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Well, me living in the Detroit area I have to deal with this stuff all the time. There pictures are on billboards, the kids paint their faces, but I still think make probably the sorryest excuse for "music" ever. And having heard them interviewed, they are also total morons (and having seen Marilyn Manson interviewed in Bowling For Columbine, where he seemed very smart and witty, it just made ICP seem even more stupid).

I have a feeling this thread will attract a lot of random Googlers, as most ICP fans are 14 year olds who search the web for anything and everything ICP related, and if people disagree they quickly exclaim "FAGGOT HATERS, YOU JUST AINT DOWN WIT DA CLOWN HOLY CRAP IM RETARDED"

Thoughts?

David Allen, Monday, 11 November 2002 05:07 (twenty-three years ago)

this is the way you ask this question.

alternately.

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 November 2002 05:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Fuck, I looked for that first one for ten minutes -- how'd you find it?!

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 11 November 2002 05:29 (twenty-three years ago)

a search for 'bitch' gets the jizzob done

ron (ron), Monday, 11 November 2002 06:44 (twenty-three years ago)

ithink they are funny and have some good trax sometimes and i dont relate them to their stupid fans that take them seriously and they are just really lucky i mean i like them better than BMRC, Trail of Dead n shit.

chaki (chaki), Monday, 11 November 2002 12:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Chaki is OTM. I'm probably not going to get the new one because they parted ways with Mike E. Clark, but _Ringmaster_ and _Riddle Box_ are stone classics and the other albums have at least one classic track on them.

Search: "Wizard In The Hood"
"Psychopatchic"
"Beverly Kills"
"The Stalker"
"Murder Go Round"
"The Dead One"
"Wagon Wagon"
"My Fun House"
"The Loons"
"Who Are You"
"One For The Maggots"
"The Show Must Go On"
"Three Rings"
"12"
"The Killing Fields"
"Skitsofrantic"
"Cotton Candy"
"Amy's In The Attic"
"Stomp"
"Hocus Pocus"
"Boogie Woogie Wu"
"I Stab People"
"Bizzar"
"Please Don't Hate Me"
"Mr. Happy"

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 November 2002 14:34 (twenty-three years ago)

so is that not them with sonic youth on this month's wire freebie cd?

bob zemko (bob), Monday, 11 November 2002 15:28 (twenty-three years ago)

so is that not them with sonic youth on this month's wire freebie cd?

That joke never gets old. I laugh every time I see that In the Fishtank EP at Tower, imagining some greasy rural Louisiana teen buying it, playing it for their Juggalo friends, loving it, becoming huge avant fans and never realizing that it's not the Insane Clown Posse.

adam (adam), Monday, 11 November 2002 18:12 (twenty-three years ago)

there are a LOT (i mean a LOT) of juggalo's in olympia.

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 November 2002 18:28 (twenty-three years ago)

a few years ago when my brother worked in a record store, every time a prepubescent fat kid brought the new ICP to the counter, he'd ask them, point blank "so...are you a juggalo?". usually they'd just sheepishly reply "yeah" and rush out before the small talk could continue.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 11 November 2002 19:01 (twenty-three years ago)

They were probably afraid of getting their asses kicked!

I forgot "Hey Vato" in the search list, BTW.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 November 2002 21:14 (twenty-three years ago)

To all the juggallos that may read this, I pose you this:
"Bugz on My Nugz." What the hell happened there?

David Allen, Monday, 11 November 2002 23:52 (twenty-three years ago)

While I'm not familiar with their oeuvre, any band that comes up with a song title like "We Give No Fuck" has something special going on.

dan (dan), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 00:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh come on, ICP's finest moment is that impression of Dre and Eminem having sex on whatever that diss record was called ("Nothin' But A Fag Thing" was it?). Everyone knows that.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 00:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I suppose the impact of that would be kinda dulled by Em's tongue-in-cheek admision that him and Dre "been fuckin' with hats off" though, wouldn't it?

