cancelled until she reveals that or doesn't. if she's listening to better-informed friends who can explain that she's gotten some bad ideas from Bari Weiss, demonstrating that she's learnt and grown later on will mean more than a crisis-managed striped-loveheart-branded statement from a Ninja intern on her public facebook now.
she obviously profoundly doesn't understand what's wrong and gross and disappointing with the private post she made. a public statement counteracting it the next day would have been completely unbelievable.
― vashti funyuns (sic), Saturday, 26 August 2023 21:05 (two years ago)
well frankly radio silence sucks worse
― ivy., Saturday, 26 August 2023 21:09 (two years ago)
again i'm not gonna look at her IG and can't see twitter, but my understanding from trans folks who are talking about it elsewhere is that the anti-trans types/terfs are coming out of the woodwork for her on there, attacking trans folks who are pushing back against her comments. it might be better to swiftly knock down all of that bullshit going on, vs ignoring it or taking a more strategic approach to her statement (if there ever winds up being one.) even something that indicates a better statement to come later, but for now would serve as a "back the fuck off" to the monstrous types who think she's an ally.
― omar little, Saturday, 26 August 2023 21:25 (two years ago)
Yeah, the fact that she doesn't is telling.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 26 August 2023 21:26 (two years ago)
shutting up when you don't know what the fuck you're talking about is a policy that could behoove lots of public figures in lots of circumstances.
― ydkb (gyac), Saturday, 26 August 2023 21:28 (two years ago)
i'd rather she just stays quiet instead of publicly doubling down and radicalising i guess, but still certainly not an ideal response. it'll probably come up again eventually in an interview though
personally i'm still expecting to enjoy the new album (although certainly not as much as i would have otherwise and i feel pretty jaded about it all) but wouldn't go see her live or anything now
― ufo, Saturday, 26 August 2023 21:37 (two years ago)
gyac, I don't really know that much about Irish media, is it as TERF-infested as the UK?
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 26 August 2023 21:39 (two years ago)
No it isn’t.
― ydkb (gyac), Saturday, 26 August 2023 21:40 (two years ago)
That's good. I know Glinner lives in London and has done since the 90s.
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 26 August 2023 21:42 (two years ago)
regardless of whether she makes a statement admitting ignorance or doubling down, the thing I can't get over is that she made this comment in the first place. She is a very online popstar, in that she has cult following and critical acclaim without chart success, and in that she uses internet spaces beyond FB and Instagram such as live lockdown streams etc - there is no way that she could not have been able to predict this comment would be seen, screenshotted and shared. She could have put her phone down, and kept her misinformed opinions to herself and her private circle of in-real-life friends. She chose to type this out and hit submit because she felt strongly enough that it needed to be said. She felt that her opinion was valid and important and legitimate. That tells me how strongly she feels about this, and it tells me how little consideration she has for her queer fanbase which, let's be honest, in 2023 are a huge part of her sustained success.
― boxedjoy, Sunday, 27 August 2023 01:49 (two years ago)
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CwP-gMnIlz5/?igshid=NzZhOTFlYzFmZQ==
the comment she's pinned to this post, utterly abysmal. Any hope that she was just "taking time to educate herself" eradicated.
― boxedjoy, Sunday, 27 August 2023 10:48 (two years ago)
Gl*nner went on a long ranting tweet bonanza last night setting up the hashtag #istandwithroisinmurphy, tagging Jon R0ns0n, Ni$h Kumar and various comedy celebrities, links to buy her album to support her, tweets about Moloko videos, furious retweets of people who had come out against her.. this morning it had all vanished. He’s not one for deleting stuff usually either.
― piscesx, Sunday, 27 August 2023 11:19 (two years ago)
lol the most cowardly way to double down, pathetic
― ufo, Sunday, 27 August 2023 11:34 (two years ago)
I don't see any pinned comments now, but I found a screenshot:
This is what Róisín Murphy thought would be the right thing to be 'pinned' on her last Instagram post. Says it all. 🚮'This ideology is affectively transing away our gay youth' SERIOUSLY @roisinmurphy ?!? SERIOUSLY?! GET IN THE BIN pic.twitter.com/9QHeOiGUMT— diogo filipe filipe 🌈 (@DiogoFFilipe) August 27, 2023
― jaymc, Sunday, 27 August 2023 14:29 (two years ago)
"Leave kids be"
― nashwan, Sunday, 27 August 2023 14:32 (two years ago)
"transing away our gay youth" has to be the funniest and dumbest thing i've ever read
― ivy., Sunday, 27 August 2023 14:33 (two years ago)
"don't socially affirm them" is a tell
― rob, Sunday, 27 August 2023 14:35 (two years ago)
ew ew ew
― ꙮ (map), Sunday, 27 August 2023 14:37 (two years ago)
Popjustice locked their Roisin album anticipation thread out of disgust and everyone is canceling their preorders.
Funniest thing I read on that thread was from a Roisin defender (one of two, out of dozens who have completely disowned her) who claimed Roisin wasn't dependent on her LGBTQ fanbase, something along the lines of "well I saw her in Poland and there weren't any pride flags or gay chanting in the crowd" (??)
― omar little, Sunday, 27 August 2023 14:41 (two years ago)
Imagine the pathology of a person reassured by the number of fans she's alienated.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 27 August 2023 14:42 (two years ago)
thought about breaking down just how much that entire paragraph is made of bullshit but just like all fundamentally conservative/fascist ideology it willfully misunderstands and distorts every issue it's addressing. ime ppl who believe this have no interest in changing their minds
― ivy., Sunday, 27 August 2023 14:43 (two years ago)
The sheer contempt of throwing statistics at a hurt group of people, and using a proxy bigot to do so
― omar little, Sunday, 27 August 2023 14:46 (two years ago)
weird how the bad and hated tavistock is suddenly an authority when a terf claims a doctor there said something that supports their transphobia
― come on barbo let’s go parpo (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 27 August 2023 15:17 (two years ago)
Gay chanting? What? Lol
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 27 August 2023 15:21 (two years ago)
1) I don't think it's fair to claim that she is so dependable on the queer community. She was in the business long before most of you were born or aware of the fact who she (Moloko) was. She was living in a diffrent world with different people around. Certainly her last show in Poland wasn't dominated with LGBTQ community representatives at all (no flags, no transparents, no chantining....one big nothing).
― omar little, Sunday, 27 August 2023 15:50 (two years ago)
Yeah there’s a reason the lgbtq community might be less visible in Poland…ffs
― ydkb (gyac), Sunday, 27 August 2023 15:53 (two years ago)
Seems like she unpinned that post.
― piscesx, Sunday, 27 August 2023 16:02 (two years ago)
xp yeah seriously
― omar little, Sunday, 27 August 2023 16:11 (two years ago)
LOL at that post quoted by omar little - as a queer person living in Poland I am genuinely puzzled at what sort of transparent should I be bringing to concerts and what's the gayest way to chant so I get noticed by the poster
― ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Sunday, 27 August 2023 16:19 (two years ago)
solidarity to you, i could get EU citizenship but i would have to live in Poland for a few years and...not doing that.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 27 August 2023 17:54 (two years ago)
She hasn’t learned the first rule of holes.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Sunday, 27 August 2023 20:14 (two years ago)
At this point this is almost exclusively on social media. Pitchfork hasn’t done a news item. There’s one article I can find online, from some shoddy sounding sports site. If she does make a public statement I’m sure that will all change.
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Sunday, 27 August 2023 20:39 (two years ago)
He also liked a transphobic tweet at some point and apologized saying it was “fat fingers” and liked by mistake and yet he followed the journalist before liking said tweet. So yeah as you said, the troublesome ones can be found by who they follow and interact with.― ✖✖✖ (Moka)
― ✖✖✖ (Moka)
fat bloody fingers are sucking his soul away
and yeah, no secret, it's jonny, and he gets it through his wife. (look at me, talking about transphobia like it's some sort of, i don't know, social contagion or something).
I think the US vs UK divide on this comes down to size, basically. The US isn't one country, like the name suggests it's basically 50 countries, and about half of them are governed by theocratic fascists or people who want to be and will be if given half a chance, but the other half aren't. And the US media is a patchwork, too, there's foaming-at-the-mouth right-wing media (mostly online) pushing a just-this-side-of-mob-violence anti-trans message but there's also trans defenders and people pushing back against that right-wing tide, and everyone's kind of siloed, reading and cheering for what they believe and occasionally hate-reading the other side. Whereas England is a little island with like 5 newspapers, all of which seem to have collectively adopted this frankly bizarre "the trans-es, they're coming to get us!" message, like people in a tiny rural village convinced that monsters are coming up the road, except the village is fucking London. Looking at it from outside it seems as if the entire British media culture (which again seems to be like 5 newspapers and 2 or 3 TV channels) has gone completely fucking insane.― read-only (unperson)
― read-only (unperson)
i'm not sure if i agree with your assessment of us vs. uk media culture! us media is extremely oligarchical... there may be a lot of newspapers but most of them are owned by the same people and push the same ideas. they're not all anti-trans - the new york times, for instance, is anti-trans, but the washington post is pro-trans.
honestly, i do see the difference here as being a more flatly political one... the new york times is an exception, really, in being a liberal organ that's also anti-trans. if i were to boil it down to its essentials, i'd say that the issue is that the democratic party is pro-trans and the labour party is anti-trans. in actuality there is no "debate" in the uk, because the people in all of the major seats of power agree: trans rights are a bad thing.
there's no debate in america, either, because it's impossible for people who live in two separate realities to debate, but it's also really difficult to succesfully implement political policy on a national level. that, to me, is the difference... the us is basically ungovernable on a national level. so a state like oregon can mandate insurance coverage for trans healthcare, and a state like florida can forbid doctors from even providing trans healthcare. in addition, since people can freely travel between states, if you're trans in a red state you have very strong incentive to get out - stronger incentive to move than the financial disparities which _discourage_ moving.
representation matters! a lot of prejudice is driven by ignorance. if you live in a place where you _see_ trans people, anti-trans rhetoric is markedly less effective (since anti-trans rhetoric is all basically lies). on top of that, a lot of "red states" manage to _stay_ red by rigging their elections and disenfranchising any voters who might oppose the republicans. it's a cycle, and i have some thoughts about where it leads, but i try not to think about it too much.
i think one of the other differences between us and uk culture is that transphobia in the us is more _overt_, more... _vulgar_. i wouldn't expect britain to build death camps for trans people.* not on british soil, in any event. that's not how britain does genocide. britain's approach is more sophisticated and genteel. there are a lot of similarities, i think, between the way britain handles trans people and... yes, i'm going to talk about it... the _potato famine_. like many famines, the famine wasn't the "natural event" famines are often portrayed as, but a foreseeable side effect of deliberate british policy. you deny the population you're not fond of the resources they need to survive, and then disclaim all responsibility, or better yet, blame the people you're starving of resources, when they did. in the case of the irish, it was food... in the case of trans people, it's readily available life-saving medical treatment.
it's worth noting that even though america has _absolutely obscene_ levels of inequality when it comes to quality of care, trans care in the us is still more widely available than it is in the uk. any further commentary seems unnecessary.
* come on, seriously, if you were to find out florida was building queer death camps, would you _really_ be surprised?
― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 27 August 2023 21:18 (two years ago)
as far as roisin murphy... this is The Pattern. you tip your toe in and pull it back out. it's like getting in the bath. just because you pull your toe out of the water doesn't mean you're not going to get in the bath! anybody who's a fan... i'm sorry. it's time to start the mourning process.
― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 27 August 2023 21:22 (two years ago)
only just seen this thread and fucking hell, gutted
― NickB, Sunday, 27 August 2023 21:24 (two years ago)
the poland talk reminds me of the one line i've seen from louis ck in years, something tiktok recommended to me, from his "comeback" show. the joke starts something like "i was in poland last year... because i had to go to poland to do shows...".
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 28 August 2023 00:25 (two years ago)
there really is a huge difference between us and uk media culture re: trans issues, but the broader political culture is a major factor too.
the big thing is that in the uk, transphobia has been successfully laundered as a progressive, feminist position and has become the dominant position across the entire media landscape, even supposedly centre-left publications like the guardian and the supposedly neutral bbc. this has happened because the initial transphobic push was really driven by prominent media figures who generally had some sort of at least vaguely feminist, left of centre background (bindel, moore, etc.) who have been casually pushing transphobia for decades before ramping up in the past decade. the uk media is incredibly insular (and most of it is incredibly right-wing and loves a deranged moral panic) and that lead to that sort of bigotry getting quite wide takeup in the press, even the not-particularly-right-wing parts. this still hasn't lead to widespread public support for transphobia but definitely made things worse and created a very loud radicalised transphobic minority of voters.
it's a very different dynamic to the usa, where transphobia has been very blatantly driven by the religious right (which just isn't really a major factor in the uk), and so most democrat voters, even in the media, are already polarised against it for that reason, and there hasn't been any serious attempt to do 'transphobia is progressive' on a large scale. obviously there has been some 'liberal' publications trying to launder transphobia, especially more recently, but this has been usually just scaremongering about trans healthcare for youth rather than presenting their position as the true progressive one, and generally comes from a position of liberal faux-neutrality - wanting to find a culture war issue to concede to the right in order to be balanced. the only media figures to really take this up are smarmy centrist types (yglesias, chait, etc.) who already love punching left and urging 'compromise', and just blatant right-wingers who can manage to present as respectable to the nyt.
― ufo, Monday, 28 August 2023 01:22 (two years ago)
At this point this is almost exclusively on social media
mainstream media wouldn't see this is a story because her opinion is not controversial or upsetting to the bigots who have been controlling the narrative of gender issues in the past decade
― boxedjoy, Monday, 28 August 2023 07:17 (two years ago)
it’ll eventually be reported as SINGER HOUNDED BY VILE SOCIAL MEDIA TROLLS the ‘sing it back’ hitmaker has been SLAMMED by transgender activists online for expressing her views on controversial ‘puberty blocker’ treatments for teensfollowed by a quote from some dickhead from the lgb alliance
― come on barbo let’s go parpo (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 28 August 2023 07:32 (two years ago)
Transphobia is also being weaponised against the Scottish government led by the SNP who is pro-trans, by the unionist parties UK branch (atm Scottish Labour still supports trans rights as do ScottishLiberal party. Its political opportunism mainly and its certainly creating moral panic in Scottish newspapers and especially the BBC. However there are anti-trans forces within the SNP waiting to take over.
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Monday, 28 August 2023 08:14 (two years ago)
I don't know who the person behind this account is but this is not leading me to expect an apology any time soon:
Roisin Murphy pic.twitter.com/vgpWEhZbfc— India Willoughby (@IndiaWilloughby) August 24, 2023
― NickB, Monday, 28 August 2023 09:09 (two years ago)
India Willoughby is a well known person in the UK
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Monday, 28 August 2023 09:19 (two years ago)
Transphobia is also being weaponised against the Scottish government led by the SNP who is pro-trans, by the unionist parties UK branch (atm Scottish Labour still supports trans rights as do ScottishLiberal party. Its political opportunism mainly and its certainly creating moral panic in Scottish newspapers and especially the BBC. However there are anti-trans forces within the SNP waiting to take over.― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai)
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai)
my understanding (i'm in the us and tend to avoid reading the news if at all possible because self-care is important to me) is that sturgeon was actually forced out of office due to her support of trans rights? which is probably the most demoralizing news i've heard out of the uk in some time :(
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 28 August 2023 10:50 (two years ago)
Nah, although the usual suspects were using trans issues as a wedge to undermine her, she left because of an ongoing investigation into fraud with the SNP's finances, leading to her husband's arrest
― droid, Monday, 28 August 2023 10:59 (two years ago)
Whilst I do appreciate that the appalling war against trans people is heading in some very dangerous directions and is a real and concrete threat to the health and lives many, Im not sure comparisons with a genocidal famine that killed or displaced 2.5-3 million people are appropriate in this context.
― droid, Monday, 28 August 2023 11:07 (two years ago)
droid it's 4 in the morning, i'm not sleeping, again, and i'm trying to get myself back to sleep by talking about things, and i see you coming up here and saying that you don't think what trans people are going through is _really_ genocide. why? why do you think this is a good idea? trans people _are_ suffering from genocide, right now, i'm telling you this as fact, now. i didn't before, i merely drew a comparison, and that alone, that was apparently enough for you to take offense on behalf of the victims of the potato famine. what do you want me to do? do you want me to justify or explain to you trans genocide? is that my responsibility, to persuade and convince you that we are being displaced and killed, systematically, as a result of deliberate policy decisions?
if anybody's being "inappropriate" here, i'm not entirely sure it's me.
i'm going to go to try back to bed. not sure how successful i'll be.
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 28 August 2023 11:20 (two years ago)
(funnily enough i did write a 3,000 word essay on the topic of trans gendercide - and "gendercide" is not a word i made up, it's an established term in genocide studies - back in february. i think it's one of my better essays. droid, you can't read it, but if anybody else wants to, i'll be glad to send a copy.)
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 28 August 2023 11:26 (two years ago)
Im not asking you to explain anything, nor am I denying anything, nor did I mean to cause you any distress. Im just suggesting that there may be more appropriate comparisons to be made. BTW, we dont call it the 'potato famine'. It is simply the famine, or the great hunger, An Gorta Mór.
― droid, Monday, 28 August 2023 11:52 (two years ago)
The Potato Famine was also catastrophic in the Scottish highlands which led to the displacement of thousands. It seems to be actually forgotten about in Scotland.
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Monday, 28 August 2023 12:48 (two years ago)
― droid
Fair enough. I apologize. I apologize for comparing the genocide my people are currently going through with the genocide your people historically were subjected to. The point wasn't to make a direct comparison in any case, it was to suggest a _larger pattern of behavior_, that British empire, by whatever name, is intrinsically linked to genocidal practices both historical and current.
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 28 August 2023 13:25 (two years ago)
those screenshots above aren't from india willoughby, they're from someone named Kabira (kabiraexplainsitall).
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 28 August 2023 13:44 (two years ago)
thanks, i did wonder whose words those were
― NickB, Monday, 28 August 2023 13:51 (two years ago)
I do want to, at some point, educate myself more about the great hunger. I'm a white American, but my great-great-grandfather was one of the people displaced by it. Came to America, where he died in an insane asylum. Those of you who think this fact explains a lot about me are probably right. :) I have/had some relatives who have more of an interest in their family history than I do who are/were pretty knowledgeable on the topic, but I admit that's not one of the topics I've learned a lot about myself.
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 28 August 2023 13:53 (two years ago)
There was a kind of nasty exchange about the potato famine over on the popjustice forums, someone mildly pushing back on someone who said she just should have sat down and ate her potatoes. The other person said they just would appreciate not using that as a retort and many others didn't want to hear it, and dismissed it as even being a slur.
I don't think even as an Irish American I quite understand just how much British people will still use that in a demeaning way against people from ireland, and how much it hurts. I think contextually it's a lot different, being Irish in the UK versus being Irish-american in the United states, where that kind of racism at that group has evaporated.
Kate I know you weren't doing that, just figured I would chime in on that topic because it was referred to in that other forum.
― omar little, Monday, 28 August 2023 14:08 (two years ago)
contextually it's a lot different, being Irish in the UK versus being Irish-american in the United states, where that kind of racism at that group has evaporated.
― ydkb (gyac), Monday, 28 August 2023 14:16 (two years ago)
The famine insult isn't just hurled at Irish folk in Scotland. Its used against any Catholic. As a Kid I didn't even understand what they meant when someone would shout the famines over so go home. I thought they meant to stay in my own house.
What made it even worse was when I found out it affected Scotland too and our ain folk would still say it. Most of them dont know when you tell them, but they still don't care due to their blind hatred of Catholicism.
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Monday, 28 August 2023 14:30 (two years ago)
There was a kind of nasty exchange about the potato famine over on the popjustice forums, someone mildly pushing back on someone who said she just should have sat down and ate her potatoes. The other person said they just would appreciate not using that as a retort and many others didn't want to hear it, and dismissed it as even being a slur.I don't think even as an Irish American I quite understand just how much British people will still use that in a demeaning way against people from ireland, and how much it hurts. I think contextually it's a lot different, being Irish in the UK versus being Irish-american in the United states, where that kind of racism at that group has evaporated.Kate I know you weren't doing that, just figured I would chime in on that topic because it was referred to in that other forum.― omar little
― omar little
right, when i actually take time to think about it droid is totally right... i got a bit of a temper and i took what they were saying in totally the wrong way. god, if barbara were around to hear me refer to the famine as "the potato famine" she would Have Words with me.
my grandfather's generation (including barbara) did face anti-irish/anti-catholic prejudice, but my historical understanding is that the kennedy assassination pretty much put a stop to that. (it's kind of astonishing how much there was in 1960... nixon ran a lot of pretty openly anti-catholic ads against kennedy, there were suggestions that if kennedy was elected the pope would secretly be running the country, because, you know, kennedy was _super fuckin' devout_).
and honestly, i do have a certain amount of internalized sort of bigotry of my own. i thought about my anger and i've heard my family talk about having an "irish temper" but the truth is that i don't have an irish temper, i have a fuckin' american temper... ime americans tend to be far more temperamental and quicker to anger than just about anyone...
Correct and fwiw am aware that certain Irish-Americans have tried to leverage their historic oppression to silence black people
this is absolutely appalling to me fwiw... stuff like americans making a big deal about "no blacks or Irish signs" while completely ignoring things like the 1863 new york draft riots... like the first rule of allyship is _don't compare your oppression to other people's oppression_, i knew better, just wasn't at my best!
i grew up in family that made a big deal of their irish heritage at least in part to avoid acknowledging their whiteness... i have a lot of respect for ireland but as far as my irish heritage, its biggest direct impact on me is that i have liver spots at the age of 47, lol.
To circle back to the actual subject of this thread, her appeal is so niche, relatively speaking, that I wonder how much her career might be affected by this?― ydkb (gyac)
― ydkb (gyac)
my general impression is that people with niche appeal are _more_ affected by it. partly because they're more precariat anyway, and partly because you have a less broad fanbase. alice cooper, i figure he's going to be less affected by it than murphy... my observation is that when this kind of stuff goes down, women and gender expansive folks are held to a higher standard than men, as well. i'd expect her to do a lot better in the uk, where transphobia is more mainstream, than in the us.
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 28 August 2023 14:42 (two years ago)
a huge of Cooper's fanbase will probably never even know the whole interview happened tbh
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 28 August 2023 15:08 (two years ago)
Most of my reading on the famine has been academic, but I would recommend John Kelly's The graves are walking and the Atlas of the great Irish famine as probably two of the major works.
Black 47 is very good, its entertainment, but as visceral cinematic portrayals go it cant really be beaten.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pSGZt-mhSY
The level of ignorance from the British on the topic is unfathomable, but TBF, the same could be said of a surprising amount of Irish people.
I would say that is happening to trans folk is different in many ways, but one important aspect is that its trans-national and unbounded by religion, ethnicity or nationality, so they are not a distinct 'people' as such. They belong to all of us.
― droid, Monday, 28 August 2023 15:13 (two years ago)
Kinda hard to predict how her career would go at this point especially since this hasn't been picked up by anyone really, yet. But it will get picked up. And yeah it's not like she is a mega star, she is strictly a cult figure and her lgbtq fan base is a huge part of that. One feels like they had her back and kinda helped her to that upper level of cult success. So this is certainly more of a betrayal. And it's just so dumb, what she said was completely flawless and Ill informed but people say idiotic things and they can come back from them. She just doesn't seem to have any interest in doing that or acknowledging the hurt, which is the worst part.
