Courtney Love - Cash Cow or Evil Bitch

No. of Hole songs I listen to regularly: 1

I've nothing against her.

Anyway, unless I'm having you over for dinner (or you're GG Allin), it's your music that matters, and Courtney does just fine on that front - good job in The People vs Larry Flynt as well.

All I will say besides that about Courtney Love is that she's clearly one of the most clever fuckers alive.

She's heinous, narcissitic trash and should be set on fire with all speed.

Tho actually this is only a fair taking-sides if you include Courtney's all-time worst boyfriend, featured at length in K&C: Roz Rozabek..

Oh well.

So much for feminism.

Nicole is right : Courtney cannot help but pale in comparison with the evil that Fred Durst and his admirers represent.

Therefore by logic (and proportion) Fred Durst = ?????????????

At this point I'm indifferent to her. On the one hand I think a lot of the personal attacks are simply dumb jealousy -- whatever. However, a couple of friends of mine have met her and were unimpressed with her personally, and I trust their judgment.

Musically -- she's an admitted goth rocker who borrowed a Bauhaus song for the first album and has covered Echo and the Bunnymen. I don't regularly listen to Hole or Nirvana any more, but I appreciate her background. ;-)

i've always had a fond preference for harum-scarum, possibly because of the eternally intriguing bugs bunny cartoon 'hare-um scarum' which means NOTHING to a six year-old in 1989 and is therefore symbolic of an entire world of bizarre linguistic references. hopefully 'grill- shill' will someday be passed on in the same confusing fashion.

If you can't see how Courtney Love is clever - whether or not you regard her as musically talented or a nice human being - then quite frankly you don't deserve my attention at all.

Fred once told my mom she looked like Courtney Love, which is so not even true. But he thinks I look like Liz Hurley and my sister looks like Katie Holmes so he's rather obviously on crack.

"Sexual revolutionary" = getting thisclose to a sequence of guys that *I* wouldn't touch with *yours*...?

To address the 'double-standard' claim: You can't decry the beautiful people of this world, claiming to be outside of/above the system and railing against it and they surgically transform yourself into a glamorous beutiful person yourself and emerse yourself in it. That is having your cake and eating it too...and a flagrant double-standard. You can't be Lydia Lunch and Charlize Theron at the same time.

Courtney once claimed to represent (as the very embodiment of independent female empowerment) the besitting ugly ducklings of the world, whom she summarily abandoned upon her repugnant makeover. She used to mock the prom queen....now she *IS* the prom queen. The Courtney Love that youthful little punk rock girls once idolized was eaten alive by her own bloated ego and stardom-crazed need for attention.

I wouldn't call La Courtney so much clever as shrewd. And there is a difference.

good karmic blessing on sister bitch. (hahah)

- if she is a whore so is bjork, justine frischmann(?) + every musician i've ever met, male or female + all you journos who bigup the shite for the papez

ive never met her but i doubt shed shag me for all me giro !

x0x0

And tellingly so, with exponentially inflated dollar figures. The riot grrl, kinderwhore Courtney would have identified with the scenario in Albini's essay; in her speech, the Hollywood Courtney -- although the core of that speech still has loads of truth in it -- comes off like Lars Ulrich.

Quite amusing that someone brought up the similarity to Mudhoney's 'Sweet Young Thing Ain't Sweet No More', Nirvana had the same criticism levelled against them for 'Negative Creep' with its "Daddy's little girl ain't a girl no more" refrain.

2. Celebrity Skin had always had a terrible press as far as I'm aware - yet I rather enjoyed it (from the library) and its glossy radio-rock ways. I think this counts as one of those 'guilty pleasures'; or did till I found that Tom E et al liked it too.

3. Still, no way can I rate any of her records over Nevermind - which is too heavy and glossy for me, really, but still melodically outstanding.

I'm posting this because, quite frankly, I don't like this subject at all and I've decided to change it. "Courtney's a whore" is a terrible thing to say.

*And when Billy stopped saying he "wrote" the songs, he insinuated it heavily, acting as if he didn't want to bother getting into a media battle with her. When she was on Stern, she also said he "helped a lot" and gave him quite a bit of credit, said which choruses he wrote and which guitar parts. Knowing Courtney is a superbitch, I'd have to say she probably also held back quite a bit of credit, too. It's funny. She latched onto Kurt, Trent and Billy! Interesting!

