Bands whose fans were their own subculture

This doesn't happen all that often,
but i'm thinking about acts like Insane Clown Posse, whose fans the 'juggalos' dress in a specific way and identify as fans of said band rather than simply metal or hip hop fans.

When I was much younger I'd notice tall skinny dudes with shaved heads and black clothes sporting NIN logos on the backs of their jackets. No doubt these guys listened to other music but it was always NIN and they struck me as a subculture in their own right

In central and South America there's a hard core of adamant Smiths fans who, again, identify as worshippers at the church of Morrissey.

Does this sort of thing still happen? What does it take for an act to transcend being simply part of a genre and start being followed like a cult with its own specific subject of fans who dress and behave in a certain way? Any other examples out there?

KISS Army
Deadheads, Phishheads, Dave Matthews Band fans. Yes, all jam bands and probably more blended these days, but at least in the 1990s they all had distinct characteristics.

also all much much bigger in the States than on the other side of the pond, strangely

are DMB fans recognisable as a fan genre

?

milli vanilli
minor threat

xp: eh, maybe less so than the other others I mentioned. I dunno. Definitely not a visually distinct look, except in contrast to other jam band fans. Our sobriquet for them was "whitecaps" after the white baseball hats that were common among their fans in the mid-90s. a "norm-core" vibe. I know they do have extremely dedicated fans though.

could've just called this thread "Terrible people" and saved a few words

Throbbing Gristle maybe?

Parrotheads

Manic Street Preachers?

Parrotheads

― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, August 4, 2018 9:36 AM (seven seconds ago)

GWAR

definitely Manics in the nineties

The Cramps
Mothers of Invention

ahem

there's no Cardiacs dress code* as such but everything else fits

*except for The Flower

imago - Do you call yourself Juters? Gytists?

some good photos of numanoids here: http://www.numanme.co.uk/numanme/Numanoids-FAN.htm

A friend went to a Manics fan convention in an exhibition centre in about 2000. The band weren't there, maybe Richie was, I dunno.

HAWKWIND's hawklords

there was once this Bay area psych band "The Grateful Dead" had a small but devoted cult following

imago I'm gonna clean the basement today and dig into the Cardiacs

Nagomu Girls: coalesced around a label started by the singer of the band Uchoten in 1983, a post-punk, goth-girl fashion and music subculture that formed the roots of several later, more well-known factions, goth-lola, early Shibuya-Kei, Fruits magazine, that sort of thing.

http://www.coltranechurch.org/

The Stranglers

The Jam

Depeche Mode

Jimmy Buffet? They all seem to come from Florida and use Hawaiian shirts and flower collars.

Oh wait, those are the parrotheads aren’t they? They’ve already been mentioned. Sorry.

I’m pretty sure we have a dozen of those in latinamerica but I’m blanking out right now.

radiohead

sonic youth

I wasn't aware of a Stranglers subculture- something distinct from early punk?

I don't think of Radiohead or Sonic Youth as having a specific culture around them or look to them, unless:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwilvOyGjdTcAhURw1kKHXBTBlcQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.shutterstock.com%2Fvideo%2Fclip-14719336-stock-footage-casual-worker-at-his-desk-using-laptop-in-creative-office.html&psig=AOvVaw2OqxxD-Slqpavc9VELka1U&ust=1533496296341250

unless:

https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-14719399-casual-worker-using-computer-desk-creative-office

yeah i think this is one of those things where there's really only a half dozen or so real examples, they've all been named already, and we should stop now before thread devolves to just "bands who have fans"

the (early-era) who certainly fit here, no?

Turbonegro - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbojugend
Black Label Society? Seems to be a lifestyle thing for a lot of people for some obscure reason.

Grateful dead

the (early-era) who certainly fit here, no?

OTM.

Afrika Bambaata

Insane Clown Posse

Bambaata/Zulu Nation is a really good example

afrika bambaata ?

afrika bambaata ?

http://new.zulunation.com

ADAM AND THE ANTS - even Darby Crash fell into it.

Slipknot maggots

Anyone on Grindr past a certain time of night and looking for pnp is most definitley a Britney Spears fan.

Odd Future. Wu-Tang.

K Fed fans all got jobs at Ambercrombie after joining his club

The Levellers
New Model Army though there was probably a deal of overlap after the levellers broke through as the support act for an NMA tour in around '91.

The Mission who overlaped with Goth but had a tribe of people hitching between shows.

Beat Happening

It can be argued that Wagner was inspirational for the Nazis and they even had their own propaganda composer in Strauss.

Weird that nobody's mentioned the Insane Clown Posse. First example I thought of reading the OP.

mentioned above by MatthewK. good example

mentioned in the OP.

What about juggalos? Hellooooo

Don’t forget las juggalas

Grateful Dead

Just thought of jugallos btw

soref - good bit on the numanoids btw. had no idea

what about those Insane Clown Posse fans?

Belle & Sebastian

Dexy's Midnight Runners
The Cure

Discharge/Exploited crust punk is/was always relatively easy to spot.

Neds/Wonderstuff, similarly. BURN WITH FIRE.

The Cure (Robert Smith, really).

Discharge/Exploited and crust punk are 2 different things although the first influenced the latter (more Discharge than Exploited, crust punks mostly hated the Exploited tbh). Exploited = mohicans/spikes, crust punk = gross dreadlocks

Neither of them smell very good though.

Now glad I never mentioned it to them!

definitely Belle and Sebastian. ILM might not exist if it weren't for them

Not a band but the breakdancing/bboy culture

Did that crusty punk thing start with Crass fandom? & expand I know there were quite a few bands operating in that area in the early 80s.

