Monday arguments over dull lists and why ilxors hate them - Uncut Magazine Top 200 Albums of all time

Uncut Top 200 Albums of all time
1. The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds - 1966
2. The Beatles - Revolver - 1966
3. Van Morrison - Astral Weeks - 1968
4. The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico - 1967
5. The Beatles - The Beatles (White Album) - 1968
6. Love - Forever Changes - 1967
7. Bob Dylan - Blond On Blond - 1966
8. The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead - 1986
9. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited - 1965
10. Television - Marquee Moon - 1977
11. David Bowie - Hunky Dory - 1971
12. David Bowie - Ziggy Stardust - 1972
13. Marvin Gaye - What's Going On - 1971
14. Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue - 1959
15. The Beatles - Rubber Soul - 1965
16. The Rolling Stones - Exile On Main Street - 1972
17. The Band - The Band - 1969
18. Bob Dylan - Blood On The Tracks - 1975
19. David Bowie - Low - 1977
20. Kraftwerk - Trans Europe Express - 1977
21. The Beatles - Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band - 1967
22. Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back - 1988
23. The Clash - London Calling - 1979
24. The Beatles - Abbey Road - 1969
25. Kate Bush - Hounds Of Love - 1985
26. The Clash - The Clash - 1977
27. The Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers - 1971
28. The Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed - 1969
29. Jimi Hendrix Experience - Are You Experienced - 1967
30. David Bowie - Stationtostation - 1976
31. Lou Reed - Transformer - 1972
32. Neil Young - After The Goldrush - 1970
33. Joni Mitchell - Blue - 1971
34. Neil Young - On The Beach - 1974
35. John Coltrane - A Love Supreme - 1965
36. Joy Division - Closer - 1980
37. The Kinks - The Kinks Are The Village Green Society - 1968
38. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless - 1991
39. Bob Dylan - Bringing It All Back Home - 1965
40. Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom - 1974
41. Otis Redding - Otis Blue - 1965
42. Jimi Hendrix Experience - Electric Ladyland - 1968
43. The Stooges - Fun House - 1970
44. Sly And The Family Stone - There's A Riot Going On - 1971
45. R.E.M. - Murmer - 1983
46. Michael Jackson - Off The Wall - 1979
47. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin (Iv) - 1971
48. Fairport Convention - Liege & Lief - 1969
49. Stevie Wonder - Songs In The Key Of Life - 1976
50. Nick Drake - Bryter Later - 1971
51. Carole King - Tapestry - 1971
52. The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground - 1969
53. Big Star - Third/Sister Lovers - 1978
54. The Velvet Underground - Loaded - 1970
55. Sex Pistols - Never Mind The Bollocks… - 1977
56. The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses - 1989
57. Pink Floyd - Piper At The Gates Of Dawn - 1967
58. Blondie - Parallel Lines - 1978
59. Prince - Sign O The Times - 1987
60. Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures - 1979
61. Primal Scream - Screamadalica - 1991
62. The Byrds - The Notorious Byrd Brothers - 1968
63. Fleetwood Mac - Rumours - 1977
64. David Crosby - If Only I Could Remember My Name - 1971
65. Orange Juice - You Can’t Hide Your Love Forever - 1982
66. The Band - Music From Big Pink - 1968
67. Stevie Wonder - Innervisions - 1973
68. James Brown - Live At The Apollo - 1963
69. New Order - Technique - 1989
70. Patti Smith - Horses - 1975
71. Joni Mitchell - Hejira - 1976
72. LCD Sound System - Sound Of Silver - 2007
73. The Cure - Disintergration - 1989
74. Public Image Limited - Metal Box - 1979
75. Can - Ege Bamyasi - 1972
76. John Martyn - Solid Air - 1973
77. Steely Dan - Countdown To Ecstasy - 1973
78. The Byrds - Younger Than Yesterday - 1967
79. Gillian Welch - Time (The Revelator) - 2001
80. The Velvet Underground - White Light/White Heat - 1968
81. Radiohead - In Rainbows - 2007
82. The Who - Who's Next - 1971
83. Bob Dylan - The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan - 1963
84. Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon - 1973
85. Jimi Hendrix - Axix: Bold As Love - 1967
86. Todd Rundgren - A Wizard, A True Star - 1973
87. Joni Mitchell - The Hissing Of Summer Lawns - 1975
88. Can - Tago Mago - 1971
89. Big Star - No1 Record - 1972
90. The Cure - Head On The Door - 1985
91. Neil Young - Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere - 1969
92. Dusty Springfield - Dusty In Memphis - 1969
93. Radiohead - Ok Computer - 1997
94. U2 - Achtung Baby - 1991
95. The Flying Burrito Brothers - The Guided Palace Of Sin - 1969
96. Bruce Springsteen - Born To Run - 1975
97. The Cure - Pornography - 1982
98. The Incredible String Band - The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter - 1968
99. John Cale - Paris 1919 - 1973
100. Laura Nyro - Eli & The Thirteenth Confession - 1968
101. Radiohead - Kid A - 2000
102. Serge Gainsbourg - Histoire De Melody Nelson - 1971
103. Pulp - This Is Hardcore - 1998
104. Johnny Cash - At Falsom Prison - 1968
105. David Bowie - Diamond Dogs - 1974
106. Talking Heads - Remain In Light - 1980
107. Spiritualized - Ladies & Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space - 1997
108. Talk Talk - Sprit Of Eden - 1988
109. The Only Ones - The Only Ones - 1978
110. The Congos - Heart Of The Congo’s - 1977
111. Joni Mitchell - Court & Spark - 1974
112. New Order - Power Corruption & Lies - 1983
113. The Slits - Cut - 1979
114. David Bowie - "Heroes" - 1977
115. Tom Waits - Rain Dogs - 1985
116. The Rolling Stones - Beggars Banquet - 1968
117. The Specials - The Specials - 1979
118. Suicide - Suicide - 1977
119. Miles Davis - Bitches Brew - 1970
120. Big Star - Radio City - 1974
121. Can - Future Days - 1973
122. Prince - Parade - 1986
123. Steely Dan - Can't Buy A Thrill - 1972
124. Nirvana - In Utero - 1993
125. Elvis Costello - My Aim Is True - 1977
126. Nick Drake - Pink Moon - 1972
127. Chic - C'est Chic - 1978
128. The Byrds - Sweetheart Of The Rodeo - 1968
129. Curtis Mayfield - Curtis - 1970
130. Syd Barrett - The Madcap Laughs - 1970
131. The Isley Brothers - 3+3 - 1973
132. The Human League - Dare! - 1981
133. The Who - Live At Leeds - 1970
134. Bruce Springsteen - Darkness On The Edge Of Town - 1978
135. The Beach Boys - Surfs Up - 1971
136. Ramones - Ramones - 1976
137. Ac/Dc - Back In Black - 1980
138. Van Morrison - Moondance - 1970
139. Gang Of Four - Entertainment! - 1979
140. The Beastie Boys - Check Your Head - 1992
141. Portishead - Dummy - 1994
142. Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation - 1988
143. Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band - Safe As Milk - 1967
144. Cocteau Twins - Heaven Or Las Vegas - 1990
145. Blur - Modern Life Is Rubbish - 1993
146. Pixies - Doolittle - 1989
147. Jeff Buckley - Grace - 1994
148. Miles Davis - In A Silent Way - 1969
149. The Beatles - A Hard Day’s Night - 1964
150. Massive Attack - Blue Lines - 1991
151. Daft Punk - Discovery - 2001
152. Aretha Franklin - Lady Soul - 1968
153. Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti - 1975
154. The Associates - Sulk - 1982
155. Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds - The Boatman’s Call - 1997
156. Tricky - Maxinquaye - 1995
157. Bjork - Debut - 1993
158. The Fall - The Nation's Saving Grace - 1984
159. Leonard Cohen - Songs Of Love And Hate - 1971
160. The Wu-Tang Clan - Enter The Wu-Tang: 36 Chambers - 1993
161. Tom Waits - Swardfishtrumbone - 1983
162. PJ Harvey - Rid Of Me - 1993
163. Neil Young - Tonight's The Night - 1975
164. The Cure - Seventeen Seconds - 1980
165. Brian Eno - Here Come The Warm Jets - 1974
166. GZA - Liquid Swords - 1995
167. Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works 85-92 - 1992
168. The Smiths - Strangeways Here We Come - 1987
169. T.Rex - Electric Warrior - 1971
170. Laura Nyro - New York Tendaberry - 1969
171. Prince - Purple Rain - 1984
172. Oasis - (What's The Story) Morning Glory? - 1995
173. John Lennon - John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band - 1970
174. Roxy Music - For Your Pleasure - 1973
175. My Bloody Valentine - Isn't Anything - 1988
176. Neil Young - Harvest - 1972
177. Super Furry Animals - Radiator - 1997
178. Black Sabbath - Paranoid - 1970
179. The Who - Tommy - 1969
180. Michael Jackson - Thriller - 1982
181. The Replacements - Tim - 1985
182. Amy Winehouse - Back To Black - 2006
183. Nick Drake - Five Leaves Left - 1969
184. Kraftwerk - The Man-Machine - 1978
185. David Bowie - The Man Who Saved The World - 1970
186. Charles Mingus - The Black Saint And The Sinner Lady - 1963
187. Donald Fagen - The Nightfly - 1982
188. Talking Heads - Fear Of Music - 1979
189. The Smiths - The Smiths - 1984
190. Prefab Sprout - Steve McQueen - 1985
191. The Who - The Who Sell Out - 1967
192. Gene Clarke - No Other - 1974
193. Johnny Cash - American Iv: The Man Comes Around - 2002
194. Joanna Newsom - Ys - 2006
195. T.Rex - The Slider - 1972
196. The Fall - Hex Enducation Hour - 1982
197. Todd Rundgren - Something/Anything? - 1972
198. Mercury Rev - Deserters Songs - 1998
199. Dr John: The Night Tripper - Gris-Gris - 1968
200. Elvis Costello - Imperial Bedroom - 1982

200. Elvis Costello - Imperial Bedroom - 1982 ?????

from the February 2016 (current) issue
http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/Uncut_P2.htm#Great_albums_2016

i copied it from there mark. fixed the bog star and neil yong typos

Seems like a pretty good list to me, I would probably swap #1 and #2 round but not much argument with the top 20 at least.

Ah no, I was doing apoplexy at the EC pick.

If I was going to pick best typo, "Blond on Blond", but that was in the original too..

Lists are not aimed at music nerds like on ilx. They are useful when starting out and just discovering music and you may get into one or two of the more obscure acts and develop your own way. No one will ever agree on a list. None of these albums are bad (ok i hate lcd soundsytem) but the list is obviously dull white male middlebrow aimed at exactly those types who read uncut.
Its no less predictable really than a best post punk, best rap, best metal, best techno specialist list really.

wish there was more than just tokenism for certain genres though. But you wont get that from uncut.
I dont know if its a writers or readers poll.

Mark that is interesting because lists can be a bit better if they dont have the obvious pick for an artist yet if you dont pick the obvious one people complain too.

As I say, it's not a serious.

By all means, pick "Imperial Bed", or "Safe as Milky" or "Kinda Blue"..

My opinion, for what it's worth, is "a page, well written, about one album is worth a hundred lists", with regard to discovering music, newbie or nerd..

200 Greatest Albums (Mostly) Not Made By Black People EVAR

or women

Moe Tucker at number 4.

I always suspected Nico was a man.

Nico McBrain

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TSGiZQHXfdI/hqdefault.jpg

They couldn't even pick the right Laura Nyro album.

Some decent albums there but CTRL F Bolt Thrower War Master doesn't seem to be working on my laptop for some reason.

Oh sorry my mistake, there it is after What's Going On.

lack of pfunk is the bit i dislike. especially when new order are in there

Interesting picks, although it seems like it must have been an editorial decision to leave out Nevermind.

I think I read this list in, like, 1997.

Plenty of subtle shifts that indicate critics have grown a bit tired of certain longtime critical faves (Troutmask, After The Gold Rush, The Bends, Nevermind) and other albums that didn't make these lists in previous decades showing up (Diamond Dogs, On The Beach, Rock Bottom, Parallel Lines, Liege & Leaf, The Only Ones, Paris 1919, Suicide, Sulk, Radiator).

UK critics lists have always been a bit different to US ones though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYBlfpCVHBo

greatest album of all time or random easy listening instrumental?

