Integrate Your Series and Fill a Cloud-Chamber POLL: Ballot Poll for Notated Music Since 1890 NOMINATIONS THREAD

Criteria for eligibility:
- The piece of music was written in 1890 or later.
- The piece of music was conceived and completed primarily in notated, rather than recorded or oral, form. Open (e.g. Terry Riley - In C) or graphic (e.g. Earle Brown - December 1952) is acceptable.
- As per Jon, "works which are sets of smaller pieces but clearly packaged by the composer as a cycle to be performed as such should count as one work (e.g. Debussy preludes book I: a single work)". Stockhausen's Klavierstücken would all count as individual works, however.

Discussions about favourite recordings/performances are encouraged but will not be taken into account when it comes to nominating or voting. You are voting for a composition, not a recording.

Included: most Western art music, electroacoustic music that is scored (e.g. Stockhausen - Kontakte), much big band music (e.g. Ellington), significant amounts of early 20th century pop (but if you nominate "St. Louis Blues", you are nominating W. C. Handy's composition, not the Bessie Smith/Louis Armstrong recording), some film and musical scores, a lot of Zappa

Excluded: most jazz and pop since 1945, improvised music, electroacoustic music that is not scored or where an after-the-fact visual 'score' was produced as a listening guide (e.g. Ligeti - Artikulation)

I'll set a limit of 50 nominations per person.

Nominations will be accepted until 11:59 pm Eastern Time on March 11.

Could a mod add "NOMINATIONS THREAD" to the end of the thread title?

Let's start with something obvious:

Arnold Schoenberg - Pierrot Lunaire

1/50

Nominations will be viewable here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/159pi7X3auJv4xPfuNSx-427tclquh5MHBkc40F4GIHI/edit#gid=0
Please nominate on the thread, though.

John Cage - Sonatas and Interludes for the Prepared Piano

2/50

really looking forward to this, hopefully we get a lot of ballots! Here are all of my noms, but I'm going to be seriously mining this poll for new discoveries.

Bela Bartok - Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta
Bela Bartok - Concerto for Orchestra
Bela Bartok - String Quartet no. 1
Bela Bartok - String Quartet no. 2
Bela Bartok - String Quartet no. 3
Bela Bartok - String Quartet no. 4
Bela Bartok - String Quartet no. 5
Bela Bartok - String Quartet no. 6
Bela Bartok - Mikrokosmos
Claude Debussy - String Quartet in G minor
Claude Debussy - Prelude to the Afternoon of A Faun
Claude Debussy - Nocturnes
Claude Debussy - La mer
Claude Debussy - Etudes
Claude Debussy - Preludes (bks 1&2)
Claude Debussy - Children's Corner
Philip Glass - Music in 12 Parts
Philip Glass - Einstein On the Beach
Gerard Grisey - Les espaces acoustiques
Scott Joplin - Solace
Rued Langgaard - Sfærernes Musik
Gyorgy Ligeti - Atmosphères
Gyorgy Ligeti - Lontano
Gyorgy Ligeti - Requiem
Gyorgy Ligeti - Lux Aeterna
Gyorgy Ligeti - Études pour piano (bks 1-3)
Olivier Messiaen - Préludes
Olivier Messiaen - L'Ascension
Olivier Messiaen - Quatuor pour la fin du temps
Olivier Messiaen - Trois petites liturgies de la présence divine
Per Norgard - Voyage into the Golden Screen
Per Norgard - Symphony No. 2
Per Norgard - Symphony No. 3
Per Norgard - Libra
Maurice Ravel - String Quartet in F
Maurice Ravel - Rapsodie espagnole
Maurice Ravel - Gaspard de la nuit
Maurice Ravel - Valses nobles et sentimentales
Maurice Ravel - Boléro
Steve Reich - Drumming
Steve Reich - Four Organs
Steve Reich - Music for Mallet Instruments, Voices and Organ
Ottorino Respighi - Pines of Rome
Jean Sibelius - Symphony No. 4
Jean Sibelius - Tapiola
Igor Stravinsky - Firebird
Igor Stravinsky - Petrushka
Igor Stravinsky - The Rite of Spring
Igor Stravinsky - Les Noces
Igor Stravinsky - Agon

50/50

Alban Berg - Lulu
Alban Berg - Lyric Suite
John Cage - Imaginary Landscape no. 1
John Cage - In a Landscape
Morton Feldman - Rothko Chapel
George Gershwin (with Dubose Heyward and Ira Gershwin) - Porgy & Bess
Olivier Messiaen - Vingt Regards sur L'enfant-Jesus
Olivier Messiaen - Turangalîla-Symphonie
Anna Thorvaldsdottir - In the Light of Air
Kurt Weill (with Bertolt Brecht) - The Rise and Fall of the City of Mahagonny
Kurt Weill (with Bertolt Brecht) - Threepenny Opera
Anton Webern - Symphony op. 21

12/50

Luciano Berio - Sinfonia
Steve Reich - Different Trains
Steve Reich - Piano Phase
Erik Satie - Gnossiennes

16/50

Gabriel Faure - Requiem in D minor (1893 church version)
Lili Boulanger - Clairières dans le ciel
John Tavener - Towards Silence
Heitor Villa-Lobos - Bachianas Brasileiras No. 1
Sofia Gubaidulina - Sieben Worte
Francis Poulenc - Concerto for organ, timpani and strings in G minor
Arvo Pärt - Summa
Duke Ellington - The Far East Suite
Unsuk Chin - Šu for sheng and orchestra
John Williams - Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (original soundtrack)
Germaine Tailleferre - Concertino for harp and orchestra

11/50

Imogen Holst - Mass in A minor
Gustav Holst - The Planets
Benjamin Britten - War Requiem
Benjamin Britten - Serenade for tenor, horn and strings
Laurie Spiegel - East River Dawn
Iannis Xenakis - Pléïades
Yamashiro Shoji (with Geinoh Yamashirogumi) - Akira (original soundtrack)
Sofia Gubaidulina - Silenzio
Arvo Pärt - Stabat mater for choir and string orchestra
Marilyn Mazur - Jordsange (Earth Songs)
Duke Ellington - Black, Brown, and Beige
Edvard Grieg - Bell-Ringing (orchestral version arranged by Anton Seidl)
Edward Elgar - Sea Pictures
Lili Boulanger - Psaume 130: Du fond de l'abîme
Jean Sibelius - Jedermann (Everyman) (incidental music for play)

26/50

Weirdly enough it looks like I'll have time on my hands this weekend so I'll compile a list.

A few things (or questions) from me:

- Anything obscure and I'll try and upload it - can I do that? But in my most instances I'll try and check whether youtube has it. Otherwise its pointless as I need to give you all a chance to hear it.
- Braxton's For Alto is notated isn't it? Or open form? I'm sure its hugely informed by improvisation. We'll need a cut of that, no composer matches his compositions for saxophone.
- I think we should ban Zappa for a LOL but there you go.

Hildur Guðnadóttir ‎- Without Sinking
Sergey Rachmaninoff - All-Night Vigil
Leoš Janáček - Glagolitic Mass
Galina Grigorjeva - Nox vitae

30/50

I'd love to nominate Vangelis' Heaven and Hell, but I don't really know whether it was notated..? I guess the choral parts must've been, at least.

Also, what's the judgment on modern arrangements of traditional melodies? Is something like Alice Coltrane's string arrangement of "Hare Krishna" valid?

I wondered about stuff like Terry Riley's Rainbow in Curved Air, or Steve Reich's tape pieces -- none of it notated, but pretty big in the sphere we're polling

I like the "conceived and completed primarily in notated, rather than recorded or oral, form" criterion and tempted to argue it should be applied strictly. OTOH "Come Out" and "It's Gonna Rain" both regularly performed in concert halls, as are Stockhausen's tape pieces...

Yeah, I think a strict limitation to notated music is good, because otherwise the poll would open up to stuff like electronic music and (improvised) jazz, becoming way too over-reaching.

And I don't want to see yet another poll with Aphex Twin in the top 20... (Though I guess that one Philip Glass orchestration of him is fair game according to the current rules.)

Vangelis has always composed by recording his improvisations. For things like the choir in h&h yeah somebody had to notate his material for the performers. But I'm inclined to say Vangelis = uncannily notated-sounding but not notated.

Here's another edge case: scelsi. He would improvise and have his assistant notate it from the tapes.

I don't want to assault this thread with edge cases though, that kind of talk can eventually become stymying.

Thanks for the info, I'm fine with leaving Vangelis out in that case.

Charles Koechlin - The Jungle Book
Miriam Gideon - Steeds of Darkness
Maurice Duruflé - Prélude et fugue sur le nom d'Alain
Maurice Duruflé - Requiem
Mirjam Tally - Iha ongi õis
Olivier Messiaen - La Nativité du Seigneur
John Tavener - The Protecting Veil
Elodie Lauten - The Death of Don Juan
Benjamin Britten - Cello Symphony
Sofia Gubaidulina - The Canticle of the Sun
Hubert Parry - An English Suite, for string orchestra

41/50

Yeah, the criterion is whether the music is notated, not whether it gets played in concert halls, or whether it gets included in the same books and survey courses as notated music, or whether it was composed by someone who also composes notated music. It's a relatively objective criterion, not a social category or artistic evaluation.

We could argue for days about whether Aphex Twin or Miles Davis should be categorized as 'art music', etc.

Also, thanks for nominating, everyone! Great noms so far.

well, a lot of Miles Davis stuff, esp pre fusion era, was notated. I'm treating this poll basically as a classical music poll, because if I think a lot about jazz, I could easily double or triple the size of my ballot (and then it kind of loses meaning for me -- haha, also most of my own music is notated, and I'm sure there are other rock/pop artists who can say the same)

Yeah, I was think of the fusion stuff with that comment. Sketches of Spain is fair game, as is U Totem or any other notated pop/rock music. The criterion has to do with how the music is created more than what it sounds like.

I was wondering if anyone was going to list 50 Tin Pan Alley tunes.

I'm not sure if I'm too much of a dilettante to properly participate in this, but my first nomination:

Cornelius Cardew - Treatise

Dom's nominations are all in the spreadsheet now.

Braxton's For Alto is notated isn't it? Or open form? I'm sure its hugely informed by improvisation. We'll need a cut of that, no composer matches his compositions for saxophone.

Does anyone know the answer to this? I know Braxton has done plenty of notated (if open-score) music but, somehow, I thought this album was free improvisation?

Harry Partch - The Wayward
Frederic Rzewski - Coming Together
Leo Brouwer - El Decameron Negro

Anything obscure and I'll try and upload it - can I do that?

Fine with me.

any other notated pop/rock music.

What are more examples? Zappa, Dominique, Slyde. I should probably know the answer but did Steely Dan do this?

