Loveless: Classic or Not That Classic

Seriously, can anyone who has both the vinyl original and a cd version bought in the UK within the last year confirm that half the tracks on the cd are intended to sound like a 10th generation cassette copy of an early Ride album - that's got stuck in the tape machine - just before the tape snaps?

I didn't like Loveless until last week, and I had had it for a year. It's a pretty good record, which the Smashing Pumpkins shamelessly cannibalized. But a few too many fluffy major seven chords for me, and only until I read the last thread did I realize that the singer was Kevin Shields. Christ he sounds like a girl. Anyways, I dig, but it's still been massively overhyped.

And there ain't nuthin' wrong with singing like a girl. :-)

Classic or not that classic? Oh, I *hate* it. Can't imagine *ever* liking it!

Unless you're Stuart Murdoch, I assume, Ned?

I've heard some girls say that they like it if boys sing like girls, but they can't abide girls singing like girls. Which makes some kind of sense, in these crazy cross-dressing days of the big sexual crisis. That reminds me, did we ever find out where the hypersexualised environment was?

I've got Loveless on a tape somewhere. Must give it another listen sometime, seeing as it's the best album ever made and all.

Stuart sings like a girl? I always thought he sounded like he was having intestinal difficulties. And I like Belle and Sebastian...

Anyway, this album is one of 'em that got me on the first listen, and I feel like I cannot praise it enough. It captures some of the most hard-to-describe emotions I have, and listening to it in a half-awake state is one of the most interesting sonic experiences of my life. Certain times, it can even make me feel physically ill, but not necessarily in a bad way at all. I get nervous and tense while I'm listening to it, because I know after it's over I'm going to have to go listen to something that I probably don't like quite as much. So yeah, beyond classic.

I'm listening to it on CD and on headphones for the first time. (I've had a cassette for a while, but I never listen to it, and I've always considered it overrated.)

Are you saying you don't have albums like that for yourself? ;-)

I was just listening to this actually!

no, i can't think of one album or even one genre that serves as a kind of organizing principle for my tastes.

Good! Then you might be surprised to find you are not alone.

Meanwhile, things like the The New Record by... and Sunday Sundae Smile EPs are some 378 times better than is widely ackowledged (ie. what Trayce said!), but that debut is pretty messy.

Sleep like a pillow no one there
Where she won't care anywhere
Soft as a pillow touch her there
Where she won't dare somewhere

Sleep like a novel subject and
Think that you grew stronger there
Speak your troubles she's not scared
Soft like there's silk everywhere

Sleep is a pillow come somewhere
Where she won't dare anywhere
Look in the mirror she's not there
Where she won't care somewhere

?

Tiptoe down to the lonely places
Where you going now don't turn around
Little girls in their party dresses
Didn't like anything there

Pretty boys with their sunshine faces
Carrying their heads down
Tiptoe down to the lonely places
Where you going now don't turn around

?

Kiss your fear
Your red button falls from my mouth
Slip your dress over your head
It's been so long

Move on top
Because that way you touch her too
Turn your head come back again
To here knows when

?

Close my eyes
Feel me high
I don't know
But you could not love me now
You'll know
And I feel down to the ground
Over there
And I want to like tomorrow
You can hide
Oh my love, but where to?

Turn my head
Into sound
I don't know
But I lay down on the ground
You will find
And halt and hurt to love
Never cared
And the world turned hearts to love
You will see
Oh darling, on the way I do

You will wait
See me go
I don't care
When your head turned foreigner
You will wait
And I turn my eyes around
Overhead
And I hold you next view
Overhead
To my eyes, on the way I see

Close my eyes
Feel me high
I don't know
But you could not love me now
You'll know
And I feel down to
Over there
And I want to love to view
You can hide
Oh my love, but where to?
You can see or cannot on the way I do

?

Kevin Shields wants to know what love is!

dug out TIYBV and listened to it for probably the third time ever. and possibly the last. but i also dug out E&W and fell in love with it again.

That is throwaway nonsense.

in a recent interview, the interviewer referred to it as something like 'their wannabe birthday party' record and kevin shields seemed to agree w/ that. it was the interview on buddyhead.com. i can hear the cramps in it, also. they had a different singer named dave conway back then...have to say that i'm not a big fan of his vocal style.

