why am i always listening to two year old dj mixes? - or - please direct my finger to the nearest pulse

i haven't got a clue what's big in 3 months time. sorry.

oh, and scarface ft. jigga - guess who's back was also hot in june.

Serious answer: reading message boards, release lists, DJ setlists, foreign (in my case, US, UK, German and French) (dance)charts. Watching some music television, listening to vinyls in DJ stores. In short, by wasting time on a massive scale.

I keep up by clubbing I suppose, either I see someone good and buy their mix, buy a mix cos the label has had some good singles, or buy a mix cos it has a few singles I've been hearing everywhere and want on CD on it.

answer: i don't! it frightens me to think of how much good new music i'm missing but i just check here, shops, magazines, radio and get what i can.

ronan - i'd like to hear what you like yourself... but since i started the thread w/ house and techno maybe stick to those? but feel free to chuck in anything else that you think is ace!

I like the easiest music in the world to stay on top of (3 hrs on a Sunday afternoon is the only committment neccessary) and I still don't.

DJ Hell-Electronic Body House Music-It's kind of electroey but not in the same way as the likes of Felix Da Housecat, alot harder to get into but probably a better mix than something like Futurism aswell, it's like really rhythm centric kind of stuff, sharp snares and that kind of thing, but it has a few really funky camp electro tracks so it's not all difficult. I've been listening to it all week, pretty much. Download "U Know How We Do" by Mount Sims, and see if you like that. This just came out last week as far as I know.

Subliminal Sessions 3 Mixed by Erick Morillo is also pretty cool, about 2 months old maybe. It's all dead funky and catchy but doesn't really descend into generic barhouse type stuff either, except maybe on the pretty surplus to requirements third cd. It's also a bit of a hits 2002 album, which may or may not be attractive to you, it's got most of the bigger house things of this year.

If you can download Vitalic's DJ Set from Fuse which is somewhere online then obviously go for it.

Also it's not out yet but Plump DJs are doing the next Fabric Live Mix CD and I'd imagine if it's anything like "A Plump Night Out" or "Elastic Breaks" or whatever their other one is called, it will be well worth buying.

Underwater-Created by Darren Emerson and Tim Deluxe is also a pretty cool mix, it's 2 CDs and it has some really nice house stuff, really latin in places and dead summery. It's probably worth getting aswell.

That's all I can think of at the moment.

I'll leave it to Ronan to mention Cosmos, Les Rhythmes Digitales and Archigram...

I'm getting a coped copy of that party mix, looking forward to it.

1. Osunlade / Offering on R2 records
http://www.clownfishmarketing.co.uk/r2records/osunladeoffering_page.htm

One of the true masters behind the decks is finally coming up with a typical but oh so enjoyable mix, highlight after highlight ! Try to catch him when he's spinning in your area.

2. Patrick Forge :PF02 on Trustthedj
http://www.trustthedj.com/store/getProductDetails?storeid=1&dpid=82

enjoying summer during autumn, this mix puts a smile on my face !

thanks everyone - i know at least a few of your suggestions already so i'm not completely out of touch! i've noted down quite a few more. i'm still stuck on 'two months off' too siegbran.

what's this playgroup party mix? i have (or had, more accurately - still have the case but the disc's missing. infuriating because i was a long way from playing this one out.) and love the dj-kicks cd.

am very much insterested in this ellen allien thing too.

Subliminal Sessions 3 Mixed by Erick Morillo is also pretty cool [...] except maybe on the pretty surplus to requirements third cd.

The third one's my favourite! Maybe I'm just soft on barhouse. Also I'm surprised you haven't mentioned Viva Bugged Out! Ronan, now there's a meme that needs propagating.

Minna if you're feeling housey then get

Jon Carter Vs Junior Cartier(also Jon Carter) Live 7 Mix. It's a few years old but amazing stuff, best dirty house mix around.

Or of course Viva Bugged Out, Carter's Brazilian Samba Techno House filthfest. (it's got some amazing "aaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeee" screams.

Revive!

Booka Shade: DJ Kicks
Röyksopp: Back To Mine

so fucking twee >_<

let's all make mistakes is 7 years old?!?