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 00:19 (twenty-three years ago)

ICP's worst moment was rapping over a Beck beat. I mean, ever Beck doesn't rap over Beck beats any more. Sheesh.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 00:29 (twenty-three years ago)

ICP's worst moment was rapping over a Beck beat. I mean, ever Beck doesn't rap over Beck beats any more. Sheesh.


When did this happen?

David Allen, Tuesday, 12 November 2002 00:30 (twenty-three years ago)

"Another Love Song", I believe it was called.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 00:36 (twenty-three years ago)

aren't icp a novelty act?

Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 04:09 (twenty-three years ago)

you mean the instant composers thing, right?

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 05:23 (twenty-three years ago)

no jess misha is a visionary, I mean the fat white guys in clown makeup with dried faygo in their beards

Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 05:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Look out for "Homies (Juggalos)"! ICP gets all Sublime on yr ass!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 07:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Did you know that there are Juggalo conventions?

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 14:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, I did. And I would NEVER go to one.

"Bugz On My Nugz" is goofy fun with a bouncy beat and "Another Love Song" is pretty hilarious for the little spoken asides before the choruses. Neither is a classic, though.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 15:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What a bunch of fucking morons you are.

Call Me Daddy, Friday, 15 November 2002 22:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Music made BY idiots FOR idiots.

Motel Hell (vassifer), Friday, 15 November 2002 23:18 (twenty-three years ago)

it seemed like they were around forever in detroit before breaking big, they were no bigger than selling out the state and then all of a sudden they were famous. weird. kinda like kid rock too. but this was when detroit was still the armpit of the world and not detroit rock city.

keith (keithmcl), Saturday, 16 November 2002 07:09 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
sooooo ... who's down wit da clown till they're down in tha ground?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 11 October 2004 05:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Sun Ra owns teh clowns bizeeyazetches!

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 11 October 2004 07:20 (twenty-one years ago)

so who's down wit da clown till they're dead in tha ground?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 17 October 2004 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Apparently nobody.
It's all about the Arkestra, Eisbar.
I mean, given the choice, would you rather go on a free-form trip to saturn in Sun Ra's Heliocentric Spaceship... or get chopped to pieces by the creepy minions of the Dark Carnival?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 18 October 2004 13:26 (twenty-one years ago)

eleven months pass...
I like how Dan's 26 "search"es upthread and Allmusic's 26 "Song Highlights" have exactly *one* song in common!

OleM (OleM), Thursday, 22 September 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

(Whytf does AMG always use 26 by the way? Did they think they could always find one starting with each letter of the alphabet?)

OleM (OleM), Thursday, 22 September 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

Which song??? And which ones do they list instead?

(Also "Mr. Happy" should be removed from my list and replaced with "Hey Vato".)

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 September 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

(Also add "Red Neck Hoe".)

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 September 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

Okay I looked at their list and it sucks ass. ATTENTION ALLMUSIC, JECKEL BROS IS FOR SUCKS:

85 Bucks an Hour Mike E Clark ... Mostasteless
Composed by: Mike E Clark, Insane Clown Posse, Twizted


Bring It On Mike E. Clark ... The Amazing Jeckel Brothers
Composed by: Mike E. Clark, Insane Clown Posse


Carnival of Carnage Joseph Bruce ... Carnival of Carnage
Composed by: Joseph Bruce, Esham


Cherry Pie (I Need a Freak) David Payton Bizzar
Chicken Huntin' Mike E. Clark ... The Ringmaster
Composed by: Mike E. Clark, Howard Dodd, D. Greenburg, Mark Niles


Dead Body Man Mike E. Clark ... The Riddle Box
Composed by: Mike E. Clark, Insane Clown Posse


Down With the Clown Mike E. Clark ... The Great Milenko
Composed by: Mike E. Clark, Insane Clown Posse


F*uck the World Mike E. Clark ... The Amazing Jeckel Brothers
Composed by: Mike E. Clark, Insane Clown Posse


Ghetto Freak Show Joseph Bruce Carnival of Carnage
Hokus Pokus Mike E. Clark ... The Great Milenko
Composed by: Mike E. Clark, Insane Clown Posse