I really do love the way that someone like Courtney is just arbitrarily labelled a whore by this message board by and large, and I still haven't seen much of an explanation for it. You don't like her music, fantastic, but what has she done that's so whore-like?

Quite frankly, I think the handful of people pointing to this thread as proof that this board is a little bit of an old (little?) boys club are getting more than ample ammo.

That being said, I'm still completely convinced that you're full of shit, neuro, and are just trying to wind everyone up time and time again, so I love you. I definitely admire that, it's very...dare I say it? Yes, it's very Courtney Love of you.

Stevie T is a brave man.

Why so concerned with who Courtney fucks? Not many people seem to have such impressive knowledge of the whys and whos as you do, so I just wanted to know how you amassed such a vast database of knowledge on the subject. If it's because you like the National Enquirer, cool - - there's not a finer publication in the country.

I'd rather have a rock star who'd spit on me than one who'd pander to me.

Proton, Elvis is Elvis Presley. I guess the question shows where you're at.

*besides the obvious answer, of course. Answers on a postcard to the usual address.

Scary Courtney won't be able to hurt you in your dreams, it's alright.

Proton, Elvis is Elvis Presley.

Heybuddy, you're 27, where are you getting your information about Elvis?

Actually, you won't ever see me attacking The Source because the magazine is a good source of hip hop interviews and information. Rolling Stone, however, is another matter.

I find it interesting that proton gets sniggered at by neuro for his childish taunting when it strikes me that the whole age thing is the exact same thing? That being said, I still have a hard time believing you're 27, because if you are, you sure like to mention it an awful lot.

The information that other people don't write her songs. Is that an opinion? It was suggested that this sort of crap is only popular fiction in the National Enquirer. She said her boyfriends all wrote songs for her. Whether or not they're actually credited on the sleeve, I don't know, like I said.

That I don't think Courtney Love is a skank whore or the most evil person alive?

Um, no, you're confusing issues again, aren't you? I'm sorry if you have trouble telling the two apart. That you don't think she's a skank or evil WOULD be an opinion.

You still haven't answered my question as to whether or not all famous people should be considered whores since they date other famous people.

That's because the question shouldn't have been directed at me and I didn't realize it was. It presupposes that I've stated that she's a whore for those reasons, which I haven't. Although Geoff answered this question nicely for you. Go read his response.

Should we assume every one is dating each other to get ahead? More importantly, what's exactly wrong about it?

Hmmm, it's interesting, that if you LIKE the person, this notion is extrememely offensive. But, if say, we're talking about Yoko Ono or Linda McCartney, most people are offended by their presence, Tom Arnold as well. If you don't find it offensive, then by all means sleep with your boss or give your next interviewer a blowjob. Still, I've only said she was a leech in this case, not a whore.

You're not going to get ahead without something to propell yourself BESIDES who you are having sex with (see: most of Madonna's boyfriends).

So then we should all do it, clearly.

I find it interesting that proton gets sniggered at by neuro for his childish taunting when it strikes me that the whole age thing is the exact same thing?

This is hardly a complete sentence. What age thing? Are you rambling? You and Hole vs. me and Elvis Presley? I've already pointed out that where I get my information from would have to be the same place you get yours: media, record sleeves, movies, etc. And, in the case of Elvis Presley, I see no behavior like that of Courtney's, which is all I claimed.

That being said, I still have a hard time believing you're 27, because if you are, you sure like to mention it an awful lot.

Um... yes, that is a logical conclusion, surely. Especially since I've mentioned it twice: once when you asked and just now to clarify just how old you were when Hole was starting out. Brilliant.

This discussion with you is over - if you can't understand the simple concept of who cares versus didn't happen, then what's the point in talking to you at all, pisstake or no?

You've misconstrued absolutely everything I've said until just now, when you realize you're all wrong.

Run away, little girl.

I love how Mr. "Childish Taunts Are Bad" immediately pulls "little girl" out of his hat once he realizes he didn't quite follow what I actually said.

Yoko and Linda aren't offensive people - I find it far more offensive for someone to assume they both were married to their men to further their careers.

If you are so interested, I'll let you in on what I'm currently into, besides design, music and home recording: Quantum physics, psychology and semantics. "The Nonlocal Universe" is a book that's taking up most of my free time right now. Before that it was a book called "Quantum Psychology" and before that it was "The Elegant Universe", which came right after I plowed through all the Harry Potter books (I liked the 1st and 3rd ones). Also, "Grendel" was a great read, as was "Tongue Fu" and "The Delicate Art of Verbal Self Defense" (this "delicate art" doesn't apply when I can suffer no consequences and my attackers are nitwits on the net). "Sex & Rockets" was an interesting read, though poorly written.