(and obv U Totem)

Busy with work deadlines right now but I'm going to nominate a fair amt of Zappa. In the spirit of the poll I'm going to avoid things that, as much as I love them, really do seem to have been written strictly as jazz pieces (eg "Blessed Relief"). In fact, here's my start:

Frank Zappa - Lumpy Gravy
Frank Zappa - Holiday in Berlin

2/50

of bands I know, Fred Frith (and Art Bears/Henry Cow -- tho much of this was done later in order to play live), Thinking Plague, Zs (I remember seeing them ca 2007 or so, and it was just the band facing each other, buried in their music stands), just saw some sheet music that Tatsuya Yoshida posted on Facebook the other day of Ruins tunes

There's probably a lot more than you think, really

oh, and bands like Mr Bungle, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, Naked City -- there's an alternate canon to be compiled out there called "conservatory prog" ;)

OK, wow, I always thought of Lumpy Gravy as a musique concrète thing. Apparently, it was originally a scored orchestral piece that Zappa ended up taping, chopping up, and re-editing due to a contract dispute?

There's probably a lot more than you think, really

None of those examples surprise me that much. All are totally within the bounds of this poll. (Art Bears/Henry Cow might not fit based your description.) I didn't know Mr. Bungle did this but it makes sense.

Also, what's the judgment on modern arrangements of traditional melodies? Is something like Alice Coltrane's string arrangement of "Hare Krishna" valid?

I would lean against including these (e.g. Berio - Folk Songs) most of the time but there could be a case where the composer has added enough that it deserves to be nominated as a composition in its own right.

I cannot admit art bears into the pool because I have this down to 50 choices finally I think, and they are my favorite prog band

Someone else nom them

Gentle Giant sound as if they must have been notated

Alice Coltrane - Going Home
Peeter Vähi - Maria Magdalena, oratorio based on the Coptic codex
Charles Mingus - Epitaph
Elizabeth Brown - Seahorse

45/50

ok, here's 39 for you

airat ichmouratov - string quartet no. 2
mont campbell (national health) - zabaglione
dmitry shostakovich - op. 87 preludes and fugues
alexei stanchinsky - piano sonata in e flat minor
andre jolivet - concerto pour percussion

alfred schnittke - concerto for choir
alexander scriabin - sonata no. 9
andrzej panufnik - symphony no. 9
magnus lindberg - cello concerto
arnold schoenberg - concerto for string quartet and orchestra (after handel)

bela bartok - sonata for two pianos and percussion
ben johnston - suite for microtonal piano
carl orff - catulli carmina
conlon nancarrow - study for player piano no. 3
david maslanka - crown of thorns

einojuhani rautavaara - piano concerto #1
eric ewazen - marimba concerto
joseph schwantner - velocities (moto perpetuo)
harry partch - and on the seventh day petals fell on petaluma
harry partch - barstow

josef matthias hauer - apokalyptische phantasie
karel husa - apotheosis of this earth
karol szymanowski - violin concerto no. 2
bela bartok - violin concerto no. 2
george antheil - ballet mecanique

frederic rzewski - the people united will never be defeated!
manuel de falla - harpsichord concerto
henryk gorecki - harpsichord concerto
maurice ravel - miroirs
claude vivier - zipangu

steve reich - city life
jean sibelius - symphony no. 7
dmitry shostakovich - symphony no. 5
caroline shaw - partita for 8 voices
rodion shchedrin - sotto voce concerto for cello and orchestra

pavel haas - string quartet no. 2 "from the monkey mountain"
ruth crawford seeger - 3 chants
francis poulenc - sextet for piano and wind quintet
witold lutoslawski - cello concerto

anybody know if comus' "malgaard suite" was notated? whenever lindsay cooper gets involved i start suspecting notation...

Woo hoo rushomancy you just freed up a spot on my 50 thanks!

(Bartok 2pno Perc sonata)

Sweet list btw

Husa's Apotheosis... is intriguing. I've not knowingly heard him before.

Quite looking forward to this poll, even if I just end up lurking.

jon: thanks! i just threw a lot bunch of random stuff with the "classical" genre tag from my library in (i skew towards 20th century in my tastes anyhow). dominique freed up three spots on mine (stravinsky's les noces, ligeti's etudes, and sibelius's tapiola).

for pieces with multiple revisions, do we have to specify which revision we're talking about, or is that getting too far in the weeds?

Hm, that's interesting. I'm going to say that revisions don't need to be specified but I'll adjust that if e.g. it turns out that there are two contingents who really want to vote for the different versions of "El Polifemo de Oro".

Heitor Villa-Lobos - Douze études pour guitare

3/50

20/50

olivier messiaen - chronochromie
olivier messiaen - et exspecto resurrectionem mortuorum
witold lutosławski - string quartet
krzysztof penderecki - stabat mater
karlheinz stockhausen - stimmung
karlheinz stockhausen - prozession
luciano berio - laborintus 2
györgy ligeti - volumina
john cage - variations ii
john cage - fontana mix
mauricio kagel - musik für renaissance-instrumente
roberto gerhard - collages (symphony no. 3)
iannis xenakis - anaktoria
toru takemitsu - cassiopeia
harrison birtwistle - tragoedia
harrison birtwistle - triumph of time
carla bley - 3/4 for piano & orchestra
robert crumb - ancient voices of children
edgard varèse - ionisation
moondog - witch of endor

i do believe these all fit the criteria (...though not totally sure about prozession)

~George~ crumb

argh! *shamefaced*

Anton Bruckner - Symphony No. 9
Arthur Honneger - Symphony No. 2
Arthur Honneger - Symphony No. 3 "Symphonie Liturgique"
Gustav Mahler - Symphony No. 3
Gustav Mahler - Symphony No. 4
Gustav Mahler - Symphony No. 5
Gustav Mahler - Symphony No. 6
Gustav Mahler - Symphony No. 7
Gustav Mahler - Symphony No. 9
Erik Satie - Parade
Erik Satie - Relâche
William Walton with Edith Sitwell - Façade
Sergei Prokofiev - Symphony No. 1 "Classical"
Cornelius Cardew - The Great Learning

ok, some token noms from musicals, film soundtrack, jazz - if any of these turn out to be non-notated go ahead and disqualify.

john kander and fred ebb - cabaret
andrew lloyd webber and tim rice - jesus christ superstar
ennio morricone - giu la testa
ray noble - indian suite

we definitely need more noms, as there are some all-time classics of notated music that aren't on the list yet!

Hildur Guðnadóttir ‎- Without Sinking

I included this but could I get confirmation on whether it was notated?

Morton Feldman - For Philip Guston
Gustav Mahler - Symphony No. 8
Ralph Vaughan Williams - The Lark Ascending
Benjamin Britten - Peter Grimes
Philip Glass - Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters (soundtrack)
Toru Takemitsu - In an Autumn Garden
Arnold Schoenberg - String Quartet No. 2
Edgard Varese - Déserts

8/50

Hildur Guðnadóttir ‎- Without Sinking

I included this but could I get confirmation on whether it was notated?

Oh yeah, sorry, I have no idea. I assume it is, but I guess it could be improvised? I tried to google it, but couldn't find any definite info on the subject.

Prozession does seem to be scored, if unconventionally: http://stockhausenspace.blogspot.com/2014/10/opus-23-prozession.html

Charles Ives - Three Places in New England
John Barry - You Only Live Twice (soundtrack)

10/50

Re: Hildur Guðnadóttir... Googling reveals that she has written notated scores for at least some of her works. But I can't find any info whether Without Sinking was notated. Should it be disqualified?

I'm going to disqualify Without Sinking until we can confirm that it was notated.

I am out of nominations, but just want to remind everyone how great West Side Story is. Thanks.

Noodle, way to go with YOLT, very close to being my favorite Barry

was planning to check whether West Side Story had been nominated so cheers

Leonard Bernstein et al - West Side Story

11/50

yeah JnJ the title tune is my favourite Bond theme but the incidental music is great throughout

Morton Feldman - For Bunita Marcus
Meredith Monk - Dolmen Music
Sergei Prokofiev - Lieutenant Kijé
James Tenney - Critical Band

15/50

trying to work out if Ingram Marshall's "Hidden Voices" is notated or not

Okay, since Without Sinking was disqualified, I still have 6 noms, so here are my final ones:

Lasse Mårtenson - Myrskyluodon Maija (theme from the TV series of the same name)
Nancy van de Vate - Distant Worlds
Arvo Pärt - Cantus in memoriam Benjamin Britten
Noriko Hisada - Landscape, for 5 players
Benjamin Britten - Spring Symphony
Kaija Saariaho - Nymphéa, for string quartet and live electronics

50/50

heroes for Bernstein and Saariaho!

Frank Martin - Mass for Double Chorus
Herbert Howells - Take Him, Earth, For Cherishing
Herbert Howells - Requiem
Benjamin Britten - The Ballad of Little Musgrave and Lady Barnard
Benjamin Britten - Rejoice in the Lamb
Benjamin Britten - A.M.D.G.
Benjamin Britten - Hymn to St. Cecilia
Benjamin Britten - A Ceremony of Carols
John Tavener - Song For Athene
Aaron Copland - In the Beginning
Paul Mealor - Ubi Caritas
Arvo Pärt - De Profundis
Arvo Pärt - Magnificat
Aaron Copland - Four motets for mixed voices
Randall Thompson - Alleluia
Ralph Vaughn Williams - Three Shakespeare Songs
Charles Villiers Stanford - Three Latin Motets
Maurice Duruflé - Quatre motets sur des thèmes grégoriens
Charles Ives - Psalm 67
Gabriel Fauré - Requiem in D
Jonathan Dove - Seek him that maketh the seven stars
Daniel Pinkham - Christmas Cantata

22/50

yay i was pondering "Ceremony of Carols"

I'm definitely going to learn a lot about Britten during this poll

I just need to winnow my "things I've performed that I really, really loved" list down to 50 (note: I have never performed "Ceremony of Carols") to finish my nomination list

Dan, I already nominated Fauré's Requiem. :)

haha oops

21/50

There's a good chance it might be my #1 vote, actually... Though I'm not sure if that'd be against the spirit of the poll, because it's not really a modern-sounding work. (Some of Fauré's latter piano pieces feel pretty modern to me, though.)

