Okay, people asked for an ambient albums poll, so let's do it! Here's the rules:
* You can nominate up to 30 records.
* You have until Friday, May 31st, midnight GMT to post your nominations to this thread.
* Only albums or album-length recordings qualify. You can nominate a maxi-single or an EP, but it needs to be at least 30 minutes long.
* Any record that's released as self-contained album counts as one album. So, for example, if you nominate Max Richter's Sleep, that's still just one nomination, even though it has 8 CDs. On the other hand, multi-album compilations don't count as one. For example, Lorenzo Montanà's Trilogy/i] is not a single album, cos the three discs on it had previously been released as separate albums. You should nominate those indididual albums instead of the comp.
* Classical compositions qualify, but you need to specify which recording of the piece your nominating. Like this, for example: John Tavener - Towards Silence (Signum Classics 2010). Also, you’re nominating the entire album, so if it has one 10 minute ambient composition and 50 minutes of non-ambient pieces, you probably should consider whether it fits here. The same applies to other genres too, obviously: if an album has some ambient interludes, but most of it is banging techno, it doesn't really qualify.
* There are no strict genre restrictions, so you can nominate stuff that’s usually labelled as new age, space music, minimal techno, drone, jazz, contemporary classical, musique concrete, etc, if you feel it also counts as ambient music. I'm not gonna disqualify anything, as long as it's a record that's at least 30 minutes long.
* However, you should remember that the main characteristic of ambient music is that it's non-intrusive background music that doesn't call attention to it with abrasive or aggressive sonics, dancey beats, fast tempo and mood changes, catchy hooks, etc. So, for example, something like Aphex Twin's [i]Selected Ambient Works 85-92 wouldn't (despite its title) really qualify as ambient defined this way because of its fast techno rhythms. Nor would albums by Enya; even though they are definitely new age, and many new age records are definitely ambient, Enya's music is too pop and hook-oriented to be in that category. Again, I'm not gonna stop anyone from nominating anything just because I don't think is ambient, but hopefully you'll consider these things before nomming some IDM classics or something.
So those are specifics, now start nominating!
― Tuomas, Thursday, 16 May 2019 17:46 (six years ago)
Might as well kick it off with a few:
2814 - Birth of a New DayAkira Rabelais - SpellewauerynsherdeAphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works, Vol. IIBlack Swan - AeternaBrian Eno - Ambient 4: On LandThe Caretaker - Everywhere at the End of TimeGlobal Communication - 76:14raison d’être - The Empty Hollow UnfoldsRobert Rich - SomniumRobert Rich & Lustmord - StalkerStars of the Lid - The Tired Sounds of Stars of the LidTangerine Dream - ZeitTim Hecker - Harmony in Ultraviolet
(13/30)
― pomenitul, Thursday, 16 May 2019 17:58 (six years ago)
Oh and
Celer - Engaged TouchesThe Haxan Cloak - Excavation
(15/30)
― pomenitul, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:01 (six years ago)
some personal faves, more later:
David Jackman - Sol MaraOrganum - Vacant LightsBrian Eno - Ambient 1: Music For AirportsAeolian String Ensemble - Lassithi/ElysiumChihei Hatakeyama - Minima MoraliaGas - PopClimax Golden Twins - LovelyHarold Budd - Ambient 2: The Plateaux Of Mirror
8/30
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:05 (six years ago)
David Hykes & the Harmonic Choir – Hearing Solar WindsSatoshi Ashikawa - Still WayHiroshi Yoshimura – Music For Nine Post CardsStars of the Lid - The Tired Sounds of Stars of the LidStars of the Lid - The Ballasted OrchestraGas - Königsforst William Basinski - The Disintegration LoopsBrian Eno - Discreet MusicHarold Budd / Brian Eno - The PearlBrian Eno - Thursday Afternoon
10/30
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:06 (six years ago)
whoops, i've already managed to duplicate a nomination (SotL - tired sounds)
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:07 (six years ago)
Gavin Bryars - The Sinking of The Titanic (Point 1995)Constance Demby - Novus MagnificatDavid Hykes & The Harmonic Choir - Hearing Solar WindsPaul Horn - Inside the Great PyramidIngram Marshall - Fog Tropes - Gradual RequiemPopol Vuh - In The Gardens of Pharao
6/30
― Dan Worsley, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:10 (six years ago)
Whoops, missed David Hykes already nommed, so 5/30
― Dan Worsley, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:11 (six years ago)
Tony Conrad - Four ViolinsTim Hecker - Ravedeath, 1972Eliane Radigue - Trilogie de MortEliane Radigue - Adnos I-IIIBelong - October LanguageFolke Rabe - What??Eluvium, Talk Amongst the TreesLaraaji, Ambient 3: Day of RadianceEarth, 2Charlemagne Palestine, Strumming for Bosendorfer PianoShamantis, U Smile (800% Slower)Sunroof!, BlissBrian Eno - ApolloLichens - The Psychic Nature Of BeingPhil Niblock - Nothing to Look at Just a RecordLa Monte Young - Dream House 78' 17"La Monte Young - The Black RecordLa Monte Young - The Tamburas of Pandit Pran NathKeith Fullerton Whitman - PlaythroughsKeith Fullerton Whitman - Lisbon
― dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:20 (six years ago)
Here's my nominations:
Alio Die & Sylvi Alli – Amidst the Circling SpiresAlquimia – "Coatlicue" Goddess of the EarthBaked Beans – Baked Beans Biosphere - Departed GloriesConstance Demby – Novus Magnificat: Through the StargateDebit - AnimusÉliane Radigue – Jetsun MilaFrance Jobin – IntricationIotronica – Of Moons and StarsJohn Tavener - Towards Silence (Signum Classics 2010)Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith – TidesKhan & Walker – Empire State BuildingLorenzo Montanà – Phase IXLucia Hwong – Secret LuminescenceLucette Bourdin - Nordic Waves, Vol. 2: SpringMariolina Zitta – Concert for Bats, Voices and Natural Sounds Meg Bowles – The Shimmering LandMinilogue - BlommaMove D – The Silent OrbiterMusic to Films – Music to FilmsOliver Lieb – Inside VoicesOmni Vu Deity – UvunayatuOrganic Cloud – Organic CloudShades of Orion – Shades of Orion 2Solar Quest – OrgshipSheila Chandra – ABoneCroneDroneSilence – Silence VSuzanne Ciani – Seven Waves Vangelis – Soil FestivitiesZalys - Sublime
(30/30)
― Tuomas, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:21 (six years ago)
Hiroshi Yoshimura - Wave Notation 1: Music for Nine Post CardsPauline Oliveros, Stuart Dempster & Panaiotis - Deep ListeningBen Frost - By the ThroatBen Frost - AURORAAlva Noto + Ryuichi Sakamoto - Insen
― dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:24 (six years ago)
Music for Nine Post Cards already nominated :)
lotta great stuff already
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:26 (six years ago)
I think IDM classics are mostly ambient techno, so I'm rather against their inclusion too.
Would any of these qualify?Eno + Laraaji - Ambient 3 (I see Whiney already nommed it)Fennesz - VeniceRichard Skelton - LandingsJulia Kent - Asperities
My nominations:Oren Ambarchi - TristeColleen - The Golden Morning BreaksEluvium - CopiaKinski - Don't Climb On And Take The Holy WaterLabradford - E Luxo SoLabradford - fixed::contextA Winged Victory for the Sullen - Atomos
7/30
― Soccer Team's Philosophies and Hypotheses (Leee), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:34 (six years ago)
napalm death
― imago, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:35 (six years ago)
^i did make a quick 10% time stretch of "you suffer", and it's the most ambient 20 second burst of pain you've ever heard
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:37 (six years ago)
so were conflating ambient and drone again
― brimstead, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:39 (six years ago)
anything without a pulse is ambient now
― brimstead, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:40 (six years ago)
tony Conrad - fine purveyor of furniture musicOk I’ll stop
― brimstead, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:41 (six years ago)
Irresistible Force - Global ChillageIrresistible Force - DreamfishBiospehere - PatashnikRather Interesting presents DOTSMasters of Psychedelic Ambiance - "Mu"Further - 5 Further JourneysMLO - IOFAX et al : The Ambient Cookbook vol. 1Future Sound of London - Lifeforms
― mark e, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:41 (six years ago)
i'm sure there's a whole thread on this, but there's not exactly a fine line
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:42 (six years ago)
Harold Budd - Lovely ThunderYagya - RigningSteve Roach - Structures From Silence
― omar little, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:44 (six years ago)
if I used it to fall asleep to at any point in my life, it's ambient :)
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:46 (six years ago)
These Hammock LPsHammock - Kenotic Hammock - Raising Your Voice...Trying to Stop an Echo Hammock - Oblivion Hymns
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:46 (six years ago)
Grouper - A I A: Dream LossChubby Wolf - OrnitheologyTetsu Inoue - Ambiant OtakuHiroshi Yoshimura - GreenEleh - Location MomentumKyle Bobby Dunn - Kyle Bobby Dunn and the Infinite SadnessMarble Sky - Marble SkyCatherine Christer Hennix - Central Palace MusicChristopher Heemann & Andrew Chalk - Mirror of the SeaASC - No Stars Without DarknessKid606 - Recollected Ambient Works, Vol. 1: Bored of ExcitementAlex Cobb - ChantepleureIan William Craig - A Turn of BreathMarconi Union - WeightlessLoscil - Endless FallsDJ Olive - Sleep
16/30
― lowercase (eric), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:48 (six years ago)
Hijokaidan – Noise From Trading Cards
― brimstead, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:48 (six years ago)
sorry, j/k, promise I’m done
― brimstead, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:49 (six years ago)
well, in that case I should nom every classic era Moody Blues album
― mark e, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:50 (six years ago)
Christopher Heemann & Andrew Chalk - Mirror of the Sea
I love this one so much, thanks for nominating!
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:56 (six years ago)
it's so good, gonna have to (try to) campaign for that one
― lowercase (eric), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:01 (six years ago)
Moss Harvest - Constructs Of Loss And Longing
17/30
There's definitely Ambient as a liise genre and Ambient as an even looser way of listening but hey
― Doctor Nu (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:01 (six years ago)
Anyway
Aloof Proof - Piano Text
(1/30)
― Doctor Nu (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:03 (six years ago)
Daniel Pemberton - BedroomSpacetime Continuum - Sea BiscuitAxiom Ambient - Lost in the TranslationMiles Davis - In a Silent WayDavid Sylvian/Holger Czukay - Flux and MutabilityJuno Reactor - Luciana
― mark e, Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:06 (six years ago)
oh wait gotta correct the name tho lol
Christoph Heemann & Andrew Chalk - Mirror of the Sea
― lowercase (eric), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:06 (six years ago)
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― dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:12 (six years ago)
I will die never knowing the difference between hard bop and post bop.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:16 (six years ago)
xp way to miss the point but whatever's easiest for you i guess
some actual nomsDJ Olive - BuoyHeathered Pearls - LoyalRobert Turman - FluxStrategy - Noise Tape SelfTerekke - Improvisational LoopsVarious - Pop Ambient 2002Brian Eno - ReflectionRandall McClellan – The Healing Music Of Rana Vol. IIRandall McClellan – The Healing Music Of Rana Vol. III
(8/30)
― brimstead, Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:18 (six years ago)
oops 9/30
― brimstead, Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:19 (six years ago)
i'm just saying isn't the point of stuff like phil niblock for you to like listen to attentively so you can trip out and stuff?
― brimstead, Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:21 (six years ago)
sorry sorry i'm done really
― brimstead, Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:22 (six years ago)
The KLF - Chill OutThe Orb - Chill Out, World!New Dreams Ltd. - SleeplineJean-Michel Jarre - Waiting for Cousteau
(not sure which Orb albums really count here, and quite frankly I'm not sure about the other two either)
― frogbs, Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:23 (six years ago)
Ben Frost - By the ThroatThere are a lot of competing definitions of ambient, coming up with submissions that fall under none of them is quite an achievement.
― but everybody calls me, (lukas), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:26 (six years ago)
If we're going broad, does Live From A Shark Cage count? Sowiesoso? No Pussyfooting?
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:34 (six years ago)
Keith Fullerton Whitman - LisbonPetrels - HaeligewielleJD Emmanuel - WizardsEyvind Kang - Live Low to the Earth, in the Iron AgeBiosphere - SubstrataPeter Wright - An Angel Fell Where the Kestrels Hover Susumu Yokota - SakuraDaevid Allen - Seven DronesSun Electric - 30.7.94 Roly Porter - AftertimeRoy Montgomery - Scenes From the South IslandBirchville Cat Motel - Beautiful Speck Triumph Robert Ashley - Private Parts
13/30
Well aware some of these are pushing it!
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:45 (six years ago)
Pete Namlook & Tetsu Inoue - 2350 Broadway IVSleep Research Facility - Deep FriezeBlamstrain - DisfoldJeff Greinke - Cities in FogNicholas Szczepanik - We Make Life SadColleen - Everyone Alive Wants AnswersLoscil - Sea Island1991 - No More Dreams
^playing it safe for now. wonder if I should be an asshole and nominate a bunch of deadmau5 albums in my next post
― lispectah deck (unregistered), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:00 (six years ago)
Huerco S. - Colonial PatternsPrurient - Rainbow Mirror
(10/30)
― lispectah deck (unregistered), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:13 (six years ago)
Chinaski: Whiney already nominated KFW's Lisbon!
― Soccer Team's Philosophies and Hypotheses (Leee), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:15 (six years ago)
Eck - I'm blind!
Bang on A Can - Music for AirportsMary Lattimore - The Withdrawing RoomAlva Noto - Xerrox Vol.1High Aura'd - Sanguine FuturesThe Dead Texan - The Dead Texan 1 Mile North - Minor ShadowsMotion Sickness of Time Travel- Motion Sickness of Time TravelKoen Holtkamp - Gravity / BeesMountains - Sewn
(22/30)
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:17 (six years ago)
i guess i'm going to nominate a catchall ambient-era OPN release, even though it's sort of a comp:
Oneohtrix Point Never - Rifts
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:18 (six years ago)
Loscil - PlumeStars Of The Lid - And Their Refinement of the DeclineKasper Bjørke Quartet – The Fifty Eleven ProjectCFCF – ExercisesTommy Awards - Sessions IIWilson Tanner - 69The Fires Of Ork – The Fires Of Ork 2Hatchback – Zeus & ApolloVarious – (The Microcosm) Visionary Music Of Continental Europe, 1970-1986
(9/30)
The CFCF record is 8 tracks but don't think it's over 30 minutes
(And are comps allowed? Saw Ambient Cookbook was nominated upthread so thought they might be)
― groovypanda, Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:22 (six years ago)
brian eno - the shutov assemblythomas köner - kaamosthomas köner - daikantetsu inoue - world receiversuperficial depth - digital superimposingtom heasley- where the earth meets the skytom heasley - on the sensations of toneenvironments 2 tintinnabulation special low frequency versionjim o'rourke - sleep like it's wintervangelis - invisible connectionsoren ambarchi - suspensiontetsu inoue - yololovesliescrushing - glissceuleevan parker / lawrence casserly - solar wind14/30
― massaman gai (front tea for two), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:27 (six years ago)
Comps are allowed, yeah, as long as they're not box sets or other such sets that compile multiple albums.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:39 (six years ago)
OK I'm going to break the seal:
Autechre - GarbageFennesz - VeniceRichard Skelton - LandingsJulia Kent - Asperities
― Soccer Team's Philosophies and Hypotheses (Leee), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:44 (six years ago)
11/30
― Soccer Team's Philosophies and Hypotheses (Leee), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:50 (six years ago)
A Broken Consort- The Shape LeavesBrian McBride- When the Detail Lost Its FreedomDavid Behrman- On the Other OceanHenry Flynt- You Are My Everlovin/Celestial PowerKammarheit- The StarwheelLoscil- Endless FallsNew Risen Throne- Shadows Over HumanityRobert Turman & Aaron Dilloway- BlizzardSeven Fields of Aphelion- PeripherySunn 0))) & Ulver- Terrestrials
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:51 (six years ago)
Harmonia & Eno – Harmonia & Eno ’76Kevin Drumm – Imperial DistortionEnvironments 6: Dawn And Dusk In The Okefenokee Swamp
― dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:52 (six years ago)
Was wondering when someone was going to nominate "And Their Refinement of the Decline," groovypanda. Glad someone nominated it— it's my favorite of theirs.
Also, you nominated Plume, so I had to go with Endless Falls, which is my second favorite of his records.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:53 (six years ago)
Shit, I forgot!
Windy & Carl- Depths
makes 11/30 for me
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:54 (six years ago)
FM3 - The Buddha Machine
http://www.fm3buddhamachine.com/v2/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/buddha-1-full-set.jpg
― dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:57 (six years ago)
xposts - that's 3 Loscil nominations so far! I had a hard time choosing between Submers and Sea Island
― lispectah deck (unregistered), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:58 (six years ago)
table i nom'd endless falls so you have an extra spot
― lowercase (eric), Thursday, 16 May 2019 21:20 (six years ago)
― lispectah deck (unregistered), Thursday, May 16, 2019 4:13 PM (one hour ago)
I think I'll actually retract Rainbow Mirror. it has too many dissonant moments even though a decent chunk of its runtime is ambient. anyways...
