https://www.facebook.com/RajiSusime/posts/10155135925184448?hc_location=ufi
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 22 January 2017 21:12 (eight years ago)
ffffffffffuuuuuuuuuck
― the greg evigan school of improvised explosive devices (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 22 January 2017 21:14 (eight years ago)
rip my favourite drummer ever
what a drummer he was, RIP Jaki.
― calzino, Sunday, 22 January 2017 21:23 (eight years ago)
Gahhhhh
(Who's the source?)
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 22 January 2017 21:24 (eight years ago)
oh jeez, RIP
― sleeve, Sunday, 22 January 2017 21:24 (eight years ago)
Say it ain't so. Waiting for definitive confirmation.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Sunday, 22 January 2017 21:25 (eight years ago)
Still "is" on Wikipedia
― Mark G, Sunday, 22 January 2017 21:26 (eight years ago)
:(
jaki was absolutely amazing. one of my favorite drummers.
RIP
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 22 January 2017 21:27 (eight years ago)
hoping its not true but dont see why anybody would create a hoax
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 22 January 2017 21:27 (eight years ago)
Glad I did at least get to see him play live. Shame it wasn't a full blown Can gig though do have footage of tehm.
Went to the Dublin night of various ex-Can members playing solo stuff.
& do love him on the Can material. May have to bung on the Waldbeuhne thing from '72 now
― Stevolende, Sunday, 22 January 2017 21:29 (eight years ago)
― In Walked Bodhisattva (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 January 2017 21:30 (eight years ago)
I'll wait until there's more concrete news on this from a reliable source.
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Sunday, 22 January 2017 21:38 (eight years ago)
the link came from a reliable source
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 22 January 2017 21:40 (eight years ago)
damn he was incredible. RIP
― wins, Sunday, 22 January 2017 21:49 (eight years ago)
No.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 22 January 2017 21:50 (eight years ago)
That sucks.
RIP you funky human drum machine
― An Alan Bennett Joint (Michael B), Sunday, 22 January 2017 21:52 (eight years ago)
Still holding out hope this isn't true until confirmed. Until then listen to Jaki + Holger in full effect:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHdSY391tIc
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Sunday, 22 January 2017 21:57 (eight years ago)
― the late great, Sunday, 22 January 2017 22:10 (eight years ago)
Still no other source?
― Mark G, Sunday, 22 January 2017 22:10 (eight years ago)
RIP, what an absolute legend.
I had the opportunity to chat with him after a show 12 years ago in a very faraway land and he was very kind and gracious.
I listen to Vitamin C at least once a week and every single time I'm constantly amazed by everything Jaki is doing throughout that entire track.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 22 January 2017 22:14 (eight years ago)
... listening to it right now!
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Sunday, 22 January 2017 22:15 (eight years ago)
xxpost:
Not as far as I can see.
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Sunday, 22 January 2017 22:15 (eight years ago)
This source is rather vague.
Carla Diratz Raji do you have any details of what happened please...?1 · 10 minsRaji Susimé Carla Diratz no, not yet, it will take a while.2 · 7 mins
― jmm, Sunday, 22 January 2017 22:18 (eight years ago)
well, according to wikipedia just now
Born 26 May 1938 (age 78)Dresden, GermanyDied 22 January 2017 (aged Expression error: Unexpected < operator–Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character "{".Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character "{".)Expression error: Unexpected > operatorGenres Krautrock, electronic, European free jazz
― wins, Sunday, 22 January 2017 22:29 (eight years ago)
well this sucks
― NickB, Sunday, 22 January 2017 22:30 (eight years ago)
Confirmed
https://www.facebook.com/officialCan
― jmm, Sunday, 22 January 2017 22:35 (eight years ago)
only saw him once about a dozen years ago with jah wobble's solaris ensemble - jaki, jah, harold budd, bill laswell, graham haynes. jaki was the reason we went and the real star of this show. a man who could bend time at will, always assumed he would thus never die
― NickB, Sunday, 22 January 2017 22:37 (eight years ago)
Saw him play last year. Shook his hand. RIP Jaki, a master musician.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Sunday, 22 January 2017 22:39 (eight years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FaydRUQ42Q
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 22 January 2017 22:39 (eight years ago)
the best !i love to play cannibalism ii just to hear him across the eras, doing a thousand different thingsrip
― schlump, Sunday, 22 January 2017 22:45 (eight years ago)
RIP :(
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Sunday, 22 January 2017 22:45 (eight years ago)
Rest of the band seem a bit tentative and nervy at first, but not Jaki, he just steamrollers along all but drowning everyone else eventually!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QLL2j8ZtxE
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Sunday, 22 January 2017 22:46 (eight years ago)
Looking dashing from some 90s SPIN, one of my first non black/white low-res, pre-internet glimpses at the CAN:http://i.imgur.com/T9h3ioq.jpg
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 22 January 2017 23:03 (eight years ago)
RIP, a true legend. I listen and hear music differently (and better) because of Jake Liebezeit
― Dominique, Sunday, 22 January 2017 23:38 (eight years ago)
Went to the Dublin night of various ex-Can members playing solo stuff.― Stevolende, Sunday, 22 January 2017 21:29 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Stevolende, Sunday, 22 January 2017 21:29 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
1999 or so? I was at that too, fond memories of dragging some schoolmates along.