― omar little, Monday, 28 August 2023 15:57 (two years ago)
Just want to push back on the idea that the SNP are pro-LGBT rights when they've been home to Joanna Cherry and taken cash from Brian Souter. They did the bare minimum around GRA and they only look good because the bar in the UK has been otherwise set very, very low.
Murphy's career is built on being a hipster gay icon. She's not going to come out of this well at all. I had a look at the Popjustice thread and it was full of people cancelling their pre-orders of vinyl releases of Hit Parade etc. Homobloc cancelled their "Non Stop Roisin Machine" disco event at the weekend.
The reason this feels so galling is that she's pretended to be on "our side" - just Google the words "Roisin Murphy gay icon" and you'll see quotes from her saying she feels like she's a superstar when she walks into an LGBT venue. But she clearly doesn't have any interest in actually supporting or respecting the audience that she's aligned herself with. At least with someone like Azealia Banks, awful as they are as a person, they've never tried to pretend to be something other than themselves. As a gay man, I don't want to be pandered to, and that's why I've felt more affinity with Murphy than your megastar pop divas like Lady Gaga, but now it feels like I've been taken in by some interesting videos and absurd fashion, and exploited as an audience.
― boxedjoy, Monday, 28 August 2023 16:01 (two years ago)
Booming post boxedjoy, fuck RM
― ydkb (gyac), Monday, 28 August 2023 16:04 (two years ago)
Haha I didn't mean what she said was flawless I don't know where that came from, I meant thoughtless
― omar little, Monday, 28 August 2023 16:05 (two years ago)
I mentioned this above, but I always got this really uneasy feeling that she was just an absolutely unapologetic narcissist, and as much as I love that last album and seriously it was my favorite of that year, I always had that feeling about her. This reaction she has had thus far to what occurred is kind of exactly what that type of person might do. I hate it when I have things like that confirmed.
― omar little, Monday, 28 August 2023 16:07 (two years ago)
Kinda hard to predict how her career would go at this point especially since this hasn't been picked up by anyone really, yet. But it will get picked up
Presumably she'll have a shitload of interviews lined-up to tie in with the new record, be interesting to see how those go
― NickB, Monday, 28 August 2023 17:07 (two years ago)
wanted to add that other than the nasty bit about potatoes, the popjustice thread is definitely full of righteous reactions, and a lot of sentiments similar to what boxedjoy feels -- the sense of being used, conned, and exploited. it feels like theft in a way, and maybe now it's seen as all having exclusively been at the service of her pursuit of queen status. don't want to necessarily have this all be coming from a place of confirmation bias obv but it seems to fit now.
― omar little, Monday, 28 August 2023 18:13 (two years ago)
I wonder if this is just an attempt to gin up publicity for the album.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 28 August 2023 18:26 (two years ago)
No artist is that stupid. "I'll set my existing audience on fire in order to gain a whole new audience of bigots and scum!"
― read-only (unperson), Monday, 28 August 2023 18:27 (two years ago)
Oh, I think there are plenty of artists that stupid. I guess it's up for debate just what kind of stupid Roísín is.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 28 August 2023 18:28 (two years ago)
I would argue that an intrinsic difference between Lady Gaga and Roisin Murphy in all of this is that Gaga had mass appeal across multiple demographics and chose to foreground the arty queer demographic as her primary brand and molded most of her artistic outreach to that group while RM only had the arty queer demographic as her audience and seems to be operating under the idea that she will always have it regardless of what she says or does
I’d also argue that former Christian pop singer Katy “I Kissed a Girl”/“Ur So Gay” Perry seems to have figured out how to be a better ally than RM
― the new drip king (DJP), Monday, 28 August 2023 18:36 (two years ago)
i think she's the kind of stupid/callous where she's calculatedly not acknowledging it and hopes no one will notice it happened in the first place.
― omar little, Monday, 28 August 2023 18:36 (two years ago)
Yeah I buy that
― the new drip king (DJP), Monday, 28 August 2023 18:39 (two years ago)
Feel pretty bad for Ninja Tune who've supported trans artists in the past (Octo Octa, I Jordan) and don't really deserve to have Murphy shit on them
― NickB, Monday, 28 August 2023 18:50 (two years ago)
What was the backstory of her saying Popjustice had "bullied" her in the past?
― PaulTMA, Monday, 28 August 2023 19:28 (two years ago)
Upthread, someone qt-ed India Willoughby’s grabs from Kabira, who used to work as RM’s stylist. Kabira is trans, but their work together predates the transition. I knew K back then and if she is saying RM was awful, then she was awful. K retreated from fashion scenes for a while after their collaboration, and concurrently clearly had gender stuff to work through. As one of the first people to have interviewed RM back when Moloko started, I wouldn’t have marked her out as someone who was an ally to LGBTQI people at all. I’m kind of amazed she was taken up by the community tbh.
Another person collaborating with RM recently is Theo Adams, who has always been genderfluid and part of the scene that spawned Kabira and many other LGBT/POC teens who went straight from school to clubs, fashion and performance. I wonder if Theo will take action now?
― steely flan (suzy), Monday, 28 August 2023 21:09 (two years ago)
I would say that is happening to trans folk is different in many ways, but one important aspect is that its trans-national and unbounded by religion, ethnicity or nationality, so they are not a distinct 'people' as such. They belong to all of us.― droid
the nature of what's happening to trans people is really interesting because it's such a multifaceted phenomenon, one that i struggle to find adequate words for. i'll start with this: the present-day eradicatory policy of the uk towards trans people is a replication of the hegemonic policies and attitudes towards trans people for the first 35 years or so of my life, and in essential continuity with eradicatory policies towards gender expansive people exhibited throughout the history of colonialism.
that's the term, i think. eradication. when i was born, colonialism had achieved more or less complete eradication of gender expansiveness on a _basic conceptual level_. i was born as something approximating transgender at a time when my gender identity had been reclassified as, was universally accepted as, a... sexual fetish. goddamn, i have no idea what to compare that to. i mean that's just fuckin' _weird_.
it's impossible to measure the true impact of that eradication. we can see only the barest traces in what i've taken to call "trans ghosts" - things that could have been trans, except that transness, or any concept roughly analagous to transness, didn't exist on a basic conceptual level at that time, in that place.
i still see it today. there are a lot of people who don't have the opportunity to recognize the _possibility_ of gender expansiveness. "the three times in my life i wore a dress were the happiest times in my life", says a passing acquaintance who will never wear a dress in his life again. is there any justifiable reason, any reason at all, why he shouldn't, why it's not something that would even _occur_ to him to do?
our lives are invisible and uncountable, but so are many of our deaths. a lot of us are bullied into suicide, either individually or institutionally. the sole blame is placed on the victims. more than that, the people who bullied them into suicide use this as "evidence" to pathologize our identities.
i don't think this is necessarily unique. i think other marginalized groups may suffer this as well. for a long time, trans people have lived invisibly and died invisibly. for decades, i did as well. i don't know how to explain what it's like to be alive and yet not exist. i don't know how to conceptualize it. it's just what i experienced, is all.
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 28 August 2023 21:13 (two years ago)
If her gambit is manifesting a huge crossover moment, it ain't gonna happen with that hideous album art.
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Monday, 28 August 2023 22:49 (two years ago)
pic.twitter.com/CljLn95Ytd— Róisín Murphy (@roisinmurphy) August 29, 2023
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:14 (two years ago)
This might be the wishy washyest non mea culpa I've EVER read
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:17 (two years ago)
well that's dismal
― NickB, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:20 (two years ago)
Yeah. "Sorry I got caught."
― jaymc, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:22 (two years ago)
i don't feel that this is a particularly sincere apology but 'i stepped out of line and will now shut up forever on this' is a lot better than you usually get from someone going down the transphobia rabbit hole. hopefully she keeps to her word there
― ufo, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:23 (two years ago)
stretching the definition of the word “apology” to even call this an insincere one. hope she has a nice time making music for absolutely fucking no one from now on
― ivy., Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:28 (two years ago)
"I understand fixed views aren't helpful" = "Well, we don't agree, so fuck you."
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:30 (two years ago)
yeah it isn't great, but it will piss off the transphobes no end, so some positives to take here
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:31 (two years ago)
This is how you apologize when you still think you’re right
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:32 (two years ago)
how will this piss off transphobes? more evidence for them that they’re being forced into silence by those hateful trans ppl
― ivy., Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:35 (two years ago)
it will piss them off because they've spent a week assuming she's joining Team Terf
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:36 (two years ago)
I’m sorry. I’ve learnt my lesson. I will now continue being transphobic in private.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:39 (two years ago)
xpost - she is on Team Terf, she's just mad this blew up
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:40 (two years ago)
The phrase "fixed views" suggests she ain't changing her mind, no sir.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:42 (two years ago)
Ivy is right
This is what happens when you challenge puberty blockers for kids. This woman now in the public square being pilloried and forced to lick everyone's boots, but it won't ever be enough. This is the 'cancel culture' they claim doesn't exist. https://t.co/ecGVOfXA9q— Milli Hill (@millihill) August 29, 2023
― jaymc, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:42 (two years ago)
that's the biggest non-apology ive seen from a non-politician for a while. I'm not a fan at all of her music but I feel sorry for those who are.
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:43 (two years ago)
xpost - she is on Team Terf, she's just mad this blew up― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 14:40 (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 14:40 (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Team Terf don't accept private members, they demand you become a tedious bully in public.
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:50 (two years ago)
"I completely understand that for others activism is their true calling, and is necessary and legitimate in a democracy" is not a message for trans activists, it's a message for anti-trans activists.
― omar little, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:51 (two years ago)
Meaning, she's with them on this but she's not going to be an activist with them
― omar little, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:53 (two years ago)
Wow...if nothing else, this can't have been vetted by her management, which is pretty crazy.
― 50 Favorite Jordans (Jordan), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:57 (two years ago)
The bit about never aiming at any demographic is so cock eyed I can’t believe it. It must’ve really grated to see so many LGBTQ people coming out against her that it almost sounds like a deliberate attempt to distance herself from that audience.
Unless I’m really reading it wrong.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 14:02 (two years ago)
Far too much of it reads like it was written in code
― rob, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 14:05 (two years ago)
'I understand fixed views are not helpful' is a very odd thing to write, to highlight just one.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 14:10 (two years ago)
camaraderie I don't think we are reading the same statement
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 14:13 (two years ago)
"hey can we just, like, forget i said all that bigoted shit" doesn't come across to me as an apology, more like... a saving throw against her fanbase. i don't expect it to work. not sure what she's gonna do after her saving throw fails. what's michelle shocked been up to for the past ten years?
sucks for her fans. is all.
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 14:31 (two years ago)
especially galling to end the thing with “I’m just a musician, not an activist ;)” when your music and aesthetic has been laser-targeted at the queer community
― Murgatroid, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 14:35 (two years ago)
Anyone casually using TRA in a post is already wormholes.
― steely flan (suzy), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 14:49 (two years ago)
"I'm sorry I got revealed as an ignorant bigot but I promise to only have these views in private, and besides I don't make music for the people who enjoy my music, but please stream my new album"
― boxedjoy, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 15:45 (two years ago)
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/aug/29/roisin-murphy-apologises-puberty-blocker-trans
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 15:46 (two years ago)
Her PR people getting to work
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 15:48 (two years ago)
Nice to see these lines in the Pitchfork news item:
In the statement, Murphy does not disown the comments themselves, which misrepresent the prevalence and harm of puberty blockers, but says she will “now completely bow out of this conversation within the public domain.” ...Many trans people report severe hurdles in obtaining puberty blockers and subsequent gender-affirming treatment. Among those prescribed puberty blockers, the risk of suicidal ideation significantly decreases, as shown in research reported by GLAAD.
Many trans people report severe hurdles in obtaining puberty blockers and subsequent gender-affirming treatment. Among those prescribed puberty blockers, the risk of suicidal ideation significantly decreases, as shown in research reported by GLAAD.
Also, an odd note: "Her publicist would not confirm that today’s statement refers to the viral comment."
― jaymc, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 15:51 (two years ago)
"fixed views are not helpful" ... these words don't mean anything.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 15:54 (two years ago)
i'm inclined to think Ms Murphy is dumb
An openness to be educated would be welcome but is not likely forthcoming.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 15:57 (two years ago)
I mean, isn't that what she means by the "fixed views" line? I'm sorry, but my views are fixed on this issue?
― jaymc, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 15:59 (two years ago)
Considering she never says the word "trans" or even hints at that community in her statement, I'm guessing that would be a no. What she says is so generic and boilerplate, I'm not even exactly sure what she's referring to at a couple of points.
― omar little, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 16:00 (two years ago)
Basically seems like she's saying, "I'm right you're wrong but let's just drop the whole subject"
― omar little, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 16:02 (two years ago)
and the Guardian writer going "ok"
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 16:07 (two years ago)
More like “we can take it from here”
― rob, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 16:08 (two years ago)
...Thank you 4 your service
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 16:16 (two years ago)
Welp, good talk.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 16:22 (two years ago)
Dazed article doesnt hold back: https://www.dazeddigital.com/music/article/60683/1/roisin-murphy-publishes-statement-on-anti-trans-controversy-facebook
― NickB, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 16:59 (two years ago)
Dazed hit the nail on the head
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 17:01 (two years ago)
Yes, v good.
― vashti funyuns (sic), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 17:17 (two years ago)
the right move from Ninja Tune: https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/music/r-is-n-murphys-record-label-ceases-promotion-of-her-new-record-following-transphobic-social/article_9217e450-3bc1-5995-bd78-2249fe65e90f.html
have no idea who her audience is now, no one on either side is happy with her response/non-apology
― Murgatroid, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 19:24 (two years ago)
i feel like it's not a stretch to say that the transphobe massive were not a "side" of her audience until this happened
― da elephant in daruma (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 19:27 (two years ago)
Good for Ninja Tune, hate to think how much money they'll likely lose here but hope it's survivable.
― NickB, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 19:46 (two years ago)
perhaps a Glasgow label can snap her up now
― PaulTMA, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 19:54 (two years ago)
“Uhhhhh I’ve always really liked Rusheen Murray” - some mumsnet cunt
― ydkb (gyac), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 19:55 (two years ago)
I'm really glad to see this. Could you imagine being eg Kae Tempest or Octo Octa or I. JORDAN, and going into your label's offices and fearing the people you were dealing with were happy to support Murphy's career while claiming to support yours at the same time?
― boxedjoy, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 19:55 (two years ago)
It would also be good if designers would stop lending her clothes, that will do her a lot of damage
― ydkb (gyac), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 19:59 (two years ago)
lol checkmate:
A source familiar with the matter says that Róisín Murphy's "Hit Parade" will still be released, but the label plans to donate all proceeds from the album to organizations dedicated to combating transphobia.https://t.co/Z0QjnKZXXy— Richie Assaly (@rdassaly) August 30, 2023
― NickB, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 20:00 (two years ago)
That’s incredible.
― ydkb (gyac), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 20:01 (two years ago)
Go Ninja go
― 50 Favorite Jordans (Jordan), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 20:02 (two years ago)
― da elephant in daruma (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 20:04 (two years ago)
Oof I avoid the cesspool that is twitter, but it’s harsh seeing all her new “fans” defending her in there are vile.
Ninjatune doing the right thing.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 20:04 (two years ago)
Love to see it
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 20:07 (two years ago)
I've never seen a musician who had such unassailable good will torpedo their own career so fast. I mean at least Grimes did it in extremely slow motion over the course of a decade.
― omar little, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 20:08 (two years ago)
Morrissey speed run
― NickB, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 20:11 (two years ago)
I'm really glad to see this. Could you imagine being eg Kae Tempest or Octo Octa or I. JORDAN, and going into your label's offices and fearing the people you were dealing with were happy to support Murphy's career while claiming to support yours at the same time
Also Nabihah Iqbal was close friends with Sophie and sang on Lemonade etc, can't imagine she was mad thrilled about sharing a label with RM. If you wanna support NT, go buy her album instead imo
― NickB, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 20:12 (two years ago)
Has Morrissey ever weighed in on this issue?
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 20:12 (two years ago)
i don't think anybody cares and they definitely shouldn't
― da elephant in daruma (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 20:13 (two years ago)
Morrissey only supports white vegan trans people
― ydkb (gyac), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 20:17 (two years ago)
Again, Morrissey played a very long game at canceling himself. Seemed to ramp up considerably with the For Britain stuff, though
― PaulTMA, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 20:17 (two years ago)
last of the ganglia to die
― da elephant in daruma (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 20:18 (two years ago)
Murphy has no "Bengali in Platforms" in her catalog.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 20:25 (two years ago)
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2yrhiu
― omar little, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 20:32 (two years ago)
why would any label in Glasgow want to snap her up?
― stirmonster, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 20:38 (two years ago)
The long game of being obviously the same guy forever
― Grandall Flange (wins), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 20:44 (two years ago)
I now can’t stop imagining Fred walking up to a tied-up RM and saying “Let’s see who Róisín Murphy really is!” and pulling off a mask as the entire Scooby gang yells “MORRISSEY?!?!????”
― the new drip king (DJP), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 20:55 (two years ago)
The NME piece on this notes that the (ex) banjo guy from Mumford & Sons has defended her words so maybe all is not lost for her
― NickB, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 21:20 (two years ago)
Fred: Let’s see who Róisín Murphy really is!
Scooby Gang: Gasp!MORRISSEY?!?!????
Morrissey: Argh!
Fred: Why did you do it?
Morrissey: We hate it when our friends become successful!
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 21:22 (two years ago)
It’d be good to see Jessie Ware take down/re-edit the recent “Freak Me Now” remix video.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 21:40 (two years ago)
― NickB
Lmao
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 22:07 (two years ago)
lol tyvm Alfred
― the new drip king (DJP), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 22:42 (two years ago)
Rigrouth Rikes Again
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 23:05 (two years ago)
― the new drip king (DJP), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 20:55 (two hours ago) link
New board description??
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 23:39 (two years ago)
I think the US vs UK divide on this comes down to size, basically. The US isn't one country, like the name suggests it's basically 50 countries, and about half of them are governed by theocratic fascists or people who want to be and will be if given half a chance, but the other half aren't. And the US media is a patchwork, too, there's foaming-at-the-mouth right-wing media (mostly online) pushing a just-this-side-of-mob-violence anti-trans message but there's also trans defenders and people pushing back against that right-wing tide, and everyone's kind of siloed, reading and cheering for what they believe and occasionally hate-reading the other side. Whereas England is a little island with like 5 newspapers, all of which seem to have collectively adopted this frankly bizarre "the trans-es, they're coming to get us!" message, like people in a tiny rural village convinced that monsters are coming up the road, except the village is fucking London.
― read-only (unperson), Saturday, 26 August 2023 18:01 (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink
I’m very late but England is not an island. I’d also say the UK is not one country in a more concrete sense than the US because it is made up of four countries. I know it sounds pedantic but I feel like these things matter.
― houdini said, Thursday, 31 August 2023 00:17 (two years ago)
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, commonly known as the United Kingdom (UK) or Britain, is an island country in Northwestern Europe, off the north-western coast of the continental mainland.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 31 August 2023 00:24 (two years ago)
The United Kingdom is not England.
― houdini said, Thursday, 31 August 2023 00:25 (two years ago)
I know, neither is the US “America” but it’s a shorthand that many people utilize.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 31 August 2023 00:27 (two years ago)
Sorry, this isn’t what this thread is for but England is not an acceptable shorthand for a country containing Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Those many people are wrong - that’s fine, but it’s not an argument.
― houdini said, Thursday, 31 August 2023 00:35 (two years ago)
We say UK because it’s easier to say than Old England
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Thursday, 31 August 2023 00:46 (two years ago)
imo calling the UK a country is fine, but using England to mean UK is not
― jaymc, Thursday, 31 August 2023 00:49 (two years ago)
yeah no problem with calling the UK a country. was just saying that it is a country made up of other countries in relation to the point about the US differing to the UK because of its makeup.
― houdini said, Thursday, 31 August 2023 00:51 (two years ago)
Hope she enjoys her new fans. Good grief. Acted like we didn’t exist when we played before her in a queer space this winter so I figured something was up.— 🍄 Eris Drew 🍄 (@ErisDrew) August 30, 2023
― ufo, Thursday, 31 August 2023 01:12 (two years ago)
lol "new fans" remember when Ariel Pink went on Tucker after Jan. 6 and people were saying he's gonna have a bunch of alt-right fanboys now?
― frogbs, Thursday, 31 August 2023 01:14 (two years ago)
I remember he got an iTunes bump and I was delighted to think of Fox News gramps listening to "Butt-House Blondies" for the first time
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 31 August 2023 01:20 (two years ago)
Indeed, was very disappointed that “The Ballad of Bobby Pyn” didn’t become de facto walk-on music at MAGA rallies.
― henry s, Thursday, 31 August 2023 01:46 (two years ago)
Not promoting a record but still releasing it (they say they proceeds are being donated), and the artist is already getting free press from all the headlines about this in most major publications. Not the huge win some of you are making it out to be. https://t.co/0YITe9pO8J— Niko Stratis (@nikostratis) August 30, 2023
I don't know the first thing about running a label but them outright cancelling the release would be catastrophic for themselves, no? esp for what was supposed to be a major release
― Murgatroid, Thursday, 31 August 2023 01:50 (two years ago)
why would any label in Glasgow want to snap her up?suspect this was a specific reference to the transphobic current drummer of a formerly-major-label pop/rock act, who has a long-running indie label of his own — not the city’s music scene in general
― vashti funyuns (sic), Thursday, 31 August 2023 02:01 (two years ago)
Every independent label is on the brink of catastrophe at all times. Records don't sell, period, and you're desperately counting on any press that might conceivably move a couple of hundred copies. This is gonna be a huge kick in the balls for Ninja Tune.
― read-only (unperson), Thursday, 31 August 2023 02:12 (two years ago)
ariel pink already had a bunch of alt-right fanboys, he just didn't make any new fans out of republicans who weren't already 4chan nazis and his career is pretty much dead. checking in on what he's been up to: haphazardly releasing music exclusively to his substack subscribers including a song with winston marshall
i hope murphy keeps to her word to shut up about her views and doesn't release an embarrassing garbage album about being cancelled or anything. i suspect the number of her fans who back her wrt this is far fewer than pink's anyway
― ufo, Thursday, 31 August 2023 02:15 (two years ago)
xp yeah but my question is basically how worse would it be for them if they cancelled the release entirely
― Murgatroid, Thursday, 31 August 2023 02:18 (two years ago)
xxp Right. I wonder what the "proceeds" from the last one even were, and how long it took to make it into the black
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 31 August 2023 02:19 (two years ago)
xo Taking them at their word, $0 vs -$advertising/recording spend. kind of a lot.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 31 August 2023 02:20 (two years ago)
With the yachting traction the story has got the past few days, they have to be thinking this mightn't break even.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 31 August 2023 02:23 (two years ago)
sorry for swiping. no yachting. nite.