Well, it just seems a bit thin and a bit of a drag in the middle now. It's entirely possible I heard it too many times half a lifetime ago.

As I posted over on the Japancakes thread, this is forthcoming:

JAPANCAKES - Loveless CD (Darla: DRL188: 708527018828) $12.00

EXCLUSIVE. Athens, GA's experimental, instrumental, Americana group, Japancakes cover My Bloody Valentine's classic Loveless record from start to finish with pedal steel and cello in place of vocal and lead melodies -- and without any distortion. MBV’s Loveless (Creation: 1991) remains the defining record of the genre and completely unparalleled by any artist since. This is super fun! Japancakes don't record together like other bands. They do play together but when they record in studio they do so one at a time. Each player writes their own part and adds it to the part(s) recorded previously by fellow band members. The result of this practice is that the personality of each individual player is often better captured. Each player's individual performance is strengthened by the technique. Japancakes is Eric Berg, rhythm guitar, Nick Belli, bass, Brant Rackey, drums, John Neff, pedal steel, Heather McIntosh, cello, Andy Barker, production.

And turns out there's a brief mp3 clip up for "Only Shallow," so there ya go.

I wonder where skot got those lyrics from? Most MBV lyric attempts I've seen are riddled with gaps and ??? here and there and never quite seem like theyre right (similarly cocteaus lyric fansites).

Hey that Japancakes stuff is really good! I was sad there is no singing on it though :( But its beautifully done.

no singing on it?

Right, let's get a copy and let's get some singahs!

Well "Only Shallow"'s vocal melody is there but played by a cello.

classic. not dud.

can't we just combine all the MBV threads into one thread and then make it its own board?

oh hay look japancakes are going to do a thing.

i bought a big muff and now im going to make my guitar glow

I heard Loveless after hearing m83 and fennesz, who are often referenced as influenced by and aesthetically similar, but it's not even about the thick noisy sound to me. It has a character I can't place, that's probably what I love about it.

is there much diff about the second disc of the remastered edition?

Just how important is this album, in terms of wider cultural effect? Does the average man in the street know about this in the way that he might know about Dark Side Of The Moon or OK Computer? How many copies did it sell?

Basically, what I mean is, does anyone other than indie geeks give a shit about the remaster / reformation?

Does the average man in the street know about this in the way that he might know about Dark Side Of The Moon or OK Computer?

No.

I don't think MBV as a name has that much 'presence' outside indie geeks. Pretty sure that at the 9 gigs there'll be more fans going to more than one gig (and a lot of them will only be travelling because they thought they couldn't get tickets to their nearest gig, as discussed on the 'return of mbv' thread) rather than people who are just curious as to what it'll be like. Maybe after the festival gigs it'll open up to people who hadn't heard of them before, but then again they're playing Bestival.

it'd be interesting to know how many copies they sold as against, say, the strokes' debut. the idea of someone buying that today wwould be kinda o_O but MBV have never not been cred.

When I told people at work I was going to see MBV this week they thought I meant Bullet For My Valentine, these are mostly people who listen to corporate indie/nu-metal/emo stuff so you'd think they'd at least be aware of them, but only one guy even knew who they were.

Interestingly enough, I listened to The Stokes' debut at the weekend and it was fucking great.

never liked it

There's a right time/right place element to Loveless; it crowned a genre critics treated cruelly, and which had performed terribly as full-lengths go. If "Soon" weren't rushed out on Glider, and saved for a lead single, Loveless would have crossed-over more. But even then I think you're talking about Pills n' Thrills / The Stone Roses levels of (market) success.

Loveless is one of pop music's Fabergé eggs. Fawned over, fondled, breathtakingly beautiful - even to casual observers - but essentially useless, and therefore easily forgotten by most. It is adored and worshiped by an exclusive, blindly devoted class who would miss a meal to behold it one more time.

Does the average man in the street know about this in the way that he might know about Dark Side Of The Moon or OK Computer?

Absolutely not.

i think 'pills and thrills' did ok, sales-wise. the singles were hits.

I think The Stone Roses might have sold a few copies as well.