RBMA Radio is where my head is at lately. Awesome selection of mixes.

http://rbmaradio.com/ARCHIVE.153.0.php

Right now listening to Morgan Geist's tribute mix to Arthur Russell on the RBMA

"DJ Hell-Electronic Body House Music-It's kind of electroey but not in the same way as the likes of Felix Da Housecat, alot harder to get into but probably a better mix than something like Futurism aswell, it's like really rhythm centric kind of stuff, sharp snares and that kind of thing, but it has a few really funky camp electro tracks so it's not all difficult. I've been listening to it all week, pretty much. Download "U Know How We Do" by Mount Sims, and see if you like that. This just came out last week as far as I know.

Subliminal Sessions 3 Mixed by Erick Morillo is also pretty cool, about 2 months old maybe. It's all dead funky and catchy but doesn't really descend into generic barhouse type stuff either, except maybe on the pretty surplus to requirements third cd. It's also a bit of a hits 2002 album, which may or may not be attractive to you, it's got most of the bigger house things of this year.

If you can download Vitalic's DJ Set from Fuse which is somewhere online then obviously go for it.

Also it's not out yet but Plump DJs are doing the next Fabric Live Mix CD and I'd imagine if it's anything like "A Plump Night Out" or "Elastic Breaks" or whatever their other one is called, it will be well worth buying.

Underwater-Created by Darren Emerson and Tim Deluxe is also a pretty cool mix, it's 2 CDs and it has some really nice house stuff, really latin in places and dead summery. It's probably worth getting aswell.

I've given up trying to further Jon Carter's career Mike, noone likes him and noone realises he is the best DJ of our time!

-- Ronan (Ronan)"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. this is why i love teh interwebs.

Because people change their minds about certain things or get into newer things?

Because people weren't 'right' about everything from the day they were born?

Because you saw someone showing some enthusiasm for something?

Because an opinion held yesterday invalidates another opinion held today?

Because you were always right and now you have the proof?

Because you're older now, wiser now.

Because you deserve it.

Mitsubishi.

Because you're worth it

Loreal

"Because an opinion held yesterday invalidates another opinion held today?

-- cedar"

it doesn't invalidate it, it reinforces it! that is why i like it.

Oh I see, it confirms what you always thought?!! We can crack open the beers tonight, victory is ours!

http://www.manuelbieh.de/kram/blog_highfive.jpg

So Ronan didn't have a beard then and he doesn't have one now even when his tastes have changed?

I really do sometimes forget how childish ILM can be.

Although I will personally hold down every raffi fan to his/her infantile tastes for the rest of their life.

dude its not ilm, its pipecock

it is my fault Ronan doesn't know shit about dance music.

dude that post is from 5 years ago

i imagine talking w/ teenage pipecock about music would be an even more enlightening experience than talking with the pipecock of today

xxpost, your right.

Honestly, we get it, you don't like Ronan. Regardless of what he said that was so blatantly wrong, or contrary to your views, this is just flat out assaulting his character. Why bother even haranguing him, and with these public proclamations of his supposed idiocy. It really is more schoolyardish than anything.

actually i think u should be able to bust dudes balls about lol posts he made 5 years ago but its hard if yr not coming from a position that other ppl respect, and pipecock's boring authenticity thing doesnt help him, also wtf he doesnt like 'you make me feel mighty real'

teenage me was still into shit far more interesting than that. You have to go back to like 6th grade to even find some cluelessness and even then I still liked lots of good shit.

The thing that makes this funny is how insistant Ronan is that all music has equal chance of mattering in teh future when a cursory glance at anything he liked before shows it all to be trendy joker music. maybe my "authenticity" is boring, but my track record of falling for bullshit is so much shorter than his that it is ridiculous. And still he likes to go on and on about music that is obviously of the same calibre. A critic with no critical faculties, that shit is hilarious.

"hilarious"

those dj hell and erick morillo mixes are still pretty good. the only thing from that post of ronan's that i don't follow so much is plump djs ... darren emerson is OK.

its easy to not fall for bullshit when u pretty much take no risks

can u guys fight about burial again?

xposts

it's funny that you call someone out for liking "trendy music" though, pipecock. aren't you all about theo parrish and disco edits? if i had a curly hair for every faux-bike-messenger looking dude in SF who reps basic channel and "underground disco", why, i'd have a neckbeard almost as thick as yours

anyway i'd also point out that subliminal vol 3 was a little excessive at 3 discs, and the only volumes i'd really heartily recommend are volume 2 (harry "choo choo" romero) and volume 5 (the "back to the old school" volume)

but my track record of falling for bullshit is so much shorter than his that it is ridiculous

your "track record"?