― Headphone Jack (seandalai), Monday, 23 January 2017 00:04 (eight years ago)
Can were always a group of outstanding individual players, but it is inconceivable to think what they have sounded like without Jaki.
― calzino, Monday, 23 January 2017 00:23 (eight years ago)
RIP. Probably my favorite drummer. Just the pure sound of his drums were something else. His sense of rhythm still knocks me out.
― Michael F Gill, Monday, 23 January 2017 00:34 (eight years ago)
xp agreed, he was their binding agent/catalyst
― sleeve, Monday, 23 January 2017 00:38 (eight years ago)
Love his drumming here (also there and everywhere)RIP Jaki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAhTMkXAPUk
― めんどくさかった (Matt #2), Monday, 23 January 2017 00:50 (eight years ago)
search the first two Pluramon records, he is all over those and sounds so good
― sleeve, Monday, 23 January 2017 00:50 (eight years ago)
^^ yes.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 January 2017 00:53 (eight years ago)
aw man, RIP human metronome
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 23 January 2017 00:59 (eight years ago)
Oh god, no, that man spoke directly to my soul. The best ever.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Monday, 23 January 2017 01:12 (eight years ago)
I read about Can for years before I ever actually heard them, and I don't know what I expected them to sound like -- "weird," I guess, influential in some way. I was totally unprepared for them to be a funky groove band, and Jaki was totally the soul of the band's sound. They might have still been a good band with a different drummer, I don't know, but he made them great.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 23 January 2017 02:45 (eight years ago)
Fuck. Probably my favourite drummer, and getting to hang out when I supported him and Hans Joachim Irmler in 2015 was a fucking dream come true. He was super lovely, too.
― emil.y, Monday, 23 January 2017 02:47 (eight years ago)
RIP. I'm off to play Halleluwah on an infinite loop.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 23 January 2017 02:47 (eight years ago)
When will we be home, be at home, a line, no questionsNow I don't know what I feel, "be easy", Jaki said thatI just saw her, could say another colour, I don't know if that's good or bad"For five colours will make the ears blind", Jaki said thatActually here's the sound, I hear that
― earlnash, Monday, 23 January 2017 03:45 (eight years ago)
i can probably do without most rhythms if i can just have jaki and autechre ca. 1994.
― The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Monday, 23 January 2017 04:56 (eight years ago)
have spent past 10 years or so commuting to/from work and being one of those people finger-drumming on the steering wheel to kill time. there are only two instances i've gone into work with blood on my hands from smashing my fingers so hard on the steering wheel to a song i was on listening to and one of them was "halleluwah." rip jaki
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 23 January 2017 05:07 (eight years ago)
xxp heresy, Ae have become more and more interesting rhythmically as they've gone on. Jaki, well he's just a fundamental constant of the universe.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Monday, 23 January 2017 05:09 (eight years ago)
fuck everything
― KitevsPill, Monday, 23 January 2017 08:35 (eight years ago)
So underrated I've been bummed about this and noone knows who I'm talking about, he deserves better he was the best rock drummer for me no contest. I need new friends.
― dance cum rituals (Moka), Monday, 23 January 2017 10:28 (eight years ago)
i always forget that holger, irmin and jaki were older when can started, so i was surprised to realise jaki was 78. still too young, obviously
i was reading david stubbs' book on krautrock recently and i enjoyed the story about someone (i forget exactly who) getting annoyed in the studio by the sound of a drum loop that someone had left running for hours upstairs. their patience wearing thin, they went to investigate and found jaki at his kit, hammering out the same metronomic rhythm he'd been playing all morning, and getting annoyed by the interruption
― the greg evigan school of improvised explosive devices (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 January 2017 10:41 (eight years ago)
It's possible to overstate the metronomic minimalistic aspects of Jaki's drumming with Can, he could extremely maximal live!