Hope she enjoys her new fans. Good grief. Acted like we didn’t exist when we played before her in a queer space this winter so I figured something was up.
god, i've had to play that game far too many times. "am i reading way too much into this awkward social interaction or has this person decided i'm a groomer?" it fucking _sucks_.
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 31 August 2023 02:29 (two years ago)
the claim that ninja tune are donating proceeds isn't in the article, just the journalist's twitter post, so idk what the deal is there
if they are donating proceeds that's a decent way to handle it, i don't really blame them for not cancelling a release at the last minute like this idk
― ufo, Thursday, 31 August 2023 02:37 (two years ago)
suspect this was a specific reference to the transphobic current drummer of a formerly-major-label pop/rock act, who has a long-running indie label of his own
oh i would have thought numbers would be a better fit as far as glasgow labels run by a transphobe (in part at least) than the teenage fanclub drummer's label
― ufo, Thursday, 31 August 2023 02:52 (two years ago)
The album comes out in a week. CDs and vinyl records are already made, packaged, and shipped. "Cancelling" it is impossible. This isn't the 80s where a label can just eat that kind of expenditure.
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 31 August 2023 03:32 (two years ago)
It's in the article. But you'd be forgiven for thinking that the article ended with the line at the top.
https://i.imgur.com/buJKvn7.png
― jaymc, Thursday, 31 August 2023 03:49 (two years ago)
But about this brother's widow
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 31 August 2023 03:51 (two years ago)
oh weird
― ufo, Thursday, 31 August 2023 04:30 (two years ago)
the transphobic current drummer of a formerly-major-label pop/rock act, who has a long-running indie label of his own
this blind item has my curiosity piqued
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 31 August 2023 06:01 (two years ago)
already answered in the thread. idk anything about the principals of Numbers tho, which would be a better IRL fit than what I assumed was a snarky joke!
― vashti funyuns (sic), Thursday, 31 August 2023 06:20 (two years ago)
Right. I wonder what the "proceeds" from the last one even were, and how long it took to make it into the blacka club-based album from a great live performer that came out during extended closures of clubs and concerts venues is not rly a great test case of the artist’s viability. but note that she didn’t make it to a second album there, and has moved to a label without corporate backing.
― vashti funyuns (sic), Thursday, 31 August 2023 06:24 (two years ago)
she only had a one album deal for roisin machine, though it does seem to have charted a little better than the rest of her solo career. but she's still a rather niche artist, to most people moloko are nothing more than two-hit wonders from two decades ago?
idk anything about the principals of Numbers tho
jackmaster (numbers co-founder, no idea how involved he is in running it these days) said a bunch of transphobic shit on facebook many years ago (despite having sophie on the label!)
"Cancelling" it is impossible. This isn't the 80s where a label can just eat that kind of expenditure.
yeah exactly, which is why i'm not bothered.
― ufo, Thursday, 31 August 2023 07:19 (two years ago)
Also probably there'd be legal issues given the 'allowable' reasons for cancelling a release are often pretty specifically included in contracts (ie the quality of the recordings being too shit to release, etc). This'll hit Ninja Tune hard enough without them being taken to court over it.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 31 August 2023 08:19 (two years ago)
They couldn’t cancel the LP release (assume there is no contractual get-out apart from ‘bringing NT into disrepute’ that would apply in this case) so cancelling all the press/plugging, pulling the advertising and marketing is what’s left over and totally cancellable (my guess is NT was silent while considering what action could legally be taken). That’s a lot, still! A few items might’ve already gone to print but online might be paying out kill fees to journalists if pieces filed/lined up don’t then get published.
― steely flan (suzy), Thursday, 31 August 2023 08:41 (two years ago)
I've not worked with a label that cares more about doing things right than Ninja Tune, am p sure everyone there is miserable about this whole mess and that there have been a lot of sleepless nights over the best way to respond to this.
― honey badger drinks when he wants (stevie), Thursday, 31 August 2023 08:59 (two years ago)
Is it still the Coldcut guys running things there stevie? If so, how hands-on are they?
― NickB, Thursday, 31 August 2023 09:18 (two years ago)
he was ousted from having anything to do with numbers many years ago.
― stirmonster, Thursday, 31 August 2023 09:31 (two years ago)
The two signings/acoustic performances that she was due to do at Rough Trade East next week have now both been cancelled btw
― NickB, Thursday, 31 August 2023 09:32 (two years ago)
she's probably playing accordion at her neighbours rn
― imago, Thursday, 31 August 2023 09:35 (two years ago)
It's still their label, but the day-to-day running of the operation has been in the hands of the team they assembled for years now. But the same ideals they started the label with are common among everyone who works there, from my experience.
― honey badger drinks when he wants (stevie), Thursday, 31 August 2023 09:47 (two years ago)
Looks like the Rough Trade record signings/mini-gigs are being cancelled
https://x.com/artdirectionk/status/1697178957127332316?s=46&t=bJOqpCuQneT7ju08y55VSA
― piscesx, Thursday, 31 August 2023 10:12 (two years ago)
Oh my bad didn’t see NickB’s post.
― piscesx, Thursday, 31 August 2023 10:13 (two years ago)
not sure she's gonna be taking the stage after dee diggs at this one either...
https://ra.co/events/1723612
― NickB, Thursday, 31 August 2023 10:42 (two years ago)
way to clear your diary
People keep saying it was a ‘private’ conversation shared by someone but that’s not true is it? It’s complicated all that Facebook privacy stuff but if she’s talking on a friend’s FB wall then legally that’s not a private conversation is it?
― piscesx, Thursday, 31 August 2023 11:35 (two years ago)
idk about legally but no i wouldn't exactly say private. not the most public either but not private
― ufo, Thursday, 31 August 2023 11:38 (two years ago)
Private would be a DM conversation. Conversations on Facebook walls are semi-private depending on the wall-owner’s settings; I think the default is friends of tagged friends can see content, so it’s more like having a conversation in a cafe than it is having a conversation in your house.
― the new drip king (DJP), Thursday, 31 August 2023 11:54 (two years ago)
or writing your hot takes on the cafe's wall for whoever stumbles by
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 31 August 2023 11:55 (two years ago)
Ha, she’s signed her bathroom stall graffiti and is now like “oh I never meant for anyone to know that was me to offend”
― the new drip king (DJP), Thursday, 31 August 2023 11:57 (two years ago)
Rough Trade have also dropped her as album of the month.
― houdini said, Thursday, 31 August 2023 12:37 (two years ago)
Never loved Moloko, but really loved her first two solo records and have stuck around for the ride ever since. Always found her a fascinating enigmatic kind of performer and only discovered she was kinda goofy after following her on IG during the pandemic.
All that said, I'm sort of enjoying imagining her sitting around watching each domino of this album's rollout fall and growing more and more irate.
Lesson? Don't be a fuckin incurious bigot!
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 31 August 2023 13:40 (two years ago)
so if y'all don't mind, i'm trying to keep track of the other transphobes here
so jackmaster doesn't do anything as far as running numbers (lol)... is he nominally involved? wikipedia still names him but their cite is from the guardian in 2014 and maybe just nobody updated it. anything to do with his actions at Love Saves the Day in 2018? i mean as far as transphobes go he seems like a class act.
the teenage fanclub drummer... who is that right now? they seem to have had a good number of drummers and wikipedia, well, you know. apparently euros childs is a member now? good to see him getting work, unless he's a transphobe, in which case i'm extremely disappointed... he's like the one person involved in all of this i've heard of, i think very highly of gorky's zygotic mynci.
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 31 August 2023 13:51 (two years ago)
TFC transphobe drummer is Francis MacDonald.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 31 August 2023 13:55 (two years ago)
I didn't see it myself but apparently he started spouting his mouth on Twitter a few years back
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 31 August 2023 14:00 (two years ago)
fortunately it's Brendan O'Hare on a catholic education/bandwagonesque/thirteen
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 31 August 2023 14:03 (two years ago)
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length)
sure, but it's still disappointing they have a transphobe as their current drummer. being in a band with an outspoken bigot isn't really a good look.
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 31 August 2023 14:14 (two years ago)
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever)
I don’t think she was a transphobe then… bigots don’t stay dormant for that long.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 31 August 2023 14:26 (two years ago)
My bet is on these “fixed” views of hers appearing lockdown-onwards.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 31 August 2023 14:30 (two years ago)
It sounds like from some of these social media posts that she's certainly been callous and perhaps less than pleasant towards trans people in the past. Whether or not her views increasingly calcified over time is probably something we'll never know, but maybe she's always been this kind of uninformed asshole.
― omar little, Thursday, 31 August 2023 15:27 (two years ago)
TFC's Norman Blake has also produced/mixed the appalling Fat Cops, who feature two GC journalists, JK Rowling's husband, Al Murray The Pub Landlord, and Bobby Bluebell. I don't know if he's GC himself - I'd hope not - but it seems that he's happy to give his old scene pals a free pass. In Glasgow as elsewhere, there are too many blind eyes being turned due to personal loyalties, professional connections, careerism etc. There's also that privileged/clueless thing of thinking someone who's always been vaguely progressive/liberal and likes hip music couldn't possibly be a bigot. I don't think the label in question is FM's btw. The boss of that keeps it well hidden, so acts on the label may well be unaware.
― Composition 40b (Stew), Thursday, 31 August 2023 15:31 (two years ago)
I tried looking up the Francis MacDonald stuff and found people discussing another terfy Glasgow singer who has seemingly avoided cancellation through tweet deletion
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Thursday, 31 August 2023 15:32 (two years ago)
mentioned earlier in passing but my wife's heart was broken when she discovered one of her fave indie solo artists is apparently not just a bit conservative but seems to have some absolutely awful thoughts she has successfully buried from view, due to having a vv small cult and apparently realizing she shouldn't follow certain IG accounts nor post vile thoughts under her artist account anymore.
― omar little, Thursday, 31 August 2023 15:38 (two years ago)
I still think of RM as the singer on 'The Truth' by Handsome Boy Modeling School, in fact that's basically my entire experience of her music.
― 50 Favorite Jordans (Jordan), Thursday, 31 August 2023 15:40 (two years ago)
This chat does make me wonder that on top of all the other ways she's pulled the pin on her career, who the heck is she going to collaborate with in the future? Can't be many people among the type of producers and artists that she's been working with that'll want to be associated with her views, even if they do happen to agree with them in private
― NickB, Thursday, 31 August 2023 16:05 (two years ago)
I mean yes there is always the keyboard player from elbow and the (ex) banjo player from mumford dream team but
― NickB, Thursday, 31 August 2023 16:07 (two years ago)
Album of duets with Van Morrison.
― read-only (unperson), Thursday, 31 August 2023 16:10 (two years ago)
Even David 1cke is tweeting about her now, you know you're up shit creek when that happens. Tbf he does describe her statement as "grovelling" but still
― NickB, Thursday, 31 August 2023 16:25 (two years ago)
she's in purgatory now. she probably doesn't exactly want to be (publicly) associated with the few people who are supporting her at this point, and is losing fans at an alarming rate.
― omar little, Thursday, 31 August 2023 16:28 (two years ago)
It just gets worse for her: Brendan O'Neill has penned a Spectator column in defence of Murphy, "the Irish songstress".
― Composition 40b (Stew), Thursday, 31 August 2023 16:58 (two years ago)
how many cis points is that?
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 31 August 2023 17:12 (two years ago)
The two genders, songstress and funnyman
― Grandall Flange (wins), Thursday, 31 August 2023 17:16 (two years ago)
*tugs at braid*
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 31 August 2023 17:19 (two years ago)
lolll
― the new drip king (DJP), Thursday, 31 August 2023 17:30 (two years ago)
don't know who Brendan O'Neill is, but I see his head looks like a giant red pill
― cracked fixed view mire (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 31 August 2023 17:44 (two years ago)
ex-trot troll who is one of the preeminent mainstreamers of a sort of middlebrow fascism in the UK
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 31 August 2023 18:02 (two years ago)
he is the british media's red pill if you like
For some reason I initially read Brendan O'Neill as Brendan Perry for a second and my heart skipped a beat
― omar little, Thursday, August 31, 2023 11:38 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
If this person's name rhymes with "doubt giblet" I will be very upset
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 31 August 2023 18:05 (two years ago)
wouldn't be anyone who has "make speech free again" as their twitter profile
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 31 August 2023 18:13 (two years ago)
Already been through Calcination
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Thursday, 31 August 2023 18:15 (two years ago)
def not Scout! xxp
― omar little, Thursday, 31 August 2023 18:22 (two years ago)
name names!!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 31 August 2023 18:23 (two years ago)
i wish i had the receipts on this one, but the reason i'm not is just because my wife's friend is also good friends with this musician, and i don't really want to create a whirlwind for her either. plus she's so minor league, just absolutely zero profile basically. it wouldn't do anything but turn her a martyr rather than remaining no one of major importance.
― omar little, Thursday, 31 August 2023 18:51 (two years ago)
I don't think Big Terf is scouring ILM for potential new martyrs but I could well be wrong there
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 31 August 2023 18:56 (two years ago)
ex-trot troll who is one of the preeminent mainstreamers of a sort of middlebrow fascism in the UK― your original display name is still visible (Left)i'm sure there are trots who _aren't_ trolls, i just don't think i know any personally
― your original display name is still visible (Left)
i'm sure there are trots who _aren't_ trolls, i just don't think i know any personally
there's at least one anti-trans site that has used old posts on this site as ammo fwiw, not exactly major-league shit but one can't rule out the possibility
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 31 August 2023 19:05 (two years ago)
wow i fucked up that quote, oh well
trots are basically trolls after about 1990 - long before then in many cases - arguably the big man himself was one of the best
as for the other thing I guess that was wishful thinking on my part, sorry
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 31 August 2023 19:19 (two years ago)
being a trot means being a #resistance liberal patriot to an entity that no longer exists so the various splinter groups all had to go in weird new directions if they were going to survive - the o'neill/spiked/LM crew were seeing the writing on the wall and taking a hard right turn relatively early and they've been fairly well integrated into the conservative establishment by now
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 31 August 2023 19:28 (two years ago)
i have suggested a terfwatch 77 thread before, still not sure if it's a good idea, but would solve this question at least
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 31 August 2023 19:31 (two years ago)
at what point do trots become indistinguishable from advocates of hoxhaist posadism, i guess is the question
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 31 August 2023 19:37 (two years ago)
you say terfmartyr...
― NickB, Thursday, 31 August 2023 19:37 (two years ago)
inertia and residual organisational muscle memory from having an actual political tradition at one time is the only real difference now so I guess the answer is until that burns out and/or adapts to new agendas and we've been there for a while now xp
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 31 August 2023 19:43 (two years ago)
that and having much more boring fixations than communing with aliens from your bunker or whatever
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 31 August 2023 19:45 (two years ago)
The @Independent's review of the new Roisin Murphy album spends paragraphs fretting that she might be "cancelled," but barely touches on *why* LGBTQ fans feel hurt, betrayed, and used. Fortunately this person in the comments section nails it pic.twitter.com/jYV37TolHg— Chris Stedman (@ChrisDStedman) August 31, 2023
― NickB, Thursday, 31 August 2023 19:48 (two years ago)
otm
― omar little, Thursday, 31 August 2023 20:23 (two years ago)
hunt for new collaborators goes on
she apologized. u can keep her— Ariel Pink (@arielxpink) August 30, 2023
― NickB, Thursday, 31 August 2023 20:33 (two years ago)
shot by both sides
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Thursday, 31 August 2023 20:34 (two years ago)
Lol that’s a new low
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 31 August 2023 21:04 (two years ago)
i'd pay at least $50 for a show that was just an MMA dude beating the shit out of Ariel Pink for an hour
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 31 August 2023 21:23 (two years ago)
Not that anyone likely wants to remember, but Ariel Pink has been guilty of attempted apology on at least one occasion.
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Thursday, 31 August 2023 21:47 (two years ago)
i'd pay at least $50 for a show that was just an MMA dude beating the shit out of Ariel Pink for an hour― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)
trade out the MMA dude for a ripped trans woman and i'm in
course then the TERFs would claim that we had a biological advantage when it comes to beating the shit out of ariel pink. sigh. you just can't win sometimes.
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 31 August 2023 22:21 (two years ago)
Huh, the links to AP's twitter apology at the end of the Pitchfork piece have been deleted. I always delete my most sincere apologies, so I'm sure that's what happened.
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 31 August 2023 22:24 (two years ago)
having seen him walking the streets of my former hood, shirtless and chain smoking, i can safely say one would have a biological advantage over ariel pink by showing up to the fight alive.
― omar little, Thursday, 31 August 2023 22:26 (two years ago)
The pomo quotation flow-chart of Overpowered's CD liners seems pretty prescient.
https://i.discogs.com/ifMmwSdqOo_nICeEZ3HdMbfQs936O_tgM323cYoDm18/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTExMTc2/MDItMTQ2MzA4MzQ4/NS02NTU0LmpwZWc.jpeg
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Thursday, 31 August 2023 22:54 (two years ago)
having seen him walking the streets of my former hood, shirtless and chain smoking, i can safely say one would have a biological advantage over ariel pink by showing up to the fight alive.― omar little
i offered to fight him with one hand tied behind my back and he said i'd have a biological advantage at _that_, too
and that's when i realized that i _also_ should probably start deleting my old tweets
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 31 August 2023 23:39 (two years ago)
Was reading that Ariel Pink "apology" which also had a defense from his girlfriend at the time. Then discovered she has accused him of emotionally, physically and sexually abusing her. Go figure.
― octobeard, Friday, 1 September 2023 00:03 (two years ago)
#istandwithroisinmurphy trending on twitter in the UK atm with all the worst people chipping in. Suzanne Moore calling the entire music industry cowards for not speaking up to defend her, which is correct in one regard - i havent seen a single musician taking her side, discounting a handful of nobody chancers trying to flog their own music to seething terfs. Spiked have published an article entitled, in all seriousness, "The never-ending persecution of Róisín Murphy". For libertarians they seem to be adopting quite a moralistic stance against her label choosing to do exactly what they wish. Many calls for a boycott of Ninja Tune from people who hadnt heard of Roisin Murphy until yesterday, i'm sure that The Bug is in a crisis meeting with Barry Can't Swim even as we speak. Everyone having a meltdown that the Rough Trade appearances have been cancelled, even though I'd imagine Murphy is probably too traumatised right now to want to do a fucking meet and greet with these wonderful new fans she's gained (I do feel a little bit sorry for her tbh, I know that's probably wrong of me). The rest of the world seems to have moved on
― NickB, Friday, 1 September 2023 23:49 (two years ago)
Hasn't the never-ending persecution only bein going on for about a week and a half
― PaulTMA, Saturday, 2 September 2023 00:01 (two years ago)
And it's a weird sort of persecution where generally people can't wait to leave her alone forever
― NickB, Saturday, 2 September 2023 00:14 (two years ago)
(I do feel a little bit sorry for her tbh, I know that's probably wrong of me). The rest of the world seems to have moved on― NickB
if it helps any _i_ keep finding myself feeling sorry for her, before catching hold of myself and going "ok, wait, hold on a sec..."
murphy has absolutely betrayed all of her non-awful fans, but the whole thing where she does something incredibly stupid that has everybody looking at her and then spends the next week and a half flailing about desperately, in the process somehow managing to make the disaster she completely unnecessarily created _worse_ until everybody she ever knew decides the only way to keep their sanity is to pretend she doesn't exist is, uh
oh no wait that's that bpd thing where i project my own traumatic life experiences onto the lives of people who have nothing at all to do with me and are fundamentally unlike me in every meaningful way, isn't it?
― Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 2 September 2023 01:40 (two years ago)
singles all amazing so far. shaping up as potential aoty contender― LaMDA barry-stanners (||||||||), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 18:13 bookmarkflaglink
welp GGs. I’ll never know
― LaMDA barry-stanners (||||||||), Saturday, 2 September 2023 05:40 (two years ago)
can we get an instrumental release? koze's involvement and production remains the main selling point for my interest in this record
― pitted (blue6ave), Saturday, 2 September 2023 05:58 (two years ago)
in a way this is the best thing she could have done for her career, a nice interview with The Guardian Saturday supplement about her artistry would never have got her name trending on Twitter. Maybe next time she could make some statements denying the Holocaust and get an appearance on The One Show
― boxedjoy, Saturday, 2 September 2023 07:08 (two years ago)
She may well be the first prominent person to outright reject the Terf love-bombing. That’d be.. something at least.
― piscesx, Saturday, 2 September 2023 07:57 (two years ago)
Fully anticipate there will be thousands of people to listen to her new album when it's eventually released, many without having realized about the online storm. This doesn't look like it has registered on everyone's radar / level of scrutiny and to be more than a couple weeks of damage control.
Her initial statement was preposterous. But it also sounds like silliness and the kind of dumb thing artists say when they fall in the trap of misinformation. And proud and unapologetic or not, more like a one-time offence than a proof of permanent evil or contre-nature political association. I respect people who are disappointed, outraged, ready to mark her as a black sheep, everyone is free to set the bar, but I disagree with the prophecy it's the end of her career. Hate to say that as a concluding point, but this kind of thing gets drowned in the noise of much worse being said out there.
― Nabozo, Saturday, 2 September 2023 08:53 (two years ago)
It was not a one-time thing. Everyone knows exactly who Glinner is and what he stands for and how he conducts himself. She commented on a post complaining about his show being cancelled to repeat a load of terf tropes that you don’t just pick up by accident!
― ydkb (gyac), Saturday, 2 September 2023 09:06 (two years ago)
with a proper apology she'd have probably been able to get away with it for the most part (though a whole lot of her fanbase still wouldn't really trust her), but it was very much not a proper apology. idk that this will kill her career but it will heavily damage it in a way that a lot of other acts wouldn't have been, just because she's a rather niche artist with a very disproportionately queer fanbase.
now if she triples down and makes her next album about being a cancelled and silenced adult human female then that absolutely would kill her career, but i'd hope she's smarter than that. would be kind of absurdly funny but also rather sad to even approach going full glinner
― ufo, Saturday, 2 September 2023 09:20 (two years ago)
Xp and her fanbase isn't the type to overlook this. It is completely at odds with who she is as an artist, the audience she's cultivated and the narrative myths of her own career. It isn't possible to listen to queer icon Roisin Murphy sing about love and freedom when she's demonstrated she has zero consideration for her queer audience and the terms of her love and freedom are conditional. Her career is going to go the same way as Morrissey.
― boxedjoy, Saturday, 2 September 2023 09:22 (two years ago)
My favourite part of Roisin Murphy's statement is the bit where she implies she can't be accused of hurting the LGBT community because she's never cynically tried to pocket from them or any demographic... pic.twitter.com/8QGWaQV189— SHANE REACTION (@imshanereaction) August 29, 2023
― ydkb (gyac), Saturday, 2 September 2023 09:25 (two years ago)
now if she triples down and makes her next album about being a cancelled and silenced adult human female then that absolutely would kill her career
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n9bHi_3CFg
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 2 September 2023 11:23 (two years ago)
idk that this will kill her career but it will heavily damage it in a way that a lot of other acts wouldn't have been, just because she's a rather niche artist with a very disproportionately queer fanbase.
Well, she definitely won't be working with Ninja Tune again, and she seems destined now to journey around the industry begging for a soft landing every few years like Morrissey.
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 2 September 2023 12:19 (two years ago)
She’s never had to organise her own press or marketing because she’s always been on boutique majors or large indies with staff to do it all for her, and a manager to organise the stylists and collabs. If nobody will do those tasks for her, and nobody good wants to work with her, she’s going to have a tough time doing it herself.