As for TV, there's not much at all that I actually like in the 5 months or so that I've been reaquainted with it. And I don't drink soft drinks, so Mountain Dew, as you suggest, is out of the question. Or alcohol, for that matter. When I'm not arguing with you fine people, I'm actually performing on the job or working out or reading.

So, there you have it. If you're going to try to make me look like a geek, now you have the proper ammunition, rather than your VH1 obsession. Frontline is a pretty good show, but I don't catch it all that often, since I'm never sure when it's on. So, that's "who I am" since you asked earlier. Now, who are you?

Then why post pointless questions about VH1 shows? I couldn't care less about the vagaries of your life, but if you post questions about all of these different tv shows what do you expect people to think?

What does that mean? I really don't know. Couple of points, though: If I really was a bore, you wouldn't be rabidly communicating with me. That's along the same lines as the "oh that music's boring" thread we just had. It's a putdown copout line for dismissing something you don't like. As for my ability to put for a coherent argument, it's funny that I beat you all hands down every time, while you constantly try to put words in my mouth and continuously misread what I've written. Stay focused. You're run-on blathering doesn't magically undo the mistakes you've already made further up the thread and, fortunately, the threads don't disappear just because you add on a loophole such as, "who cares?" or "you're boring" or "hey, you watch all those shows on VH1, what do you expect people to think?" when "all those shows" is, in fact, ONE show that holds no interest to me and the "people" is just a manipulative, false presupposition that refers to the one singular person who made the mistake in the first place. I expect "people" to think there is not enough information given to make a conclusion about anything. Most of you are blamers, it seems, constantly blaming people for thinking things they haven't even stated they think! Figure that one out.

Conclusion: the people who defend musicians in such a manner, running all over and jumping to conclusions, must see a bit of themselves in the musician and fight blindly to preserve their identity, represented in the musician. Pathetic.

Persi is totally not a cockfarmer, so you can't say he reminds you of neuro. Persi was awesome, despite being a Radiohead fan.

I'll say what I always say: The main arguments that people use against Courtney Love are almost *NEVER* about her music, and almost *ALWAYS* about her personal life, her lovers, her appearance, her image, and a thousand other thing.

To me, that smacks of sexism.

For what it's worth (though we seem to have lost all pretense of talking about music years ago) I *like* her music. I like her early, raw, powerful punk stuff, and I also like her Southern California Pop. I don't talk about sell-outs. Good artists develop and change.

I'm with Kate for like the second time today, what is that about?

Geoff made a perfectly valid point that explained exactly what he meant by "whore" and certain people just ran wild with the idea that the underlying message was that she slept her way to the top. Name me a male artist that is as talentless, obnoxious and juvenile as Courtney Love and has jumped from female musician to female musician who write songs for him and, guess what, it's the same situation. Only problem is I can't think of too many who actually did this. Actually, I can't think of one.

Talentless is a subjective word, for fear of starting up neuro again.

Courtney is undoubtedly a fucked-up person and I wouldn't neccessarily want to have tea with her but I like some of her records. The bulk of this evening's posts should have gone to e-mail long ago, in my opinion.

Tom, I was going to suggest it the next time that someone feel compelled to jump down my throat for my opinion, that they email me. Somehow, I think it takes the fun out of it if they're not trying to publicly humiliate me (badly, at that) and gang up with the popular opinion.

And yes, I reckon she has a much higher presence here than anywhere else. I'm mean, she's in magazines every single month - ALL of them. It's a little surreal.

I can't see how she'd be offensive, because then she might be interesting. Her music seems very generic and bland, but not annoying. Oh wait, she did do that disney tv special with Aaron Carter. I do find Aaron Carter pretty offensive. He's a cash cow and evil whore for sure.

Like her or not, no one quite has the ability to incite debate, controversy and arguments like Courtney Love. Isn't the incitement of Public Opinion (either positively or negatively) one of the *principle* jobs of our idols and our rock stars?

I find it fascinating that she can inspire *SUCH* fanatical opinions either way. Love her or hate her, she is an icon.

