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What ILXor would you like to see in the Village Voice next??

I'm saying - Starry! Ethan! Maryann! Maura! Jess! Dave Q!

(criteria: would write for money. would fit into VV as published. would take VV in interesting direction).

Substitute VV for any other publication/body if you don't like it. i.e. Josh should be on the Grammy judges. (he should!!)

(Yes I have been in the pub.)

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 00:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Me, damnit, ME!

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 00:46 (twenty-three years ago)

And Jess.

And you, Mr. Ewing -- I see a big hole in your future. And I see you filling that hole. And that hole has the same shape of Nick Hornby and is located at the 4 Times Square offices of The New Yorker. DO! YOU! SEE!

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 00:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Ethan!

Maybe Vice will hire him.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 00:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah and Mike! (Duh) This was a bad thread to start as I realised 2 secs after posting it cos I knew I'd forgotten people, Sorry. But I was excited at ILX's gradual and growing print presence...!

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i am thinking of pitching something to the voice on DJ SAMMY!!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 01:06 (twenty-three years ago)

You see how the golden future I have dreamed of takes shape!!

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 01:10 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd like to be on the Post's Page Six.

― Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 01:11 (twenty-three years ago)

grammy judges?! tom why do you hate me?

― Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 01:13 (twenty-three years ago)

OK Mercury judges then! You should be judging *something* if yr focus group ballot was anything to go by!

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 01:17 (twenty-three years ago)

"good luck, white stripes!!"

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 01:20 (twenty-three years ago)

tom my ballot was terrible

― Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 01:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Anna Rose for new The Source editor.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 01:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom and Tim Finney, and I've already said as much to Chuck

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 01:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah and Mike! (Duh) This was a bad thread to start as I realised 2 secs after posting it cos I knew I'd forgotten people, Sorry.

Oh, you're too easy to cow!

Julio Desouza and Kris S. should edit The Wire Jr....for kids!

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 02:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I think the Voice should have a music issue like Vanity Fair, except we all write it. But outside of my fantasy world, I'd say Tim and Tom and Mike D and Starry and Josh and Fred S. (does he still count as an ILXer?). (and me, though I'd be just as happy if five more people read my blog)

― Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 02:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyway, I'm a not-ready-for-prime-time player: I don't write enough, I don't do enough long pieces, never edit my work, and fatally choke at deadlines (outside of work, anyway).

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 02:12 (twenty-three years ago)

also, don't forget that i'm a hack.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 02:15 (twenty-three years ago)

(A)lso, don't forget that (I)'m a hack.

That is a Voice prerequisite, is it not? "We are a New York-based weekly. We are popular..."

Jody Beth's comment is funny, because Vice was known as The Voice until the Village Voice stepped in and said "We are the only Voice", thus turning the Montreal mag. into the depraved beast it is today.

― Vic Funk, Wednesday, 6 November 2002 02:29 (twenty-three years ago)

you forgot the (sic)'s, vic. i mean, what good is a grammar flame when you drop the ball like that?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 02:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Could I write for the Voice, you think? *whimpers*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 06:08 (twenty-three years ago)

are you a hack?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 06:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Not a hack, have already written for the Voice. Would again if asked

― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 06:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I would like to see "..." write for the Voice. Replace dots with Marcello.

― nathalie (nathalie), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 09:16 (twenty-three years ago)

I would like to see a Pazz and Jop voting form grrr! reynolds you bastard you promised me etc. ;-)

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 November 2002 09:25 (twenty-three years ago)

''Julio Desouza and Kris S. should edit The Wire Jr....for kids!''

oi you!!! what is that supposed to mean!

I'm saying all who have been mentioned would be good thing for the voice.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 10:10 (twenty-three years ago)

The punctum, surely, is that Marcello should write for the Journal of Aesthetics and Art Criticism.

― Jacob, Wednesday, 6 November 2002 10:41 (twenty-three years ago)

i have this leaflet here about hedgehog eczema treatment that i wrote...

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 10:43 (twenty-three years ago)

You guys should start your own magazine.

― lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 14:11 (twenty-three years ago)

guys = people

― lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 14:14 (twenty-three years ago)

punctum

Punctum? I nearly killed 'im!