― steely flan (suzy), Saturday, 2 September 2023 12:45 (two years ago)
Her initial statement was preposterous. But it also sounds like silliness and the kind of dumb thing artists say when they fall in the trap of misinformation. And proud and unapologetic or not, more like a one-time offence than a proof of permanent evil or contre-nature political association. I respect people who are disappointed, outraged, ready to mark her as a black sheep, everyone is free to set the bar, but I disagree with the prophecy it's the end of her career. Hate to say that as a concluding point, but this kind of thing gets drowned in the noise of much worse being said out there.― Nabozo
― Nabozo
i think that... your take on this might benefit from some additional consideration. i guess it's true that promoting bigotry is "misinformed" but from where i'm sitting it's difficult to dismiss as "silliness".
She may well be the first prominent person to outright reject the Terf love-bombing. That’d be.. something at least.― piscesx
― piscesx
i mean i will say this for murphy. she certainly is _something_. i don't know how to read this. she's a transphobe but doesn't want to hang out with the other transphobes? she's an advocate for people's right to be bigots in the privacy of their own homes, just don't do it out in public where the children can see it?
― Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 2 September 2023 14:46 (two years ago)
if I had to guess the overtly right wing nature of the support is off-putting for a self-identified progressive (in the UK media echo chamber transphobia is not seen as right wing) - you see this kind of discomfort a lot in baby terfs - they usually get over any squeamishness about their new allies soon enough (and for many liberals transphobia becomes their excuse to adopt more right wing positions across the board) - so if she wants to keep her new fanbase (such as it is) she'd better double down soon unless she wants to be totally isolated
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Saturday, 2 September 2023 15:44 (two years ago)
as for the other comment I hope nabozo is simply unaware of the context and not just concern trolling
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Saturday, 2 September 2023 15:45 (two years ago)
of course it could simply be an economic calculation on her / her people's part - how much more gay money can she afford to lose right now? maybe she has access to new sources of money now but even then it's still a headache for whoever deals with her finances
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Saturday, 2 September 2023 16:00 (two years ago)
i'm not sure that many of the online fascist community are actually going to buy her records even if she goes unrepentantly vocally trans hate so i'd say career considerations are almost all that's gone on so far
― da elephant in daruma (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 2 September 2023 16:04 (two years ago)
The pinned comment on her insta was a p definitive comment on where her head & heart are at, the quality of the pr statement was already kind of moot at that stage
― Grandall Flange (wins), Saturday, 2 September 2023 16:09 (two years ago)
sure and sure but there are other sources of funding if people decide your voice is important enough- she may not be seen as a reliable or important enough investment as far as US evangelical groups are concerned but who knows and I could see she who must not be named chucking her a spare ivory backscratcher or two
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Saturday, 2 September 2023 16:26 (two years ago)
Yeah sorry wasn’t responding to recent posts just picking at an earlier thread
― Grandall Flange (wins), Saturday, 2 September 2023 16:35 (two years ago)
Kind of forgot about that pinned comment, that was probably actually the worst signifier of her stance, especially considering the source of it if I recall correctly is someone who is virulently anti-trans?
― omar little, Saturday, 2 September 2023 19:26 (two years ago)
i guess the thing that i take away from this - and this has _fuck-all_ to do with murphy and everything to do with me, i don't know shit about murphy and don't know or care why she's behaving in such an incredibly awful way all of a sudden...
but her bullshit just makes me think about how every six months or so i alienate and/or betray the people who care about me most in the world by saying or doing shit that is incredibly cruel and hurtful to them and clearly, manifestly wrong, for basically no apparent reason at all. then, when i'm called on it, i try to "repair the damage" in ways that only serve to further cause anybody who held me in any sort of esteem to conclude, logically enough, that they can't possibly trust me anymore, that no matter how they feel about me continuing to associate with me won't help me and will only cause them further pain. that's just like normal for me, that's just me being on my bpd shit, no real significance to my behavior beyond that.
so to the extent anybody cares at all about what the hell murphy is thinking about all this - and i'd argue that nobody should, it makes no difference at all _why_ she's done this terrible stuff... that's my bullshit hot take.
― Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 2 September 2023 22:27 (two years ago)
Well all I'm saying is that when she says she's an artist first and not an activist, I believe her. She stepped out of line, said shit, decides to shut up, leaving no one happy. I am not that surprised that a queer / gay icon suddenly proves not to be well versed and knowledgeable about trans health and the thorny ramifications of online discourse. An icon is rarely an authority. I plead naivety and blunder, but that's just me and I'm not part of the queer community and I ask no one to conclude the same. As Kate says directly above though, it's easy to say shit even when you should have known.
― Nabozo, Sunday, 3 September 2023 08:38 (two years ago)
Nah, bozo.
― ydkb (gyac), Sunday, 3 September 2023 09:04 (two years ago)
Lmao thanks zing, but my point stands (three times!)
― ydkb (gyac), Sunday, 3 September 2023 09:05 (two years ago)
I'm not part of the queer community
no shit
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Sunday, 3 September 2023 09:30 (two years ago)
I am not that surprised that a queer / gay icon suddenly proves not to be well versed and knowledgeable about trans health
but this is the whole problem! this isn't some elderly shut-in whose never met a trans person (as far as the know) and gets all their "info" from right-wing media. if she was "naive" about trans health, maybe instead of memorizing some transphobe talking points and posting them in the vicinity of a notorious transphobe, she could have talked to one of the trans people she was adjacent to for years.
but she wasn't naive. your framing makes it sound like she said something almost accidentally transphobic -- she literally starts off begging to not be called a terf and asks people to stop using that word "against women." she knows exactly what discourse she's in. in her response statement she says "I knew my friends were informed about the topic," but which friends is she talking about here?
― rob, Sunday, 3 September 2023 12:39 (two years ago)
Also we have her former stylist, who is trans but worked with her before transition, saying she isn’t their idea of an ally (which is putting it mildly).
― steely flan (suzy), Sunday, 3 September 2023 12:44 (two years ago)
she doesn't have to be an authority but when you're an "icon", you can't plead ignorance and naivety either
give me a fucking break, bozo
― Murgatroid, Sunday, 3 September 2023 14:08 (two years ago)
I plead naivety and blunder, but that's just me and I'm not part of the queer community and I ask no one to conclude the same. As Kate says directly above though, it's easy to say shit even when you should have known.― Nabozo
i think you might have been reading my previous statement wrong. when i say it doesn't matter why she's said the things she's said, i mean that her offensive and bigoted statements, as well as her lack of recognition of the ways in which their offensive and her inability or unwillingness to make a meaningful apology for them, basically require the same sort of response one would give to someone who's being maliciously bigoted.
which is perhaps why you're getting such pushback from folks on the board here. the way you're behaving here is fairly rude, hurtful, and offensive to people who _are_ part of the queer community, including me. i'm not angry at you, i don't hate you, but i would strongly advise you to take a step back and try and understand why you're getting a hostile response from your statements here.
pleading ignorance is not a persuasive option here, i'm afraid. you spoke up on a topic you were ignorant about while ignoring the feedback of people who were _not_ ignorant about, who have direct lived experience of the topic.
look. i'm not unsympathetic. i do have a habit of providing my unsolicited uninformed opinions in the presence of people who actually know what they're talking about. i've done this my whole life, and i'm getting better at it, but, you know, sometimes i make mistakes. when i make a mistake like that, i recognize that it was a mistake, i provide a sincere apology - which looks like "shit, you know a lot more about this stuff than i do, i'm just going to go ahead and figure that you're right about this and i'm wrong", rather than "well, we all have our own opinions and i'm just not going to talk about it" - and after i make a sincere apology, i accept the consequences, because an apology doesn't excuse what i did or said any more than my ignorance does.
murphy conspicuously failed to do all these things, and she failed to do all these things to an extent that some people have voiced suspicions that her actions may have been an actual act of self-sabotage, despite the lack of any evidence to support this belief, just because her actions are so _unbelievably_ self-destructive.
ah, you know, i do find her sympathetic because i find her actions to be so relatable. i guess maybe other people find her behavior really relatable as well. i don't know.
― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 3 September 2023 15:23 (two years ago)
ugh:
Music industry figures are checking their bank balances rather than express any support for Roisin Murphy. A brilliant artist and a fabulous woman @roisinmurphy pic.twitter.com/jRwBPynsLt— Dave Haslam (@Mr_Dave_Haslam) September 2, 2023
💯 @Mr_Dave_Haslam !— Pete Heller (@peteheller) September 2, 2023
― NickB, Sunday, 3 September 2023 18:00 (two years ago)
No Pete no
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 3 September 2023 18:03 (two years ago)
If nothing else that tweet coming up in my feed gave me new names to immediately stop following
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 3 September 2023 18:05 (two years ago)
it's always good and useful when the chum shows up the sharks
― da elephant in daruma (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 September 2023 18:16 (two years ago)
No surprises here I suppose
https://x.com/alkapranos/status/1698378767247298878?s=46&t=bJOqpCuQneT7ju08y55VSA
― piscesx, Sunday, 3 September 2023 19:14 (two years ago)
I was going to mention P*phides' thread. He could have just ended it after the sixth tweet but then what's really on his mind wouldn't be as clear.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 3 September 2023 19:25 (two years ago)
absolutely shocked no wait
― da elephant in daruma (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 September 2023 19:26 (two years ago)
Just another civility addict out there missing the point.
― steely flan (suzy), Sunday, 3 September 2023 19:31 (two years ago)
So no, I don't agree with 'cancelling' people. Apart from those who actually dish it out of course, who irritate me more than the horrible people whose harm and hypocrisy they're calling out. It's just HATE (unlike the viewpoints the hate is aimed towards)
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 3 September 2023 19:39 (two years ago)
i know this guy is a bit of nob sometimes but
I once saw #IStandWithRòisínMurphy Pull the “Do you know who I am” To a doorman at a party He replied “yeh I do” and still didn’t let her in… I stand with that doorman #TransRightsAreHumanRights— 🏴☠️ Geoff Barrow 🏴☠️ (@jetfury) September 3, 2023
― NickB, Sunday, 3 September 2023 21:21 (two years ago)
Glinner is so close to getting his GC 'Coming Out' day he begged for a couple of years back
― PaulTMA, Sunday, 3 September 2023 21:25 (two years ago)
Haha yeah.
― piscesx, Sunday, 3 September 2023 21:28 (two years ago)
A friend says Paphides is a notoriously argumentative and grudgeful, very surprising
I don't actually remember the old yore days of Agreeinge To Disagree At The Pub, it's almost like it's a made-up idea
Civility is a privilege when you've got no skin in the game
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 4 September 2023 11:03 (two years ago)
politics as pleasant pub conversation with friends
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 4 September 2023 11:45 (two years ago)
Memories are short here; I remember him posting support for Jess Phillips’ leadership campaign! This is similar in naïveté.
― steely flan (suzy), Monday, 4 September 2023 11:59 (two years ago)
Agreeing to disagree at the pub is absolutely the norm where I live, and there are merits to that, but I do take the point about civility as privilege.
― mike t-diva, Monday, 4 September 2023 12:08 (two years ago)
Nice one, Dorian.
https://x.com/dorianlynskey/status/1698655194685309071?s=46&t=bJOqpCuQneT7ju08y55VSA
― piscesx, Monday, 4 September 2023 12:10 (two years ago)
https://i.imgur.com/k516Xyi.png
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 4 September 2023 12:25 (two years ago)
When I saw Pete’s thread I did think a couple of writers in his friend circle might push back, and I’m pleased it was Dorian.
― steely flan (suzy), Monday, 4 September 2023 12:58 (two years ago)
I think he has confused arguing about politics with arguing about the best Crowded House record
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 4 September 2023 13:00 (two years ago)
Not surprised at Dorian pushing back at all. Sadly seen others supporting Haslam/Paphides too.
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Monday, 4 September 2023 13:01 (two years ago)
Dorian Lynskey putting that in a reply where nobody will see it - what can I say, I remember him continuing to have Helen Lewis on his podcast long after she’d shown her true colours on this very subject, and he’s a typical liberal straight down the middle bser.
I wouldn't support a university full of Judith Butlers either.— Dorian Lynskey (@Dorianlynskey) November 8, 2021
― ydkb (gyac), Monday, 4 September 2023 14:36 (two years ago)
these people aren’t fit to lick judith butler’s shoes
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 4 September 2023 14:45 (two years ago)
lol forgot why I muted Dorian Lynskey when I went to check that tweet but he'll stay muted
― Murgatroid, Monday, 4 September 2023 14:48 (two years ago)
huh! did not realize that Dorian was disliked. but I only really know him thru ilx.
― jaymc, Monday, 4 September 2023 14:59 (two years ago)
Everyone is disliked on ilx if you dont share holier than thou politics..
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Monday, 4 September 2023 15:02 (two years ago)
UK politics on ilx is hardly "holier than thou" ffs, it's minimum bog standard left wing views, which Dorian doesn't share.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 4 September 2023 15:04 (two years ago)
tbh I probably muted him bc I found him annoying, not for his politics
― Murgatroid, Monday, 4 September 2023 15:06 (two years ago)
the man has a podcast with ian dunt
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 4 September 2023 15:08 (two years ago)
I remember DL’s absolute dismissal of the role of white supremacy in the Tory victory in 2019 as a factor, but sure, these things don’t have any consequences for people in the real world.
― ydkb (gyac), Monday, 4 September 2023 15:09 (two years ago)
― deep wubs and tribral rhythms (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 4 September 2023 15:12 (two years ago)
yeah idk anything about his politics and have no idea who "ian dunt" is. only surprised bc he seemed like a smart, reasonable, and uncontroversial person when he posted here.
― jaymc, Monday, 4 September 2023 15:13 (two years ago)
Should always call him The Spectator's Dorian Lynskey
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 4 September 2023 15:14 (two years ago)
couldn’t be less surprised at the p*phides thread. would be great to see someone with similar status in that world of culty british music / culture writers go against him. not going to happen is it.
― houdini said, Monday, 4 September 2023 15:35 (two years ago)
when will the woke ilx mob stop ragging on professional centrists for not being holier than thou enough?
― da elephant in daruma (Noodle Vague), Monday, 4 September 2023 15:35 (two years ago)
No idea who ian dunt is either. Rhyming slang?
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Monday, 4 September 2023 15:47 (two years ago)
You know ilx politics but you don't know who Ian Dunt is?
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 4 September 2023 15:50 (two years ago)
Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai) at 4:47 4 Sept 23No idea who ian dunt is either. Rhyming slang?
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 4 September 2023 15:51 (two years ago)
I had no idea about this story - I assumed this thread kept popping up because she had a new album out - until I saw a thinkpiece by Brendan O'Neill's little mini-me, Ella Whelan, in the Telegraph today.
The piece, beneath a photograph of a lonely Glinner just thinking abaout things, was about a mea culpa from some Irish writer I'd never heard of along the lines of "Sorry Glinz, you were right all along", which was apparently provoked by the response to Murphy's comments.
Meanwhile Murphy herself seems to have decided to act as if the whole incident never happened and carry on promoting her "fantastically reviewed" new album.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 September 2023 14:29 (two years ago)
Basically this was just more content thrown out to the Terf Intustrial Complex. Her ex-fans have moved on.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 7 September 2023 14:34 (two years ago)
That Irish writer was John Boyne, who may be the biggest piece of shit to ever slip from Ireland's stinking arse.
― droid, Thursday, 7 September 2023 15:24 (two years ago)
Out of curiosity I asked a friend who is active in trans research and trans rights work (but does not follow music or pop culture at all) if this had crossed her desk, and no, of course she had never heard of RM.
― 50 Favorite Jordans (Jordan), Thursday, 7 September 2023 15:29 (two years ago)
― ydkb (gyac), Thursday, 7 September 2023 17:26 (two years ago)
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/sep/07/roisin-murphy-hit-parade-review
― stirmonster, Thursday, 7 September 2023 22:13 (two years ago)
I have some sympathy for Snapes having heard what does sound like a good album months ago but at least knock one star off!
― nashwan, Thursday, 7 September 2023 22:48 (two years ago)
Yeah, Laura did the best she could.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 September 2023 22:54 (two years ago)
This is the third time in four years that John Boyne has tried to make nice with Glinner. Coincidentally he picked up 600 new followers for defending Murphy last week, and has a new book out soon.As well as fighting with the Auschwitz Museum for getting the Holocaust wrong, he is so dedicated to doing his own research and thoroughly analyzing what he reads that in 2020 he included monster body parts and fantasy mushrooms in a historical novel, because he googled “how to dye clothes red” and found a Zelda video game walkthrough.
― vashti funyuns (sic), Thursday, 7 September 2023 23:14 (two years ago)
I mean I was excited for the album too because I really like Dj Koze as a producer and was interested in hearing what he could do with Roisin - and yeah I’ll probably listen to it either way - but a 5 star rating is a bit exaggerated just going by the singles released so far.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 7 September 2023 23:16 (two years ago)
Given the Guardian's previous approach to trans rights in the past few years I would not be surprised if Snapes' rating was originally lower and an editorial decision was taken by someone above her
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 7 September 2023 23:42 (two years ago)
we don’t have to review this record
― ivy., Friday, 8 September 2023 00:20 (two years ago)
idk maybe it’s better that ppl have a conversation about it but as a queer person and a trans woman this has totally annihilated whatever pleasure i could take in her music
― ivy., Friday, 8 September 2023 00:32 (two years ago)
so like why even handwring
― ivy., Friday, 8 September 2023 00:35 (two years ago)
boyne wrote a novel about a trans teen a few years ago, which was fairly typical ignorant cis writer muddling through, didn't come across as outright malicious but still offensive and very out of touch. then he accompanied it with a very both-sides newspaper column on trans rights, rambling about how he supported trans rights but rejected the term 'cis' and he supported navratilova's transphobia but not linehan's and rightfully got a lot of shit for all that. in response to being criticised he's tripled down (as he did when criticised by the auschtwitz museum) and eventually decided actually linehan is right.
― ufo, Friday, 8 September 2023 00:37 (two years ago)
i'd been thinking this could shape up to be her best solo album but it isn't (fortunately?), merely good-not-great. some wonderful tracks ("free will" especially) but also some that don't really work with very strange processing on the vocals.
it's weird to feel glad to be a bit underwhelmed by something
― ufo, Friday, 8 September 2023 01:27 (two years ago)
"I checked!"
Well, those reports were unconfirmed by the label. They have made no official statement whatsoever and they are not intending to donate proceeds from the record to charity. I checked!— Róisín Murphy (@roisinmurphy) September 8, 2023
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Friday, 8 September 2023 11:31 (two years ago)
How nice for her.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Friday, 8 September 2023 11:48 (two years ago)
if I ran an acclaimed indie label with a newly outed TERF, I would simply have issued a statement from the start and said trans rights with my chest and not through a source but I do not run an acclaimed indie label so what do I know
― Murgatroid, Friday, 8 September 2023 11:52 (two years ago)
if you want to get a feeling for how twitter is going outside your bubble then have a look at the replies and QTs on Snapes's review. and the community note they've added.
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 8 September 2023 11:52 (two years ago)
The transphobes and Hadley Freeman are losing their minds (again).
Ratings aside that was a very well handled review.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 8 September 2023 11:56 (two years ago)
in all seriousness, I still respect Ninja Tune for what was initially reported (and I hope Roisin is wrong) but their own silence is confusing (is it for legal reasons? safety?) considering Raisin's own silence is what really escalated the situation imo
― Murgatroid, Friday, 8 September 2023 11:59 (two years ago)
can always rely on this guy for a bad take:
Your reminder that Róisín Murphy is being vilified for comments whose substance accords with what is now accepted to be best practice by the NHS.Yes, I'm still banging on about it. I will do so as long as that vilification continues. Because this is some bullsh*t right here. https://t.co/xwyxKZhoVV— (((David Bennun))) (@DavidBennun) September 8, 2023
― NickB, Friday, 8 September 2023 12:06 (two years ago)
Lots of TERF love-bombing as usual.
The quote-tweets on her ‘I checked..’ comment tell a far more interesting story. Mostly probably because TERFs don’t know how to use quote-tweets.
― piscesx, Friday, 8 September 2023 12:39 (two years ago)
Big 'we get as many complaints from one side as the other' outcome for the Graun
― nashwan, Friday, 8 September 2023 12:41 (two years ago)
Which is interesting in itself considering TERFs say ‘99.9% of people’ agree with them.
― piscesx, Friday, 8 September 2023 12:45 (two years ago)
Do they also say they have the backing of "the silent majority"?
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Friday, 8 September 2023 12:55 (two years ago)
Freeman snidely side sniping at Snapes is it
― nashwan, Friday, 8 September 2023 13:37 (two years ago)
You're in for a rude awakening when the wave of performative support from the worst people on the planet you are currently enjoying for being an open bigot ends and you realize you destroyed your career. And for what? To make queer people's lives harder? Embarrassing.— André (@jygglypuffdadTV) September 8, 2023
― School of RAAC (Noodle Vague), Friday, 8 September 2023 14:13 (two years ago)
she liked a tweet criticising boyne for apologising to linehan so who knows what the hell she's thinking lol. using twitter again can't possibly help her though
― ufo, Friday, 8 September 2023 14:33 (two years ago)
be mad if someone had stripped all the vocals and just had a wicked DJ Koze record to listen to wouldn't it. pic.twitter.com/OiVgcGOw5j— bloatyhead (@bloatyhead) September 8, 2023
― ydkb (gyac), Friday, 8 September 2023 15:00 (two years ago)
yes please re: instrumental release
― pitted (blue6ave), Friday, 8 September 2023 15:38 (two years ago)
I'm not on twitter anymore so I can't see what she responded to, but has it turned out that Ninja Tune is not donating to charity and not actually dropping her?
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 8 September 2023 15:55 (two years ago)
The story about Ninja Tune donating all proceeds came from "a source familiar with the matter told the Star on background" not from the label itself.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 8 September 2023 15:59 (two years ago)
at the very least, Ninja Tune is definitely not publicizing her at all.
― omar little, Friday, 8 September 2023 16:00 (two years ago)
It sounds like Murphy checked with them and found it isn't true. If you believe her.
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 8 September 2023 16:01 (two years ago)
I do feel bad for the producers who worked hard on this (is Koze the sole producer?). My most streamed piece of music by a wide margin was for a rapper who later got (rightfully) canceled. :/
― 50 Favorite Jordans (Jordan), Friday, 8 September 2023 16:02 (two years ago)
never seen anyone implicitly so happy to learn a charity *wouldn't* be getting money
― omar little, Friday, 8 September 2023 16:04 (two years ago)
She’ll be donating any earnings she makes to The Human Fund
― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Friday, 8 September 2023 16:46 (two years ago)
Ok gave this one a chance and trying to hear separating the art from the artist:
There’s no way this is a 5 star album even removed from the current controversy. Way too long, with a lot of songs that don’t do anything particularly interesting. Couple of highlights sure but this is at most a 3.5 star album imho.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 8 September 2023 19:54 (two years ago)
And yeah most interesting things are what DJ Koze is cooking in the background but it wouldn’t work as an instrumental either.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 8 September 2023 19:55 (two years ago)
(is Koze the sole producer?)