Yeah, I'm comparing to other British lists that I've followed for several decades.

i thought they were usually more or less the same every time

which i suppose is your point since a few different albums replaced others

^ It is interesting to see the subtle trends over the years. If I had to guess without looking where OK Computer would rank, I'd guess top five. Surprised to see it ranked 93rd.

Although only five albums in the top fifty were released after the seventies....

If I was going to pick best typo, "Blond on Blond", but that was in the original too..

I nominate "The Guided Palace Of Sin"

heart of the congos as the only token reggae album on the list. no marcus garvey or king tubbys meets rockers uptown? weird

Here's the list reordered by year, because I clearly have too much time on my hands:

1959
Kind Of Blue

1963
Live At The Apollo
The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan
The Black Saint And The Sinner Lady

1964
A Hard Day’s Night

1965
Highway 61 Revisited
Rubber Soul
A Love Supreme
Bringing It All Back Home
Otis Blue

1966
Pet Sounds
Revolver
Blond On Blond

1967
The Velvet Underground & Nico
Forever Changes
Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band
Are You Experienced
Piper At The Gates Of Dawn
Younger Than Yesterday
Axix: Bold As Love
Safe As Milk
The Who Sell Out

1968
Astral Weeks
The Beatles (White Album)
The Kinks Are The Village Green Society
Electric Ladyland
The Notorious Byrd Brothers
Music From Big Pink
White Light/White Heat
The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter
Eli & The Thirteenth Confession
At Falsom Prison
Beggars Banquet
Sweetheart Of The Rodeo
Lady Soul
Gris-Gris

1969
The Band
Abbey Road
Let It Bleed
Liege & Lief
The Velvet Underground
Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere
Dusty In Memphis
The Guided Palace Of Sin
In A Silent Way
New York Tendaberry
Tommy
Five Leaves Left

1970
After The Goldrush
Fun House
Loaded
Bitches Brew
Curtis
The Madcap Laughs
Live At Leeds
Moondance
John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band
Paranoid
The Man Who Saved The World

1971
Hunky Dory
What's Going On
Sticky Fingers
Blue
There's A Riot Going On
Led Zeppelin (Iv)
Bryter Later
Tapestry
If Only I Could Remember My Name
Who's Next
Tago Mago
Histoire De Melody Nelson
Surfs Up
Songs Of Love And Hate
Electric Warrior

1972
Ziggy Stardust
Exile On Main Street
Transformer
Ege Bamyasi
No1 Record
Can't Buy A Thrill
Pink Moon
Harvest
The Slider
Something/Anything?

1973
Innervisions
Solid Air
Countdown To Ecstasy
Dark Side Of The Moon
A Wizard, A True Star
Paris 1919
Future Days
3+3
For Your Pleasure

1974
On The Beach
Rock Bottom
Diamond Dogs
Court & Spark
Radio City
Here Come The Warm Jets
No Other

1975
Blood On The Tracks
Horses
The Hissing Of Summer Lawns
Born To Run
Physical Graffiti
Tonight's The Night

1976
Stationtostation
Songs In The Key Of Life
Hejira
Ramones

1977
Marquee Moon
Low
Trans Europe Express
The Clash
Never Mind The Bollocks…
Rumours
Heart Of The Congo’s
"Heroes"
Suicide
My Aim Is True

1978
Third/Sister Lovers
Parallel Lines
The Only Ones
C'est Chic
Darkness On The Edge Of Town
The Man-Machine

1979
London Calling
Off The Wall
Unknown Pleasures
Metal Box
Cut
The Specials
Entertainment!
Fear Of Music

1980
Closer
Remain In Light
Back In Black
Seventeen Seconds

1981
Dare!

1982
You Can’t Hide Your Love Forever
Pornography
Sulk
Thriller
The Nightfly
Hex Enducation Hour
Imperial Bedroom

1983
Murmer
Power Corruption & Lies
Swardfishtrumbone

1984
The Nation's Saving Grace
Purple Rain
The Smiths

1985
Hounds Of Love
Head On The Door
Rain Dogs
Tim
Steve McQueen

1986
The Queen Is Dead
Parade

1987
Sign O The Times
Strangeways Here We Come

1988
It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back
Sprit Of Eden
Daydream Nation
Isn't Anything

1989
The Stone Roses
Technique
Disintergration
Doolittle

1990
Heaven Or Las Vegas

1991
Loveless
Screamadalica
Achtung Baby
Blue Lines

1992
Check Your Head
Selected Ambient Works 85-92

1993
In Utero
Modern Life Is Rubbish
Debut
Enter The Wu-Tang: 36 Chambers
Rid Of Me

1994
Dummy
Grace

1995
Maxinquaye
Liquid Swords
(What's The Story) Morning Glory?

1997
Ok Computer
Ladies & Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space
The Boatman’s Call
Radiator

1998
This Is Hardcore
Deserters Songs

2000
Kid A

2001
Time (The Revelator)
Discovery

2002
American Iv: The Man Comes Around

2006
Back To Black
Ys

2007
Sound Of Silver
In Rainbows

been a rough 20 years i guess

Eh, it's not so easy in the 55+ year time span, to displace albums that were both groundbreaking and popular in the first couple decades, especially with an older demographic. I know Uncut has plenty of veteran boomer writers, but not really sure how their age range breaks down exactly. It would be kind of interesting to poll a bigger sample of writers, and then have a filter where you can see what different age groups picked. For it to be interesting, ballots would need to go deeper than 10, preferably 50 or 100.

there's literally no Mercyful Fate on this worthless list

New nomination..

Swardfishtrumbone

Although, The Guided palace of sin is the winner. Someone photoshop some guide dogs onto the cover?

Still, no "Giant Steps", ....

(yeh, either. Alright?)

Lists are not aimed at music nerds like on ilx. They are useful when starting out and just discovering music and you may get into one or two of the more obscure acts and develop your own way. No one will ever agree on a list. None of these albums are bad (ok i hate lcd soundsytem) but the list is obviously dull white male middlebrow aimed at exactly those types who read uncut.

I'm a dull white male middlebrow music nerd who both reads uncut and posts on ilx, and I more or less agree that these are the best albums of all time, so where do I fit into your scheme of things?

So the best seven best recordings in the 100-year history of recorded music were all made within a 3-year period? What an amazing coincidence!

my brother is just getting into music now and one of his methods is asking everyone he plays a game of rocket league against what their favourite song is and compiling them. probably wouldn't even occur to him to pick up a music magazine, but I think his approach is more interesting

Tell your brother some idiot on the internet told him to add "Desmond Dekker - Israelites" to that playlist.

lists like these fulfill a market niche. first, i am coming to believe that lists are more useful to the reader than any other form of music journalism. they're not interesting or fulfilling to write, but "hey listen to this" is the only motivation anybody needs to listen to something. lists are a critical means of contextualizing information. over here we've just gone through the annual orgy of year-end lists, primarily, i think, so we can catch up on all the albums that came out this year we haven't gotten to hear yet.

the tiresome thing about lists like these is that they don't change, not really. it's the same list for the past twenty years, and that's a little depressing. when it comes to white music, ok, sure, "trans europe express" will always be a great record, but they keep using the same token black music picks, and look, public enemy just hasn't held up all that well. it's terrible tokenism, like putting a token rock record in these lists and making it "volunteers". "volunteers" was a revolutionary record at the time, but the world has moved on, you know?

it's hard not to blame the audience. relying on uncut to get information about music is like drinking bottled water exclusively. it's not wrong, but it is sort of stupid and wasteful.

I don't really understand the inclusion of token jazz. Why not - say - token classical? In C or Glassworks would be as good a fit as Black Saint and the Sinner Lady.

xxp I will both ensure that the purity of his list is maintained & that he listens to israelites, which he will definitely love

the token jazz is there to insulate against accusations of racism.

So the best seven best recordings in the 100-year history of recorded music were all made within a 3-year period? What an amazing coincidence!

I love this post

This same list, with some minor variations, has appeared in so many publications I don't understand why they even bother compiling them anymore? Also, can't they just call it "200 albums white rock fans like the most"? In this day and age, does anyone really think this is a comprehensive list of all-time best albums in general, instead of a list of the most iconic rock albums + some token albums from other genres (and it's always the same token albums too)?

presumably a lot of the uncut readers think it is?

Lots of great albums in there, but seeing them all in a row like that is soooo booooring. How is it possible that a list full of good music can be so tasteless.

great works can cluster. 1512 was a pretty good year for art. for instance.

Maybe they should have specified that this was great art by white italians.

Fra Bartolomeo – Madonna in Glory with Saints (altarpiece, Besançon Cathedral, 1511–12)
Albrecht Dürer – The Virgin Mary Appearing to St. John on Patmos (woodcut)
Leonardo da Vinci – Self-portrait in red chalk (approximate date)
Michelangelo – Sistine Chapel ceiling, including the Separation of Light from Darkness (completed)
Raphael
The Expulsion of Heliodorus from the Temple (fresco in the Raphael Rooms of the Apostolic Palace in the Vatican)
The Triumph of Galatea (fresco in Villa Farnesina in Rome)
Titian – approximate date
The Gypsy Madonna
La Schiavona
The Three Ages of Man
Lucas van Leyden – The History of Joseph series of engravings, e.g. Joseph Explains Pharaoh's Dream
Bernard van Orley – Triptych of the Carpenters and Masons Corporation of Brussels ("Apostle Altar")

Did Italians count as white in the 1500s?

Compare with this November 1985 NME list (that I remember reading as a 15 year old)

NME Writers All Time 100 Albums
First Published On 30th November 1985
http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/nme_writers.htm

1. What’s Going On - Marvin Gaye (1971)
2. Astral Weeks - Van Morrison (1968)
3. Highway 61 Revisited - Bob Dylan (1965)
4. The Clash - The Clash (1977)
5. Marquee Moon - Television (1977)
6. Swardfishtrombones - Tom Waits (1983)
7. The Band - The Band (1969)
8. Blond On Blond - Bob Dylan (1966)
9. John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band - John Lennon (1970)
10. Unknown Pleasures - Joy Division (1979)
11. Revolver - The Beatles (1966)
12. The Sun Collection - Elvis Presley (1975)
13. Never Mind The Bollocks... - The Sex Pistols (1977)
14. Forever Changes - Love (1967)
15. Low - David Bowie (1977)
16. The Velvet Underground And Nico - The Velvet Underground (1967)
17. Solid Gold - James Brown (1977)
18. Horses - Patti Smith (1975)
19. Live And Lowdown At The Apollo - James Brown (1962)
20. Pet Sounds - The Beach Boys (1966)
21. Kind Of Blue - Miles Davis (1959)
22. Bringing It All Back Home - Bob Dylan (1965)
23. Otis Blue - Otis Redding (1966)
24. The Doors - The Doors (1967)
25. Exile On Main Street - The Rolling Stones (1972)
26. Anthology - The Temptations (1974)
27. Greatest Hits - Aretha Franklin (1977)
28. Are You Experienced - The Jimi Hendrix Experience (1967)
29. The Modern Dance - Pere Ubu (1978)
30. King Of The Delta Blues Singers - Robert Johnson (1972)
31. Imperial Bedroom - Elvis Costello & The Attractions
32. Anthology - Smoky Bacon And The Miracles (1974)
33. The Beatles - The Beatles (1968)
34. Searching For The Young Soul Rebels - Dexys Midnight Runners (1980)
35. White Light/White Heat - The Velvet Underground (1968)
36. Young Americans - David Bowie (1975)
37. The Poet - Bobby Womack (1982)
38. Trans-Europe Express - Kraftwerk (1977)
39. Darkness On The Edge Of Town - Bruce Springsteen (1979)
40. This Years Model - Elvis Costello & The Attractions (1978)
41. Another Green World - Brian Eno (1975)
42. Trout Mask Replica - Captain Beefheart & The Magic Band (1969)
43. The Man Machine - Kraftwerk (1978)
44. The Mothership Connection - Parliament (1975)
45. The Cream Of Al Green - Al Green (1980)
46. Let’s Get It On - Marvin Gaye (1973)
47. There’s A Riot Going On - Sly And The Family Stone (1971)
48. Rocket To Russia - The Ramones (1977)
49. Greatest Hits - Sly And The Family Stone (1970)
50. Big 16 - The Impressions (1965)
51. Blood On The Tracks - Bob Dylan (1974)
52. Alan Vega/Martin Rev - Suicide (1980)
53. Another Music In A Different Kitchen - Buzzcocks (1978)
54. Closer - Joy Division (1980)
55. Mad Not Mad - Madness (1985)
56. For Your Pleasure - Roxy Music (1973)
57. The Scream - Siouxie & The Banshees (1980)
58. The Harder They Come - Soundtrack Featuring Jimmy Cliff
59. Entertainment! - Gang Of Four (1980)
60. The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground (1969)
61. 3+3 - The Isley Brothers (1973)
62. The Hissing Of Summer Lawns - Joni Mitchell (1975)
63. “Heroes” - David Bowie (1977)
64. Meat Is Murder - The Smiths (1985)
65. Station To Station - David Bowie (1976)
66. Clear Spot - Captain Beefheart And The Magic Band (1972)
67. Get Happy! - Elvis Costello & The Attractions (1980)
68. Fear Of Music - Talking Heads (1979)
69. Lust For Life - Iggy Pop (1977)
70. Berlin - Lou Reed (1973)
71. 20 Greatest Hits - Buddy Holly & The Crickets (1967)
72. Music From Big Pink - The Band (1968)
73. Hard Day’s Night - The Beatles (1964)
74. Roxy Music - Roxy Music (1972)
75. Leave Home - The Ramones (1977)
76. A Love Supreme - John Coltrane (1957)
77. Golden Decade Vol 1 - Chuck Berry (1972)
78. The Very Best Of.. - Jackie Wilson
79. In A Silent Way - Miles Davis (1969)
80. Stranded - Roxy Music (1973)
81. Talking Heads ‘77 - Talking Heads (1977)
82. The Correct Use Of Soap - Magazine (1980)
83. Born In The USA - Bruce Springsteen (1983)
84. Court And Spark - Joni Mitchell (1974)
85. Strange Days - The Doors (1967)
86. More Songs About Buildings And Food - Talking Heads (1978)
87. LA Woman - The Doors (1971)
88. Chess Masters - Howling Wolf (1981)
89. Armed Forces - Elvis Costello & The Attractions (1979)
90. Steve Mcqueen - Prefab Sprout (1985)
91. Paris 1919 - John Cale (1973)
92. Forward Onto Zion - The Abyssinians (1977)
93. My Aim Is True - Elvis Costello (1977)
94. Rattlesnakes - Lloyd Cole & The Commotions (1984)
95. Best Of - The Beach Boys (1968)
96. King Tubbys Meets The Rockers Uptown - Augustus Pablo (1976)
97. Rubber Soul - The Beatles (1965)
98. Suicide - Suicide (1977)
99. The Undertones - The Undertones (1979)