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 18:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I miss Punctum.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 19:53 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't deserve it. A couple of months ago I stupidly turned down a Voice assignment because I "am not familiar enough with [said artist]." I have no idea what I was thinking at the time.

― Yancey (ystrickler), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 19:57 (twenty-three years ago)

haha yancey that's like when i turned down a full scholarship from nyu at age 20 because i "didn't think higher education was in my best interest at the present moment."

(okay, maybe not that bad.)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 20:35 (twenty-three years ago)

No, not that bad. And I'm confident that I'll get another shot. But still... obviously really dumb. I remember telling a writer friend about the whole thing moments after I replied to the email. "YOU DID WHAT?!?!?!" he asked. And then my stomach dropped.

Yeah, I ain't too bright.

― Yancey (ystrickler), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 20:40 (twenty-three years ago)

I once had a chance to write something for Vibe (long story, bizarre circumstances), but passed because I thought I wasn't remotely qualified (which is true, but it ain't stopping anybody else). I'd kill to write for the Voice, specifically Jockbeat (my friend got runnerup in the baseball quiz) or one of their myriad dildo review columns. That or ESPN the Magazine with all the Dave Eggers castaways. Or TV Guide because they probably pay alot.

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 20:50 (twenty-three years ago)

i just mailed off the dj sammy opus (if something 800 words can be an opus) to big daddy eddy (on the advice of tom and frank k.) we'll see how it goes.

hey, blount's back!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 20:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Ethan would generate letters like you wouldn't believe.

Oh, and Matos: why doesn't the Voice have a TV critic anymore? James Walcott, Tom Shales - there's a pretty healthy legacy there that's being neglected.

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 20:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I've been wanting to get into sportswriting as well, James.

― Yancey (ystrickler), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 20:56 (twenty-three years ago)

JB: and Tom Carson, too

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 21:06 (twenty-three years ago)

i think anthony should write abt country for the Voice

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 21:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I think DJ Sammy should be trapped in a vice.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 21:08 (twenty-three years ago)

agreed!, re. anthony.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 21:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Tracer: Tom Carson's who I meant (somehow my brain immediatly inserted 'Tom Shales' following tv critic)

Anthony really should write about country for the Voice.

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 21:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Vice was known as The Voice until the Village Voice stepped in and said "We are the only Voice", thus turning the Montreal mag. into the depraved beast it is today.

this is a myth. the Vice editors made this story up to get attention, and it was run without ever being verified by numerous newspapers & mags. they were called "The Voice of Montreal" but changed the name when they went national in Canada, just because it sounded cooler.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 21:34 (twenty-three years ago)

ha!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 21:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Can I write the gossip column?

― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 21:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Mary! [I have very attainable dreams]

― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 22:02 (twenty-three years ago)

david h should write for the voice. him vs. jess!

― frank k & mark s & chuck e morphmind (david h), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 22:04 (twenty-three years ago)

this reminds me of the time, frank k said i should write for the voice... then jess walked in with a pineapple for a head, and meatloaf was singing scott walker's 'farmer in the city'.

― david h (david h), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 22:05 (twenty-three years ago)

The editor in question drops in on the Frat Rock thread.

― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 22:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Look, goddamit, this is so frigging obvious I don't understand why I have to spell it out, but anyway -- If you want to write for the *Voice* music section, send me some examples of what you've written in the past (by which I mean put them in an ENVELOPE and SNAILMAIL them to me so I don't have to hunt around on some remote corner of cyberspace and print all your crap out on the Voice's shitty printers and hence do all your work FOR you; address here is 36 Cooper Square, NY NY 10003), and email me (ceddy@villagevoice.com) IDEAS of what you want to write about for me. And I'll consider your ideas, just like I consider them from many writers stupider than yourself who send me similar clips and ideas every day. (Either that, or just email me an article that's already done.) Then and only then, if there's room in the section in impending weeks, and you convince me that what you want to write about is worth devoting space to and you've got more interesting things to say about it than anybody else on the planet, maybe I'll give you an assignment...as long as you've never written anything TRULY moronic, like, say, "Chuck Eddy thinks pop music is good because it's popular" or "people under 25 should be encouraged to write for the Voice unless they don't have penises" (or something along those bizarre lines). Or maybe even if you HAVE -- who knows? Just don't assume I'm gonna come SEEK you out, okay?? I'm VERY BUSY!!