Secede - TryshaslaJustin Walter - Unseen ForcesJon Hassell - Last Night the Moon Came Dropping Its Clothes in the StreetJon Hassell - Listening to Pictures (Pentimento Volume One)Carbon Based Lifeforms - TwentythreeBiosphere - Dropsonde
― lispectah deck (unregistered), Thursday, 16 May 2019 21:25 (six years ago)
Steve Roden - Forms of PaperOren Ambarchi - In the Pendulum's EmbraceIngram Marshall - Three Penitential Visions-Hidden VoicesBiosphere - N-PlantsBiosphere - Shenzhou
(6/30)
― Doctor Nu (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 16 May 2019 21:30 (six years ago)
xpost to eric thought i'd caught all the Loscil, thanks for pointing that out.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Thursday, 16 May 2019 21:35 (six years ago)
Jan Jelinek - TierbeobachtungenCornelius Cardew - The Great Learning (Deutsche Grammophon, 1971)Ekkehard Ehlers - Ekkehard Ehlers PlaysManuel Göttsching - E2-E4
(4/30)
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Thursday, 16 May 2019 21:46 (six years ago)
so excited for this poll!!!!!
― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Thursday, 16 May 2019 21:51 (six years ago)
Pulse Emitter - Planetary Scale Synth HypnosisPulse Emitter - Xenharmonic PassagesChristopher Willits - HorizonLeandro Fresco & Rafael Anton Irisarri - La EquidistanciaSarah Davachi - Qualities of Bodies PermanentJeremy Bible - Music for Black Holes
― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Thursday, 16 May 2019 22:04 (six years ago)
Hash Jar Tempo - Under GlassVapour Theories - Decant500mg - Vertical Approach
14/30
― Soccer Team's Philosophies and Hypotheses (Leee), Thursday, 16 May 2019 22:12 (six years ago)
Vektroid - Polytravellers 10/30that huerco s album is like my album of the decade but figured it had to much flickering and dirty shrapnel to be ambient
― brimstead, Thursday, 16 May 2019 22:44 (six years ago)
1. Aphex Twin: Selected Ambient Works vol. 22. Arp: The Soft Wave3. William Basinski: Disintegration Loops4. Ken Camden: Lethargy & Repercussions5. Ian William Craig: A Turn of Breath6. Greg Davis: Mutually Arising7. Kyle Bobby Dunn: …and the Infinite Sadness8. Kyle Bobby Dunn: Bring the Head of…9. Brian Eno: Apollo10. Fennesz: Endless Summer11. Flying Saucer Attack: s/t12. Manuel Gottsching: E2-E413. Growing: Sky Runs into the Sea14. Growing: s/t15. Porya Hatami: Shallow16. Tim Hecker: Ravedeath, 197217. Daniel Lanois: Goodbye to Language18. Brian McBride: When the Detail’s Lost its Freedom19. Mountains: Choral20. Mountains: Centralia21. Jonas Munk: Absorb/Fabric/Cascade22. Andrew Pekler: Cue23. Hans-Joachim Roedelius: Selbsportrait II24. Richard Skelton: Landings25. Stars of the Lid: The Tired Sounds of…26. Stars of the Lid: …and Their Refinement of the Decline27. Keith Fullerton Whitman: Playthroughs28. Keith Fullerton Whitman: Lisbon29. Windy & Carl: Depths30. Windy & Carl: We Will Always Be
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 16 May 2019 22:51 (six years ago)
Pavilion of Dreams is probably my favorite album ever and I kinda want to nominate it, but it could never be background music in my household. You gotta crank Harold Budd imo
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 16 May 2019 22:51 (six years ago)
xp a whole bunch of those were already nominated
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, 16 May 2019 22:52 (six years ago)
Ohh this is shaping up nicely! Stoked for this, will send in my noms this weekend.
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 16 May 2019 23:11 (six years ago)
I have no idea how I’m going to sort out the top 10 or so. A lot of these albums, already mentioned, are among my all-time faves. Also very excited to wade through some of the lesser known stuff. Tuomas’ nomnoms for the <2 min poll were really great, and I’m pumped to check out his ambient selections
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 16 May 2019 23:45 (six years ago)
First 15:
Alio Die - Aura SeminalisAlio Die - Horas Tibi SerenasBlamstrain - DisfoldClive Wright - Taqsim to AntliaManual - BajamarManual with Jess Kahr - The North ShoreO Yuki Conjugate - EquatorRaison d'Être - Enthralled by the Wind of LonelinessRaison d'Être - In Sadness, Silence, and SolitudeRaison d'Être - Prospectus IRobert Haigh - Creatures of the DeepUlrich Schnauss - GoodbyeWoob - 1194Yagya - RigningYagya - Stars and Dust
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 17 May 2019 00:19 (six years ago)
(make that first 13, Rigning and Disfold already nominated!)
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 17 May 2019 00:20 (six years ago)
nice!
10 more personal favorites, even the beats on the Muslimgauze here are chilled out
Muslimgauze - Veiled SistersJonathan Coleclough - CakeNocturnal Emissions - SpiritfleshDatacide - FlowerheadThe Orb - Adventures Beyond The UltraworldNurse With Wound - Soliloquy For LilithNurse With Wound - Salt Marie CelesteZoviet France - Shouting At The GroundCoil - MegalithomaniaVladislav Delay - Multila
18/30
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Friday, 17 May 2019 00:21 (six years ago)
it could never be background music in my household. You gotta crank Harold Budd imo
budd himself does not like being categorized as ambient
god i love multila. so we are allowing kick drums??
cuz in that case i nom:
154 - Strike
― brimstead, Friday, 17 May 2019 01:19 (six years ago)
how tf is like unambient fennesz, tim hecker etc nommed but not one zoviet france until sleeve's post?????
zoviet france - assault & mirage
(12/30)
― brimstead, Friday, 17 May 2019 01:21 (six years ago)
god i'm such a dick. i'm sorry folks, really this time
should be noted that the second disc of budd's 2005 album Avalon Sutra is a 69 minute remix of As Long As I Can Hold My Breath which is ambient as fuuuuuuuck
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 17 May 2019 01:41 (six years ago)
if you don't fall asleep to that song and dream about death, you're not even alive
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 17 May 2019 01:42 (six years ago)
On the one hand, I think brimstead is right to raise questions about what 'ambient' means with regards to a lot of these albums. On the other hand, a lot of music I really love is being included so it's going to be a great list, whatever we call it.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 17 May 2019 01:54 (six years ago)
Jonny Nash - EdenNovisad - NovisadH. Takahashi - Body tripH. Takahashi - Low powerX.Y.R. - ReflectionsBakground - Saved Data TrilogyNovisad - SeleyaMicrostoria - SNDRob Theakston - I Am Waiting For You To Stop Being Mad At MeDolphins Into The Future - Canto ArquipélagoCraig Kupka – Crystals - New Music For Relaxation 2
(23/30)
― brimstead, Friday, 17 May 2019 01:54 (six years ago)
Robert Fripp and Brian Eno - Evening Star
1/30
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 17 May 2019 01:56 (six years ago)
Steve Hillage - Rainbow Dome Musick
2/30
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 17 May 2019 01:59 (six years ago)
Garlo - Vent de Guitares
3/30
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 17 May 2019 02:02 (six years ago)
Brian Eno - NeroliLocal News - A Simple Dream PassMilieu - A Warm Wooden Hollow
(26/30)
― brimstead, Friday, 17 May 2019 02:13 (six years ago)
thank you tuomas for running this thing!
― brimstead, Friday, 17 May 2019 02:32 (six years ago)
Sarah Louise - Nighttime Birds and Morning StarsHead Phone Over Tone - Solar Sails
5/30
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 17 May 2019 02:44 (six years ago)
Michael Stearns “Planetary Unfolding”David Casper “Crystal Waves”David Behrman “On The Other Ocean”
― vmajestic, Friday, 17 May 2019 02:50 (six years ago)
Michael Stearns - EncounterMarsen Jules - BeautyfearThe Seattle Harmonic Voices - Harmonic Voice
9/30
― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Friday, 17 May 2019 02:57 (six years ago)
sweet noms brimstead, haven't heard a bunch of those, glad that u love Zoviet France as much as I do
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Friday, 17 May 2019 03:01 (six years ago)
Not yet mentioned:
Various Artists - Music for Films Vol. 3Sunn O))) - The Grimmrobe DemosSteven Stapleton & David Tibet - The Sadness of ThingsRobert Rich - Trances/DronesMain - Firmament IVLaurie Anderson - The Ugly One with the JewelsLaraaji - Essence/UniverseJon Hassell & Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible MusicsJon Hassell - FascinomaHarold Budd - The White ArcadesHarold Budd - The RoomHarold Budd - PerhapsDeep Listening Band - The Ready Made BoomerangDavid Lynch & Marek Zebrowski - Polish Night MusicDavid Hykes & the Harmonic Choir - Harmonic MeetingsAlvin Curran - Songs and Views of the Magnetic Garden
Maybe not:
David Lynch & Alan Splet - Eraserhead soundtrack- If you could cut out the scary bits and keep the industrial hiss and distant Fats Waller
Laurie Anderson - United States Live- Too many non-ambient pieces across the four discs to qualify as a whole, but 23 out of the 78 tracks are on my sleepytime/ambient playlist. That voice talking is probably the closest I get to an ASMR trigger.
― Hideous Lump, Friday, 17 May 2019 04:07 (six years ago)
strumming music by Charlemagne Palestine.. ambient? really?
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Friday, 17 May 2019 04:43 (six years ago)
joda clément - i hope you like the universe+minus - a rainy koran verse [UK live]c schulz & hajsch s/t
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Friday, 17 May 2019 04:50 (six years ago)
Hideous Lump, are you nominating those albums under "not yet mentioned"?
― Tuomas, Friday, 17 May 2019 05:25 (six years ago)
ach, wanted to nom mohnomishe & eostre but figured they were too industrial
whatevs, i nom15: _zoviet*france_ mohnomishe16: _zoviet*france_ eostre17: levantis: romantic psychology vol.118: philip jeck: stoke19: anthony manning: islets in pink polypropylene20: arve henriksen: chiaroscuro21: christina kubisch: mono fluido22: deep listening band & the long string instrument - suspended music23: organum: submission
― massaman gai (front tea for two), Friday, 17 May 2019 05:33 (six years ago)
24: jim o'rourke: long nights
― massaman gai (front tea for two), Friday, 17 May 2019 05:34 (six years ago)
is Lanterna's first self-titled album ambient?
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 17 May 2019 05:36 (six years ago)
Karma Moffett - Golden Bowls of CompassionNASA Voyager Space Sounds - Symphonies of the PlanetsDouglas Quin - AntarcticaAndrew Skeoch & Sarah Koschak - Spirit of the OutbackJohn T Bullitt - Night of a Thousand SongsTod Dockstader - Aerial 1Alain Kremski - Music for an Unknown TempleRoland Kayn - TektraThomas Köner - PermafrostSteve Roach - Immersion OneElse Marie Pade - Et Glasperlespil (for Faust Suite, 1962)Stuart Dempster - Underground Overlays from the Cistern ChapelAsmus Tietchens - EisgangJoe Jones - Solar MusicPeter Warren & Matt Samolis - Bowed Metal MusicDavid Tudor - RainforestRoy Montgomery - Temple IVRoger Winfield - Voices of the WindEnvironments 7 - IntonationRostov ChimesRagnar Grippe - SandBrian Eno - Neroli (disc 2 - New Space Music)Francois Bayle - ErosphereVangelis - Tegos TapesThe Iatmul Of Papua Niugini - Music of OceaniaPaul Schutze - Apart (disc 2 - Sleep)Stephen Kent - Family Tree (disc 2 - Deep Space)Don Slepian - Sea of BlissGeoffrey Chandler - StarscapesLuc Ferrari - Éphémère II
― Milton Parker, Friday, 17 May 2019 07:01 (six years ago)
michael t. bullock + andrew lafkas - ceremonies to breathe uponjohn tilbury / keith rowe / kjell bjørgeengen - sisseloren ambarchi / john tilbury - the just reproachjürg frey - l’âme est sans retenue Ihaptic - abeyance
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Friday, 17 May 2019 07:08 (six years ago)
Brian Eno - Neroli (disc 2 - New Space Music)Paul Schutze - Apart (disc 2 - Sleep)Stephen Kent - Family Tree (disc 2 - Deep Space)
If these are multi-disc albums, you can't just nominate one disc, you have to nom the entire album.
― Tuomas, Friday, 17 May 2019 07:14 (six years ago)
Kraftwerk - Autobahn
― paolo, Friday, 17 May 2019 07:16 (six years ago)
I noticed one of my nominations (Novus Magnificat) had already been nommed by Dan Worsley, so I have one more nomination to use:
Meg Bowles - Blue Cosmos
― Tuomas, Friday, 17 May 2019 07:23 (six years ago)
>If these are multi-disc albums
just consider those as shout-outs to how good their second halves are then
― Milton Parker, Friday, 17 May 2019 07:49 (six years ago)
Brian Eno - Music For FilmsSteve Reich - Music For 18 MusiciansGlobal Communication- Pentamerous MetamorphosisTangerine Dream - PhaedraMax Richter - SleepIasos - Inter-Dimensional MusicDaniel Lanois - Purple VistaSystem 7 - Point 3: Water
(17/30)
― groovypanda, Friday, 17 May 2019 07:54 (six years ago)
24: loren chasse - the air in the sand25: takehisa kosugi - catch wave
― massaman gai (front tea for two), Friday, 17 May 2019 07:59 (six years ago)
Might as well nominate Scum at this point.
― pomenitul, Friday, 17 May 2019 08:12 (six years ago)
Eluvium - Lambent MaterialJulianna Barwick - NepentheAutechre - NTS Session 4Global Communication - Remotion: The Global Communication Remix Album
4/30
― The Pingularity (ledge), Friday, 17 May 2019 10:13 (six years ago)
Scum is a stretch obv but I’ll hold off nominating Darkspace or Lustre.
― Siegbran, Friday, 17 May 2019 10:23 (six years ago)
What about Filosofem? Or dungeon synth in general?
― pomenitul, Friday, 17 May 2019 10:25 (six years ago)
Hoedh - HymnvsInade - AldebaranLustmord - The Place Where The Black Stars Hang
― Siegbran, Friday, 17 May 2019 10:29 (six years ago)
Various - I Am the Center: Private Issue New Age Music in AmericaHenry Wolff & Nancy Hennings - Tibetan Bells IV: Bells of Sh'ang Sh'ung
― Dan Worsley, Friday, 17 May 2019 11:51 (six years ago)
Yes I'm nominating those.
― Hideous Lump, Friday, 17 May 2019 12:12 (six years ago)
Labradford - Mi Media NaranjaHallock Hill - The UnionLaurie Spiegel - The Expanding UniverseThe Wind-Up Bird - WhipsLoren Mazzacane Connors - As Roses BowXela - The Dead SeaAlan Lamb - Night PassageWindy & Carl - AntarcticaPiano Magic - Son de Mar
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Friday, 17 May 2019 12:49 (six years ago)
strumming music by Charlemagne Palestine.. ambient? really?Heh, I’m feeling that way about a truckload of these
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 17 May 2019 15:00 (six years ago)
Growing: s/t
PGWP, you nominated this, but neither Discogs nor Wikipedia has any info on Growing having released a self-titled album... Which album did you mean?
― Tuomas, Friday, 17 May 2019 18:30 (six years ago)
Marsen Jules - Lazy Sunday FuneralsMarsen Jules - YaraBiosphere - CirqueMonolake - gobi. the desertSteve Roach - Dreamtime ReturnDonato Dozzy - Plays Bee Mask
― but everybody calls me, (lukas), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:56 (six years ago)
Perhaps the scandal leading up to this poll will allow us to define ambient music once and for all. Musicologists, take note.
― pomenitul, Friday, 17 May 2019 18:58 (six years ago)
I love ambient music, and I love some music included here that is absolutely not ambient music, but I just can't bring myself to argue about it, so i'm just not going to participate in this as long as stuff like this (which I love, btw) is included: https://soundcloud.com/origin-peoples/tommy-awards-side-a-op001
There's nothing about this that is ambient. Also, if Steve Reich is included, then you have to include Bach and Beethoven too. It's either Classical or Modern Classical, but it's not ambient. Anyway, as I said, there is no satisfactory resolution to this argument, and since shit this isn't ambient will be included, I see no point in following or participating. Why not just call it 'Music You Can Chill Out To' or 'Would be decent with a spliff and a comfy sofa'.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 17 May 2019 19:09 (six years ago)
Just rename it it "the ambient/new age/drone/space/bio/furniture/vibes" poll and call it a day
― dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 19:09 (six years ago)
^^^
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 17 May 2019 19:20 (six years ago)
I'd also like to cull some entries, lest it become the arty electronica poll. Will take a stab this weekend.
― but everybody calls me, (lukas), Friday, 17 May 2019 19:21 (six years ago)
You guys are so embarrassed by nerds arguing about genre boundaries that you don't think it's worthwhile to try singling out the best ambient albums?