Maurice Ravel - Piano Concerto for the Left Hand
William Duckworth - Time Curve Preludes
Alan Hovhaness - Prayer of Saint Gregory
Gustav Mahler - Das Lied von der Erde
Richard Strauss - Vier letzte Lieder
Gabriel Faure - Piano Trio
Maurice Ravel - Introduction and Allegro
Arnold Schoenberg - Verklarte Nacht
Claude Debussy - Sonata for Flute, Viola, and Harp
Richard Strauss - Metamorphosen
Sergei Rachmaninov - Isle Of The Dead
Igor Stravinsky - Symphony of Psalms
Claude Debussy - Jeux
David Lang - Depart
Krzysztof Penderecki - Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima
David Lang - Love Fail
Henryk Gorecki - Symphony No. 3 "Symphony of Sorrowful Songs"
Donnacha Dennehy - Grá agus bás
Alan Hovhaness - Symphony No. 2 "Mysterious Mountain"
Henri Dutilleux - Cello Concerto
Francis Poulenc - Concerto for Two Pianos
Maurice Ravel - Daphnis et Chloe
Maurice Ravel - La valse
Bohuslav Martinu - Les Fresques de Piero Della Francesca
Bohuslav Martinu - Symphony No. 6
Jacques Ibert - Escales
Charles Koechlin - Les Heures Persanes
Alban Berg - Violin Concerto
Ralph Vaughan Williams - Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Carl Nielsen - Symphony No. 4 "The Inextinguishable"
Alexander Scriabin - Le Poeme de L'extase
Karol Szymanowski - Harnasie
Leopold Godowsky - Studies on Chopin's Etudes
Johannes Brahms - Clarinet Quintet
Johannes Brahms - Four Pieces for Piano, Op. 119
Leos Janacek - On an Overgrown Path
36/50

Oh shiiiit way to fit late Brahms in there

Also, you included two things I was very very pained to omit (ravel left hand concerto and on an overgrown path) AND you opened up two of my current 50 for me (Debussy flute+viola+harp and <3 les heures persanes <3

OK this is eating at my brain too much, time to let go. Here's my 50, heavy on the singer + chamber ensemble and singer + orchestra works, and film scores of course (NB you are welcome to LOL at my film score choices but keep in mind these are not attestations of greatness for the films themselves -- though actually I do at least like almost all of these films [I have been clowned already on the board for repping Avatar and am prepared for a brisk clowning w/r/t repping Horner's brilliant portmanteau-of-everything-ever score])

1. Jean Sibelius – Symphony no. 6
2. Jean Sibelius – Luonnatar, tone poem for soprano and orchestra
3. Jean Sibelius – The Tempest, incidental music for the play
4. Maurice Ravel – Trois Poemes de Stephan Mallarme for soprano and chamber ensemble
5. George Crumb – Night of the Four Moons, song cycle after Lorca for soprano and chamber ensemble
6. George Crumb – Music for a Summer Evening for Two Pianos and Percussion (Makrokosmos III)
7. Carl Nielsen – Symphony no. 5
8. Ralph Vaughan Williams – Symphony no. 6
9. Ralph Vaughan Williams – On Wenlock Edge, song cycle for tenor and chamber ensemble
10. Arnold Bax – The Garden of Fand, tone poem
11. Sergei Prokofiev – Piano Sonata no. 7
12. Benjamin Britten – The Turn of the Screw, opera after Henry James
13. Dmitri Shostakovich – Symphony no. 14 (song cycle for two singers and orchestra)
14. Kalevi Aho – Rituals (Song Cycle + Viola Concerto + Symphony)
15. Witold Lutoslawski – Symphony no. 3
16. Leos Janacek – Capriccio for Piano (left hand) and Wind Instruments
17. Josef Suk – A Summer’s Tale for orchestra
18. Frederick Delius – Song of the High Hills for wordless chorus and orchestra
19. Karol Szymanowski – Violin Concerto no. 1
20. Leopold Godowsky – Java Suite (Phonoramas) for solo piano
21. Gustav Holst – Choral Hymns from the Rig Veda
22. Paul Chihara – Yulan, ‘acrobatic and dance extravaganza’ for traditional Chinese instruments and orchestra
23. Maurice Ohana - Office des Oracles for chorus and ensemble
24. Sergei Rachmaninoff – Symphonic Dances
25. William Walton – Symphony no. 1
26. Heitor Villa-Lobos – Choros no. 11 for orchestra
27. Gyorgy Kurtag – Messages of the Late Miss R.V. Troussova, song cycle for soprano and ensemble
28. Pehr Henrik Nordgren – Taivaanvalot (The Lights of Heaven), for finnish folk instruments, medieval instruments, chorus and orchestra
29. Kajia Saariaho – Clarinet Concerto “d’Om le Vrai Sens”
30. Jerry Goldsmith – Planet of the Apes, film score
31. Jerry Goldsmith – Alien, film score
32. Jerry Goldsmith – Total Recall, film score
33. Alex North – Spartacus, film score
34. Miklos Rozsa – The Lost Weekend, film score
35. Elmer Bernstein – To Kill A Mockingbird, film score
36. Franz Waxman – Sunset Boulevard, film score
37. Gerald Fried – Star Trek: Amok Time, television score
38. Georges Delerue – Something Wicked This Way Comes (unused film score)
39. Maurice Jarre – Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, film score
40. Bernard Herrmann – The Day the Earth Stood Still, film score
41. Bernard Herrmann – Mysterious Island, film score
42. Bernard Herrmann – North by Northwest, film score
43. Howard Shore – Crash, film score
44. Howard Shore – The Fellowship of the Ring, film score
45. James Horner – Avatar, film score
46. Henry Mancini – Lifeforce, film score
47. Christopher Young – A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge, film score
48. Jerry Fielding – The Mechanic, film score
49. Alexandre Desplat – The Luzhin Defense, film score
50. John Williams – Jaws, film score

Alice Coltrane - Going Home

Request for clarification as to the notated component here. As I gather, this is an arrangement of a gospel hymn that I thought A. Coltrane was improvising on.

I'm intrigued by a lot of Tuomas's choices. A bunch that I haven't heard of.

43. Howard Shore – Crash, film score

Will definitely be on my final ballot.

xpost The score to Prozession makes me never want to play classical percussion again.

Request for clarification as to the notated component here. As I gather, this is an arrangement of a gospel hymn that I thought A. Coltrane was improvising on.

The tune is credited to Alice Coltrane and Carlos Santana, so it's an original composition. Alice's solo organ obviously is at least partially improvised, but there must've been a written score for string orchestra. These are classical players, I can't imagine them playing by ear... And the credits also say "orchestra arranged and conducted by Alice Coltrane".

Xpost to WilliamC it's just such a cool instance of chamber deployment of electric guitars

30/50

john cage - credo in us
toru takemitsu - corona
steve reich - violin phase
jean barraqué - sonate pour piano
pierre boulez - le marteau sans maître
hans werner henze - violin concerto no. 2
peter maxwell davies - eight songs for a mad king
marc wilkinson - blood on satan's claw (soundtrack)
ornette coleman - dedication to poets and writers
alice coltrane - hare krishna (arranged by coltrane but transcribed by coleman, so...?)

Dmitri Shostakovich - Lady Macbeth of the Mtsensk District
Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov - The Legend of the Invisible City of Kitezh
Richard Strauss - Salome
Richard Strauss - Elektra
Giuseppe Verdi - Falstaff
Antonin Dvořák - Rusalka
György Ligeti - Mysteries of the Macabre
Harrison Birtwistle - Punch and Judy
Harrison Birtwistle - The Mask of Orpheus
Alexander Borodin - Prince Igor
Pyotr Tchaikovsky - Pique Dame
Giacomo Puccini - Tosca
Giacomo Puccini - Madama Butterfly
Giacomo Puccini - Manon Lescaut
Claude Debussy - Pelléas et Mélisande
Karol Szymanowski - Krol Roger
Bohuslav Martinů - Gilgameš
Alban Berg - Wozzeck
Igor Stravinsky - Oedipus Rex
Francis Poulenc - Dialogues of the Carmelites

I know Borodin had technically been dead three years by 1890 but Prince Igor wasn't completed and performed until then.

Ingram Marshall - Hidden Voices
Stephen Sondheim & Hugh Wheeler - Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Béla Bartók - Bluebeard's Castle
Arnold Schoenberg - Erwartung
Edgard Varèse - Density 21.5

any other notated pop/rock music.

Like everything Frank Sinatra ever recorded, for example.

Not really... In the 60s Sinatra recorded songs like "Yesterday" or "Mrs. Robinson" or "This Land Is Your Land" , which I doubt were originally composed in notated form.

I know Borodin had technically been dead three years by 1890 but Prince Igor wasn't completed and performed until then.

Wikipedia has a quote from Rimsky-Korsakov which says it was finished by 1888:

"During the season of 1888–9 the Directorate of Imperial Theatres began to lead us a fine dance with the production of Prince Igor, which had been finished, published, and forwarded to the proper authorities. We were led by the nose the following season as well, with constant postponements of production for some reason or other. On October 23, 1890, Prince Igor was produced at last, rehearsed fairly well by K. A. Kuchera, as Nápravník had declined the honor of conducting Borodin's opera. "

IMO it shouldn't matter if it was only performed in 1890, because we're polling compositions and not performances. Otherwise this poll could include loads and loads of works that were completed way before 1890 but only performed posthumously, like Saint-Saëns' Carnival of the Animals, which was composed in the 1880's but only published and performed in 1922.

How does something like this fit in:

play a tone for so long
until you hear its individual vibrations

Hold the tone
and listen to the tones of the others

- to all of them together, not to individual ones –

and slowly move your tone
until you arrive at complete harmony
and the whole sound turns to gold
to pure, gently shimmering

... fire

(LOL)

that's notation

^ Imagining that said like in a 40s/50s' musical

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0S6b7_Z404

"Aus den Sieben Tagen" is fine, as is any other text-based or graphic notation.

Like everything Frank Sinatra ever recorded, for example.

Much pre-rock pop, especially most Tin Pan Alley-style pop, is definitely fair game. I even gave the example of "St. Louis Blues" in the OP. If you nominate "Nancy With the Laughing Face", you are nominating the van Heusen/Cahn composition, though, not Sinatra's recording.

I think just about any Stockhausen would fit, except for the unaccompanied tape pieces.

*van Heusen/Silver, sorry! I was thinking of "Love and Marriage", there.

I've added rushomancy's first 39 and wow! A lot there I didn't know. Everything I've checked out has been good. Are you a percussionist?

The tune is credited to Alice Coltrane and Carlos Santana, so it's an original composition. Alice's solo organ obviously is at least partially improvised, but there must've been a written score for string orchestra. These are classical players, I can't imagine them playing by ear... And the credits also say "orchestra arranged and conducted by Alice Coltrane".

AMG lists the composer as "Traditional" for this piece. I don't own the album. Is the composition credited to Coltrane/Santana in the liner notes? I listened to three vocal performances of the gospel song (Paul Robeson, Jane Froman, Aaron Neville) as well as Dvorak's adaptation. Barring further information, I'm not sure that A. Coltrane's adaptation qualifies as an original notated composition for this poll: it's definitely a loose interpretation but I would attribute this to her improvisation. The orchestral writing mostly seems to me like an arrangement of the song. I like Alice Coltrane a lot and am totally up for including other things by her btw.

anybody know if comus' "malgaard suite" was notated? whenever lindsay cooper gets involved i start suspecting notation...

I couldn't find an answer. Anyone else?

Is the composition credited to Coltrane/Santana in the liner notes?

Yes, it is. That's why I assumed it was an original composition. Santana doesn't even appear on the album, but Coltrane and him were collaborating around the time, so the credit is not odd in that sense. Of course it could be a mistake, but that's what the liner notes say.

I listened to three vocal performances of the gospel song (Paul Robeson, Jane Froman, Aaron Neville) as well as Dvorak's adaptation.