Yes, she's returned to the original model of doing each album with a single also-makes-their-own-records producer. (Parrot on Roisin Machine and Fulton on the 2018 albumsworth-of-EPs.) (There was also a Mad Professor collab in progress, but he has two co-write credits on Hit Parade, so maybe that stalled out and she salvaged parts of songs.)
― vashti funyuns (sic), Friday, 8 September 2023 20:09 (two years ago)
A student at the radio station forwarded me the streamable link, so I felt no guilt about giving her royalties in the last couple days, and...it's fine? Certainly not at the level of Róisín Machine
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 9 September 2023 22:11 (two years ago)
idk the dennun take above is some classic "accidental ally" shit to me. "if you think murphy is a bigot, that means you also disagree with the official nhs policy on trans healthcare!" yeppers! do they say "yeppers" in the uk? they should. the uk needs to steal all of our most embarrassing slang.
signed,
an american who still likes to call things she doesn't like "naff"
― Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 9 September 2023 22:56 (two years ago)
Bennun's also spreading disinformation about the Cass Review. He's been doubling down on his GC stance over the past couple of years, all while presenting himself as a moderate: of course I support trans rights he claims, while pushing exclusively GC arguments and defending the likes of Helen Joyce. I'd say Bennun was a classic aggro centrist who lost his mind over Corbyn, but he's always been like this. I've seen MM articles of his from the 90s where he sets himself up as the sensible grown up who is much wiser than some silly out group, eg a Levellers review that expends much of the word count sneering at crusties walking by his Brighton cafe while he sits sipping his cappuccino and reading the Times (he did a similar thing more recently with his Cypress Hill piece, inventing some straw man CH fan to sneer at). A lousy music writer and an even lousier political commentator.
― Composition 40b (Stew), Sunday, 10 September 2023 15:03 (two years ago)
Think we need a 77 Terfwatch thread
― I am using your worlds, Sunday, 10 September 2023 15:19 (two years ago)
Done.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Sunday, 10 September 2023 15:36 (two years ago)
Hey, name me one band you always assumed were pricks despite never hearing a note of their music? Btw, Roisin Murphy was apparently the special guest at Fat White Family's gig in Brixton last night
― NickB, Sunday, 10 September 2023 16:34 (two years ago)
lol fat white family's twitter likes are filled with faux-left reactionaries like nina power so that checks out lol
― ufo, Sunday, 10 September 2023 18:02 (two years ago)
Fat White Family do have a previous connection: the guitarist and singer have an extensive Dean Honer collab, and in 2019 Parrot remixed and Roisin directed a video for them
― vashti funyuns (sic), Sunday, 10 September 2023 21:25 (two years ago)
her new fans have actually come through for her:
Albums Chart Update: Roisin Murphy's Hit Parade hits the Top 3 midweek https://t.co/UAfPvP4qtD pic.twitter.com/JbuEF5JVYx— Official Charts (@officialcharts) September 11, 2023
her new fans:
Bought it!My usual choice of music is trad folk from Donegal, but, well.... why not try something new?— Theo Hopkins (@TheoHopkins4321) September 11, 2023
― NickB, Monday, 11 September 2023 17:27 (two years ago)
Most amusing seeing TERFs saying they’ve ‘just downloaded it on Spofity’ and such like.
― piscesx, Monday, 11 September 2023 17:38 (two years ago)
I am morbidly curious to see who would work with her on her next album
― Murgatroid, Monday, 11 September 2023 17:44 (two years ago)
It will be a collab with J.K. Rowling.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 11 September 2023 17:44 (two years ago)
It's not exactly difficult to get albums in the UK Top 10, Morrissey does it all the time only for the album to plummet out the next week, we'll see how it goes for her album. I imagine it'll still sell reasonably well tbh.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Monday, 11 September 2023 17:49 (two years ago)
"My usual choice of music is trad folk from Donegal." LOL
What a pretentious twat.
These are the people you traded your loyal fans for, Roisin?
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 11 September 2023 17:50 (two years ago)
would be great if, after the terfs all fork out their money, ninja tune announce they are going to donate the proceeds to mermaids after all
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 11 September 2023 17:54 (two years ago)
you should check his profile description xp
― NickB, Monday, 11 September 2023 18:01 (two years ago)
I'm guessing Pitchfork is not going to review this, which is probably the best decision.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 11 September 2023 18:06 (two years ago)
That Morrissey album going in at 3 and falling from the top 100 the following week was classic. Not even somewhat more niche acts like the Divine Comedy or Deacon Blue have plummets like that (I guess they have the Radio 2 support to thank for that).
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 11 September 2023 18:09 (two years ago)
I'm guessing Pitchfork is not going to review this, which is probably the best decision.― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, September 11, 2023 1:06 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, September 11, 2023 1:06 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I was just thinking this. Given that Murphy was the subject of a rare profile by the site a few months ago (one of only four that it's published in 2023) and that Pitchfork ranked her last album in its year-end top 20, one might have expected a review soon after its release. Roisin Machine and Take Her Up to Monto were both reviewed the Monday after their Friday release, so the lack of a Hit Parade review today seems conspicuous.
― jaymc, Monday, 11 September 2023 18:10 (two years ago)
Weirdly the thought of P4k not reviewing it was one of the first things that originally came to mind re:how this would diminish Murphy's profile. They did the same to Swans this year but not last time round, where a review of the 2019 album was quietly snuck out three weeks post-release.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 11 September 2023 18:12 (two years ago)
They did not include RM in Friday's 10 Albums You Need to Hear Right Now list.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 11 September 2023 18:28 (two years ago)
There's a good chance it won't be top five by Friday when the chart position is announced. Cult-ish artists often do well in the midweek chart, post about it on their social media as though it's the actual chart, and end up a good few rungs lower.
― houdini said, Monday, 11 September 2023 19:40 (two years ago)
Anything that means I don't have to look at that cover again
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 11 September 2023 19:53 (two years ago)
1 Album You Don't Need to Hear Right Now
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 11 September 2023 19:54 (two years ago)
It really is a hideous sleeve.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 September 2023 19:56 (two years ago)
I don't have any real issues with the image, but that font irritates me.
― henry s, Monday, 11 September 2023 20:15 (two years ago)
image seems appropriate for someone who turned out to be a fucking clown
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 11 September 2023 20:29 (two years ago)
"My usual choice of music is trad folk from Donegal." LOLWhat a pretentious twat.These are the people you traded your loyal fans for, Roisin?― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux)
they probably still can't get over the heartbreak of having to throw out all their lou killen records
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 11 September 2023 21:22 (two years ago)
I've noticed a lot of music writers and dance music artists sticking up for her lately
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Monday, 11 September 2023 21:37 (two years ago)
and not just the usual julie burch1ll types
Who?
― piscesx, Monday, 11 September 2023 21:49 (two years ago)
Alex Kapranos
― Lumpy pillows, kiss my ass. Put that in your book (stevie), Monday, 11 September 2023 22:17 (two years ago)
is he a TERF?
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 September 2023 22:22 (two years ago)
he RT'd Paphides' tweet in support of Murphy
― Lumpy pillows, kiss my ass. Put that in your book (stevie), Monday, 11 September 2023 22:38 (two years ago)
https://x.com/alkapranos/status/1698378767247298878?s=20
― Lumpy pillows, kiss my ass. Put that in your book (stevie), Monday, 11 September 2023 22:39 (two years ago)
Trans ERFinand
― imago, Monday, 11 September 2023 22:42 (two years ago)
Ew, I was just enjoying that FFS record the other day.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 11 September 2023 22:42 (two years ago)
I'm guessing that many of these people are TE without being RFs.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 11 September 2023 22:47 (two years ago)
lol yeah I saw someone describe Alice Cooper as a TERF and thought well not exactly
― jaymc, Monday, 11 September 2023 22:49 (two years ago)
Only women bleed though
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 11 September 2023 23:15 (two years ago)
I think pitchfork did the right choice by not acknowledging the existence of the album. Reviewing it is playing a game where you have to choose to separate the art from the artist, the album per se is not bad - it’s probably a 7ish? - so you end up promoting it and somewhat rewarding her.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 12 September 2023 02:07 (two years ago)
momentarily confused Alex Kapranos with Alex Karpovsky of Girls fame
― Murgatroid, Tuesday, 12 September 2023 03:27 (two years ago)
I honestly believe that even if all this had not transpired I'd rank her solo output thusly:
Overpowered > Ruby Blue > Róisín Machine > Mi Senti > Take Her Up to Monto > Hairless Toys > Hit Parade
I was never going to buy it because I don't want that album cover in my house, but fortunately it sucks so I'm not missing out.
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 12 September 2023 03:29 (two years ago)
kapranos just seems to be agreeing with 'cancel culture bad' without really caring about the details - he replied favourably to someone complaining about linehan so he seems to just be doing a naive 'we should all be nicer to each other' thing
― ufo, Tuesday, 12 September 2023 05:04 (two years ago)
oh, so he's just dumb rather than malicious, neat
― Murgatroid, Tuesday, 12 September 2023 05:17 (two years ago)
I interviewed him a bunch of years ago and he was explaining how he was a republican but not a Trump republican, and then said about raising his kids, "My daughter's cool, she hasn't had a bunch of fucking abortions or anything", which was hells of gross.
― Lumpy pillows, kiss my ass. Put that in your book (stevie), Tuesday, 12 September 2023 08:42 (two years ago)
Also interpreted it as a cancel culture thing. Wonder why
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 12 September 2023 11:04 (two years ago)
I'm guessing that many of these people are TE without being RFs.― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux)
"TERF" as far as i can tell is kind of a thing where language evolves. people like janice raymond and michfest, that's the sort of thing i associate with trans-exclusionary radical feminism. you don't really see a lot of that stuff these days. not really sure where the term comes from etymologically tbh! when you do see transphobia intersecting with feminism it's liberal feminism along the lines of j.k. rowling. your old-school terfs tend to come from more of a "feminism is the theory, lesbianism is the practice" school. i'm honestly broadly sympathetic to the notion of political lesbianism, but it doesn't hold up, and it led to some pretty nasty gender-essentialist side effects (i'm not talking about trans stuff here, more along the lines of some radical feminists actually saying things like cw sexual assault only men rape which uhhhh it's not terribly hard to see who benefits from _that_ one).
anyway in theoretical and academic terms that sort of ideology is not really intellectually defensible and i don't see that there seems to be much room for it in queer theory. the problem is that it's basically impossible to formulate a coherent and consistent definition of... and this is the way the question is generally framed... "woman" that doesn't fundamentally reduce womanhood to women's reproductive capacity, and this is being increasingly openly recognized by "gender critical" folks...
i am more and more leaning towards "gender critical" as a descriptor of transphobes... in general i am sympathetic towards endonyms. i don't know if it's intended to a propagandistic or apologetic endonym, i don't know _what_ it's supposed to mean, honestly, nor do i know what people mean when they denounce "gender ideology". does this shit fly with cishets? if you say "gender ideology" to them does that, like, make them unfavorably disposed towards trans rights folks?
anyway, any definition of "woman" that focuses solely on women's reproductive capacity is, uh, hard to reconcile with queer liberation, as well as tending to foreground the central point that trans rights are, at root, a fight for bodily autonomy... it's hard to call any ideological movement that doesn't fight for bodily autonomy "feminist" in any sense of the word imo.
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 12 September 2023 14:21 (two years ago)
@roisinmurphy when we doing a duet ?— BABYBIRD (@babybirdrip) September 12, 2023
― NickB, Tuesday, 12 September 2023 15:40 (two years ago)
looking through his twitter feed, he does not seem to be a very happy man
pic.twitter.com/KDW4Hpiq4X— BABYBIRD (@babybirdrip) September 2, 2023
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 12 September 2023 15:51 (two years ago)
I would have thought writing one of the worst songs of all time might have held him back.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 September 2023 16:02 (two years ago)
Placebo the european emo
― omar little, Tuesday, 12 September 2023 16:05 (two years ago)
re: origins of TERF I'm pretty sure it was coined in the comments on one of those late 00s feminist blogs (possibly feministing) at that time referring to an online fringe who were much more along the lines of classic terfism than liberal transphobes like murphy are. it got picked up by tumblr and the terf faction there really took offence to it which just made it more powerful. by the time liberal celebrities and politicians decided trans people needed to die sooner there was a readymade term to throw at them and even though it doesn't really fit in most cases it works well enough for now and it seems to bother them a lot which is cool
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Tuesday, 12 September 2023 16:21 (two years ago)
oh Babybird mate
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 00:04 (two years ago)
Yes, I am sure that's it, you spent too much time concentrating on the music.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 00:18 (two years ago)
Roisin and Babybird - disMayed In Sheffield
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 00:19 (two years ago)
I don’t know what a babybird sounds like but I’m fine.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 00:28 (two years ago)
Yes, I am sure that's it, you spent too much time concentrating on the music.tbf he did release 11 albums in his first five years as a recording artist
― vashti funyuns (sic), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 01:22 (two years ago)
i am like him in that whenever i am developing a theory of modern fame and creative success, the example that immediately stands out as the one my theory must explain is placebo.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 01:28 (two years ago)
well, uh, so much for Pitchfork ignoring it. haven't read it in detail yet, but seems like the address the controversy and still give it a pretty high score. guess they think the BNM snub is enough?
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 04:19 (two years ago)
They gave her the 8.2999999999999999999
― kirsten gilla band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 04:20 (two years ago)
gotta get those clicks
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 04:25 (two years ago)
i mean, helluva shift here:
Despite her saying that her “true calling is music, and music will never exclude any of us,” her comments feel like a contradiction to the spirit of her best work. The truth is that Hit Parade is the best record of Murphy’s career; it also feels like the definition of a qualified triumph. It is both musically vast and hemmed in by its circumstances, a showcase of everything impressive about the musician sapped of the excitement that has historically made her work feel so vital.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 04:30 (two years ago)
just because it's not my field, what's the timeframe between an album review submission to publication these days?
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 04:36 (two years ago)
The truth is that Hit Parade is the best record of Murphy’s career;
I...uh...nope
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 05:13 (two years ago)
yeah it's weird to see that repeatedly asserted by reviews because it definitely isn't. the possibility seemed open based on the pre-release singles but nope!
― ufo, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 05:25 (two years ago)
Ah, the lesser-spotted European emo
― Stomp Jomperson (dog latin), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 08:26 (two years ago)
(bit late, but that destroyed me upthread)
― Stomp Jomperson (dog latin), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 08:27 (two years ago)
Thanks Pitchfork - “The truth is that Hit Parade is the best record of Murphy’s career” https://t.co/PPWzM7kB9l pic.twitter.com/UStgcrBv5O— Róisín Murphy (@roisinmurphy) September 13, 2023
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 13:40 (two years ago)
petty much
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 13:49 (two years ago)
Welp I take back pitchfork doing the smart choice.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 13:54 (two years ago)
Huh. I assumed that if p4k reviewed it, it'd at least be more pointed about the transphobia, closer to Laura Snape's Guardian review. Still think that not reviewing it at all would've been a better move.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 13:57 (two years ago)
then again, ignoring RM's album means ignoring the effort of DJ Koze, who by all accounts seems like a real dude
― henry s, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 13:58 (two years ago)
The Pitchfork review read very New Yorker-ish to me. Here are some things that happened around the release of this album.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 14:00 (two years ago)
The twitter inability to accept that someone in 2023 may have a different opinion on a new album from a different person on a different album in 2005
Except that it's RM herself dishing it out
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 14:11 (two years ago)
(And yes, subeditors altering the scores and what not)
man the Twitter comments surrounding this are dire. enjoy your new fanbase Roisin
― frogbs, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 14:11 (two years ago)
yeah, it's depressing. congrats on the new "fans" who will absolutely forget you in three weeks when they've moved on to the next thing to be outraged over.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 14:15 (two years ago)
Also I’m not sure how scores on pitchfork are picked (writer + editor decide iirc?) but different writers guve different scores.
Score would have probably been higher without the current controversy I assume.
I still think controversy removed this is overrating it, and it most definitely isn’t her best album.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 14:23 (two years ago)
We have some input in the score, yeah.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 14:27 (two years ago)
Ain't no such thing as free speech (I didn't want to be the one to tell you)Maybe we're just all blowing in the wind(I didn't want to be the one to tell you)
― anml__, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 14:37 (two years ago)
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, September 13, 2023 10:15 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
come crawling back to trad folk from Donegal in no time
― Evan, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 15:28 (two years ago)
this really has been depressing and it has upset me more than most "random celebrity I only have a passing interest in says bigoted thing" piece of news
― Stomp Jomperson (dog latin), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 15:58 (two years ago)
it'll be more telling if that album ends up in their staff EotY list
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 16:09 (two years ago)
my theory is p4k fucked up by not giving roisin machine (which is obviously better) a higher score or bnm and so had to overcompensate by overrating this one (same thing they’ve done with the 1975 after panning “I like it when you sleep” or the-dream after ignoring love vs money and love/hate) and they had it as like a 9.5 BNM until the trans stuff came out then compromised
― flopson, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 18:58 (two years ago)
fuck you pitchfork
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 19:14 (two years ago)
where’s the retrospective credit thread
― LaMDA barry-stanners (||||||||), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 19:24 (two years ago)
lol @ the whole idea of lowering the score being the right move
"we were going to give this Lostprophets record a 6.2 but considering... events, we really have no choice but to give it a 5.3 instead"
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 19:30 (two years ago)
p4k fucked this one up _extremely badly_. prior to this, i didn't have any reason to think that they didn't support trans people. now i do.
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 19:35 (two years ago)
You probably could have guessed that when they said Ginger Spice looked like a t-word
― kirsten gilla band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 19:39 (two years ago)
― kirsten gilla band (Whiney G. Weingarten)
sure, if i'd been reading pitchfork enough to be aware of that. when was that? i mean everybody _used_ to be transphobic.
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 19:44 (two years ago)
christ she's playing the toilet circuit now:
I GOT A VENUE FOR TOMORROW NIGHT! Another stripped back and very intimate show. It’s my pleasure to do these shows. The ones in Leeds and Kingston were a revelation to me, revealing more about the songs and a different aspect to my performance🖤 https://t.co/LFEWq9AQdE pic.twitter.com/NkdxohCio4— Róisín Murphy (@roisinmurphy) September 13, 2023
― NickB, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 19:51 (two years ago)
transphobes playing toilets seems fitting
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 19:52 (two years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAnb8Rieqig
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 19:53 (two years ago)
it's this place btw
https://img.restaurantguru.com/rdd6-facade-The-Boileroom-Music-and-Cultural-Arts-Space.jpg
― NickB, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 19:54 (two years ago)
just round the corner from Andertons iirc
― NickB, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 19:55 (two years ago)
What? LOL
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 19:55 (two years ago)
IRL LOL
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 19:56 (two years ago)
honestly lol @ "I GOT A VENUE FOR TOMORROW NIGHT!"
― Murgatroid, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 19:56 (two years ago)
In a 2010 list on jokey 90s lists. The bottom of the list now reads: "CORRECTION: A previous version of this article contained language that was offensive. It has been removed."
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 19:57 (two years ago)
no shortage of pubs with bigoted landlords, she could be doing this for quite a while tbf
― NickB, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 20:00 (two years ago)
dumpy's roisin nuts
― NickB, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 20:01 (two years ago)
In a 2010 list on jokey 90s lists. The bottom of the list now reads: "CORRECTION: A previous version of this article contained language that was offensive. It has been removed."― you can see me from westbury white horse
― you can see me from westbury white horse
yeah in 2010 that kind of language was what i'd describe as "pervasive and all-encompassing". for about the first 40 years of my life my experience was that there was this kind of self-perpetuating hegemonic state of enforced ignorance regarding transness. that said i only speak for me, there are probably trans people out there who found that list offensive and have not, and never will, give p4k a pass on that one, and i support them completely in that. for me personally, though? not a blip.
i'm just tired of the Discourse. every day it's something else, and right now this niche artist who most people have never heard of stands a very real chance of blowing up because she said some bigoted shit and that made a lot of people unhappy. probably the new york times or somebody will do a sympathetic profile on her soon enough, it sounds like something they'd do, and if that happens, it'll matter more than this. in the meantime, though, i feel like not reviewing the new record by someone who said bigoted shit, a record the label has chosen not to promote because of the artist's open bigotry... i don't know. to me that seems like kind of a no-brainer. i guess p4k sees it differently, got someone - and is it a cis person? it wouldn't make it ok if it was a trans person, i mean, we're all different, i'm still gonna be pissed about it, but if on top of that they got some fucking cis person to review it... like i said. to me, that's a pretty major fuck-up.
i mean i try not to make a big deal out of it. i was kind of losing my shit over it earlier this year, but nowadays, i try not to make a big deal out of it. i'm aware of it, though, i'm aware that there's a very real chance that people like me could all wind up dead. and whether or not that happens isn't up to me. it's up to cis people. how much they support us. how much they stand behind us.
i don't feel like pitchfork did a really good job supporting trans people in this case.
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 20:11 (two years ago)
she's gonna blow up the same way Ariel Pink did after 1/6
― frogbs, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 20:18 (two years ago)
dumpy's roisin nuts― NickB, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 20:01 (twenty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― NickB, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 20:01 (twenty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
LOL
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 20:31 (two years ago)
tbf frogbs Murphy is UK-based and being a trabsphobe is considerably more of a popular position amongst the UK liberal press than right wing insurrection is amongst the US equivalent.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 20:44 (two years ago)
Still think that not reviewing it at all would've been a better move.
― jaymc, Wednesday, September 13, 2023 9:57 AM (five hours ago)
there's so few outlets left consistently reviewing albums that i'd rather publications err on the side of writing about music made by problematic artists than just pretending the music doesn't exist. honestly, being able to approach & critique music made by people who do/say bad things should be a tool in the bag of any modern music critic, because the problematic artists -- in all genres/spaces -- don't appear to be going away. i guess i look at it as like, actually the function of the music critic is in these exact moments, to synthesize discussion happening culturally around an album, provide further context to the reader, and ultimately put forth an informed and hopefully engaging argument regarding the music and its relationship to the bad person who made it. i think snapes did this most effectively but i personally don't want to see any lesser critical engagement, in general, w/ big records than we get now. i actually don't think the press has the ability to like boost artists careers anymore, so it's more about the critic's relationship to conversations happening on social media and other forums... i like the idea of conversation funneling up towards critics even in, or especially in, the case of a problematic artist.
w/ pitchfork it's a bit messier bcuz their scores function as a big institutional stamp of approval or disapproval in a way that isn't inherent to other publications, but anytime a big album comes out nowadays there's like maybe like 2 worthwhile things to read about it. i was really curious what people had to say about this record. idk i like reading criticism
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 13 September 2023 20:47 (two years ago)
idk if the conversation in this case is that interesting to synthesize but i don’t have much of a perspective on it beyond “it ruins her music” and “it’s depressing that terfs are falling over themselves to praise her bravery and music.” all i got. would be finer with this form of engagement if at least a rating weren’t applied every single time
― ivy., Wednesday, 13 September 2023 20:58 (two years ago)
i mean, i’m wrong, it’s interesting, yeah, artist with ravenous queer following completely betrays them on the eve of a big album with dj koze would probably be an interesting story to me if i weren’t like… directly affected by it lol
― ivy., Wednesday, 13 September 2023 21:05 (two years ago)
she's gonna blow up the same way Ariel Pink did after 1/6― frogbs
― frogbs
i mean transphobia is pretty mainstream, there's a lot of pretty open bigotry against trans people that's accepted. who was doing the "both sides" thing on the 1/6 thing? because there are plenty of people today, including papers like the new york times, who are doing "both sides" on trans rights.
i mean, i’m wrong, it’s interesting, yeah, artist with ravenous queer following completely betrays them on the eve of a big album with dj koze would probably be an interesting story to me if i weren’t like… directly affected by it lol― ivy.