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 23 January 2017 10:57 (eight years ago)
I think the metronome is the unshakeable pulse running through everything he did - delicate cymbal patterns, straight 4 or head-down explosive freakouts, he was permanently locked to the cosmic timebase.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Monday, 23 January 2017 11:07 (eight years ago)
Very true.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 23 January 2017 11:08 (eight years ago)
and maximal on record when required too - the multiple overlapping drum parts on halleluwah, for example
― the greg evigan school of improvised explosive devices (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 January 2017 11:15 (eight years ago)
When you listen to CAN for the drums, as I usually do, the edits on the long pieces really jump out because the drum pattern shifts abruptly instead of the steady evolution he would have done in between.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Monday, 23 January 2017 11:29 (eight years ago)
:( RIP
in the 90s everyone talked about how amazing Can were but everything was v out of print so all I could find was their later work (Rite Time and later an Out of Reach+s/t twofer), which left me going "I don't really get it but they do have an amazing drummer"
finally Napster came along and CDs were reissued and I could appreciate the canonical good stuff, and also that they had a really, really amazing drummer
― a passing spacecadet, Monday, 23 January 2017 12:02 (eight years ago)
The only things that seemed to be around was the "I want more" single, and the album with all the mice on it. (I got the single)
Many years later, got the 2CD "Anthology", heard "Father Cannot Yell" and was away.,.
― Mark G, Monday, 23 January 2017 13:29 (eight years ago)
fuck me - RIP legend
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 23 January 2017 14:18 (eight years ago)
RIP jaki heroOne of the most important musicians in recorded history IMO
― his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Monday, 23 January 2017 15:22 (eight years ago)
jammed Tago Mago this morning. One of the top 5 rock drummers ever. Almost seems limiting to just call him a "drummer."
― tylerw, Monday, 23 January 2017 15:29 (eight years ago)
totally
not to insult drummers!
but totally
― his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Monday, 23 January 2017 15:39 (eight years ago)
Weeeeelllll, it is insulting drummers a bit. Jaki played other instruments but was a drummer through and through.
Pink Floyd? Joking... but not outrageously.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 23 January 2017 15:45 (eight years ago)
He was a drummer! He was the drummer I most want to be and he inspired me to start playing. I can't believe he's gone.
My only consolation is that his spirit lives on in the playing of so many other drummers who he has inspired. I continue to believe that my dreams of being The Jaki in someone's band will come true. RIP, teacher.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 23 January 2017 15:49 (eight years ago)
ha, yeah, no offense to drummers! i guess i just meant that his parts always seemed more like fully-fledged compositions than backbeats. something like that, anyway.
― tylerw, Monday, 23 January 2017 15:51 (eight years ago)
Also seems like Jaki and Malcolm steered the direction of the band early on, away from arty noodlings to something with considerably more oomph.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 23 January 2017 15:52 (eight years ago)
I think what I was trying to say is that he was 100% a drummer, and could only have arrived where he arrived by drumming, but like a few other players of miserable physical contraptions he reached a place where drumming becomes idk pure source code or something
― his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Monday, 23 January 2017 15:54 (eight years ago)
Tyler - what you describe is part of being an excellent drummer imo. Not a cog in the machine but the engine itself.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 23 January 2017 15:55 (eight years ago)
^otm.
― nerve_pylon, Monday, 23 January 2017 15:57 (eight years ago)
there's a reason prince always did the drum track first
― his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Monday, 23 January 2017 15:57 (eight years ago)
yes, you're right LL!
i like this
"Jaki was always proud of being able to make certain people in the audience vomit," claims Karoli. "He could focus on one person in the crowd, and this person would start vomiting. We had a very medical approach to music."
"It would have been a healing for the guy; he needed it," explains Schmidt.
― tylerw, Monday, 23 January 2017 15:59 (eight years ago)
We had a very medical approach to music.
this is incredible
― the greg evigan school of improvised explosive devices (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 January 2017 16:02 (eight years ago)
that's amazing
been in my head all day
― ogmor, Monday, 23 January 2017 16:03 (eight years ago)
Shit news, but lord what a force of nature he was.
https://youtu.be/5a_XVM7LGnk
― Sunn O))) Brother Where Art Thou? (Chinaski), Monday, 23 January 2017 18:27 (eight years ago)
I mean, hell of a run, that's the key thing -- compared to some of the losses last year, 78 years is a long time. It feels more like Cohen's passing than anything else -- someone who kept busy for decades who could have simply rested on laurels. In strict Can terms, Karoli passing at 53 was the real tragedy.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 January 2017 18:33 (eight years ago)
(xp) He said he never did drum solos, what happened at that gig was there was a power cut and Jaki kept playing, even though the entire venue was in darkness, until the power came on. I had that gig on a bootleg cassette years and years ago, Brussels, 1976.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 23 January 2017 18:36 (eight years ago)
+1If Jaki Liebezeit would still be alive, most other drummers could shut up.