I find the "female Axl Rose" comments intriguing. I have often myself compared her to a female Iggy Pop. People who inspire that car-crash utter intrigue and fascination through their fucked-up-ness. Yeah, it would suck if *everyone* were just like them, but the fact that *no one* is just like them is part of the fascination. How can one person transcend the boundaries of what is acceptible behaviour to society so many times and on so many times, and still get away with it?

There's something very Dionysian about the whole thing.

CL has clearly afffected you in some HUGE way to provoke such a response, as not even mentioning The Strokes around me could make me keep a thread going this long. Even if you hate her, don't you see that there's clearly *something* to her to affect you in this way?

And about your Hitler quip, well, no one outside of the National Front or the KKK thinks he's *good* but you cannot deny his effect on history, or the fact that he may have been one of the most important people of the 20th Century. There is something intensely interesting in that, even if it is the study of evil.

I'm not a Courtney Love fan.

I think she's interesting and ace as a celebrity, a total antidote to the majority of stars who are boring and insipid with no cleverness or intelligence to them at all, and certainly not worth discussing. I do not like her music in the least, I find her unattractive, and she can be completely obnoxious.

However, she's NOT a whore for having sex with any of her boyfriends, I don't care about this rubbish over who wrote her songs (why does ANYONE care?), and she is an interesting personality. She isn't evil, she's just loud, strong and opinionated, and unafraid to do what she wants to do.

She rather obviously is an intelligent person inasmuch as she knows exactly how to promote herself, push people's buttons, and make sure she gets to the top (and no, I don't believe she fucked her way to the top and I find that a ludicrious position to hold - she'd be gone by now from the collective society if she had actually done that with nothing to back her and no other skills or promotional ability). Some of her songs are catchy, no matter who they are written by, and she has an ability to put ideas, whether original or not, into discussion by making sure they get brought up in prominent media (i.e. her Napster speech, which was not original but gave the opinion much higher profile).

If this makes me Courtney Love's biggest fan, then so be it. I think by and large she's a fantastic celebrity, and not a bad person. She's certainly nowhere near the not-very-seriously-stated comparison between her and Axl Rose, since I've yet to hear Courtney spew racist, homophobic or mysoginistic bullshit, and as far as I know she never beat up ol' Kurt. I actually like that Iggy Pop comparison stated way earlier, except Iggy has nowhere near Courtney's talent for making herself important to the media thru whichever means possible.

If she kept her opinions to herself and played nice, regardless of her music or her looks, this wouldn't even be a thread, which is kind of sad.

This is about your bull-headed inability to let anyone else have the last word.

I don't play that game, and I feel ashamed for trying to actually make points or statements when all I was doing was unwittingly play your stupid, macho game of internet chicken.

Goodbye. Have fun playing by yourself in the nursery and throwing all the toys out the crib by yourself.

(It wasn't an insult, either, Ally, calling your her biggest fan. I admire the woman, too.)

And, I never said she was an alcoholic, white trash, skank whore trailer trash. I said she would probably end up that way. There is a difference. Yes, Elvis was a poor goober from the sticks. He certainly had some manners, though, for the "rebel" he was supposed to be. I'm not going to defend him, either, though. I just said he was "cool"... a word we all know lies in the eye of the beholder, so clearly there's nothing wrong with that. So, yes, if you think CL is "cool" than go right ahead. Dont tell me I should feel that way, though. That's fascist.

If we want to go into Psych 101 and start dissecting my role models, which seems to have become the point of multiple posts on this thread (not aimed at you Kate!), here you go: Madonna.

Wow, have I re-examined my view of her. Again, a fascinating, compelling, interesting, intelligent in a world of fluff, celebrity that, whether you enjoy her music or not (sometimes I do, sometimes I don't) you cannot dispute the fact that she is one of the most powerful and long-lasting female icons of not just music, but culture at large.

And- interestingly, another woman who's been derrided for having a string of celebrity boyfriends, and who's been accused of being a "slut" or "whore" for exploring her own sexuality, and society at large's reaction to women's sexuality.

Madonna and Courtney Love are both very powerful, very interesting female icons. There's a thesis in there somewhere, if I were at University...

Would you please shut the fuck up? I hope this accepts pictures.

Well, I guess if you don't have any friends, the solution is to build one.

It would be cool if the robot ends up looking like Tom Servo, but if it looks like a little kid like Hayley Joel Osment in the AI trailer it will be pretty disturbing.