― ivy.
right, otm, the issue here, and i feel like maybe j0rdan isn't getting this, is that trans people in the us are in serious danger, at serious risk, and these things that are being done against trans people, to hurt trans people, they're not only being seriously challenged but the bigotry is escalating and becoming more and more severe. trans people are under concerted, direct attack, and it is _entirely possible_ that this attack will succeed.
if that weren't the case, i mean, i'm with ivy, this would all be _extremely interesting_, you could probably make an award-winning documentary about it.
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 21:16 (two years ago)
they're not only being seriously challenged
not only _not_ being seriously challenged, sorry
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 21:17 (two years ago)
i’m sure j0rd gets that. i’m really sympathetic to his position bc i don’t want less criticism
but, i guess i’m making an obvious point here, there’s not just one kind of problematic artist. there are artists i write about still who absolutely documentedly sucked ass and i guess even though i hate it it doesn’t fundamentally alter my image of them and their relationship to their art. here an artist revealed that something i took for granted as layer of her music was actually false and thus the whole thing collapsed. five stars
― ivy., Wednesday, 13 September 2023 21:24 (two years ago)
“gone fishing,” that song means nothing now!!!!
― ivy., Wednesday, 13 September 2023 21:26 (two years ago)
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, September 13, 2023 3:44 PM (thirty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
sure but in general the new "fans" you get when you do shit like this are pretty fickle. they'll check out her stuff, probably think it's interesting or neat, and then forget about it in 2 weeks. Ariel Pink got a ton of streams the week he went on Tucker and then dropped off a cliff. JK Rowling's bullshit maybe brought a few people into the Harry Potter fandom but it caused way way more to leave. Dilbert got dropped from every newspaper and is now a subscription webcomic that probably pulls in about $50 a month. and Dilbert doesn't even say "fuck" in it. I guess what's I'm saying is lets see where she is the next time an album rolls around
― frogbs, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 21:29 (two years ago)
tbc I don't think she'll have a huge influx of new loyal fans - I just think the media treatment of her will be sympathetic enough for her to basically maintain her previous status, which I don't think you'dbe able to say about Ariel Pink
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 21:34 (two years ago)
Shocked that Ariel Pink is currently at 680K monthly listeners on Spotify. Was he ever substantially higher than that? Maybe I'm underestimating his previous popularity, but he never sold a ton of records at our stores, even at the height of his "popularity".
― mr.raffles, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 21:36 (two years ago)
in conclusion, róisín murphy is the cm punk of music
― ivy., Wednesday, 13 September 2023 21:39 (two years ago)
it would have been so easy not to choose to make the world a bit worse by covering this album but p4k's relationship with queer artistry / audiences is a lot like RM's when you get down to it
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 21:39 (two years ago)
wait, sorry if this is an inappropriate question to ask, what did cm punk do? i don't really follow him very closely but i always understood him to be one of the few wrestlers to be generally fighting the good fight.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 21:51 (two years ago)
the cm stands for "child molester"
― kirsten gilla band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 21:54 (two years ago)
re:ariel pink maybe it’s from his songs appearing on curated playlists and such rather than people actively choosing to listen to him
― brimstead, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 21:55 (two years ago)
lol sorry he is not someone who’s done anything morally wrong (unless threatening your boss’ life is morally wrong and i think we all know the answer there is “depends”) but his last run in aew confirmed to me he’s a huge phony who presents himself as a certain thing he is not
― ivy., Wednesday, 13 September 2023 21:56 (two years ago)
xp re: cm punk
his last run in aew confirmed to me he’s a huge phony who presents himself as a certain thing he is not
A professional wrestler? No!!!!!
― read-only (unperson), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 21:58 (two years ago)
thanks ivy, was curious. hadn't followed him much in recent years, just remembered that he seemed to piss off some wresting fans with his vocal trans rights support (which i'm gathering was about as legit as RM's)
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 21:59 (two years ago)
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, September 13, 2023 5:39 PM (two minutes ago)
isn't there a difference between criticism and coverage though? they aren't actually "covering" the album -- they've posted a single news story about roisin in the last month and it's after she released her statement regarding the controversy. they've declined to cover even any further fallout. so is the act of good faith critical engagement w/ a piece of art in of itself contributing to a worse version of the world? i think i disagree w/ that assertion in most cases. this case would be one of them, for me. "this personally/culturally meaningful artist has suddenly changed our perception of him/her because of offensive speech/actions and it's harming my ability to listen to/enjoy this music" is a real & relevant emotion and i don't agree that working thru that dynamic via criticism is contributing to a worse or more violent world
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 13 September 2023 22:00 (two years ago)
i knew someone would do that and my very earnest reply is that wrestling is as rooted in reality as any other art
― ivy., Wednesday, 13 September 2023 22:00 (two years ago)
xp
i also don't think the assertion that ariel pink's fanbase has grown since the capitol incident would hold up to scrutiny
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 13 September 2023 22:02 (two years ago)
whatever
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 22:03 (two years ago)
No one was saying that! He was being used as an example of a career that patently did not benefit from his heel turn.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 22:10 (two years ago)
"this personally/culturally meaningful artist has suddenly changed our perception of him/her because of offensive speech/actions and it's harming my ability to listen to/enjoy this music" is a real & relevant emotion and i don't agree that working thru that dynamic via criticism is contributing to a worse or more violent worldDunno about a worse or more violent world but I do think it's an experience that has been written about plenty, sometimes feels like the only thing music criticism has expressed in the past couple decades, and while ofc a transcendentally great writer might still wring something out of it it mostly feels like that well's pretty dry now, regardless of new examples popping up.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 22:15 (two years ago)
eh. seems like the snapes review struck a chord with people
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 13 September 2023 22:17 (two years ago)
i think i'm less convinced of good faith criticism w/ art that is intentionally harmful. like movies coming out of the dimes square indie film scene funded by peter thiel for the express purpose of destabilizing society... i'm not sure the world would be served by too much good faith engagement w/ that art. and i think there's instances where like... the art itself has no frisson to begin with. for instance, dababy had been spinning his wheels artistically long enough by the time he got cancelled for his anti-gay rants that i wasn't really dying to read any reviews of his subsequent albums. but in this case where you have an album that was being feted as a possible career peek by a beloved & inventive artist... i think there's as much discussion to be had there that would contribute to a better world as opposed to a worse one
so is the act of good faith critical engagement w/ a piece of art in of itself contributing to a worse version of the world? i think i disagree w/ that assertion in most cases. this case would be one of them, for me. "this personally/culturally meaningful artist has suddenly changed our perception of him/her because of offensive speech/actions and it's harming my ability to listen to/enjoy this music" is a real & relevant emotion and i don't agree that working thru that dynamic via criticism is contributing to a worse or more violent world
This is kinda what I was grappling with in my newsletter this week, talking about Charles Gayle, a free jazz saxophonist who died last week who would periodically interrupt his live shows to deliver ranty monologues rooted in his hard-line Christianity, which included being strongly anti-abortion and condemning homosexuality (though TBF he was one of those Christians who believed that pretty much all human behavior was sinful in some way). But his music was entirely instrumental, so unless you were subjected to one of his rants at a show (and he didn't do it every night — I saw him three times and he never said a word onstage) it was very possible IMO to separate his work from his beliefs. Now some people — on ILX and elsewhere — have said, in effect, "I can't support this person's art because I know he believes things I don't believe, even if they do not manifest in the art," which I think is a step too far. I mean, we're talking about someone who was voluntarily homeless for two decades because he was on some kind of ascetic spiritual/artistic quest, trying to remove his art from the commercial realm as much as possible. Does a dude like that fit into conventional political binaries? I don't think so.
― read-only (unperson), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 22:32 (two years ago)
like movies coming out of the dimes square indie film scene funded by peter thiel for the express purpose of destabilizing society
is this a thing?
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 22:36 (two years ago)
(i honestly don't know, quick googling leads me to things about RedScare and frankly, this is an aspect of culture I have politely decided to ignore)
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 22:39 (two years ago)
i think i'm less convinced of good faith criticism w/ art that is intentionally harmful. like movies coming out of the dimes square indie film scene funded by peter thiel for the express purpose of destabilizing society... i'm not sure the world would be served by too much good faith engagement w/ that art. and i think there's instances where like... the art itself has no frisson to begin with. for instance, dababy had been spinning his wheels artistically long enough by the time he got cancelled for his anti-gay rants that i wasn't really dying to read any reviews of his subsequent albums. but in this case where you have an album that was being feted as a possible career peek by a beloved & inventive artist... i think there's as much discussion to be had there that would contribute to a better world as opposed to a worse one― J0rdan S.
― J0rdan S.
see, if anything i'm the opposite... i look at things from a systemic level, and i personally view harm done _without_ malicious intent as being _more_ dangerous than work that's intentionally harmful. i mean, if we're gonna talk about ariel pink, to me, there's no similarity between pink and murphy. pink is an asshole who won't ever fucking shut up. he's not ever going to be a martyr people rally around as a victim of the heinous Gender Ideology. murphy? she said something once, she didn't apologize, she just stopped saying it. that, to me, that's someone who's a _really_ sympathetic figure. it's _really_ easy to portray someone like that as a victim of cancel culture gone mad. i don't think that's an honest framing, but it's a pretty persuasive one, all told.
the unasked question here, the implicit question here, is who's more important here? who should this "debate" be centered around? should it be centered around trans people who are, right now, being materially hurt by institutional transphobia in all sorts of places, or should it be roisin murphy and her art? centering murphy's art doesn't say anything explicit about trans people. in implicit terms, however, in _practical_ terms, it makes our experiences, our rights, less important than murphy's. i think that niko stratis article a couple of weeks ago makes a really good point - there's this whole conversation and trans voices just aren't present in it. that's why i asked if the album was reviewed by a cis person. it's a question of whether or not pitchfork is giving us a voice in the whole thing.
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 22:43 (two years ago)
Does a dude like that fit into conventional political binaries? I don't think so.― read-only (unperson)
does it matter whether charles gayle fits into conventional political binaries? i mean, is this really about charles gayle at all? forget separating the art from the artist - is the reporter separable from the story?
who reads your newsletter? what influence is it going to have? who's going to be hurt by your promoting charles gayle? are there people you care about who are going to trust you less, who are going to feel let down and betrayed by your promotion of him? and that gets balanced against, you know, how much do you love his music, how much has it inspired you, how much do you believe in it, how much do you want other people to experience it? to me, that's the calculus of such things.
i'm not interested in the murphy review for what it says about murphy, but for what it says about p4k.
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 23:06 (two years ago)
who reads your newsletter?
About 2500 people, about 50 of whom actually pay for it.
what influence is it going to have?
Very little, I think. I hope it'll help me sell my book this time next year, though...
who's going to be hurt by your promoting charles gayle? are there people you care about who are going to trust you less, who are going to feel let down and betrayed by your promotion of him?
I couldn't possibly say, but I hope they'd let me know. I do know of at least one trans person (because they commented) who is going to explore his catalog after reading my piece.
and that gets balanced against, you know, how much do you love his music, how much has it inspired you, how much do you believe in it, how much do you want other people to experience it? to me, that's the calculus of such things.
Exactly. Would I say "I can't be friends with you if you don't like Charles Gayle's music as much as I do"? Never. But I would say, and do, "I think this music is great. Maybe you'll like it. But, you know, he was kind of a religious nutcase, and that may put you off."
I agree with you on this. But here's the question I have: If they had assigned the review to a trans writer, what form would you have wanted — or expected — that review to take? Having just skimmed the review they did run, it feels like it was written before her statements became public and the third and fourth paragraphs were shoved in after the fact. What if a trans writer had done the exact same thing? Would that have been worse, in some way?
― read-only (unperson), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 23:17 (two years ago)
"I can't support this person's art because I know he believes things I don't believe, even if they do not manifest in the art," which I think is a step too far.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 23:55 (two years ago)
I tend to think the right thing for P4K to do would have been to issue a review, but with no score. That would have been a better move for The Guardian too, but especially for Pitchfork given their scores (annoyingly) play a public role far exceeding the reviews themselves in terms of impact - and precisely because of that role, it would have been more meaningful than, say, just docking a few points.
― Tim F, Thursday, 14 September 2023 02:15 (two years ago)
I would also go with publishing the review without a score, so everyone could focus on how poorly written it is
― Murgatroid, Thursday, 14 September 2023 02:52 (two years ago)
haha
― Tim F, Thursday, 14 September 2023 03:19 (two years ago)
I can't really say what Pitchfork "should" do. Who cares. I'm pretty sure trans people will be here in 10 years, I can't guarantee the same for nu-disco, Pitchfork, music criticism, entertainment journalism as a whole, Ninja Tune, or the hipster reboot of the chick from Moloko
― kirsten gilla band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 September 2023 03:24 (two years ago)
Jesus, Whiney
Trans people in a critical state these days esp in UK but sure I’m sure some of them will be “left”, alive albeit distressed, in 10 years, if things continue, maybe focus on thems instead of some poor corporations
I am myself annoyed at this debate especially because I’m listening to the album rn bc “is it even worth talking about?” Laura Snapes got the facts about trans people right yes but does she have cloth in her ears? This is an embarassment, DJ Koze you have done so much better
When Ariel flopped I thought “who cares? he’s always sucked” and it was “oh what a cool high horse bandwagon” and I was like ”no, his music has always fucking sucked, Round And Round fucking sucked, I’ve shit better songs than Ariel Christing Rosenberg when I’m not even thinking about it, he is and has always been lousy, I don’t care I don’t care, what’s next, a big expose on how Micah P Hinson is a Trump supporter? I listened to that yokel’s crapshit and it is crapshit, and Ariel is crapshit, and Roisin is crapshit”.
― my best wishes to all (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 14 September 2023 05:05 (two years ago)
I hope it’s ok that I call Roisin English because I’m sure the Irish don’t fucking want her or Linehan any more; anyway, this woman sings and it sounds like the human manifestation of a suburb of Leeds
― my best wishes to all (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 14 September 2023 05:08 (two years ago)
I got a good friend named Oisín and I’m careful to pronounce his fauny name properly. Meanwhile, Roisin rhymes with Raisin, when Murphy
― my best wishes to all (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 14 September 2023 05:10 (two years ago)
xxxp who cares? they have publication power and views.
the "poor koze did good work so a review is deserved" is bullshit.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 14 September 2023 05:13 (two years ago)
Yeah, fgti, I’m saying all the internecine details of music writing is just incredibly low stakes across the board these days.The fight for trans rights is obv of the utmost importance. I don’t think there’s any “right” answer in that fight that concerns determining the correct numerical score to put on a dance record
― kirsten gilla band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 September 2023 05:24 (two years ago)
I mean, I’m listening to it right now, and it’s the worst record I’ve heard this year, and I’ve heard a lot of shit albums this year
“Free Will” actually made me stop and worry that my headphones were busted, Raisin’s voice had me so hivey, but no, headphones are fine, I checked
This album sounds like a bunch of food that was made with bad implements, eggs whipped with a hand mixer, steaks boiled, it’s all following established recipes but so faulty. I’m on “Can’t Replicate” and holy god this is so, so bad and embarrassing
I haven’t listened to Raisin’s music since she was working hard with Herbert but I don’t remember her voice sounding so ugly and awful. If we were friends, I’d offer her microphone suggestions, but it doesn’t seem like we are friends.
― my best wishes to all (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 14 September 2023 05:32 (two years ago)
This album is not good to my ears. I liked a couple songs in the last one
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Thursday, 14 September 2023 05:32 (two years ago)
I think I understand better the LGBTQ community’s feeling of betrayal more, now: “you’ve always sucked but we considered you an ally and thought it was so cute and cool”
― my best wishes to all (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 14 September 2023 05:35 (two years ago)
Transphobia aside I’m more appalled that people are rating this shit anywhere above “belongs in a grave, buried”. Happily these songs are so poorly rendered I don’t think I’ll ever hear them in any context in which they’d be wilfully programmed by anybody
― my best wishes to all (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 14 September 2023 05:38 (two years ago)
I’m saying “who cares” about imagineering some kind of “correct” response from Pitchfork. I don’t think that writing about a record is akin to co-signing the behavior a TERF. I also don’t think that there’s some pressing reason to write about this record at all if they went that route. If they just didn’t review it, that’s fine too. I do not think that giving it a 0.0 or a 6.0 or an 8.2 or a 10.0 is good or bad. If they wanted to pull all the Roisin Murphy stuff from the site, go nuts. None of this shit matters anymore. Music writing is basically over.What matters is the actual work people are doing to call out Roisin on social media online and in places like here. And people have been doing a swell job on that front
― kirsten gilla band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 September 2023 05:39 (two years ago)
xposts to fgti
Calling her Raisin is a very good start imo
― kirsten gilla band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 September 2023 05:40 (two years ago)
Raisin Terfy
― kirsten gilla band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 September 2023 05:41 (two years ago)
for me, it's just the basic question of why add fuel to the fire?
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 14 September 2023 05:47 (two years ago)
I mean, I was spelling it Raisin to assert an assertion. It is spelled Roisín. It is pronounced Raisin Merpy.
The last song, “Eureka”, is slight, but great. Good work, DJ Koze and shithead. Glad you made it through your operation to live again and be transphobic another day. My response track: “I Wish You’d Died”
― my best wishes to all (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 14 September 2023 05:47 (two years ago)
― kirsten gilla band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 September 2023 05:50 (two years ago)
I will close by saying shut the fuck up to Roisin Murphy and the “A” on your album cover looks like an Among Us guy
― kirsten gilla band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 September 2023 05:53 (two years ago)
I’m just surprised that any writer would elect to be hired to write anything about this mess except “this is awful and it sucks”, the transphobia is a mere asterisk to the ineptitude of its execution. Not that it’s an asterisk, just that the album is total garbage from any standpoint. I can’t believe I stopped doing chores and enjoying a domestic life to audit this, I feel like I’ve gargled grey shit, like some dogshit that’s been left out in the sun for a week. We all own computers now, we can literally phone in better music than this aural bleach. What is it about her? Her Aryan hair? Her pinhole eyes? I literally retract every gentle criticism I’ve had about a Kylie or a Kelis or a Madonna over the years, the world does not need this music, a fucking lamp or a fucking stool masquerading as a human musician. Go to hell, Roisïn Murphy, and take this garbage with you
― my best wishes to all (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 14 September 2023 06:06 (two years ago)
rereading those 3 and 4 paragraphs on the p4k review and it comes across so clearly as "acknowledge the current situation and get back to our initial review assessment."
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 14 September 2023 06:07 (two years ago)
I take it all back, P4k should replace the review with fgti’s
― kirsten gilla band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 September 2023 06:10 (two years ago)
omg go off
― imago, Thursday, 14 September 2023 06:24 (two years ago)
and to think we were recently doubting the value of negative criticism lol
― imago, Thursday, 14 September 2023 06:25 (two years ago)
I hope it’s ok that I call Roisin English because I’m sure the Irish don’t fucking want her or Linehan any more
You didn't though, did you?
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 September 2023 06:28 (two years ago)
I don’t remember her voice sounding so ugly and awful
koze messed around with her voice a lot on this album. it doesn't really work, one of the big weaknesses of it. idk what he was thinking/going for at all there (or with some of these tracks more generally)
i do like about half the album (though really not enough to come back to even without the transphobia) but the tracks that don't work really don't work.
― ufo, Thursday, 14 September 2023 06:31 (two years ago)
Gauging by her vocal performance, she’s not even English, not even human. She’s like.. a malfunctioning appliance? Or more an obsolete purchase or something? She’s a book from the 80s trying to convince you that it’s reasonable to cook eggs in a microwave.
― my best wishes to all (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 14 September 2023 06:33 (two years ago)
If a microwaved egg is Irish, then Roisin is Irish. Otherwise, she’s just a fucking microwaved egg
― my best wishes to all (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 14 September 2023 06:34 (two years ago)
She’s like.. a malfunctioning appliance? Or more an obsolete purchase or something? She’s a book from the 80s trying to convince you that it’s reasonable to cook eggs in a microwave
first thing i've read that actually makes me want to listen to it tbh
― NickB, Thursday, 14 September 2023 06:37 (two years ago)
"two ways" certainly does sound like a malfunctioning appliance
― ufo, Thursday, 14 September 2023 06:38 (two years ago)
gonna wait for the center for understanding new trigonometries remix
― imago, Thursday, 14 September 2023 06:40 (two years ago)
anyway everyone should be talking about the tinashe mini-album instead of this
― ufo, Thursday, 14 September 2023 07:29 (two years ago)
While this particular Róisín is letting the side down, it's high on the list of "Irish names that get thoughtlessly misspelled and mispronounced in the UK / US" - being a racist dick about her name is not in fact the good fight.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 14 September 2023 07:40 (two years ago)
was about to say the same thing. no need.
― houdini said, Thursday, 14 September 2023 07:44 (two years ago)
I’m just surprised that any writer would elect to be hired to write anything about this mess except “this is awful and it sucks”, the transphobia is a mere asterisk to the ineptitude of its execution.
I mean maybe those people genuinely like music you don't like? I think Murphy is a toxic fool and would be glad to see this record disappear but are you genuinely surprised that there are writers who like a record you think is awful and sucks? how old are you?
― Lumpy pillows, kiss my ass. Put that in your book (stevie), Thursday, 14 September 2023 07:48 (two years ago)
I still read and teach poets who were anti-semites. I believe that Polanski’s The Tenant is one of the more unsettling and worthwhile films made in the latter part of the 20th century. I am aware of the dissonance here, but really, I have written elsewhere why I don’t fuck with homophobes or transphobes because this shit is personal. It isn’t to you, which you should probably be thankful for and just move on.
I think these debates always end up focusing so much on "fandom" and "ok to like" to the exclusion of the main reason I think of when I decide to no longer support an artist - money. A recently deceased outsider Jazz artist and dead anti-semitic poets are a bad fit for Murphy, who is an artist with a new album to promote. I'd never buy a ticket for a new Polanski film, but am happy to watch The Tenant or Rosemary's Baby because he's unlikely to benefit from that in any way (specially if I pirate it). I don't want Murphy to benefit financially from her bigotry right now, if 80 years some ppl dig up this record and decide it rules that's fine.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 14 September 2023 09:21 (two years ago)
The whole 'fortunately I never liked her anyway / what a relief the record is bad' thing is really tiresome.
― nashwan, Thursday, 14 September 2023 09:31 (two years ago)
That's why I thought Laura Snapes' review was so good - it explored the art without waving away Murphy's actions, and vice versa, which seems an honest way of approaching it.