― Vast Halo, Monday, 23 January 2017 20:43 (eight years ago)
damn that is only a single character too long for a display name if u take out the comma and space
― If Jaki Liebezeit would still be alive most other drummers could shut u (sleeve), Monday, 23 January 2017 20:49 (eight years ago)
That's bc you don't really mean it ;)
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 23 January 2017 20:57 (eight years ago)
In strict Can terms, Karoli passing at 53 was the real tragedy.
v true
― the greg evigan school of improvised explosive devices (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 January 2017 20:57 (eight years ago)
Seconded
― In Walked Bodhisattva (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 January 2017 21:02 (eight years ago)
for a band which played so incredibly fluidly together it's also pretty amazing that can had two super-distinctive players in karoli and leibezeit
― the greg evigan school of improvised explosive devices (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 January 2017 21:06 (eight years ago)
Underrated piece of Liebezeit drumming: his appearance on 'The Bottom Line' on Depeche Mode's Ultra. Apparently he tracked each drum separately, too.
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 23 January 2017 21:30 (eight years ago)
I always thought late period, great drumming from Liebezeit was on the Cyclopean mini-album from a few years back. VERY Can sounding (also w/Irmin Schmidt), and a great example of how he could be super minimal, and still provide a rich, organically unfolding rhythmic bed for everyone else to swim on top of. Someone mentioned how Can without Liebezeit becomes Pink Floyd above -- I'd actually argue they become something like early Cluster. Masses of nuanced noise and tape edits minus Jaki's spacetime grid.
― Dominique, Monday, 23 January 2017 21:37 (eight years ago)
recommendations of underappreciated jaki tracks v welcome on this thread - dunno how underappreciated this is tbh but here's jaki and holger underpinning the eurythmics on their conny plank-produced debut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rpbwsZQtAI
― the greg evigan school of improvised explosive devices (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 January 2017 21:47 (eight years ago)
here's one from the Cyclopean record, sort of a Soon Over Babaluma vibe:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLZIQnHpp8c
― Dominique, Monday, 23 January 2017 21:55 (eight years ago)
The Cyclopean record is excellent. I listened to it this morning while I wondered how he could sound so alive & bubbly in 2013 and be gone today. I really like the Oblique Sessions with Pascal Comelade, this song esp https://youtu.be/FvWq2UfrTh8
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 23 January 2017 22:04 (eight years ago)
Here is Jaki & friends covering a Can sing from the same album <3https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XJYqwHssduo
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 23 January 2017 22:19 (eight years ago)
Oops song not singAt least it didn't say dong (lol)
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 23 January 2017 22:20 (eight years ago)
Can't really add anything of worth to what the rest of you have said. Just a fantastic drummer. Rest in peace.
― The boy who cried 'wolf' in a crowded theatre (Mr Andy M), Monday, 23 January 2017 22:33 (eight years ago)
hell, can _with_ jaki is pretty close to pink floyd. there's a great off-air audio recording from a 1974 ogwt performance (the video seems to be missing) where they do a piece called "untitled (for pink floyd)" and it's great. some days i think early 1974 can, just post-damo, was their pinnacle as a band.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Monday, 23 January 2017 22:38 (eight years ago)
here's a complete live show from that era.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvpDPmqYxMo
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Monday, 23 January 2017 22:40 (eight years ago)
Just put on the Cyclopean record – I really like this.
I was also into some of his Secret Rhythms work with Burnt Friedman. This one from those records, sporting a David Sylvian vocal, was particularly nice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIF2qO_kYhY&feature=share
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 00:20 (eight years ago)
I don't know why you're singling out just those two, they are all super-distinctive, I mean who the fuck ever sounded like Holger Czukay?!??!? Talking of which, coming home tonight, listening to "Quantum Physics", what Jaki and Holger are doing on that track is pure magic, it's almost beyond telepathy, aaaarggh, I love those guys so much! Please don't die for a long time yet, Holger!
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 00:36 (eight years ago)
^i came here to post 'Quantum Physics'—Jaki's playing on this is otherworldly. poetic:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSxRmU8CofE
and my favorite record w/ Burnt Friedman is this ep; sadly not on YT.
― nerve_pylon, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 01:12 (eight years ago)
When I was a kid it was a c-90 of Soon Over Babaluma that got me into Can. At the the time the Chain Reaction/Quantum Physics run-out just sounded so rad. I was was so into it I walked at least a 10 mile round trip when I couldn't afford the full train fare to Leeds to buy Future Days from Jumbo Records.
― calzino, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 01:16 (eight years ago)
That was the first Can album I bought, as I'm sure I've recounted ad nauseum on ILX before, Chain Reaction/Quantum Physics is like my favourite 19 and half minutes ever.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 01:25 (eight years ago)
it is so good
thanks for the Burnt Friedman tip, I forgot JL played with those folks!