seriously, do you think anybody is keeping track?

no risks? I had Venetian Snares stay at my house when we had him play at an event in Pittsburgh summer of 2000, before anyone was riding his jock. I was playing dubstep when it was good in 2001 before junglist jokers latched onto it. I've been repping Theo for 6 years and BC for 10 because they are and have been the shit.

if a critic's track record doesnt matter what are you supposed to judge them on?

i think a lot of people judge on personality ... unfortunately for you

it's cool though, aaron funk slept on your couch. did you compare hentai collections?

teenage me was still into shit far more interesting than that. You have to go back to like 6th grade to even find some cluelessness and even then I still liked lots of good shit.

um, who gives a rat's ass? try not judging people? i checked this thread to see if there was something i should go listen to & of course it's like this.

dunno what this track record is exactly. are you proud of this...track record? which part of your track record are you most pleased with? it sounds very good, i would love to see it one day!!

I've enjoyed Ronan's journey from Spacemen 3 luvvin' teen to mnml master. It's better to keep moving than to stand still.

no risks? I had Venetian Snares stay at my house when we had him play at an event in Pittsburgh summer of 2000, before anyone was riding his jock. I was playing dubstep when it was good in 2001 before junglist jokers latched onto it. I've been repping Theo for 6 years and BC for 10 because they are and have been the shit.

wow! you da man.

all aboard the pipewagon

WOOT WOOT

ts: poll threads vs pipecock

poll threads for ever and always if pipe cock would go away

or really that should be ts: evolution vs. creationism

xpost

Hahaha I don't follow most of the dance threads hard enough to get a handle on what a bulb this pipecock character is but I think that last post up there is a great help, thanks

I realize now why Ronan has been posting here so long: he feels very comfortable in the company of clowns like you guys. Good luck with that moving without standing still. Hahaha.

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/3636777/2/istockphoto_3636777_cute_dinosaur_vector_illustration.jpg

Good luck with everything, pipecock.

http://img.tesco.com/pi/Books/L/66/9781405306966.jpg

Absolutely agree with Vahid re Subliminal Sessions 2, and would be willing to extend benefit of the doubt to volume 3 - didn't pick it up only due to the expense.

Also Jon Carter's 7 Mix is amazing.

And that Hell mix is pretty ace.

And I was cool enough to like dubstep in 2001, and cooler than anyone who ever liked Venetian Snares at any time.

Well as another (occasional) neckbeard who at one point did listen to a lot of Venetian Snares, (and I'm agreeing with you here Tim, you are much cooler than me) I'd just like to say.

Tom, you're a talented DJ, really enjoyed your last mix.

But could you please stop being such a dick to these nice people?

Please?

I listened to much much more uncool stuff than Ronan did at 18, feel free to rip my Christian rock loving, highly repressed 16 year old self a new one.

But people change for a reason wouldn't you say?

jokes alan!

Anyway ronan's choices totally weren't uncool in 2002 - and wouldn't be uncool now even.

In fact it's not as if there's really a blatantly uncool area of dance music now except perhaps bosh/hardstyle/jumpstyle and um I dunno Sasha-style prog. The people who still listen to breaks and post-Subliminal house (basically Fedde, Axwell, Seamus Haji etc.) (oh and these are two distinct groups of people btw) have just as many hip haircuts and shoes as any other dance music group.

If anything I suspect pipecock's argument is that they were cool but not authentic.

But it's such a ridiculous and boring argument - esp. coming from him - that it's not worth engaging with it seriously.

Well, I'm not sure if its authenticity that he's privileging so much as respect maybe?

I know as a white DJ, and collector of marginalia living in America, I feel like I have to show a certain amount of respect towards the traditions and culture that created a lot of the music I enjoy.

That is African American culture, and sometimes Afro-Caribbean.

Sometimes that tends to end up putting people in the straight jacket of too much respect or musical conservatism.

For what it is though, sometimes I wish I could sit down with a sampler and bang out Moodymann-esque tracks till I die. Just think Moodymann does it better than I ever could.

" Good luck with that moving without standing still."

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/142/039_51157~Jamiroquai-Posters.jpg
Pipecock yesterday.

I wasn't kidding BTW, pipecock's last mix was really good.

http://www.trackwerk.net/?p=86

I've got a lot of room in my life for this kind of deep house.