Hmmmmm... ::sound of evil genius at work::

Nah, I just picture fred as a kid from an 80's sitcom who builds a loveable robot sidekick because he gets picked on at school. Kind of like how the nerdy kid in the family had Mr. Belvedere or Alf to turn to for companionship. And at least with a robot friend, fred would have someone around that is automatically programmed to like his taste in music.

If it makes Orange Julius, that would only be a bonus.

I know it wasn't on Baretta, that much is for sure.

Actually since Tom has thought of moving to the states perhaps he should consider taking on the job of a "loveable" English butler to an idiotic american family. Maybe fred and his robot?

I only like the Three's Company idea if Otis is Jack Tripper.

I don't want to think about what RT would be doing whilst the show is on.

Oh, Friday afternoon disease. We've all got it bad.

Too many scooby snacks. Indeed.

paul.

http://wrep.hypermart.net/x-e/alf4.jpg

"I eat pussies for breakfast!"

And that probably spells the end of my short-lived ILM fascination. A bunch of whining pussies.

I hope posting pictures on here doesn't become a trend.

I have just looked at this thread for the first time in days. Bizarre!! What was it all about in the end? Why did heybuddy sign off with a picture of a puppet animal? Is he ever coming back? And are we taking sandwiches?

Laura N.

From what i have seen of her i really don't like her, but its nothing to do with celebrity or getting a boob job. She should be able to want to look nice and still say looks are not the most important thing in the world. I feel that way but i still like to look my best when i can.

The problem with Courtney is she seems not to come accross as the nicest of people. Now this may be deliberate, to conjure up controversy and publicise herself and if i ever met her she may be really nice. However as she is a celebrity she is in the public eye. This means that a. People are bound to form an opinion on her and b. That opinion will be based on the media surrounding her.

It seems obvious that she is interesting otherwise there wouldnt be so many posts and that she is inteligent.

As for ripping off steve albini, well really if she did read his essay and found she agreed with it and wanted to air those veiws, well whats wrong with that.

If thats the reason. If it is however once again to promote herself then, well its a bit off.

I guess if i ever meet her in real life (not likely admittidly) then i will be able to say whether or not she seemed nice or nasty.

Appologies for the poor spelling and grammer

So what happened with this, then.

"Idiotic tones are subjective" - he was a genius in some ways, sadly lost to us now...

but out of interest, what were the other ugly posts?

As a musician: Meh.

As an actress: Classic. The accolades for "Larry Flynt" are well deserved, but how about "Man On The Moon"? That wouldn't have been half the movie it was if she hadn't been in it!

As a media icon: Great, and the living proof that misogyny is alive and well ("hey, Kurt killed himself....must be the fault of that evil bitch Courtney!!" almost as pathetic as the evergreen "hey, The Beatles broke up...must be the fault of that evil bitch Yoko!!!"); yeah, she's fucked up alot, but she's never done anything more ugly than what Johnny Rotten has done, more degenerate than what Elvis Presley has done, or more hypocritical than what Joe Strummer has done. Overall, she's on the right side of the force.

As a pin-up: Slightly superior to ALF, but no match for Fred's robot.

Courtney Love remains an evil bitch of the most deplorable capacity, and if you can't recognize that, then you are wallowing in an incomprable pit of denial.

That's all folks....

and brought billy corgan with her.

From The Smoking Gun web site:

"Courtney Love doesn't want you to read these documents.

"Lawyers for the rock star yesterday (12/10) sent TSG a four-page letter threatening legal action if the site did not immediately remove excerpts from an explosive investigative report by the California Medical Board."

"After consulting with TSG's legal counsel, the documents will stay in place."

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/cletdrugs1.html

She targeting teenagers!

Teenagers are so influencial.... this is disgusting!

She is absolutely a horrible role model! She is an advocate of physical abuse! (jumping off stage and assaulting "teen" agers)
and the arguement, that people dislike her because she's a woman, and not a man- is laughable! If a man had jumped off stage and physically assaulted teenagers... I seriously believed he would have been carted off to jail!

Which leads me into "another" arguement that is Pro-Courtney... "the media misrepresents her" or "she is just misunderstood" - If anything, "I" am insulted the media "played" down the physical assault! That is a travesty!

Regardless.... I am in opposition to anything that glamourizes Courtney Love's behaviour!
I am currently organzing both protests, and boycotts against her new label "virgin" - As well as any producers/sponsors who are helping to glamourize her behaviour!