― sleeve, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 02:17 (eight years ago)
played "Halleluwah", "Mother Sky", "Bel Air" and Pluramon's "Tel. Bell" on the radio this afternoon
― sleeve, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 02:18 (eight years ago)
That's awesome you played those songs. Someone will hear them for the first time! I'm still sad about his death. I just wasn't anticipating it at all. I wanted moreand moreand moreand moreand moreand more
and more
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 02:50 (eight years ago)
The thing about Jaki and the whole "Human Metronome" thing is that for the last 25 years he's been anything but. Certainly he traded on it a bit on the Rother records (tho I think he sounds more like he's doing a Klaus Dinger on those records than anything there). But as the Friedman stuff and a bunch of his other stuff show in the years since, Jaki became an increasingly supple percussionist on the back nine of his career. It was always there but increasingly much more "Quantum Physics" than "Hallelujah." And he was every bit as good as ever.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 03:06 (eight years ago)
Thank you Jaki. What a musician.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 03:08 (eight years ago)
xxp: again, the "metronome" aspect has nothing to do with boring regularity in the actual rhythm played. It's the pulse which anchors all his fluidity and adventurousness. It's exactly like the best Autechre, there are rhythm patterns bordering on chaos but the pulse is implied so strongly it's visceral.Klaus Dinger played much more straight "motorik" beats for Neu! et al., but Jaki's metronome was like an atomic clock by comparison.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 03:34 (eight years ago)
they are all super-distinctive
Who ever sounded like Irmin Schmidt either? The ferocious solos toward the end of "Halleluhwah?"
― timellison, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 03:53 (eight years ago)
I feel like the metronome thing is insufficient. He didn't play on time or in time, he played with time. The beats were all in the right places, but there was a huge amount of elasticity between them.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 04:54 (eight years ago)
Human metronome makes him sound super boring and he was so NOT boring.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 05:01 (eight years ago)
He was powerful. And clever.
― timellison, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 06:33 (eight years ago)
And had super chops.
We were lucky to have him.
― his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 12:31 (eight years ago)
He didn't play on time or in time, he played with time.
It's almost like he was in liebe with ziet
― juggulo for the complete klvtz (bendy), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 13:28 (eight years ago)
About to come here to post this, more or less. Several of the obits I've seen complimented Jaki along the lines of "human metronome," but that is so inaccurate. He swung like a motherfucker, and just as no one would describe Elvin Jones as a human metronome, or John Bonham, for that matter, the phrase makes no sense describing what Jaki did. Now, Klaus Dinger, sure, human metronome. But Jaki? No way.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 15:56 (eight years ago)
i think it's because of those quotes from his bandmates saying he *wanted* to play like a machine.
"His deepest desire was to become a human machine," explains Czukay, "and he found the right guys to enforce that. He was The Can, he was the central figure; we all played around him."
"I didn't understand his aims in those days," adds Karoli, "because I still thought music was very much a human thing. But a drum machine could never play like Jaki: I know no other drummer who has such a sense of dosage for every single beat, how strong to hit it. The regularity of his snare drum work triggered off hallucinations."
― tylerw, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 15:59 (eight years ago)
What a fucked up metronome. I'm going to have my daughter practice her piano to Can and then blow her teacher's mind.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 16:06 (eight years ago)
xxp: again, the "metronome" aspect has nothing to do with boring regularity in the actual rhythm played. It's the pulse which anchors all his fluidity and adventurousness. It's exactly like the best Autechre, there are rhythm patterns bordering on chaos but the pulse is implied so strongly it's visceral.Klaus Dinger played much more straight "motorik" beats for Neu! et al., but Jaki's metronome was like an atomic clock by comparison.― attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 03:34 (twelve hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 03:34 (twelve hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^^^
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 16:17 (eight years ago)
I think that's crazy, too, re: Autechre. I love Autechre beats, but "metronomic" is absolutely not the word I'd choose.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 16:37 (eight years ago)
So I take it no one has listened to his playing on the Michael Rother records then? He is absolutely not swinging at all on those or deviating much from the set pattern. As noted above, he is almost doing a Klaus Dinger impression on those four records (all of which I love in part because of his Jaki's minimalist playing).
Just to be clear, my point was not that he was a human metronome – or that he was similar to Dinger. Rather, it was 1) that his reputation was perhaps influenced by those Rother records and, more importantly, 2) that his style and sound changed considerably in the second half of his career.
As amazing as something like "Hallelujah" was, there is a metric ton of James Brown in that performance that I haven't come across in any of his post-80s work. When I came across his performances on Nicky Skopelitis's Ecstasis, his sound had become much more Caribbean- and African-based, with tighter snares, more toms and odder time signatures. He continued that approach through much of the next two-plus decades.
That's all I was saying.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 17:06 (eight years ago)
he is almost doing a Klaus Dinger impression on those four records
Not much almost about it tbh. I don't think they had much of an impact on his reputation one way or the other, his style had changed on Can records by then anyway.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 17:09 (eight years ago)
yeah i think i assumed that the drummer on flammende herzen was dinger at first. seem to recall that Rother said Liebezeit was a genius, while Dinger was just "crazy."