But not enough to completely ignore the vast majority of European music so that I can dig endlessly in Detroit for obscure house singles.

True, I also think "Virtual Insanity" is a great song.

"Little L" also kinda hard to resist at times.

I guess I could live with about 6 or 7 Stevie Wonder albums and never ever feel the need to listen to Jamiroquai.

I do seem to remember liking a few of his music videos for some reason though.

i still have ... uh ... the one with the photo of the moon on it? that has, like, three or four pretty good tracks on it.

the idea of not needing jamiroquai because of stevie wonder is about equivalent to, like, "oh, i have a few michael jackson albums, no need to buy any scritti politti"

not that jamiroquai is anywhere near as good as scritti but the argument is about as poorly-constructed.

I actually don't like Scritti much either.

Maybe I should give Cupid and Psyche another shot, it kind of sounded like a really limp Prince sound alike last time I tried to get into it.

it *is* a really limp sound ... maybe because these guys aren't egotistical sex maniacs (like most US funkateers) ... they're some sort of, i dunno, aesthetes, i guess??

i have a theory that jamiroquai's good songs aren't actually his disco/funk tracks but his fruity jazz-fusion and downtempo tracks ... "mr moon", "stillness in time", "space cowboy", "half the man", "morning glory", etc etc

i don't think it's a huge stretch to say cupid & psyche is glossy and insubstantial on purpose ... aren't all the songs about looking at girls and perfect platonic love? well, except for the pop-reggae ones, that is.

I guess I have more affection for egotistical sex maniacs with bad 80s hair than I have for English aesthetes who quote post-structuralist philosophers in songs that sound like bad knock offs of American sex maniacs.

But thats just me, to each his own.

(Full disclaimer, I lived in Minnesota for awhile, Prince hatred often results in hostility up there)

Yeah, maybe what I don't like is the intentional glossiness.

How I can like Stereolab and not Scritti is a mystery though.

"knock-off" is a value judgement, not a statement of fact ...

Point taken, statement of opinion in this case as well.

I'm off to find my copy of Cupid and Psyche, right after this Doobie Brothers record gets finished.

Maybe I should get round to listening to that Hell mix, seeing as I got it cheap about a year after it came out. Which is now 4 years ago.

i hope you listen to it on a good stereo w/ a big soundstage ... the spatial / dub stuff in tracks like "absolute" is *amazing*

that's an xpost re: cupid & psyche

Although UR's "Transition" also sounds amazing on a good stereo.

i actually prefer the EBM disc ... it has this fantastic sequence on it

2-01 German Broadcasters S-Channel (Radio Broadcast Mix)
2-02 Force Legato System
2-03 Nitzer Ebb Control I'm Here
2-04 DJ Rok* Blue Flame
2-05 Bigod 20 The Bog
2-06 Front 242 Headhunter
2-07 El Loco Ibiza (Club Mix)
2-08 Jay Harker Bela Lugosi's Dead (The Voice Mix)
2-09 Nitzer Ebb Join In The Chant
2-10 Green Velvet Stranj
2-11 Front 242 Masterhit (Part 1: Masterblaster)

now HERE's a mix

True the second disc is great and the first disc never quite lives up to its first track.

Fuse Presents Hell is best thing ever though.

Ha ha sincere x-post!

Best DJ mix Pipecock never made??

Andrew McLauchlan Love Story

^^ who was this mystery man?!?

this is also one HELL of a mix. check out that tracklisting!

Probably my favourite X-mix along with John Acquaviva and Dave Angel.

Love Story is a strangely context-free record...

oddly enough i have been playing the fuse presents hell mix a lot lately!

another weird pseudo-coincindence: i was going to single out scritti's last album on the melchior prod thread because i sense similar production aesthetics at work.

this whole argument about authenticity and detroit techno is weird because at one point detroit techno was also trendy and popular "haircut" club music. i suppose it has come back into vogue now, but it is amazing what 20 years of historical baggage will do! to botox or not to botox??

"If anything I suspect pipecock's argument is that they were cool but not authentic.

-- Tim F"

not sure where you get the idea that they were cool. DJ Hell is not that bad, but his usefulness had long since run out by 2002. the rest of that shit was trendy nonsense that sucked then and sucks even more now. if anything, Ronan has a knack for picking things that get worse as they age. that is a talent i guess!

cool = trendy in general parlance maybe?