NME Writers Only Listed Their Top 99 Albums In The 1985 List, Leaving The 100th Spot Free For A Competition In Which Readers Were Encouraged To Suggest Their Own Choice For The Album Which They Believed Would Complete The List.

About A Month After The List Was Published One Lucky Reader Won All 99 Albums, After Their Suggestion - "Songs For Swinging Lovers" By Frank Sinatra - Was Deemed The Best Entry By The Magazine Staff.

Q: How many albums from the 1985 NME list have survived to the 2016 Uncut list?

55. Mad Not Mad - Madness (1985)

ha, I like this album a lot, I wonder if it has ever appeared on another '100 greatest albums of all time' type list since? seems unlikely

uncut playing it safe by not including anything less than 8 years old

When did Uncut start? Id like to know how many albums from its lifetime made it

Uncut
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncut_(magazine)
Uncut was launched in May 1997 as "a monthly magazine aimed at 25- to 45-year-old men that focuses on music and movies", edited by Allan Jones (former editor of Melody Maker)

32. Anthology - Smoky Bacon And The Miracles (1974)

Lots of great albums in there, but seeing them all in a row like that is soooo booooring.

It has roughly the effect of playing all 200 albums simultaneously.

Gotta say I'm not convinced about this assertion that ilxors hate dull lists.

How can any list of "greatest (insert artform) of all time" be anything other than strictly personal? "Most influential", "Most revolutionary" or "Most lauded" are better constructs, at least they're open for debate and justification.

How many of you criticising this went to see Star Wars and can I line you all up against a wall?

there's literally no Mercyful Fate on this worthless list

OTM

"Lots of great albums in there, but seeing them all in a row like that is soooo booooring. How is it possible that a list full of good music can be so tasteless."

this a thousand times! it's a strange phenomena. i like/love plenty of those records on their own but i see them all together and just go blahhhh! wait, white people make me do this in general...

How many of you criticising this went to see Star Wars and can I line you all up against a wall?

when you're done with then I'll open fire on them as I hate star wars :)

I saw Star Wars once, I was at home reading a newspaper mainly. It was probably the NME.

Difference between Star Wars and a list is that Star Wars is a 2+ hour movie with characters and setpieces and special effects and this is.... a list.

How can any list of "greatest (insert artform) of all time" be anything other than strictly personal? "Most influential", "Most revolutionary" or "Most lauded" are better constructs, at least they're open for debate and justification.

Still too subjective. Need e.g. "longest tracks in minutes", "notes per second", "number of parallel fifths", etc.

Van Morrison has no affect on my life, and removing his albums from the planet wouldn't even be significant enough for me to even enjoy the strange miracle of it happening.

Also, I don't recall the 1940s having such a hold over my parents' generation -- why does the 60s continue to loom so largely in these lists for mine? Are the voters all really old? Or just their bosses?

but what age are the writers voting? many maybe werent even born then or barely were. The one person i know who writes for it is around my age or at most 44/45

he also told me he doesnt really like these lists but you need to comply to get work...

so who knows how much work goes into their top 20s

Also, I don't recall the 1940s having such a hold over my parents' generation

I do.

maybe writers just keep the same list to use everytime saving work!

frank sinatra had a big hold over people a bit older than my parents. ie people born early-mid 30s or the 20s

Art music world still not over the 18th century.

To me, someone in their 40s has no excuse to fill a ballot with canon albums from the 60s and 70s -- I mean, yeah, a lot of my favorite albums are from the 70s (most aren't exactly canon), but as a music writer, you see and make so many lists, to put another into the world with Bob Dylan and Astral Weeks on it.... like, fight the power already, before you're too old to care.

What if those are their favourite albums of all time?

buddy holly and shirley basssey are my folks faves respectively but they have always bought new (albeit still more adult contemporary/easy listening) along with adele/robbie williams/susan boyle and their equivalents going back to the 50s.

They probably have heard 2 albums on these all time lists too. a beatles and a dylan. Rock isnt their thing tho my dad liked beatles and stones singles. But generally they like 'singers'.

I do.

I think the biggest impact I still feel is watching It's A Wonderful Life at Christmas -- but my parents seemed more defined by how they were different than their parents, rather than endlessly celebrating the "greatest generation".

dominique im not a writer but no list i ever make will ignore pfunk or krautrock!

or sly or miles or kraftwerk etc

but no pfunk in that uncut list is unforgivable. they usually get in a US based list. Tho they got in old lists from mojo,nme etc as that was how i got into it

What if those are their favourite albums of all time?

Then it's hard to believe they make a living as creative people.

in seriousness, lists are obv subjective, and I'm not hear to insult someone's taste. But that list isn't about "taste" to me, it's about strengthening a footprint

Honest question, Dominique: would you prefer a list topped by e.g. The Joshua Tree, Born in the USA, and True Blue, with the Beatles and Beach Boys in the mid-50s?

I honestly dont think the writers take it that seriously

haha sund4r that would be a list by the public

http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/uk_radio.htm

BBC 6 Music: Best albums of all time
Voted for by the public - 2002

Stone Roses

1 The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
2 Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon
3 The Beatles - Revolver
4 Radiohead - The Bends
5 Radiohead - OK Computer
6 The Beatles - Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band
7 Nirvana - Nevermind
8 U2 - The Joshua Tree
9 The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead
10 The Beatles - The White Album
11 The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
12 Oasis - Definitely Maybe
13 The Sex Pistols - Never Mind The Bolllocks
14 The Clash - London Calling
15 Pink Floyd - The Wall
16 Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin IV
17 Oasis - What's the Story (Morning Glory)?
18 REM - Automatic For The People
19 Bob Dylan - Blood On The Tracks
20 Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
21 Marvin Gaye - What's Going On?
22 David Bowie - The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust And The Spiders From Mars
23 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue
24 U2 - Achtung Baby
25 The Rolling Stones - Exile On Main Street
26 Massive Attack - Blue Lines
27 Meatloaf - Bat Out Of Hell
28 Bruce Springsteen - Born To Run
29 The Who - Who's Next
30 Jeff Buckley - Grace
31 Primal Scream - Screamadelica
32 The Pixies - Doolittle
33 Van Morrison - Astral Weeks
34 Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced?
35 The Strokes - Is This It?
36 Roxy Music - For Your Pleasure
37 Joy Division - Closer
38 The Verve - Urban Hymns
39 Leftfield - Leftism
40 Dido - No Angel
41 Michael Jackson - Thriller
42 David Gray - White Ladder
43 Jimi Hendrix - Electric Ladyland
44 The Jam - All Mod Cons
45 Ian McNabb - Merseybeast
46 Joni Mitchell - Blue
47 Nick Drake - Bryter Later
48 Stevie Wonder - Innervisions
49 The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground and Nico
50 Kate Bush - The Hounds of Love

45 Ian McNabb - Merseybeast

was this the result of some kind of online fan campaign or was McNabb just a lot more popular among 2002 6 Music listeners than I'd realised?

Honest question, Dominique: would you prefer a list topped by e.g. The Joshua Tree, Born in the USA, and True Blue, with the Beatles and Beach Boys in the mid-50s?

not really, but it's hard to even imagine a list like that, unless it was polling the trading desks of Wall Street or something. Which is to say, I wouldn't take it any more seriously than I take this one.

What's especially weird is that this list doesn't seem to account for the state of current music at all. Like, where is the obvious influence in modern music from Pet Sounds? As much as I love the Beach Boys, PS is a record that for whatever reason, seemed to peak in critical reception in the 80s and 90s, and a lot of indie music at the time was following suit in running with the sound. But I haven't heard anything new/popular in *years* that made me think about the greatness of Pet Sounds. Recycling these canon records is misleading IMO! It makes me wonder who the magazine is speaking for/talking to, because it doesn't seem like it is people who are currently invested in music.

"number of parallel fifths"

p sure Mercyful Fate would not come out ahead here

these lists should just be 'machine gun' 100 times

just the song

The boring part of this isn't necessarily the inclusion of albums that no one is surprised to see but rather the subset of those albums that don't pass GOAT muster. For the eleventy-billionth time, Sgt. Pepper's isn't even among the twenty best albums released in '67. It has no place here. And then there's stuff like Diamond Dogs creeping in. I like it, but is it just there because it's a '70s Bowie album? Because it's definitely the weakest of that lot.

BBC Radio 2 Top 100 Albums

Broadcast 28th August 2006 - Voted for by the public.