House of Horrors Mike E. Clark ... The Great Milenko
Composed by: Mike E. Clark, Insane Clown Posse


House of Mirrors The Ringmaster
Composed by: Mike E. Clark, Insane Clown Posse


I Want My Sh*T Mike E. Clark ... The Amazing Jeckel Brothers
Composed by: Mike E. Clark, Insane Clown Posse


Juggalo Paradise B.B. ... Bizzar
Composed by: B.B., Mike E. Clark


Mad Professor Mike E. Clark ... The Amazing Jeckel Brothers
Composed by: Mike E. Clark, Insane Clown Posse


My Kind of Bitch Mike E. Clark ... Tunnel of Love
Composed by: Mike E. Clark, Insane Clown Posse, Two Dope, Violent J.


Nothing's Left Mike E. Clark ... The Amazing Jeckel Brothers
Composed by: Mike E. Clark, Insane Clown Posse


Red Neck Hoe Joseph Bruce ... Carnival of Carnage
Composed by: Joseph Bruce, Joseph Utsler


Still Stabbin' B.B. ... Bizaar
Composed by: B.B., Mike E. Clark


Take Me Away B.B. ... Bizaar
Composed by: B.B., Mike E. Clark


The Joker's Wild Mike E. Clark ... The Riddle Box
Composed by: Mike E. Clark, Insane Clown Posse


The Juggla Joseph Bruce Carnival of Carnage
The Shaggy Show Mike E. Clark ... The Amazing Jeckel Brothers
Composed by: Mike E. Clark, Gangster Fun, Insane Clown Posse, Snoop Dogg


We Gives No Fuck B.B. ... Bizaar
Composed by: B.B., Mike E. Clark


What Is a Juggalo? Mike E. Clark ... The Great Milenko
Composed by: Mike E. Clark, Insane Clown Posse


Your Rebel Flag Joseph Bruce ... Carnival of Carnage
Composed by: Joseph Bruce, Joseph Utsler


The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 September 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

Man, you guys bring back memories... Back when I was young and stupid, I went and saw these guys pretty often. Heh. A friend of mine had their logo and signatures tatooed on his arm. Luckily, he's gotten that inked over by now...
(I'm even in one of the crowd shots for the Chicken Huntin' video! The secret shame!)

js (honestengine), Friday, 23 September 2005 04:35 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
"FAGGOT HATERS, YOU JUST AINT DOWN WIT DA CLOWN HOLY CRAP IM RETARDED"

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 24 October 2005 06:35 (twenty years ago)

six years pass...

I hear they are confused by magnets.

The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 4 November 2011 15:47 (fourteen years ago)

four years pass...

ithink they are funny and have some good trax sometimes and i dont relate them to their stupid fans that take them seriously and they are just really lucky i mean i like them better than BMRC, Trail of Dead n shit.
― chaki (chaki), Monday, November 11, 2002 6:04 AM (thirteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 00:49 (nine years ago)

I don't like any hip-hop but the mockery surrounding ICP/"juggalo culture" for the past decade or so always struck me as a thinly veiled excuse for upper-middle class white leftists to gawk at & make fun of poor people

punksishippies, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 21:34 (nine years ago)

what's thinly veiled about it

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 21:34 (nine years ago)

What's funny to me is that a lot of people who got into ICP "ironically" because of "Miracles" like the group for pretty much the exact same reasons their actual fans do

frogbs, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 22:07 (nine years ago)

Interesting article here setting out a defense of the juggalo subculture - http://thislandpress.com/2016/08/30/til-the-clowns-come-home/

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 22:38 (nine years ago)

i still 100% agree with my from 13 years ago, global tetrahedron. ICP > BRMC. Also the "wah wah liberals making fun of poor people" is kind of invalidated when you realize that Juggalos actively encourage homophobic and misogynist behaviour. Remember the Tila Tequila incident?

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 22 September 2016 22:39 (nine years ago)

I mean she's a nazi now so maybe that's invalid too lol.

