Rolling Stones mid 70s Poll (post-Exile, pre-Some Girls)

The first two albums are garbage. B&B has "Memory Motel," the fabulous "Crazy Mama" and "Hand of Fate," and "Fool to Cry." B&B wins.

Yep, easy.

Goats head soup doesn't really have too many "songs" but it sounds grand, I really like it

It's only rock and roll is pretty boring, "time waits for no one" is a beaut, though, and I think I remember the Motown cover being good

Black and Blue: features Harvey Mandel! This is a really really boring album iirc but I haven't listened in years

So.... goats head soup... it's like an album where you hear the stones dying

Fool to cry is not good but I'll try the other songs you mentioned, alfred

The Keef riff in "Hand of Fate" is the Keefest of Keef riffs, and Mandel's shit-kicking solo is one of a kind. Jagger sounds venomous.

Yes the Fate riff is great but the song goes nowhere. It's more a sketch.

Goats Head Soup is my favorite out of these.

when i was a kid my mom had a pink (or salmon?) tape of 'goats' sitting around in her stereo along with other old LPs that i never heard played, so it always seemed like a mysterious album to me - the tape deck was broken

i like goats head of these 3

but tbh i'd rather listen to anything else

GHS has some cool songs but it's just a bummer having "Dancing With Mr. D" as the opening track when you think about the way the last 4 albums started. Though it's at least not as generic as "If You Can't Rock Me."

lol i'll never forget being at a party and talking to someone and they were like "i'm more of a Goat's Head Soup kinda guy"

(in the context of a very tired & standard 'Beatles vs. Stones' conversation)

Goats Head Soup, which is also actually one of their best albums of the '70s, even if it is a minor step down from the preceding two.

Well, that was easy.

Yeah, this is GHS in a walk, for "Winter" alone. B&B is garbage; it sounds like they recorded it in their sleep.

Black and Blue woudln't make a list of my ten favorite Stones because of crap like "Hey Negrita" and "Melody," but if they recorded it in their sleep, If it's sleep, then it must have been a power nap because the guitars and vocals have emerged from the fog of the last two albums.

I don't mind "100 Years Ago" or "Winter" or "Fingerprint File."

uh cross out that second "if it's sleep"

"Winter" is lovely. My favourite song on the run of albums in question.

What do we think of Angie? I get the feeling they were trying a little too hard

GHS by some margin - if only for 100 Years Ago, Winter and Doo Doo Doo Etc.

Another thought: All three of these albums have awful covers.

Angie is a masterpiece

lol i'll never forget being at a party and talking to someone and they were like "i'm more of a Goat's Head Soup kinda guy"

Lol this is great

Voted the Brussels Affair.
seriously, GHS is overly maligned, I love side 2 of that album. viva decadence!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GvxWZzWrQHE/UGUae2-huxI/AAAAAAAAI5A/t2Anfp9_eBo/s400/Liza+Minnelli+as+Sally+Bowles+Oscar+winner+in+Cabaret+1972.gif

Would I rather listen to any of these albums over Emotional Rescue? You fucking bet I would.

if I could melt every copy of these albums and replace them with Emotional Rescue, hell yeah.

Why would anyone want to do that!?

GHS and Emotional Rescue are on a par for me I think. Third-tier Stones albums.

Whoa, whoa, whoa!!!

This period may also mark the only time when they were eclipsed by Aerosmith, at least in America ?

TS: Aerosmith "Combination" vs Stones "Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo"

aerosmith's first album didn't come out til 73 so yeah maybe a torch was passed, i don't know, wasn't there

"Doo Doo Doo..." has Charlie going 3/4 tempo during the verses and Mick's(?) rhythm gtr makes it almost funky? Also can imagine Keith in the control room making sure the wah is up in the mix

yeah this is the era when Mick started playing a lot of electric rhythm ("Fingerprint File," "Winter," "Crazy Mama").

I meant Taylor

him too!

I had It's Only Rock and Roll as a kid on an 8 track, so that is about the Stones record I have hard the most. Really any mid-70s Stones is still good, just not to the level of where they had been. I think the slow and ballad tunes, which are not bad, kinda drag these records (and side 2 of Tattoo You). I'd figure they were living so hard and fast, when they got in a room to play, they were probably just so wound/strung out, that easy going acoustic slow things felt better when writing them.