― Lumpy pillows, kiss my ass. Put that in your book (stevie), Thursday, 14 September 2023 09:37 (two years ago)
Still seemingly loads of tickets left for her gig tonight in a 275 person capacity pub in Guildford (they just opened up a tickets only option where originally you had to buy a copy of the album to get in). Bit ignominious, maybe she needs to take Babybird up on that offer after all
― NickB, Thursday, 14 September 2023 09:44 (two years ago)
Just to update the .xls, these are the superstars of popular music that have stepped up to the plate for her so far afaicr:
BabybirdRebecca FergussonCarol Decker from T'Pau
― NickB, Thursday, 14 September 2023 09:49 (two years ago)
Dave Haslam, professional Hacienda nostalgist, can also be added
― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Thursday, 14 September 2023 09:54 (two years ago)
Not Decker!!!
― droid, Thursday, 14 September 2023 09:58 (two years ago)
her twitter is an absolute horrorshow, think we can all guess what the T stands for now
― NickB, Thursday, 14 September 2023 10:05 (two years ago)
i really quite liked her and so am weirdly relieved that the album is a disappointment
― ufo, Thursday, 14 September 2023 10:38 (two years ago)
Surprised Right Said Fred haven't piped up xps
― groovypanda, Thursday, 14 September 2023 11:00 (two years ago)
Noooo not Decker
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 14 September 2023 11:07 (two years ago)
It's not even that I'm a fan it's just that my dad apparently used to go out with her pre-fame and it's hitherto been a fun thing to bring up.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 14 September 2023 11:08 (two years ago)
Noticed that Billy Bragg was trending the other day as he was berating Murphy for her stance.
― Dan Worsley, Thursday, 14 September 2023 11:09 (two years ago)
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 14 September 2023 11:14 (two years ago)
as for an actually substantive post to respond to, yeah, Daniel Rf, the money thing is the big element, but I still mention the noxious views of certain writers when I teach them.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 14 September 2023 11:17 (two years ago)
wow someone's touchy (like, even more than me)
― nashwan, Thursday, 14 September 2023 11:30 (two years ago)
She’s a book from the 80s trying to convince you that it’s reasonable to cook eggs in a microwave.
lol
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 September 2023 11:52 (two years ago)
that thing where you can't find anyone that wants to come to the pub with you
Join me TONIGHT for an up close and personal, stripped back set @recordcorneruk in Guildford. EVERY ALBUM SOLD AT THE EVENT WILL BE SIGNED. Limited tickets are available 🖤 https://t.co/LFEWq9AQdE pic.twitter.com/4eaZj0cNF5— Róisín Murphy (@roisinmurphy) September 14, 2023
― NickB, Thursday, 14 September 2023 12:40 (two years ago)
Terfs HATE Billy Bragg because he speaks up for trans people.
Anyway RM actually used ‘TRA’ in her initial post, which is not a TLA used by anyone outside gender critical circles. That’s how trans people and their allies knew she’d been wormholed.
― steely flan (suzy), Thursday, 14 September 2023 12:41 (two years ago)
Terfs hate Owen Jones too. I think that's part of how 'centrist dads' get wormholed.
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Thursday, 14 September 2023 12:43 (two years ago)
just assume that under every soi-disant centrist there's a raving fash straining to be unleashed and you'll almost always be right
― School of RAAC (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 14 September 2023 12:45 (two years ago)
Tom D has already cited the relevant Spinal Tap bit to cover Murphy's new gig strategy
― School of RAAC (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 14 September 2023 12:46 (two years ago)
loads of terfs have changed their display names on twitter to Billy Bragg for some reason, when I see one I report them for impersonation, just on the off-chance that I can make their day slightly worse.
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 14 September 2023 12:52 (two years ago)
iirc it's some asinine point about how they're 'identifying' as him
― ufo, Thursday, 14 September 2023 13:07 (two years ago)
great fans, beautiful fans
― Murgatroid, Thursday, 14 September 2023 13:11 (two years ago)
What are some other good DJ Koze albums?
― piscesx, Thursday, 14 September 2023 14:07 (two years ago)
He does great work most of the time, but he may have been trending yesterday because a TERF was complaining about being harassed somewhere and he posted "here's a picture of you from a different angle, you don't seem harassed, you're smiling" and that ... didn't go well.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 14 September 2023 14:09 (two years ago)
(Billy Bragg that is, not Koze)
xp I like Kosi Comes Around a bunch. And how can it be that it came out, gulp, 18 years ago?!
― henry s, Thursday, 14 September 2023 14:19 (two years ago)
It’s not “it’s awful and it sucks”, it’s “it’s unbelievably inept and it’s so poorly made and performed that it’s a joke without a punchline”. Yes, I am surprised that writers misjudged a record that is bad from any angle, in any context; it’s not a question of taste, this album is dogshit with bleach sauce.
What is even more tiresome? reading endless ink about a problematic artist and then investigating to find out their music is entirely ignorable badly made garbage, see also Ariel Pink
Excluding an allegedly Irish woman from Irishness was a deliberate acknowledgement of the fact that the rise of TERFdom seems to be primarily a UK phenomenon, and is being heavily resisted in Ireland, because Irish people aren’t assholes. My regrets abt last nights “raisin” posts are not because I have any anti-Irish sentiment in me but because there’s an overtone of ageism that is unnecessary, and for that I apologize
― my best wishes to all (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 14 September 2023 14:49 (two years ago)
any take which implies the person writing it is the ultimate arbiter of what's good and what's bad is arrogant and annoying
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 14 September 2023 14:54 (two years ago)
I dont know who DJ Koze is but has he made a statement one way or the other in the wake of this?
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 14 September 2023 14:55 (two years ago)
This absurd vitriol about the album is making me want to hear it more and that's a bad thing.
― nashwan, Thursday, 14 September 2023 14:55 (two years ago)
― Daniel_Rf
I agree with this. Supporting her at the moment is giving her a voice and a platform for a bunch of twitter transphobes to hop on.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table)
This is the correct way to approach decades old content imho. I think history and art shouldn’t be erased or censored. Guiding students on how certain views or immoral people/content were normalized and laureated even when they had hurtful things in them is an important part of forming criteria.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 14 September 2023 14:58 (two years ago)
Excluding an allegedly Irish woman from Irishness was a deliberate acknowledgement of the fact that the rise of TERFdom seems to be primarily a UK phenomenon, and is being heavily resisted in Ireland, because Irish people aren’t assholes.
There's as many assholes in Ireland as anywhere. I have no idea where you're getting the idea that Ireland is gallantly resisting the rise of TERFdom either.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:00 (two years ago)
Everywhere shines compared to the UK at the moment
― School of RAAC (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:01 (two years ago)
Probably but let's leave the green tinted spectacles to one side for a moment.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:04 (two years ago)
Having been to Boston, I can confirm that the Irish are the most tolerant people on Earth
― kirsten gilla band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:05 (two years ago)
Russia just passed a bill banning all gender-affirming healthcare, so probably up there with the UK
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:05 (two years ago)
― ydkb (gyac), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:07 (two years ago)
Russian Murphy
― nashwan, Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:07 (two years ago)
― ydkb (gyac), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:09 (two years ago)
Yes, I am surprised that writers misjudged a record that is bad from any angle, in any context; it’s not a question of taste, this album is dogshit with bleach sauce.
I mean I guess ultimately I don't believe that any piece of art can objectively be good or bad, or that there are any objective facts over the quality of art, that an opinion is by definition subjective and that anyone who suggests otherwise is either a fool or a charlatan, but I have no wish whatsoever to hear this record so I'll peace out of this argument tbh
― Lumpy pillows, kiss my ass. Put that in your book (stevie), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:09 (two years ago)
Well, to you gyac, and other Irish posters and readers, I offer my apologies! I hoped my own part-Irish genetics and general enthusiasm for the country and it’s culture would give me a pass, but it was a stupid assumption on my end and I am sorry.
― my best wishes to all (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:13 (two years ago)
Thank you.
― ydkb (gyac), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:13 (two years ago)
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm)
Dj Koze is a fantastic oddball producer, his solo and remix work is definitely worth a listen. He’s not very active on social media iirc, I think he has an ig account but he mostly posts new releases. He doesn’t do much interviews either… I’m not aware of his current stance about this but wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t say anything. He worked on-off this album for years and he should be proud about his work. I’d be angry and frustrated at the whole situation since it was so easily avoidable and fixable.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:16 (two years ago)
As someone of Irish descent I hereby give fgti permission to mock the Irish
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:18 (two years ago)
Roisin has some classic songs, this album is a creative flop, it kind of sucks to feel like people can only be honest about this stuff when the person is Problematic in some fatally flawed way
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:19 (two years ago)
Here’s an interview for the Guardian. It confirms he doesn’t like social media much and it’s his first interview in five years. It was done before this shitshow:
https://amp.theguardian.com/music/2023/aug/02/demons-dj-koze-summer-anthem-genius-bangermeister
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:20 (two years ago)
― ydkb (gyac), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:22 (two years ago)
I’ve returned your permission slip to you D-40, unredeemed, with appreciation.
Generally in life and on this board I reserve my enthusiasm for “things that are great” and I’m myself jarred at reading my own responses regarding “something that is bad”, I’m gonna put the hater gloves back in the shed
― my best wishes to all (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:23 (two years ago)
If that's in reference to my post may I clarify you are welcome and indeed encouraged to hate on a piece of music as hard as you like, it's healthy, but I do believe that the opposing opinion can be just as valid for those who hold it.
― Lumpy pillows, kiss my ass. Put that in your book (stevie), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:29 (two years ago)
honestly I think questions of "is this good" or not are irrelevant right now. I've enjoyed her work in the past and I can't listen to it now because she's chosen evil
― School of RAAC (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:30 (two years ago)
You Liked Her But She's Chosen Darkness
― henry s, Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:34 (two years ago)
How far does the “TERFdom is a primarily UK phenomenon” argument go? Is Wales as TERFY as England? Milton Keynes more or less TERFY than Dundee? Would be great to get more insight about the country I live in from people who may well have never set foot here.
― houdini said, Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:38 (two years ago)
I don’t really think “is it good or not” is irrelevant. All of a sudden you *can* separate art from artist as long as it’s done wokely?
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:45 (two years ago)
Not really clear on the 'it' there
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:47 (two years ago)
It seems to me a lot of ppl find her perspective sheds a new light on the music for them so it seems like if it’s good or not is a pertinent, contingent question
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:47 (two years ago)
who gives a shit what a boring irrelevant debate
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:47 (two years ago)
sorry to be grouchy just the anti-irish / patronising Irish stuff is a bit unbelievable to see here
― houdini said, Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:47 (two years ago)
I can assure you it isn’t
― ydkb (gyac), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:51 (two years ago)
fair point
― houdini said, Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:57 (two years ago)
She’s a book from the 80sreel from dave chang trying to convince you that it’s reasonable to cook eggs in a microwave.
― The Xenaverse Connection (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 14 September 2023 16:03 (two years ago)
as for geographic disparities in UK terfdom levels that would be a question worth investigating if it was meant in earnest and wasn't just kneejerk bristling over americans noticing embarrassing things
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 14 September 2023 16:05 (two years ago)
the only TERF I personally know lives in Wales but is actually American
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 14 September 2023 16:09 (two years ago)
You mean like there being no assholes in Ireland so Roisin Murphy should be considered British?
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 September 2023 16:22 (two years ago)
yeah a lot of people are saying both of those things
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 14 September 2023 16:31 (two years ago)
That's what people were bristling over afaict, but feel free to imagine otherwise.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 September 2023 16:56 (two years ago)
think she actually spends more time living in Ibiza than anywhere else
― NickB, Thursday, 14 September 2023 16:57 (two years ago)
sorry I should have said irish people noticing embarrassing things
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 14 September 2023 16:57 (two years ago)
I can think of a few high profile media figures in Portugal who've gone terf recently in the wake of JK Rowling's bullshit. In the end media hack solidarity is stronger than any kind of national identity really.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 14 September 2023 16:59 (two years ago)
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, September 14, 2023 10:47 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
What’s irrelevant exactly? People have shared their perspective on how this entire thing affects their experience of the music the whole thread — not sure what’s irrelevant about that.
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Thursday, 14 September 2023 17:05 (two years ago)
― ydkb (gyac), Thursday, September 14, 2023 10:51 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
Yes save the patronizing for “the diaspora”
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Thursday, 14 September 2023 17:07 (two years ago)
think she actually spends more time living in Ibiza than anywhere elseThe Sherburne piece says she moved to Brigante’s villa in Ibiza about three and a half years ago, to escape lockdown. Whether this has any bearing on her now exhibiting facebook brainworms is an exercise for the armchair speculator.
― vashti funyuns (sic), Thursday, 14 September 2023 17:15 (two years ago)
the art/artist debate is tired and has been used to prop up the worst people in entertainment for decades so I have no patience for it xp
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 14 September 2023 17:19 (two years ago)
*xps
Big Bren, giddy like a schoolboy.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/14/roisin-murphy-olivia-rodrigo-no1-album-after-trans-row/
Fans have rushed to buy the record, urged on by comedy writer and gender-critical campaigner Graham Linehan and Brendan O’Neill, the author and free-speech advocate, who have enjoined their online followers to support Murphy.O’Neill told The Telegraph: “It looks like cancel culture has finally met its match.“The digital inquisition thought it could drag Murphy down but they’ve had a rude awakening.“Loads of people are buying her album, firstly because it’s brilliant, and secondly because they want to show solidarity with a woman who was so ruthlessly and unfairly demonised by woke loons."
O’Neill told The Telegraph: “It looks like cancel culture has finally met its match.
“The digital inquisition thought it could drag Murphy down but they’ve had a rude awakening.
“Loads of people are buying her album, firstly because it’s brilliant, and secondly because they want to show solidarity with a woman who was so ruthlessly and unfairly demonised by woke loons."
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:05 (two years ago)
do we have to post all this shit we already know how it goes
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:11 (two years ago)
Is it interfering with the clear-eyed assessment of the album that you bookmarked this thread for?
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 15 September 2023 10:16 (two years ago)
Interestingly the one post that she's liked pertaining to this whole saga is this one...
You've just given an apology to Glinner. It undermines your claims to be against people exploiting LGBT people for their own ends.You also have most of the press to back you up, so hardly some voice in the wilderness. All you're doing is making the world worse for LGBT people.— Bjerkley (@Bjerkeley) September 5, 2023
― NickB, Friday, 15 September 2023 10:17 (two years ago)
According to the BBC yesterday, Rodrigo has sold more than the rest of the top ten combined
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:19 (two years ago)
hey Andrew stfu
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:26 (two years ago)
well what do you suggest we use the Roisin Murphy thread for
I agree that it's all very depressing and predictable but venting about that is p much all there is at the moment imo
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 15 September 2023 10:28 (two years ago)
idk kill it
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:29 (two years ago)
or just post whatever and let me be pissy about it
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:31 (two years ago)
Apologies, I forgot you're in charge of the thread.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:36 (two years ago)
That sounds about right.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:38 (two years ago)
maybe worth considering why some people might be more invested than others xp
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:40 (two years ago)
You more than anyone else, of course.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:42 (two years ago)
I was never more than a casual fan so rejecting the music was easy for me but now I have to hear about her terf baby steps every fucking day for some reason whereas before this I could go months without thinking of her (even though I liked who I imagined her to be)
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:48 (two years ago)
and fuck you too tom
OK, you win, I won't post in the thread again. Happy?
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:50 (two years ago)
of course not
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:51 (two years ago)
It's quite easy, Left. You just don't need to click on this thread if you don't want to read about it.
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:52 (two years ago)
fuck you too
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:52 (two years ago)
I often get exhausted and depressed by ppl eagerly documenting every step of some person's assholeishness, have one friend in particular who does this a lot and it's a very pernicious variation on doomscrolling imo
that being said if I click on a thread about said asshole that's on me
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 15 September 2023 10:53 (two years ago)
no need to be depressed, it's fuck you Friday
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 15 September 2023 10:59 (two years ago)
if that person's movements have effects I need to protect myself from then it is in my interest to click even when I don't want to and you overestimate the extent of free will in this world
that said if it's just standard UK media autopilot bullshit with no new content I don't know why we need to see it xp
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 15 September 2023 11:01 (two years ago)
have sympathy for Left here given their rights are what's at stake in the UK rn, although I'm not sure how much RM has done to materially affect them other than stir the blood of the transphobes for a few fleeting weeks. these vampires fasten onto any perceived validation, but it feels like she'd rather this all went away rather than joining their coven. temporary damage done. potential for amends in the longer run? for now, fuck her ofc, but fuck this government and journalist class harder
― imago, Friday, 15 September 2023 11:05 (two years ago)
every one of these things has material effects, every celebrity transphobe comment and every UK press article is accompanied by real world violence that gets no coverage
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 15 September 2023 11:07 (two years ago)
not even getting into the psychological and physiological effects all this stuff which seems pretty material to me
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 15 September 2023 11:09 (two years ago)
*of all this stuff
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 15 September 2023 11:10 (two years ago)
oh doubtless the climate of hatred which is maintained at all turns by these ghouls is an ongoing crime against humanity. if you say that RM's words have led to an uptick in transphobic violence you and those you know have experienced then fair enough
― imago, Friday, 15 September 2023 11:11 (two years ago)
OK do I need to have proof that this is linked to that because that's what terfs say all the time - it's a movement based on simultaneously inciting and disavowing (mostly) male violence so nothing sticks to them by design
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 15 September 2023 11:25 (two years ago)
I said 'fair enough'! it isn't for me to contradict your lived experience, and the ongoing foregrounding of a transphobic discourse is a major reason for the emboldened violence
― imago, Friday, 15 September 2023 11:30 (two years ago)
anyway she's now posting on her Instagram (which I have yet to click unfollow on, more fool me) "Hit Parade is a critical success because it's brilliant" which if ever there was a sign someone needs an intervention
― boxedjoy, Friday, 15 September 2023 12:09 (two years ago)
I have to hear
Learning this is not true is one of the great experiences of getting older.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 15 September 2023 12:56 (two years ago)
how nice for you
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 15 September 2023 12:58 (two years ago)
idk, maybe it would help to make your very valid point land a little better if every response wasn't a "fuck you" or snide sarcasm
(i know, i know.. fuck me too, i'll save you some typing on my way out of this thread)
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 15 September 2023 14:45 (two years ago)
if this is just going to be a tabloid gawk fest repeating hate speech, I totally see left’s point. “If that person's movements have effects I need to protect myself from then it is in my interest to click even when I don't want to and you overestimate the extent of free will in this world”^^^^^^^
― brimstead, Friday, 15 September 2023 15:27 (two years ago)
I'm really at a loss here. Articles like the Torgraph one posted DO have effects, they contribute to the climate of hatred and violence just as Left themselves said here. But if that's not what's meant by effects that trans people need to protect themselves from, what is, within the context of a thread about a musician?
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 15 September 2023 15:57 (two years ago)
idk I'm not sure who's helped by hearing brendan o'neill say exactly what you expect him to say it's not even really about her is it it's like plug in the name here
post whatever you want though and if it upsets me I'll ignore it or take issue with it depending on my mood / your luck
― die cis scum (Left), Friday, 15 September 2023 16:08 (two years ago)
there is a significant portion of the internet devoted to "look at this bigot being a bigot," it's one of the reasons i left twitter
― ivy., Friday, 15 September 2023 16:21 (two years ago)
even if it's in the spirit of ridicule, i was better off not knowing about it
I don't think anyone's helped by that either, aside perhaps from the positive feedback loop of telling each other that yes these people are scum and there's others who feel the same way about that. But as said before I am very sympathetic to not wanting to have to hear about that shit, and regularly avoid various threads about bigots for that reason.
I also take your point that you might need to hear about these people for reasons of personal safety, but if the Torygraph piece doesn't qualify as something that you need to know about by that rationale...I just don't know what Roisin Murphy-related activity would be. But whatever, not my place to do a taxonomy of that.
xposts
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 15 September 2023 16:23 (two years ago)
What a cast iron wanker
https://x.com/petepaphides/status/1702746847645680127?s=46&t=bJOqpCuQneT7ju08y55VSA
― piscesx, Friday, 15 September 2023 19:51 (two years ago)
Can BBC Verify or the @bbcpress verify or deny that singer Roisin Murphy has been cancelled by the BBC after criticising puberty blockers?Five hours of Ms Murphy's songs, interviews and highlights of her concerts were put together for a programme called the 6 Music Artist…— Andrew Neil (@afneil) September 13, 2023
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Thursday, 21 September 2023 12:18 (two years ago)
https://i.ibb.co/ZGmSCQp/IMG-3815.jpg
― come on barbo let’s go parpo (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 21 September 2023 12:39 (two years ago)
Thought he'd be too busy defending Brand for this
― nashwan, Thursday, 21 September 2023 12:48 (two years ago)
That was from last week, so it was a day or two before the Brand story took off iirc
― NickB, Thursday, 21 September 2023 13:03 (two years ago)
Long time fan of Roisin Murphy, of course.....
― I Left My Harp In Sam Frank's Disco (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 September 2023 13:14 (two years ago)
cool to see the guy who steered a national newspaper into printing a series of stories about how hiv didn't cause aids has learned absolutely fucking nothing about shutting up on matters best left to medical professionals
― come on barbo let’s go parpo (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 21 September 2023 13:17 (two years ago)
Equally cool to see the guy who paid a Holocaust denier six figures to translate Goebbels’ diaries weighing in, the schmuck.
― steely flan (suzy), Thursday, 21 September 2023 21:12 (two years ago)
https://i.ibb.co/hHmDXtN/Screenshot-2023-09-23-071625.png
probably not unusual for niche artists but the album debuted last week at #5 in the uk charts, this week it's dropped to #73
― NickB, Saturday, 23 September 2023 06:24 (two years ago)
https://i.imgur.com/rsp1gmt.jpg
― PaulTMA, Saturday, 23 September 2023 11:43 (two years ago)
https://i.imgur.com/rsp1gmt.jpg ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― PaulTMA, Saturday, 23 September 2023 11:44 (two years ago)
Case closed.
― I Left My Harp In Sam Frank's Disco (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 September 2023 11:46 (two years ago)
I was slightly bothered about if it was ok to see her last night supporting Grace Jones but she didn't turn up anyway so turned out alright in the end. Grace Jones was fucking fantastic btw
― Colonel Poo, Saturday, 27 July 2024 23:11 (one year ago)
I’m glad you didn’t have to sit through her set but who flakes out on Grace Jones
― Murgatroid, Sunday, 28 July 2024 02:20 (one year ago)
Perhaps someone scared of GJ's audience
― PaulTMA, Sunday, 28 July 2024 20:19 (one year ago)
I've always wondered, is her being a TERF now well-known amongst casual fans of hers? her show here barely sold when I checked but that might just be the venue/city/etc
always aware that I'm in an online bubble with this stuff, y'know
― Murgatroid, Sunday, 28 July 2024 20:24 (one year ago)
https://i.imgur.com/yAP8MkJ.jpeg
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Thursday, 11 September 2025 09:19 (five months ago)
Ffs what's she done now
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 11 September 2025 10:05 (five months ago)
Just the same shit
― Proust Ian Rush (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 11 September 2025 10:11 (five months ago)
a cover of born under punches by her and kenny dope popped up on my new releases playlist and i was guiltily enjoying it until a section in which she veered away from the original lyrics to address her haters, noting she is not a boomer but a gen-xer and that she wouldn't be silenced. painfully stupid. she's such a disappointment
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 11 September 2025 15:44 (five months ago)
The extent to which she is following the 'so you've been publicly shamed' double-downward spiral is so depressing.