Sgt Pepper

1 Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - Beatles
2 Thriller - Michael Jackson
3 The Joshua Tree - U2
4 Rumours - Fleetwood Mac
5 Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd
6 Revolver - Beatles
7 Bridge Over Troubled Water - Simon & Garfunkel
8 Abbey Road - Beatles
9 A Night At The Opera - Queen
10 The Beatles (The White Album) - Beatles
11 Rubber Soul - Beatles
12 Brothers In Arms - Dire Straits
13 (What's The Story) Morning Glory? - Oasis
14 Automatic For The People - R.E.M.
15 Led Zeppelin IV (Four Symbols) - Led Zeppelin
16 Jagged Little Pill - Alanis Morissette
17 Parallel Lines - Blondie
18 Tubular Bells - Mike Oldfield
19 Led Zeppelin II - Led Zeppelin
20 Band On The Run - Paul McCartney & Wings
21 Hounds Of Love - Kate Bush
22 Definitely Maybe - Oasis
23 Graceland - Paul Simon
24 Ray Of Light - Madonna
25 Who's Next - Who
26 Goodbye Yellow Brick Road - Elton John
27 OK Computer - Radiohead
28 Never Mind The Bollocks Here's The Sex Pistols - Sex Pistols
29 Aladdin Sane - David Bowie
30 Out Of Time - R.E.M.
31 A Rush Of Blood To The Head - Coldplay
32 Scissor Sisters - Scissor Sisters
33 X & Y - Coldplay
34 Born In The U.S.A. - Bruce Springsteen
35 Like A Prayer - Madonna
36 A Hard Day's Night - Beatles
37 Confessions On A Dancefloor - Madonna
38 Parachutes - Coldplay
39 Harvest - Neil Young
40 Bad - Michael Jackson
41 American Idiot - Green Day
42 A Kind Of Magic - Queen
43 Faith - George Michael
44 Fever - Kylie Minogue
45 Back In Black - AC/DC
46 Let It Be - Beatles
47 Like A Virgin - Madonna
48 The Unforgettable Fire - U2
49 Imagine - John Lennon & The Plastic Ono Band With The Flux Fiddlers
50 Help - Beatles
51 Arrival - Abba
52 Led Zeppelin 3 - Led Zeppelin
53 Urban Hymns - Verve
54 Spice - Spice Girls
55 Sing When You're Winning - Robbie Williams
56 Let's Dance - David Bowie
57 Hopes And Fears - Keane
58 Diamond Dogs - David Bowie
59 Escapology - Robbie Williams
60 Parklife - Blur
61 Rattle And Hum - U2
62 Hot Fuss - The Killers
63 How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb - U2
64 True Blue - Madonna
65 Sticky Fingers - Rolling Stones
66 Music - Madonna
67 A Day At The Races - Queen
68 War - U2
68 Life Thru A Lens - Robbie Williams
70 No Angel - Dido
71 Physical Graffiti - Led Zeppelin
72 Swing When You're Winning - Robbie Williams
73 Super Trouper - Abba
73 Let It Bleed - Rolling Stones
75 All Things Must Pass - George Harrison
76 Spiceworld - Spice Girls
77 Dare! - Human League
78 Different Class - Pulp
79 Please Please Me - Beatles
80 Back To Bedlam - James Blunt
81 So - Peter Gabriel
82 All That You Can't Leave Behind - U2
83 Diva - Annie Lennox
84 Paranoid - Black Sabbath
85 The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan - Bob Dylan
86 Songs About Jane - Maroon 5
87 By The Way - Red Hot Chili Peppers
88 The Division Bell - Pink Floyd
88 Scary Monsters And Super Creeps - David Bowie
90 Play - Moby
91 Listen Without Prejudice Volume 1 - George Michael
92 Dangerous - Michael Jackson
93 Voulez-Vous - Abba
94 Innuendo - Queen
95 Demon Days - Gorillaz
96 Love Over Gold - Dire Straits
97 The Album - Abba
97 Come On Over - Shania Twain
99 I've Been Expecting You - Robbie Williams
100 Welcome To The Pleasuredome - Frankie Goes To Hollywood

Album Of The Millennium

Autumn 1997 Channel 4 and HMV, in association with The Guardian newspaper, joined forces to find out what the British public considers to be the best music of this millennium. Every type of music was eligible: from the Beatles to Beethoven; from country to classical; from pop to hip hop. It was the most ambitious survey ever undertaken.

1. The Beatles - Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band
2. The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
3. The Beatles - Revolver
4. Radiohead - The Bends
5. Oasis - What's The Story? (Morning Glory)
6. Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon
7. Radiohead - OK Computer
8. Nirvana - Nevermind
9. Van Morrison - Astral Weeks
10. The Beatles - The White Album
11. Bob Dylan - Blood On The Tracks
12. The Beatles - Abbey Road
13. Miles Davis - A Kind Of Blue
14. Oasis - Definitely Maybe
15. The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead
16. Bob Dylan - Blonde On Blonde
17. Marvin Gaye - What's Going On?
18. R.E.M. - Automatic For The People
19. U2 - The Joshua Tree
20. David Bowie - The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust
21. Massive Attack - Blue Lines
22. Velvet Underground - Velvet Underground And Nico
23. Fleetwood - Mac Rumours
24. The Sex Pistols Never - Mind The Bollocks
25. Prodigy - The Fat Of The Land
26. The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
27. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
28. Alanis Morissette - Jagged Little Pill
29. Portishead - Dummy
30. Oasis - Be Here Now
31. Jimi Hendrix - Electric Ladyland
32. Primal Scream - Screamadelica
33. Paul Simon - Graceland
34. Pulp - Different Class
35. Joni Mitchell - Blue
36. The Clash - London Calling
37. Simon & Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water
38. The Rolling Stones - Exile On Main Street
39. The Beatles - Rubber Soul
40. Manic Street Preachers - Everything Must Go
41. Captain Beefheart And The Magic Band - Trout Mask Replica
42. Love - Forever Changes
43. David Bowie - Hunky Dory
44. Lou Reed - Transformer
45. Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
46. Bruce Springsteen - Born To Run
47. Meatloaf - Bat Out Of Hell
48. Blur - Parklife
49. Pink Floyd - The Wall
50. Joy Division - Closer
51. The Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed
52. Stevie Wonder - Songs In The Key Of Life
53. U2 - Achtung Baby
54. The Verve - Urban Hymns
55. George Michael - Older
56. The Clash - The Clash
57. Pixies - Doolittle
58. Bob Marley & The Wailers - Legend
59. Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms
60. Prodigy - Music For The Jilted Generation
61. The Band - The Band
62. Spice Girls - Spice
63. Leftfield - Leftism
64. Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced?
65. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin IV
66. Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible
67. Michael Jackson - Thriller
68. Neil Young After - The Gold Rush
69. Queen - A Night At The Opera
70. The Doors - The Doors
71. Carole King - Tapestry
72. Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
73. Prince - Sign Of The Times
74. Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti
75. Bob Dylan - Bringing It All Back Home
76. Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
77. Frank Sinatra - Songs For Swinging Lovers
78. Kate Bush - Hounds Of Love
79. Patti Smith - Horses
80. The Smiths - Hatful Of Hollow
81. John Lennon - Imagine
82. Suede - Dog Man Star
83. Beck - Odelay
84. Ocean Colour Scene - Moseley Shoals
85. The Smiths - The Smiths
86. Jeff Buckley - Grace
87. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin II
88. Tricky - Maxinquaye
89. Van Morrison - Moondance
90. John Coltrane - Love Supreme
91. Bjork - Debut
92. Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation Of Millions….
93. R.E.M. - Out Of Time
94. Television - Marquee Moon
95. Tori Amos - Little Earthquakes
96. Michael Jackson - HIStory
97. DJ Shadow - Endtroducing
98. The Verve - A Northern Soul
99. The Eagles - Hotel California
100. Elton John - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYzfILjp0LI

watch bob geldof go apeshit about the stone roses bearing out his fave 60s albums saying it was only a piece of its time and how beatles/dylan changed the world. He was incredulous hanything modern was as good as the music of his youth. The guy hated all modern music

23. Fleetwood - Mac Rumours

"I hear they're going to have an SSD in the new model!"

"Like, where is the obvious influence in modern music from Pet Sounds?"

buried in my backyard with a bullet in its brain.

With the risk of hijacking the thread, I made my own 'canonical albums of modern Western music' (ie not just rock but electronic/dj mixes, chanson, jazz, blues, classical, minimalism etc) list a while back basically toying with the idea to give my kids some sort of structure to follow. It doesn't completely reject the boomers stuff, I mean everyone should know a couple of Beatles and Stones tunes but there's no need to foist Dylan or Morrison upon innocent children.

AC/DC - Back in Black (1980)
Al Green - Call Me (1973)
Alain Bashung - L'imprudence (2002)
Alice in Chains - Dirt (1992)
Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works Volume II (1994)
Arcade Fire - Funeral (2004)
Aretha Franklin - Lady Soul (1968)
Artur Rubinstein - Frédéric Chopin's Nocturnes (1967)
Arvo Pärt - Tabula rasa (1984)
Autechre - Amber (1994)
Bad Brains - Bad Brains (1982)
Bad Religion - Against the Grain (1990)
Benny Goodman - The Famous 1938 Carnegie Hall Jazz Concert (1950)
Billie Holiday - Lady Sings the Blues (1956)
Biosphere - Substrata (1997)
Björk - Homogenic (1997)
Blondie - Parallel Lines (1978)
Bob Marley & The Wailers - Exodus (1977)
Brian Eno - Ambient 1: Music for Airports (1978)
Buddy Holly - Buddy Holly (1958)
Burial - Untrue (2007)
Burzum - Filosofem (1996)
Can - Tago Mago (1971)
Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus (1986)
Charles Mingus - The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady (1963)
Chet Baker - Chet Baker Sings (1954)
Cocteau Twins - Treasure (1984)
Coil - Horse Rotorvator (1986)
Curtis Mayfield - Curtis (1970)
Daft Punk - Discovery (2001)
David Bowie - The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars (1972)
David Sylvian - Secrets of the Beehive (1987)
Dead Can Dance - The Serpent's Egg (1988)
Dead Kennedys - Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables (1980)
Death - Individual Thought Patterns (1993)
Dennis Russell Davies
Depeche Mode - Violator (1990)
Deutsch Amerikanische Freundschaft - Alles ist gut (1981)
Diamanda Galás - Plague Mass (1991)
Dinosaur - You're Living All Over Me (1987)
Dr. Dre - 2001 (1999)
Duke Ellington and His Orchestra - Ellington Uptown (1953)
Dusty Springfield - Dusty in Memphis (1969)
Einstürzende Neubauten - ½ Mensch (1985)
Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong - Porgy & Bess (1959)
Elliott Smith - Either / Or (1997)
Ennio Morricone - C'era una volta il West (1968)
Entombed - Left Hand Path (1990)
Eric B. & Rakim - Paid In Full (1987)
Faith No More - Angel Dust (1992)
Fleetwood Mac - Rumours (1977)
Françoise Hardy - La question (1971)
Frank Sinatra - Songs for Swingin' Lovers! (1956)
Front Line Assembly - Tactical Neural Implant (1992)
Funkadelic - Maggot Brain (1971)
Gang of Four - Entertainment! (1979)
Glenn Branca - The Ascension (1981)
Godspeed You Black Emperor! - Lift Yr. Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven! (2000)
Goldie - Timeless (1995)
Hallucinogen - Twisted (1995)
Herbert von Karajan & Berliner Philharmoniker - Ludwig von Beethoven's 9 Symphonien (1963)
Herbert von Karajan & Wiener Philharmoniker - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's Requiem (1987)
Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters (1973)
Hoedh - Hymnvs (1993)
I-F - Mixed Up in The Hague Vol. 1 (2000)
Iggy and The Stooges - Raw Power (1973)
Iron Maiden - Powerslave (1984)
Jacques Brel - Jacques Brel [Ces gens-là] (1965)
James Brown - The Payback (1973)
Jeff Mills - Live at the Liquid Room, Tokyo (1996)
Joanna Newsom - Ys (2006)
John Coltrane - A Love Supreme (1965)
John Lee Hooker - It Serve You Right to Suffer (1966)
Johnny Cash - Johnny Cash With His Hot and Blue Guitar! (1957)
Joni Mitchell - Blue (1971)
Joy Division - Closer (1980)
Judas Priest - Sad Wings of Destiny (1976)
Junior Wells' Chicago Blues Band - Hoodoo Man Blues (1965)
Kanye West - The College Dropout (2004)
Kate Bush - Hounds of Love (1985)
Kraftwerk - Computerwelt (1981)
Kruder Dorfmeister - The K&D Sessions (1998)
Kyuss - Welcome to Sky Valley (1994)
Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill (1998)
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin IV (1971)
Leonard Bernstein & New York Philharmonic - Igor Stravinsky's Le Sacre Du Printemps (1958)
Leonard Cohen - Songs of Love and Hate (1971)
Little Richard - Here's Little Richard (1957)
Lou Reed - Transformer (1972)
Marvin Gaye - What's Going On (1971)
Max Romeo & The Upsetters - War Ina Babylon (1976)
Megadeth - Rust in Peace (1990)
Metallica - Master of Puppets (1986)
Michael Jackson - Thriller (1982)
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue (1959)
Minutemen - Double Nickels on the Dime (1984)
Mobb Deep - The Infamous (1995)
Motörhead - Ace of Spades (1980)
Muddy Waters - Folk Singer (1964)
My Bloody Valentine - Loveless (1991)
Nas - Illmatic (1994)
Neil Young - After the Gold Rush (1970)
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Henry's Dream (1992)
Nick Drake - Pink Moon (1972)
Nina Simone - Pastel Blues (1965)
Nirvana - Nevermind (1991)
Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come (1959)
Patti Smith - Horses (1975)
Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain (1994)
Pearl Jam - Ten (1991)
Pharoah Sanders - Karma (1969)
Philip Glass - Glassworks (1982)
Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon (1973)
Pixies - Doolittle (1989)
PJ Harvey - To Bring You My Love (1995)
Portishead - Dummy (1994)
Prince and The Revolution - Purple Rain (1984)
Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back (1988)
Queen - A Night at the Opera (1975)
Queens of the Stone Age - Songs for the Deaf (2002)
Radiohead - OK Computer (1997)
Ramones - Ramones (1976)
Rome - Flowers From Exile (2009)
Scion - Arrange and Process Basic Channel Tracks (2002)
Serge Gainsbourg - Histoire de Melody Nelson (1971)
Sex Pistols - Never Mind the Bollocks Here's the Sex Pistols (1977)
Sigur Rós - Ágætis byrjun (1999)
Sixteen Horsepower - Sackcloth 'n' Ashes (1996)
Slayer - Reign in Blood (1986)
Sleater-Kinney - Dig Me Out (1997)
Slint - Spiderland (1991)
Slowdive - Souvlaki (1993)
Sly & The Family Stone - There's a Riot Goin' On (1971)
Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream (1993)
Snoop Doggy Dogg - Doggystyle (1993)
Son House - Father of Folk Blues (1965)
Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation (1988)
Soundmurderer - Wired for Sound (2003)
Stan Getz & João Gilberto ft Antônio Carlos Jobim - Getz / Gilberto (1964)
Steve Reich - Music for 18 Musicians (1978)
Steve Roach - Mystic Chords & Sacred Spaces (2003)
Stevie Wonder - Songs in the Key of Life (1976)
Sufjan Stevens - Illinois (2005)
Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978)
Swans - White Light From the Mouth of Infinity (1991)
Talking Heads - Remain in Light (1980)
Television - Marquee Moon (1977)
Terry Riley - In C (1968)
The Avalanches - Since I Left You (2000)
The Beatles - Revolver (1966)
The Clash - London Calling (1979)
The Congos - Heart of The Congos (1977)
The Cure - Disintegration (1989)
The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots (2002)
The Future Sound of London - Lifeforms (1994)
The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Electric Ladyland (1968)
The Knife - Silent Shout (2006)
The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die (1994)
The Prodigy - Music for the Jilted Generation (1994)
The Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers (1971)
The Sisters of Mercy - First and Last and Always (1985)
The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead (1986)
The Velvet Underground & Nico - The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967)
The Who - Who's Next (1971)
Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners (1957)
Tori Amos - Little Earthquakes (1992)
Weezer - Blue Album (1994)
Wilhelm Furtwängler - Richard Wagner's Tristan und Isolde (1953)
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) (1993)
Young Jeezy - Let's Get It: Thug Motivation 101 (2005)
Zed Bias - Sound of the Pirates: The Garage Sound of UK Pirate Radio (2000)
2 Many DJ's - As Heard on Radio Soulwax Pt. 2 (2002)