Just saying those are better reference points for what it could have done in a best-case scenario than Dark Side of the Moon (Jesus) or OK Computer.

it's more like husker du, pixies, all that stuff that got as big as it could get, but could not have got any bigger. there wasn't anything to stop the stone roses or happy mondays (except themselves, their labels, etc) whereas i don't think mbv could ever have been a success.

That's it, banri.

UK Top Ten Best Selling Albums Of 1991:
1 Simply Red Stars
2 Eurythmics Greatest Hits
3 Queen Greatest Hits II
4 Michael Jackson Dangerous
5 Tina Turner Simply The Best
6 R.E.M. Out Of Time
7 Michael Bolton Time Love And Tenderness
8 Madonna The Immaculate Collection
9 Paul Young From Time To Time - The Singles Collection
10 Cher Love Hurts

If "Soon" weren't rushed out on Glider

"Rushed out" - ha ha. It was already 18 months since they'd released anything at that point, so Glider seemed terribly late. Of course they redefined "hiatus" after Loveless but, at the time, in the week-by-week scrutiny of the inkies, not to release anything during 1989 seemed a hell of a long break.

The general thing here is "quality not quantity" and exponential sales curves and associated gradual influence of records with cult followings rather than the passing fancies of the day. It'll go platinum circa 2021, I reckon.

MBV are really just the Irish Daniel Johnston

Except they're not, are they?

wait, what's ok computer?

it's more like husker du, pixies, all that stuff that got as big as it could get, but could not have got any bigger.

you mean before the 2004-05 Pixies reunion tour?

Not even every indie geek likes them. Ned aside I don't think I've ever met anyone who really cares about them.

...we obviously haven't met.

Here in the U.S., I'm not sure I've met a single casual music fan (has 200 CDs or fewer, buys 10 or so a year) who has even heard of them. Comparing them to Pink Floyd, come on.

Er, I consider myself a "serious" music fan and I don't think I EVEN own 200 CDs. The total number of albums I have owned, including CDs mp3 downloads, vinyl, and cassettes, is possibly even less than 200. Then again, I'm young, in college, and penniless, etc.

Loveless is pretty good, BTW

Boringly obvious. It's a fucking classic. And so was' Isn't anything'

I'm a tea drinking Britisher who loves mainly septic music but this crazy gang have never been surpassed by any US offerings. Swirlies, Lilys tried. Decent efforts but no cigar.

Sorry I'm still stuck in '88.

Come on Spain.

a i didt even care about this record when it came out, it was all about ride back then for me

Hi Alan!

Here in the U.S., I'm not sure I've met a single casual music fan (has 200 CDs or fewer, buys 10 or so a year) who has even heard of them. Comparing them to Pink Floyd, come on.

-- Mark Rich@rdson, Sunday, June 29, 2008 4:15 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Link

^^^so true

It's like, "Is "Treasure" regarded as a classic up there with "Appetite for Destruction"?" or something

Classic, but not THAT classic. I like a lot of Shoegaze better TBH. I remember listening to it for the first time and saying wow! When I finally bought it I thought "it's alright". Unfortunately I can't listen to it now without thinking of Smashing Pumpkins.

the best part is the sample of James MacMillan's Brittania between "What You Want" and "Soon"

Happy twentieth birthday!

Remember Remember the 5th of November.

Gunpowder treason and drone

if you put a comma between those first two you get a Manic's album title.

Anyway, the Japanese tribute album Yellow Loveless is out. And yeah I already had things to say about Boris's 'Sometimes.'

after reading this and the Joy Division: Classic or Dud thread, I think this board is not for me.

Japancakes cover album is brilliant. It really illuminates the structure of the music

whenever someone says "I prefer other Shoegaze" I just have to shake my head. Loveless is no more shoegaze than Pet Sounds is doo wop. it transcends the genre and attains a completely unique status. it's a work of art, you know. I just feel the need to draw a distinction between a "band" who plays "shoegaze rock" and My Bloody Valentine, which is a carefully considered and labored "work of art"

do jo swells

I write that fully aware of those lurking bastards who will come out of the dark for a quick jab at the newcomer: "look at this clown calling something a 'work of art.' how pretentious!" I don't care, I stand by it, the signification and all that bullshit that comes creeping out of the word "art" - thought, weighed, considered, constructed. work. solidified. elevated. I don't even know what I'm saying.