― but everybody calls me, (lukas), Friday, 17 May 2019 19:23 (six years ago)
I was OK with looking at this as a poll of non-beat-oriented drone-like music with an electronic component and accepting all of it but Steve Reich did raise my hackles a little: although there is definitely a connection between minimalism and ambient, Reich was going for something that would inspire "closely detailed listening", arguably the opposite of "non-intrusive background music". Music for 18 is also very rhythmic and entirely acoustic, if that matters. Still, there IS a connection so.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 17 May 2019 19:24 (six years ago)
There's a connection, but I don't feel at all bad about drawing a line that excludes all Reich. Trust me, he wouldn't want to be in this poll anyway.
― but everybody calls me, (lukas), Friday, 17 May 2019 19:28 (six years ago)
Giusto Pio-Motore ImmobileAndrew Chalk-Baroque ScreensAndrew Chal-The Cable HouseVikki Jackman-Whispering PagesJan Jelinek/Masayoshi Fujita-Bird Lake ObjectsMichael Brook-HybridArp-InversionsInoyama Land-Danzindan PojidonDean McPhee-Four StonesGas-ZauberbergIan Middleton-Well of SorrowsJonathan Fitoussi-Imaginary LinesRobert Turman-Beyond Painting
13/30, with apologies for genre boundaries/definitions etc.
― nerve_pylon, Friday, 17 May 2019 19:50 (six years ago)
The Seven Fields of Aphelion - Keep the Ocean Inside4/30
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 17 May 2019 19:57 (six years ago)
THE POLL THAT STEVE REICH DOESN'T WANT YOU TO VOTE IN.
― Soccer Team's Philosophies and Hypotheses (Leee), Friday, 17 May 2019 20:01 (six years ago)
NUMBER FIVE WILL SHOCK YOU!
― Tuomas, Friday, May 17, 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Sorry, it's The Soul of the Rainbow and the Harmony of Light. For some reason Spotify lists it as s/t though I knew that was incorrect!
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 17 May 2019 20:04 (six years ago)
Ok, thanks!
― Tuomas, Friday, 17 May 2019 20:32 (six years ago)
Steve Reich - Music For 18 Musicians
Groovypanda, you nominated this, but there are several different recordings of this composition. Which one do you want to nominate?
― Tuomas, Friday, 17 May 2019 20:34 (six years ago)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1X14B7JHAooNtfPbNilJ1xPshNaKBbL6q-8E1xUdM7xU
Here's a link to the nominations so far, lemme know if something's missing. (I've corrected some of the artist and album names, so your nomination might be elsewhere alphabetically.)
― Tuomas, Friday, 17 May 2019 21:15 (six years ago)
As for the debate on what's ambient, I have no way of making that judgement, so I'm not gonna disqualify anything... And the nomination process in polls like this is always a bit messy, but I do agree that this is not a poll for just any kind of minimal music, or music to smoke weed to, or experimental/artsy electronic music in general. So hopefully when it comes the time to vote you do stop to consider that ambient is narrower than those definitions, even if it's not easily defined by conventional genre boundaries.
― Tuomas, Friday, 17 May 2019 21:28 (six years ago)
SunnO))) - Flight of the Behemoth
― dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 21:39 (six years ago)
I mean, I loathe to use Pitchfork as a measuring stick, but their list, which includes a KFW intro and blurb by a bunch ppl who are over the age of 35 (Beta/Sherburne/Richardson/Masters/Reynolds) has a very open attitude towards what is considered "ambient"
https://pitchfork.com/features/lists-and-guides/9948-the-50-best-ambient-albums-of-all-time/
― dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 21:48 (six years ago)
fantastic work tuomas
personally prefer a wide definition myself
― Milton Parker, Friday, 17 May 2019 21:52 (six years ago)
I mean, everyone can vote for THE ARTIST CLEARLY INTENDED THIS MODULAR SYNTH RECORD AS MUSIQUE D'AMEUBLEMENT PER THE DICTATES OF SATIE but that's not as fun imo
― dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 21:57 (six years ago)
Also, I'm probably very close to my full noms but here's some big dogs that we've overlooked in case someone else wants to nominate them
Mort Garson - PlantasiaPhilip Corner - Satie SlowlyRaymond Scott - Soothing Sounds for Babies Vol. 1Raymond Scott - Soothing Sounds for Babies Vol. 2
― dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 22:02 (six years ago)
Colleen - Les Ondes Silencieuses
15/30
― Soccer Team's Philosophies and Hypotheses (Leee), Friday, 17 May 2019 22:03 (six years ago)
Fripp and Eno - No Pussyfooting Sakamoto and Alva Noto - Vrioon
― 29 facepalms, Friday, 17 May 2019 22:18 (six years ago)
Vangelis, "L'Apocalypse des animaux"
― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Friday, 17 May 2019 22:22 (six years ago)
Steve Roach - The Magnificent VoidSteve Roach - Quiet Music
― Brad C., Friday, 17 May 2019 22:25 (six years ago)
Robert Rich - Calling Down the SkyRobert Rich - Humidity
― Brad C., Friday, 17 May 2019 22:30 (six years ago)
The Necks - MosquitoJohan Johansson - Fordlandia
― 29 facepalms, Friday, 17 May 2019 22:30 (six years ago)
Looks like I get five more
Raymond Scott - Soothing Sounds for Babies Vol. 1Bohren and Der Club of Gore - Black Earth
― dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 22:36 (six years ago)
that pitchfork list is kinda dumb, we talked about it at the time. like tim hecker, fennesz, pretty laptop noise... lol
― brimstead, Friday, 17 May 2019 22:37 (six years ago)
Sorry
― brimstead, Friday, 17 May 2019 22:38 (six years ago)
After 5-6 weeks of listing to Bacharach songs this will be a nice tonic.
― WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 22:49 (six years ago)
but that's not as fun imo
Part of the fun for me here is trying to figure out why some records feel ambient to me and some don't. Replica? Returnal? Persian Surgery Dervishes? Some of my favorite records, but they scratch a different itch.
But say Rifts isn't my definition of ambient either but fine, it's definitely part of the same fantasy musical universe as Structures From Silence.
So it is written, so shall it be done.
― but everybody calls me, (lukas), Friday, 17 May 2019 22:50 (six years ago)
Eno Moebius Rodelius - After the Heat
― 29 facepalms, Friday, 17 May 2019 22:54 (six years ago)
Oöphoi – Static Soundscapes: Three Lights At the End of the WorldAntrilon – Mind EraseMWVM – RotationsLull – Like A Slow RiverHazard – WoodDeep Magic / Pine Smoke Lodge – Split
― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Saturday, 18 May 2019 04:00 (six years ago)
Les Halles – Transient
― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Saturday, 18 May 2019 04:03 (six years ago)
^^^ good one
― brimstead, Saturday, 18 May 2019 04:44 (six years ago)
I think ambient-ness for me has something to do with difficulty of perceiving movement, lack of drama, also just a general diffusiveness and um.... driftiness... a sense of distance/absence/“not there”-ness, indirect, sonic blanketsFennesz/Tim hecker include plenty of actual bursts of noise. and bald faced emotion. I like em bothSteve Reich/tony Conrad/Niblock stuff is so intense and lysergic it just doesn’t float or sit enoughI also hate sentimental gooey “ambient” that sounds like it could soundtrack a serious moment in a stupid movie/tv show. The ambient equiv of like Explosions In the Sky.Ok end rant, only posi non-annoying brimstead from now on promise
― brimstead, Saturday, 18 May 2019 04:57 (six years ago)
Norman Westberg – 13Mark Wastell – Come Crimson Rays
― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Saturday, 18 May 2019 05:26 (six years ago)
Irresistible Force - Dreamfish
This should be: Dreamfish - Dreamfish, and is Mixmaster Morris + Pete Namlook
― beard papa, Saturday, 18 May 2019 06:06 (six years ago)
I also hate sentimental gooey “ambient” that sounds like it could soundtrack a serious moment in a stupid movie/tv show.
pleasantly surprised to see no bvdub yet
― groovemaaan, Saturday, 18 May 2019 06:14 (six years ago)
beard papa at 9:06 18 May 19Irresistible Force - DreamfishThis should be: Dreamfish - Dreamfish, and is Mixmaster Morris + Pete Namlook
― Tuomas, Saturday, 18 May 2019 06:35 (six years ago)
I've updated the nomination list, the link above still works, but here it is again:
― Tuomas, Saturday, 18 May 2019 08:15 (six years ago)
Alain Presencer - The Singing Bowls of Tibet
― dogs, Saturday, 18 May 2019 11:16 (six years ago)
I haven’t missed a playlist for the nominations, have I?
― I am using your worlds, Saturday, 18 May 2019 11:22 (six years ago)
gas - narkopop
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Saturday, 18 May 2019 11:34 (six years ago)
ta for correcting the dreamfish mistake folks.
― mark e, Saturday, 18 May 2019 11:55 (six years ago)
I haven’t missed a playlist for the nominations, have I?If you start listening now you should get about halfway through by the time voting closes.
― groovypanda, Saturday, 18 May 2019 12:56 (six years ago)
Tuomas at 9:34 17 May 19Steve Reich - Music For 18 MusiciansGroovypanda, you nominated this, but there are several different recordings of this composition. Which one do you want to nominate?Not sure. The original 1978 release I guess. Not bothered if it's left out if people don't think it's ambient as I possibly wouldn't vote for it anyway.
― groovypanda, Saturday, 18 May 2019 12:59 (six years ago)
If you start listening now you should get about halfway through by the time voting closes.
I plan on sampling as many singles as possible.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 18 May 2019 13:04 (six years ago)
― Tuomas, Saturday, 18 May 2019 14:10 (six years ago)
E2-E4 (Radio Edit) xp
― groovypanda, Saturday, 18 May 2019 14:31 (six years ago)
Sunn O))) - Monoliths & DimensionsSpacemen 3 - Dreamweapon: An Evening of Contemporary Sitar MusicGigi Masin - WindGigi Masin - Talk to the SeaEarth - Hex; or Printing in the Infernal MethodGrouper - Dragging A Dead Deer Up A HillGrouper - RuinsOneohtrix Point Never - ReplicaThe Caretaker - An Empty Bliss Beyond This WorldUlver - Messe I.X–VI.XTim Hecker - VirginsRyuichi Sakamoto - asyncStephan Mathieu - A Static PlaceThe Seven Fields of Aphelion - Periphery
― gman59, Saturday, 18 May 2019 14:37 (six years ago)
14/30^
― gman59, Saturday, 18 May 2019 14:39 (six years ago)
good call on Dreamweapon!
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Saturday, 18 May 2019 16:06 (six years ago)
Deathprod - Morals and Dogma
― dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 May 2019 16:42 (six years ago)
btw whiney sunroof! is cancelled now dontcha know
― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Saturday, 18 May 2019 17:24 (six years ago)
Slowdive - PygmalionJute Gyte - Penetralia
― gman59, Saturday, 18 May 2019 19:21 (six years ago)
ooh yes Deathprod
― Siegbran, Saturday, 18 May 2019 19:43 (six years ago)
Stars of the Lid - Gravitational Pull vs The Desire For an Aquatic LifeTerre Thaemlitz - SoilWolfgang Voigt - Rückverzauberung 10 / Nationalpark
― but everybody calls me, (lukas), Saturday, 18 May 2019 23:37 (six years ago)
Shuttle358 - ChessaVladislav Delay - AnimaRod Modell - Incense and BlacklightVladislav Delay - AnimaFuture Sound of London - LifeformsAidan Baker - The Sea Swells a Bit
― beard papa, Sunday, 19 May 2019 00:58 (six years ago)
Desiderii Marginis - That Which Is Tragic and TimelessDesiderii Marginis - HypnosisForrest Fang - GonglandForrest Fang - The Sleepwalker's OceanHarold Budd/Clive Wright - A Song for Lost BlossomsHarold Budd/Clive Wright - Little WindowsLucid Dreams/Celia Green - 0096Lustmord - Dark Matterv/a (Projekt Records) - The Promises of Silence
22/30
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 19 May 2019 03:45 (six years ago)
I love “Body sonic” off of incense and black light, really great mellow refractory dubby ambient techno. Rest of the album is nice too.
― brimstead, Sunday, 19 May 2019 05:58 (six years ago)
Great title too
― but everybody calls me, (lukas), Sunday, 19 May 2019 06:51 (six years ago)
I started listening to these plus a playlist of the Pitchfork thing. Ended up with the beginnings of a nominations list:
https://open.spotify.com/user/empeecee/playlist/4fPPFJHHNihMjlO9GVEs6F?si=hVKygUYXRJSuCafBZrfzlQ
Far from complete and still a bit of a mess. I'll resume tidying it up later. Certainly feel free to fiddle with it.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 19 May 2019 08:19 (six years ago)
Are we, uh, definitely limited to 30? Only, all this lovely ambient techno is making me think the first Rhythm and Sound album really needs to be involved. And Loop-Finding-Jazz-Records. And the 'Plays' collection by Ekkehard Ehlers.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Sunday, 19 May 2019 09:35 (six years ago)
colleen - the golden morning breaksvirginia astley - from gardens where we feel securewilliam basinski - melancholiaemeralds - what happenedemeralds - allegory of allergiesrobert aa lowe / rose lazaar - eclipseshelios - eingyagrouper - the man who died in his boat
― meaulnes, Sunday, 19 May 2019 11:58 (six years ago)
Hmm, I'm still not gonna disqualify anything, but just because some people have nominated dub techno shouldn't be an excuse to nom more dub techno. Most dub techno isn't ambient. If by the first Rhythm & Sound album you mean the one with Tikiman, it's a great record, but IMO it's not ambient by any measure. There are exceptions of course, for example I would say something like Liumin by DeepChord is both dub techno and ambient, but in general I would give a good consideration before nominating anything with a steady 4/4 kick beat. And yeah, I know have Empire State Building on my list which also has a 4/4 beat throughout, so I'm not trying to say all techno or IDM or whatever doesn't fit here, I'm just hoping people understand that that not all "home listening electronic music" is ambient.(xpost)
― Tuomas, Sunday, 19 May 2019 12:10 (six years ago)
It's just a matter of time before someone noms Boards of Canada.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 19 May 2019 14:18 (six years ago)
I think ambient-ness for me has something to do with difficulty of perceiving movement, lack of drama, also just a general diffusiveness and um.... driftiness... a sense of distance/absence/“not there”-ness, indirect, sonic blanketsFennesz/Tim hecker include plenty of actual bursts of noise. and bald faced emotion. I like em bothSteve Reich/tony Conrad/Niblock stuff is so intense and lysergic it just doesn’t float or sit enoughI also hate sentimental gooey “ambient” that sounds like it could soundtrack a serious moment in a stupid movie/tv show. The ambient equiv of like Explosions In the Sky.
Fennesz/Tim hecker include plenty of actual bursts of noise. and bald faced emotion. I like em both
Steve Reich/tony Conrad/Niblock stuff is so intense and lysergic it just doesn’t float or sit enough
I also hate sentimental gooey “ambient” that sounds like it could soundtrack a serious moment in a stupid movie/tv show. The ambient equiv of like Explosions In the Sky.
This mostly sounds right to me.
Last time I tried one of CBC Music's 'ambient' stations, it was p much all chill/loungey beats.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 May 2019 14:28 (six years ago)
xp
just waiting for the moment that it'll cause maximum annoyance
― specific goats my way (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 19 May 2019 14:36 (six years ago)
Grouper isn't ambient either
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 19 May 2019 14:43 (six years ago)
Tim Hecker is very clearly a maker of ambient music as far as I'm concerned, despite the bursts of static and his more compositionally-oriented approach. Stars of the Lid also make use of climaxes and no one's disputing their inclusion in this poll. I'm on the fence when it comes to Fennesz, however, although his latest LP scans as ambient to these ears. And there's no question that Reich shouldn't even be considered. Or why not also nominate Morton Feldman, while we're at it? Or pieces from Ligeti's cloud period? Or Chopin's Nocturnes? etc.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 19 May 2019 14:51 (six years ago)
― brimstead, Saturday, May 18, 2019 12:57 AM (eleven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Like Stars of the Lid?
― Evan, Sunday, 19 May 2019 14:53 (six years ago)
The moment the ambient nominations thread turned violent
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Sunday, 19 May 2019 14:56 (six years ago)
(Now is the time to nominate boards of Canada, btw)
Now, now. Their albums pre-Tired Sounds are less obviously guilty of such charges. (I like them all.)
2xp
― pomenitul, Sunday, 19 May 2019 14:56 (six years ago)
Yeah, no, the minimalist composers seemed more 'wrong' to me than Tim Hecker/Fennesz; it was more that I liked brimstead's explanation of how ambient music works when it comes to drawing lines.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 May 2019 14:58 (six years ago)
xps
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 May 2019 14:59 (six years ago)
Black Sea does sound like ambient music to me.
Definitely. I suppose Endless Summer is the one I'm most reluctant to call ambient.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 19 May 2019 15:01 (six years ago)
H. Takahashi - Low PowerDeepChord - Immersions Haruomi Hosono - Watering A FlowerM. Geddes Gengras - Hawaiki TapesSuso Saiz - Rainworks
― Evan, Sunday, 19 May 2019 15:04 (six years ago)
Thing about Stars of the Lid soundtracking a movie... if it's an imax documentary about the mysteries of universe vs. if it's in a scene in a drama about a seemingly "happy" family- well you're going to get entirely different emotional results with the same exact piece of music.