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 22 September 2016 22:39 (nine years ago)

one year passes...

https://www.facebook.com/INSANECLOWNPOSSE/videos/2116186811786336/

lmao this is amazing

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 21:40 (seven years ago)

one month passes...

https://i.imgur.com/N4P8gG2.png

pplains, Sunday, 30 September 2018 18:06 (seven years ago)

one year passes...

Google doing some Soviet-style airbrushing of history here

https://i.imgur.com/Hoh9jcE.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Z6tSqws.jpg

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 30 January 2020 14:05 (six years ago)

Agrammatical to boot. Truly shameful.

pomenitul, Thursday, 30 January 2020 14:08 (six years ago)

wow just watched that 'snake busters' video frogbs posted and dying laughing, incredible work.

warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Thursday, 30 January 2020 14:45 (six years ago)

six months pass...

https://movieweb.com/take-a-seat-insane-clown-posse-chris-hansen/

pomenitul, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 20:22 (five years ago)

why the hell not, i guess.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 20:36 (five years ago)

It's 2020 and ICP are less problematic than many a beloved indie band.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 20:39 (five years ago)

just fucking wow at how accurate that statement is.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 22:20 (five years ago)

Yeah, they seem like decent guys.

VIOLENT J: And the amount of gay Juggalos out there is really surprising. I think about them doing their research and getting the old records, getting excited about it, and getting their hearts broke or something, you know? I tell my daughter, “For the rest of your life, when your friends ask why your dad said that, say it’s because your dad was a fool. Don’t defend me. Say I was a fool then, but I’m not now.” There’s no excuse. I was going with the flow, and that’s the very thing we preach against — being a sheep. And that’s what I was doing.

https://www.stereogum.com/2083804/icp-interview-juggalos/franchises/interview/weve-got-a-file-on-you/

jmm, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 22:32 (five years ago)

dang. the world def needs more of that "admit it when you're wrong" attitude.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 22:47 (five years ago)

Being a good father really matters to Violent J:

https://www.thefader.com/2018/07/10/violent-j-from-icp-supports-his-furry-daughter-video

pomenitul, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 22:49 (five years ago)

sincerely curious if there’s a juggalx community

budo jeru, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 22:53 (five years ago)

About 1,060 results (0.36 seconds)

pomenitul, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 22:56 (five years ago)

amazing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42IsApbJzZE

budo jeru, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 23:09 (five years ago)

Nearly 18 years old this thread and no one has mentioned Insane Clown Posse yet? Now that's insane.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Thursday, 6 August 2020 09:48 (five years ago)

Definitely fits the Clown Posse part though!

pplains, Thursday, 6 August 2020 12:55 (five years ago)

lol how is it that Violent J handles dumb bigoted shit in his past better than 100% of all comedians

frogbs, Friday, 7 August 2020 04:29 (five years ago)

honestly bless them

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 7 August 2020 04:38 (five years ago)

hey you all they're talking about bands whose fans were their own subcultures and nobody's mentioned these guys yet, you all should join this thread and up them!

Bands whose fans were their own subculture

popeye's arse (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 August 2020 04:39 (five years ago)

I like how it's $75 to get Violent J or $75 to get Shaggy to do the video, but it's $175 to have them do both.

pplains, Friday, 7 August 2020 12:51 (five years ago)

it's dialectical

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 7 August 2020 12:52 (five years ago)

you all should join this thread and up them!

Or we could all chip in on a Custom Clown Clip...

jmm, Friday, 7 August 2020 13:14 (five years ago)

For five of us, it'd only be $15 apiece.

If we got ten of us together, it'd only be like $17.50!

pplains, Friday, 7 August 2020 13:36 (five years ago)

this would be a great way to start squashing ILX beefs tbh

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 7 August 2020 13:37 (five years ago)

he could create a tutorial video for new users

"Hi - if you're seeing this, you've decided to join the community known as ILX. This was a bad decision, but don't you worry - Violent J is here to help you navigate these very choppy waters. Now...let's begin with our first module.

FUCKING FP'S - HOW DO THEY WORK?"

popeye's arse (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 August 2020 14:30 (five years ago)

two months pass...