Then there was the Spirit of '77 thing that I never quite understood, i thought pun was more vital over the previous year or couple of years. & becoming codified by '77.
& a lot of people woken up by punk had moved onto things a bit less codified by the early 80s anyway.

hey guys i think we need to mention icp and the dead a few more times

the modern day dead are icp btw. stealie = hatchetman. think about it

the crust punks I've met rep hardest for Amebix

Morrissey fans lol

not a band but football

not a bad but the far right

not a band but some insects underneath a really big rock

flaming lips fans

Can't believe nobody said Juggalos yet in THIS ENTIRE THREAD

Hey...Juggalos? Nobody brought them up right?

they did

the crust punks I've met rep hardest for Amebix

― mh

this is otm, also the band D.I.R.T.

surprised nobody has mentioned Juggalos itt

grateful dead too

ICP fans

https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20130815/irving-park/grateful-dead-cover-band-apologizes-fans-shocked-find-juggalos-at-bar/

LOL so hard @ this:

https://assets.dnainfo.com/generated/chicago_photo/2013/08/jerry-garcia-violent-j-1376601256.jpg/extralarge.jpg

Fun fact: Violent J is older now than Jerry was when he went into his coma.

this kind of thing happened to me, I went to see The Books in Milwaukee but screwed up and got the wrong week, so we saw a Mexican Wrestling show instead. obviously I don't regret the error at all.

significant overlap with grateful dead I would guess but disco biscuits. (one of my roommates in college was really, really into them, and as a result was almost never home)

2-tone.

https://flashbak.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/2Tone-Ska-1980-1280x844.jpg

subcultures w/bands versus bands with subcultures

Jerry Garcia is pretty much the last guy I'd expect to see in a Members Only type jacket.

Well, except for Violent J...

lmao at that juggalo article

Juggalos

Someone mentioned Throbbing Gristle upthread, but a better example would be Psychic TV, their fans being members/followers of Thee Temple ov Psychick Youth.

Eskimos!

http://www.and-the-dance-goes-on.de/images/mmapr0487.jpg http://www.and-the-dance-goes-on.de/images/soundsoct1489.jpg

surprised no one has mentioned Insane Clown Posse yet, wtf

also juggalos

Bay City Rollers.

Also ICP.

Oh yeah, ICP. Nice one

wtf is going on juggalos are ICP fans and were mentioned before this revive

Social Distortion

wtf is going on juggalos are ICP fans and were mentioned before this revive

Also, the whole phenomena of the Juggalo culture associated with Insane Clown Posse.

Has Rocket From The Crypt been mentioned?

I think there's a group, I want to say maybe some kind of hip hop thing, where they have a festival and spray fruit-flavour soft drink over the audience?

i remember in the mid 80s beastie boys fans nicking badges off volkswagons to wear

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin) at 4:50 13 Feb 19

wtf is going on juggalos are ICP fans and were mentioned before this revive

Also, the whole phenomena of the Juggalo culture associated with Insane Clown Posse.

remember in the mid 80s beastie boys fans nicking badges off volkswagons to wear

do you really remember this, or do you remember some bullshit from UK tabloid newspapers?

People who were fans of ICP’s Fuse TV program Insane Clown Posse Theater, but not the rest of their musical or multimedia output

my friends did it

xp

Algerian Goalie's friends: a defined subculture.

I was listening to some Dead over the weekend; it strikes me that Dead Heads are pretty relevant to this topic

not so relevant as fans of Insane Clown Posse. I believe they are called "Juggalos".

...and that's to say nothing of the progenitors of the Juggalo fanbase, the self-styled Insane Clown Posse, also known as the ICP.

Grateful Dead

Oh yeah. Definitely.

Urban Cookie Collective

I'm just a juggalo
And everywhere i go

I'm just a juggalo, I love to spray faygo
People know the face I'm painting

ctrl-F "juggalo" : 0 results

wtf ILM

true story I was driving past a parking lot with a big truck that said ICP (International Concrete Products) and I rolled down the window and yelled "WOOOP WOOOP!!!"

Sorry I had Urban Cookie Collective mixed up with The Insane Clown Posse

Are we purposely not mentioning The Insane Clown Posses? Weird omission if you ask me, lads.

no juggalos, no credibility

to be serious Suicidal Tendencies.

In the early 80's when dangerous punk gangs such as the "L.A. Death Squad" and "Circle One Family" were running rampant, few of the gangs stood out as much as the Suicidals, who dressed like Cholos. Formed from punks who grew up and lived in the ghettos of Venice, Long Beach, Santa Monica, and other parts of LA.

Their name comes from the "Suicidal Tendencies" punk/thrash/crossover band from Venice. Mike Muir along with the rest of the band were known to dress like "Cholos" even though they were punks. The Suicidal gang color is blue, which leads most to think that at first glance they are Crips, but Suicidals have no association with Crips. For the Suicidals rarely contended with typical major race gangs such as Bloods, Crips, Surenos, Nortenos etc. since they are of a different caliber and Suicidals only fought with other punk gangs.

is It really true that syd barrett’s mum had a sister who ran the icp fanclub?

Mike Muir along with the rest of the band were known to dress like "Cholos" even though they were punks.

I have noticed and kinda wondered about that

ICP is mentioned in the opening post

...but were their fans, the so-called Juggalos, mentioned? I think the OP was on the right track, but overlooked a few obvious bands (e.g., The Insane Clown Posse).

Juggalettes

I think the OP mentioned a posse of clowns, some of whom were insane, but failed to connect the dots in a satisfying way

Ohhhhhh, I didn't realise ICP was The Insane Clowns Posse.

Mike Muir along with the rest of the band were known to dress like "Cholos" even though they were punks.