I don't know to me any SLOW tune that doesn't have some unique or crazy musical break/bridge that goes on for 5-6 minutes would be better dropping a verse and chorus. I'd say that is the issue to me on some of these tunes.

'Time Waits For No One' is the best song on any of these records... love the "ticking" drums, the subtle use of synth and Taylor's sublime guitar playing. It's also got that grimy, fucked-up vibe to it that one would expect from mid '70s Stones.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

I really need to hear these albums someday.

yeah no rush

Snrub, listen to Goats Heads Soup first

i'm hearing "hand of fate" right now.. it's a great riff and mick sounds fabulous but the production sounds really off to me. too light and airy or something, not violent enough.

mandel's minimal harmonic laden solo is pretty sweet

yeah no rush

― calstars, Thursday, September 28, 2017

description of Stones recording these songs

These albums do all kinda suck.....I really like the way Charlie Watts gets them from verse to chorus on "Heartbreaker," and the completely generic unfelt social consciousness of the lyric charms me, so GHS gets my vote

Yeah, Charlie is all over the map on that one. It's almost like some free jazz shit. Also wonder if '78 Mick walking Central Park singing after dark could have been the same boy the police chased back in '74

Also no one has mentioned the causal enjoyment of "luxury!" make a million for the texan. 20 dollar me. My woman need a new dress. My daughter got to go to school.

TS: luxury vs Haitian divorce

'Luxury' is utterly terrible.

Goats Head Soup doesn't suck either.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

What the fuck? You guys don't like Mick Taylor or something?

Sorry, I hallucinated that BAB won

What the fuck? You guys don't like Mick Taylor or something?

― calstars, Friday, September 29, 2017

I do! A lot! But his last two albums suck.

Good to see that the correct choice topped the poll!

oh thank god.

Goats Head Soup is a fantastic album. There are some hints at a slide toward banality -- some of the forced vulgarity and detachment of "Doo Doo Doo Doo" and "Star Star," which to me for some reason prefigure one of their lowest moments, "Too Much Blood" -- but still. Winter. Angie.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51KTfqMf2DL._SY355_.jpg

nah, this picture alone is better than anything on Goats Head Soup

No it isn't and stop lying.

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'Heartbreaker' and 'Star Star' are two of the best things on the album.

I really love the album art as well, although I know that I'm in the minority there.

You a stawfucka stawfucka stawfucka stawfucka staw

I thought "Star Star" (and "Short and Curlies," for that matter) were puerile when I was 15.

I think that these three albums are distinguished by solid performances but a lack of actual songs. The Stones weren't yet at the don't-give-a-shit point of their career--they were still a band coming off of Sticky Fingers and Exile on Main St.--but they were clearly exhausted with the process of songwriting, and needed to produce content in order to keep the brand going (and having a reason to tour). So, at best, we get half-baked things like "It's Only Rock 'n' Roll" (the song), which actually has a provocative lyrical conceit, and is tightly performed, but which they were obviously in such a hurry to complete that they just slapped the most generically anthemic chorus possible on and called it a song.

haha i love the chorus of that song but tbh 90% of that is probably the tape-bleeding delivery on the opening IIII KNOW!!!

I think that these three albums are distinguished by solid performances but a lack of actual songs.

This applies to about half of Black and Blue and It's Only Rock'n'Roll, but there's plenty of "actual songs" on all of these albums.

Before Goats Head Soup's release, Mick Jagger advertised it as a RETURN to "songs" following the freewheeling Exile.

Goats Head Soup, which is also actually one of their best albums of the '70s, even if it is a minor step down from the preceding two.

If so then I've been right in my decision to not bother listening to any 70s Stones albums released after it.

The thing about Exile on Main St. is while it definitely has some stunning all-time moments, about a quarter of the LP isn't all that great.

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Some Girls is worth a listen.

1/4 of 2 sides is still 1 1/2 albums of juice

I can't think of a song on EOMS that wouldn't have improved GHS, though admittedly they would probably have sounded shit if actually recorded at the GHS sessions.