Interesting, I didn't realize it is the same as on Dvorak's symphony. However, Wikipedia has this to say about Dvorak:

The theme from the Largo was adapted into the spiritual-like song "Goin' Home", often mistakenly considered a folk song or traditional spiritual, by Dvořák's pupil William Arms Fisher, who wrote the lyrics in 1922.

If it is indeed the same theme on the Coltrane tune, I guess it should be credited to Dvorak then? But if that's your judgment, I'd rather change my nomination, not a huge fan of Dvorak.

Yeah, that's interesting. More reading suggests that the tune did originate with Dvorak. AMG just seems to be wrong then. Not the first time. I do think the Coltrane tune could be considered an adaptation, though. Berkman's book describes it as her setting of the Dvorak theme.

I have decided I'm definitely too much of a dilettante to vote in this. There are lots of tracks/pieces nominated that I love, but so many I don't know that I feel like I wouldn't be giving proper representation to "what is best" here. Also things like Art Bears, who are one of my favourite bands, I still couldn't feel comfortable nominating or voting for as I really don't know their writing process so it'd just be a guess that it was scored. I am going to try to listen along to the results, though.

For those of you who are into graphic scores, a friend of mine made this cool twitterbot you might like: https://twitter.com/GraphicScoreBot

I've added rushomancy's first 39 and wow! A lot there I didn't know. Everything I've checked out has been good. Are you a percussionist?

― Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r)

nah i don't play music at all. i spent a year lurking on /r/classicalmusic on reddit; that's where most of it comes from.

i hope nobody feels like they're a dilettante on my account, because i'm just as much of a dilettante as anyone! frankly i think we need more people to rep for the more popular end of the canon. i just keep waiting and waiting for somebody to nom, for instance, "rhapsody in blue", and nobody's done it yet.

Well, we've got a tonne of film scores in there, as well as Lloyd Webber and Bernstein, not to mention seven Sibelius pieces. I've no doubt that Rhapsody in Blue and Appalachian Spring will make it in before the deadline passes. (I still have 47 nominations btw.)

29. Kajia Saariaho – Clarinet Concerto “d’Om le Vrai Sens”

I never listened to this before. It's great!

Can a relative notated music dunce make a request? Any chance some brave soul could make a Spotify playlist for some/all of this stuff?

It would be great if someone were up for that (although I'm finding that updating the spreadsheet is keeping me busy enough atm). If you can access Naxos Music Library through a school or library, most of the list could probably be streamed that way, as well.

there's tons of musical theatre/film score stuff i could still nominate, also tons of stuff by composers already well represented, i keep pausing to think about glaring stuff i might have forgotten

alice coltrane - hare krishna (arranged by coltrane but transcribed by coleman, so...?)

Again, the composer is listed as "Traditional" on AMG ( with AMG caveats) but, tbh, I find it harder to pick out the traditional melody here than it is to pick out Dvorak's theme in "Going Home". If they list it as an original composition in the notes to the album, I might accept this.

I'm working on the Spotify playlist. Hopefully another day or so.

It's the entire pieces, not just track selections, so shuffling it will be odd (too bad there's no Album Shuffle mode on Spotify...)

Wow, thanks, Jon!

rad, i'm into it.

I'm up to halfway through no lime tangier's nominations

Btw sund4r who do you like for the villa lobos

Parkening is good.

You did that many in a couple of hours today??

Spreadsheet = fully up to date

No I've been chipping away at it since Friday

alice coltrane - hare krishna (arranged by coltrane but transcribed by coleman, so...?)

Again, the composer is listed as "Traditional" on AMG ( with AMG caveats) but, tbh, I find it harder to pick out the traditional melody here than it is to pick out Dvorak's theme in "Going Home". If they list it as an original composition in the notes to the album, I might accept this.

I have this album and "Hare Krishna" listed as traditional in the credits. That's why I asked about it upthread, because I would've wanted to nominate it myself.

As for my "Going Home" nomination, you can scratch that off, even if it's technically legit (since the Dvorak symphony is from 1890s). I'll think of something else to replace it.

John Cage – First Construction in Metal
Arnold Schoenberg – Piano Suite
Karlheinz Stockhausen – Kreuzspiel
Milton Babbitt- Philomel
Alberto Ginastera – Sonata for Guitar
Reginald Smith Brindle – El Polifemo de Oro
Karlheinz Stockhausen - Kontakte

10/50

Dmitry Shostakovich – String Quartet no. 8
Claude Vivier – Lonely Child
Bela Bartok – 14 Bagatelles, op. 6
Anton Webern – Concerto for Nine Instruments, op. 24
Arnold Schoenberg – String Quartet no. 3
Gyorgy Ligeti – Violin Concerto
Duke Ellington – Ko-Ko

Steve Reich - Music for 18 Musicians

18/50

Steve Reich - Tehillim
19/50

U Totem – One Nail Draws Another
Julia Wolfe – Steel Hammer
Glenn Branca – Symphony no. 6
Glenn Branca – Symphony no. 13
John Zorn – Cobra
Pauline Oliveros – Six for New Time

25/50

I have this album and "Hare Krishna" listed as traditional in the credits. That's why I asked about it upthread, because I would've wanted to nominate it myself.

whoops, should have checked inside the cover rather than relying on wikipedia (it really is a beautiful piece of music)

"Aus den Sieben Tagen" is fine

so tempted to nominate^ but have only made it through the whole thing once!

taking my count up to 35:

iannis xenakis - nuits
olivier messiaen - cinq rechants
peter maxwell davies - revelation and fall
harrison birtwistle - ...agm...
steve reich - phase patterns
sam rivers - colours

Arvo Pärt - Tabula Rasa
Arvo Pärt - Fratres

2/50

also: if the art bears' rats & monkeys makes it past the notation test, i most definitely nominate that...

Pärt wrote several different versions of "Fratres" for different instruments, I think you should define which version you mean.

(xpost)

And IIRC there are different versions ot Tabula Rasa as well...

According to Wikipedia:

Pärt released two versions of Tabula Rasa in 1977. The first is scored for two solo violins, prepared piano, and string chamber orchestra. The second is scored for solo violin and solo viola, prepared piano, and string chamber orchestra.

I think the two-violin version is the better known one? Probably no need to differentiate between the two. But the various versions of Fratres are quite different from each other.

I think they're all included on this CD, if you want to compare the different versions.

Iannis Xenakis - Pithoprakta

26/50

Going to agree with Tuomas re: Fratres

Okay, here's my final nomination, to replace "Going Home":

Alice Coltrane - Galaxy in Satchidananda

50/50

No one has posted any Luigi Nono?! wtf?!

Anyway just thinking out loud. I'll nom one - but seriously we should get more in. Other ppl we haven't got to nom but I'll put one in: Lachenmann, Holliger (c'mon ppl they are legends and are ALIVE!).

More dead ppl yet to nom: Maderna, Bussotti (s'ok I'll take care of it)

wrt Takemitsu we cannot forget his soundtracks. Must get more mid-70s Dutch minimalism (if we are going to rate Strav..) I'll put on a power suit and get cracking on selecting something from my Hans Joachim Hespos archive.

Thinking also of George Lewis' "Homage to Charles Parker". So good. Guess there is some improv but the electronics are all composerly sounding (er mad machines crashing around in a bunker, like a lot of the stuff we know is scored etc). One for the open form.

Compiling a list. I'll post probably half of it at the weekend.

More alive: Christian Wolff.

George Lewis' "Homage to Charles Parker"

One of my favorite pieces of music of all time. I'll nominate it if it's not nominated by the time I get around to doing the rest of mine.

Fratres for strings then?

Which version of the ones listed here do you mean? String quartet, string orchestra with percussion, cellos, ...?

Actually, I'm going to reverse my decision. I'll admit that Pärt is a relative blind spot for me. Reading more about Fratres and listening to a few versions, my sense is that the basic compositional idea is consistent enough to regard these are different arrangements.

The version of Fratres that captivates me so much is the one with viola, string orchestra and percussion. This version is performed with a violin to perfection here:
https://youtu.be/YtuKr1KkU_I

I had no idea there were that many variations on this piece for different instruments! I was aware of a cello and piano variation but that was about it. Wow!

I'd def recommend that Naxos recording with all the versions on it, it's quite good! The players are lesser known as per usual with Naxos budget CDs, but it's quality stuff.

This poll needs more nominations!

Kate Soper – Only the Words Themselves Mean What They Say
Jennifer Higdon – Zaka
Philip Glass – Music in Similar Motion
Aaron Copland – Appalachian Spring
Terry Riley - In C
George Gershwin – Rhapsody in Blue
Frank Zappa – Peaches en Regalia
W. C. Handy – St. Louis Blues
Harold Arlen and E. Y. Harburg – Over the Rainbow
Jack Strachey and Eric Maschwitz – These Foolish Things
Luciano Berio – Sequenza III (for female voice)
Luciano Berio – Sequenza XI (for guitar)
R. Murray Schafer – Requiem for the Party Girl
Kaija Saariaho – Emilie

40/50

Heavy hitters with no noms so far: Ades, Murail, Ferneyhough

John Luther Adams! I'm starting to feel bad about nominating some of these poppy things.

Ferneyhough

Got it covered. I'll try and find space for Murail. Don't care for Ades.

Tristan Murail - Tellur
Richard Barrett - transmission

42/50

Elliott Carter - String Quartet no. 2

43/50

Also absent: Hindemith, Cowell

Yeah I gave none to John Luther Adams bc I was like shit other ppl will take care of that for me

For anyone who hasn't heard the Soper, here's a link: https://vimeo.com/50375211

I'd easily rank it as one of the best pieces in recent memory.

I've just been revisiting Hindemith! (While reading about the Smiths). I think I will endeavour to vote in this after all. Depending on the size of the ballots I would like to have these as options, for starters.

Pierre Boulez - Rituel in memoriam Bruno Maderna
Friedrich Cerha - Spiegel-Momentum-Momente
Georg Friedrich Haas - Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich...
Hans Werner Henze - Symphony No. 6
Paul Hindemith - Symphonie 'Mathis der Maler'
Bruno Maderna - Quadrivium
Darius Milhaud - L'Homme et son désir, 'poème plastique'
Luigi Nono - Como una ola de fuerza y luz
Luigi Nono - Prometeo
Luigi Nono - La lontananza nostalgica utopica futura
[10/50]

Claude Debussy - Khamma
Abel Decaux - Clairs de lune
George Enescu - String Octet, Op. 7
Charles Ives - The Unanswered Question
Witold Lutoslawski - Funeral Music
Witold Lutoslawski - Livre pour orchestre
Olivier Messiaen - Cantéyodjayâ
Maurice Ravel - Piano Concerto in G
Wolfgang Rihm - Jagden und Formen
Alexander Zemlinsky - String Quartet No. 4

[20/50]

Holy shit, how did I forget "The Unanswered Question"?

khamma HOLLA

Carl Orff - Carmina Burana
Heitor Villa-Lobos - Floresta do Amazonas
Waldo de los Ríos - Suite sudamericana
Joaquín Rodrigo - Concierto de Aranjuez
Isaac Albéniz - Asturias (Leyenda)
Ariel Ramírez - Misa Criolla
Krzysztof Penderecki - De natura sonoris No. 1
Krzysztof Penderecki - De natura sonoris No. 2
Ornette Coleman - Skies of America
Carl Stalling - Anxiety Montage

10/50

Some essential picks in there.