Came across this exchange in a court hearing between a lawyer and an FBI agent, trying to work out the difference between boogaloo and juggalos. pic.twitter.com/p82h9nwqAU

— Shane Bauer (@shane_bauer) October 20, 2020

peace, man, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 19:15 (five years ago)

do they not?

they do not.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 20:19 (five years ago)

how J boogalooed it

eat my room temperature ass (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 20:21 (five years ago)

fabulous, ty

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 20:36 (five years ago)

amazing

budo jeru, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 20:56 (five years ago)

Indeed.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 21:03 (five years ago)

two years pass...

what happens to juggalos as they grow older and lose their edge?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGdecP0eYqM

budo jeru, Sunday, 11 December 2022 17:10 (three years ago)

aging juggalos feel the pangs of nostalgia, and surely there's an overlap between "i desire juggalo classics" and "give me 180-gram audiophile vinyl"

https://i.discogs.com/BnQmvbRt01xdDWlbuE7NLHcUUJZ1rRrigdEBRxmS7Nw/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:440/w:432/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTExMTE4/NTc4LTE1MzIxODM3/MjctNDc1Ny5qcGVn.jpeg

budo jeru, Sunday, 11 December 2022 17:15 (three years ago)

one year passes...

This could swing it

https://consequence.net/2024/10/insane-clown-posse-violent-j-kamala-harris/

John Backflip (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 23 October 2024 13:07 (one year ago)

“they have the right to be the fuckin’ shit”

YES

jmm, Wednesday, 23 October 2024 13:14 (one year ago)

Okay, so I'm aware of the Insane Clown Posse. I remember the jokes about "Miracles" from five years ago. But apart from that one track I haven't heard a single thing by the band. They were never popular in the UK and I just couldn't be bothered to check them out.

But I'm broadminded. I'm willing to give music a chance. Because overall I believe that music is mostly good. To borrow a joke from The Onion, I would rate music 8/10. Shit, cat.

So I decided to fill the Insane Clown Posse-sized hole in my musical mind. I decided to fill my Insane Clown Posse swimming pool with Insane Clown Posse champagne and have an Insane Clown Posse party in my Insane Clown Posse pants. The last time I did this the subject was Sarah McLachlan, who was also completely unpopular in the UK, but I was impressed. By "Possession" at least. Less so the rest of her work. But she was better than I expected. The point is that I'm willing to give music a try. Sometimes it's good! Even when it's bad, it's better than listening to other people.

Now, my expectation was that the Insane Clown Posse were a bit like Cypress Hill. A kind of deliberately stupid old-fashioned hip hop band, but whereas Cypress Hill were stupid in a "secretly genius" sense the ICP were just stupid, which is why the press hated them. As with e.g. Grand Funk I have the impression that the press hated their meat-and-two-veg lack of self-awareness. So I listened to "Hokus Pokus", which has 22m views, and yes, it sounds like a slower, less interesting Cypress Hill. It has the same "wheeee" sample. It's catchy but I can't imagine why it would be the foundation of a major cult.

And then I listened to "Tilt-a-Whirl", which is also a slower, less interesting Cypress Hill, but with an awful chorus. And then "Jump Around" and "Halls of Illusions", which is bad rock music. And some more tracks. "Miracles" again. But ultimately they're just no good.

Like Kiss! I went on a Kiss dive several years ago and concluded that they had nothing to offer beyond their most famous hits, all of which were derivative of something else. I'm saddened because I wanted to like Kiss. And Insane Clown Posse. Disliking them is too obvious, and I love moronic music as long as it's catchy. But it's just weak! It's weak.

And there isn't even much swearing. I was expecting masses of swearing in a thick New Jersey accent. But the lyrics are disappointingly tame. Perhaps the album versions are ruder. And yet the band has a passionate fanbase of fat men and tattooed women who wear unwashed t-shirts, and so they can't be completely worthless. It must be a cultural thing.

Ashley Pomeroy, Wednesday, 23 October 2024 17:46 (one year ago)

Well, given that they are from Michigan, you weren't ever going to get a lot of thick New Jersey accents.