#problematic #toomuchtounpack

I'm pretty skeptical that only two Insane Clowns constitute an entire Posse

Muir is half-Mexican, and ST have always had black and Latin members.

I think it often happens that there are subcultures with distinct looks and everything for whom a single band is THE band, and their look and general way-of-being is strongly based on the band in some way, but they're not as explicitly associated with the band as Juggalos (surprised nobody mentioned them itt yet!) and KISS army. In fact, sometimes it might be considered gauche to point out how much the subculture owes to the band (or even that the subculture exists). My wife's college friend group is basically defined by their devotion to Jimmy Eat World, but she gets really annoyed when I point it out!

What about the Russian activist band Posse Riot?

Industrial Cight and Pagic?

Little known fact: The ICP have a pretty dedicated following. I believe they even go by a name. *googles* Juggalos, that's it.

I'm going to need to see some evidence of that.

What the hell I mentioned Insane Clown Posse in my first post!

no i'm pretty sure you mentioned PM Dawn. (goes back and checks.) yep, PM Dawn.

I don't understand what's going on here. Maybe I forgot to mention Juggalos. Oh no wait... I did. Wow, I can't believe ICP aka Insane Clown Posse and their fans the Juggalos got mentioned so many times in this thread lol

Thank you for correcting that egregious oversight, dog latin.

I just want to make sure people know ICP were mentioned a lot of times in the thread in case there was any confusion

How about Bande D'arlequins Fous and their devoted fans "Les Jongleurs"?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5LGtfjFuroI/T2q7-AeuARI/AAAAAAAAAmo/YZfIlvkVrIk/s1600/Paul_Weller_TSC.jpg

mods

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/logopedia/images/f/f3/Blues_travelerlogo1.png

Blues Traveler fans called themselves "Poppers" and you could frequently see them dressed as harmonicas, pre-internet days so there are no pics at hand

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/logopedia/images/f/f3/Blues_travelerlogo1.png

that cat kinda looks like an insane clown imo

Of course in China there's 疯狂的小丑团伙 and their infamous fans 杂耍流氓

hmm I put 疯狂的小丑团伙 into Google translate and it came out: Fuckin magnets, how do they work?

That's a lyric from a band of some sort IIRC?

Yea yea they were that group the inane clown pussies iirc

Say did they have a fan club, to anybody's recollection?

The Buggalos iirc

Juggalos Killed the Radio Star

"down with the clown" is an example of the sort of catchphrase that band subcultures often generate (in this case, if you are "down with the clown," you are a Juggalo, and Juggalos are followers of the posse of "Insane Clowns" who make up the band Insane Clown Posse, often abbreviated as ICP).

mods

― goats eat grandma (NickB), Friday, 15 February 2019 14:52 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That late 70s mod revival began with the Jam though, iirc, so they wouldn't have been mods if they hadn't been Jam fans.

lol just came here to post icp and the juggalos

Little known fact: The ICP have a pretty dedicated following. I believe they even go by a name. *googles* Juggalos, that's it.

What about the Kix Army?

Apropos of nothing, I wish the thread Make A Band Name More Reasonable

Had had some variations on "Sane Clown Posse."

sane entertainer assembly

Guild of Discerning Thespians

If a man were truly insane, he would not have to serve in a clown posse. Yet applying not to serve in a clown posse proves that he is not insane (as it demonstrates his sanity); and so he must serve.

mimes sippin tea

If a man were truly insane, he would not have to serve in a clown posse. Yet applying not to serve in a clown posse proves that he is not insane

I believe that in the U.S. military this is referred to as "Catch Juggalo."

I dated a guy in college whose cousin was in the band Kix. A year or so after we broke up, he emailed me about going to a show where the audience sprayed midwestern soda with plastic toys and it was like, a thing, and everyone there were kinda the same, like, a subculture, and the band was called Insane Clown Posse. Pretty sure that was what they were called.

Relevant to this thread’s interests:

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-ms-kiss-tour-20190216-story.html

”What is that thing that connects to the fans and the band? It's not just songs,” says Simmons, who turns 70 this summer. “It's sort of a gathering of the tribes, because it is culture. There's no reason to put KISS tattoos on your body and to name your children after our songs. There's this other much bigger idea that hovers above the band and the fans. There’s some connection to your life."

Imagine naming your kid Love Gun, lol

Would K-Pop bands like BTS count?

yeah there's BTS army, and Gaga's little monsters

and beliebers

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fandom_nicknames

Surprised no one has mentioned Insane Clown Posse on there yet, wtf

I know, I'm tempted to edit it because the Juggalos deserve to be on there

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fandom_nicknames

Adam Lambert — Glamberts

What about Claymates? I heard that my high school health teacher was one. She used to raise Persian cats and then she became a rabid Clay Aiken fan.

Michael Jackson?

Also, 99.9999% of Dylan fans are not called, and do not call themselves, “Dylanologists” — I don’t care what some book reviewed by Janet Maslin in 2014 says.

NAMBLA members do have a subculture, but the real answer is Juggalos, fans of that Insane Clown Posse band

Fuckin kidfiddlers

that there ICP

subcultures, how do they work

The Phantom of the Opera / Phans
Phish / Phans

PHITE

What is that thing that connects to the fans and the band? .... “It's sort of a gathering of the tribes, because it is culture

Note how Simmons just barely avoids what he was clearly about to say. Which is "Gathering of the Juggalos."