Luigi Nono - Como una ola de fuerza y luz
Luigi Nono - Prometeo
Luigi Nono - La lontananza nostalgica utopica futura

Good good.

I'll make a note to select an Ives, and a Henze as well.

Also Dumitrescu, Radulescu as the Romanians. Spahlinger. Jakob Ullmann. Look through ed.RZ

Apparently, I never listened to enough Nono. Really enjoying this.

Sciarrino! Donatoni! Wyschnegradsky!

Adams! Torke!

Donatoni!

Covering that.

Someone choose a string quartet by Gloria Coates - not sure if I'll be able to.

no 5 will do

Charles Ives - Universe Symphony (Austin edition) (incomplete, 1915-28)
Lou Harrison - Concerto in Slendro (1961)
Sylvano Bussotti - O Atti Vocali (1965-66)
Jean Barraque - Chant Apres Chant (1966)
Bernd Alois Zimmermann - Intercomunicazione (1967)
David Tudor - Rainforest (1968)
Luigi Nono - Non Consumiamo Marx (1969)
Hans Werner Henze - El Cimarron (1969-1970)
Isang Yun - Glisses (1970)
James Tenney - August Harp (1971)
Iannis Xenakis - Polytope De Cluny (1972-74)
Clarence Barlow - Relationships for Melody Instruments (1974)
Luciano Berio - Coro (1974-6)
Mauricio Kagel - Staastheater (1975)
Louis Andriessen - Worker's Union (1975)
Heinz Holliger - Studie Uber Mehrklange For Oboe (1975)
Lou Reed - Metal Machine Music (1975)
Walter Zimmermann - Die Spanische Reise des Oswald von Wolkenstein (1976)*
Helmut Lachenmann - Salut fur Caldwell (1977)
Michael Finnissy - English Country Tunes (1977)
Kevin Volans - Walking Song (1984)
Gloria Coates - String Qt.5 (1988)
Tom Johnson - Narayana's Cows (1989)
Toru Takemitsu - Rikyu (1989)
Christopher DeLaurenti - N30: Live at the WTO Protest November 30, 1999 (erm 1999)

25/50

Tried to make sure all of it is on youtube/soundcloud

* I wanted Locale Musik but its not on there so this was more of a discovery as I had to have something by Walter Zimmermann.

Real England

I've never listened to Metal Machine Music, but I thought it was just Reed improvising on the electric guitar? Was it really composed in notated form?

the specifications on the back cover could be read as a form of acceptable notation as set out above, no? whether they were created after the fact or not is another matter, though.

I dunno, a lot of synth bands back in the day had detailed lists of their gear and settings in their album notes, if that + a few generic descriptions of the music style are valid notation, then were stepping into a grey territory where sone synth pop albums might he eligible too.

I'm going to agree with Tuomas on MMM (and this one I know p well), unless someone can show that it was composed in notated form and Reed wasn't just listing the gear he used.

AVOIDANCE OF ANY TYPE OF ATONALITY

anyway, 5 more:

maki ishii - sō-gū ii
nguyễn thiên đạo - may
györgy ligeti - aventures
györgy ligeti - nouvelles aventures
witold lutosławski - concerto for orchestra

though given mmm was later notated (i think) for the zeitkratzer performance it would suggest no available previous score, so... :-/

I was concentrating a bit more on the process/result so fair enough.

I'll replace it with:

Anthony Braxton - To My Friend Kenny McKenny

I know we never got to the bottom of the question as to whether this is notated or not. But he is a composer so..

John Luther Adams - Become Ocean
John Adams - Nixon in China
Steve Reich - Sextet
Gavin Bryars - Jesus' Blood Never Failed Me Yet
Gavin Bryars - The Sinking of the Titanic
Arvo Pärt - Passio
Carl Nielsen - Springtime on Funen
Carl Nielsen - Wind Quintet
Carl Nielsen - Maskerade
Palle Mikkelborg - A Noone of Night
Rued Langgaard - Rosengaardsviser
Rued Langgaard - Antikrist
Per Norgaard - Agnus Dei
Duke Ellington - A Concert of Sacred Music

So many groovy things nominated as it is. Hopefully we can vote for several hundred pieces...after allowing 6 months for contemplation. ;)

Béla Bartók - The Wooden Prince
Leoš Janáček - Sinfonietta
Zoltán Kodály - Háry János Suite
Helmut Lachenmann - Gran Torso
Helmut Lachenmann - Mouvement (—vor der Erstarrung)
Nikolai Medtner - Piano Concerto No. 3
Federico Mompou - Musica Callada
Andrzej Panufnik - Arbor Cosmica
Allan Pettersson - Symphony No. 7
Albert Roussel - Symphony No.2

[30/50]

David Tudor - Rainforest (1968)

I'm not clear on what the notated component is with this piece. Could you clarify?

Luigi Nono - Non Consumiamo Marx (1969)

Same with this.

Olivier Messiaen - L'Ascension

That one's already in the list.

I'm not clear on what the notated component is with this piece. Could you clarify?

cf.

Iannis Xenakis - Polytope De Cluny (1972-74)
Christopher DeLaurenti - N30: Live at the WTO Protest November 30, 1999

Recorded EA music that was not conceived/created in notated form is excluded for the purposes of this poll.

nguyễn thiên đạo - may

Is this Suoi Lung May or is there a piece called May?

I've no idea, just assume a lot of that work is notated like Kontakte or such like. Yes the De Laurenti is a recording of a riot s def get rid of that one.

Are you going to allow the Braxton in? Let me know how many you are striking off so I can try and get to 50 by the end of the week. xp

According to this book, the Braxton piece is "Composition no. 8G". Since all of the numbered Braxton compositions I know of have some sort of score, I will accept this, unless there is reason to believe otherwise.

xp

Kontakte includes notated parts for acoustic piano and percussion, with graphical representation of the electronic sounds for the live performers to follow along. A lot of live electronic music would fit in but most (but not all) recorded/'tape' EA music doesn't really belong.

The spreadsheet is up to date again.

i passed this on to my gf who is a music teacher, she has a ballot to submit. I'm gonna just watch from the sidelines.

21 to be going on with...

Pierre Boulez - Répons
William Walton - Belshazzar's Feast
Edward Elgar - Cello Concerto
George Gershwin - An American In Paris
Charles Ives - Symphony No.4
Edgard Varèse - Arcana
Olivier Messiaen - Des canyons aux étoiles
Olivier Messiaen - Les corps glorieux
John Cage - Branches
Herbert Howells - The St. Paul's Service (Magnificat & Nunc Dimittis)
Camille Saint-Saëns - The Carnival of the Animals
Krzysztof Penderecki - Symphony No.1
Dmitri Shostakovich - Symphony No. 11 in G minor - 'The Year 1905'
Anton Webern - Six Pieces for Large Orchestra, Op.6
Witold Lutosławski - Variations on a theme by Paganini for two pianos
Luciano Berio - Concerto for Two Pianos
Luciano Berio - A-Ronne
Igor Stravinsky - Symphonies of Wind Instruments
John Adams - Shaker Loops
John Adams - Harmonium
John Adams - A Short Ride in a Fast Machine

Anton Webern - Six Pieces for Large Orchestra, Op.6

Just about to get that one in - probably the first piece of classical to make a big impact

Replacement entries for Xenakis and Nono:

Iannis Xenakis - Aurora (1971)
Luigi Nono - Fragmente-Stille, an Diotima (1980)

[24/50]

Nice. Quite a few things that had crossed my mind in these last two posts alone.

Sergei Rachmaninov - Piano Concertos 1-4
Sergey Prokofiev - Violin Concertos 1+2
Dmitri Shostakovich - Concerto for Violin and Orchestra in A Minor

(7/50)

Camille Saint-Saëns - The Carnival of the Animals

Is this actually eligible? Wikipedia says it was finished in 1886, and Saint-Saëns gave a couple of private performances of it in that year. He didn't want it to be played publically until after his death, which is why the first public performance was only in the 1920s... But if we're going by the first performance date, that'd mean some Bach pieces would eligible too.

Is this Suoi Lung May or is there a piece called May?

yeah, it's may, a solo percussion piece from the early seventies. the other one seems to be a much later composition from what i can make out (not familiar with it).

13 from my gal

Gershwin's "American In Paris"
Stravinsky's Infernal Dance of King Kashchey"
Stravinsky's "The Rakes Progress"
Arvo Pärt "Spiegel im Spiegel" for violin and piano
Faure's Requiem, "Pie Jesu", "Introit", "In Paradisum"
Mussorgsky's "Gates Of Kiev"
Gluck - "Orfeo and Eurydice"
Joaquin Rodrigo - Suite para piano: Bouree
6 Klavierstucke, Op. 118, No. 2 in A Major, Intermezzo, Andante-Brahms
Amy Beach Children's Album, Op. 36: No.2: Gavotte
Amy Beach Children't Album, Op. 36 No. 3: Waltz

I think American in Paris is nominated, and Infernal Dance is part of the Firebird (nom'd)

Faure's Requiem was also nominated by me.

cool, please remove any doubles?

And the Mussorgsky piece is sadly ineligible, having been composed in the 1870s and first published in the 1880s.

Is that playlist live? If not, I could look into building one I suppose...

xpost

Is this actually eligible? Wikipedia says it was finished in 1886

Wow, really? I've always associated this with the spirit of the 1920s or '30s. But strike it out by all means.

Friedrich Cerha - Spiegel-Momentum-Momente

I was careless the other day. The Cerha piece is Spiegel, the remainder being distinct compositions tacked onto the Kairos issue. Sorry!

I also convinced myself the following were already nominated, so let's make it so now:

Bela Bartok - Piano Concerto No.1
Bela Bartok - Piano Concerto No.2

[32/50]

Heitor Villa-Lobos - Five Preludes for guitar
Arvo Pärt - My Heart's in the Highlands
Claude Debussy - Arabesques
Lou Harrison - Scenes from Nek Chand
Arthur Russell - Instrumentals
David Axelrod - Songs of Innocence

(9)

the last two are quite loosely scored I think, but notated. someone here probably knows better

a little clean-up:

duke ellington- the afro-eurasian eclipse
carl orff- trionfo di afrodite (i think i already nominated catulli carmina but not this, right?)