― tylerw, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 17:10 (eight years ago)
Nicky Skopelitis's Ecstasis
wow I totally forgot about this album (and Jaki being on it). I bought so many of those Axiom records at the time.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 17:11 (eight years ago)
Would someone be able to attempt a Jaki playlist? Realising how little of his post-Can work I'm aware of.
― Sunn O))) Brother Where Art Thou? (Chinaski), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 19:07 (eight years ago)
here's a good primer on his non-Can action: http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/1422-jaki-liebezeits-best-drumming-outside-of-can/
― tylerw, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 19:13 (eight years ago)
He's on every Holger Czukay album - except the ones that don't have drums. Plus, I keep mentioning this album in the hope that someone listens to it, the album "Alex" by, er, Alex.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 19:19 (eight years ago)
Cheers for the primer link, Tyler. How have I never heard that Wobble track? Magnificent.
― Sunn O))) Brother Where Art Thou? (Chinaski), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 19:36 (eight years ago)
xxxxxp Josh - all I can say is playing Autechre in the car, my daughter observed "dad you are tapping to a beat which is not in the music". Maybe it's just me.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 20:09 (eight years ago)
Search out the recent Can poll results thread, also includes extra-Canicular activity.
The Alex album is certainly notable for being Holger & Jaki in Can studio in 1973 rehearsing or reprising Future Days type stuff. One track has a rhythm section that's basically a version of Spray.
Also check an uncredited Jaki on a Samba-Trip / Samba-Session & Hello Beach-Girls on Richard Schneider Jr.'s Dreamlike Land album.
― Noel Emits, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 20:39 (eight years ago)
As amazing as something like "Hallelujah" was,
― it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 20:53 (eight years ago)
Someone should get their plunderphonic on and do a Handel halleluwah chorus
― his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 22:16 (eight years ago)
NP pluramon render banditsThis is delicious and I am excited that I've never over-listened to it despite having it awhile
― his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 22:23 (eight years ago)
it is so good!
― sleeve, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 22:47 (eight years ago)
I've seen it spelled both ways, Halleluwah/jah
― Mark G, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 00:09 (eight years ago)
Halleluwhuh?
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 00:12 (eight years ago)
Been listening all week to all five volumes of the Secret Rhythms records on Spotify. Not sure which I like best (5 is pretty great) but this goes down very well as I mourn the guy.
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 28 January 2017 00:32 (eight years ago)
I know no other drummer who has such a sense of dosage for every single beat,
so rad to read this, amid the other medically-inflected can lexicon picks; dosage
― schlump, Saturday, 28 January 2017 01:43 (eight years ago)
Trying to get a drummer friend into Jaki. Can you give me a POX of highlights?
― dance cum rituals (Moka), Saturday, 28 January 2017 02:14 (eight years ago)
Halleluwah and Pinch are my first options.
Live version of Yoo Doo Right Mother SkyThis person should not need a lot of convincing imo!
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 28 January 2017 02:37 (eight years ago)
Those are overdubs not duplicate posts btw ;)
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 28 January 2017 02:41 (eight years ago)
Played Can for the first time to an older friend of mine who is mostly into jazz and more obvious rock, but who has been receptively (at the least from an academic stance) to weirder, more experimental stuff, and he was fascinated.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 28 January 2017 14:36 (eight years ago)
I put back up a mix I did in 2009 of post-Can music by Can folks from 1979-1984, as 17 out the 22 tracks feature Jaki. Somebody should do a further volume from 1985-2016. . .