In case you are not aware, that is what fans of Insane Clown Posse call themselves.

wow i had no idea that the juggalos thing goes so deep, check this out: https://www.google.com/search?q=gathering+of+the+juggalos&oq=gathering+of+the&aqs=chrome.0.0l2j69i57j0l3.2396j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

here's another link from another source: https://www.bing.com/search?q=gathering+of+the+juggalos&qs=LS&pq=gathering+of+the&sc=8-16&cvid=B9FD6A587F0D472485FB824E3DB44481&FORM=QBLH&sp=1

one more for the truly curious: http://search.lycos.com/web/?q=gathering+of+the+juggalos&keyvol=00a5c18f4d43ad539ef2

Brosettes

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Or worse, juggalo wedding

Violent J seems like a good father.

As long as you don't have an assignment on magnets you need help with

He acknowledges the question, at least. He's willing to learn.

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Wow I really killed this fun thread

That late 70s mod revival began with the Jam though, iirc, so they wouldn't have been mods if they hadn't been Jam fans.

My sister was involved in that revival and she was never a Jam fan fwiw.

Was she a fan of the insane clown posse? I hadn't thought about them in years til just now

crazy that it took so long for them to come up in this thread

yeah ... i mean, ICP are a really good example of this, thanks for finally mentioning them

surprised nobody has mentioned that band that sprayed fizzy juice over their fans

the elephant in the room that everybody seems to be tiptoeing around is ICP

xp - i think you are thinking of Insane Clown Posse?

yes, that's them! Surprised nobody mentioned them yet

I understand that their female fans are Juggalettes, which means that their children are Juggalinos or Juggalinas.

Mr. Juggalina, Mr. Bob Juggalina

lol

couldn't they also be Juggalosovs or Juggalosovnas or in Icelandic Juggalosdottir? Are there Juggalos in Iceland?

ICP are antispeciesist to boot:

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/juggalo-dog.jpg?quality=100&w=650

Didn't Shaggy have a hit with oh juggalina?

It's been a wild week for artists, journalists and fans, but a special shout-out to the B * S stans who reported the NYT music account for abuse for reporting that the group sold four collector versions of its EP to juice sales

— cganz (@mehpatrol) April 26, 2019

jfc the replies. I guess this is what Beatles fans would have been like on Twitter circa 1964?

OMG, you’re not kidding

Take a look what this NYT writer said about Taylor Swift when she did bundles and made her fans buy as much as 13 copies of ONE ALBUM to boost her sales. He described it as "Never doubt Taylor Swift". But as for BTS, he said "a canny strategy". He put her in more positive light.

All fans are terrible tbf

idk Juggalos aren't all bad

... fans of the Insane Clown Posse fwiw

Oh I forgot about them, surprised thy weren't mentioned in this thread

I completely misread that and thought Belle & Sebastian were selling their own juice, then I clicked on it and thought what has Built To Spill done now? Then I thought, wait, why hasn't anyone mentioned Insane Clown Posse on this thread before?

Did the original tweeter write “B * S” in an effort to avoid detection, but all those stans found & swarmed him anyway?

is this a place where we can say BTS are bad? bc they are bad.

had to google BTS

Bonkers Thespian Society === Insane Clown Posse

i have some stories about juggalos

Fucking fan subcultures, how do they work? (See what I did there?)

In case you didn't catch that, I was alluding to a song by Insane Clown Posse, who are particularly well known for having their own fan subculture.

Insane Clown Posse

Sure, but have you ever heard of the Juggalos?

šílených klaunů ozbrojený sbor

And of course in Spain you have Banda de Payasos Dementes and their hardcore fans 'Los Malabaristolós'

Autechre's fans are essentially an autistic subculture. Oh, and don't forget The Grateful Dead!

I'll see myself out

I See Pee

insane clown posse

Trans-Siberian Orchestra
Blue Man Group
ICP

im sorry who is ICP?

k-pop group

sorry again who is k-pop group?

I would argue Fugazi

Silver Jews

Maybe a stretch but after learning they exist, people that still stan Sublime in 2019 must be considered an (admittedly, extremely tiny) subgenre, no?

Also, astounded that Juggalos haven't been mentioned yet.

Subculture is what I obviously meant, thanks phone.

wait how has no one mentioned ICP & Juggalos yet??????? They are the only true example left, besides Phish Phans I guess. but Juggalos are the only true subculture, Phish Phans and Deadheads going to see Bob & co. are more integrated into mainstream society.

ha was just coming here to post about the gatherings of the juggalos

ICP has a subculture of fans. They are known as Jugheads.

Huh, Silver Jews?

All those middle aged men drinking white wine in the sun.

Also. ICP. C'mon.

there's one really obvious one that I can't believe everyone missed - Parrotheads

They are not dressing as parrots they are dressing as clowns c'mon man

why don't lambchop fans all dress like sheep?

Remove Juggalo from this Thread

Insane Clown Posse

Crazy to think that this thread was started EXACTLY two years and one day ago and no one has mentioned Insane Clown Posse yet.

fucked up, they are v popular

they've also got the juggalos

Do juggalos know about Insane Clown Posse? I could seem them being fans.

they are both "down with the clown" (fans of krusty the klown)

you're also forgetting the fans of Jimmy Buffett. They're called Juggalos iirc.

*thinks about it for the first time, 0.2 seconds later becomes furious that Jimmy Buffett fans are not called Buffalos*

what was the name of that group that did "Magnetcles"?

I know they're not exactly favorites around here, but you gotta recognize Insane Clown Posse and their fans who call themselves "Juggalos"

I actually like them a lot. Please don't FP me.

FP? Faygo please?

Carcass fans should be called Jugulars

Iirc fans of the Dave Matthews Band call themselves the Insane Clown Posse. Just a weird coincidence.