If you'd like to help you can do so by creating your own Anti-Courtney websites, or forums! You also may voice your opinion of Courtney on her website at Hole.com (soapbox, kittyradio) Thanks and Have a Great Day!

obviously, i love the hole and courtney is hott, and i hate all yuo fuckers who diss them, but shot all those who like them!!

(chorus ov groans - sorry, it still makes me laugh)

Since I began opposing Courtney, my reputation.... has been nothing but attacked! It's fine with me though... I'm not running for office..... or trying to put out a new album...

If it makes you "feel" better to regard me as obsessed, I guess it's your right.... but considering I just began opposing Courtney as of this year...I'm not sure WHY you think of it as an obsession? instead of dedication?

Anyone who knows me..... will inform you that I am a college student, who held a 4.0 for 14 months.. (before finally getting a B)- I'm not a Kurt Cobain Fanatic- Nor am I a Courtney Love Fanatic-

I simply stumbled across Hole.com one day, and was appalled at the "young" audience who is registered there, and the "sickness" they are being subjected too-

At hole.com they provide a form for 13yr. olds to fill out so they may also join hole.com- the sick thing is, the board is chock full of pornography! It is full of sick twisted individuals who are influencing children to become sick twisted individuals as well! How can it even be legal? I would really like to speak with some of the parents, of children, who are posting at that message board! I truly believe they under, a misunderstanding about what actually goes on at that place!

I am a grown woman... and that place "grosses" me out!
I've also come across post's from other's who are complaining about the pornography.... explaining that they've suggested their niece should check out the board.... (an 11yr. old) they said they had no idea that she would be subjected to pornography.... (a picture of two men, masturbating each other)

Call it an obsession if you like! But I am merely trying to protect children! With courtney having a child herself it makes me sick she'd allow such things to happen on a message board! You'd think as a "mother"- she would be first inline to advocate for the rights of children!

I am completely in opposition of hole.com- I have been banned from hole.com for speaking the truth, and trying to warn others! Courtney is "trying" to get a teen audience, for her new album- Do really think they are just going to let me hang out there and oppose?

Look I don't give a damn, what ADULTS do! But there is NO way HOLE.com should be accesable by children!

THIS will change...it's only a matter of time- and contacting the appropriate authorities regarding the matter.
If you know who to contact regarding this issue please again (reply at hole.com) thanks

you've been banned because you're an annoying bitch and everyone is bored sick with you. as far as your moral mission goes, try and find an excorcist in the yellow pages and bring him over to hole.com? just an idea.

url plz dom.

This is
LONDON
03/10/03 - News and city section

Courtney Love overdoses
By Robert Jobson, Evening Standard

Courtney Love has been taken to hospital and treated for a reported drugs overdose.

The 39-year-old rock star and actress is understood to have taken the overdose less than an hour after being arrested for smashing windows at a friend's house.

Love, the widow of Nirvana singer Kurt Cobain, had been booked on an allegation of being under the influence of a controlled substance and released on $2,500 bail.

She admitted breaking the glass in a bid to enter the house, Los Angeles police said.

Later Beverly Hills officers and paramedics responded to a call for help at a private residence said to be her home. Love, whose band Hole broke up last year, was found at her home.

"Officers were responding to a call for help that was received about 6.10am," a police spokesman said. "The woman was under the influence of a controlled substance and had overdosed."

She was taken to nearby Century City hospital for treatment.

No details have been released on what treatment Love received or how long she was at the hospital, but she checked out several hours later.

There has been no comment from Love or her manager on the alleged overdose.

Love has previously been taken to Century City Hospital in 1994 after police were called to a Beverly Hills hotel over fears of an overdose. On that occasion she was not charged and shortly afterwards entered a drug rehabilitation centre - but left when she learned that Cobain had committed suicide.

Love has also faced trouble in Britain. She was taken into police custody at Heathrow Airport in early 2002 after a fracas on a Virgin flight from LA. She allegedly attacked and shouted abuse at a Virgin stewardess during the 10-hour flight.

Poor Court. looking forward to her album - early next year?

Actions speak louder than words!

Drug Charges?
At 40.... with a teenage daughter??
and you call "that" a publicity stunt??
LOL-

You know what.. YOUR half right! It was supposed to be a publicity stunt! But it went wrong!
See Courtney isn't the celeb she used to be...
so when the cops showed up... she actually got busted!!

THAT wasn't supposed to happen...

and the OD?? that was because of the arrest that wasn't supposed to happen.. She was supposed to be "old" court bustin' out windows!! Publicity Stunt!