I can always profess my love for Loveless. it's a mystifying piece of music. sure, there are other "spiritual" albums that can take you to a different plane of consciousness or dream reality. I know that, it's just that Loveless, beyond that aspect, also performs on many other levels. it's a great pop record, it's a marvelous production, it's a drone album, it's experimental (Rhys Chatham style drone), it's inspired by Indian mantras and Buddhist cosmic realms (in my opinion). It's noisier than Brainbombs or Swans. It's louder and more abstract and furious than some free jazz. All while being delicate, loving, and soft. Open, composed. I mean, Slowdive and all those bands totally miss that aspect. And it's not surprising.

As much as we want music to all just be "rock" and "bands," I don't think it should instantly be considered "pretentious" to say some things are a little more meaningful (to us as individuals, at least). For me, Ride wrote some pretty beautiful music. But musically, the drone aspects and chord changes of MBV, and the production, turn it into a unique artifact that will never, ever be replicated. It's the sound of the stars, or something. Maybe I am an idiot, well, actually I am, we all are. I just feel this way.

I write that fully aware of those lurking bastards who will come out of the dark for a quick jab at the newcomer: "look at this clown calling something a 'work of art.' how pretentious!" I don't care, I stand by it

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d8/Tianasquare.jpg/300px-Tianasquare.jpg

it's okay to love music bro

Yellow Loveless (full LP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbf8h3sykiw

I always liked "Isn't Anything" better. I thought I was alone.
Thanks, ILX, for being the support group I need in trying times.

That's a great cover of When You Sleep.

WATER TOWER FRONT MAN, KENNY FEINSTEIN RELEASES DEBUT SOLO ALBUM, LOVELESS: HURTS TO LOVE, A RE-MAKE OF THE CLASSIC MY BLOODY VALENTINE ALBUM, LOVELESS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sfGEXhvY-8

Front man for Portland, Oregon-based roots-bluegrass-punk outfit, Water Tower, Kenny Feinstein will release his debut solo album, Loveless: Hurts To Love, a tribute to My Bloody Valentine, on Portland, Oregon-based Fluff & Gravy Records September 17, 2013. The record, which contains all eleven tracks from the My Bloody Valentine classic, plus the track "Swallow" from their 1991 Tremolo EP, released nine months prior to Loveless on Creation Records, finds Feinstein paying homage to his favorite record, while not just covering it, but re-creating it with acoustic guitar, mandolin, dobro, fiddle, and dulcimer.

This sounds horrible! Fuck that dude.

And it should be noted that Japancakes got there first

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000UTOQPG

the two songs I've played so far sound like someone fundamentally misunderstanding This Mortal Coil

don't cover me, dobro

Jesus that is comically bad. If it's a pisstake, hats off indeed.

http://blurtonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Kenny-Feinstein.jpg

listened to this album recently... it kinda doesn't hold up. sounds bad now. i remember when it sounded good to me.

actually it's good

I really love the 30-second whale song thing, "To Here Knows When", and "Blown a Wish". I wish the rest of the album sounded like those songs but they all try to rock too hard. I like my shoegazer music to be more slow and druggy, that's why I prefer Slowdive to MBV myself.

i am starting to like mbv almost as much as loveless. "in another way" is better than anything off loveless.

http://devonrecordclub.com/2015/01/16/my-bloody-valentine-loveless-round-77-nicks-choice/

i am starting to like mbv almost as much as loveless. "in another way" is better than anything off loveless.
the 1st sentence is otm. but then i'd say "only tomorrow" is the best song they have ever done.

Classic, of course.

What never seems to get mentioned about Loveless is that the songs themselves are actually incredibly well-written.

wouldnt go that far. sometimes theyre just written well enough (thinking of "come in alone" here, probably my least favorite track on the album and where the album loses momentum for me).

(love this album to death, but that song doesnt hold up well just on its own)

happy birthday!

Where were YOU 25 years ago?

In some pub in Luxembourg. Probably the English Pub in the Grund. When Glider came out the year before, they often played "Soon" in the Blitz in the centre. People were dancing on the window sills.