― Evan, Sunday, 19 May 2019 15:17 (six years ago)
Fennesz - Black Sea6/30
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 May 2019 15:23 (six years ago)
(Agree that Endless Summer is more debatable. Feldman actually seems more 'ambient' to me than the minimalists, not that I'd nominate him.)
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 May 2019 15:24 (six years ago)
Oh sorry 5/30 for my list above
― Evan, Sunday, 19 May 2019 15:25 (six years ago)
Agreed about Feldman, especially, say, The Viola in My Life.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 19 May 2019 15:29 (six years ago)
― Tuomas, Sunday, 19 May 2019 15:32 (six years ago)
Bill Laswell & Terre Thaemlitz — Web (misattributed on spotify to Laswell & Tetsuo Inoue, but it's Thaemlitz)
― WmC, Sunday, 19 May 2019 15:55 (six years ago)
The Rhythm and Sound first album call was based on a track from the Incense and Black Light record which sounded awfully like R&S - particularly the vast spaces of the first album (the compilation of the first EPs). I'm very much of the opinion it's not ambient either but if we're going down that route I'd hate to see it miss out! Anyway, still happy to go with consensus.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Sunday, 19 May 2019 16:07 (six years ago)
"Low Power" had already been nominated, so you're at 4/30.
― Tuomas, Sunday, 19 May 2019 16:20 (six years ago)
colleen - the golden morning breaksvirginia astley - from gardens where we feel securewilliam basinski - melancholiaemeralds - what happenedemeralds - allegory of allergiesrobert aa lowe / rose lazaar - eclipseshelios - eingyagrouper - the man who died in his boat― meaulnes, Sunday, May 19, 2019 2:58
― meaulnes, Sunday, May 19, 2019 2:58
The Colleen album has already been nominated, so you've used 7/30 of your noms.
― Tuomas, Sunday, 19 May 2019 16:22 (six years ago)
The Rhythm and Sound first album call was based on a track from the Incense and Black Light record which sounded awfully like R&S - particularly the vast spaces of the first album (the compilation of the first EPs).
Yeah, for better or worse DeepChord has made a career on imitating Ernestus and Oswald as well as Wolfgang Voigt... That's not necessarily a criticism though, some of the material he's released sounds incredible, no matter how deritative it is.
And sorry if I sounded needlessly critical above, I really do love that first Rhythm & Sound comp, it's what got me into dub techno to begin with back in 1998... But half of that album is dude singing reggae over dub beats, and like you said, that's not really ambient.
― Tuomas, Sunday, 19 May 2019 16:28 (six years ago)
Gentlemen, you can't fight here, this is the chill-out room!
Tempted to write a screenplay just so I can get this line in.
― Dan Worsley, Sunday, 19 May 2019 16:40 (six years ago)
Yeah I don’t like stars of the lid
― brimstead, Sunday, 19 May 2019 17:37 (six years ago)
Natural Snow Buildings, ambient or not?
― Siegbran, Sunday, 19 May 2019 17:38 (six years ago)
is jeff mills ambient?
― the late great, Sunday, 19 May 2019 17:41 (six years ago)
― Tuomas, Sunday, May 19, 2019 12:20 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Funny, I probably forgot to check this one because among my picks I was convinced it was the least likely to have already been nominated!
― Evan, Sunday, 19 May 2019 17:54 (six years ago)
Jonny Nash & Suzanne Kraft - Passive Aggressive
There! 5/30
― Evan, Sunday, 19 May 2019 17:55 (six years ago)
Oh wait...
Kara-Lis Coverdale - A480Kara-Lis Coverdale - GraftsKate NV - для FOR
― Evan, Sunday, 19 May 2019 17:58 (six years ago)
The more I’m trawling my library for nominations, the harder it gets to draw a clear line between ambient and minimalist/classical (Arvo Part? Terry Riley? La Monte Young?), IDM (BoC, Autechre, FSOL), metal (Filosofem, Sunn((O)), Lustre, Boris, Darkspace), minimal/dub techno (Deepchord, Jeff Mills), 90s ambient house/trance (The Orb, Sequencial, Solar Quest), downtempo/psybient (Shpongle, Entheogenic)...even though I’m more of the ‘big tent’ school I end up chucking out all the borderline cases since there’s so much worthy stuff to nominate that is unambiguously ambient.
― Siegbran, Sunday, 19 May 2019 18:30 (six years ago)
I'm more inclined to follow this poll than participate because I've got quite a catholic approach to what ambient is and I want to see what the headz are into but:
Pete Namlook - Air-You
― or something, Sunday, 19 May 2019 19:21 (six years ago)
I suppose it’s a comp so delete if necessary but:David Bowie - All Saints
― 29 facepalms, Sunday, 19 May 2019 19:54 (six years ago)
i'm still early on in david toop's Ocean of Sound, but i'm really enjoying it. some words from him and also from biosphere and the orb:
“much of the music i discuss could be characterized as drifting or simply existing in stasis rather than developing in any dramatic fashion. structure emerges slowly, minimally or apparently not at all, encouraging states of reverie and receptivity in the listener that suggest (on the good side of boredom) a very positive rootlessness.”
“ambient music os more a way of listening, an umbrella term for attitude, rather than a single-identifiable style.”
“before Geir [Jennsen, Biosphere] goes on stage to press the first button, he wants to lay one more ambient cliché to rest: ‘i hate it if people use my music as a background. when i was listening to jon hassell and brian eno, i was inspired to know more about the himalayas or astronomy, egypt and archaeology. i want people to get inspired to read astronomy or get another view of the universe. to be curious.”
Alex Patterson of the Orb: “…i spent four or five hours playing really early dub reggae. you don’t have to dance to it, you just nod your head to it. it’s still ambient to me. some of the effects on those records - a four track, in a huge in Orange Street, Kingston, and they’d make sounds like that. it puts us to shame when you think of how much we’ve got to play with.”
also, on a completely unrelated note, this amazing passage:
“in the early 1930s, a man named geoffrey christian witnessed a demonstration of an instrument used on the upper purari river, papua new guinea, during full-moon dances. for the ten to sixteen days of this ceremony, the men ate very little but drank huge amounts of water through long bamboo pipes. five or six of them would then sit in a circle and balance large, polished hardwood disks on their toes or knees. ‘each man lifts his diaphragm’, wrote christian, ‘and the edge of the disk is thrust deeply into the pit of the stomach; all then depress their diaphragms on to the upper surface of the circumference of the disk and open their mouths. an old man then takes a stone-headed hammer and gently hits the centre of the disk. the sound appears to reverberate from the distended lungs, and issues forth from the mouths of the seated men; the effect is a deep booming sound, similar to the sound of the big skin-headed drums of other parts.’
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Sunday, 19 May 2019 20:14 (six years ago)
ambient music is more a way of listening, an umbrella term for attitude, rather than a single-identifiable style.
this is essentially how i think about and use the A-word too
― specific goats my way (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 19 May 2019 20:21 (six years ago)
I feel bad for starting the dub techno debate - especially when I nominated the Rod Modell album by mistake! I meant to nominate Rod Modell and Michael Mantra’s Sonic Continuum. I got the album titles switched. I’m glad if my error turned some onto that great album, though. I’m fine with striking that one and replacing it with Sonic Continuum.
― beard papa, Sunday, 19 May 2019 20:26 (six years ago)
another passage that would argue for the expansive definition:
'various forms of this music have been called, with varying levels of appropriateness, ambient, environmental, deep listening, ambient techno, ambient dub, electronica, electronic listening music, isolationist, post-industrial ambient, space music, beautiful music, sound art, sound design, electronic music without beats, brainwave music, picture music, ambient jungle, steady state music, holy minimalism, Fourth World, New Age, chill out, or the useless one to cap them all, new music. but no genre category adds up to much more than media shorthand or a marketing ploy. open music might be a more useful catch-all name for what i am talking about, except for the fact that a proportion of this music, sometimes a high proportion, is vacuum sealed, zipped up in a droning Om-zone of discarnate reverie resistant to intervention and crackling quietly at the back of the freezer.'
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Sunday, 19 May 2019 20:27 (six years ago)
isn’t that book great?
― brimstead, Sunday, 19 May 2019 21:48 (six years ago)
I end up chucking out all the borderline cases since there’s so much worthy stuff to nominate that is unambiguously ambient.
― brimstead, Sunday, 19 May 2019 21:51 (six years ago)
Here’s a recent goodreads review I wrote for ocean of sound: I first read Ocean Of Sound in high school, and found it to be a dizzying and overwhelmingly intoxicating read. As the years went by and my sense of aesthetics developed, I would revisit passages and find myself becoming more and more in tune with its vision of music. Nowadays it's practically my bible. On my fourth or fifth front-to-back read now, I find myself emphatically thinking "Yes! Hell yes!" to the ideas of the musicians that Toop interviews/describes (as well as the ideas of Toop himself). This is a magical and inspiring work about various strands of non-programmatic 20th century music; music that drifts, music that explores, music that allows things to happen. It's sad that most "ambient" music these days is cheap programmed melodramatic soundtrack fodder. Yeah this book was written 20 years ago but the vast ocean (heh) of ideas and thoughtfood here will inspire any artist who is truly interested in transcendence.
― brimstead, Sunday, 19 May 2019 21:53 (six years ago)
sorry
― brimstead, Sunday, 19 May 2019 21:54 (six years ago)
Spotify playlist is mostly up to date, and hilariously long. I'll paste things I can't find on Spotify here, in case anyone knows better/has the benefit of local licencing/wants to do something else with them:
https://pastebin.com/kinHYBWn
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 20 May 2019 00:30 (six years ago)
anybody know how to open that spotify link in app instead of in the browser?
― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Monday, 20 May 2019 00:43 (six years ago)
if you search for Nag! Nag! Nag!'s username (empeecee), you should be able to find it in his public playlists
― lispectah deck (unregistered), Monday, 20 May 2019 00:55 (six years ago)
and yeah, huge props to NNN for putting all that together
― lispectah deck (unregistered), Monday, 20 May 2019 00:56 (six years ago)
Does the app like this better?spotify:user:empeecee:playlist:4fPPFJHHNihMjlO9GVEs6F
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 20 May 2019 00:57 (six years ago)
nice! that did work, thanks! I did try searching by username before but didn't have any luck.
― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Monday, 20 May 2019 01:20 (six years ago)
Alio Die & Mathias Grassow - Expanding HorizonASC - Nothing Is CertainAtrium Carceri - Ptahilbvdub - Return To TongluCarbon Based Lifeforms - World Of SleepersCircular - DivergentDeutsch Nepal - Tolerance (How the Servant Utilized His Masters)Entheogenic - Spontaneous IlluminationHerbst9 - Buried Under Time And SandIldjarn-Nidhogg - HardangerviddaIshq - OrchidKlaus Wiese, Ted de Jong & Mathias Grassow - el-Hadra: The Mystik DanceKreng - GrimoireNatural Snow Buildings - The Dance Of The Moon And The SunNorthaunt - Barren LandOöphoi & Tau Ceti - Celestial GeometriesOrganum - Birds' Wings Were Glued To Their Bodies And Their Feet Froze To The GroundOval - 94 DiskontRapoon - The Fires Of The BorderlandsSchiller - AtemlosShinjuku Thief - The Witch HavenSuspended Memories - Forgotten GodsSvartsinn - Elegies For The EndTroum & All Sides - ShutûnWhen - Svartedauen (The Black Death)V/A - ...And Even Wolves Hid Their Teeth And Tongue Wherever Shelter Was Given V/A - Ambient 4: Isolationism30/30
― Siegbran, Monday, 20 May 2019 08:01 (six years ago)
Much as I like the 'big tent' definition and I appreciate that 'open music' can be created in many many forms, indeed music that drifts and feels organic & all that but I can't really bring myself to vote for Lee Scratch Perry or Kruder & Dorfmeister or Autechre or Penderecki or endlessly droning black metal records, in a poll like this even though you can credibly argue they're all ambient in one way or another.
― Siegbran, Monday, 20 May 2019 08:13 (six years ago)
Arthur Russell - World of Echo
(2/30)
― paolo, Monday, 20 May 2019 08:56 (six years ago)
Fabio Orsi - WinterreiseEzekiel Honig - Surfaces of a Broken Marching BandPan American - White Bird ReleaseFormer Selves - Selige SehnsuchtJack Jutson - Mother OfficialSarah Davachi - August HarpSarah Davachi - Baron CourtASC - Fervent DreamSecret Pyramid - Movements of NightWil Bolton - Quarry Park
― groovemaaan, Monday, 20 May 2019 09:56 (six years ago)
ASC is going to suffer massively from vote splitting is he?
― Siegbran, Monday, 20 May 2019 13:52 (six years ago)
I thought abt nominating that Organum record Siegbran, thanks. I think it qualifies here, some of their stuff is just too noisy but that one's massive and droney.
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Monday, 20 May 2019 14:02 (six years ago)
Yes that’s a corker.
I’m now revisiting the When record, that might be a bit too noisy to warrant inclusion, these collage-type records certainly set a mood but ‘ambient’ doesn’t really fit the bill.
― Siegbran, Monday, 20 May 2019 14:46 (six years ago)
oooh, I forgot about Shinjuku Thief, nice
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 20 May 2019 14:47 (six years ago)
Natural Snow Buildings - The Dance Of The Moon And The Sun
Is this included in Daughters of Darkness?
― Tormund Giantsbabe (Leee), Monday, 20 May 2019 16:29 (six years ago)
Daughter Of Darkness is a completely different album no?
― Siegbran, Monday, 20 May 2019 17:01 (six years ago)
I was thinking the box set, which on review of the rules would not qualify.
― Tormund Giantsbabe (Leee), Monday, 20 May 2019 17:40 (six years ago)
The Dance of the Moon and the Sun is glorious.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Monday, 20 May 2019 18:38 (six years ago)
Can't believe I forgot to mention Rothko Chapel. I would actually be ok with that nom.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 10:55 (six years ago)
Area C: Touch PiecesBarry Cleveland: MythosChristian Høy Knudsen: HavForest Management: DelicateKlaus Weise: Qumra IIKowalski Room: Modern Urban StarlightLightwave: Musique ProvisoireMichel Redolfi: Desert TracksMurmer: What Are The Roots That ClutchRobert Henke: Layering BuddhaStijn Hüwels: TomodachiSubterrene: Bathetic ResonanceTatsuya Nakatani: GongThe Young Gods: Music for Artificial CloudsThumpmonks: Noir SelectionsTor Lundvall: Empty CityWarmth: EssayZimoun: Drums
― Sassy Boutonnière (ledriver), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 01:57 (six years ago)
Area C: Touch Pieces
Ledriver, this appears to be a 20 minute extra disc that came with the album "Charmed Birds Against Sorcery", not an album in its own right. Do you wish to nominate the whole 2 disc album?
Kara-Lis Coverdale - Grafts
Evan, this is an EP and it lasts only 22 minutes, so it doesn't meet the poll criteria. So you still have 23 nominations left.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:28 (six years ago)
I didn't even know it was an extra disc. I don't have the original. I withdraw that and will submit more if I think of some.
― Sassy Boutonnière (ledriver), Friday, 24 May 2019 00:25 (six years ago)
Oh darn! 30 min or more, right. Got it.
― Evan, Friday, 24 May 2019 03:05 (six years ago)
The nomination list should be up to date now, lemme know if anything is missing. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1X14B7JHAooNtfPbNilJ1xPshNaKBbL6q-8E1xUdM7xU
― Tuomas, Friday, 24 May 2019 05:23 (six years ago)
Now I have my work cut out for me to find and listen to every one of these 500 albums and come to a fair and unbiased judgement of its relative rank.
― Sassy Boutonnière (ledriver), Friday, 24 May 2019 07:39 (six years ago)
Boards of Canada - Music Has The Right To ChildrenBoards of Canada - GeogaddiBoards of Canada - The Campfire HeadphaseBoards of Canada - Tomorrow's HarvestBrian Eno - Another Green WorldArthur Russell - InstrumentalsJon Keliehor - The Beginning Of TimePendant - Make Me Know You SweetVarious Artists - Mono No AwareVarious Artists - bblissHappy Meals - Full Ashram Devotional Ceremony (Volumes IV - VI)Cucina Povera - HiljaCucina Povera - ZoomIona Fortune - Tao Of IPenelope Trappes - Penelope OneColleen - Captain Of NoneColleen - A Flame My Love, A FrequencyXYR - El DoradoHuerco S - UntitledPontiac Streator and Ulla Strauss - Chat
23/30
― paolo, Friday, 24 May 2019 09:15 (six years ago)
Boards Of Canada ambient or IDM/Downtempo? I was also listening to that Hammock Kenotic record and while it's great, that's mostly a straight up shoegaze/postrock record with lots of uptempo beats.
― Siegbran, Friday, 24 May 2019 10:12 (six years ago)
BoC have too many boring beats to be ambient.
― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Friday, 24 May 2019 11:20 (six years ago)
"Boring" and "ambient" in the same sentence?! I never! *clutches pearls*
However I do agree that BOC don't really strike me as ambient.
However however I am tickled that we've basically got Colleen's whole discography now (only missing her Mort Aux Vaches).
― Tormund Giantsbabe (Leee), Friday, 24 May 2019 16:16 (six years ago)
Love Colleen but there’s not a single record of her that I’d consider ambient. Perhaps only Colleen et les Boîtes à Musique?
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 24 May 2019 16:45 (six years ago)
List of nominations looks great. Extremely stoked.warpairobotsippingdaiquirionpoolfloatie.jpeg
― but everybody calls me, (lukas), Friday, 24 May 2019 16:48 (six years ago)
Do we have a campaigning thread?
― Siegbran, Friday, 24 May 2019 16:50 (six years ago)
I'm sad that David Sylvian's Gone to Earth sides 3/4 can't go in because of sides 1/2.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 24 May 2019 16:51 (six years ago)
I hate to my nominations so Brian Eno-centric because, duh, but we have to make sure this one is on there:
Brian Eno - Lux
very underrated album in his catalog imo
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Friday, 24 May 2019 18:27 (six years ago)
^^ was just listening to that the other day, quite nice
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Friday, 24 May 2019 18:29 (six years ago)
sadly i'm sure Another Green World will absolutely destroy it in voting, since AGW was nominated. i (of course) adore AGW but it would be difficult to classify as "ambient" under even the most generous interpretation, yadayadayada
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Friday, 24 May 2019 18:35 (six years ago)
Yeah, great album thought it is, can't see how that one fits. Almost half the tracks have vocals on them.
― groovypanda, Friday, 24 May 2019 19:25 (six years ago)
Yeah, It's all songs!
― but everybody calls me, (lukas), Friday, 24 May 2019 20:02 (six years ago)
Détrée - Architectura Celestis
― Evan, Friday, 24 May 2019 20:26 (six years ago)
I will be voting for a fair amount of Eno, but not AGW
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Friday, 24 May 2019 20:51 (six years ago)
‘discreet music’ the only truly ambient piece for me
― flopson, Friday, 24 May 2019 21:03 (six years ago)
I kinda feel that beatless should be part of the criteria of ambient.
― Sassy Boutonnière (ledriver), Friday, 24 May 2019 21:13 (six years ago)
ambient music isn’t the same as chillout music or whatever
― brimstead, Friday, 24 May 2019 21:19 (six years ago)
If AGW is ambient I'm out.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Friday, 24 May 2019 21:45 (six years ago)
The voters are revolting.
― Tormund Giantsbabe (Leee), Friday, 24 May 2019 23:29 (six years ago)
*the undulating sounds of pickets waving gently in the air, slowly mixing in with the crackles of torches*
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Friday, 24 May 2019 23:41 (six years ago)
hard to see how E2-E4, Dragging a Dead Deer Up a Hill or Scenes from the South Island can be OK if AGW is out... fantastic records all, but ambient?
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 24 May 2019 23:53 (six years ago)
Just because it’s soft doesn’t mean it’s smooth
― calstars, Friday, 24 May 2019 23:58 (six years ago)
what is dead may never drone
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Saturday, 25 May 2019 00:14 (six years ago)
I just want to say it’s ok to not know/understand things and it’s also ok to not understand something when you previously thought you did
― brimstead, Saturday, 25 May 2019 00:24 (six years ago)
at least we have some dope nomination lists
― brimstead, Saturday, 25 May 2019 00:25 (six years ago)
otm x 2
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Saturday, 25 May 2019 00:34 (six years ago)
Taylor Deupree - StilTaylor Deupree -NorthernMain - HzMain - FirmamentMain - Dry Stone FeedRyuichi Sakamoto -Esperanto
― ed.b, Saturday, 25 May 2019 00:50 (six years ago)
Anjou - Anjou
― Tormund Giantsbabe (Leee), Saturday, 25 May 2019 07:34 (six years ago)
Apologies for that needlessly combative AGW post!
I was listening to I Trawl the Megahertz yesterday and thought I should very probably have nominated that. What a beautiful (ambient) record.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Saturday, 25 May 2019 09:11 (six years ago)
I nominated Dragging a Dead Deer... if general consensus is to remove I’m more than happy to see that go. I love it but I also want this to stay true to theme. Same with Monoliths and Dimensions, I think a good deal of it is ambient but certainly not all of it.
I also back that AGW shouldn’t be on.
Also, Periphery by The Seven Fields of Aphelion is on the doc twice.
― gman59, Saturday, 25 May 2019 09:44 (six years ago)
Two more:
Hecq - Night FallsMiguel Ángel Tolosa - Ephimeral
― pomenitul, Saturday, 25 May 2019 10:06 (six years ago)
OK fine can I withdraw my BoC and AGW nominations?
Arthur Russell's instrumentals probably shouldn't be on there either tbh tbf
― paolo, Saturday, 25 May 2019 10:08 (six years ago)
Here are a few ambient vapor classics (2015 or prior) that should be up for consideration:
식료품groceries - 슈퍼마켓Yes! We're OpenMindspring Memories - @_@猫 シ Corp. - Palm Mall仮想夢プラザ - 仮想夢プラザ (Telepath - virtual dream plaza)
― calstars, Saturday, 25 May 2019 11:55 (six years ago)
Ok, as per your requests, I've removed Dragging a Dead Deer, Monoliths & Dimensions, Another Green World, and the Boards of Canada albums from the nominations. The nom list should now be up to date. Gman59 and Paolo, I'm sure you can count how many noms you still have left after these changes.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 25 May 2019 13:31 (six years ago)
You can pull When - The Black Death too, my mistake.
― Siegbran, Saturday, 25 May 2019 13:38 (six years ago)
Pontiac Streator and Ulla Strauss - Chat
Paolo, this appears to be an EP that's less than 30 minutes long, so it doesn't meet the poll criteria. You get one extra nomination.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 25 May 2019 13:38 (six years ago)
Okay, done.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 25 May 2019 13:39 (six years ago)
I was listening to one of my own nominations, Debit - Animus, and I realised it's too intense to really count as ambient. So I'm gonna replace it with:
Natasha Barrett - Trade Winds
― Tuomas, Saturday, 25 May 2019 13:41 (six years ago)
I remember browsing at record stores in the ambient section in the late nineties and even then you'd immediately be like "half of this isn't even ambient" and eventually the Internet allowed us to argue about which half
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 25 May 2019 14:08 (six years ago)
haha so true
good edits/retractions, everyone!
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Saturday, 25 May 2019 14:34 (six years ago)
Looking forward to having a choice of 5 albums to vote for
― groovypanda, Saturday, 25 May 2019 15:44 (six years ago)
And all of them are Eno.
― Tormund Giantsbabe (Leee), Saturday, 25 May 2019 16:12 (six years ago)
Hopefully somebody can go thru the list with a fine-toothed comb and take out anything that might have beats, vocals, melodic progressions, do it properly.
― specific goats my way (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 May 2019 16:29 (six years ago)
Let's just restrict the poll to side one of Discreet Music and have done with it.
― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Saturday, 25 May 2019 16:34 (six years ago)
Pfft it's gonna take me years just to skim the multitude of nominations I'm unfamiliar with
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Saturday, 25 May 2019 16:41 (six years ago)
Ok, so we’ll delay the poll for years while sleeve completes this important work
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Saturday, 25 May 2019 16:48 (six years ago)
Let's do the poll as most ambient to least ambient
― Evan, Saturday, 25 May 2019 17:33 (six years ago)
influenced by my reading of david toop this week, but is there a consensus 'extremely ambient gamelan' recording?
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Saturday, 25 May 2019 17:42 (six years ago)
the one with the white dude playing gamalan on piano
― brimstead, Saturday, 25 May 2019 18:56 (six years ago)
BoC have too many boring beats to be ambient.― Ned Caligari (Tom D.)
― Ned Caligari (Tom D.)
latter-era Sonic Youth has too many boring beats but you don't hear people complaining about the dull-as-dirt drumming on Murray St. fucking whingers
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Saturday, 25 May 2019 19:33 (six years ago)
trip hop
― brimstead, Saturday, 25 May 2019 19:48 (six years ago)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hHW1oY26kxQ
kevin drumm - secondann annie - wander intophilip jeck - vinyl coda IVdedalus•antoine beuger•jürg frey s/t
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Saturday, 25 May 2019 20:08 (six years ago)
I dig how the ambient police operate
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Saturday, 25 May 2019 20:12 (six years ago)
would you prefer that the beats call attention to themselves, so as to spoil 'the vibe' ?
Spoliling the vibe is exactly what they do!
― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Saturday, 25 May 2019 20:16 (six years ago)
I don’t see how Gas - Pop doesn’t win this poll.
― beard papa, Saturday, 25 May 2019 21:10 (six years ago)
Pop isn't even the highest rated Gas album in here, is it? I thought the consensus is that Königsforst is the best. (And I agree.)
― Tuomas, Saturday, 25 May 2019 21:14 (six years ago)
Pop is also the least ambient Gas afaict
― Bitch, I Might Be Giants (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 25 May 2019 21:19 (six years ago)
man i'd forgotten how beat-heavy 76:14 is
― big gym sw0les (crüt), Saturday, 25 May 2019 21:59 (six years ago)
Fennesz/Sakamoto - Cendre
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Saturday, 25 May 2019 22:21 (six years ago)
>'extremely ambient gamelan' recording?
the best recordings usually heat up by the end, more trance than ambient, but this is a good one that stays low-key. entire blog recommended, nothing random gets posted here.
https://music-republic-world-traditional.blogspot.com/2018/10/indonesia-indonesie-gamelan-kjahi-kaduk.html
― Milton Parker, Saturday, 25 May 2019 22:40 (six years ago)
There's 6 days left of nominating, and since it doesn't look like the list is overwhelmingly long, I'm gonna give everyone 10 extra noms. So you can nominate up to 40 records. Have fun!
― Tuomas, Saturday, 25 May 2019 22:51 (six years ago)
that Antrilon album I nominated is a deep cut btw. I only heard it because it got sent to my college radio station. I love it though, very sci-fi sounding. first track reminds me of Otto Luening
― big gym sw0les (crüt), Saturday, 25 May 2019 23:05 (six years ago)
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Saturday, 25 May 2019 23:09 (six years ago)
Narkopop is an ambient Gas album
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Saturday, 25 May 2019 23:10 (six years ago)
thanking you milton!
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Saturday, 25 May 2019 23:27 (six years ago)
Here's my 10 extra nominations:Alio Die & Mariolina Zitta - La sala dei cristalliDeborah Martin - Eye of the WizardDeepChord presents Echospace - Liumin / Liumin ReducedGeinoh Yamashirogumi - Ecophony RinneHildur Guðnadóttir - SamanLucette Bourdin - Radiant StarsLucia Hwong - Goddess Vol. 2: Celestial RealmsMove D / Namlook - XII: Space & TimeTetsu Inoue / Jonah Sharp - Instant ReplayUlla Straus - Big Room(40/40)
― Tuomas, Saturday, 25 May 2019 23:34 (six years ago)
Cool thanks, gonna submit more by Tuesday
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Sunday, 26 May 2019 00:34 (six years ago)
I need to spend some more time with Tetsu Inoue
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 26 May 2019 01:14 (six years ago)
Alto Stratus – Region 5
19/40
― big gym sw0les (crüt), Sunday, 26 May 2019 01:15 (six years ago)
Jean-Jacques Perrey - Prelude to Sleep (1957) (busy by modern definitions but begs inclusion due to prescient intent)Gamelan Kjahi Kaduk, Manis Rengga – Gamelan Music from Java (1963)Eberhard Schoener - Meditation (1973)Klaus Wiese - Touch of SilenceRoland Kayn - Ultra Redundancy TR MegaphonieRoger S. Payne - Songs of the Humpback WhaleGordon Hempton - Dawn ChorusErik Satie (Alan Marks, piano) - VexationsDaniel Lanois / Rocco Deluca - Goodbye to LanguageHarry Bertoia - Sonambient F/W 1031 - Ocean Mysteries / Softly Played
― Milton Parker, Sunday, 26 May 2019 01:28 (six years ago)
Hey instead of arguing about BOC, what about Luck Ferrari? Ambient, sure, but music??
― Tormund Giantsbabe (Leee), Sunday, 26 May 2019 06:05 (six years ago)
So many FPs on this thread
― specific goats my way (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 26 May 2019 07:04 (six years ago)
xxp good call re: Vexations.
― nerve_pylon, Sunday, 26 May 2019 15:09 (six years ago)
― Milton Parker, Saturday, May 25, 2019 5:40 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
god DAMN this is excellent. thanking you again.
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Sunday, 26 May 2019 15:44 (six years ago)
en - already gone14/40
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Sunday, 26 May 2019 16:45 (six years ago)
Circle - MiljardAix Em Klemm - Aix Em KlemmPhilip Jeck - An Ark for the ListenerRothko - No Chart No Anchor No Rudder No Sails Oren Ambarchi - Grapes from the EstateTaylor Deupree - Northern
(36/40)
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Sunday, 26 May 2019 18:48 (six years ago)
sorry, but I'd like to retract my nomination of Huerco S.'s Colonial Patterns. I was at 15 earlier, so one retraction and six additions brings my tally up to 20:
Tholen - SternklangStuart Dempster – Underground Overlays From The Cistern ChapelPiano Magic – A Trick Of The Sea Sleep Research Facility - NostromoLegiac - The Voynich ManuscriptLull - Cold Summer
(20/40)
― lispectah deck (unregistered), Sunday, 26 May 2019 19:30 (six years ago)
If you're going to have DJ Olive's Sleep and Buoy you ought to have:
DJ Olive - Triage
― Ned Trifle X, Sunday, 26 May 2019 19:32 (six years ago)
Steve Roach - A Deeper SilenceSteve Roach - Darkest Before Dark
― Ned Trifle X, Sunday, 26 May 2019 19:37 (six years ago)
Kent Sparling - Evening Air, Freeway Birds, No Wind BirdsBruno Sanfilippo & Mathias Grassow - Ambessence Piano & Drones
I think this might be my new favourite ILM thread.
― Ned Trifle X, Sunday, 26 May 2019 20:11 (six years ago)
Morton Feldman - Piano And String Quartet (Kronos Quartet With Aki Takahashi – Nonesuch, 1993)
6/40
― Ned Trifle X, Sunday, 26 May 2019 20:15 (six years ago)
^^^ great one, one of my favorite pieces of music
― WmC, Sunday, 26 May 2019 20:17 (six years ago)
should be noted that the second disc of budd's 2005 album Avalon Sutra is a 69 minute remix of As Long As I Can Hold My Breath which is ambient as fuuuuuuuck― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, May 17, 2019 2:41 AM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, May 17, 2019 2:41 AM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Has nobody nominated this? Because the whole album is gorgeous and no matter what Budd thinks it totally fits the sleepytime criteria. So:
Harold Budd - Avalon Sutra
7/40
― Ned Trifle X, Sunday, 26 May 2019 20:46 (six years ago)
Lucette Bourdin - Radiant Stars
Never heard of this but a quick listen confirms it's worth more the $1 you can get it for on Bandcamp currently.
― Ned Trifle X, Sunday, 26 May 2019 20:50 (six years ago)
Thom Brennan - Mist
8/40
― Ned Trifle X, Sunday, 26 May 2019 20:57 (six years ago)
Lucette Bourdin - Radiant StarsNever heard of this but a quick listen confirms it's worth more the $1 you can get it for on Bandcamp currently.
― Tuomas, Sunday, 26 May 2019 21:23 (six years ago)
Ned bringing the goods! Hadn’t heard that DJ Olive rec
― brimstead, Sunday, 26 May 2019 22:56 (six years ago)
Chuck Johnson - BalsamsDeaf Center - Pale Ravine
38/40
This Thom Brennan album is fabulous. Cheers for the recommendation.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Monday, 27 May 2019 08:42 (six years ago)
Taylor Deupree - Northern
Chinaski, this was already on the list, so you're at 35/40 nominations.
― Tuomas, Monday, 27 May 2019 11:13 (six years ago)
sorry, but I'd like to retract my nomination of Huerco S.'s Colonial Patterns.
Sure, I've retracted it.