Can – ‘The Church of Latter-Day Can, Book Two’ (Beyond Can, 1977-1984) 01 Michael Rother (with Liebezeit & Plank) – “Karussell” (Edit) – [‘Flammende Herzen,’ 1977] (3:22) 02 Michael Rother (with Liebezeit & Plank) – “Zeni” (Edit) – [‘Flammende Herzen,’ 1977] (3:38) 03 Czukay (with Liebezeit & Rebop Baah) – Cool in the Pool” – [‘Movies,’ 1979] (5:03) 04 Phantom Band (with Liebezeit) – “Without Desire” – [‘Phantom Band,’ 1980] (2:38) 05 Phantom Band (with Liebezeit & Rosko Gee) – “You Inspired Me” – [‘Phantom Band,’ 1980] (4:00) 06 Eurythmics (with Liebezeit) – “Take Me To Your Heart” – [‘In The Garden,’ 1981] (3:35) 07 Eurythmics (with Czukay & Liebezeit) – “Never Gonna Cry Again” – [‘In The Garden,’ 1981] (3:05) 08 Les Vampyrettes (Czukay & Plank) – “Biomutanten” (Edit) – [‘Biomutanten‘ EP, 1981] (3:32) 09 Phantom Band (with Liebezeit) – “Experiments” – [‘Freedom of Speech,’ 1981] (3:34) 10 Liebezeit, Czukay & Jah Wobble – Trench Warfare” – [‘How Much Are They?‘ EP, 1981] (4:50) 11 Czukay (with Liebezeit) – “Fragrance” – [‘On the Way to the Peak of Normal,’ 1981] (4:13) 12 Phew (with Liebezeit & Czukay) – “Fragment” – [‘Phew,’ 1981] (3:59) 13 Schmidt (with Bruno Spoerri) – “Toy Planet” – [‘Toy Planet,’ 1981] (3:04) 14 Schmidt (with Liebezeit, Karoli & Gee) – “Endstation Freiheit” – [‘Filmmuzik Vol. 2,’ 1981] (3:37) 15 Dunkelziffer (with Liebezeit) – “Strom” (Edit) – [‘Stil Der Neuen Zeit’ EP, 1982] (3:03) 16 Czukay, Jah Wobble, The Edge & Francois Kevorkian – “Snake Charmer” – [‘Snake Charmer’ EP, 1983] (4:07) 17 Gabi Delgado (with Liebezeit) – “Victim” – [‘Mistress,’ 1983] (3:30) 18 Phantom Band (with Liebezeit) – “The Party” – [‘Nowhere,’ 1984] (1:31) 19 Phantom Band (with Liebezeit) – “Loading Zone” – [‘Nowhere,’ 1984] (3:50) 20 Dunkelziffer (with Suzuki) – “Watch On My Head” – [‘In The Night,’ 1984] (2:52) 21 Karoli & Polly Eltes (with Liebezeit) – “Yours & Mine” – [‘Deluge,’ 1984] (4:28) 22 Karoli & Polly Eltes – “Watch On My Head” (Edit) – [‘Deluge,’ 1984] (3:47) [Total Time: 78:37]
01 Michael Rother (with Liebezeit & Plank) – “Karussell” (Edit) – [‘Flammende Herzen,’ 1977] (3:22) 02 Michael Rother (with Liebezeit & Plank) – “Zeni” (Edit) – [‘Flammende Herzen,’ 1977] (3:38) 03 Czukay (with Liebezeit & Rebop Baah) – Cool in the Pool” – [‘Movies,’ 1979] (5:03) 04 Phantom Band (with Liebezeit) – “Without Desire” – [‘Phantom Band,’ 1980] (2:38) 05 Phantom Band (with Liebezeit & Rosko Gee) – “You Inspired Me” – [‘Phantom Band,’ 1980] (4:00) 06 Eurythmics (with Liebezeit) – “Take Me To Your Heart” – [‘In The Garden,’ 1981] (3:35) 07 Eurythmics (with Czukay & Liebezeit) – “Never Gonna Cry Again” – [‘In The Garden,’ 1981] (3:05) 08 Les Vampyrettes (Czukay & Plank) – “Biomutanten” (Edit) – [‘Biomutanten‘ EP, 1981] (3:32) 09 Phantom Band (with Liebezeit) – “Experiments” – [‘Freedom of Speech,’ 1981] (3:34) 10 Liebezeit, Czukay & Jah Wobble – Trench Warfare” – [‘How Much Are They?‘ EP, 1981] (4:50) 11 Czukay (with Liebezeit) – “Fragrance” – [‘On the Way to the Peak of Normal,’ 1981] (4:13) 12 Phew (with Liebezeit & Czukay) – “Fragment” – [‘Phew,’ 1981] (3:59) 13 Schmidt (with Bruno Spoerri) – “Toy Planet” – [‘Toy Planet,’ 1981] (3:04) 14 Schmidt (with Liebezeit, Karoli & Gee) – “Endstation Freiheit” – [‘Filmmuzik Vol. 2,’ 1981] (3:37) 15 Dunkelziffer (with Liebezeit) – “Strom” (Edit) – [‘Stil Der Neuen Zeit’ EP, 1982] (3:03) 16 Czukay, Jah Wobble, The Edge & Francois Kevorkian – “Snake Charmer” – [‘Snake Charmer’ EP, 1983] (4:07) 17 Gabi Delgado (with Liebezeit) – “Victim” – [‘Mistress,’ 1983] (3:30) 18 Phantom Band (with Liebezeit) – “The Party” – [‘Nowhere,’ 1984] (1:31) 19 Phantom Band (with Liebezeit) – “Loading Zone” – [‘Nowhere,’ 1984] (3:50) 20 Dunkelziffer (with Suzuki) – “Watch On My Head” – [‘In The Night,’ 1984] (2:52) 21 Karoli & Polly Eltes (with Liebezeit) – “Yours & Mine” – [‘Deluge,’ 1984] (4:28) 22 Karoli & Polly Eltes – “Watch On My Head” (Edit) – [‘Deluge,’ 1984] (3:47)
[Total Time: 78:37]
https://musicophilia.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/one-off-can-the-church-of-latter-day-can-book-two-beyond-can-1977-1984/
― Soundslike, Saturday, 28 January 2017 15:50 (eight years ago)
thanks, looks great
― sleeve, Saturday, 28 January 2017 16:51 (eight years ago)
https://soundcloud.com/kumo/sets/jaki-cassette-excerpts
please someone please help put this book project up to goal so we can hear more of thesei could listen to this all day tbh
"Jaki used cassettes as a notepad – a rehearsal tool, recording not just himself for reference but also the groups who would play together in his room.He enjoyed the simplicity of one button each for record and playback and that there was no complex set up with microphones. He also experimented with the auto record levelling system of cheap recorders."