"Fuck the World" is one song I can recall my old roommate playing that had a lot of swearing.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 23 October 2024 17:51 (one year ago)

they call themselves the Insane Clown Posse and yet will not support an Insane Clown for President?

frogbs, Wednesday, 23 October 2024 17:52 (one year ago)

at least they have some self-awareness about being insane clowns

John Backflip (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 23 October 2024 17:55 (one year ago)

though as has been established, they have a poor understanding of how many people you need to make up a posse

John Backflip (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 23 October 2024 17:56 (one year ago)

Greetings to future ILX researchers who are searching for "Sarah McLachlan" and finding this thread.

pplains, Wednesday, 23 October 2024 18:06 (one year ago)

lol frogbs

budo jeru, Wednesday, 23 October 2024 18:34 (one year ago)

ftr Hokus Pokus is a terrible album

Effectively anything released after The Great Milenko is completely unbearable and arguably the only things they put out that are actually worth listening to are Ringmaster, the Tunnel of Love EP, and Riddle Box, and even then you have to make many allowances for their schtick

DJP, Wednesday, 23 October 2024 18:43 (one year ago)

It must be a cultural thing.

i think this is it. the incredible austerity of suburban midwest USA in the '90s

budo jeru, Wednesday, 23 October 2024 18:44 (one year ago)

Actually I guess if you combined the best tracks from Bizarr/Bizaar into a single album, that would also be worth investigating

DJP, Wednesday, 23 October 2024 18:44 (one year ago)

everyone always wants Kiss and ICP to be as good as Furr and they never are!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKYFQdSMoyw

scott seward, Wednesday, 23 October 2024 22:58 (one year ago)

“Cold Gin” is an absolute classic, I will always love KISS for that one song

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 24 October 2024 01:20 (one year ago)

as someone ignorant of furr, too good for kiss, and a fan of 10cc generally, i may be slightly susceptible to furr

sparkling hebroic couplet (Hunt3r), Thursday, 24 October 2024 01:55 (one year ago)

And yet the band has a passionate fanbase of fat men and tattooed women who wear unwashed t-shirts, and so they can't be completely worthless.

tbh most surface level criticisms of juggalos reek of classism, though they do make themselves easy targets with the clown makeup and faygo. i think they deserve some level of respect for being a contemporary american counter-culture where inclusivity and anti-racism are ostensibly part of their core ideals

as for the music, to me it's just a puerile version of early 666 mafia and your mileage will vary wildly depending on your tolerances for that kind of thing. DJP's recommendations are otm if you're curious

diamonddave​85 (diamonddave85), Thursday, 24 October 2024 16:28 (one year ago)

yeah the interview with one of them - Violent J I think - where he directly apologizes for the homophobic lyrics - was really cool. because it wasn't just "oh I'm sorry if people were hurt" like it usually is, he really digs into it, kinda heartwarming to know that Juggalos can change and grow as people

can't say I've ever liked their music much, Great Milenko is a solid album at least and both "Neden Game" and "Miracles" still make me laugh...."magic everywhere in this bitch" is still one of the funniest things. SNL did a really good parody of it but nothing beats that line

frogbs, Thursday, 24 October 2024 16:55 (one year ago)

"Well, given that they are from Michigan, you weren't ever going to get a lot of thick New Jersey accents."

I have to admit that my knowledge of the US is very limited. Until a few moments ago I didn't realise that Michigan was a state. I thought it was a city. And I've always assumed that white rappers in the US try to imitate this accent, in the same way that people in the UK try to imitate cockney:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFvL4obCrbQ

e.g. The Sopranos, because that's what gangsters sound like. Or at least it's what the Beastie Boys sound like, but as someone will point out they actually are from New York. You know, that video stands out not just for the accents but also for the complete lack of pity, which is something I've always associated with New York. The "fuck you, pal" quality.