hijack away! Im sure most will find it more interesting!

That's a v good list! (Weezer, though?)
xp

i once did a list of albums I loved every year from 1956 to 2013 (was updated in 2014 with that years albums) it wasnt done in one go tho. It was over a long period of time.
Not posting it here though

Yes, overall a decent list (my quibble would be AiC's Dirt, which I listened to yesterday for the first time in a while and I think I want to revise the title to Dire...see what I did there?).

these lists should just be 'machine gun' 100 times

― sounding like a silly Iain Banks on a track (imago), Tuesday, January 5, 2016 9:29 AM

had no idea you were such Hendrix fan ;)

another 1985 published all time list by a UK magazine, Sounds (I remember this list back in late 1985, notice the inclusion of Psychocandy)

SOUNDS ALL TIME TOP 100 ALBUMS
http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/sound100.html
Published Sometime in 1985

1. The Clash - The Clash
2. The Sex Pistols - Never Mind The Bollocks
3. The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground And Nico
4. David Bowie - The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust
5. Patti Smith - Horses
6. The Beatles - Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
7. Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
8. Television - Marquee Moon
9. The Doors - The Doors
10. T Rex - Electric Warrior
11. Joy Division - Closer
12. Jimi Hendrix Experience - Are You Experienced?
13. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin II
14. Bruce Springsteen - Born To Run
15. Marvin Gaye - What's Going On
16. David Bowie - Heroes
17. Talking Heads - Remain In Light
18. Iggy And The Stooges - Raw Power
19. Love - Forever Changes
20. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
21. Iggy Pop - Lust For Life
22. Japan - Tin Drum
23. Roxy Music - For Your Pleasure
24. Marvin Gaye - Let's Get It On
25. David Bowie - Station To Station
26. David Bowie - Aladdin Sane
27. David Bowie - Young Americans
28. Suicide - Suicide
29. Elvis Costello - My Aim Is True
30. Echo And The Bunnymen - Ocean Rain
31. Bruce Springsteen - Darkness On The Edge Of Town
32. Ian Dury And The Blockheads - New Boots And Panties
33. The Ramones - The Ramones
34. Siouxsie And The Banshees - The Scream
35. David Bowie - Low
36. David Bowie - Diamond Dogs
37. Lou Reed - Transformer
38. The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
39. Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti
40. The Rolling Stones - Beggars Banquet
41. The Stooges - The Stooges
42. The Rolling Stones - Exile On Main Street
43. Tom Waits - Rain Dogs
44. The Jesus And Mary Chain - Psychocandy
45. Bob Dylan - Blonde On Blonde
46. Gang Of Four - Entertainment
47. Iggy Pop - The Idiot
48. Kraftwerk - Trans-Europe Express
49. The Velvet Underground - White Light/White Heat
50. Bruce Springsteen - Nebraska
51. Can - Tago Mago
52. Alice Cooper - Love It To Death
53. The Clash - Give 'Em Enough Rope
54. The Clash - London Calling
55. Alice Cooper - Killer
56. Motorhead - Ace Of Spades
57. Prince - 1999
58. ZZ Top - Eliminator
59. Alice Cooper - School's Out
60. New York Dolls - Too Much, Too Soon
61. The Rolling Stones - Aftermath
62. Dream Syndicate - Medicine Show
63. Lou Reed - Berlin
64. Captain Beefheart And The Magic Band - Trout Mask Replica
65. The Smiths - The Smiths
66. Talking Heads - Fear Of Music
67. Elvis Costello And The Attractions - Armed Forces
68. Jimi Hendrix Experience - Axis: Bold as Love
69. The Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed
70. Bruce Springsteen - Born In The USA
71. The Byrds - Younger Than Yesterday
72. Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds - The First Born Is Dead
73. Cream - Disraeli Gears
74. New York Dolls - New York Dolls
75. Radio Birdman - Radios Appear
76. The Slits - Cut
77. Bob Marley - Live At The Lyceum
78. Bob Marley - Natty Dread
79. The Fall - This Nation's Saving Grace
80. Otis Redding - Otis Blue
81. The Human League - Dare
82. The Jam - Setting Sons
83. Magazine - Real Life
84. Van Morrison - Astral Weeks
85. The Doors - Strange Days
86. The Jam - All Mod Cons
87. Public Image Ltd - Metal Box
88. The Mothers Of Invention - We're Only In It For The Money
89. Generation X - Generation X
90. Elton John - Captain Fantastic And The Brown Dirt Cowboy
91. Jimi Hendrix Experience - Electric Ladyland
92. Brian Eno/David Byrne - My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts
93. Alice Cooper - Billion Dollar Babies
94. The Only Ones - Even Serpents Shine
95. Bruce Springsteen - The River
96. Alan Vega - Saturn Strip
97. Buffalo Springfield - Again
98. Holger Czukay - Movies
99. Pink Floyd - Piper At The Gates Of Dawn
100. AC/DC - Highway To Hell

even tho it has plenty of the usual canonical stuff the 1985 NME list seems like a cool and fun list of albums that i can imagine being very helpful to a lot of ppl (even to me, since there's several things in there i haven't heard) whereas the uncut list feels oppressive and depressing. the vibe of the 1985 list feels less settled, less final, more engaged with the recent past. i mean, almost half of their top 20 had come out within the previous decade, the beatles are there but not too high up, "what's going on" is actually kind of an interesting choice for no. 1 (as opposed to somewhere around no. 13, which is where it usually ends up in these lists -- it's boring to call "what's going on" one of the best albums ever, but making a case for it as THE best is potentially intriguing), and there's TWO james brown albums in the top 20. whereas the only really surprising thing about that uncut list is that they didn't find a way to put stone roses in the top 10.

There are several Alice Cooper albums in that last top 100 list. I don't think I've previously seen one Alice Cooper album in a top 100 list.

Dirt would be top 20 in my list.

(not that my list isn't a 'personal favourites' list, more of an attempt to re-balance the various undisputed canonical albums across time and genre a bit better - I mean I like all of 'em but they're not necessarily in my top 175)

(note that my list, etc etc etc stupid typos)

something about seeing multiple david bowie albums listed one after the other in that list is really depressing. they do that in the uncut list too. and i like all those albums!

there's no need to foist Dylan or Morrison upon innocent children.

...

Burzum - Filosofem (1996)

ok then!

Hey I've got albums by Dr Dre, Wagner and Dead Kennedys on there too, no musician needs to have squeaky clean moral standing.

that 1985 NME list was huge for teenaged me when i discovered it circa 1990.

the vibe of the 1985 list feels less settled, less final, more engaged with the recent past. i mean, almost half of their top 20 had come out within the previous decade

because "albums" had only been a thing for 20 years at that point!

Im listening to John Lee Hooker's "It serves you right to suffer" and its amazing. Thanks Siegbran!

That list of mine I mentioned. I know there's probably still albums I've missed out. 1956-2013 as i didnt update it after all.
http://pastebin.com/raw/7pCjsVYQ

My tastes definitely changed post napster. Im guessing some of you will have a different decade where you stop agreeing with my picks.(some wont agree at all)

i used to make lists of canonical records, and then i made mix cds, and now i just go around demanding that random groups of acquaintances listen to random songs. ("seriously, haven't you heard anything sugar blue has done _besides_ 'miss you'?")

"The Man Who Saved The World" is my favorite typo. Seven Bowie albums is kind of overkill.

I think the biggest impact I still feel is watching It's A Wonderful Life at Christmas

btw It's A Wonderful Life was a flop in the '40s and didn't become a Christmas-watching tradition until the '80s

'80s is pushing it, I reckons. I'm sure it was earlier, around 1972 for me anyway.