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 17 May 2018 16:25 (seven years ago)
Update:
Manuscript received!Tuesday, 7 August 2018Hi EveryoneJust a quick note to let you know that the manuscript for the book has been submitted and received by Unbound; which means the painstaking but now irrevocable process of publishing now begins!The book will slowly become a reality over the next 12 months and I'll keep you updated at various milestones along the way. It was a very exciting moment when we pieced a ll the chapters from the various contributors together and got a feel for what a wonderful thing we're creating here.More soon.... and thanks again for your support over the last 12 monthsJono
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 31 August 2018 15:21 (seven years ago)
yaaaay finally it is going to happen!
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 31 August 2018 17:24 (seven years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNrV_pnamQ4
― MaresNest, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 00:19 (six years ago)
That's a good jam.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:32 (six years ago)
My it is a good jam
― eva logorrhea (bendy), Thursday, 24 January 2019 03:12 (six years ago)
the rhythm goes on!
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 4 February 2019 21:49 (six years ago)
https://unbound.com/books/jaki-liebezeit/
― Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Saturday, 25 January 2020 10:20 (five years ago)
https://www.eventbrite.ie/e/prog-rock-grooves-jaki-liebezeit-the-nature-of-rhythm-tickets-119431766629a tribute toi Jaki as part of the Culture NIght celebration tonight.not sure what status is on tickets and how limited tehy are so best to try to book one as soon as you see this if you can.
― Stevolende, Friday, 18 September 2020 11:16 (five years ago)
I just got one at 9:30 am Pacific Time. Starts at 11:00.
― nickn, Friday, 18 September 2020 16:37 (five years ago)
not sue thsi si going to work, but the youtube showing is herehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNkWUDCZ6QAmay remain there, not sure
or if that doesn't embed the URL is www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNkWUDCZ6QA
― Stevolende, Friday, 18 September 2020 18:14 (five years ago)
Working for me!
I was not able to attend via my reg because I used my work email rather than my home one to get the link here at work, so Eventbrite doesn't recognize me.
― nickn, Friday, 18 September 2020 18:18 (five years ago)
ok, that link appears to start at about the right place. I noticed the one i had on Facebook started 3hrs and 9 minutes into a longer recording. Looks like that's bookmarked at the right point though
― Stevolende, Saturday, 19 September 2020 10:37 (five years ago)
Thought this revive might be about an album he did with Kevin coynes son that I read a positive review about today
― plax (ico), Saturday, 19 September 2020 21:06 (five years ago)
NO, quite good little improvisation thing done byu some musician fans in Dublin. I quite enjoyed that. Nott sure how frequently I'd revisit but did enjoy it.
Saw jaki i a 2 piece thing inn Dublin in the late 90s. wonder if that was the Coyne son thing
― Stevolende, Saturday, 19 September 2020 22:05 (five years ago)
This continues to be one of my favorite things on YouTube:https://youtu.be/h6w7JiWRpvAAre there more of these videos?
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 20 September 2020 00:09 (five years ago)
Currently reading the Jaki book mentioned upthread, finished the bio section and getting into the theory portion.
Shamefully I've never been a huge Canhead, although I've dipped into the records over the years and love his playing (and recently got obsessed with the two recent Drums Off Chaos records that are available on streaming). Curious about the Club Off Chaos records, listening to some stuff on youtube that's totally sick.
Anyone heard this one? https://www.discogs.com/release/26242415-Various-Instant-Music-Club-2007-2022
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Wednesday, 27 November 2024 15:44 (one year ago)
I have not, but I love his drumming on the Pluramon albums
― sleeve, Wednesday, 27 November 2024 15:57 (one year ago)
I'm amazed there still exist ILXors who aren't into Can, I thought that was like, our band
― frogbs, Wednesday, 27 November 2024 16:18 (one year ago)
Lol, I mean it's not like I don't like them, they just never clicked for me as an obsession. Neu was the one that captured my imagination in the early ILM days.
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Wednesday, 27 November 2024 16:27 (one year ago)
That Instant Club Music live compilation rips btw, feels like a cool documentation of a scene too? Lots of rhythmic percussion ensemble stuff (using Jaki's systems even when he's not on a track) along with electronics, piano, some great vocals, etc on some pieces.
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Friday, 29 November 2024 16:51 (one year ago)