Dominique Leone and Ryan Pitchfork I'MA CALLIN' YOU OUT!

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GHOST IN THE MACHINE OVER DIRTY MIND ?!!! IMA KILL YOU!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 04:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Alert the Hague - http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/top/80s/index2.shtml

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 04:53 (twenty-three years ago)

haha i love how our beloved mark richard-san sneaks in e2-e4 (kinda overrated anyway what w/the treacly santana guitar dribbled over the end...what, no cybotron or daf?) and the next record...THEY MIGHT BE GIANTS.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Every record on that list is either ranked too high or too low. Sub-trifean at best.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Weird. The timing made me assume that Pitchfork had set about revising their canon (in light of post-punk, electroclash, discover/rooty, etc.) but it seems as though the canon has survived mostly unscathed.

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:05 (twenty-three years ago)

If by 'the canon' you mean 'the Police' then yeah.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:06 (twenty-three years ago)

heehee, i know what the top five are, shall i reveal on this thread and blow their wad for them?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:08 (twenty-three years ago)

bluebell knoll over treasure? i think not

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:09 (twenty-three years ago)

1. The Dream of the Blue Turtles

2. Zenyatta Mondatta

3. ...Nothing Like the Sun

4. It takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back

5. Every Breath You Take: The Singles

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Do it jess, make us fall in love with you all over again.

Jess revival in 2003!

― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:10 (twenty-three years ago)

james i kiss you.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:11 (twenty-three years ago)

anyway, i was sworn to death by ethiopian leg lock by a certain heavenly listening, chicago resident who shall remain nameless if i posted the list.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:16 (twenty-three years ago)

I just want to say that the little blurb on the Leonard Cohen record (?!?!?!?!?!?) is one of the funniest things I've ever read not written by Gavin of Stylus Magazine fame.

"Yet who else sings lines as piercing as "It's Father's Day and everybody's wounded," or, "Let me be somebody I admire"?"

Hahaha "IT'S FATHER'S DAY AND EVERYBODY'S WOUNDED". God that is fucking deep!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:16 (twenty-three years ago)

If the #1 record is NOT Daydream Nation by Sonic Youth then Pitchfork will have completely failed in their quest to be as boring as humanly fucking possible.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:18 (twenty-three years ago)

That's okay, reading The Dream of the Blue Turtles and nearly choking on a glass of water made up for it.

― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:20 (twenty-three years ago)

the absolute BEST is the sting behind the music when he says "dream of the blue turtles" over and over and over in that very dry, soft, serious sting-way.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:21 (twenty-three years ago)

like "come to Butthead"?

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Mr. Krushchev said we will bury you
I don't subscribe to this point of view

― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:22 (twenty-three years ago)

"a certain heavenly listening, chicago resident" - Brian Urlacher?

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:23 (twenty-three years ago)

I WONDER WHAT NUMBER ONE WILL BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
?????????????????????????????????????????????
~!@!@#!!@!@!@@!!@!@!@!@#!@!@

― d k (d k), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:24 (twenty-three years ago)

also, branford marsalis talking about the shit that sting got for his ALL BLACK BAND. yes, anyone who said that the days of the firebrands of 60s jazz black nationalism were dead never dug on "fields of gold."

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't hate on Branford too much; he did that great solo over the film version of "Fight the Power" and used to play "Black Dog" when he was the bandleader on the Tonight Show. Plus he never laughed at Leno's jokes.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:27 (twenty-three years ago)

shit, i forgot that was branford on "ftp".

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:29 (twenty-three years ago)

also, he gave the david s ware quartet enough money to release an album with a sub-talvin singh cover.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:30 (twenty-three years ago)

plus "Buckshot Lefonque", oh, wait

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:31 (twenty-three years ago)

branford
A) rules
B) was in stings band way before 'fields of gold'
C) actually made sting's band sound GOOD

― chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:32 (twenty-three years ago)

(josh has asked me to clarify that he didn't just hand david ware a big sack with a dollar sign on it, but via the record company he was A&R for.)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:33 (twenty-three years ago)

jess I kiss you

― Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:34 (twenty-three years ago)

up next: pitchfork's season at the lincoln jazz center

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Branford showed a lot of visible contempt and disgust for Leno, which was cool.