Okay, since we're getting all objective here, this is the list for my top 200 albums of all time (copied from Discogs, so sorry if the formatting is weird):

2350 Broadway - 2350 Broadway 4
310 - After All
4 Hero - Two Pages
A Taste of Honey - A Taste of Honey
AZ - Aziatic
Abbey Lincoln - Straight Ahead
Ahlam - Revolt Against Reason
Air - Air III
Air Liquide - Nephology: The New Religion
Airto Moreira - Seeds on the Ground
Alice Coltrane - Universal Consciousness
Alice Coltrane - Journey In Satchidananda
Alter Ego - Decoding the Hacker Myth
Anssi Kela - Anssi Kela
Huelgas Ensemble, Paul Van Nevel - Antoine Brumel: Missa "Et Ecce Terrae Motus" A 12 Voci / Sequentia "Dies Irae"
The Hilliard Ensemble, Gidon Kremer, Vladimir Mendelssohn, Thomas Demenga, Brass Ensemble Staatsorchester Stuttgart, Dennis Russell Davies - Arvo Pärt: Arbos
Elora Festival Singers, Noel Edison - Arvo Pärt: Berliner Messe / Magnificat / Summa
Asa - Terveisiä kaaoksesta
Baden Powell - Canto on Guitar
Baden Powell & Vinicius de Moraes - Os Afro-sambas
Barbara Morgenstern - Fjorden
Caress - Caress
Benjamin Britten, Galina Vishnevskaya, Peter Pears, Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, London Symphony Orchestra - War Requiem
Björk - Debut
Björk Guðmundsdóttir & Tríó Guðmundar Ingólfssonar - Gling-gló
Black Moon - Total Eclipse
Bombers - Bombers 2
Burger/Ink - Las Vegas
Burhan Öçal & Jamaaladeen Tacuma featuring Natacha Atlas - Groove Alla Turca
Burnt Friedman & Jaki Liebezeit - Secret Rhythms 3
Burnt Friedmann - First Night Forever
Cannibal Ox - The Cold Vein
Ceebrolistics - Ö
Cerrone - Supernature
Change - The Glow of Love
Charles Mingus - Blues & Roots
Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um
Chydeone - Vaihtelevaa ihmisyyttä
Constance Demby - Novus Magnificat: Through the Stargate
Cosmic Baby - Fourteen Pieces (Selected Works 1995)
Curtis Mayfield - Curtis
DJ Sprinkles - Midtown 120 Blues
Datacide - Flowerhead
Dead Prez - Lets Get Free
Deep Space Network - Big Rooms
Digital Underground - Sex Packets
Dinky - Anemik
Divine Styler - Wordpower 2: Directrix
Donato Dozzy - K
Donny Hathaway - Extension of a Man
Donny Hathaway - Everything Is Everything
Dots - Dots
Duke Ellington and His Orchestra featuring Mahalia Jackson - Black, Brown and Beige
Duke Ellington - Far East Suite
Noriko Ogawa, Bergen Filharmoniske Orkester, Ole Kristian Ruud - Edvard Grieg: In Autumn
Earth, Wind & Fire - All 'n All
Electronic Dub - Electronic Dub
Elis Regina - ...Em pleno verão
Elis Regina - Como & porque
Ellen Allien - Boogybytes vol. 04
Eric B. & Rakim - Paid in Full
Eric Dolphy - Out There
Eve - Ruff Ryder's First Lady
Exquisite Corpse- Inner Light
Fela Kuti & Africa 70 - Open & Close
Bartholdy-Chor des Bayerischen Rundfunks und Symphonie, Orchester des Bayerischen Rundfunks, Rafael Kubelik - Felix Mendelssohn: Ein Sommernachtstraum
Festival - Evita
Fever Ray - Fever Ray
Flora Purim - Stories to Tell
Belcea Quartet, Valentin Erben - Franz Schubert: String Quintet / String Quartets In G & D Minor "Death And The Maiden"
From Within - From Within
La Chapelle Royale, Ensemble Musique Oblique, Philippe Herreweghe - Gabriel Fauré: Requiem [Version 1893]
Gas - Königsforst
Gate Zero - Schwerelos
Geinoh Yamashirogumi - Symphonic Suite Akira
Taverner Choir, Taverner Players, Andrew Parrott - Georg Friedrich Händel: Messiah
George Duke - Faces in Reflection
Gravediggaz - 6 Feet Deep
Estonian National Male Choir, Mikk Üleoja - Galina Grigorjeva: In paradisum
GZA - Liquid Swords
Hannibal & Soppa - Pahat viinit
Heltah Skeltah - Nocturnal
Herbie Hancock - Sextant
Hiromi - Brain
Hiromi - Spiral
Idris Muhammad - House of the Rising Sun
Ilkka Kalevi Tillanen & Rantaremmi - Ihmiskunnan viholliset
Instant Funk - Instant Funk
Ioculatores - Ioculatores
Irene Papas - Odes
Jill Jones - Jill Jones
Joe Henderson featuring Alice Coltrane - The Elements
Angela Hewitt - Johann Sebastian Bach: The Well-Tempered Clavier
Emma Kirkby, Emily Van Evera, Panito Iconomou, Christian Immler, Michael k*l*an, Rogers Covey-Crump, David Thomas, Taverner Consort & Taverner Players, Andrew Parrott - Johann Sebastian Bach: Mass In B Minor
Ingrid Schmithüsen, Charles Brett, Howard Crook, Peter Kooij, La Chapelle Royale, Philippe Herreweghe - Johann Sebastian Bach: Trauerode / Jesu, Der Du Meine Seele
John Coltrane - Olé Coltrane
John Coltrane - A Love Supreme
Steven Rickards, Dorothy Linell - John Dowland: Flow My Tears and Other Lute Songs
John Tavener, Steven Isserlis, London Symphony Orchestra - The Protecting Veil
Jontti & Shaka- Rata-äänite
K. Michelle - Rebellious Soul
K-Hand - Soul
Khan & Walker - Radiowaves
Kimiko Kasai with Herbie Hancock - Butterfly
Koti6 - Luu5
L.S.G. - Into Deep
Lalo Schifrin - Black Widow
Laurent Garnier - Unreasonable Behaviour
Leon Thomas - Blues and the Soulful Truth
Lester Bowie - The Great Pretender
Liisanpuisto - Liisanpuisto
M.I.A. - Bittersüss
M.O.P. - Warriorz
Marilyn Mazur, Ars Nova, Copenhagen Art Ensemble - Jordsange
Marilyn Mazur's Future Song - Daylight Stories
Mariska - Suden hetki
Marusha - Raveland
Max Roach - We Insist! Max Roach's Freedom Now Suite
McCoy Tyner - Sahara
Me'Shell NdegéOcello - Peace Beyond Passion
Me'Shell NdegéOcello - The World Has Made Me the Man of My Dreams
Meg Bowles - The Shimmering Land
Mico - Phenomena of the Mind
Midnight Star - No Parking on the Dance Floor
Miles Davis - In a Silent Way
Milton Nascimento - Milton
Minilogue - Blomma
Modula Green - Shellground
Monolake - Gravity
Montserrat Figueras, La Capella Reial de Catalunya, Jordi Savall - El Cant de la Sibil·la
Mouse on Mars - Autoditacker
Move D / Namlook - Move D / Namlook XII: Space & Time
Murmurecordings - Escapemodule
Nas - God's Son
Natasha Barrett - Trade Winds
Nina Simone - Pastel Blues
Nina Simone - Wild Is the Wind
Norma Jean Bell - Come into My Room
Notkea Rotta - Itä meidän
Oliver Lieb - Inside Voices
Angela Hewitt, Valérie Hartmann-Claverie, Radion Sinfoniaorkesteri, Hannu Lintu - Olivier Messiaen: Turangalîla-symphonie
Omni Trio - The Haunted Science
Organized Konfusion - Stress: The Extinction Agenda
OutKast - Aquemini
Paperclip People - The Secret Tapes of Dr. Eich
Patrick Cowley - Megatron Man
Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought
Planet Patrol - Planet Patrol
Pole - 1
Prince - Controversy
Prince and the New Power Generation - Love Symbol
Psychick Warriors ov Gaia - The Key
Pyhimys & Timo Pieni Huijaus - Arvoitus koko ihminen
R. Carlos Nakai & William Eaton - Ancestral Voices
RAH Band - Mystery
Ramsey Lewis - Sun Goddess
Reagenz - Playtime
Recondite - Hinterland
Ritarikunta - Sanat tavaraa vastaan
Robert Rich - Perpetual
Roberta Flack - First Take
Roland Kirk - The Case of the 3 Sided Dream in Audio Color
Pro Cantione Antiqua - Roland de Lassus: Music For Holy Week And Easter Sunday / Requiem In Four Parts
Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown - Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown
Secret Knowledge - So Hard
Shades of Orion - Shades of Orion
Shades of Orion - Shades of Orion 2
Sheila Chandra - ABoneCroneDrone
Sheila Chandra - Quiet
Si Begg - Commuter World
Silence - Silence 2
Sir Elwoodin Hiljaiset Värit - Kymmenen tikkua laudalla
Geir Draugsvoll, Arne Balk Møller, Henrik Brendstrup, Raschèr Saxophone Quartet, Kroumata Percussion Ensemble - Sofia Gubaidulina: Silenzio / De Profundis / Et Expecto / In Erwartung
Softcore - Softcore
Solar Quest - Orgship
Solonen & Kosola - Kolmetoista kertaa kovempi ku kukaan
Stanley Cowell - Mandara Blossoms
Steffi - Yours & Mine
Syrinx 2600 - Docking -20s
Tangerine Dream - Zeit
Tetsu Inoue - Organic Cloud
The Coup - Genocide & Juice
The Irresistible Force - It's Tomorrow Already
The Meters - Rejuvenation
The Mike Theodore Orchestra - Cosmic Wind
The Prodigy - Music for the Jilted Generation
Thomas Mapfumo and the Blacks Unlimited - Corruption
Thomas P. Heckmann - The Lost Tales Vol. III
Tomita - Planets
Two Lone Swordsmen - Stay Down
Uakti - Oiapok Xui
Ultramarine - Every Man and Woman Is a Star
Vangelis - Heaven and Hell
Vangelis - Spiral
Warp 9 - It's a Beat Wave
Wechselspannung - Wechselspannung
Ville Kalliosta - 100 x 200 mg
Voices from the Lake featuring Donato Dozzy & Neel - Voices from the Lake
Hagen Quartett - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart: The String Quartets
Yhdentekevää - Yhdentekemää

I only had to scroll as far as the Burger/Ink album (good recommendation!) to figure out that this was your list.

yeah seeing all the Uwe Schmidt stuff did it for me

Wow I had totally forgotten about Burger/Ink! I love that album. Thanks, can't wait to dig it out and put it back in rotation.

That thing Dominique said about the deepening of the footprint... does anyone think these lists are partially done out of fear that people will forget this type of canon? There's definitely an insecurity in a lot of people that new generations will stop worshipping their classics. Like reasserting your favourites, not calling them just favourites but The Greatest Albums EVER!

I often think about Kim Newman saying how a certain breed of cult film fan views new classics as a threat to classics of the previous generation.

You do have to keep talking about things if new people are going to listen to them, so I wonder how often is appropriate before it gets annoying and boring, often making the bands seem less appealing.

Looking again at the Uncut list for things they might not have included a decade ago when I was reading the magazine. Possibly Fairport Convention and Todd Rundgren? Kate Bush probably climbed a lot higher. I thought there might be more prog but nope.

Uncut used to be very 80s more an alternative canon type thing like spin but apparently rebooted some years back to 60s/70s as old white men who love that music of their youth are the only one who buys magazines supposedly

Screw NME, screw the old ILM lists, screw the canon: Post your highly subjective Top 100 "albums" of all time as of 2003

all of the lists itt lack Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, and are therefore invalid trash

I don't really mind that by why not explicitly limit yourself to that specific subsegment - a 'definitive canon' top 200 of 1967-1977 rock by Uncut would be much more informative than this list that takes 150 of those albums plus a few dozen scattered picks out of what else happened in music over the last 80 years.

(xpost obv)

Ha, my list on that other thread was so perverse. WTF with including short classical works as 'albums' without even specifying a recording.

I mean, plenty of Metal mags do best ever lists, but nobody claims a "best music ever" list with 150 metal albums plus a couple Ramones, Wagner, Shostakovich, Lustmord, Death In June, Sisters of Mercy and Einstürzende Neubauten albums just because their audience tends to dabble in that stuff too.

Was going to post the Stairway to Hell cover but tbf that was a 'best heavy metal albums' list, not a 'best music ever' list.

(just arguing with myself here i know, but i just can't imagine how you presumably v/ intelligent writers can print something like that in this day and age)

it's a worship thing, these lists are shrines

Uncut/Mojo/NME lists- Seems like there's less self-awareness that this is a narrow selection? In shops the rock/pop bit is the main section and maybe a lot of people don't bother about most of the the rest?

needs more Hammell On Trial / boring americana

God, Hammel on trial, where did he go?

"best" lists are inherently very personal so it's more of a mental activity to determine what the composite sketch of the Best Music Human would look like

presumably a lot of them describe an individual who owns a lot of books of lists and really likes lists

age 35 - 55
caucasian
lives in the UK or North America
finds invention of electric guitar very pivotal

Hammell On Trail went on every mix CD of many hapless young men who got their 'obscure' music fix from Uncut's free discs in the early 00s

These days, not so relevant

One of the weird things about this list is the absence of 1950s rock 'n roll, even though there are plenty of great albums to choose from. In fact no rock at all until A Hard Day's Night. Since these guys find the invention of the electric guitar pivotal, how come no Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley, early Elvis, or Johnny Burnette R&R Trio? There's much more obscure stuff that did make the list.

I don't really mind that but why not explicitly limit yourself to that specific subsegment - a 'definitive canon' top 200 of 1967-1977 rock by Uncut would be much more informative than this list that takes 150 of those albums plus a few dozen scattered picks out of what else happened in music over the last 80 years

Yeah, I was gonna say something like this. The Uncut editors should just have the nerve to say, "the music we like basically ended with the 1980s" and cap the list at that point.