Galina Ustvolskaya - Duet for Cello/piano (1950)
Christian Wolff - Burdocks (1971) (played by SY on SYR 1999)
George Lewis - Homage to Charles Parker (1977)
Franco Donatoni - Spiri (1977)
Matthias Spahlinger - Extension (1979-80)
Richard Emsley - The Juniper Tree (1981)*
Julius Eastman - Prelude to the Holy Presence of Joan d'Arc (1981)
Klaus K. Hübler - "Feuerzauber" auch Augenmusik (1981)
Bryan Ferneyhough - Etude Transcendentale (1982-85)
Elena Firsova - Mandelstam Cantatas (1984-94)
James Dillon - Windows and Canopies (1985)
Chris Dench - Sulle Escale Della Fenice (1986)
Richard Barrett - CHARON (1994-95) (from "Opening of the Mouth")
Jakob Ullmann: A Catalogue of Sounds (1995-97)
Ian Willcock - A Book of Maps (1996)*
Peter Ablinger - Voices and Piano (1997-)**
James Erber - Strange Moments of Intimacy (1999-2001)
Franklin Cox - Shift (2002)*
Jason Eckhardt - 16 (2002-08)
Alaistair Zaldua - Brumaires (2008-09)
Mark Osborn - [Placeholder to fill in later/friday eve, can't remember the composition rn]*

* to be uploaded, everything else is on youtube
** excerpts - not completed, although that is not important - what I've heard so far is brill.

[45/50]

I think that's it. Really don't have anything else..

Sorry the Ullmann is not on YT...and that's too big to upload (and also bad).

Tuomas = correct about Mussorgsky and Saint-Saens

any point arguing for the Ravel orchestration of Mussorgsky, which is 1930s?

Morton Feldman - Crippled Symmetry
Morton Feldman - Why Patterns?

2/50

The Gluck is disqualified on grounds of being completed in 1762.

xps Orchestrations/arrangements of earlier material don't count for this poll, unless there is something radical enough about the orchestration to justify its inclusion as a new composition, which would not apply in the Ravel/Mussorgsky case, I think.

i feel like Pictures at an Exhibition is predominantly known nowadays thru Ravel's version - i'm sure it's how i first heard it - but i wouldn't push the point

6 Klavierstucke, Op. 118, No. 2 in A Major, Intermezzo, Andante-Brahms
Amy Beach Children's Album, Op. 36: No.2: Gavotte
Amy Beach Children't Album, Op. 36 No. 3: Waltz

I'm including the whole collection in both of these cases.

the last two are quite loosely scored I think, but notated. someone here probably knows better

Both definitely seem to be notated music. I am including them.

I don't know the piece but this review is hilarious: http://www.allmusic.com/album/extension-1979-1980-mw0000415105

Extension does push a certain way of thinking about sound but if you are familiar with Helmut Lachenmann, and then A Catalogue of Sounds comes along about twenty years later as another sideways push.

I think that review - I mean it is clueless (the form and content line), but its something that almost only avant-garde classical music can do in terms of evoking that incoherent reaction from someone who thinks he is in the know and everything. Something that happens to all of us sometime. I think mass-selling pop is the only other music that can do that - but its wrapped around a personality that you have to contend with, not so much the music made.

Leonard Bernstein - Chichester Psalms
Leonard Bernstein - Candide
Jaakko Mäntyjärvi - Four Shakespeare Songs
Benjamin Britten - Young Person's Guide to the Orchestra

18/50

Hans Abrahamsen - Wind Quintet No. 2 "Walden"
Hans Abrahamsen - Schnee
Hans Abrahamsen - Let Me Tell You
Milton Babbitt - String Quartet No. 2
Arnold Schoenberg - String Quartet No. 1
Alban Berg - Piano Sonata, Op. 1
Alban Berg - String Quartet, Op. 3
Iannis Xenakis - Metastaseis (title also given as Metastasis)
Michel van der Aa - Violin Concerto
Sven-Erik Bäck - Favola
Richard Barrett - Dark Matter
Nicolas Bacri - Symphony No. 4, Op. 49 "Classique Sturm und Drang"
Karlheinz Stockhausen - Kontra-Punkte
Gilbert Amy - Chant
Anton Webern - Five Movements for String Quartet (or string orchestra), Op. 5
Ernest Bloch - Concerto Grosso No. 1
William Walton - Cello Concerto

17/50

Georges Delerue - Le Mépris [film score]
Luc Ferrari - Tautologos 3
Iannis Xenakis - Tetras
Alfred Schnittke - Concerto Grosso No.1
Toru Takemitsu - November Steps

[37/50]

Alfred Schnittke - Labyrinths
Charles Ives - The General Slocum
Julia Wolfe – Big Beautiful Dark and Scary
Julia Wolfe – Cruel Sister
Julia Wolfe – Fuel
Julia Wolfe – Stronghold (for Eight Double Basses)
Louis Andriessen – De Staat
Louis Andriessen – Hoketus
Louis Andriessen – Workers Union

[9/50]

That's my lot, probably, as most of my small collection of classical/compositional music has thankfully already been nominated. I'm pretty sure these are all notated.

Louis Andriessen – Workers Union

Nominated that btw.

ooops my mistake

Oh damn of course!:

Kurt Schwitters - Ursonate

That was 18/50.

Can we have a year earlier to listen to and discuss the noms before voting?

Heh, I was just trying to imagine how long it would take someone to listen to every single nomination. I think a few months would probably be justified, at least.

Ornette Coleman – Lonely Woman
Morton Feldman – Piano and String Quartet
John Cage – Williams Mix
John Cage – 4'33"
John Cage – Indeterminacy
John Cage – First Construction (In Metal)
John Oswald – Spectre
Robert Wyatt – Moon in June
Jonny Greenwood – Popcorn Superhet Receiver
Laurie Anderson – O Superman
Pauline Oliveros – Crone Music
Pauline Oliveros – Primordial Lift
Brian Eno – Discreet Music
Robert Fripp & Brian Eno – The Heavenly Music Corporation
Susie Ibarra – Gawain Ng Pamilya
Toru Takemitsu – Kwaidan
Frank Zappa - Revised Music for Low Budget Orchestra
Frank Zappa – Approximate
Frank Zappa - The Black Page
Frank Zappa – The Black Page No. 2
Frank Zappa – RDNZL

23/50

John Zorn – Spillane
John Zorn – IAO
John Zorn – Grand Guignol
John Zorn – Redbird

27/40

27/50, rather

I could fill out the rest of my nominations with 23 worthwhile FZ pieces but then there's the problem of vote-splitting in the next stage. Though, Zappa's unlikely to place much in the final results, so why not? He's the only composer I've really dedicated any proper listening to during my life.

I've nominated First Construction already.

I didn't think the Fripp/Eno collaborations were notated? My understanding was that Fripp's lines were completely improvised.

I'm also not clear on what the notated component is with these:

Ornette Coleman – Lonely Woman
Brian Eno – Discreet Music
Pauline Oliveros – Crone Music
Susie Ibarra – Gawain Ng Pamilya
Laurie Anderson – O Superman

In some cases, I can believe that they are notated but just wasn't sure.

3xp

Also, re Indeterminacy: I don't know this one so well. My understanding was that it is Cage reading while Tudor plays selections from other pieces of his. Was this notated as a new composition?

My feeling is that the diagram Eno published on the back of the Discreet Music LP should be enough to cover the generative music that he created and that he and Fripp created together. If you don't think it qualifies, fine.

I'm not going to hunt down proof of notation on any of the others. Include or delete as you will.

That seems fair for Discreet Music, actually, given that it is a generative piece. I'm considering whether that means MMM should be included as well.

Benjamin Britten - String Quartet No.2
Henri Dutilleux - Timbres, espace, mouvement
Henri Dutilleux - Violin Concerto 'L'arbre des songes'
Alberto Ginastera - Cello Concerto No.2
Bohuslav Martinů - Symphony No.3
Darius Milhaud - La création du monde
Sergei Prokofiev - Alexander Nevsky
Sergei Prokofiev - Scythian Suite

[45/50]

Krzysztof Penderecki - Polymorphia
Christian Marclay – Shuffle
Earle Brown – String Quartet
John Luther Adams – Inuksuit
Scott Joplin – The Maple Leaf Rag
John Cage – The Seasons
Owen Pallett – Heartland
Brian Ferneyhough – Cassandra’s Dream Song

50/50

50/50

peter warlock - the curlew
mauricio kagel - exotica
iannis xenakis - akrata
krzysztof penderecki - psalmus
luboš fišer - patnáct listu podle dürerovy apokalypsy
morton subotnick - silver apples of the moon
jean eichelberger ivey - pinball
cathy berberian - stripsody
annea lockwood - piano burning
la monte young - composition 1960 #7

there are a couple of questionable ones in there that may lead to exclusion. the only references i can find to a score for psalmus are mentions of a working draft that penderecki took into the studio before starting work on the recording.

"I could fill out the rest of my nominations with 23 worthwhile FZ pieces but then there's the problem of vote-splitting in the next stage. Though, Zappa's unlikely to place much in the final results, so why not? He's the only composer I've really dedicated any proper listening to during my life."

see, i think this is one reason zappa gets comparatively so little respect- because there are a lot of folks whose knowledge of 20th century classical goes from z to z. i do think that some of zappa's work is exceptional ("outrage at valdez" comes immediately to mind for me), but most of his strongest advocates as a Serious Composer (including me, in years past) haven't heard much in the way of, say, shostakovich, or schnittke, or rautavaara, and that's kind of a shame, because they're all great composers whose best work is well worth hearing.

yow, just realized deadline for this is tomorrow! All my noms are used, but can anyone think of glaring omissions? Great big band stuff a la Stan Kenton, Count Basie, Buddy Rich, etc? Musicals? Other notated prog? Notated metal??

Mica Levi – Under the Skin (film score)

27/50

see, i think this is one reason zappa gets comparatively so little respect- because there are a lot of folks whose knowledge of 20th century classical goes from z to z. i do think that some of zappa's work is exceptional ("outrage at valdez" comes immediately to mind for me), but most of his strongest advocates as a Serious Composer (including me, in years past) haven't heard much in the way of, say, shostakovich, or schnittke, or rautavaara, and that's kind of a shame, because they're all great composers whose best work is well worth hearing.

Guilty as charged. My knowledge of classical and "modern classical" is terrible.

filling the chamber-cloud:

Sergey Prokofiev - String Quartet No. 1
Elliott Carter - String Quartet No. 1
Rafal Augustyn - Quartet No. 2 1/2 "Grand jete"
Edward Elgar - Piano Quintet in A major, Op. 84
Olivier Greif - String Quartet No. 4 "Ulysses"
Jean Sibelius - String Quartet in D minor "Voces intimae", Op. 56

24/50

"Guilty as charged. My knowledge of classical and "modern classical" is terrible."

hey, we can't know everything, but hopefully this poll will inspire people to dig more into it!

I'm not his biggest fan but am feeling a last minute compulsion to expand the Shostakovich SQ presence. (Possibly idiosyncratic choices though!?!)

Dmitry Shostakovich - String Quartet No.13
Dmitry Shostakovich - String Quartet No.15
Ruth Crawford Seeger - String Quartet

[48/50]

we still have no cowell

ah yes, don't have my favourite cowell CD on hand - have a few noms left I won't get to use.

Looking forward to hearing a few of the noms. I imagine I won't be able to give everything I haven't heard a once over. Don't really do Mahler or Sibelius so I'll concentrate on canonical stuff like that I ignored.

yow, just realized deadline for this is tomorrow! All my noms are used, but can anyone think of glaring omissions? Great big band stuff a la Stan Kenton, Count Basie, Buddy Rich, etc? Musicals? Other notated prog? Notated metal??