Pipecock let it go.

the proof is in the pudding

I downloaded a couple of pipecock's mixes and found them a total yawn. Dude writes like he's got ULTRA-REFINED tastes, and there were a couple of nice tracks, but he also as a penchant for hairy-chested talentless bad vibes + a John Bolton/Dick Cheney/nationalist attitude to the US so all vitriol he posts gets filtered through this bummerfilter

Grain of salt, etc

"cool = trendy in general parlance maybe?

-- Raw Patrick"

if cool is meant to be used in a derogatory manner....

I didn't realize pipcock was still around. He's still so funny.

"the proof is in the pudding

I downloaded a couple of pipecock's mixes and found them a total yawn. Dude writes like he's got ULTRA-REFINED tastes, and there were a couple of nice tracks, but he also as a penchant for hairy-chested talentless bad vibes"

such as?

"+ a John Bolton/Dick Cheney/nationalist attitude to the US so all vitriol he posts gets filtered through this bummerfilter

Grain of salt, etc

-- good dog"

yeah, that nationalist attitude. aside from a mix in which someone else asked me to play all american records, there are records from germany, italy, UK, africa, netherlands, brazil, and japan in my mixes. so good luck with that.

I like Pipecock! But this thing he has w/Ronan, that he's persued across Res Advisor and more, is pathetic.

Ronan starts shit with me, i only laugh at posts like the ones he made in this thread. and *I* am the one who persues it. hahaha.

Yeah that's not starting shit at all. You are such a weird insecure dude.

Ronan starts shit with me, i only laugh at posts like the ones he made in this thread. and *I* am the one who persues it. hahaha.

You revived this thread = you the stalker.

"Yeah that's not starting shit at all. You are such a weird insecure dude.

-- Alex in SF"

it isn't starting shit compared to the shit he directs at me.

insecure? really? that is pretty funny.

"You revived this thread = you the stalker.

-- Raw Patrick"

someone else revived the thread, i just happened to read it as it sounded possibly interesting.

Yeah but you revived it.

"Yeah but you revived it.

-- Raw Patrick"

i like to think i transformed it.

"it isn't starting shit compared to the shit he directs at me."

Are you six? Seriously only an elementary school kid would use that as a justification.

Suffice it to say you spend way way too much time trying to convince everyone of your superiority. Only someone with serious shortcomings is that concerned with oneupsmanship.

would love to actually get some mp3 mix blogs on this thread. i'm always looking for moar new mixes, too.

errr... insert 'links to' somewhere in that sentence.

i like to think i transformed it.

Alchemists do shit into gold not vice versa.

OK. Bed.

dunno about a track record with venetian snares and dubstep tbh but i listen to toni iordache and fanica luca so whatever

not sure why this guy follows ronan about on internet either

prolly lives in some bullshit town like columbus

"Are you six? Seriously only an elementary school kid would use that as a justification."

so thinking something that someone posted is funny is the same as trying to start fights with them? okay, if you say so. i am laughing at you too, is that starting shit as well?

"Suffice it to say you spend way way too much time trying to convince everyone of your superiority. Only someone with serious shortcomings is that concerned with oneupsmanship.

-- Alex in SF"

only someone with serious shortcomings would be that concerned with trying to find my shortcomings. i am still just laughing at you, dumbass.

http://www.gigolorecords.com/images/large/hell_press_photo___gq__car.jpg

"not sure why this guy follows ronan about on internet either"

yeah, i follow him.

"prolly lives in some bullshit town like columbus

-- Tracksuit Party"

you must not know your way "around internet" buddy, it's not really hard to find out where i live.

"-- tricky"

i know you wish i was your dad, but i can never be as cool as he is.

Haha ohmigod you are six!

"Haha ohmigod you are six!

-- Alex in SF"

not the guy posting the silly picture, me. of course.

dunno never looked you up on internet dont really know who you are sorry

Six don't have neckbeard like that.

Trying to make meme.

"dunno never looked you up on internet dont really know who you are sorry

-- Tracksuit Party"

then get off my dick, thanks!

"Six don't have neckbeard like that.

-- Raw Patrick"

your mom knows how to grow them though.