Aerosmith snagged the vocal delivery of "Casino" and threw it on "uncle salty"

I can think of several. Like, 'Hide Your Love' and 'Silver Train' are, to me, the two "lesser" tracks on Goats Head Soup, and stuff like 'Casino Boogie', 'Shake Your Hips', 'I Just Wanna See His Face', 'Sweet Black Angel', 'Turd On The Run' are of the same quality.

Goats Head Soup doesn't sound shit either, if anything it's far more produced than Exile On Main St. and there's a thickness to the sound that Exile doesn't have.

Exile is perfect

Goats and Only sound like shit. Too much...mid range? But on Black they get some of that treble back, and then Some, which has the crispiest snare ever

xpost:

I disagree. It's a great snapshot of where the Stones were at at the time, but it definitely has its flaws.

Well it's perfect to me, I can listen to the whole thing through and never once get bored

and have a big boner the whole time too

Nah, Goats Head Soup sounds just fine... but while we're on the subject of GHS vs. EOMS, then it's always been a source of amusement that GHS gets slagged for one of the reasons EOMS gets praised. GHS actually has the druggy vibe that people say that EOMS has.

... yes, the wrong drugs.

I can think of several. Like, 'Hide Your Love' and 'Silver Train' are, to me, the two "lesser" tracks on Goats Head Soup, and stuff like 'Casino Boogie', 'Shake Your Hips', 'I Just Wanna See His Face', 'Sweet Black Angel', 'Turd On The Run' are of the same quality.

You're right that 'Hide Your Love' and 'Silver Train' are lesser but wrong about everything else. Actually I don't even mind "Silver Train" that much! Honestly though, "Winter" is a great track, "Angie" is a good song that I have no need to ever hear again, and that's about it. I'm not really much of a Stones fan though tbh.

... GHS makes me less of one.

I like the sound of GHS. I just don't think that, "Winter" aside, its in support of much.

So, at best, we get half-baked things like "It's Only Rock 'n' Roll" (the song), which actually has a provocative lyrical conceit, and is tightly performed, but which they were obviously in such a hurry to complete that they just slapped the most generically anthemic chorus possible on and called it a song.

Jim Lea from Slade was told by Mick Taylor that IORAR was an attempt to emulate Slade and their big stomping choruses, which makes sense. T.Rex groove + Slade chorus= Stones Glam

"i just wanna see his face" and "sweet black angel" are both understated masterpieces. None of the minor tracks on GHs compare xp

So, at best, we get half-baked things like "It's Only Rock 'n' Roll" (the song), which actually has a provocative lyrical conceit, and is tightly performed, but which they were obviously in such a hurry to complete...

So much so that they replaced Taylor, Wyman, and Watts with Ron Wood, Willie Weeks, and Kenney Jones.

(iirc, Jones told Watts he'd felt weird playing on a Stones song, but Charlie said, "I don't mind. Sounds like me, anyway.")

Winter is unimaginative and boring af

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4290/34814383074_e36601ea7f_b.jpg

XPS ...and it was recorded during the sessions for ILX meme I've Got My On Album To Do (hence the different lineup).

"i just wanna see his face" and "sweet black angel" are both understated masterpieces. None of the minor tracks on GHs compare xp

― Treeship, Saturday, September 30, 2017 7:21 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

LOL!

I'm blasting Goats Head Soup right now as it happens... the combination of the wah-wah, the horns and the numerous hooks on 'Heartbreaker' is giving my ears pleasure like you wouldn't believe.

"I just want to see his face" is a monumental piece of recorded sound, treeship so otm

Heartbreaker is absolutely filthy

Heartbreaker is OK, it's the only song that isn't two minutes too long.

'I Just Wanna See His Face' is the very definition of filler, and the recording is awful.

'Can You Hear the Music?' just came on... christ, love those ascending/descending piano arpeggios, the lazy groove and the hazy guitars of this one. Also, the flute buried in the mix and harmonising guitars that wouldn't sound out of place on a Queen record.

Don't want to talk about Jesus

ah, this picture alone is better than anything on Goats Head Soup

― droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, September 30, 2017 12:15 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No it isn't and stop lying.

― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, September 30, 2017

It is and he's not.

when I listed the worst Stones singles, four of them came from this period, including the #1.

It isn't and he is...

...and in no way are 'Angie' and 'Dancing With Mr. D' anywhere near this bands worst singles.

I have no investment in the band's mythos, and BTB is worse song for song than their Ford years interlude. To my ears these three albums represent the typical slump after several years of excellence. Good tunes and performances on the three, no question. But a plodding self-referential nothingness like "It's Only Rock and Roll" formed the template for "You Got Me Rocking" and every other attempt by the band to prove that it wasn't being pneumatic, and the ballads bring out the worst in Jagger's affect.

Do you mean Between the Buttons or Bridges to Babylon there?

'It's Only Rock'n'Roll' isn't a favourite of mine either - 'Time Waits For No One' and 'If You Can't Rock Me' are the highlights of that album for me.

'I Just Wanna See His Face' is the very definition of filler, and the recording is /awful/.

Ok geir

^ This is ILMspeak for "I have no response"

Bridges to Babylon.

filler - this word means nothing

Recording is awful - ok who cares

"i just wanna see his face" and "sweet black angel" are both understated masterpieces. None of the minor tracks on GHs compare xp

Treeship otm. Twaddle like "Can't You Hear The Music" strikes me as a failed attempt at recapturing the undefinable haze of "Just Wanna See His Face."

xxpost:

In that case, I agree - Bridges to Babylon isn't a favourite.

Between the Buttons is easily a top five or six Stones album for me.

Another vote for "Just Wanna See His Face," "Shake Your Hips," etc.

Twaddle like "Can't You Hear The Music" strikes me as a failed attempt at recapturing the undefinable haze of "Just Wanna See His Face."

Incorrect description of "twaddle" aside, I think this is wide of the mark... the reference point for 'Can You Hear the Music?' isn't - thankfully - 'Just Wanna See His Face, but rather psychedelic Stones as played by the '73 Stones.

Between the Buttons is easily a top five or six Stones album for me.

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, September 30, 2017 8:53 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I agree! The UK configuration in particular is their most underrated '60s LP, IMO.

'I Just Wanna See His Face' is the very definition of filler, and the recording is awful.

Can you please find some other interest in life other than music?

Coming across it randomly on the radio, I really dug Luxury, a song It's Only Rock and Roll I had totally forgotten about.

I'm surprised you heard it on the radio - of all of the Stones' deep cuts I would have assumed 'Luxury' would be bottom-of-the-pile stuff.

It may very well have been on the Deep Tracks satellite radio channel!

Mick's reggae affectations on "Luxury" (and "Cherry Oh Baby") are pretty gross.

^^^the hardest part about this period

Also, listening to B&B for the first time in 20+ years last night, I forgot just how gruelling the second half of the record was, with Keith's guitar on "Crazy Mama" offering the only relief.

I like "Fool to Cry"!

Blech.

My least fave Stones ballad. Maybe even my least fave Stones song.

May be time for a poll: Who Did Reggae Worse - The Rolling Stones Or Led Zeppelin?

At least Keef is a True Believer.

Yeah, I agree about Mick's reggae affectations being gross, and I also love 'Fool to Cry' ... that, 'Hand of Fate' and 'Memory Motel' are my favourites from that record, although I also enjoy 'Hot Stuff' and 'Melody' when I'm in the mood for 'em.

And the one thing I can really say in favour of this era is that they were pretty good with the ballads. "Winter," as I've said multiple times here, I absolutely love, and "Coming Down Again," "Till the Next Goodbye" and "Memory Motel" are pretty enough (I'm all "Angie"'d out, though).

I was waaaayy too young to get sick of "Fool to Cry" on the radio, so it sounds fresh.

plus, I like when Jagger plays keyboards.

xxxpost:

Well, at least until Jagger starts his "AHL DE PEEPAL IN NEW YOHK CITHEY!" routine...

Worst 'reggae' attempts

You rang?

Hated "Fool To Cry" at the time, but now I like it fine.

Brian Wilson likes 'Fool to Cry', apparently.

How do you know?

'I Just Wanna See His Face' is the very definition of filler, and the recording is awful.

― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:07 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh hell no, this is an incredible jam. it sounds like a cosmic gospel song field recording, it's such a spooky song. I feel like Tom Waits' entire latter period career is him trying to recapture what they tossed off here.

^otm

How do you know?

― Two-Headed Shindog (Rad Tempo Player) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, October 1, 2017 6:03 PM (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

He mentioned it in some magazine article (may have been Uncut) about a decade ago...

Johnny Winter did a good version of "Silver Train", might be a bit groovier than the Stones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VojeFLos3Uc

nomar knows!!!

i'm hearing "hand of fate" right now.. it's a great riff and mick sounds fabulous but the production sounds really off to me. too light and airy or something, not violent enough.

― brimstead, Friday, 29 September 2017 01:42 (three days ago) Permalink

this is one of those things that bothers me. "too light and airy"? what were you looking for? if you wanted that dirt-sound of "ventilator blues" or "street fighting man" then i'm all for it. but if you're trying to compare the track to "brown sugar" or something similar then i get off the bus. one of those bands where the production quality always came as a bonus to the songs.

oh knock it off, it just sounds like shitty flat 70s rock. no muscle. i was looking for kicks!!!

Kinda how I look for a tune in 'I Just Wanna See His Face' ... or any kind of reason for it to exist more than "hey, we're in LA now and we still have't got quite enough to fill four sides..."

that's probably it.. you need to come to LA Turrican

*haven't

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I've heard it's a shithole.

The fact that The Blind Boys of Alabama do a pretty great version of 'I Just Wanna See His Face' indicates that there is a 'tune' there - but you know, sometimes recordings are about something other than the tune. The atmosphere on the Stones' version - a fuggy séance, a druggy act of devotion with a nice bit of irreligious ambiguity - is unique and compelling. It's one of the greatest things they ever did.

That Stones' version always makes me think of Dr. John's first album

No, 'Satisfaction' is one of the greatest things they've ever done, by comparison 'I Just Wanna See His Face' is a buried little curio and nothing more.

heh are you familiar with Dr. John's feelings about Exile and his involvement in it

xp

No

he talks about it a bit in his bio ("Under a Hoodoo Moon"). Of course he has zero respect or interest in the Stones, thinks they're basically poseurs/weak imitation etc. altho he thinks Keith is allright (and Keith plays on one or two tracks on "The Sun, Moon and Herbs", which is recorded around the same time). This lack of respect is reciprocated, apparently, and Rebbenack is pissed that he and his percussionist/right-hand man Diddimus are not appropriately credited on the album (Diddimus is credited as "Amyl Nitrate", which pissed them both off).

Which tracks are they on?

Dr. John is on "I Just Want to See His Face" (uncredited - altho this has been publicly verified later by Jimmy Miller + others) and credited w/backing vocals on "Let it Loose", but claims he is on a bunch of other stuff uncredited. Diddimus was credited as "Richard Washington" for marimba on "Sweet Black Angel" but Dr. John claims he's on a bunch of other songs too.

I think the "Amyl Nitrate" credit appears instead of "Richard Washington" in the original liner notes. I remember this credit appearing in my CD copy of this album when I got it in the 90s, cuz it's such a weird credit.

Wow, that's crazy. Had no idea Dr. John was actually on the Dr. John-like track

Unwinding to Goats Head Soup again and '100 Years Ago' never fails to blow my mind... superb guitar playing, and those tempo changes.

Ah, 'Coming Down Again' ... just brilliance.

Goat's Head Soup is a fucking SLOG.

I disagree.

100 Years Ago is the best song on any of these three albums

I can understand why one would say that... better than 'Heartbreaker' or 'Time Waits For No One', though?

joining the "I Just Wanna See His Face is a goddamn classic" chorus

missed this poll. definitely my least 3 favorites of theirs until the post Tattoo You 80s. i might have been the weirdo that would've given IORAR a 5th vote (MAYBE). i don't care for Mick's reggae affectations (though i dont know they're anymore "problematic" than his r&b ham) but i think "Luxury" is kind of a jam. the title track's sound and playing are pitch perfect for the time/ place/ drugs, then you have weird shit like "Fingerprint File", and a decent Van Morrison rip off ("Til the Next Time"). fuck it i even like the Temptations cover. i turn that shit up every time it comes on the radio. better filler and overall i think i prefer glammier sound to GHS & B&B. both of those def have some dope moments, but the stuff i don't like on them is really hard to slog through.

but hey i'm also the guy who sometimes thinks the second side of Tattoo You is one of the better things they did.