Did I get "Bandwagonesque" that same day? I think I did... Good day, that.

Bought the cassette at Rebel Rebel (RIP) on Bleecker St., NYC. Drove around with a friend blasting it. Thought my tape was warped lol.

i discovered this mid-late-90s on allmusic and bought it the same day at Media Play. that album cover is just too cool to pass up.

still holds up imo, and i have yet to hear a shoegaze record this good and this surprising. MBV comes really really close though...

One of the absolute best albums.

Drums still sound like shit. I could tell they were triggered/sample-replaced and probably spliced up to the point you're not really hearing a human performance even before I read something that confirmed my suspicions

Team Isn't Anything.

dunno why anyone would put on MBV and expect to hear Parquet Courts

I stopped by HMV on the way to work where I played the CD several times on a new-fangled device we were testing called a CD-ROM drive.

<3 this album so much. very important to me

Bought it at Kim's Underground. Brought it home. Wondered what all the fuss was about. Still do. Nice album, shouldn't have changed the world. I'm pretty sure I bought a few other CDs that day that I liked better.

classic

Inoffensive but just a bit shit, really.

Ok, yeah, Trompe Le Monde, Laughing Stock, Bandwagonesque, Yourself Is Steam, She Hangs Brightly, Perfect Sound Forever, Sebadoh III, White Light From The Mouth of Infinity, Distant Plastic Trees, Real Ramona, Eye (from the year before), Blake Babies (from the year before) all seemed more important at the time. And. Still. Do.

i was in the midst of battling a crippling depression and this record was like a warm cozy blanket i could retreat to. it's still amazing how they managed to make a wall of freaky guitars sound so welcoming.

beautiful guitar sounds

compositions themselves are a little lacking

a few good tracks

7/10 for effort

saying the drums suck on this or these songs actually aren't very good songs seems like entirely missing the point.

I don't think this is a popular choice, but "Loomer" has always been my favourite on this album. One of the simplest tracks and totally perfect.

saying the drums suck on this or these songs actually aren't very good songs seems like entirely missing the point.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, November 4, 2016 11:00 AM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the drum thing is especially stupid because the only time they're high enough in the mix to discern their "suckiness" or whatever is in the first 3 seconds of the first track

beautiful guitar sounds

compositions themselves are a little lacking

a few good tracks

7/10 for effort

honestly years ago I had the same effusive opinions as everybody else but these days this'd be about 2/3 of my opinion. I think all the tracks are at least pretty good and would still give it a 9 because the overall effect remains a great listen and if any given track comes up on the radio it's always welcome -- and, honestly, I think this is a hidden feature of this album. its songs, if heard in another context, always leap out: "now that's something different." the only way it might be otherwise if if your mix/show was entirely people/bands who'd been influenced by this album.

but I think it's fair to say that the actual songwriting is the weak point here and "well, the lyrics aren't the point" is always a cop-out when lyrics aren't on the level of the rest. like, yeah the lyrics aren't the point, but there's a whole lot of music out there that goes the extra mile and throws in some good lyrics ~whether they're the point or not~

yeah it's almost analogous to the straw thrown by people who rail against audiophile pressings and stuff... it's not like "everything that doesn't go the extra mile is bad", it's "stuff that goes the extra mile is good"

In an interview with The Quietus prior to MBV's release, Shields said the album was "not going to sound like Loveless where it's like looking into another world ... more like Isn't Anything, where it seems to be of this world, but with one foot in another world ... the songs on Loveless had more in common with folk-blues music to me, just a verse and an instrumental passage, circular" and described the new material as "more elongated" and "raw." The Beach Boys' unfinished album Smile was an influence on the composition. According to Shields, he "wanted to see what would happen if I worked in a more impressionistic way, so that it only comes together at the end." He later expanded on his comments, stating that he was "purposefully not trying to write songs with a beginning, middle, and end."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBV_(album)

See, I don't know that better lyrics would make this album better. I think it's an important feature of this album that the lyrics don't draw attention to themselves. You can't always make them out, and the ones you can make out have a kind of hazy generality. There's never any lyric that stops your attention. I feel like that's part of what makes everything flow together.

the lyrics are there for the sounds alone imo. i don't think i learned a single lyric until needed to learn the keyboard part to "When You Sleep" for a house show. the vocals being so whispery and abstract was a huge deal.