― charles joseph eddy, Thursday, 7 November 2002 00:10 (twenty-three years ago)

aw, he got my letter.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 7 November 2002 00:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Wait a minute...the HELL? Jess has a pineapple for a head?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 7 November 2002 01:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Hahaha: Chuck Eddy comes to the thread! He's really very nice in person!

Aw, Felicity, so sweet! Maybe we could co-author a precis of Stereo Total's Brezel Goring's fashion sense...

OK everyone, now that Chuck has spelled it out for you in no uncertain terms, it is time for ILM to truly MAKE THE VOICE ITS BITCH!

― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 7 November 2002 01:16 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought the point of all this talk was to goad writers into action anyway. that's the main barrier to their not being in the voice despite being ace. the not bothering, I mean.

― Josh (Josh), Thursday, 7 November 2002 02:15 (twenty-three years ago)

not that, as michael reminds me, bothering is a big fucking piece of cake.

― Josh (Josh), Thursday, 7 November 2002 02:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Just to back Chuck up here, if you really wanna write, just write the whole thing and send it to him. I've sent him three articles in the second half of this year and one's been printed and another is, I believe, on its way. IDEAS, on the other hand, get bitchslapped three ways past sunday (RFTC is evidently "better bad bosstones" to him or something. Ouch! One o' my fave bands! Ouch!). So yeah, from what I can see, if you REALLY wanna write something, than just do it for yourself and then send it to him. I mean, if you can't work up the energy to do it without certain pay, how badly do you wanna do it?

― Anthony Miccio, Thursday, 7 November 2002 02:38 (twenty-three years ago)

b-but i did!!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 7 November 2002 02:46 (twenty-three years ago)

well, then that's cool then. rock it. Who's DJ sammy, btw?

― Anthony Miccio, Thursday, 7 November 2002 02:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Never mind the Village Voice, should I even try writing anything for FT (based on my rantings on ilx)? I've had a sudden urge to write lately but I'm unsure of whether that's a good idea or not. Do not be afraid to say no...

― Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 7 November 2002 04:15 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, you should.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 7 November 2002 04:20 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, you should.

― Josh (Josh), Thursday, 7 November 2002 04:32 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, you should.

― Kim (Kim), Thursday, 7 November 2002 04:33 (twenty-three years ago)

on second thought:

yes, you should.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 7 November 2002 04:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Echoing all of the above here...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 November 2002 04:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Freaky Trigger vs. Village Voice FITE!

― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 7 November 2002 04:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm actually a lot more intimidated by the idea of submitting something to Freaky Trigger than I am by the idea of submitting something to the Voice. Oh, and CHUCK EDDY?!!!! Sweet Mary Joseph and Jesus!

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 7 November 2002 05:13 (twenty-three years ago)

but tom's like a big drunken goateed bear cub!!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 7 November 2002 05:39 (twenty-three years ago)

If FT can publish my dead ass, it can publish anyone's dead ass. Or living ass, for that matter. Vibrant, shimmering, effervescent ass, too.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 November 2002 05:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Stop talking about the Gilmore Girls, Dave.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 7 November 2002 07:14 (twenty-three years ago)

good to see Chuck finally emerge from his lurkhood ;-)

also, I have no idea why there's not a TV critic anymore. I wish there was (and that it was ME!!!!)

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 7 November 2002 07:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Me Me Me! I totally love 24! (this qualifies me right?)

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 7 November 2002 07:38 (twenty-three years ago)

" 'people under 25 should be encouraged to write for the Voice unless they don't have penises' " - hey, wait a minute, this is me isn't it?

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 7 November 2002 07:58 (twenty-three years ago)

well that's charming talk from mr eddy i must say. what a pathetic little jerk he is.

― Denise Lambert, Thursday, 7 November 2002 08:00 (twenty-three years ago)

How exactly is he pathetic? He just personally invited all of ILM to pitch to him, and explained how to do it...