The nomination list in the Google Docs sheet should be up to date. Here's the list so far as text, in case you can't open the sheet:
154 Strike1991 No More Dreams2814 新しい日の誕生+Minus A Rainy Koran Verse (UK Live)1 Mile North Minor Shadows2350 Broadway 2350 Broadway 4500mg Vertical ApproachAeolian String Ensemble, The Lassithi/ElysiumAidan Baker The Sea Swells a Bit...Air [Pete Namlook] AirAix Em Klemm Aix Em KlemmAkira Rabelais SpellewauerynsherdeAlain Kremski Music for an Unknown TempleAlain Presencer The Singing Bowls of TibetAlan Lamb Original Masters - Night PassageAlex Cobb ChantepleureAlio Die Aura seminalisAlio Die Horas tibi serenasAlio Die & Mariolina Zitta La sala dei cristalliAlio Die & Sylvi Alli Amidst the Circling SpiresAloof Proof Expo Two: Piano Text Alquimia "Coatlicue" Goddess of the EarthAlva Noto Xerrox Vol.1Alva Noto + Ryuichi Sakamoto InsenAlva Noto + Ryuichi Sakamoto Vrioon Alvin Curran Songs and Views of the Magnetic GardenAmbiant Otaku Ambiant OtakuAndrew Chalk Baroque StepsAndrew Chalk The Cable HouseAndrew Chalk & Christoph Heemann Mirror of the SeaAndrew Pekler CueAndrew Skeoch & Sarah Koschak Spirit of the OutbackAnn Annie Wander IntoAnthony Manning Islets in Pink PolypropyleneAntrilon Mind EraseAphex Twin Selected Ambient Works Volume IIArp The Soft WaveArp InversionsArthur Russell World of EchoArve Henriksen ChiaroscuroASC No Stars without DarknessASC Nothing Is CertainASC Fervent DreamAsmus Tietchens EisgangAtrium Carceri PtahilAutechre GarbageAutechre NTS Session 4Baked Beans Baked BeansBakground Saved Data TrilogyBang on a Can Music for Airports (Brian Eno)Barry Cleveland MythosBelong October LanguageBen Frost By the ThroatBen Frost AuroraBill Laswell Axiom Ambient: Lost in the Translation Bill Laswell & Terre Thaemlitz WebBiosphere Departed GloriesBiosphere SubstrataBiosphere DropsondeBiosphere N-PlantsBiosphere ShenzhouBiosphere CirqueBirchville Cat Motel Beautiful Speck TriumphBlack Swan AeternaBlamstrain DisfoldBrian Eno Ambient 4: On LandBrian Eno Ambient 1: Music for AirportsBrian Eno Discreet MusicBrian Eno Thursday AfternoonBrian Eno The Shutov Assembly Brian Eno Neroli (Thinking Music Part IV)Brian Eno Music for FilmsBrian Eno LuxBrian Eno / Peter Chilvers ReflectionBrian Eno with Daniel Lanois & Roger Eno Apollo: Atmospheres & SoundtracksBrian McBride When the Detail Lost Its FreedomBroken Consort, A The Shape LeavesBruno Sanfilippo & Mathias Grassow Ambessence Piano & DronesBvdub Return to TongluC-Schulz & Hajsch C-Schulz & HajschCarbon Based Lifeforms TwentythreeCarbon Based Lifeforms World of SleepersCaretaker, The Everywhere at the End of TimeCaretaker, The An Empty Bliss Beyond This WorldCeler Engaged TouchesCFCF ExercisesChapterhouse / Global Communication Blood Music: Pentamerous Metamorphosis Charlemagne Palestine Strumming MusicChihei Hatakeyama Minima MoraliaChristian Høy Knudsen HavChristina Kubisch Mono FlouidChristopher Willits HorizonChubby Wolf OrnitheologyChuck Johnson BalsamsCircle MiljardCircular DivergentClimax Golden Twins LovelyClive Wright Taqsim to AntliaCoil Megalithomania!Colleen The Golden Morning BreaksColleen Everyone Alive Wants AnswersColleen Les ondes silencieusesColleen Captain of NoneColleen A Flame My Love, a FrequencyConstance Demby Novus Magnificat: Through the StargateCornelius Cardew / The Scratch Orchestra The Great Learning [Deutsche Grammophon 1971]Craig Kupka Crystals: New Music for Relaxation 2Cucina Povera HiljaCucina Povera ZoomDaevid Allen / Ja-Am Seven DronesDaniel Lanois Omni Series 2: Purple VistaDaniel Lanois / Rocco Deluca Goodbye to LanguageDaniel Lanois / Rocco Deluca Goodbye to LanguageDaniel Pemberton BedroomDatacide FlowerheadDavid Behrman On the Other OceanDavid Behrman On the other OceanDavid Bowie All SaintsDavid Casper with Scott Cossu, Jami Sieber & T'ao Chu-Shen Crystal WavesDavid Hykes & The Harmonic Choir Hearing Solar WindsDavid Hykes & The Harmonic Choir Harmonic MeetingsDavid Jackman Sol maraDavid Sylvian / Holger Czukay Flux + MutabilityDavid Tudor RainforestDead Texan, The The Dead TexanDeaf Center Pale RavineDean McPhee Four StonesDeathprod Morals and DogmaDeborah Martin Eye of the WizardDedalus • Antoine Beuger • Jürg Frey Dedalus • Antoine Beuger • Jürg FreyDeep Listening Band The Ready Made BoomerangDeep Listening Band & The Long String Instrument Suspended MusicDeep Magic / Pine Smoke Lodge SplitDeepChord ImmersionsDeepChord presents Echospace Liumin / Liumin ReducedDeontic Miracle, The Central Palace Music (From 100 Model Subjects for Hegikan Roku)Desiderii Marginis That Which Is Tragic and TimelessDesiderii Marginis HypnosisDétrée Architectura CelestisDeutsch Nepal ToleranceDJ Olive SleepDJ Olive BuoyDJ Olive TriageDolphins into the Future Canto arquipélagoDon Slepian Sea of BlissDonato Dozzy Plays Bee MaskDots DotsDouglas Quin AntarcticaDreamfish DreamfishEarth Earth 2: Special Low Frequency VersionEarth Hex; or Printing in the Infernal MethodEberhard Schoener MeditationEkkehard Ehlers PlaysEleh Location MomentumÉliane Radigue Trilogie de la mortÉliane Radigue Adnos I–IIIÉliane Radigue Jetsun MilaElse Marie Pade Et glasperlespilEluvium Talk Amongst the TreesEluvium CopiaEluvium Lambent MaterialEmeralds What HappenedEmeralds Allegory of AllergiesEn Already GoneEntheogenic Spontaneous IlluminationErik Satie Vexations [London Records 1990]Evan Parker / Lawrence Casserley Solar WindEyvind Kang Live Low to the Earth, in the Iron AgeEzekiel Honig Surfaces of a Broken Marching BandFabio Orsi WinterreiseFennesz VeniceFennesz Endless SummerFennesz Black SeaFennesz / Sakamoto CendreFires of Ork, The The Fires of Ork 2Flying Saucer Attack Flying Saucer AttackFolke Rabe What??Forest Management DelicateFormer Selves Selige SehnsuchtForrest Fang GonglandForrest Fang The Sleepwalker's OceanFrance Jobin IntricationFrançois Bayle ErosphèreFripp & Eno Evening Star Fripp & Eno (No Pussyfooting)Further 5 Further JourneysFuture Sound Of London, The LifeformsGarlo Vent de guitaresGas PopGas KönigsforstGas ZauberbergGas NarkopopGavin Bryars The Sinking of The Titanic [Point Music 1994, originally released in 1975]Geinoh Yamashirogumi 輪廻交響楽 Ecophony RinneGeoffrey Chandler StarscapesGigi Masin WindGigi Masin Talk to the SeaGiusto Pio Motore immobileGlobal Communication 76:14Global Communication Remotion: The Global Communication Remix AlbumGordon Hempton Dawn ChorusGreg Davis Mutually ArisingGrouper A I A: Dream LossGrouper RuinsGrouper The Man Who Died in His BoatGrowing The Sky's Run into the SeaGrowing The Soul of the Rainbow and the Harmony of LightH. Takahashi Body TripH. Takahashi Low PowerHallock Hill The UnionHammock Kenotic Hammock Raising Your Voice... Trying to Stop an EchoHammock Oblivion HymnsHappy Meals Full Ashram Devotional Ceremony (Volumes IV - VI)Haptic AbeyanceHarmonia & Eno '76 Tracks and Traces Harold Budd Lovely ThunderHarold Budd The White ArcadesHarold Budd The RoomHarold Budd PerhapsHarold Budd Avalon SutraHarold Budd / Brian Eno Ambient 2: The Plateaux of MirrorHarold Budd / Brian Eno with Daniel Lanois The PearlHarold Budd & Clive Wright A Song for Lost BlossomsHarold Budd & Clive Wright Little WindowsHaruomi Hosono 花に水 (Watering a Flower)Hash Jar Tempo Under GlassHatchback Zeus & ApolloHaxan Cloak, The ExcavationHazard WoodHead Phone Over Tone Solar SailsHeathered Pearls LoyalHecq Night FallsHelios EingyaHenry Flynt You Are My Everlovin / Celestial PowerHenry Wolff & Nancy Hennings The Bells of Sh'ang Sh'ung: A Soundpoem)Herbst9 Buried Under Time and SandHigh Aura'd Sanguine FuturesHildur Guðnadóttir SamanHiroshi Yoshimura Music for Nine Post CardsHiroshi Yoshimura GreenHoedh HymnvsHuerco S. UntitledHumpback Whale Songs of the Humpback WhaleIan Middleton Well of SorrowsIan William Craig A Turn of BreathIasos Inter-Dimensional MusicIatmul Music of Oceania: The Iatmul of Papua NiuginiIldjarn-Nidhogg HardangerviddaInade AldebaranIngram Marshall Fog Tropes / Gradual RequiemIngram Marshall Three Penitential Visions / Hidden VoicesInoyama Land Danzindan-PojidonIona Fortune Tao of IIotronica Of Moons and StarsIrresistible Force, The Global ChillageIshq OrchidJ. Greinke Cities In Fog J.D. Emmanuel WizardsJack Jutson Mother OfficialJan Jelinek TierbeobachtungenJean-Jacques Perrey Prélude au sommeilJean-Michel Jarre Waiting for CousteauJeremy Bible Music for Black HolesJim O'Rourke Sleep Like It's WinterJim O'Rourke Long NightJoda Clément I Hope You Like the UniverseJoe Jones Solar MusicJóhann Jóhannsson FordlandiaJohn T Bullitt Night of a Thousand SongsJohn Tavener Towards Silence [Signum Classics 2010]John Tilbury / Keith Rowe / Kjell Bjørgeengen Sissel John Tilbury & Oren Ambarchi The Just ReproachJon Hassell Last Night the Moon Came Dropping Its Clothes in the StreetJon Hassell Listening to Pictures (Pentimento Volume One)Jon Hassell FascinomaJon Hassell / Brian Eno Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible MusicsJon Keliehor The Beginning of TimeJonas Munk Absorb / Fabric / CascadeJonathan Coleclough CakeJonathan Fitoussi Imaginary LinesJonny Nash EdenJulia Kent AsperitiesJulianna Barwick NepentheJuno Reactor LucianaJürg Frey L'âme est sans retenue IJustin Bieber U Smile (800% Slower)Justin Walter Unseen ForcesJute Gyte PenetraliaKaitlyn Aurelia Smith TidesKammarheit The StarwheelKara-Lis Coverdale A480Karma Moffett Golden Bowls of CompassionKasper Bjørke Quartet The Fifty Eleven ProjectKate NV Для = ForKeith Fullerton Whitman PlaythroughsKeith Fullerton Whitman LisbonKen Camden Lethargy & RepercussionsKent Sparling Evening Air, Freeway Birds, No Wind BirdsKevin Drumm Imperial DistortionKevin Drumm Second Khan & Walker Empire State BuildingKid606 Recollected Ambient Works Vol. 1: Bored of ExcitementKinski Don't Climb on and Take the Holy WaterKjahi Kaduk Manis, Manis Rengga Gamelan Music from JavaKlaus Wiese Qumra IIKlaus Wiese Touch of Silence: Tibetan Singing BowlsKlaus Wiese, Ted de Jong & Mathias Grassow El-Hadra: The Mystik DanceKLF, The Chill OutKoen Holtkamp Gravity / BeesKowalski Room Modern Urban StarlightKraftwerk AutobahnKreng GrimoireKyle Bobby Dunn Kyle Bobby Dunn & The Infinite SadnessKyle Bobby Dunn Bring Me the Head of Kyle Bobby DunnLa Monte Young & Marian Zazeela Untitled ("The Black Record")La Monte Young & Marian Zazeela The Tamburas of Pandit Pran NathLa Monte Young & Marian Zazeela / The Theatre of Eternal Music Dream House 78'17"Labradford E luxo soLabradford Fixed::ContextLabradford Mi media naranjaLaraaji Ambient 3: Day of RadianceLaraaji Essence / UniverseLaurie Anderson The Ugly One with the Jewels and Other StoriesLaurie Spiegel The Expanding UniverseLeandro Fresco & Rafael Anton Irisarri La equidistanciaLegiac The Voynich ManuscriptLes Halles TransientLevantis Romantic Psychology 1Lichens The Psychic Nature of BeingLightwave Musique ProvisoireLocal News A Simple Dream PassLoren Chasse The Air in the SandLoren Connors As Roses Bow (Collected Airs 1992–2002)Lorenzo Montanà Phase IXLoscil Endless FallsLoscil Sea IslandLoscil PlumeLoscil Endless FallsLovesliescrushing GlissceuleLuc Ferrari Éphémère I & IILucette Bourdin Nordic Waves, Vol. 2: SpringLucette Bourdin Radiant StarsLucia Hwong Secret LuminescenceLucia Hwong Goddess Vol. 2: Celestial RealmsLucid Dreams Lucid Dreams 0096Lull Like a Slow RiverLull Cold SummerLustmord The Place Where the Black Stars HangLustmord Dark MatterM. Geddes Gengras Hawaiki TapesMain Firmament IVMain HzMain FirmamentMain Dry Stone FeedManual BajamarManual with Jess Kahr The North ShoreManuel Göttsching E2–E4Marble Sky Marble SkyMarconi Union Weightless (Ambient Transmissions Vol. 2) Marek Zebrowski & David Lynch Polish Night MusicMariolina Zitta Concert for Bats, Voices and Natural Sounds Mark Wastell Come Crimson RaysMarsen Jules BeautyfearMarsen Jules Lazy Sunday FuneralsMarsen Jules YaraMary Lattimore The Withdrawing RoomMasayoshi Fujita & Jan Jelinek Bird, Lake, ObjectsMasters of Psychedelic Ambiance MuMathias Grassow & Alio Die Expanding HorizonMax Richter SleepMeg Bowles Blue CosmosMeg Bowles The Shimmering LandMichael Brook with Brian Eno & Daniel Lanois HybridMichael Stearns Planetary UnfoldingMichael Stearns Encounter (A Journey in the Key of Space)Michael T. Bullock & Andrew Lafkas Ceremonies To Breathe UponMichel Redolfi Desert TracksMicrostoria SndMiguel Angel Tolosa EphimeralMiles Davis In a Silent WayMilieu A Warm Wooden HollowMindSpring Memories @_@Minilogue BlommaMLO IoMonolake Gobi. The Desert EPMorton Feldman Piano and String Quartet [Nonesuch 1993]Moss Harvest Constructs of Loss and LongingMotion Sickness of Time Travel Motion Sickness of Time TravelMountains SewnMountains ChoralMountains CentraliaMove D The Silent OrbiterMove D / Namlook XII: Space & TimeMurmer What Are the Roots That ClutchMusic to Films Music to FilmsMuslimgauze Veiled SistersMWVM Rotationsn/a Symphonies of the Planets 1: NASA Voyager Recordingsn/a Rostov ChimesNatasha Barrett Trade WindsNatural Snow Buildings The Dance of the Moon and the SunNecks, The Mosquito / See ThroughNew Dreams Ltd. SleeplineNew Risen Throne / Cruel Harvest Shadows Over Humanity Nicholas Szczepanik We Make Life SadNocturnal Emissions SpiritfleshNorman Westberg 13Northaunt Barren LandNovisad NovisadNovisad SeleyaNurse with Wound Soliloquy for LilithNurse with Wound Salt Marie CelesteO Yuki Conjugate EquatorOliver Lieb Inside VoicesOmni Vu Deity UvunayatuOneohtrix Point Never RiftsOneohtrix Point Never ReplicaOöphoi Static Soundscapes: Three Lights At the End of the WorldOöphoi / Tau Ceti Celestial GeometriesOrb, The Chill Out, World! Orb, The The Orb's Adventures Beyond the UltraworldOren Ambarchi TristeOren Ambarchi SuspensionOren Ambarchi In the Pendulum's EmbraceOren Ambarchi Grapes from the EstateOrganic Cloud Organic CloudOrganum Vacant LightsOrganum SubmissionOrganum Birds' Wings Were Glued to Their Bodies and Their Feet Froze to the GroundOval 94diskont.Pan•American White Bird ReleasePaul Horn Inside the Great PyramidPaul Schütze ApartPauline Oliveros / Stuart Dempster / Panaiotis Deep ListeningPendant Make Me Know You SweetPenelope Trappes Penelope OnePeter Warren & Matt Samolis Bowed Metal MusicPeter Wright An Angel Fell Where the Kestrels Hover Petrels HaeligewiellePhil Niblock Nothin to Look at Just a RecordPhilip Jeck StokePhilip Jeck Vinyl Coda IV Philip Jeck An Ark for the ListenerPiano Magic Son de Mar (Music from the Film by Bigas Luna)Piano Magic A Trick of the SeaPopol Vuh In den Gärten Pharaos Porya Hatami ShallowPulse Emitter Planetary Scale Synth HypnosisPulse Emitter Xenharmonic PassagesRagnar Grippe SandRaison d'être The Empty Hollow UnfoldsRaison d'être Enthralled by the Wind of LonelinessRaison d'être In Sadness, Silence, and SolitudeRaison d'être Prospectus IRandall McClellan The Healing Music of Rana Vol. IIRandall McClellan The Healing Music of Rana Vol. IIIRapoon The Fires of the BorderlandsRaymond Scott Soothing Sounds for Baby Volume 1: 1 to 6 MonthsRichard Skelton LandingsRob Theakston I Am Waiting for You to Stop Being Mad at MeRobert A.A. Lowe & Rose Lazar EclipsesRobert Ashley Private PartsRobert Henke Layering BuddhaRobert Rich SomniumRobert Rich Trances / DronesRobert Rich Calling Down the SkyRobert Rich HumidityRobert Rich & Lustmord StalkerRobert Turman FluxRobert Turman Beyond PaintingRobert Turman & Aaron Dilloway BlizzardRod Modell / Michael Mantra Sonic ContinuumRoedelius Selbstportrait - Vol. IIRoger Winfield's Aeolian Harps Voices of the WindRoland Kayn TektraRoland Kayn Multiplex Sound-Art: Ultra / Redundancy TR / MegaphonieRoly Porter AftertimeRothko No Chart No Anchor No Rudder No Sails Roy Montgomery Scenes from the South IslandRoy Montgomery Temple IVRyuichi Sakamoto AsyncRyuichi Sakamoto EsperantoSarah Davachi Qualities of Bodies PermanentSarah Davachi August HarpSarah Davachi Barons CourtSarah Louise Nighttime Birds and Morning StarsSatoshi Ashikawa Still WaySchiller AtemlosSeattle Harmonic Voices, The Harmonic VoiceSecede TryshaslaSecret Pyramid Movements of NightSeven Fields of Aphelion, The Keep the Ocean InsideSeven Fields of Aphelion, The PeripheryShades of Orion Shades of Orion 2Sheila Chandra ABoneCroneDroneShinjuku Thief The Witch HavenShuttle358 ChessaSilence Silence VSleep Research Facility NostromoSleepResearchFacility Deep FriezeSlowdive