"Loomer" so great!

not Wall of Sound, Mash Potatoes of Sound.

the lyrics to this album have never bothered me because i've never been able to understand almost any of them

I've got a confession to make, I've never heard this album. FP me now.

All time best records/songs/lyrics you've never heard

the lyrics to this album have never bothered me because i've never been able to understand almost any of them

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, November 4, 2016 12:32 PM (forty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

right, my argument isn't that we should dock this album points for not having great lyrics, it's that great lyrics are a bonus because the vast majority of lyrics are shit

lyrics in general i mean, w/r/t to my second clause there

ymmv, i suck deal with it caveat etc

What is the best shoegaze band for lyrics, anyway?

it's a good album and there are v transcendently beautiful and affecting moments on it but for me personally it is not particularly classic or essential

i have no idea what the lyrics are on this album. a great album, i don't reach for it very often anymore, partly because my wife thinks it's shit. and i saw them when they did their reunion uk tour and they were the sloppiest band I've ever seen and it was garbage

- I don't know what any of the lyrics are on this album, and I've really never cared.

- Even with this, and the albums sonic qualities in mind, I think the songwriting is actually quite strong and loaded with hooks.

- The drumming is noticeably sampled throughout the record.

- My original CD version is one of the quietest CD's I own!

What is the best shoegaze band for lyrics, anyway?

― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Friday, November 4, 2016 9:25 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Slowdive.

Verve, probably.

What is the best shoegaze band for lyrics, anyway?

Its like saying "Van Gogh's Sunflowers would be better with words"

(Like 'for Amy' heh..)

Cocteau Twins otm except despite having loved them hard for 20 odd years now they never once struck me as being 'shoegaze'...?

ya if anything they're kind of like proto-shoegazey but that's stretching it

maybe dreampop or something?

I think the only shoegaze lyric I've *ever* registered was that Ride line after they weren't shoegaze anymore about the underfed girls, which is a great line.

I never had a problem w/MBV's lyrics or drums or anything. Just this nagging feeling that the album wasn't quite as revolutionary as it was made out to be, which isn't to say that I don't like it, etc. The songwriting on the previous album was more interesting, and I've always wished they'd figured out some way to incorporate that into the latter's sound. But they didn't, so whatever.

We don't get music nerdy so much anymore, but they did this thing with major 2nd intervals that did/didn't resolve that was really interesting in the context of pop songs all fuzzed up.

Shoegaze is to dream pop what funk is to soul.

...

In that shoegaze is an extension of dream pop in which some of dream pop's elements are further emphasised, like funk is a variation on soul with some of its elements further emphasised.

i guess i see funk and soul as two "branches" off of "r&b"

shoegaze more like dream pop + noisy indie rock

i don't know what i'm talking about, though

ha

ya the world of categorizing music

basically though i never thought of cocteau twins in the same style as mbv, specifically because of mbv's noisier aspect

but then again i can see cocteau twins and slowdive being compared so who knows

My view of this is based 100% on the guitar magazine article I read when I was 13 that introduced me to the concept: "dream pop" and "shoegaze" are synonyms.

And both terms refer to a psychedelic aesthetic where vocals are buried under a barrage of processed guitar sounds, extending the sonic experimentation of early Pink Floyd and Jimi Hendrix. I dunno wtf the Cocteau Twins have to do with this.

Actually, I have never heard anyone say "dream pop" irl.

I want to find that article. It made the music sound so amazing. Loveless is great but I don't know if it ever fully lived up to what I imagined when I read it.

I'm Only Sleeping

When I discovered MBV in the early 90s at the radio show their music was referred to as noisy rock or like Dinosaur Jr. or even Yo La Tengo at the time. I always found the term shoegazing a bit silly as it does not really describe the music.

Radio show of Bernard Lenoir on France Inter...

Shoegazing doesn't describe music at all, it describes looking down at pedals. That's not to say it isn't a daft term.