And it's obvious that bnw & myself will soon be lording over the Voice TV, that is to say, all Gilmore, all the time, column...

― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 7 November 2002 08:09 (twenty-three years ago)

obviously we missed that "except for you Denise Lambert" part written in invisible screen-ink

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 7 November 2002 08:14 (twenty-three years ago)

i think marcello's just trying to pull another rob young/insult-the-editor-so-he'll-love-you.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 7 November 2002 08:15 (twenty-three years ago)

gratuitous insults, arrogance unsubstantiated by evidence of achievements, palpable inability to cope with pressure . . . who wants to deal with someone like that?

and who's this "we" Matos? You neither own nor edit the Voice. You're a scribbling slave like the rest of us. Face up to it.

― Denise Lambert, Thursday, 7 November 2002 08:16 (twenty-three years ago)

also, Josh earlier on "goading into action" is spot-fucking-on.

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 7 November 2002 08:16 (twenty-three years ago)

the "we" meaning "everyone who isn't Denise Lambert," idiot

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 7 November 2002 08:17 (twenty-three years ago)

(also, since when wasn't I a scribbling slave etc.? who the hell ever said I was otherwise?)

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 7 November 2002 08:19 (twenty-three years ago)

well thank you for clearing that up, you gangrenous goat-fucker.

― Denise Lambert, Thursday, 7 November 2002 08:20 (twenty-three years ago)

anytime

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 7 November 2002 08:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Is a hyphen really necessary in goatfucker?

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 7 November 2002 08:32 (twenty-three years ago)

goatfucking is the pop pigfucking.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 7 November 2002 08:35 (twenty-three years ago)

apparently so. I do enjoy how D.L. manages each of the very things she criticized Chuck's post for in one sentence, though.

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 7 November 2002 08:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Denise Lambert = Ad-Rock?

Goatfucking - Ghosttown Djs, whoever did "Shorty Swing My Way", whoever did that "Time After Time" remake

Pigfucking - Big Black, whoever did "Death Valley 69", whoever did that 'Exile on Main St.' remake

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 7 November 2002 08:38 (twenty-three years ago)

(or maybe she misread "goading" upthread...her reading comprehension's pretty awful, from the looks of it...)

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 7 November 2002 08:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey, it could be worse - you could have Chuck Eddy inviting submissions with the caveat 'unless you're this moron', this moron = myself. All is ruin! All is ruin!

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 7 November 2002 08:46 (twenty-three years ago)

[reference to human spoilage] + [reference to fornication w/farm animals]!

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 7 November 2002 08:50 (twenty-three years ago)

why do i think of the six o'clock alarm and sonny and cher's "i got you babe" when reading this thread?

― Emmanuel Goldstein, Thursday, 7 November 2002 09:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Cuz Bill Murray roxx!

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 7 November 2002 17:50 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...

grr!

― dwh (dwh), Friday, 13 December 2002 00:15 (twenty-three years ago)

This thread warms the heart of my cockles. It's real Cinderella stuff, in a grouchy Lou Grant kind of way.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 13 December 2002 10:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Ooo, oooo, can I be Ted Baxter?

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 13 December 2002 14:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I would like to state that I do not write about music in any way or form, except to post on ILM about stuff like Southern rock and Scottish folk music that no-one replies to. I think I'd make a great rock critic!

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 13 December 2002 14:54 (twenty-three years ago)

That's a good thread actually.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 13 December 2002 15:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dan should write cartoon captions for Playboy!
He can make anything dirty.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 13 December 2002 18:37 (twenty-three years ago)

five months pass...

haha- ok no big whoop, but if you go to the voice right now (and I mean like litterally right now) under music there's two new reviews from the next issue, and then whatever from last week. anyhow, the top 3 reviews are 1) something beaty by ilxor jess harvell 2) da south by ilxor yanc3y strickler 3) lotta beeps lotta beats by ilxor michaelantangelo matos. anyhow, again big whoop, ain't nothing new. BUT if you actually click the jess review you get some 'turn back you poxy fule' nonsense, and then if you look in the address box thingy it'll say http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0322/MATOS.php (change 'matos' to 'harvell' and ya get the goods) ie. there's so much ilx in the system it's fucking with the mainframe - WE'RE ALL LIVIN IN THE MATRIX Y'ALL

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 26 May 2003 12:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I gotta get some of my new ideas on paper yo.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 26 May 2003 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I just need to get new ideas. But stranger has occurred.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 May 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, I need ideas and the ability to write

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 26 May 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

"Rephlex, the label set up by the Aphex Twin to release dubplates of his mates farting."