― nashwan, Thursday, 11 September 2025 15:48 (five months ago)
Ugh. I used to love her music and was wondering if maybe I'd eventually feel OK about listening to it again, but I guess not anytime soon.
― jaymc, Thursday, 11 September 2025 15:53 (five months ago)
She's ruined my ability to enjoy her work or Moloko's so job done i guess
I feel like palling up to Glinner isn't just same old same old but a degree of escalation tho
― Dunty Reggae Party (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 September 2025 15:58 (five months ago)
her original non-apology at least had the "I'm not going to discuss it further" angle, now she's just trolling at this point
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 11 September 2025 16:18 (five months ago)
Will she be providing music for the upcoming Harry Potter series?
― MarkoP, Thursday, 11 September 2025 16:36 (five months ago)
Yeah I assumed after the initial remarks she wasn't gonna say anything again perhaps unless really pressed but here we are, chumming with Glinner and being excruciating on record with Kenny Dope (shame on him too)
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 11 September 2025 17:48 (five months ago)
its crazy transphobia is like crystal meth or something you can't just dabble in it you have to ride it all the way down
― frogbs, Thursday, 11 September 2025 17:52 (five months ago)
still breaks my heart and makes me feel sooo dumb to have ever enjoyed this artist who apparently has no idea who her audience was or what some of her work was about
― ivy., Thursday, 11 September 2025 18:10 (five months ago)
profound betrayal. i had just come out as a womwn when this shit came out about her
― ivy., Thursday, 11 September 2025 18:11 (five months ago)
definitely not dumb to have enjoyed her music, who could've guessed she was covertly bigoted
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 11 September 2025 18:35 (five months ago)
Apparently it was the 2nd anniversary of the release of Hit Parade a couple of days ago and she posted a rambling and bitter tweet about how it went from 'album of the year' to journalists revising their scores when she refused to back down and apologise.She even claims she's sold out 'huge venues' since. Didn't she end up playing in pubs and the like lol?
― groovypanda, Thursday, 11 September 2025 19:12 (five months ago)
there was no sign she was this type of person, which is why it was so disappointing. at least w/grimes it was a slow-motion catastrophe so one could get used to the idea, and with MIA she was already largely a non-entity before she put on the tinfoil hat and turned into Candace Owens.
― omar little, Thursday, 11 September 2025 19:27 (five months ago)
I chuckled
Róisín Murphy choosing to get very online to be a terf is so funny to me because I can't forget the time we booked her to self-record a simple iPhone video for Pitchfork social & it was so incomprehensibly bad we couldn't use it. We lowkey thought she'd never used a phone before https://t.co/AmOGquTYca— Carrie Courogen (@carriecourogen) September 9, 2025
― piscesx, Thursday, 11 September 2025 19:45 (five months ago)
She sold out the Alexandra Palace last year. XXpost.
― business, Thursday, 11 September 2025 19:47 (five months ago)
Ugh awful - I HAD guiltily started enjoying her music again now and then, and (naively) put the previous storm down to naiveity, but you don't call Glinner Big G without being fully committed to the direction of travel. In retrospect it make sense she's a big old narcissist.
― chap, Thursday, 11 September 2025 23:28 (five months ago)
Must be 1000 x more sour for her trans former fans.
― chap, Thursday, 11 September 2025 23:29 (five months ago)
Imagine seeing the last two weeks Glinner's had and thinking, 'yeah, The Time Is Now'
― PaulTMA, Friday, 12 September 2025 07:40 (five months ago)
Ah good, had no idea she was 'out' as being super toxic, she also treats the people who work for her like shit too, quelle surprise
― foghorn, Friday, 12 September 2025 08:44 (five months ago)
Do tell
― PaulTMA, Friday, 12 September 2025 08:53 (five months ago)
watched a clip of some anti-trans influencer attacking people for CANCELLING her and being rude about how they were mostly middle-aged gay men. her target audience essentially.
― plax (ico), Friday, 12 September 2025 10:34 (five months ago)
As the writer of the review she tweeted it's funny she thinks I should apologise when in fact she has proven me correct beyond reproach... "Big G", in this economy, jesus fucking christ.
― snake, Friday, 12 September 2025 11:33 (five months ago)
also i'm curious - for someone who "actually cares about people" has she mentioned e.g. Gaza once on her social media accounts?
― Reggaeton Sax (NickB), Friday, 12 September 2025 12:25 (five months ago)
I'm pretty gutted by this to be honest. This is someone that I would classify as an all-time favourite artist and I have to agree with boxedjoy that it seems especially perverse that she would hold these views when the queer community constitute such a large part of her fanbase.Her posts are now being boosted by Glinner and his TERF armies, so unless she unequivocally apologises for her ignorance, then frankly I'll...have to check out of this album campaign, unfortunately, and re-evaluate how I engage with her work generally.― monotony, Thursday, 24 August 2023 9:54 AM (two years ago)
― monotony, Thursday, 24 August 2023 9:54 AM (two years ago)
Haven’t voluntarily listened to any of her music since I posted this, still feel so bummed out by the views she broadcast then, and this latest update is perhaps even more depressing, as it shows that no introspection or contrition has occurred on her part whatsoever, it’s all self-victimising and focused on the effect that it - it being the sharing of views she apparently steadfastly holds and refuses to rebuke - had on her own career. Of course there’s no thought given at all to what the impact would be for trans / queer people when that kind of bigotry comes out from not just some loser on twitter but from someone who hitherto had been idolised by the community. It’s really just so disappointing
― monotony, Friday, 12 September 2025 12:56 (five months ago)
anyway I wouldn’t know if she’s posted about gaza since 2023 as I haven’t been following her lol
― monotony, Friday, 12 September 2025 12:57 (five months ago)
― Reggaeton Sax (NickB)
For 'people' read 'herself'
― chap, Friday, 12 September 2025 13:46 (five months ago)
Here’s a different Róisín who has done something
https://connachttribune.ie/irish-song-gets-unique-twist-as-roisin-records-for-gaza/
― omar little, Friday, 12 September 2025 13:51 (five months ago)
Yes, but from Oranmore unfortunately
― plax (ico), Saturday, 13 September 2025 09:37 (five months ago)
As the headline says, she's at it again.
https://www.them.us/story/roisin-murphy-trans-comments-controversy?client_service_name=them
― Webinar in Wetherspoons (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 October 2025 08:38 (four months ago)
Mystifies me why barely famous people feel the need to announce this toxic shit on social media, or reply it tbh albeit that's a lesser issue.
― LocalGarda, Thursday, 23 October 2025 08:49 (four months ago)
Great response from The Blessed Madonna though
― groovypanda, Thursday, 23 October 2025 10:16 (four months ago)
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQFhxVwDNZr/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 23 October 2025 10:40 (four months ago)
in the bin with her
https://discourse-drowned-in-sound-images.s3.dualstack.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/original/4X/7/d/5/7d51bfb580da3679624f402322565a5527dc9ebe.jpeg
― . (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 23 October 2025 11:33 (four months ago)
wow
― The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 October 2025 12:01 (four months ago)
https://i.supaimg.com/a9d5f838-7414-4cb6-b978-26034ceebb44.jpg
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 23 October 2025 21:16 (four months ago)
Em dashes indicate AI usage.
― piscesx, Thursday, 23 October 2025 21:28 (four months ago)
loved Annabel Ross' commentary on this: "Roisin Murphy announces her retirement"
for real though, just an absolute waste.
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 23 October 2025 21:32 (four months ago)
“I know that one day I will be remembered for my bravery” is a good start toward Glinner’s insistence that “when this is all over” there will be tribunals where everyone he ever worked with in the past (except one) will be forced to apologise to him.
― fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Thursday, 23 October 2025 21:56 (four months ago)
She seems very very dim. As well as jawdroppingly arrogant and delusional in a way that is indeed very reminiscent of Linehan.
― Webinar in Wetherspoons (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 October 2025 22:07 (four months ago)
Well, she seemed stupid for a while; it's the malice behind the "Every little helps!" reply that made me think, "Fuck you to hell, lady."
― The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 October 2025 22:56 (four months ago)
She has an insane way of showing she has no hate for trans people.
― omar little, Thursday, 23 October 2025 23:58 (four months ago)
Jessie Ware no longer follows her on Instagram
― omar little, Friday, 24 October 2025 00:01 (four months ago)
'audit'?
― plax (ico), Friday, 24 October 2025 04:05 (four months ago)
stupid & malicious is a bad combination
― ufo, Friday, 24 October 2025 04:51 (four months ago)
We need Steve Graham to make a hard hitting drama about the perils of dumbass gen xers having their minds poisoned by constantly scrolling mumsnet on their telephones, it’s the only thing that’ll get us out of this mess
― fact checking suz (wins), Friday, 24 October 2025 07:44 (four months ago)
haha if that happened I'd never mock Adolescence again
― a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 24 October 2025 08:29 (four months ago)
Stephen Graham rocking back and forth whispering the lyrics to Sing It Back while shaking with tears
― LocalGarda, Friday, 24 October 2025 09:48 (four months ago)
Wonder if Fat White Family will be inviting her on stage days after this outburst like they did last time
― PaulTMA, Friday, 24 October 2025 09:52 (four months ago)
"what if 🎶 bring it back 🎶 was about gender essentialism, not such a fun-time party jam any more"
― boxedjoy, Friday, 24 October 2025 11:01 (four months ago)
Praise from Caesar
https://i.ibb.co/JjZnFHW2/6ac51bab-5502-4f9c-a4aa-4ec4d1751b9f.jpg
― Number None, Friday, 24 October 2025 14:22 (four months ago)
― omar little, Thursday, October 23, 2025 8:01 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
Part of 'the mob', obviously.
― A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Friday, 24 October 2025 14:24 (four months ago)
A few weeks ago a friend mentioned he'd been listening to her a lot lately. I thought about telling him "I have reason to believe she's a transphobe": he's the kind of person who would def want to know, but also prob has no idea who Linehan is. There was just enough ambiguity around her first foray into being publicly anti-trans that I decided not to try to explain it over texts and said nothing. Pretty wild that she's decided to go this route and made it so much harder to ignore (plus attacking her entire fanbase? fucking nuts)
― rob, Friday, 24 October 2025 14:48 (four months ago)
When you drink the kool aid you’re in deep.
― Dan Worsley, Friday, 24 October 2025 14:54 (four months ago)
This seems to be a peculiar quirk of British terfdom--someone gets backlash for posting something transphobic, retreats into semi-apologies and "I fully support trans people", and then comes back with all these charts and 'facts' they got from their new friends in the terf-sphere, who constantly tell them how brave they are. And then they are just posting full on "men cannot become women!" bullshit all day every day.
― A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Friday, 24 October 2025 14:56 (four months ago)
i guess theres a lot of lovebombing we dont see
― plax (ico), Friday, 24 October 2025 15:00 (four months ago)
RM not British of course, but yes there does is apparently a specific online culture of UK/Ireland anti-transness that's distinct from what you get in North America, e.g. the Cass Report mostly got traction over here from a few anti-trans journalists and obvious right-wingers.
I guess I'm curious how it works in AUS/NZ?
― rob, Friday, 24 October 2025 15:01 (four months ago)
xp that should really read i *would* guess as this is speculation
― plax (ico), Friday, 24 October 2025 15:01 (four months ago)
I wouldn't be surprised if JKR reaches out directly to people like this
― rob, Friday, 24 October 2025 15:03 (four months ago)
their minds poisoned by constantly scrolling mumsnet on their telephones
it's interesting to me that mumsnet has never had any traction with US users. I realize they didn't focus on growing that site here, but it's the internet and open to anyone.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 24 October 2025 15:18 (four months ago)
You've got the call it momsnet to get the US on board
― A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Friday, 24 October 2025 15:20 (four months ago)
yourmomsnet
― she freaks, she speaks (map), Friday, 24 October 2025 16:01 (four months ago)
Our potential mumsnet folk are too busy shilling MLMs to be real posters.
― Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Friday, 24 October 2025 18:30 (four months ago)
RM not British of course
And neither is Linehan.
― Webinar in Wetherspoons (Tom D.), Friday, 24 October 2025 19:54 (four months ago)
They're all citizens of Rowlandia
― A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Friday, 24 October 2025 19:59 (four months ago)
It seems a bit weird to be as flippant as that "Every little helps" comment given her fan base [prior to her original comment].
― djh, Friday, 24 October 2025 20:49 (four months ago)
All very disappointing but can't help but hear the lyrics 'your data, my data/ the chromosomes match /exact as in matter/ a matter of fact' differently and chuckle. Glinner collecting Róisín into his roster like a collectible TERF barbie is not something I had on my bingo card, but somehow not really surprised
― uglyfemme, Friday, 24 October 2025 23:03 (four months ago)
Literally every time, anytime someone makes a comment regarding trans people that feels a little weird or off they end up being full fledged bigots
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 28 October 2025 18:54 (four months ago)
More of this pleasehttps://ra.co/news/83860
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 28 October 2025 19:34 (four months ago)
when you're too awful for Turkey it's time to pack it in
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 28 October 2025 20:07 (four months ago)
The woke mind virus has infected Turkey.
― Webinar in Wetherspoons (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 October 2025 20:21 (four months ago)
It's not a paradise of LGBTQ rights, but Turkey is better on this than you might assume. For example, they legalized same-sex sex 125 years before Ireland and granted the right to change your legal gender in 1988 (it was 2015 in Ireland)
― rob, Tuesday, 28 October 2025 20:22 (four months ago)
Roisin Murphy joined the #199DaysLaterMarch in London to demand the government adhere to the Supreme Court's ruling on Single Sex Spaces.Wonderful to meet you @roisinmurphy ❤️🔥#199DaysLater #TickTock pic.twitter.com/lOQWofgMOL— #199 Days Later (@acts_grassroots) November 1, 2025
― plax (ico), Saturday, 1 November 2025 22:04 (four months ago)
morbidly curious to how awful her next album will be and what it will sound like
― Murgatroid, Saturday, 1 November 2025 22:38 (four months ago)
Who will produce it? Diplo?
― octobeard, Saturday, 1 November 2025 23:23 (four months ago)
Graham Linehan.
― Webinar in Wetherspoons (Tom D.), Saturday, 1 November 2025 23:34 (four months ago)
I'm trying to think of other noteworthy TERFs in music and I'm coming up empty
― Murgatroid, Saturday, 1 November 2025 23:40 (four months ago)
Nick Cave. I don’t actually know if he’s a TERF but it would fit in with his persona these days.
― Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Saturday, 1 November 2025 23:50 (four months ago)
there's a bunch of other brits who've been pretty vocally transphobic on twitter, though this was mostly years ago now - francis macdonald from teenage fanclub, tracyanne cambpell from camera obscura and craig potter from elbow are the ones that immediately come to mind. none have experienced the same sort of severe backlash as murphy because they're all lower profile (who really cares about what the keyboard player from elbow thinks about anything?), didn't have the same sort of heavily queer fanbase & don't have main character syndrome.
cave is a dumbass but he's not outright reactionary, just committed to "i disagree with you but i will defend your right to say it" to an extreme degree which leads him to some very dumb positions. he's been vocally pro-trans, though i'm sure if pressed would say some nonsense about how he disagrees with hate but trying to censor or cancel transphobes just makes things worse.
― ufo, Sunday, 2 November 2025 00:20 (four months ago)
I thought I remembered there being some kind of TERF dust up with Camera Obscura, but when I went looking for it I couldn't find anything—like it had been scrubbed from the entire internet. Thanks for putting a name on it.
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 2 November 2025 02:43 (four months ago)
(who really cares about what the keyboard player from elbow thinks about anything?)
― business, Sunday, 2 November 2025 02:43 (four months ago)
I thought I remembered there being some kind of TERF dust up with Camera Obscura, but when I went looking for it I couldn't find anything—like it had been scrubbed from the entire internet.
this was all on twitter like 5 or 6 years ago and she deleted the tweets years ago. no idea if her views have changed at all since then but she's largely kept quiet rather than publicly tripling down
― ufo, Sunday, 2 November 2025 03:28 (four months ago)
Imagine trying to be Murphy's press manager right now. "I really don't think this is a good idea, you said you were just going to keep quiet on the issue"
― boxedjoy, Sunday, 2 November 2025 04:43 (four months ago)
kinda feel like she's just gunning for some right-wing music talking head press rep at this point. a comically, needlessly cooked career.
― My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Sunday, 2 November 2025 04:51 (four months ago)
Whatever happened to Ariel Pink?
― Cow_Art, Sunday, 2 November 2025 04:54 (four months ago)
He's touring. Performs in Berkeley of all places in a couple days
― octobeard, Sunday, 2 November 2025 10:48 (four months ago)
She has really weathered it until now. Headlined a big festival in Dublin this year i think. Most people don't even become aware of this stuff even if they would disagree with her bigotry. Most people are also very complacent. Still, it feels like being a transphobe is far more damaging to her brand than it would be to e.g. the guy who makes blurry, queasy and formerly buzzy indie pop.
― plax (ico), Sunday, 2 November 2025 19:07 (four months ago)
Yeah, Ariel Pink had a troll element baked in. People expected better of Murphy.
― Cow_Art, Sunday, 2 November 2025 19:28 (four months ago)
Find it mad that while it would never be entirely forgotten, but she could have at least tried to downplay it all as a big oopsie at least for the sake of her career (as she appeared to initiallY), but she's decided to go nah fuck it, gonna get terf'd out of one's nut
― PaulTMA, Sunday, 2 November 2025 23:43 (four months ago)
And frothing-at-the-mouth, can't-talk-about-any-other-subject-anymore bigots to boot. They become fixated, bring the subject up unprompted, redirect unrelated conversations so they can spew their bigotry... it's incredible, it's the ebola of brainworms. It just erupts from you in every direction once you've got it.
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Sunday, 2 November 2025 23:51 (four months ago)
People expected better of Murphy.
imagine having a career built on a fanbase foundation comprised--if not completely--largely of LGBTQ people, then revealing yourself like this, then starting to use the power of the fame you achieved through this fanbase to turn on a specific, currently exceptionally vulnerable subgroup in that fanbase. and of course what happens is there are particular stans even within the fanbase who are willing to stick by her and use this as an excuse to demonize trans people. what a rancid bit off villainy.
― omar little, Monday, 3 November 2025 17:53 (four months ago)
― colonic interrogation (gyac), Monday, 3 November 2025 18:13 (four months ago)
Some of the very sleaziest guys are gay men.
― The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 November 2025 18:15 (four months ago)
compare and contrast
Kylie Minogue dishes to Laverne Cox during Live From E! at the 2024 GRAMMYs about her new era of music and why she's ready to fangirl on the red carpet. pic.twitter.com/lc6PFgL64H— E! Online Asia (@eonlineasia) February 5, 2024
― omar little, Monday, 3 November 2025 18:25 (four months ago)
― The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, November 3, 2025 6:15 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
unaddressed pain can turn them into rabid dogs, it's true. this isn't really roisin murphy or trans related, but the hard-working, sweet and courageous bar and security workers at a local gay bar, the oldest one in town (where i dj'ed until earlier this year), have been on strike for the last month. the current owner - not a gay man, a "mama bear" with a savior complex - completely turned on them and now she's closed the bar. the staff weren't even striking for a wage increase, it was to prevent the owner from firing people at-will and to have her adequately staff events with medically trained personnel. the strike leader shared some of the text messages that the owner's gay man friends sent her and they are absolutely vile. there is a thing a lot of gay men tend to do, ime, where they take being "bitchy" or whatever as cover for all kinds of hateful, ignorant, reactionary behavior. gendered nastiness is a go-to for them.
― she freaks, she speaks (map), Monday, 3 November 2025 18:35 (four months ago)
I would bet that if William S. Burroughs was alive today he would be extremely transphobic.
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Monday, 3 November 2025 19:30 (four months ago)
re Camera Obscura, their bassist has been openly pro-trans, so words may have been had.
Certain people in the Glasgow indie scene have really shown their arses in the past few years over this. Either being actively GC/defending GC pals/tolerating it for an easy life. As with much UK terfery, it's often linked in with Gen X entitlement, people who think of themselves as cool arty liberals getting mad that other/younger people in the scene have better politics/aren't showing due deference to the indie overlords.
Very glad I have little to do with that stuff any more, the DIY weirdos and improv people are much sounder and musically far more interesting.
The dreadful L*st Night From Gl*sgow label is run by transphobes but have done a good job of keeping that on the DL, to the extent that I imagine many of the artists working with them probably aren't aware. However, it's telling that they put out the egregious Fat Cops, which features two transphobic centre right journalists, JKR's husband and Al Murray the Pub Landlord. Leftist shitposters couldn't make this shit up!
― Composition 40b (Stew), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 12:16 (four months ago)
I generally don't like playing this game, but yeah--there are certain people whose hot takes on this matter we may be better for having been denied.
― cryptosicko, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 12:37 (four months ago)
Burroughs was somewhat, sometimes, into gender fluidity and break down of binary norms; especially when it came to the body + total personal freedom - so i'd think he would be less likely to be TERFY than say, Kerouac
― . (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 13:51 (four months ago)
He was also super misogynistic, though; I could see him arriving at something like "Why the hell would anyone want to become a woman?"
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 14:15 (four months ago)
I don't think this conversation is helpful tbh
― The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 14:19 (four months ago)
Agreed--I should trust my initial impulse here.
― cryptosicko, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 14:27 (four months ago)
See, this I didn't know, and I have been boycotting them b/c TA's terfery was pretty well known in indiepop circles. Good on the bassist!
hey put out the egregious Fat Cops, which features two transphobic centre right journalists, JKR's husband and Al Murray the Pub Landlord.
What in the actual fuck is this nightmare?
― emil.y, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 14:31 (four months ago)
Plus Bobby Bluebell. Truly some of the worst shit I've ever heard, a foul confluence of auld Scottish indie, aggro-centrist media types and crap British comedy. Fortunately they seem to have split up now the Bluebells have reformed. Their comeback music is not good, but at least it's not the FC.
― Composition 40b (Stew), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 14:46 (four months ago)
The dreadful L*st Night From Gl*sgow label
I got on their PR list somehow; have no idea how. Need to fix that.
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 15:03 (four months ago)
just chiming in to say “i bet this dead historical figure would have been transphobic” is a truly wacked thing to say.
― a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 22:55 (four months ago)
I wouldn't engage in it out loud, but imagining a croaky Burroughs running commentary on our end times can be fun.
― Cow_Art, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 23:01 (four months ago)
Haven’t we got enough living transphobes to discuss?
― colonic interrogation (gyac), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 23:06 (four months ago)
It’s just distasteful, and tbr, his concept of shlupping and moving beyond the confines of biologically determined gender kind of render the speculation rather stupid, too.
― a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 23:30 (four months ago)
I mean, even last year's Guadagnino adaptation of Queer got that right.
― The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 23:31 (four months ago)
Given even current transphobes have somewhat incoherent ideas which they struggle to apply with precision (e.g. one would ~expect~ "gender-critical" people to be very pro-enby, but somehow they're mostly even more offended by enbys than they claim to be by trans people) it seems particularly pointless to try to speculate on what incoherent position a long-since-dead historical figure might have taken.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 04:54 (four months ago)
one would ~expect~ "gender-critical" people to be very pro-enby
not if you read it as the transphobe equivalent of "race realist"
― ufo, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 06:53 (four months ago)