They couldn't even pick the right Laura Nyro album

I'm just curious which is the right Laura Nyro album

Yeah, I'd have picked that one.

New York Tendarberry! (cos it has the best cover)

NME Writers All Time Top 100 - 1974

Only 99 Were Listed, The 100th Was Chosen By The Readership.

The 100th Was : The Rolling Stones - Goats Head Soup

1. Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band - The Beatles
2. Blond On Blond - Bob Dylan
3. Pet Sounds - Beach Boys
4. Revolver - The Beatles
5. Highway 61 Revisited - Bob Dylan
6. Electric Ladyland - Jimi Hendrix
7. Are You Experienced? - Jimi Hendeix
8. Abby Road - The Beatles
9. Sticky Fingers - The Rolling Stones
10. Music From Big Pink - The Band
11. Let It Bleed - The Rolling Stones
12. Layla - Derek & The Dominoes
13. The Velvet Underground & Nico - The Velvet Underground
14. Golden Decade Vol 1 - Chuck Berry
15. Rubber Soul - The Beatles
16. Tommy - The Who
17. Bridge Over Troubled Water - Simon & Garfunkel
18. Hunky Dory - David Bowie
19. Beggar’s Banquet - The Rolling Stones
20. Disraeli Gears - Cream
21. Piper At The Gates Of Dawn - Pink Floyd
22. My Generation - The Who
23. Crosby, Stills & Nash - Crosby, Stills & Nash
24. The Rolling Stones - The Rolling Stones
25. Imagine - John Lennon
26. Tapestry - Carole King
27. Ziggy Stardust - David Bowie
28. Freewheelin’ - Bob Dylan
29. Back In The USA - MC5
30. Deja Vu - Crosby, Stills & Nash
31. The Band - The Band
32. Gasoline Alley - Rod Stewart
33. A Hard Day’s Night - The Beatles
34. Every Picture Tells A Story - Rod Stewart
35. Led Zeppelin 4 - Led Zeppelin
36. The Doors - The Doors
37. In The Court Of The Crimson King - King Crimson
38. Exile On Main Street - The Rolling Stones
39. The Beatles - The Beatles
40. The Soft Machine - Soft Machine
41. Hot Rats - Frank Zappa
42. Traffic - Traffic
43. Trout Mask Replica - Captain Beefheart
44. Music From A Dolls House - Family
45. Talking Book - Stevie Wonder
46. Anthology - Smoky Bacon & The Miracles
47. Strange Days - The Doors
48. Led Zeppelin 2 - Led Zeppelin
49. Otis Blue - Otis Redding
50. Stand Up - Jethro Tull
51. Impressions, The - Big 16
52. Love - Forever Changes
53. Young, Neil - Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere
54. Taylor, James - Sweet Baby James
55. Byrds, The - Fifth Dimension
56. Wings - Band On The Run
57. Bowie, David - The Man Who Sold The World
58. Mothers Of Invention, The - We're Only In It For The Money
59. Rolling Stones, The - Get Your Ya-Yas Out
60. Beck, Jeff, Group - Beck-Ola
61. Stooges, Iggy & The - Raw Power
62. Beach Boys, The - Smiley Smile
63. Morrison, Van - Astral Weeks
64. Velvet Underground, The - Loaded
65. Franklin, Aretha - Greatest Hits
66. Beatles, The - With The Beatles
67. Mitchell, Joni - Blue
68. Mothers Of Invention, The - Freak Out
69. Young, Neil - After The Gold Rush
70. Stills, Stephen - Stephen Stills
71. Winter, Johnny - Johnny Winter And
72. Cocker, Joe - With A Little Help From My Friends
73. Yes - The Yes Album
74. Morrison, Van - Moondance
75. Rundgren, Todd - A Wizard, A True Star
76. Lennon, John - Plastic Ono Band
77. Jefferson Airplane, The - Crown Of Creation
78. Doors, The L.A. Woman
79. Sly & The Family Stone - There's A Riot Going On
80. Who, The - Who's Next
81. Country Joe & The Fish - Electric Music For The Mind & Body
82. Johnson, Robert - King Of The Delta Blues Singers
83. Beach Boys, The - Best Of The Beach Boys Volume 1
84. Mitchell, Joni - Songs For A Seagull
85. Mayall's, John, Bluesbreakers - Bluesbreakers
86. Traffic - Mr Fantasy
87. Dylan, Bob - Bringing It All Back Home
88. Presley, Elvis - Greatest Hits Volume 2
89. Velvet Underground, The - White Light/White Heat
90. Moby Grape - Moby Grape
91. Big Brother & The Holding Co. - Cheap Thrills
92. Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon
93. Doctor John - Gris-Gris
94. Wonder, Stevie - Music Of The Mind
95. Roxy Music - Stranded
96. Beach Boys, The - Surf's Up
97. Newman, Randy - 12 Songs
98. Spirit - The 12 Dreams Of Dr Sardonicus
99. Miller, Steve, Band - Sailor

NME Writers All Time top 100 Albums (from 1993)
1. Pet Sounds - The Beach Boys (Capitol, 1966)
2. Revolver - The Beatles (Parlophone, 1966)
3. Never Mind The Bollocks - The Sex Pistols (Virgin, 1977)
4. What's Going On Marvin Gaye ( Tamla Motown, 1971)
5. The Stone Roses The Stone Roses (Silvertone, 1989)
6. The Velvet Underground & Nico The Velvet Underground ( Verve, 1967)
7. London Calling The Clash (Cbs, 1979)
8. The Beatles The Beatles (Apple, 1968)
9. It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back Public Enemy (Def Jam, 1988)
10. The Queen Is Dead The Smiths (Rough Trade, 1986)
11. Exile On Main Street The Rolling Stones (Rolling Stones,1972)
12. Nevermind Nirvana (Geffen, 1991)
13. The Clash The Clash (Cbs, 1977)
14. Highway 61 Revisited Bob Dylan (Columbia, 1965)
15. Astral Weeks Van Morrison (Warners, 1968)
16. Sign 'O' The Times Prince (Paisley Park, 1987)
17. Blonde On Blonde Bob Dylan (Columbia, 1966)
18. Forever Changes Love (Elektra, 1968)
19. Three Feet High And Rising De La Soul (Big Life 1989)
20. Closer Joy Division (Factory, 1980)
21. Screamadelica Primal Scream (Creation, 1991)
22. Let It Bleed The Rolling Stones (Decca, 1969)
23. Automatic For The People Rem ( Wea, 1992)
24. The Elvis Presley Sun Collection Eivis Presley (Rca, 1975)
25. The Doors The Doors (Elektra, 1967)
26. Marquee Moon Television (Elektra 1977)
27. Psychocandy Jesus & Mary Chain (Blanco Y Negro, 1985)
28. Blue Joni Mitchell (Reprise 1972)
29. Are You Experienced? The Jimi Hendrix Experience ( Track 1967)
30. Live At The Apollo James Brown (London 1963)
31. Horses Patti Smtth (Arista 1975)
32. Innervisions Stevie Wonder (Tamla Motown 1973)
33. Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Band The Beatles ( Parlophone, 1967)
34. Songs For Swinging Lovers Frank Sinatra (Capitol 1955)
35. Otis Blue Otis Redding (Atcon 1966)
36. A Love Supreme John Coltrane (Lmpulse 1967)
37. Fear Of A Black Planet Pubic Enemy (Def Jam 1990)
38. Hunky Dory David Bowle (Rca 1971)
39. Blood And Chocolate Elvis Cosleilo & The Attractions (Imp 1986)
40. The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust And The Spioers From Mars David Bowie (Rca 1972)
41. Hatful Of Hollow The Smiths (Rough Trade 1984)
42. Technioue New Order (Factory 1989)
43. Unknown Pleasures Joy Division (Factory 1979)
44. Surfer Rosa Pixies (4AD 1985)
45. Adventures Beyond The Ultraworld The Orb ( Wau Mr Modo1991)
46. Surf's Up The Beach Boys (Stateside 1971)
47. Lust For Life Iggy Pop (RCA 1977)
48. Bringing It All Back Home Bob Dylan (Cbs 1965)
49. Warehouse: Songs And Stories Husker Du ( Warners 1987)
50. Low-Life New Order (Factory 1985)
51. Meaven Up Here Echo And The Bunnymen (Korova 1987)
52. Parallel Lines Blondie (Chrysalis 1978)
53. Grievous Angel Gram Parsons (Reprise 1974)
54. Dusty In Memphis Dusty Springfield (Philips, 1969)
55. Transformer Lou Reed (RCA 1973)
56. Led Zeppelin Iv Led Zeppelin (Atlantic. 1971)
57. All Mod Cons The Jam (Polydor 1978)
58. The Velvet Underground The Velvet Underground (Mgm 1969)
59. We’re Only In It For The Money Mothers Of Invention ( Mgm 1967)
60. Harvest Neil Young (1972)
61. Scott Scott Walker (Philips 1967)
62. The Stooges The Stooges (Eiekira 1969)
63. Everybody Knows This Is Knowhere Neil Young (Repfise 1969)
64. Rubber Soul The Beatles (Parlophone 1967)
65. Greatest Hits Aretha Franklin (Atlantic 1971)
66. After The Goldrush Neii Young (Reprise, 1970)
67. Low David Bowie ( Rca, 1977)
68. Remain In Light Talking Heads (Sire, 1980)
69. Marcus Garvey Burning Spear (Island, 1975)
70. Raindogs Tom Waits (Island, 1985)
71. Dry Harvey ( Too Pure, 1992)
72. The Smiths The Smiths (Rough Trade, 1984)
73. Lazer-Guided Melodies Spiritualized (Dedicated, 1992)
74. Five Leaves Left Nick Drake (Island, 1969)
75. Clear Spot Captain Beefheart (Reprise, 1972)
76. 16 Lovers Lane The Go-Betweens (Beggars Banquet, 1988)
77. Pink Flag Wire (Harvest, 1977)
78. Natty Dread Bob Marley (Island, 1975)
79. Sound Affects The Jam (Polydor 1980)
80. Slster Sonic Youth (Blast First 1987)
81. The White Room The Klf (Klf Communications, 1991)
82. Junkyard The Birthday Party (4ad, 1982)
83. The Kick Inside Kate Bush (Emi 1978)
84. Searching For The Young Soul Rebels Dexy's Midnight Runners (Parlophone, 1980)
85. Blood On The Tracks Bob Dylan (Cbs, 1975)
86. Rum, Sodomy & The Lash The Pogues (Stiff, 1985)
87. Give 'Em Enough Rope The Clash (Cbs, 1978)
88. King Of America Costello Show (F-Beat, 1986)
89. Talking With The Taxman About Poetry Billy Bragg (Go! Discs, 1986)
90. Third/Sister Lovers Big Star (Ardent, 1978)
91. Like A Prayer Madonna (Sire 1959)
92. Reading, Writing And Arithmetic The Sundays (Rough Trade, 1990)
93. Off The Wall Michael Jackson (Epic 1979)
94. Tonight's The Night Neil Young (Reprise, 1975)
95. This Nation's Saving Grace The Fall ( Beggars Banquet 1985)
96. Metal Box Pil ( Virgin 1979)
97. Blue Lines Massive Attack ( Wild Bunch, 1991)
98. Younger Than Yesterday The Byrds (Cbs 1967)
99. Who's Next? The Who ( Track 1971)
100. To Be Announced ???????

The 100th Album Was Voted By The Readership Of NME, It Was Happy Mondays - Bummed.

if you start with the one posted upthread from 1974 its interesting to see which albums have remained in favour, which have fallen out of favour and which have been rediscovered that was ignored at the time.

sorta forgot just how 'canon' The Stone Roses was even a few years after it came out.