But she's too chicken of a soul to pull off anything without being thoroughly dipped in NARCOTICS first!
So I applaud the "cop" who busted her!
What a "reality" check...
and way to uphold justice!

I'm goin' home. Good night.

on bad/good taste in men: and are we forgetting "falling james" moreland? (leaving trains)

on "who laughing now?": congrats, court...im actually proud of ya.

Address:http://woundedbtrfly.proboards18.com/index.cgi

Here is an AntiCourtney Love Forum for anyone who's interested! If I already posted the address here please forgive me! Thanks!

A pity, that.

Learn how to type like an adult....or at least an adult who isn't Prince.

But anyway. How do you feel about Courtney thinking about acting again, Alex?

And, really, do we really rate her that much as an actress? I'll be impressed when she is cast against type (i.e. when she plays something other than a foul-mouthed junkie, harlot, starfucker, hellcat, etc.)

Sorry, but I can't let this one slide either. She's had NOTHING but help all along (solicited and unsolicited, by way of her ruthlessly ambitious opportunism). And the acquisition of wealth is absolutely no indication of talent whatsoever. By that same standard, you must be a big Shania Twain fan as well. Am I right?

So did you see Letterman? I missed it. I had to go eat.

At 11? I had just gotten into Austin and I was starving.

Pathetic.

I'm sorry, but huh?

Johnny!! Shove your penis in your mouth and shut up!!!

Or is it too small?

Either way, shut up!!

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Alex, it started on ILE. Don't worry about it. Just keep talking trash about Courtney.

It's a lot better than anything Johnny has to say about anything.

umm, it was xxpost.

So, is your daughter going to play guitar and front a band like Courtney?

That might be what my mom is tring to do for me. Or is it in the image of Clint Conly. It's hard to tell. I have a guitar, not a bass. But Clint also plays guitar. We also have a bass, though.

I don't know whoes image it is. I'm left handed. But it can't be Kurt's because my mom isn't crazy about him. Maybe it is. I've got the Fender. Oh, but not the right kind.

As for Xgau this week:
"Her celebrity on steroids and her voice in shreds, a drug-abusing unfit mother charms, fucks, or buffalos her way into some old-fashioned major-label money, commits commercial compromise on demand, and delivers an album as invigorating in its contempt for rock professionalism as Neil Young's Tonight's the Night. If the little girls barely know who she is, good—a lifestyle irresponsibly seductive in a powerful person like Keith Richards is only pitiably misguided in this has-been waiting to happen. But she's right about one thing. The world does owe her a living."

Contempt for rock professionalism? Ummyeah, if polishing and overbearing ProTools is contempt, then I guess so. And since when does the world owe Love a living? Someone explain that one to me.

This vehement hatred of someone who clearly has problems beyond her control is illogical and quite disturbing.

Her album has a couple of great songs, but overall it is unmemorable. What a waste of resources.

"beyond her control"

Like hell

Hey, man, I'm on your side.

Which ones are those? Name a comparable situation to Courtney's.

This bullshit about making excuses because she's a woman or pretending it's not fair because she's a woman are just that--bullshit. Last I checked, she had sole custody of her daughter. I can't think of one man in popular music who's had that at the height of their fame.

Ozzy's gotten plenty of hell for being an idiot, and maybe if Courtney was a bit more stable she'd get a show on MTV--too bad her 24 hour tryout at MTV was such an embarassment though, huh. But last time I checked, Ozzy was still made of money, still tours his ass off, and manages to keep his ass out of jail. The same can't be said of Love.

why is the vehemence reserved for HER when male rockers have been fucking up the lives of themselves, their significant others and their kids, at the height of their careers for years??!!!

On what planet is Courtney the exception to the fucker-up-rocker rule? You just notice because that's where the spotlight is, and it is there because she is female and loud and rude.

Nuff said, tantrum on.

You don't need to list a tabloid summary.

Start off with even one male in the past ten years. And make sure that the person has sole custody of their kid, while you're at it.

You can't.

Were Courtney 25 years old and childless, her behavior would be passable. But that's not the case. Even worse, she's indignant and lacks any shame for her behavior. Instead, her minions, fans, and id head for the press to play the role of victim.

I feel bad for all the artists on Virgin who will suffer as a result of the money being spent to prop up this artist as she gives the one-finger salute to society.