I always thought AR Kane or Simon Reynolds writing about AR Kane came up with the term "Dreampop". And AR Kane were doing shoegaze before MBV as well if I'm not mistaken.

damn, i totally thought dreampop = cocteau twins and cranes

research into Ethereal Goth and Dreampop (and other stuff for fans of early 4AD and Projekt)

possibly but i don't think simon had pump up the volume in mind when he came up with it?

more of the cocteau twins sound

Ha, I never knew A. R. Kane was part of M/A/R/R/S.

possibly but i don't think simon had pump up the volume in mind when he came up with it?

more of the cocteau twins sound

probably means the when you're sad/so far away 12"

Lol yeah I wasn't referring to their M/A/R/R/S stuff.

I'm on an MBV kick thanks to this thread.

"Off Your Face" is amaaazing

The only thing bad I can say about *Loveless* is I know of no other album that's harmed as much by mp3 compression. This one really, really requires FLAC to breathe.

Just this nagging feeling that the album wasn't quite as revolutionary as it was made out to be

This is still one of my favorite albums, but i remember at the time thinking that Glider was the totally revolutionary release. I don't just recall where i was when I first heard "Soon" on the EP, but I can recall the entire experience. Loveless was perfect, and it would have been more revolutionary had it appeared first.

If there's any what-if about the album, it's how the album would have sounded had Colm performed more "live" drums on the songs as opposed to his parts being sequenced. Some of the songs might have benefitted from more emotional drumming.

yeah he was the secret weapon each time i've seen them

"Off Your Face" is

yep, brilliant song

https://pitchfork.com/features/interview/my-bloody-valentines-kevin-shields-dissects-his-new-loveless-vinyl-remaster-talks-new-album/
Talking to the 54-year-old about Loveless is fascinating because it’s clear that the record is, for him, very much a living thing that exists in the present.
...
Are you working on a new My Bloody Valentine album now?

We started recording it a year ago
...
So you’d like to have it out next year?

Oh, we one hundred percent will.

m b v is the best thing they've ever done. I want to believe the next one will top it.

When it comes to technical stuff Kevin has this way of saying things that sound like they might be bs but are actually entirely the case.

Obviously this principal does not necessarily apply to release schedules.

Though you could have made this new vinyl version a 2xLP set, putting less information on each side and improving the overall quality, you decided to do a single disc. Why?

I wanted it to actually be played the way it was originally conceived, which is basically an A and B side: Loveless is like a mirror image of itself on each side. It works as a continuous thing. That’s where I got a little nuts, but it was one of the things that I got right (initially). The obvious thing to do in this day and age would be to cut it onto two vinyls. That’s something I will do someday, just for the pure sound quality. But from the perspective of listening to it, I didn’t want that to be the only version that people had access to, because it just breaks it up. There are compromises.

very cool

https://d1rgjmn2wmqeif.cloudfront.net/r/l/254190-1.png

The official Shirt.

£144

Made without love

I'd buy that

Got a notification that my records had "shipped" but it was only the label being created and it's not at the post office yet, been like a week

Same here!! I keep checking tracking and USPS is still waiting for it (label created and that's it).

Shipping Label Created, USPS Awaiting Item
October 25, 2021 at 8:29 pm
YPSILANTI, MI 48198

2 weeks

aw bummer, i got my deluxe loveless last week

xpost - well i guess it's somewhat comforting that it's not just me but seriously they've had my money for a long time now it's annoying

30 years of Loveless. i still can't help but wonder how big MBV could have gotten if someone (such as myself) had delivered them a "radio ready" mix and master

are you ready to take your career to the next level and want your mixes to stand up today's pop hits? contact me today pic.twitter.com/aAmMQonJq1

— collin (@spiketvviewer) November 4, 2021

"margaritaville millennial"

sure thing, jerkass.

Uncertain as to whether that's very well pitched niche satire or... well, lols either way.

loveless (magaritaville remaster)

kevin shields:

"collin never had any hand in mastering the album. i remember him making margaritas at some point, and he had these weird ideas about making the album radio friendly, whatever that was supposed to mean, so we completely ignored him, other than the margaritas, which were also not very good".

Going to guess some kevin shields bass would knock that stupid stuff off the top of his eoeakers

Speakers, argh

Margueritas not included.... Oh wait! (on the right)