PygmalionSolar Quest OrgshipSpacemen 3 DreamweaponSpacetime Continuum Sea BiscuitStars of the Lid The Tired Sounds of Stars of the LidStars of the Lid The Ballasted OrchestraStars of the Lid Stars of the Lid and Their Refinement of the DeclineStars of the Lid Gravitational Pull Vs. The Desire For an Aquatic LifeStephan Mathieu A Static PlaceStephen Kent Family TreeSteve Hillage Rainbow Dome Musick Steve Roach Structures from SilenceSteve Roach Immersion : OneSteve Roach Dreamtime ReturnSteve Roach The Magnificent VoidSteve Roach Quiet Music: The Original 3-Hour CollectionSteve Roach A Deeper SilenceSteve Roach Darkest Before DawnSteve Roden Forms of PaperSteven Stapleton & David Tibet The Sadness of ThingsStijn Hüwels TomodachiStrategy Noise Tape SelfStuart Dempster Underground Overlays from the Cistern ChapelStuart Dempster Underground Overlays from the Cistern ChapelSubterrene Bathetic ResonanceSun Electric 30.7.94 LiveSunn O))) 3: Flight of the BehemothSunn O))) The GrimmRobe DemosSunn O))) & Ulver Terrestrials Sunroof! BlissSuperficial Depth Digital SuperimposingSuso Sáiz RainworksSuspended Memories Forgotten GodsSusumu Yokota SakuraSuzanne Ciani Seven Waves Svartsinn Elegies for the EndSyntonic Research Inc. Environments 2: Tintinnabulation (Special Low Frequency Version)Syntonic Research Inc. Environments 6: Dawn and Dusk in the Okefenokee SwampSyntonic Research Inc. Environments 7: Induced Meditation – A New Easy Method of Relieving TensionSystem 7 Point 3: Water AlbumTakehisa Kosugi Catch-WaveTangerine Dream ZeitTangerine Dream PhaedraTatsuya Nakatani Nakatani Gong OrchestraTaylor Deupree Stil.Taylor Deupree NorthernTerekke Improvisational LoopsTerre Thaemlitz SoilTetsu Inoue World ReceiverTetsu Inoue YoloTetsu Inoue / Jonah Sharp Instant ReplayTholen SternklangThom Brennan MistThomas Köner PermafrostThomas Köner Kaamos Thomas Köner DaikanThumpmonks Noir SelectionsTim Hecker Harmony in UltravioletTim Hecker Ravedeath, 1972Tim Hecker VirginsTod Dockstader Aerial #1Tom Heasley Where the Earth Meets the SkyTom Heasley On the Sensations of ToneTommy Awards Sessions IITony Conrad Four Violins (1964)Tor Lundvall Empty CityTroum & All Sides ShutûnUlla Straus Big RoomUlrich Schnauss GoodbyeUlver with Tromsø Chamber Orchestra Messe I.X-VI.XVangelis Soil FestivitiesVangelis Invisible ConnectionsVangelis L'apocalypse des animauxVangelis & Dr. Stergios Tegos Microneurosurgery with Video Tapes Vapour Theories DecantVarious Artists The Ambient CookbookVarious Artists Pop Ambient 2002Various Artists (The Microcosm) Visionary Music Of Continental Europe, 1970–1986 Various Artists Music For Films IIIVarious Artists I Am the Center: Private Issue New Age Music in America, 1950–1990Various Artists The Promises of SilenceVarious Artists ...And Even Wolves Hid Their Teeth and Tongue Wherever Shelter Was GivenVarious Artists Ambient 4: IsolationismVarious Artists Mono No AwareVarious Artists BblisssVektroid PolytravellersVikki Jackman Whispering PagesVirginia Astley From Gardens Where We Feel SecureVladislav Delay MultilaVladislav Delay AnimaWarmth EssayWil Bolton Quarry BankWilliam Basinski The Disintegration LoopsWilliam Basinski MelancholiaWilson Tanner 69Wind-Up Bird, The WhipsWindy & Carl Depths Windy & Carl We Will Always BeWindy & Carl Antarctica (The Bliss Out, Vol. 2)Winged Victory for the Sullen, A AtomosWolfgang Voigt Rückverzauberung 10 / NationalparkWoob Woob 1194X.Y.R. ReflectionsX.Y.R. El DoradoXela The Dead SeaYagya RigningYagya Stars and DustYoung Gods, The Music for Artificial CloudsZalys SublimeZimoun DrumsZoviet France Shouting at the GroundZoviet France Assault and MirageZoviet France MohnomisheZoviet France Eostre식료품groceries 슈퍼마켓Yes! We're Open仮想夢プラザ 仮想夢プラザ猫 シ Corp. Palm Mall
― Tuomas, Monday, 27 May 2019 11:15 (six years ago)
A couple more duplicates?Daniel Lanois / Rocco Deluca Goodbye to LanguageDavid Behrman On the Other Ocean Dedalus • Antoine Beuger • Jürg Frey
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 27 May 2019 11:40 (six years ago)
Well, three. My line-break disappeared. Whoops.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 27 May 2019 11:42 (six years ago)
Thanks, I've removed the duplicates from the sheet. The last one isn't a duplicate, as the album is self-titled.
― Tuomas, Monday, 27 May 2019 11:43 (six years ago)
Also, does anyone know if you can make Google put the albums that have the same artist on column A in alphabetical order in column B? All those Brian Eno albums etc seem to be in completely random order, I've no idea how the sheet decides the order in column B if you alphabetise based on column A?
― Tuomas, Monday, 27 May 2019 11:47 (six years ago)
XP: Argh, sorry. I'm going to blame the app for displaying it as two identical lines. Explains my lack of a presumed line-break too. *blushes*
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 27 May 2019 11:55 (six years ago)
I see some epic votesplitting on the horizon.
― Siegbran, Monday, 27 May 2019 14:00 (six years ago)
Rainforest Spiritual Enslavement - Ambient Black Magic
1/40
― toby, Monday, 27 May 2019 14:59 (six years ago)
I've no idea how the sheet decides the order in column B if you alphabetise based on column A?
you can do it by selecting both columns, then Data > Sort Range. From there, you add multiple conditions for sorting (First sort Column A, then sort Column B)
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 May 2019 15:01 (six years ago)
Coil - Time Machines
― Doctor Madame Frances Experimento, LLC", Monday, 27 May 2019 16:24 (six years ago)
Steve Brand – Awakensong36 – Dream TempestRicardo Donoso – Assimilating the Shadow
22/40
― big gym sw0les (crüt), Monday, 27 May 2019 21:45 (six years ago)
Sacred Tapestry - Shader
― frogbs, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 03:09 (six years ago)
should probably retract C-Schulz & Hajsch s/t cuz it's not ambient. cool fucking album, though
i'd like to retract my nomination for C-Schulz & Hajsch (sorry)
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 06:21 (six years ago)
Aes Dana - LeylinesAsura - 360Maeror Tri - The Beauty Of SadnessSolar Fields - Leaving HomeVasilisk - AcquaV/A - Chill Out Or Die!V/A - Fahrenheit Project Part TwoV/A - OxycantaV/A - Saturn Gnosis
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 08:03 (six years ago)
Experimental Audio Research – Beyond The PaleSeefeel – QuiqueDaren Seymour & Mark Van Hoen – Aurobindo: Involution
― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 10:04 (six years ago)
great list, lovely to see lots of colleen in there.
― meaulnes, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 10:18 (six years ago)
PowerPCMe - Kmart 1989-1992
5/40
― calstars, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 11:42 (six years ago)
do we have strong feeling about late period Earth being on the list. seems ambient to me so I nom'd Hex. if they get a pass I'd like to nominate some more by them
― gman59, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 16:37 (six years ago)
Many thanks upthread for turning me on to Lucette Bourdin.
― the article don, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 17:04 (six years ago)
Another nom:
Fennesz & Polwechsel- Wrapped Islands
also, had no idea that Seven Fields of Aphelion had more than one record! going to have to find the one besides Periphery.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 22:55 (six years ago)
brimstead, curious: is the SotL dislike because the music is too obvious/cinematic? i guess it is the equivalent of ambient 'comfort food' to me, but remain slightly shocked whenever people write that they don't like them.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 22:56 (six years ago)
That Jonathan Fitoussi is great, as is his new collaboration with JB Dunkel from Air called Mirages. It’s not ambient, but it’s a great album.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 00:47 (six years ago)
Need to nominate some Vidna Obmana... but which one?
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 01:11 (six years ago)
― brimstead, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 02:06 (six years ago)
Tim Hecker is very clearly a maker of ambient music as far as I'm concerned, despite the bursts of static and his more compositionally-oriented approach.
i'm coming around to this approach. i don't even really listen to actual noise music. radio amor and mirages are both awesome albums either way.
― brimstead, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 02:17 (six years ago)
I really love Tim Hecker's Virgins
― Dan S, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 02:43 (six years ago)
Dedekind Cut - Tahoe
the ambient album I've loved most in the last couple of years
― Dan S, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 02:44 (six years ago)
this is an amazing list
― Dan S, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 02:51 (six years ago)
should probably retract C-Schulz & Hajsch s/t cuz it's not ambient. cool fucking album, thoughi'd like to retract my nomination for C-Schulz & Hajsch (sorry)
No prob, I deleted it from the list.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 06:23 (six years ago)
The nomination list is up to date again. Remember, you only have tomorrow and Friday left to nominate!
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 06:25 (six years ago)
And today of course. :)
what I’ve heard just has this Americana sunsets and wheat fields feel to it that I’m really not into. not the right emotional vibe― brimstead, Tuesday, May 28, 2019 7:06 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― brimstead, Tuesday, May 28, 2019 7:06 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
interesting! i can see that to a certain degree, but i think that i also fell in love with them while in cities— late night subway trips in wintry NYC, early morning bus rides in San Francisco. i also used to unplug the "official" store ipod when i worked in retail to play SotL, and so often associate them with long days staring out a window at rich people passing me by lol.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 10:58 (six years ago)
i think that their pastoral qualities, so to speak, are infinitely more tied to "the west" for me, as opposed to cornfields.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 10:59 (six years ago)
Chuck Johnson - Balsams
― Evan, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 13:47 (six years ago)
Whoops redacted I made a typo when I tried keyword search. Already there.
― Evan, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 13:48 (six years ago)
I mean retract/withdraw* I'm not doing so well right now with typing and thinking
― Evan, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 13:51 (six years ago)
Cliff Martinez - Solaris OST
― ArchCarrier, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:28 (six years ago)
If we're happy with E2-E4 can I can some clarification on SAW1
― kraudive, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:51 (six years ago)
*get
― kraudive, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:52 (six years ago)
nothing is forbidden
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 17:29 (six years ago)
that’s interesting table, love hearing how people can experience these things differently. I did do the “skip around” thing on tired sounds last night and found it to be more somewhat more sonically diverse than I remembered.
― brimstead, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 17:49 (six years ago)
Francisco Lopez - La Selva
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 18:11 (six years ago)
There is no case to be made for E2-E4 to be considered Ambient.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 18:23 (six years ago)
I'm considering edge-case albums like Sleeps with the Fishes by Michael Brook/Pieter Nooten or Lanterna's s/t debut, both of which have vocals and a few songs with guitar lines/drums but are def. ambient.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 18:25 (six years ago)
Steve Roden - Crop Circles
20/40
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 18:41 (six years ago)
Please remove:
Schiller - Atemlos(way too many beats and vocals)
and add:
Troum - Eald-ge-stréon
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 18:44 (six years ago)
SPK - Zamia Lehmanni: Songs of Byzantine FlowersVoice Of Eye - Transmigration
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 18:58 (six years ago)
thank you, Tuomas, for deleting my nom.
do people really believe that Endless Summer (Fennesz) is ambient?
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Thursday, 30 May 2019 01:30 (six years ago)
I do not, personally, although it's closer than any of his other ones except maybe Live In Japan
― Ambient Police (sleeve), Thursday, 30 May 2019 01:58 (six years ago)
surprised nobody's nominated Xerrox Vol. 2 by Alva Noto
Alva Noto - Xerrox vol. 2Jakob Ullmann – Fremde Zeit - AddendumDirk Serries + Rutger Zuydervelt – BuoyantPhil Durrant/Thomas Lehn/Radu Malfatti - dachGraham Lambkin / Jason Lescalleet - Air Supply (fuck it, there are welcome surprises in here)Stephan Mathieu & Janek Schaefer - Hidden Name (if you like Philip Jeck, you might love this album)Bruno Duplant / Taku Sugimoto / Suidobashi Chamber Ensemble – Chamber And Field Works (2015-2017)Ryoko Akama | Bruno Duplant | Dominic Lash – Next To NothingRafael Toral - Violence of Discovery and Calm of AcceptanceMichael Pisaro / Taku Sugimoto - 2 seconds/b minor/waveAntoine Beuger / Michael Pisaro – This Place / Is LoveEva-Maria Houben – Air - Works For Flutes And OrganCristián Alvear* - Jürg Frey – Guitarist, AloneMarcus Schmickler, John Tilbury – TimekeepersStephan Mathieu - Wurmloch VariationenRadu Malfatti – Düsseldorf VielfachesRadu Malfatti / Klaus Filip - imaotoHaptic – Ten Years Under The EarthMichael Pisaro – Fields Have EarsTaku Sugimoto – Quartet / OctetStephen Cornford – Empty ReelsCem Güney – Five CompositionsStephan Mathieu - RadiolandJoseph Clayton Mills - SifrRafael Toral - Wave FieldStephan Mathieu - On TapeKlaus Lang – SAIS.
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― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Thursday, 30 May 2019 03:08 (six years ago)
I do not, personally, although it's closer than any of his other ones except maybe Live In Japan― Ambient Police (sleeve)
― Ambient Police (sleeve)
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Thursday, 30 May 2019 03:22 (six years ago)
fuck, i forgot to include Indeed by O'Rourke / Ambarchi ... so serene, even if it starts off a bit rocky. too late
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Thursday, 30 May 2019 03:24 (six years ago)
Is this ambient?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvG-jqGsWSk
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 30 May 2019 03:25 (six years ago)
Peter Andersson - Music for Film and Exhibition IIMichael Brook and Pieter Nooten - Sleeps with the FishesJeff Greinke - Cities in Fog 2Lanterna - LanternaLustmord - HeresyLustmord - The Word as PowerRobert Rich & Lisa Moskow - YearningDirk Serries - The Origin ReversalStratosphere - DreamscapeStratosphere - AftermathVidna Obmana - The River of AppearanceVidna Obmana - Passage in Beautyv/a - A Brief History of Ambient, Vol. 1v/a - Ambient 2: Imaginary Landscapesv/a - Ambient 3: The Music of Changes
37/40 - hanging on to three in case I remember any others!
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 30 May 2019 03:46 (six years ago)
christophe charles - undirected 1986 - 1996christophe charles - undirected /dokchristophe charles - undirected 1992 - 2002_zoviet*france_ - loh land_zoviet*france_ - just an illusionkeith jarrett - hymns / spheresisolde - all things fall to marching menandrew chalk - the river that flows into the sandsnijiumu - era of sad wingsarve henriksen - sakuteikianna lockwood - glass world of anna lockwood
― massaman gai (front tea for two), Thursday, 30 May 2019 05:33 (six years ago)
i think i have one left, sodreams (james ferraro) - dreams
― massaman gai (front tea for two), Thursday, 30 May 2019 07:46 (six years ago)
ooh yes loh land is excellent.