*prefer THE glammier sound

Goat's Head Soup is a fucking SLOG.

― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, October 4, 2017 1:27 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you probably just weren't in the right mood, don't give up, try again in two years or something

"Angie" is by far my favorite, one of those 'last songs of the sixties'

i know, 73, i just mean that downer spirit. clemenza or somebody knows what i mean

maybe "the sixties are over" is better

but hey i'm also the guy who sometimes thinks the second side of Tattoo You is one of the better things they did.

― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will)

agreed

Another vote for Tattoo Two Side You

Man I love 'Worried About You'.

Goat's Head is where I get off the Stones bus, but even then I think there's some filler on it. The sequencing is a joke too - 'Coming Down Again' third on side 1??? I worked up an alternate version a couple months ago for listening purposes:

1. 100 Years Ago (I think by Goats they were stuck in the rut of having a typical 'stones' song open an album, and 'Mr.D' always felt really forced, whereas '100 Years Ago' sounds much more interesting/unexpected in that slot)
2. Dancing In The Light (the old bootleg instrumental version, not the Exile deluxe one. There's a definite lack of Keith on Goat's and this track helps to alleviate that)
3. Heartbreaker
4. Angie
5. Tops (released on Tattoo You but recorded in 72. The vocals weren't done until 79/80 though, but it's one of my favourite Stones songs so I cheated and used the Tattoo version here. The opening chord blends with the final chord in Angie perfectly)
6. Separately (Taylor/Keith/Hopkins instrumental ballad done during the Exile sessions)
7. Waiting On A Friend (the 73 version with rough vocals and no sax)
8. Criss-Cross Mind (Goat's outtake, more uptempo than 'Can You Hear The Music')
9. Winter
10. Leather Jacket ('Silver Train' was from the Stargroves sessions in 1970, as was this, so pilfering from a few years back didn't seem out of place. The instrumentation fits in with the Goat's Head sound and it gives Taylor some songwriting credit)
11. I Ain't Signifying (the bootleg version with 72 era Mick vocals, not the Exile Deluxe version. I could've used 'Hide Your Love' but I like this better, esp. for the "have you ever had the feeling that you've been here before?" line)
12. Coming Down Again (the only way to end things imo)

Excellent post
All that's missing is a download link

They pulled out "Dancing With Mr. D" for the obscure tracks/potty break section on early dates on the current tour.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51tT%2B9-yo9L._SY355_.jpg

i found a fair copy of The Rolling Stones "Made in the Shade" the other day for $5. it's a really great compilation of early-to-mid-70s stuff:

Side A
"Brown Sugar" 3:48
"Tumbling Dice" 3:45
"Happy" 3:04
"Dance Little Sister" 4:11
"Wild Horses" 5:42

Side B
"Angie" 4:33
"Bitch" 3:38
"It's Only Rock'n Roll (But I Like It)" 5:07
"Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker)" 3:26
"Rip This Joint" 2:22

i think "Goats Head Soup" would be my choice from this poll, love "Angie" and "Heartbreaker" (and "Dancing With Mr. D").

do we have a Stones bootleg thread?

whitehallunity delivers the goods! i wanna dig out that exile bonus disc now..

Okay, so while this period of the Stones might not be everyone's favourite, but the very best of the material from this time still makes me think "fuck, I love the Stones" ... which is something I can't say of, for example, the Undercover era or Bridges to Babylon ...

Excellent post
All that's missing is a download link

― calstars, Thursday, October 5, 2017 2:29 AM (yesterday)

whitehallunity delivers the goods! i wanna dig out that exile bonus disc now..