I call them frat boys, boom, roasted

“Insane Clown Pose” is my favorite Soundgarden song

can't believe nobody has thought of ICP!

come on u sleepin'

hey, just seeing this thread was bumped -- have Juggalos been mentioned? I saw a meme about them the other day and they definitely appear to be a subculture -- I think the meme involved Juggalos vs. Neo-nazis?

oh shit, also, that reminds me -- the Grateful Dead definitely had this!! I mean, I know I am from the San Francisco Bay Area, but I think "Deadheads" are fairly well known?

Huh, I had no idea but that sounds really cool. What does ICP stand for?

xp

It’s Cool, Parrotheads!

By coincidence, "Parrotheads" themselves might actually qualify for this thread. That's what Jimmy Buffett fans are known as, and now that I think about it they are kind of their own subculture.

Shit, long story, but back in 1998 me and about 14 other LA-area people who were HUGE fans of Eve 6 (you remember them - "wanna put my tender heart in a blender, watch it spin round to a beautiful oblivion, rendezvous and I'm through with you!"; great song) were paid by their label RCA Records to walk a few blocks down Hollywood Blvd to the Capitol Records building where there was a big release party going on for Garth Brooks because of three albums of his they were re-releasing that day. Me and all the other Eve 6 guys, we called ourselves The Sixers like it was like our gang name, and we did anything RCA told us to do to promote Eve 6. Anyway, one day that April, Capitol Records literally paid us $500 each to go walk down there, scope them all out, identify the weakest targets, and then get back to our rental car, drive it up to the Garth Brooks thing and run out and kidnap four of his fans, take them to the alley behind the Sunset Blvd Denny's, and beat them to within inches of their life with baseball bats. RCA thought this would somehow increase Eve 6's record sales! Of course we all did this without hesitation because hey it was 1998, MDMA was a new drug (that we were all taking), we were fueled by that and the propulsive energy of Eve 6, and frankly we needed the money!!!

Anyway, yeah, cliffs notes version for the thread: Eve 6 fans call themselves "Sixers," or at least we did back in '98.

The Denny’s at Sunset & Van Ness or the Denny’s at Sunset & Gower?

New Model Army Family are they separate enough?
I think they overlapped heavily with Levellers fans or even split off to follow them more.
Funny to see the band is either still around or reunited, they have a few pages in VIve Le Rock which I haven't read yet.

Eskimoes following the MIssion but not sure they would have been entirely separate from other early 70s rock Goth heads. Or did they fight themn on the beaches with Sisters of Mercy fans?

we're just gonna ignore burrito's post like almost every other post in this thread then?

in that case, Insane Clown Posse

Insane Clown Posse

Burrito doesn't know that I was, in fact, one of the "Garth Kids" that the notorious Sixers abducted and beat up.

The "Garths," as we called ourselves never harmed anyone. We were just united by our love of the music of Garth Brooks. Yeah, some people made fun of us for wearing cowboy hats and heavy eyeliner and lipstick. But there was certainly no call for violence against the Garth community.

Anyway, after going through that phase, many of us drifted away from being Garths and instead gravitated toward an interesting little band called Icy Pee. We carried jugs of frozen urine with us everywhere we went. No one knows why. I guess that's why they started calling us Juggaloos. But

ctrl-f "juggalos"

nothing??

I know, fuckin' weird, eh?

Shit, long story, but back in 1998 me and about 14 other LA-area people who were HUGE fans of Eve 6 (you remember them - "wanna put my tender heart in a blender, watch it spin round to a beautiful oblivion, rendezvous and I'm through with you!"; great song) were paid by their label RCA Records to walk a few blocks down Hollywood Blvd to the Capitol Records building where there was a big release party going on for Garth Brooks because of three albums of his they were re-releasing that day. Me and all the other Eve 6 guys, we called ourselves The Sixers like it was like our gang name, and we did anything RCA told us to do to promote Eve 6. Anyway, one day that April, Capitol Records literally paid us $500 each to go walk down there, scope them all out, identify the weakest targets, and then get back to our rental car, drive it up to the Garth Brooks thing and run out and kidnap four of his fans, take them to the alley behind the Sunset Blvd Denny's, and beat them to within inches of their life with baseball bats. RCA thought this would somehow increase Eve 6's record sales! Of course we all did this without hesitation because hey it was 1998, MDMA was a new drug (that we were all taking), we were fueled by that and the propulsive energy of Eve 6, and frankly we needed the money!!!

this is the most terrifying copypasta i've ever read.

i mean ffs i knew major record labels were evil but damn

what did they call guerilla marketing back then, like "street teaming" or something

Actually it was "gorilla marketing," not "guerrilla marketing." Some of us were paid to dress as gorillas to promote Damon Albarn's conceptual project, Gorillaz.

Unfortunately the Sixers (whom we called "sux0rs") showed up first. They beat us up with baseball bats behind a Denny's. That's why their band became hugely popular and critically lauded, as they are to this day.

But they never attained the popularity of the Posse of Insane Clowns. Has anyone mentioned them yet in this thread?

surely

My high school was pretty much divided between Garths and Gaines. My heart was with rock and roll so I still sport my Chris Gaines tattoo when I whip off my shirt before a fight

no Gaines, no paines.

New Model Army is definitely right... they've just kept plugging away on the albums (last one is really enjoyable) and can consistently sell out 2000-ish sized venues throughout europe, probably to exactly the same people every year.

the weird thing with this thread though is nobody has mentioned the Insane Clown Posse?

this is a crazy thought, but has anybody ever tried shortening that to just "I.C.P."?

Immortal Technique maybe

Radio Heads

Hey, many of you guys might have already heard of it, but I just found out about this band called The Juggalos, and their fans are super into it and call themselves the Crazy Clown Gang and apparently it's this whole thing....