― Dominique, Friday, 11 March 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My approach was one composer one composition. and then what was on YT became another filter. Shame as I quite like to hear a few bits and pieces from all of these (didn't even know there was a thing called notated metal)

Glaring omission that I'd definitely vote for are the Mary Poppins and Empire Strikes Back soundtracks, though I can live with them not being included.

Salvatore Sciarrino - Shadow of Sound
Karl Amadeus Hartmann - Concerto funebre

[50/50]

Well, whatever happens to the nominations, this was already a worthwhile exercise if only because I dug out a bunch of stuff I haven't heard for a while. Now to start on those noms I've never even heard of!

(didn't even know there was a thing called notated metal

Please no-one tell Louis.

Other key omissions: New World Symphony!, Joplin's Treemonisha, first two volumes of Crumb's Makrokosmos, most classic TPA (Irving Berlin, Cole Porter, ...), the Ades violin concerto. I might switch one or two of my noms if needed.

Duke Ellington - Such Sweet Thunder

(8/50)

it's a twelve part suite so I presume it is notated

Duke Ellington - Anatomy Of A Murder
Duke Ellington - New Orleans Suite

(10/50)

I think that just about anything by Ellington would probably fit.

Yeah, I don't think he ever composed "on the fly".

In that case I must include this as well.

Duke Ellington - The Far East Suite

(11/50)

The Far East Suite is already on the spreadsheet. I don't think Reminiscing in Tempo is, though [ / hint].

Oops, I control f'ed this time. I thought I had heard everything by Ellington but not Reminiscing, but I'll still nom it cos I adore Ellington and will end up hearing it.

Duke Ellington - Reminiscing in Tempo
Duke Ellington - Latin American Suite

(13/50)

Duke Ellington & His Orchestra - Afro Bossa
Arvo Pärt - Da Pacem
Dmitry Shostakovich - Cello Concerto no. 1
Dmitry Shostakovich - Cello Concerto no. 2

(17/50)

George Benjamin - Antara
Percy Grainger - A Lincolnshire Posy
Gustav Holst - First Suite in E-flat for Military Band
David Bedford - With 100 Kazoos
Harrison Birtwistle - Verses For Ensembles
Elliott Carter - Concerto for Orchestra
Elliott Carter - A Symphony of Three Orchestras
Elliott Carter - 'In Sleep, In Thunder' for tenor and ensemble
Bernard Herrmann - Vertigo, film score
Ennio Morricone - For A Few Dollars More, film score
Ennio Morricone - Once Upon A Time In America, film score
Lalo Schifrin - Dirty Harry, film score
Frederick Delius - Summer Night on the River
Hans Abrahamsen - Märchenbilder

(34/50) (but I'm done)

Wow I could have sworn I nominated for a few dollars more but I forgot!

Also yay schifrin

I have 23 more but don't feel like putting in the research. If anyone has used up their 50 but knows of some works that they'd like included, list them and I'll use my last noms on them.

Mark Osborn - [Placeholder to fill in later/friday eve, can't remember the composition rn]*

This Fragile Vial (2001)

One more: Morricone - The good, the Bad and the Ugly

Also, re Indeterminacy: I don't know this one so well. My understanding was that it is Cage reading while Tudor plays selections from other pieces of his. Was this notated as a new composition?

right, Tudor's playing parts of Concert for Piano and Orchestra alongside a Fontana Mix tape, so unless we want to push the boundaries and consider Cage's recited texts to be a score, not exactly a new score.

Though with that in mind, my one contribution to what I'm sure will be a v interesting poll:

John Cage - Concert for Piano and Orchestra

If anyone has used up their 50 but knows of some works that they'd like included, list them and I'll use my last noms on them.

Some suggestions:

Antonin Dvorak - Symphony no. 9 ("New World")
Scott Joplin - The Entertainer, Treemonisha
George Crumb - Makrokosmos Vols. I & II
Henry Cowell - The Banshee
Charles Ives - Symphony no. 2
Thomas Ades - Violin Concerto
Cole Porter - "Anything Goes"

OK, call that 35/50 from me, or 36/50 if Makrokosmos vols. 1 & 2 should be listed separately.

Thanks!

Samuel Barber - Adagio for Strings
Bob Graettinger - City of Glass
Aram Khachaturian - Gayaneh
Bernard Herrmann - Psycho
Les Baxter - The Passions
Leo Brouwer - El Decamerón negro
Astor Piazzolla - Libertango
Ioseb Kechakmadze - Archaica I
Toru Takemitsu - Requiem for Strings
Henryk Górecki - Miserere

20/50

Tyondai Braxton - Platinum Rows
Zs - Retrace a Walk

22/50

I'll add a little more contribution cuz even though I'm not the biggest fan myself I'm a bit surprised not to see a bit more Boulez nominated already

Pierre Boulez - Pli selon pli
Pierre Boulez - Sur incises
Pierre Boulez - Anthèmes 2

Edgard Varese - Arcana
Gustav Mahler - Symphony No 2
Gustav Mahler - Symphony No 3
Gustav Mahler - Symphony No 5
Gustav Mahler - Symphony No 6
Gustav Mahler - Symphony No 7
Gustav Mahler - Symphony No 8
Gustav Mahler - Symphony No 9
Jean Sibelius - Symphony No 2
Gustav Holst - 1st Suite in Eb
Gustav Holst - Second Suite in F
Edward Elgar - Cello Concerto
Percy Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy
Paul Hindemith - Trumpet & Piano Sonata
Paul Hindemith - Symphonic Metamorphosis
Malcolm Arnold - Brass Quintet
Keith Emerson - Piano Concerto No 1
Alexander Arutunian - Trumpet Concerto
Olivier Messiaen - Turangalîla-Symphonie
Malcolm Forsyth - Trumpet Concerto
Mussorgsky (arr. Ravel) - Pictures at an Exhibition
Leonard Bernstein - Symphonic Dances from West Side Story
Carl Nielsen - Symphony No. 4 'The Inextinguishable'
Carl Orff - Carmina Burana
Otorino Respingi - Fountains of Rome
George Crumb - Black Angels
Dmitri Shostakovich - Concerto No. 1 for Trumpet, Piano and Strings
Dmitri Shostakovich - Symphony No. 5
Dmitri Shostakovich - Symphony No. 13
Richard Strauss - Also sprach Zarathustra
Richard Strauss - Tod und Verklärung
Richard Strauss - Ein Heldenleben
Richard Strauss - Four Last Songs
Richard Strauss - Eine Alpensinfonie
Ralph Vaughan Williams - Symphony No. 2
Ralph Vaughan Williams - Symphony No. 7
Eugene Bozza - Rustiques
Alexander Scriabin - Le Poème de l'extase
Charles Ives - Variations on America

38/50

Or 39 rather

wait shit did I miss the cutoff?

Oh and if my ballot is accepted, tack onto it Charles Mingus - Epitaph, I feel like that is eligible as it is (more or less) fully notated, no? Apologies for triple post thats what happens when you binge listen to heavy brass works at 4am

most of the Mahler symphonies have already been nommed, not sure what else is a repeat

the Ravel arrangement of Pictures at an Exhibition was debated upthread

XP!

Hope it's not too late, as it's nice to see some more Hindemith. :) In the event that it is, you'll be pleased to know that many of those ('Epitaph', most of the Mahler, Messiaen, Respighi, Orff, Scriabin, for starters) are on the list already. A mostly up to date off-thread list is up the top.

Actually, that's not true: it's a different Respighi. Let's pretend I said Nielsen instead.

Didn't notice the google docs link, thanks for the tip, thats much easier than control-f-ing everything! Pleased to see someone else thought of Arcana. Kind of shocked no one repped for Sibelius 2 or Mahler 2. On the whole, outside my ballot, not enough concert band music being considered for this imo

interesting to see what didn't make it. nobody nommed morten lauridsen's "o magnum mysterium"! surprising because that's getting to be as much a commonplace is gorecki's third, or barber's adagio for strings... which was also not nominated! (thank god, i say.) also nowhere to be seen: pomp and circumstance, entrance of the gladiators (which is almost entirely seen now through the eyes of rota's 1971 re-arrangement)... rota, incidentally, entirely absent from the list, but that's the fate of a lot of film composers, it seems!

folks who are not straight classical don't get a lot of noms, outside of ellington- berry, bley, braxton, u.o.

classical folks who maybe deserve more noms: milhaud, brouwer, respighi (well, at least "fountains of rome"!), rautavaara, scriabin, nancarrow. i feel like there's a lot of good 20th century tonal work that's been overlooked because of the cultural implications of tonal vs. "vanguard" work back then, and that these distinctions will fade over time.

on the other hand, i'm glad to see that there's more love for szymanowski than i had imagined. poulenc is also by far the standout composer of les six in contemporary eyes, an assessment which i strongly agree with. reich far and away the most acclaimed of the minimalists, with poor terry riley ignored beyond "in c"... again, i'm in agreement here.

meant "barry" for "berry" in the above

Oh yeah, O Magnum Mysterio, love that one. Perhaps people thought it is too short?

No Enigma Variations afaict, which is a perennial favourite in the UK.

Wendy Carlos - Beauty In The Beast
Wendy Carlos - Digital Moonscapes
Wendy Carlos - Clockwork Orange original score

(20/50)

Nino Rota - The Godfather
Morten Lauridsen - O Magnum Mysterium
Edward Elgar - Pomp and Circumstance March No.1
Julius Fucik - Entrance of the Gladiators
John Philip Sousa - Stars and Stripes Forever

27/50

i've got spare noms i'm not going to use so unless Sund4r's already closed nominations feel free to put down any legit mentions itt you haven't already added

It looks like there are a lot of things still worth nominating and a lot of people who still want to nominate things so I'll extend the deadline by a week and let everyone go up to 55. I'll try to get the spreadsheet fully up to date this weekend.

I'm intrigued by this new poptimist wave.:)

Did Riley do much notated music aside from In C, btw? Most of what I've heard is electronic or improvised.

well if we're not closed yet, then at least:

respighi- roman festivals
ginastera- piano concerto no. 1
rautavaara- cantus arcticus
elgar- enigma variations

don't know enough about the other folks i name-checked to suggest any more of their works!

One more from me

Bobby Previte - The 23 Constellations of Joan Miró

37/50

Okay, thanks for the extra 5 nominations, here are mine:

Germaine Tailleferre - Violin Sonata No. 2
Percy Grainger - Kipling's Jungle Book Cycle, for chorus and chamber ensemble
Sofia Gubaidulia - In tempus praesens, concerto for violin and orchestra
Richard Sherman & Robert Sherman - Mary Poppins (original soundtrack)
Odaline de la Martínez - Cantos de Amor, for soprano and ensemble

55/55

Sorry, that's Sofia Gubaidulina, obviously.

Grainger did a jungle book cycle??