LOL, um i remember seeing dj hell around 2002 and he got this insane ovation before even dropping the needle on the first record. and then he played vitalic a few cuts in and the place just went bananas. 2002 was a really weird year for dance music.

so if hell outlasted his usefulness by 2002, what was he useful for?

xpost

sounds like columbus was a good guess

"sounds like columbus was a good guess

-- Tracksuit Party"

was it?

dunno if playing dubstep in 2001 in ohio is some kind of injoke problem of english as second language i guesss

ha this is where you turn out to be in chicago or dusseldorf or something isnt it;)

"so if hell outlasted his usefulness by 2002, what was he useful for?

-- tricky"

http://www.discogs.com/release/5180

http://www.discogs.com/release/80088

http://www.discogs.com/release/2095

http://www.discogs.com/release/27445

http://www.discogs.com/release/965

amongst others. i never heard it but that X-Mix he did sure looks good....

I think MT runs the same argument as Pipecock re Hell. I wonder if Detroit dudes would have turned against him so hard had IDG not blown up that same year.

got respect for MT sticks to his guns but dont disagree with him much

Gesamtkunstwerk is a great record

"I think MT runs the same argument as Pipecock re Hell. I wonder if Detroit dudes would have turned against him so hard had IDG not blown up that same year.

-- Tim F"

it really has nothing to do with "blowing up", it has to do with the bullshit they put out:

http://www.discogs.com/release/14357

http://www.discogs.com/release/18500

http://www.discogs.com/release/20111

and that zombie nation track that they play in stadiums is pretty embarassing too, though that was before these other crimes.

they have a couple other things that were decent later, but so much IDG was so terrible. the bobby konders comp was dope as was any Drexciya related shit.

"Gesamtkunstwerk is a great record

-- Tracksuit Party"

also, in case you didnt know, those tunes all came out on Dataphysix Engineering previously. it is a compilation, though a highly useful and entertaining one.

what you think of toni iordache son?

i am aware of that fact

it doesnt make me a better person

"my definition of house music" is great as well. it samples this which is also a great track.

btw dled a few of your mixes on here over the years, tricky

a+. turned me onto a lotta stuff didnt know about!

""my definition of house music" is great as well. it samples this which is also a great track.

-- tricky"

i mentioned that one, it is a dope track.

"i am aware of that fact

it doesnt make me a better person

-- Tracksuit Party"

it makes Hell much less responsible for it, the tunes were already classics. but props to him for putting that comp out there!

"it doesnt make me a better person"

seems to be the crux of the argument doesn't it?

xpost,

"i mentioned that one, it is a dope track."

yeah silly that's why i mentioned it up.

cheers tracksuit!

:D

uh up

why don't you guys wait till you get home to start sucking each other off....

I been off ILX for a while working on a few things think this thread could do with a current Tricky top X!

here's the tracklist for the last mix i made and will probably never finish.

foremost poets - pressin on
2 dawgs - it's a dawgs life (freestyle man old school trance mix)
st german - rose rouge (rhadoo edit)
pepe bradock - life
aeroplane ft kathy diamond - whispers (love affair rmx)
liberty city - some lovin (original mix)
i cling - deetron (aril brikha rmx) -- the blend b/w this and the above track didn't work
mathew jonson - freedom engine
telepopmusik - love can damage your health (abicah soul rmx)
melchior productions - black mother -- the blend b/w this and the above didn't work
sebbo - watamu beach (moritz von oswald remix)

i canned the mix because of the above noted problems. i tend to make mixes live but iteratively and the tracks always change. i'm sure that's how a lot of folks do it.

don't really have a top x at the moment, but i really like the san proper remix of the new ricardo villalobos remix and the "headphone silence" remixes on objectivity.

so many typos in that post. oh well.

hmmm i like the "good" and "bad" stuff pipecock posted re: IDG equally well, though he sort of missed what i think of as the REALLY big guns of IDG

http://www.discogs.com/release/25420
http://www.discogs.com/release/138758
http://www.discogs.com/release/31547
http://www.discogs.com/release/224802

basically a more polished version of "the austrian sound" of labels like DISKO-B

IDG is as guilty as anyone of supporting incredibly sub-par US dance music just because it's, you know, US dance music made by US black dudes

http://www.discogs.com/release/25421
http://www.discogs.com/release/302250

^^ both pretty awful

though occasionally they were "useful" (reminds me of kruschev for some reason)

http://www.discogs.com/release/105946

BTW hell produced "the track of the year" as late as 2006 (in scare quotes because i usually have about ten of these in any given year) ... really made all of the other versions seem rather limp

http://www.discogs.com/release/608705

"reminds me of kruschev for some reason)"

you're not the only one.

and "deer in the headlights" (dj hell remix) is a contender for that tracklist i posted above.

i liked the dub of 'deer...' the best! all mixes were good tho.