Thought it might be relevant to this thread.......

that's fascinating, especially seeing as how this is the first time i'm hearing anything of the sort.

Merits investigation.

intersting, wonder if theyre in any relation to the insane clown posse (ICP)

i've been racking my brain on this for the longest time and i just can't think of one

Just breaking.

My only more personal interaction with a Juggalo was with a Juggalette in a small town in mountainous northern California.

We'd hopped off a boxcar the evening before, grabbed beers and food, and found a good place to camp by the river. But later that night, it began to rain, so we had to pack up all our shit and hike in pouring rain to an overpass, where we slept in dust for a few hours.

Eventually we wandered back into town, ending up at an oddly placed gazebo along the main street. It was still pouring, and we were exhausted, and then this young woman came up to us and asked us if she could help us in any way. She also asked whether we had gotten in on a freight train and we said yes. We were a little suspicious, but we followed her when she said we could dry off and cook food at her house.

Which was a small, bleak apartment in an old apartment building that used to be a whorehouse, in sight of the river and the train tracks. We were hanging out with her, she kept packing bowls of ditch weed and talking about how her kid got taken from her. There were lots of legal papers scattered about, and she had two very young kittens living with her. We had our stuff in her dryer and cooker up some chili ramen.

Then, she answered her phone with a "whoop whoop" and we knew immediately that we were in the presence of a Juggalette.

Her mom came over and asked us why we were trying to get her daughter to run away from the small town. We told her we were doing nothing of the sort.

Eventually, it cleared up and our stuff got dry, and we cleared out. We talked about her sometimes, the kindly Juggalette.

Two years later, we're at the hobo museum where we eventually lived for a while, but that's besides the point. She was there! It was near the town where we'd first met her and during a party weekend, and I recognized her immediately. She had a hatchetman tattoo on her foot. She didn't recognize me at all but kept hitting on me all weekend even when my now-husband showed up and we were being all gross and queer hobo.

Anyway, when we moved to the area for a bit and I worked in the grocery store in town, she came in while I was cashiering, and my co-worker watched her try to steal a bunch of supplements. So, the last time I saw her, she was telling me that I was cute but that my co-worker was a terrible cunt who could get fucked. Never saw her again, a lost soul in northern California mountain towns.

lock thread

i have to break character here for a second and say what a beautiful tale that was; and articulated just as beautifully.

lock thread indeed.

yeah, that was a wonderful post. reads like a great short story.

wow. thank you table.

Good stuff table.

Thanks for reading it. All true! Apologies for misspellings, I was a little drunk and typing on my phone.

That was a great story, thanks, but I went to look up the Hobo Museum and saw that it was in Iowa so I got a little confused.

https://www.bbcrc.org/

My husband and I were winter caretakers here, 2015-2016

Fine tale, table. But

winter caretakers

Puts one in mind of

https://i.imgflip.com/2/4gtxd8.jpg

This was the place where the two other people on the property were right drug addicts and one of them threatened to kill us. We were fine and having a great time up until that point

marilynne robinson - 'juggling'

Do we have an 'excelsior'-like thread for booming posts?

Yes, and this was already posted there by Elvis Telecom. ilx posts with striking imagery

Also this, but not really for recent posts, according to thread title: Old ILX Posts Which Continue To Haunt Your Thoughts

Presidetn Donald John Trump

The Corona Virus

Insane Clown's Posse

Donald J. Trump

COVID-19

I.C.P.

Mr. Don Trump, U.S. President

SARS-CoV-2

Juggalo Family Gang

Hello Im Barron Trumpe and I've got the Corona Virus. I enjoy listening to music of Insane Clowns Possee on my Apple iPod portable music listening device. My father is President Donald J. Trump and we have the COVID-19 virus inside of us. Thank for reading my message, good day, I am Barron Trumpe

https://voca.ro/1oCsBKWgfg9Z

a recent revive has me thinking that a good example of this phenomenon might be Insane Clown Posse

Beat me to it!

Okay, the downside of this thread hijacking is that we have nowhere to discuss this topic.

So, in an attempt to get this thread back on the rails, I'll offer a non-jokey answer to the question (and frankly, I can't believe I'm the first to mention them): the Juggalos! (fans of Insane Clown Posse)

I understand juggalo, but then they do boogaloos?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXg1AxBXN5g

Ringo's response to "Honky Cat"

Have we talked about GWAR in this thread? A bunch of friends from elementary and middle school go to the Gwar-B-Que every year. It seems linked to Warped Tour and festival culture generally, but more bro-ey and also, Gwar.

GWAR fans are called "bohabs"

I seem to recall GWAR have played at the Gathering Of The Juggalos - which, for those of you not 'in the know', is a festival to celebrate the music and personal grooming style of clown-based US rap act Insane Clown Posse, aka "ICP".

never heard of them

Insane Clown Posse

From time to time, I drive past a business which uses its initials ICP on the sign. I amuse myself more than I should by imagining an office filled with Juggalos working in cubicles.

I recently found myself (sort of) explaining to a kid how magnets work, and had to spray out some imaginary Faygo.

never did learn how they work tbh

you want to talk to a scientist

Yeah, but the metaphysics of it all.

great revive

ffs

i keep meaning to come back here and revive the thread for icp

What’s icp

Indochinese Communist Party, 1930–1945, a predecessor of the Communist Party of Vietnam

and i scream at the top of my lungs
"what's ICP"

xp
bingo

I believe the fans are called buffalo's, because the band is from upstate NY

Not to be confused with Ruffalos, who pay tribute to their idol by wearing rumpled T-shirts and jeans and rubbing the back of their necks while smiling nervously.

simply cannot comprehend that nobody's mentioned the Jimstein Clowman Posse

is the kiss army boomer juggalos?

this meme on fb says so

lol accurate

who are the juggalos?