George Gershwin - Lullaby
Bela Bartok - Out of Doors (Szabadban), Sz. 81
Anton Webern - "Entflieht auf leichten Kähnen", Op.2
Claude Debussy - Le Martyre de saint Sébastien
Edvard Grieg - Lyric Pieces, Book 10

55/55

Sund4r - have you thought about how long you are going to give people to put a ballot together?

(Sorry I almost never take part in polls and have no idea the amount of time people are given but...it should be months for something like this?)

i'm assuming months, definitely

and assuming months, while we're on

Ferruccio Busoni - Doktor Faust
Olivier Messiaen - Saint François d'Assise

Duke Ellington - And His Mother Called Him Bill

(21/50)

Probably the last of my Ellington noms. Was tempted to nom his Coltrane album but that probably doesn't fit the criteria.

Leonard Bernstein - Trouble In Tahiti
Leos Janacek - The Makropoulos Affair
Giacomo Puccini - La Boheme
George Benjamin - Written On Skin
Philip Glass - Akhnaten
Franz Lehar - The Merry Widow

Cole Porter - Kiss Me, Kate

Kind of feel there would be value in a separate musicals poll, if only to stop me voting Calamity Jane ahead of Elektra in this one.

yeah i tried to keep my original noms within a more confined space but if the poll is gonna cover all this stuff that is notated then the current shortage of Cole Porter must be put right i figured

There's a case to be made (and not even a very radical one) that classic Broadway musicals are as much or more of a direct descendent of CPE opera than Einstein on the Beach.

Yes, I don't think that is really in doubt but it would be better to have a poll that really reflects their value than one that is 99% classical with a few token nominations, though NV is otm about Cole Porter if the scope is to be that wide.

Oh, sure, I don't doubt that a poll like that would be more appealing to Broadway afficionados!

Sund4r - have you thought about how long you are going to give people to put a ballot together?

(Sorry I almost never take part in polls and have no idea the amount of time people are given but...it should be months for something like this?)

If we allow six months, then we could total and roll out results in September, which would probably be an OK time for me. How does that sound?

the only references i can find to a score for psalmus are mentions of a working draft that penderecki took into the studio before starting work on the recording.

All that I can find too. I'll exclude it on the grounds that the piece had to be completed in notated form by the criteria of the poll.

morton subotnick - silver apples of the moon

Ornette Coleman – Lonely Woman
John Cage – Indeterminacy
Robert Wyatt – Moon in June
Laurie Anderson – O Superman
Pauline Oliveros – Crone Music
Robert Fripp & Brian Eno – The Heavenly Music Corporation

I'm excluding these for now as well, not knowing of scores for them. I'm including Ibarra's suite Lakbay since it includes "Gawain Ng Pamilya". (The Fripp/Eno has almost the same 'score' as Discreet Music and certainly the same as for the other side of No Pussyfooting and probably Evening Star so I have trouble including it as an individual piece.)

objection! my nomination of silver apples was based on the notation printed on the back cover & from the notes: this gives the flexibility to score sections of the piece in the traditional sense... and to mold other sections (from graphic and verbal notes) like a piece of sculpture

Whoa, I never owned the LP. Mea culpa.

:-) have actually been wondering about the eligibility of computer generated scores?

I can't see why that wouldn't be eligible.

If we allow six months, then we could total and roll out results in September, which would probably be an OK time for me. How does that sound?

― Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r), Monday, 14 March 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sounds good to me.

jean eichelberger ivey - pinball

nlt, can you tell me more about this? From what I could read online, it is a tape piece but there appears to be some kind of graphic score for it. Was this an after-the-fact 'listening score' as for Ligeti's Artikulation? I wouldn't count it in that case. If it was either a performance score or a patch diagram, I would include it.

that was one of the questionable ones: could only find the one reference to a graphic score & not sure how reliable that is... no mention in the lp notes about a score used, so i have no problem with its being excluded.

Leo Brouwer - El Decamerón negro

Duplicate. You have one more nomination, cock chirea.

Radigue - Naldjorlak (for cello, only heard about a couple of mins of it, go with the gut instinct)

listening to a ton of Sibelius lately, and coming to the conclusion I can only handle him for about an hour before I start to get fed up, and need to put on Varese or Stravinsky or something. For a curmudgeonly alcoholic, he sure beat around the lush prettiness bush a lot.

Ha, I don't think it would occur to me to listen to Sibelius for more than an hour at a time. His software is pretty good, though [ / rimshot].

yeah, you can get through all of his symphonies in the course of the work day. And then come to hate him.

you guys are utterly insane IMO. what does beating around the lush prettiness bush mean? Pretty much all of his work is beautiful, yes, but that description makes it sound like you're sitting there waiting for something important to happen and there is pretty much never a moment when something important ISN'T happening in the symphonies or tone poems (confession: I do think sym 2 beats around the lush prettiness bush)

the incidental music for the theater is where he allows himself to be merely luscious and pretty, but he's always so concise in that music.

well, it's not a great description, I admit. After a while, I feel like his music is predictable -- lush prettiness -> sudden dramatic interjection -> drawn out consideration of interjection -> back to lush prettiness -> repeat. Also, although I actually like his harmony, after a while, it just feels like eating too much sugar. I feel *sick* of it, aesthetically speaking. There is a lot of reveling in certain moods and harmonies, and to be honest, it does begin to sound like music made by someone who might have been drunk when he did it, where all the moods and lushness wash over the ears in a soothing way. Like I say, I like it for about an hour, and then I start to get annoyed, over-saturated.

By contrast, I never feel this way listening to Debussy, who to me, seems like the closest analog to Sibelius in a classical vein that's closer to where I come from. I can listen to him, and though I'll eventually want to hear something else, it's not because I'm just totally over what he's doing, rather an organic need for something else.

And keep in mind I nominated two Sibelius pieces! It's not like I hate the guy.

In this interview, Wendy Carlos said that Digital Moonscapes was notated but Beauty was not so I am excluding the latter. I will include the Clockwork Orange score for now, since I'm guessing that Carlos was probably notating things at that stage. Does anyone know for sure about this one?

Karlheinz Stockhausen - Mikrophonie II

51/55

I need to confess something: until now, I thought Nino Rota was a woman named "Nina" [ / did not study film music].

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What parts of the Clockwork Orange soundtrack weren't adapted from existing classical music or songs? Wiki lists something called "Timesteps" by Carlos, but it seems to be the only thing not taken from a classical piece. (but I can't remember other incidental stuff that Carlos might have provided...)

There's this, which includes some more original incidental music by Carlos, although about half still seems to be adaptations.

Federico Torroba - Castles of Spain

52/55

Youtube for the Stockhausen

Wait, how did we miss this?:

Bela Bartok - Allegro Barbaro

53/55

Especially with Keith Emerson in our thoughts this week!

final 5 + 2 substitutes:

niccolò castiglioni - gyro
harrison birtwistle - chronometer
leo brouwer - sonata pian e forte
sylvano bussotti - per tre sul piano
roberto gerhard - concerto for orchestra
lejaren hiller/robert baker - computer cantata
hans werner henze - compases para preguntas ensimismadas

I decided to include "Timesteps" rather than the Clockwork Orange score since the latter is not really a complete original composition. If you would rather nominate something else, please let me know, calzino.

That is fine, it was one of them moments where straight after Submit Post I thought "oops, I shouldn't have nommed that one".

One more day!

Some things I'd still like to see myself (with only two nominations left):
Leo Brouwer - Canticum
Stephen Dodgson - Partita
Frank Zappa - The Grand Wazoo
John Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano and Orchestra
John Cage - Seventy-Four
James Tenney - Water on the Mountain... Fire in Heaven
Glenn Branca - Symphony no. 3

Leonard Rosenman - Fantastic Voyage (film score)
Les Baxter - Quiet Village
John Williams and Stomu Yamashta - Images (film score)
Gil Evans - Sunken Treasure
Sergei Prokofiev - Symphony no. 3

55/55

sund4r I've only nommed 20-odd so put me down for the ones you listed even tho I have Zappa issues

been enjoying this thread

nothing to add that didn't also come up on this one: what are the most significnt classical works of the last 15-20 years?

Does that mean you're nominating everything on that thread?

And much thanks NV!

I was wondering where you were Milton Parker!

And if NV is covering all of those, I will also nominate these to complete my 55. :)

Antonio Carlos Jobim/Newton Mendonca - Desafinado
Luiz Bonfa/Antonia Maria - Manha de Carnaval

I think those two were originally notated anyway. Will confirm for sure before the spreadsheet is finalized. Everything is up to date in any case (unless Milton really was nominating everything on the other thread). How is the playlist coming along?

I really fell behind on the playlist. It's a lot more work than I expected and a lot more people contributed nominations than I expected, and also I was in Seattle for a week. Let me attack anew and make a sober assessment of the task.

Ha, it seemed like an unimaginable amount of work tbh!

i have visited that nation, the locals are a mess

Less than an hour left for last-minute nominations.

Very excited about this list!

Does that mean you're nominating everything on that thread?

I'd add them all anyway. Why not? (Even though I have no recollection now of two of the pieces I mentioned ha!)

Assume this is closed - can you post your .xls Sund4r as I'd like to have a look.

The spreadsheet has been publicly available the whole time: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/159pi7X3auJv4xPfuNSx-427tclquh5MHBkc40F4GIHI/edit#gid=0

750+ items - let the madness begin :)

I'm making much better progress on the playlist now. Believe it or not, before yesterday I was building it using the iOS version of Spotify. For this particular kind of playlist desktop is tons faster. Will announce when finished.

Awesome!

Has anyone discovered anything from this list? I've been occupied with FB challenges the last couple of days tbh but I'd encourage anyone who doesn't know it to check out Vivier's Lonely Child: sometimes I think it's my 'new music' OPO.

Still setting up the voting but the deadline will be six months from the nomination cut-off so probably around Sept 18. Ballots can include up to 100 pieces and can be ranked, unweighted, or a mix.

Thanks - haven't begun yet but now have a deadline.

I'll post about three pieces at the weekend...or at least I'll set myself a goal.

i think i've discovered stuff from the list. hard for me to tell because lists are starting points and i keep going on tangents. was ginastera's guitar sonata on the list? i discovered that recently.

vivier is good indeed, maybe the 20th century equivalent of gesualdo (come for the lurid life story, stay for the tunes). i don't much care for any of the other spectralists i've heard (looking at you, grisey) but vivier is quality.

was ginastera's guitar sonata on the list?

Pretty sure this would have been among my first nominations.

Yeah you nominated that
Feeling a lot of regret this morning that I didn't nominate nyman's 'Memorial'. It was one of those I remembered when I was in the middle of something and then forgot. Entry of wordless soprano still gives me chills.

So, when does the voting start? Or did I miss the voting thread?

Sept 18 will be the deadline for voting. I haven't started a voting thread yet. I hope to have this set up soon.

Too bad we didn't nominate any Norma Beecroft.

I have so many regrets

No Elgar #2! How could I have let that happen.

Malcolm Arnold #7!

One of Christopher Gordon's film scores...

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