91. Like A Prayer Madonna (Sire 1959)
Yes yes we know she's old.

Dark Side of the Moon not considered so hot in 1974

token picks from the uncut list -
soul/RnB
13. Marvin Gaye - What's Going On - 1971
41. Otis Redding - Otis Blue - 1965
44. Sly And The Family Stone - There's A Riot Going On - 1971
46. Michael Jackson - Off The Wall - 1979
49. Stevie Wonder - Songs In The Key Of Life - 1976
67. Stevie Wonder - Innervisions - 1973
68. James Brown - Live At The Apollo - 1963
152. Aretha Franklin - Lady Soul - 1968
180. Michael Jackson - Thriller - 1982
127. Chic - C'est Chic - 1978
131. The Isley Brothers - 3+3 - 1973

jazz
14. Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue - 1959
35. John Coltrane - A Love Supreme - 1965
119. Miles Davis - Bitches Brew - 1970
148. Miles Davis - In A Silent Way - 1969

hip hop
22. Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back - 1988
160. The Wu-Tang Clan - Enter The Wu-Tang: 36 Chambers - 1993
166. GZA - Liquid Swords - 1995

reggae
110. The Congos - Heart Of The Congo’s - 1977
117. The Specials - The Specials - 1979 (semi-counts)

electronic/dance -
150. Massive Attack - Blue Lines - 1991
151. Daft Punk - Discovery - 2001
167. Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works 85-92 - 1992
184. Kraftwerk - The Man-Machine - 1978

(the eno, tricky and portishead could probably go in here but they seem so part of the rock canon now, i didnt bother)

funny how these things never change.

More token soul albums ;)

Mojo – The 70 Best Soul Albums Of The 70’s From Mojo 202, Sept 2010

1. Stevie Wonder – Innervisions
2. Marvin Gaye – What’s Going On
3. Sly And The Family Stone – There’s A Riot Going On
4. Isaac Hayes – The Isaac Hayes Movement
5. The Temptations – Sky’s The Limit
6. Bobby Womack – Understanding
7. Aretha Franklin – Sprit In The Dark
8. James Brown – There It Is
9. Funkadelic – Maggot Brain
10. Chic – C’est Chic
11. Barry White – Can’t Get Enough
12. The Commodores – Machine Gun
13. Millie Jackson – Caught Up
14. Michael Jackson – Off The Wall
15. Earth Wind And Fire – I Am
16. Parliament – Motor Booty Affair
17. Eddie Hinton – Very Extremely Dangerous
18. The Isley Brothers – 3 + 3
19. Gil Scott-Heron – Pieces Of A Man
20. Curtis Mayfield – Curtis
21. Al Green – Call Me
22. Ann Peebles – Straight From The Heart
23. Donny Hathaway – Extension Of A Man
24. Gladys Knight And The Pips – Imagination
25. The Detroit Spinners – Spinners
26. Lady Hutson – Hutson
27. Bill Withers – Still Bill
28. War – The World Is A Ghetto
29. Minnie Riperton – Perfect Angel
30. Shaggie Otis – Inspiration Information
31. Johnnie Taylor – Taylored In Silk
32. Terry Callier – What Colour Is Love?
33. Labelle – Nightbirds
34. The Soul Children – Friction
35. Teddy Pendergrass – Teddy Pendergrass
36. Bootsy’s Rubber Band – Aah..The Name Is Bootsy, Baby!
37. Wilson Picket – In Philadelphia
38. Shirley Brown – Woman To Woman
39. Syreeta – Stevie Wonder Presents
40. Laura Lee – Woman’s Love Rights
41. Tyrone Davis – Turn Back The Hands Of Time
42. Chaka Khan – Chaka
43. Chairman Of The Board – Skin I’m In
44. Sister Sledge – We Are Family
45. Ohio Players – Skin Tight
46. Willie Hutch – The Mack
47. The Last Poets – This Is Madness
48. 24 Carrt Black – Ghetto: Misfortune Wealth
49. Allen Toussant – Southern Nights
50. Esther Phillips – From A Whisper To A Scream
51. Kool And The Gang – Light Of The World
52. The O’jays – Ship Ahoy
53. Smokey Robinson – A Quiet Storm
54. Denise Lasalle – Trapped By A Thing Called Love
55. Donna Summer – Bad Girls
56. Maggie Joseph – Makes A New Impression
57. Honey Cone – Sweet Replies
58. Lee Dorsey – Yes We Can
59. Rose Royce – Car Wash
60. Sam Dees – The Show Must Go On
61. Roberta Flack – Chapter Two
62. Billy Paul – War Of The Gods
63. Barbara Mason – Give Me Your Love
64. Betty Davis – Nasty Gal
65. The Staples Singers – City In The Sky
66. Candi Staton – Young Hearts Run Free
67. The Jacksons – Destiny
68. Lee Moses – Time And Place
69. Eugene Mcdaniels – Headless Heroes Of The Apocalypse
70. Cymande – Cymande

Compilations

1. Phillybusters: The Sound Of Philadelphia
2. Atlantic Black Gold
3. Wattstax: The Living World
4. Motown Chartbusters Volume 7
5. All Platinum Gold

the 80s list shows how the beatles were out of fashion and back then the elvis look was huge. but, possibly when Mojo started, the beatles came back and exploded again with britpop/oasis and elvis is strictly oldies again.

the nme and mojo 93 lists were HUGE for me though to appreciating music that wasnt just currently around.

Wow The Doors really really went out of style huh.

But then again, seems like all overtly psychedelic psychedelia went out of style.

What drops out of lists is often more interesting (or at least telling) than what stayed in.

they did but a brief revival early 90s iirc.
im thinking that music from the previous decade is still recent enough to like (especially) if bands are still going but 20 years before not so much. Then a revival.
But revivals seem to happen after 10 years now!

What drops out of lists is often more interesting (or at least telling) than what stayed in.

and what replaces them sometimes. Especially if 60s albums replace other 60s albums 70s with 70s etc. Its funny how despite how set in stone the canon seems it does replace old with old rather than old with new.

Thought it was interesting that the first Roxy entry in the 74 list was 95, if im not mistaken

Psychedelia is only ever really in fashion during times of relative prosperity, though. The 60s, the 80s, the bubble bits of the 00s. During times of financial crisis and austerity The Canon tends to drop all the noodle peace and love vibe and go for the more roots or plain or ~authentic~ sorts of styles hence your 70s and your '10s. Hence you get all people who were repping for psych in previous cycles repping for metal or country now.

why do all these rock lists put kind of blue as the top miles album?

i mean, not that i don't like it, it just feels honestly like none of them actually ever listen to him. like wouldn't rock fans be more into the 70s stuff? some of that borders on metal...

this one fact is good enough to sink these lists, not that there aren't a few hundred like it.

Best ever albums of all time:

http://www.besteveralbums.com/overall.php

Compiled from over 21,000 best albums charts. No surprises in there.

Well, Funeral by Arcade Fire on 10 is kind of a surprise. 3 Beatles albums and 2 Radiohead in the top 10s

One of the weird things about this list is the absence of 1950s rock 'n roll, even though there are plenty of great albums to choose from. In fact no rock at all until A Hard Day's Night. Since these guys find the invention of the electric guitar pivotal, how come no Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley, early Elvis, or Johnny Burnette R&R Trio? There's much more obscure stuff that did make the list.

I didn't think these artists were primarily album-oriented artists, though? In some cases, their most famous singles were compiled on albums after a bunch were released. If the writers were excluding compilations, I can see why these might be left out.

Still, shouldn't say the Buddy Holly S/T at least be able to displace The Band, T-Rex or the 4th/5th Neil Young album?

LocalGarda the dream album of Miles and Trane together? 1 token instead of 2 for some lists!
Other than that ..lazyness. Too many thing they only need 1 or 2 jazz (or indeed any genre) albums.

Hence you get all people who were repping for psych in previous cycles repping for metal or country now.

maybe previously but since the 90s metal stopped being music of the working class. Like indie its very middle class (possibly why some indie mags will embrace it i suppose but not Mojo, Uncut , Rolling Stones)

For those mags metal stopped with zep/sabbath and they arent exactly heavy compared to modern stuff.

maybe previously but since the 90s metal stopped being music of the working class.

Oh, bullshit. Who the fuck do you think goes to see Slayer? Or Megadeth, Five Finger Death Punch, or any of the other inescapably metal bands you just don't happen to like, and view as beneath you?

im talking about the UK

im also working class fwiw

and i do like classic slayer and megadeth you white power prick

and since you seem to think i was a middle class person looking down on working class metal fans i , a working class person from a working class family, was actually bemoaning that metal in the uk had lost its working class roots and was being made by lots of middle class people (much like any artform in the UK the past decade or so. ) and was also listened to by lots of middle class hipsters amongst other things.
Metal here has long since lost its working class roots. Not that it should be exclusively working class but nor should working class bands not get the opportunity richer kids get.
Next time just remember i am talking froma UK perspective, not everyone on ILX is from north america.

ps a one of my old schoolpals who was middle class loved slayer,megadeth,metallica etc.
not that it matters

who goes to download and those kind of events? i imagine its more people from outside london/the south than in, not sure about the class though.

a mix of everyone

but back in the 70s early 80s im told by people who were at reading,donington, gigs etc it was very much working class dominated.
It's a good thing its not just working class people into metal, i just got annoyed at phil's constant digs to me about looking down at people , insinuating im middle class! (does middle class mean the same in the usa?)

and i do think that there's more middle class kids than working class into metal and has been like that since I got into it.

I dunno why that has happened in the UK. Its been like that from way before metal got a bit trendy again. in the 90s it was anything but trendy.

these of course are all my own personal experiences

bruce dickinson is extremely posh and perhaps that made metal acceptable? I have friends who went to public (private) school in the 80s and they said metal (esp maiden,slayer,gnr, poison, megadeth etc) were the most popular. Yet at my state school there wasnt very many into it at all. I wasnt into it then yet either.

I didn't think these artists were primarily album-oriented artists, though? In some cases, their most famous singles were compiled on albums after a bunch were released. If the writers were excluding compilations, I can see why these might be left out.

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not sure about the others but chuck berry actually did make regular albums, a couple of which were almost entirely non-singles material, it's just that those albums have been eclipsed by all the singles collections. it's a shame b/c the albums i've heard of his are really great, espec. "st louis to liverpool," from 1964.

Cool, thanks for clarifying.

trying to think back to what my classmates were listening to when I was in high school/sixth form (about 15 years ago, so at the height of the nu-metal era), as far as I can recall there were ppl into rap or hardhouse + trance who were almost exclusively working class, ppl into indie who almost exclusively the poshest students, metal fans mostly seemed to be from some sort of ambiguous working class/lower middle class grey area, but also probably more diverse in terms of the class background compared to the other two groups?
most of the metal fans I'be encountered in adult life could probably be described as lower middle class, I'm struggling to think of any properly public school posh people I've met who like metal? obv a lot of this is determined by the kinds of circles I run in

bemoaning that metal in the uk had lost its working class roots and was being made by lots of middle class people (much like any artform in the UK the past decade or so. )

yeah let's prevent the poor from entering the middle class. idiot.

stop talking pish, i didnt say that, I said working class people weren't getting the chances they used to as the creative arts have been taken over by the middle classes. Prick.

then say that

seriously, this must be a uk thing

argh whatever, sorry for pooping it up

it is, im from the UK. Does middle class mean something different in the US?

I think the British middle classes are far more posher and therefore more disliked than their more beleaguered and low end Kulakish American counterparts. Or at least that is the vibe I get by the way US posters react to UK class bigotry.

ok that would make sense. Cheers. I asked because I read something on the BBC news site about Obama always talking about the middle classes and I got the impression he was talking about what we call upper working classes - people who own their own homes have decent jobs.

this was a few weeks ago but cant find it

No, really we aren't. But hating "The Middle Class" as a shorthand for everything that is wrong with this country is a great way of distracting attention from the actual pigfucking elites that actually rule us all, cheers.

i never said I hated the middle classes did i? i have as many middle class as working class friends. But you must be aware of musicians, artists, actors all saying that if they were young now they wouldn't make it. The pigfucking elite is to blame for this!

To add to the topic of '50s rock 'n rollers making albums, quite a few worked both sides of the aisle, separately making singles and albums, no different from the Beatles in the late '60s. Another example is Elvis's first LP - Uncut contributors may recognize it as the one that looks like London Calling - which was essentially recorded as an album (with some Sun sessions tracks added to fill it out) and which went to #1. No singles came from it for about five months (at which point every track was released on a single simultaneously!). There was also Gene Vincent and His Blue Caps (1957), a real album with no singles, considered such an important release that they brought their ex-lead guitarist Cliff Gallup back to record it. Then there was Bo Diddley making quasi-themed albums such as Bo Diddley Is a Gunslinger; you could argue about how great they were, but they were influential.

and the great thing about music is that it brings us all together. I know people with PhD's for instance who are very middle and upper middleclass who i would never have met, and possibly they may not have had anything to do with me socially but do, because of music. But I worry that may not happen in the future. I'm no class warrior but I do believe in fairness and equality for all.