I think the problem is that there's no UK analogue of the Insane Clown Posse, either on a musical or a sociopolitical level. The Prodigy? But they're musically much more sophisticated, and with a few lapses they give the impression that they're socially more broadminded. Altern-8 were cheerfully moronic rather than offensive. Oasis? Goldie Lookin' Chain? Furthermore the UK charts have never had a distinction between black and white artists, so there isn't much of a market for white rappers, besides which Adam Ant pretty much rendered the entire genre of white rap obsolete with "Ant Rap", and that was 1981.

Ashley Pomeroy, Thursday, 24 October 2024 17:36 (one year ago)

"besides which Adam Ant pretty much rendered the entire genre of white rap obsolete with "Ant Rap", and that was 1981."

i beg to differ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9Oi8iJH7m0

scott seward, Thursday, 24 October 2024 18:32 (one year ago)

ICP and Juggalo culture are so easy to make fun of that it has been hard to resist sometimes. But I have to say the whole scene has always (from a distance at least) looked pretty friendly and welcoming to people who don't fit in easily — the homophobic lyrics are there, but my sense is that Juggalos themselves are queer-friendly — and overall there seems like there's a lot of sweetness there.

As this story says: https://www.papermag.com/juggalos-trans-joy#rebelltitem2

The first person I met at the Gathering was a trans woman named Estelle [name changed for anonymity]. She immediately offered me a bump, a hug and her life story. I ran into trans and nonbinary people of all stripes, as well as the accompanying chasers. An old-head juggalo carting around a wagon filled with nitrous canisters asked for my pronouns. I shotgunned Four Lokos with a bunch of cis dudes as we screamed “FTM summer” in unison. One juggalo even came out to me as demisexual.

“I assumed it would be a cis sausage fest,” said Cody, a 31-year-old juggalo from New York who uses any pronouns. “But it was clear when I arrived how many other queers and trans folks were there. I am hopeful that with the years to come, there will be more of us at the Gathering. We have the capacity to take over.”

In America’s heartland, trans and queer juggalos of all backgrounds have found a space to cut loose, find friends and be themselves without judgment. Though Ohio has been at the center of the attack on trans people, those down to clown have found an unlikely refuge, at least for four wonderfully decadent days. Juggalos call each other “family” for a reason: the festival feels like a massive, wacky family reunion.

Blitz Primary (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 24 October 2024 18:49 (one year ago)

https://www.avclub.com/violent-j-went-to-a-furry-convention-in-an-icp-fursuit-1830823096

Violent J getting dressed up in a fursuit and taking his daughter to cons is so wholesome.

peace, man, Thursday, 24 October 2024 19:13 (one year ago)

furr sound pretty good! scott seward recommendations usually a safe bet. the cover, wow. like if you asked some really primitive AI programme to make a KISS album knockoff.

this train don't carry no wankers (doo rag), Friday, 25 October 2024 07:47 (one year ago)

i think i appreciate the cover more than the music now that i’ve listened

sparkling hebroic couplet (Hunt3r), Saturday, 26 October 2024 02:30 (one year ago)

somebody in one of the youtube comments claimed that record was just a dumping ground for a bunch of random Super K recordings from different groups, which would explain why the quality varies so much

budo jeru, Saturday, 26 October 2024 03:58 (one year ago)

sounds like something k&k would do for sure

this train don't carry no wankers (doo rag), Thursday, 31 October 2024 03:43 (one year ago)

I grew up in rural Wisconsin there were lots of Juggalos there, the main impression I get is that they're just people who wanna hang but have a hard time finding people who wanna hang with them

frogbs, Thursday, 31 October 2024 03:47 (one year ago)

every once in a while i walk down the street and start singing "I know what you wear/you wear the juggalo pants/you wear the juggalo pants...". because i'm a big syd barrett fan.

scott seward, Thursday, 31 October 2024 03:51 (one year ago)

every once in a while i walk down the street and start singing "I know what you wear/you wear the juggalo pants/you wear the juggalo pants...". because i'm a big syd barrett fan.

Awesome.

TheNuNuNu, Thursday, 31 October 2024 04:27 (one year ago)

My late FIL lived in Bay City, Michigan and there were always a TON of Juggalo sighting around that area.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 31 October 2024 14:50 (one year ago)


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