― brimstead, Thursday, October 5, 2017 3:12 AM (yesterday)

haha, I was sorta half-worried my post would've been a little too much for the thread, glad to see it was well received. Here's a link:

https://mega.nz/#!d6AEWZwZ!0mxVGYO7gWkp__i9NrqIfYUS43G-XWA0e5nkx4VXuwQ

Also, if you haven't seen it, here's a rough sketch of the originally proposed cover by Hipgnosis:

http://blog.casafina.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/u.png

which was later re-used for this:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41rX7-oPfFL._SY300_.jpg

lol had no idea that was the backstory to the Ride a Rock Horse cover

Hahaha
Thank you and cheers

jagger crapping on mick taylor

The Daltrey cover was designed by Graham Hughes, Roger's cousin. Dunno if he worked for/with Hipgnosis. Hughes also designed/photographed the Quadrophenia and Odds and Sods covers.

def feel a certain way about that Keef horse

Let's do this!

Must dig out Goats Head Soup later for a listen. One of their finest LP's.

Memory f’in Motel

https://carnaby.therollingstonesshop.com/products/pop-art-black-and-blue-t-shirt/?

They took Bill off the cover of Black & Blue for this tee.

The ad it's based on:

https://blogintomystery.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/stones.jpg?w=640

I remember the kerfuffle around the ad for Black and Blue that featured a bound young woman who was . . . well, black and blue.

I really dig "Hand of Fate." Some nice, if basic, back and forth by Ron and Keith in that one.

They took Bill off the cover of Black & Blue for this tee.

Pretty sure they all hated Bill.

Making MIck a blond is equally rude

Too much time on black and blue

https://i.postimg.cc/L5cS30Rt/IMG-1574.jpg

bonus points if that had been taken in front of the actual Memory Motel.

i looked up whitehallunity and they haven't posted for eight months, but just wanted to express here that i'd be interested in a re-up of their alternate Goads Head mix

otm

absolutely blowing my mind that there are Tattoo You demos going back to 1972-73

Black and Blue is my favourite Stones album (which may or may not give away what sort of Stones fan I am)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aXG8GmAppw

Do it do it do it do it do it

Goat’s head soup by far.

The sequencing is a joke too - 'Coming Down Again' third on side 1???

12. Coming Down Again (the only way to end things imo)

Ending the album that way is too sentimental - the whole point is that Keith is coming down, again... and he still has to get it together for another seven subsequent songs.

Black and Blue is my favourite Stones album (which may or may not give away what sort of Stones fan I am)

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only one i ever go back to outside of Exile. absolute "you secretly place it on during a mass outdoor bbq party and no one is the wiser" album

i have tried so many times with Black and Blue. i always get like 12 seconds into "Hot Stuff" and start laughing uncontrollably and need to turn it off. what on earth were they thinking

*snorting

"Black and Blue" is the kind of album where you're pleasantly surprised any time you hear a stand alone track out in the wild, like "Fool to Cry" or "Hey Negrita" (the latter very much in line with the album's vibe of "one guy likes reggae, the others don't, and the guy that loves reggae is having a hard time explaining to the other guys exactly what reggae is and how to play it"). But then you put on the whole album, and it's incoherent in the way many erroneously categorized "Exile" and "Goats."

Absolutely love 'Hand of Fate' and 'Crazy Mama.'

Count me in as another fan of Black and Blue. Not sure if it was indeed intended more as guitarist auditions rather than an attempt to make a fully-realized LP, but part of the charm for me is the looseness. It's not one of the great Stones albums, but it's still good and really enjoyable.

yeah my position has always been that Black and Blue is a good Sunday afternoon hangout album, the ballads are better than the rockers

It's their most 'stereotypically '70s' album: "Hot Stuff" is the Funk/early Disco song; "Memory Motel" is an Eagles/SoCal ballad; "Hand of Fate" is Bad Company-style outlaw hard rocker; "Crazy Mama" is basically a Thin Lizzy song; "Fool To Cry" is Philly International; "Cherry Oh Baby" the Reggae nod; "Melody" is a tip to lounge Jazz...

It's a major 'informal' album

Also, the mix is fucking great. It grooves. It doesn't sound like other period Stones albums.

i always get like 12 seconds into "Hot Stuff" and start laughing uncontrollably

cos you'd be a fool to cry