Yes, there is probably at least some element of her lack of motherhood or femininity that causes ire but it's the same element that she has used over and over again to deliberately agitate. Somehow, other women who use alternative ideals of femininity and parenting manage to not get arrested, not act like whores, not go bankrupt, etc. And if male rockers are not being held to task for their behavior, that's suddenly my fault? Sorry, but I just can't think of a male rocker in Courtney's position that is such an irresponsible single parent. None.

And what's next--I'm a bad guy for taking on the misogyny in rap because rappers FAIL TO LIVE UP TO SOME IDEA OF PARENTHOOD? No, the reason, as I've noted, is because Courtney is a shitty parent, and she's the only parent Frances has. Frances never had a choice--she was born to Courtney and Kurt. Courtney has choices that she is currently pissing into the gutter, and worse, she's choosing to do it in a public manner.

I do find it INTERESTING though that you are lambasting her for being an attention seeker while at the same time you seem to be voraciously devouring every little bit of her schtick you can find. But hey I'm sure that's just cuz your really really concerned about poor little Frances Bean.

I'm no big fan of Courtney, but jesus look at the guys in Motley Crue....ask Razzle from Hanoi Rocks....or that kid that drowned in Tommy Lee's pool....or Pam Anderson after she got hit...or the probably hundreds of women Vince Neil has abused....They've done far worse than Courtney...

guttertripe or not she looks mighty fine on the cover of the latest Blender. I'm just sayin

otto...meet Photoshop...Photoshop..otto

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/main.html

And I'm "voraciously devouring" this shit because I linked to an article on the music magazine with the largest circulation in the US? That's a stretch Alex.

Courtney's got so many people snowed over that her victim status is now her calling card. If anyone expects her to be--gasp--responsible for herself and her daughter, we're referred to as a hater or some sort of obsessive that only calls her out on her line of bullshit because she's a female. What a load of self serving shit. I'll never make excuses for having higher expectations of her parental responsibility. Her press cravings would be old news by now if she were 30 years old and single. But she's what, 41?

And yeah, I am concerned about Frances. I'm concerned about Courtney, too. Her lifetime of hedonistic behavior has nearly bankrupt her in every facet of her life, including her daughter. It's a huge tragedy.

1) No male rocker with the negative profile of Love exists. Oh wait they do. Yeah but they got it really bad too. The press raked them over the coals. JUST as bad she did (which is complete garbage, but it's basically unprovable garbage, but you and I and anyone with an ounce of common sense know it's a lie none-the-less.)

2) You aren't voraciously devouring Courtney's all-too-public private life, but you are posting links to magazines, arguing strenously against her lack of suitability as a parent, making generalizations about her "hedonistic behavior" and completely feeding into the myths surrounding her and of course continueing to keep the side show profitable for her, helping keep her name in the news and sell magazines which help sell CDs and so on and so on. And of course you only have a passing familiarity with this, really it was just the ONE link (JUST THE ONE HE SWEARS, HE JUST READ THE ONE.)

So bullshit twice. Anyway I said my piece on Courtney and I'm sick of your lame lame lies.

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/archive/archive/tm_objectid=16444555&method=full&siteid=62484-name_page.html

SONG SALE £70M FOR COURTNEY

ROCK widow Courtney Love will net £70million by selling her late husband Kurt Cobain's songs.

The actress and rock singer is selling a quarter of the Nirvana frontman's back catalogue to disgraced US lifestyle guru Martha Stewart.

Released from jail this year after five months for insider trading, Stewart wants the songs as an investment.

A friend said: "It's an astonishing deal. It sorts out Courtney financially."

Cobain and Courtney, 41, wed in 1992. They had a daughter Frances Bean, now 11, before he killed himself with a gun in April 1994, aged 27.

Cobain rose to fame with songs like Smells Like Teen Spirit and Come As You Are. The album Nevermind sold over 10 million copies.

crack made her good at math

i love this

http://observer.com/2013/04/courtney-loves-e-cig-commercial-relax-its-a-fking-njoy/

<3 awesome

i'm hoping that's what her guest spot on the Fall Out Boy album sounds like too

RELAX IT'S A FUCKING FALL OUT BOY

I don't much keep up with "news" so reviewing some the material up-thread certainly paints a fairly harsh picture (but it would be difficult to argue that money/success did much to change her). "Pretty On The Inside" is the only album i have from her, i still think what she did with that Joni Mitchell cover ("Clouds" tacked onto the end of the title track) seems like about as good a summation of Riot Grrrl/Grunge as i could hope to hear.