Tricky that tricklist looks awesome awesome - esp. starting with Foremost Poets!

Yeah the "Deer In The Headlights" remix was ace. I also really enjoyed Hell's Misch Masch mix, which had a marvellous and quite distinct cold electro-tech vibe to it, like if (early) Black Strobe and Bodzin had collaborated on a homage to Detroit techno - probably outmoded now in the new deep house or Berghain muscle-techno landscape. (the remixes disc was mostly downhill after "Deer In The Headlights" sadly)

Against Pipecock's general position, often it's precisely because some ideas don't stay popular or current that they remain enigmatic. If that Misch Masch mix had represented the future it'd probably be a lot less interesting*. Likewise Fuse Presents Hell is a classic because (much more perversely) no-one else seems to have done anything like it.

* To be fair there's probably a few DJ mixes I haven't heard that are in this vein after all, like those Oliver Huntemann Play! mixes - but it's the detroitisms of the Misch Masch mix that feel distinct.

I am more or less planning on staying out of this one. This is about as depressing as listening to the recommendations in the 2008 bobbins thread.

Can anyone recommend any of the International Deejay Gigolo comps out there? My understanding is that they started off quite well but pretty much turned to shit...

speaking of enigmatic:

"This is about as depressing as listening to the recommendations in the 2008 bobbins thread."

do you have an invisibility cloak, too? ;)

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thanks, tim! my tracklists will now be called tricklists!

hey pipecock....

it is always depressing being the eternal "quality music" saddo, looking in at people talking about music they like, having fun

he really should be posting to soulstrut

This is where I check in and mumble something sheepish about how much I liked Cupid and Psyche when I listened to it last night.

I must have been in a seriously foul mood the first couple times I listened to it, don't know what my deal was.

So yeah, Vahid's right, I was being an idiot.

Green Gartside really knew his way around a Fairlight apparently.

I've been enjoying some of this guy's radio shows.

Its boogie, electro and disco mixed with some hipstery stuff.

IE: FUN!

http://www.onedaylater.blogspot.com/

Green Gartside really knew his way around a Fairlight apparently.

Or David Gamson and Arif Mardin?

Well, yeah that'd be me being ignorant.

Who else was using a Fairlight back then, Peter Gabriel, Kate Bush, a few other people maybe?

I know that the Cure were using one by the mid 80s.

re: scritti

check the bez-esque backup dancer in the STUDIO ONE shirt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vng8C5Bj9kA

Green's outfit in that video is something as well.

Is it true he actually had a heart attack at 23 because of stage fright?

Anyone care to put holes in my theory that Scritti were actually just one in a long line of whiter than white dub sounding artists?

It would go something like Tusk-->Avalon-->Cupid And Psyche in a rough chronology.

I guess the difference was that Green would appear to be explicitly aware of the existence of dub where Roxy and Fleetwood weren't.

I've been at work through almost all of this, all I'm going to say is I find it kind of sad (and not in a fuck you pipecock way) that even if somebody isn't actually around people actually revive a thread just to argue with or attack them anyway.

It's like people just need an opposite to rant at. It's so far from music, or liking music, or anything that ever made anyone want to write about or talk about music, or why people make music.

Well I'm not going to get involved any further, this is all I'm saying on it.

Hey Ronan let's have a positive convo instead - are there any commercially-released DJ mixes you've enjoyed of late?

Good idea. I never hear any really these days since I haven't worked in a store for so long, but I've been listening to this a lot lately, from a few years back.

Just noticed another one was released last year.

And I got sent the new Onur Ozer Watergate which is good, Cassy's new track on it is cool. Also the Full Pupp compilation is good in places too.

The Optimo disc of that new Sub Club 2CD was sounding good last night when I was drunk.

whats the word on the new OLIVER HUNTEMANN?

wait wait wait ich habe confusiert meine MANNer ...

not the new OLIVER HUNTEMANN, rather the new MARCEL DETTMANN (berghain mix cd)

the dettmann mix made me lol. the ja-a-cking zone! i like it though, even more so than the galluzzi mix.

the other manns play mixes look good too, at least the first one. love that shokh/star track with the hd revving sounds.