Fucking love guns
Why don't mine work

are there any ethnographies of a particular instance of this phenomenon, juggalos (followers of icp)

There must be one on Deadheads by now, surely.

the politics of juggalos and deadheads (every potential definition of the word politics here) would be particularly rich and confounding vein I should think

Nathan Rabin wrote a book called You Don't Know Me but You Don't Like Me: Phish, Insane Clown Posse, and My Misadventures with Two of Music's Most Maligned Tribes .

There must be one on Deadheads by now, surely.

I read an anthropological study of teenage jazz fans in the 30s or 40s once, in a book of essays about music (there was also one about how music in 1988 was terrible and doomed) - have been looking for it since but can't remember anything else about it.

Okay but this is a thread about musical subcultures, and we should probably be discussing the topic of Juggalos.

apologies if i should just google this, but who are the juggalos?

Insane Clown Posse tribute band aiui

wow i know im getting old bc i do not know any of these new gen z artists lmao

Idk who you're thinking of but the prime example of this, the Insane Clown Posse, got big in the 90s

magnets were a lot more difficult to understand back then

It's weird that ICP haven't been discussed before now, tbh.

The Amsterdam-based jazz and new music collective the Instant Composer’s Pool have a convention every year in Cave-In-Rock, Illinois which gets very wild I hear!

Sounds rad! Are they familiar with the music produced by the Posse of Insane Clowns?

I think their fan base is affectionately referred to as Jugglers, but I am not sure.

Surely someone will enlighten me in due course.

thought of a good one for thIs thread the other day, but it esCaPes me now.

this is a little hyperspecific, but is there a term for fans of J.S. Bach's Italian Concerto (as performed on the Piano)?

yes, parrotheads

juggalos iirc?

A little known fact: The term 'Juggalos' is derived from the 16th century jurist Henry Gallough, nicknamed Judge Gallows, who was known for frequently handing down sentences of death for the crimes of frolicking, clowning and drinking of an ale called Saygo.

this is a little hyperspecific, but is there a term for fans of J.S. Bach's Italian Concerto (as performed on the Piano)?

Yes, and fans of Steve Albini are called Albinos.

Fans of Los Lobos are called Loslobogos.

Fans of the Go-Gos... well, you know.

Personally the only subculture I'm a part of is fans of the 60s psychedelic rock band Blue Cheer.

Me and thousands of other Cheerios (as we're called) have an annual Gathering of the Cheerios.

I am curious about whether there are other bands whose fans have formed their own subculture.

Yeah, strange it hasn't been mentioned but the Grateful Dead have a pretty obsessive and insular fanbase known as Deadallos...

Funny - I call 'em Great Nuts (same cereal aisle, more crunchy)

my favorite is the radiohead fandom, who refer to themselves as headheads.

So, are they kind of like the more famous Clownheads?

Can’t forgot that rhythm guitar-centric Dead sub-subculture, the Weirdos

can't believe nobody has mentioned fans of Dying Fetus, who call themselves Feties

really surprised nobody has mentioned ICP itt

Les Jongleurs

neds whose fans were their own subculture

I don’t think Swifties have been explicitly named ITT, but they’re actually the mainstream culture now.

idk I kinda think that Juggalos ... are more of a subculture? Have we talked about this yet?

good point

Do they make their own charm bracelets tho

Don't know about ICP. But there's this band, Crazy Clown Crew or something? Mental Harlequin Gang? I forget. Anyway, their fans dress up like these insane clowns and have meet ups. I'll kick myself when I remember the name.

twizted is a band that you should check out their subculture

There's a ridiculously obvious one that actually hasn't been mentioned yet

What you got is a whole miserable subculture.

I know we're talking about music here, but it's interesting that subcultures also form around wrestlers. For instance, these guys: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_wrestling_career_of_Insane_Clown_Posse

Gwar is like wresting and music

https://www.kerrang.com/inside-the-cult-of-gwar-we-might-be-weirdos-but-there-are-a-bunch-of-other-weirdos-out-there-too

Billy Corgan is a big wrestling guy, to the point of being a senior producer and talent developer for one wrestling fed and recently outright buying another.

I knew the feds had infiltrated wrestling

Yeah, William P Corgan bought the IP related to the National Wrestling Alliance and they’re very much a third-division kind of deal. Plus he has that Fox News asshole Tyrus as his champion, which isn’t surprising given his own politics are suspect enough that he on Alex Jones as a guest more than once.

What's the deal with certain rich guys and wrestling, MMA, etc.

Bob Mould is also a big wrestling guy (he even worked for one of the big leagues at the end of the ’90s) but he doesn’t make it his whole personality.

Keyes I enjoyed that post even if nobody else read all the words in it

The Ramones and Misfits have thousands of fans who have never heard their music.

Today’s sad news made me think of this thread, and wonder if anyone has ever mentioned the “Juggalos,” fans of the band “Insane Clown Posse” aiui

Power metal in general to thread?

Has there ever been a Parrothead who was also a Juggalo?

A JugParrot. Wastin' away again in Insane Posse-ville.

Grape Faygo in Paradise

Parrotheads are basically Boomer Juggalos

Hey now, boomer is a slur!

can we add roisin murphy to the list now?

Take Her Up to Faygo

Roisin Clown Posse

haha!

LOOOOOL

feel like there's one group I can't put my finger on. they dress kinda like clowns, and they rap

You gotta narrow that down. How is their mental health?

Has there ever been a Parrothead who was also a Juggalo?