― Siegbran, Thursday, 30 May 2019 11:16 (six years ago)
so is Just An Illusion! so many good ZF records, gonna get tough when I make my ballot
― Ambient Police (sleeve), Thursday, 30 May 2019 13:54 (six years ago)
Then nom list should be up to date again. Remember, tomorrow is the last day to nominate!
― Tuomas, Thursday, 30 May 2019 16:23 (six years ago)
both Venice and Black Sea (maybe Agora, too) are less overtly bristling / burgeoning with energy.. they feel far more dynamic, subtle, and varied, throughout their respective durations
In light of this: Tuomas, can you remove Fennesz - Venice?
― In a station of the metro / My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard (Leee), Thursday, 30 May 2019 16:40 (six years ago)
I’m gonna just go ahead and nominate Mort Garson’s Plantasia and Philip Corner’s Satie Slowly just to keep the xls thorough Also, I’ll nom Fennesz Venice
― Bitch, I Might Be Giants (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 30 May 2019 17:24 (six years ago)
Philip Corner’s Satie Slowly
haven't heard this but i would really like to, if the title is accurate.
recently i was whining on a satie thread about how no one follows the instructions on the Trois Gymnopédies to play it as slowly as possible. the slower the better imo
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Thursday, 30 May 2019 17:29 (six years ago)
recently i was whiningno pun intended
thanks for keeping track of the noms, Tuomas!
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 30 May 2019 17:45 (six years ago)
Also, I’ll nom Fennesz Venice
I don't wanna start a fight here, so if someone retracts their nomination, it can't be renominated by someone else, sorry.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 30 May 2019 17:55 (six years ago)
Dennis Young - Quest
― Evan, Thursday, 30 May 2019 19:01 (six years ago)
― Bitch, I Might Be Giants (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 30 May 2019 19:06 (six years ago)
have you run one of these polls before? the arguing over the nominations is one of the most excruciating and tedious things imaginable. the correct answer to however the pollrunner wants to handle nominations is "ok, thanks. and thanks for spending an insane amount of your free time on this internet poll for my enjoyment"
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Thursday, 30 May 2019 19:08 (six years ago)
That’s dumb as shit and ALSO thanks for spending an insane amount of your free time on this internet poll for my enjoyment
― Bitch, I Might Be Giants (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 30 May 2019 19:32 (six years ago)
Whiney, as you well know, ambient is notoriusly hard to define. IMO it's much better that the "what is ambient?" discussion is happening here, and that it's reflected on the nominations, than if some controversial album makes it to the top 50 and people start arguing then. If multiple people have expressed doubt whether Fennesz belongs to the poll, and the person who nominated the album retracts it, I think you should respect that and not renominate it immediately afterwards. To me that feels like petty contrarianism.
― Tuomas, Friday, 31 May 2019 06:16 (six years ago)
Anyway, today is the last day to nominate!
― Tuomas, Friday, 31 May 2019 06:20 (six years ago)
i'd like to retract all everyone's nominations except my own please
― big gym sw0les (crüt), Friday, 31 May 2019 07:03 (six years ago)
Les Joyaux de la Princesse & Regard Extrême - Die Weiße Rose
40/40
― Siegbran, Friday, 31 May 2019 07:52 (six years ago)
recently i was whining on a satie thread about how no one follows the instructions on the Trois Gymnopédies to play it as slowly as possible. the slower the better imo― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone)
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone)
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Friday, 31 May 2019 13:08 (six years ago)
My nominations:
Strategy - The Infinity File Elodie - Vieux SilenceToumani Diabaté - The Mandé Variations Machinefabriek - MarijnThe Necks - AetherHisato Higuchi - Dialogue
― maarten, Friday, 31 May 2019 16:19 (six years ago)
good call on "Aether."
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Friday, 31 May 2019 16:31 (six years ago)
The Fun Years - God Was Like, NoJohn Luther Adams - Become Ocean
I think I'm done. Thanks to Tuomas for making sense of all this!
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Friday, 31 May 2019 16:52 (six years ago)
No prob. I'm going to sleep now, and I'm not gonna sort the final nominations until I get up, so you can still nom stuff until around 8am GMT tomorrow.
― Tuomas, Friday, 31 May 2019 21:26 (six years ago)
good call on the fun years.. i wanted to cite 'baby, it's cold inside', but it sort of crescendos / plateaus in a celebratory way. there's a stretch midway through the album where it becomes this all-encompassing, shuddering tremolo--it sounds fantastic on the stereo. their music feels like a rough blend of philip jeck-styled sound art and something like CODY-era Mogwai
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Friday, 31 May 2019 22:24 (six years ago)
*not a "rough" blend, but rather a very successful one
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Friday, 31 May 2019 22:26 (six years ago)
why is fennesz not ambient?
― flopson, Friday, 31 May 2019 23:09 (six years ago)
Sorry for the last minute noms, I'm on China time and it crept up on me.
Various - Pop Ambient 2006Various - Excursions In Ambience - The Third DimensionKazumasa Hashimoto - YupiBiosphere & The Higher Intelligence Agency - Birmingham FrequenciesDan HabarNam - From The Known
I really think Talk Talk's chill LP's should be allowed.
― viborg, Friday, 31 May 2019 23:15 (six years ago)
I had no idea there were so many ambient fans still on ILM. I had no idea there were so many folks still on ILM at all, I thought it was all pretty much just five-ten recalcitrant stragglers. Is ILM actually more active than ever, and if so does that explain why dad rock dominates the site now?
Veering sharply into another realm of me being a nuisance, I really don't get some of the ambient hipsterism on display here. If you're truly averse to calming music, why focus on ambient at all?
I'll show myself out...
― viborg, Friday, 31 May 2019 23:16 (six years ago)
...And another thing:
I really hope folks have given this a listen. Best ambient I've heard from the past ~decade.
― viborg, Friday, 31 May 2019 23:18 (six years ago)
i don't know about best i've heard in the past decade, but it is pretty good.
xpost
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Friday, 31 May 2019 23:23 (six years ago)
I don't listen to that much new ambient to be fair. Checking out your list, I definitely like the Loscil but it is slightly treacly. RSE have a distinctive sound which as a hot take I'd rate higher.
The only other artist I recognize from yours is Sunn O)) but I'm not much of a drone fan if it's harder than SoTL (I do quite like their more droney cuts). Which other one would you rate as the greatest of the decade?
― viborg, Friday, 31 May 2019 23:50 (six years ago)
Speaking of last minute, how about this Anthony Rother?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EOAqGAuWZk&t=3337s
I'm familiar with the last song which just popped up on my random but I haven't had a chance to check out the full release yet. Hi ho hi ho it's off to work I go...
― viborg, Friday, 31 May 2019 23:58 (six years ago)
Link is borked?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EOAqGAuWZk
― viborg, Friday, 31 May 2019 23:59 (six years ago)
I kind of feel that the intersection of drone and ambient is a pretty large overlap, and the sustained washes of Venice become texturally unobtrusive through its saturation, like minimalism through maximalism.
But as to why I denominated it, it's looking like I misread Lowell's post (I must have elided the "less"), haha oops.
Tuomas: please reinstate Fennesz - Venice.
― In a station of the metro / My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard (Leee), Saturday, 1 June 2019 01:11 (six years ago)
thanks for the extension!
Thom Brennan – MountainsSeconds in Formaldehyde – Suchness 3Star Turbine – The Sleeping LandAndrew Pekler – Tristes Tropiques
26/40
― big gym sw0les (crüt), Saturday, 1 June 2019 01:23 (six years ago)
sustained washes? are you thinking of another album?
― brimstead, Saturday, 1 June 2019 01:27 (six years ago)
https://www.discogs.com/style/harsh+noise+wall
― brimstead, Saturday, 1 June 2019 01:34 (six years ago)
https://harshnoisewally.tumblr.com/
― Sassy Boutonnière (ledriver), Saturday, 1 June 2019 02:35 (six years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UerLIFo4d6k
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 1 June 2019 02:45 (six years ago)
One more nom Broken Hearted Dragonflies: Insect Electronica From Southeast Asia
― Bitch, I Might Be Giants (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 1 June 2019 02:48 (six years ago)
Also don’t forget FM3 - The Buddha Machine
― Bitch, I Might Be Giants (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 1 June 2019 03:06 (six years ago)
The Buddha Machine is not a record, so it's not eligible, sorry. If you want, you can nominate some of FM3's actual albums. Also, someone has already nominated Robert Henke's Layering Buddha, which is an album made by sampling the Buddha Machine, so you can always vote for that.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 1 June 2019 06:59 (six years ago)
It doesn't look like I have the time to go through the nominations today, so I'm gonna give you 24 hours more time. The nomination process ends this time tomorrow.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 1 June 2019 07:01 (six years ago)
Boris - FloodJulia Kent - TemporalJulia Kent - Character
― In a station of the metro / My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard (Leee), Saturday, 1 June 2019 07:52 (six years ago)
I have that album (62 Minutes on Mars), and while it's not among my favourite FAX releases, it's indubitably ambient. So feel free to nominate it, if you wanna.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 1 June 2019 11:19 (six years ago)
many xposts to Viborg, I really think that Richard Skelton's work (Landings in particular, as well as his work as A Broken Consort) is probably my highest-rated of the past decade after SotL. it's definitely more influence by Arvo Part and a sort of academic minimalism, but it has an emotional depth in its slight variations that make it really worth for me.
Here's one from Landings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NTvcfkPq4Y
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Saturday, 1 June 2019 15:52 (six years ago)
and here is how his latest is described:
Music for the retreating ice-sheets of Iceland, produced whilst on a 'Frontiers in Retreat' residency in Seyðisfjörður in 2016. www.frontiersinretreat.org/artists/richard_skelton Front Variations is composed from sine waves subjected to increasing amounts of feedback in order to simulate the so-called 'ice-albedo' feedback mechanism. This is the process whereby the action of melting glaciers reduces the global surface area of ice, thereby reducing the amount of solar radiation that glaciers reflect, which in turn increases global temperatures and causes further glacial melting. Ring modulation and distortion were also used to further deteriorate the sound signal. Front Variations is also available as part of Quoin 4 - the annual publication for friends and patrons of Corbel Stone Press. Quoin 4 features data collected by the World Glacier Monitoring Service and aerial photography of arctic glaciers from the US Naval Oceanographic Office.
www.frontiersinretreat.org/artists/richard_skelton
Front Variations is composed from sine waves subjected to increasing amounts of feedback in order to simulate the so-called 'ice-albedo' feedback mechanism.
This is the process whereby the action of melting glaciers reduces the global surface area of ice, thereby reducing the amount of solar radiation that glaciers reflect, which in turn increases global temperatures and causes further glacial melting.
Ring modulation and distortion were also used to further deteriorate the sound signal.
Front Variations is also available as part of Quoin 4 - the annual publication for friends and patrons of Corbel Stone Press. Quoin 4 features data collected by the World Glacier Monitoring Service and aerial photography of arctic glaciers from the US Naval Oceanographic Office.
https://aeolian.bandcamp.com/album/front-variations-one-two
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Saturday, 1 June 2019 15:54 (six years ago)
Kyle Bobby Dunn - From Here To Eternity
just came out, and it's really good
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Saturday, 1 June 2019 16:56 (six years ago)
The Buddha Machine is not a record, so it's not eligible, sorry.― Tuomas, Saturday, June 1, 2019 2:59 AM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Tuomas, Saturday, June 1, 2019 2:59 AM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This is an absolute horseshit decision, you can listen to it on spotify*
https://open.spotify.com/album/7COTnWvHjhkq10ph3q4xH4?si=koVhRwTiQLmeodVPb4NbMg
*also thanks for spending an insane amount of your free time on this internet poll for my enjoyment
― Bitch, I Might Be Giants (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 1 June 2019 16:59 (six years ago)
Can I sneak in: M. Geddes Gengras - IshiOmicron - AcrocosmV/A - Plug In + Turn On Vol. 2Skyramps - Days of Thunder (is this ambient?)
― beard papa, Saturday, 1 June 2019 17:01 (six years ago)
lol whiney
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Saturday, 1 June 2019 17:02 (six years ago)
It has an entry on Discogs too, idk what else you need
https://www.discogs.com/FM3-Buddha-Machine/master/517873
― Bitch, I Might Be Giants (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 1 June 2019 17:04 (six years ago)
According to that Discogs tracklist it’s too short!
― Siegbran, Saturday, 1 June 2019 17:32 (six years ago)
Bonus time! I'll submit my final three:
Löwenritter - Prelude: Ten Seconds Before SunriseVangelis - Fais Que Ton Rêve Soit Plus Long Que La NuitCernunnos Woods - Awaken the Empire of Dark Wood
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 1 June 2019 18:19 (six years ago)
Cernunnos Woods, now there’s a name I haven’t heard in over twenty years.
― Siegbran, Saturday, 1 June 2019 22:02 (six years ago)
Great call on Kasumasa Hashimoto, I must revisit his stuff, I love that little boutique label he was on, Noble Records, they have some lovely music, much better than Childisc.
― MaresNest, Saturday, 1 June 2019 22:17 (six years ago)
dark forest ambient! it has some spoken word bits, but then so does the Harold Budd/Clive Wright stuff
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 1 June 2019 22:19 (six years ago)
Dang it *Kazumasa
― MaresNest, Saturday, 1 June 2019 22:20 (six years ago)
was considering Midori Takada's "Through the Looking Glass" but it seemed a bit too dynamic.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 1 June 2019 22:23 (six years ago)
Kazumasa Hashimoto can be a bit twee but I find it delicate and poignant at its best. I don't want to discriminate but it seems like the urge to sweeten the mood is a common strain in much of the Japanese electronic music I've heard. There's a Japanese artist called Pass Into Silence who's made releases on Kompakt, the songs are some of the most exquisite ambient creations ever (I'm not so familiar with LPs). But it definitely has a lullaby quality about it.
MaresNest, what else do you especially like on Noble Records?
― viborg, Saturday, 1 June 2019 23:00 (six years ago)
Saw1
― kraudive, Saturday, 1 June 2019 23:05 (six years ago)
I find that Japanese musicians have a hard time making garden variety flat-line ambient or drone, they like to add more movement in there than is common sometimes adding more unusual chords and so on...
For noble records, I would recommend maybe Cinq, Midori Hirano, World's End Girlfriend, oh and Yasushi Yoshida especially.
― MaresNest, Saturday, 1 June 2019 23:08 (six years ago)
I have an urge to embitter the mood, but still keep it sweet, like a foodie dark chocolate bar.
― Sassy Boutonnière (ledriver), Sunday, 2 June 2019 05:39 (six years ago)
Spotify playlist not *quite* three weeks long. Its growth really slooowwwwed in the last few days, with all the retractions and generous helpings of not-on-Spotify stuff.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 2 June 2019 07:27 (six years ago)
After consideration, I'm gonna allow the Buddha Machine in the poll. It's true that the individual loops only amount to 3 minutes of playing time, but on obviously the way it works means the music goes on as long as you want. And it certainly meets both the functional and aesthetic definition of ambient music perfectly.
― Tuomas, Sunday, 2 June 2019 11:21 (six years ago)
The nominations are now closed, thanks to everyone for nomming such cool stuff! I'll finish the album sheet and probably will start the voting thread later today.
― Tuomas, Sunday, 2 June 2019 11:23 (six years ago)
Thats too bad I forgot to nominate my refrigerator, it makes a very pleasant hum.
― Siegbran, Sunday, 2 June 2019 12:38 (six years ago)
Eh I find your fridge to be a bit cold and empty with just a few stale old reheated ideas. Never enough to chew on and yet I keep coming back to it thinking there’ll be something new.
― Evan, Sunday, 2 June 2019 13:20 (six years ago)
Fair enough, I retract the fridge.
― Siegbran, Sunday, 2 June 2019 14:10 (six years ago)
Lots of found fridge sounds among the current noms tbf.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 2 June 2019 14:12 (six years ago)
ILX AMBIENT ALBUMS POLL: the voting thread. Voting ends on Sunday, June 23rd.
― Tuomas, Sunday, 2 June 2019 14:22 (six years ago)
Woooooo!
― Bitch, I Might Be Giants (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 2 June 2019 15:38 (six years ago)
I haven't got a chuffing CLUE about how to rank my choices. Might have to go unweighted for the first time ever.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Sunday, 2 June 2019 15:52 (six years ago)
Weighting feels very counter to the ambient spirit ;-)
― specific goats my way (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 2 June 2019 17:04 (six years ago)
XP - Rothko at the top plz :)
― MaresNest, Sunday, 2 June 2019 19:10 (six years ago)
Can I at least hear the fridge to judge for myself before it's denommed to the abyss?
― Sassy Boutonnière (ledriver), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 03:51 (six years ago)
of course, it's playing right now, you just have to listen for it ... very carefully
― but everybody calls me, (lukas), Thursday, 6 June 2019 13:25 (six years ago)