Jess, have I told you lately that I love you?

― Dan I., Monday, 26 May 2003 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

ha ha there go my rephlex promos

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 26 May 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

heh, possibly your tigerbeat promos also

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 26 May 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

fucking great piece jess. i'm very impressed.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 26 May 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

yancey I take issue with a bit of your piece (the rock bit), but good job

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 26 May 2003 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

what in particular, james?

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 26 May 2003 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

(after not the most thorough reading) well to mention the one week at the bottom of the alt-rock playlists acts that you do as being somehow indicative of southern rock being dead or having it's back turned on or something is a bit off the mark. it's not like verbena have more hipster cache or even more record sales than drive-by truckers (they have more radio play admittedly, but I'll come back to that). now the last true southern rock act to chart may have been georgia satellites (who are overdue for a critical reevaluation or something), but to find vestiges of dixie rocking soundscan/pollstar you only have to look as far as your southern jam bands (alas)(and what widespread panic I've heard - the answer is always too much - I've heard nearly as much little feat as I have dead)(the problem being they don't pull it off - not enough rock, funk, soul. lotta swirling though) or (and here's where the airplay kicks in) a good chunk (but maybe not enough) of contemporary country radio. again, this probably wasn't your point, but saying 'southern rockers are afraid to be Southern Rockers' and then pointing at Verbena is like saying 'southern r&b and hip-hop acts are afraid to bounce' and then pointing at Indie Arie.

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 26 May 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

The ideas and aesthetics of Southern rock are more prevalent now in country than in rock, I agree. The Drive-By Truckers obviously wholy embrace Southern rock, but you won't find them on the airwaves other than AAA radio, which has started to disappear a bit after a brief period of flourishing just a few years ago. I looked at Soundscan and Billboard charts quite a bit before making my pitch to Chuck, looking for Southern rock or just rock bands from the South, and the bands that I listed in the piece (Skynyrd & the Allmans for the former, Evanescence, Creed, 3 Doors Down, Saliva, etc., for the latter) are the only ones that I could find. And Verbena IS worth mentioning because their first record was just as "authentic" Southern rock as the Truckers or Skynyrd or the Allmans or any of those other acts. But when Capitol decided to take them mainstream, the first thing they did was remove any traces of their Delta roots. There is a flourishing microworld of Southern rock on the touring circuit, but not on the airwaves or in the charts. I think that my overall idea is right -- that rock has shunned this particularly lower class identity while hip-hop has embraced it.

re Georgia Satellites: I would contend that the last big Southern rock band (in reference to charts) is the Black Crowes (which I mention in the piece).

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 26 May 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

(and lemme say that yr critique is totally valid and i figured that someone would pick up on that. there are certainly holes to be poked in that bit of my piece. chuck did just that during the editing process...)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 26 May 2003 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

(the part about allmans/skynyrd/kid rock/black crowes was an effort to acknowledge those exceptions, but to point out at the same time that most of these bands' times have passed)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 26 May 2003 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe an analogous argument would be if norah jones had done another record before Come Away With Me (i think that's the title) that was straight, pure jazz. and then say blue note wanted her to get big, so they cut most of the jazzy elements to make a more pop record. is jazz dead? no. is jazz dead as a commercial genre (in that there are new artists, hits, etc)? yes.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 26 May 2003 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...

geir hongro
the lex
paul edward wagemann
TIM@KFC.EDU

― gershy, Sunday, 11 March 2007 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

at this point I wouldn't want to see anybody from here there -- the voice is now the Island of Lost Souls

so is IDOLATOR the new VILLAGE VOICE in terms of ILXOR connection?

― m coleman, Sunday, 11 March 2007 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

I seriously wish the conversation here had returned to goatfucking.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 11 March 2007 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

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