A JugParrot. Wastin' away again in Insane Posse-ville.

― Pontius Pilates (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, September 2, 2023 10:15 AM (five months ago)

I'm too lazy to look for it, but I swear an ilxor told a story about wandering through the outdoor patio scene when both Buffett and ICP were playing on the same night, and he overheard the pre-gaming Parrotheads obliviously cracking jokes, like "what are these clowns all dressed up for?"

A Juggalo Looks at (a) 40

I am workshopping a new band name, please help

Sane Clown Posse

Insane Clown Pussy Riot

Faster PosseCat

Maybe I left some words out, but The Mad Riot Puffins ? Your fans would be the Puffaloes. I feel we are getting closer to something unprecedented, let's think hard.

https://greenvillejournal.com/arts-culture/upstate-beat-sister-hazel-counts-on-hazelnuts-for-upstate-gig/

I only know this is a thing because someone I knew once referred to themselves as a Hazelnut and I don't think I ever cringed more fiercely in my life.

As I am sure you are all aware, Korn got their start by playing formal dances, called Kornballs.

oh my god Hazelnuts that is the greatest

Trying to think of a sadder band to stan for.

Nickelbackers.

Hüsker Düers. Rüsted Rooters. Milli Vanillists. Cutting Crewmen. Bizketeers.

O wait... Children of the Korn.

The Maroon Fivesome

The Fishmansons

David Grayniacs

Canadian Mike Watt fans, the fIREHOSErs

428 posts and no mention of Insane Clown Posse?

it is always a surprise to still see ppl rep so hard for Turbonegro

maybe they have erection

it is always a surprise to still see ppl rep so hard for Turbonegro

The Turbonegronis

Iirc Henley/Frey fans call themselves Eaglets

imagine... you're a young eagle.. and your parents are don henley and glenn frey

the culture/fashion holding pattern thread had me thinking about this question again and about how we still haven't come up with any good examples of this phenomenon

the great unanswered question of ilm

I know it's not a band, but stumbling onto Instagram reels of young people in 2025 keeping the dancing, fashion and social clubs going makes me wonder if "northern soul" might be a response.

any other examples of subcultures that are subcultures?

Okay, I probably deserved that, but I'm not aware of a subcultures that are still surprisingly thriving thread.

I did hear about this one band that hasn't been mentioned yet. Can't remember their name. I'll get back

proud to have made the first clueless ICP double-up itt

Swifties?

Sure, Swifties are what Taylor Swift fans are called now, but early in her career, her fans mainly identified as fans of the genre "Ingenue Country-Pop," abbreviated ICP.

Or sometimes they used a sobriquet derived from the jugs of water that Swift kept on hand backstage to stay hydrated during her energetic concerts.

I heard she branded the water as "Tay-Go"

On a microscopic level there were a bunch of hippie-era bands that were simultaneously bands and communes. The Incredible String Band, Gong, Hawkwind etc. but especially The Incredible String Band. Or at least they squatted together and had a circle of followers. Hawkwind was the house band of Frestonia, an independent nation that had its own air, its own transport - bicycles - plus access to water and shops.

What they lacked in numbers they made up for in intensity. Ditto Charles Manson's Family, and to a lesser extent Jim Jones' crew in Jonestown. Jim Jones pioneered the chopped and screwed style and invented purple drank. He was the first black president, predating Bill Clinton by twenty years.

Along similar lines there are probably several hip-hop bands that raise funds on the side by selling drugs and/or killing people, again probably not in huge numbers but what they lack in numbers they make up with the willingness to kill and die for their colours. It is surprising in retrospect how much media in the 1960s was convinced that rock music would become a new world religion, with Mick Jagger leading the children of the world into a new level of consciousness etc.

Which of course didn't happen. I think you need a combination of a solid visual identity, absolute loathing from the mainstream - so you're a rebel, an underdog - and an awesome stream of top music, which is why Iron Maiden had such a strong following. The Insane Clown Posse at least had the first two things. But a religion offers eternal life or at least spiritual salvation, which is something missing from modern music.

“Hip-hop bands”

In case anyone is paying attention to that nonsense, the Incredible String Band never squatted anywhere.

I just FPd and moved on, but yes

C’mon Ashley is harmless.

I admit my annoyance is subjective

the Grateful Dead was basically one giant drug trafficking operation and they probably have some bodies buried somewhere

https://bsky.app/profile/theonion.com/post/3llwxbtowtl23

https://theonion.com/artist-profile-morgan-wallen/

Ingenue Country-Pop

This is genius btw

thinking about this: what about the Dropkick Murphys? They started out as a Boston street punk band, but have morphed into an Irish pride pop-punk band beloved by middle-aged chuds from the suburbs who absolutely worship them— like it’s definitely a thing, at least in the mid-Atlantic and New England.

i saw them a few times back in the day, but then a few years ago went with a childhood friend (who is no longer a friend, sadly) to see them open for Rancid and I was shocked at the number of people who were there just to see them, and also the correlation of Dropkick fans to Trump stickers on brand new SUVs in the parking lot

That’s a good one. But have you considered Insane Clown Posse?

and also the correlation of Dropkick fans to Trump stickers on brand new SUVs in the parking lot

Which given the band has been ripping into Trump lately is hopefully causing said fans a lot of cognitive dissonance:

https://www.wbur.org/news/2025/03/20/dropkick-murphys-ken-casey-trump

a lot of cognitive dissonance

Dropkick fans

or, as they're commonly known in boston, the "irish/celtic processional."

Sinatra / Bobby-soxers

There was a persistent psychobilly subculture in the UK throughout the 80s which I guess was birthed by The Cramps.