Why he didn't show a similar lack of enthusiasm for the poet in the red leather thong, the world may never know...

― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:35 (twenty-three years ago)

"top 100 lefty white guys playing jittery new wave reggae of the 80s"

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Plus: Branford played on Shanice's "I Love Your Smile"

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:37 (twenty-three years ago)

my contempt grows ever outward like ripples in a tide pool.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:38 (twenty-three years ago)

But anyway...GHOST IN THE MACHINE OVER DIRTY MIND?!!!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:39 (twenty-three years ago)

When is Ethan going to be here to talk about how there are as MANY Police (JESUS!), Meat Puppets (WTF?), Mekons (GOOD LORD) and ELVIS COSTELLO (KILL ME NOW) records as there are HIP HOP records on this LIST? WHERE ARE YOU ETHAN?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:42 (twenty-three years ago)

This is what the pitchfork top album award statuettes will look like.

― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:45 (twenty-three years ago)

An error page?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:45 (twenty-three years ago)

sam chennault is ethan with the lowjack turned on so schrieber can reign him in when necessary.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:46 (twenty-three years ago)

It's all these browser conflicts, innit?

― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I didn't tell you the top five, Jess! I only guided you to guess the #1, which I think anyone who's ever read Pitchfork should be able to get right in two to five tries.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:54 (twenty-three years ago)

IN THAT CASE:

#5 - Public Enemy - It Takes White Boys To Keep Us In Print
#4 - Pixies - Papa Ooh Mau Mau
#3 - Sonic Youth - Sister
#2 - Pixies - Doolittle
#1 - Sting - Dream of the Blue Turtles

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 05:58 (twenty-three years ago)

What?!?!? No Phil Collins?!?!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:01 (twenty-three years ago)

#6 - Mike And The Mechanics

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:01 (twenty-three years ago)

And where is DIRE STRAITS dammit?!?!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:02 (twenty-three years ago)

#7 - V/A - UHF o.s.t.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Repo Man soundtrack in the hizzouse!

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:05 (twenty-three years ago)

#8 Jandek - The Beginning

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:05 (twenty-three years ago)

#9 Whitney Houston - Whitney Houston

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:07 (twenty-three years ago)

#8 - token native tongues record

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:07 (twenty-three years ago)

#11 - derek bailey - aida

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:07 (twenty-three years ago)

#12 - cheap trick - the dream police

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:09 (twenty-three years ago)

#13 Bad Brains - Bad Brains

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:09 (twenty-three years ago)

#14 - conlon nancarrow - studies for player piano

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:10 (twenty-three years ago)

#15 Iron Maiden - Powerslave

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:10 (twenty-three years ago)

#16 - fingers inc. - another side

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:11 (twenty-three years ago)

#8 - token native tongues record

how high is the water, mama?

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:12 (twenty-three years ago)

#17 Tangerine Dream - Legend: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:12 (twenty-three years ago)

#17 - christian marclay - record without a cover

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:12 (twenty-three years ago)

#19 - human league - dare

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:14 (twenty-three years ago)

"top 100 lefty white guys playing jittery new wave reggae of the 80s" - on this note, #8 - Men At Work - Cargo

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:15 (twenty-three years ago)

#20 - mantronix - the album

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:15 (twenty-three years ago)

#21 - the beat - the one with "save it for later" on there

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:16 (twenty-three years ago)

#22 Starship - Knee Deep in the Hoopla

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:16 (twenty-three years ago)

#23 Gregory Isaacs - Night Nurse

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:17 (twenty-three years ago)

#24 - Mannequin OST

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:18 (twenty-three years ago)

#25 John Zorn - Spillane

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:18 (twenty-three years ago)

#26 Steve Earle - Copperhead Road

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:19 (twenty-three years ago)

#27 Go Betweens - Spring Hill Fair

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:19 (twenty-three years ago)

#27 - einsturzende neubauten - kollaps

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:19 (twenty-three years ago)

#28 - schooly d - saturday night: the album

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:20 (twenty-three years ago)

#29 - king sunny ade - juju music

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:21 (twenty-three years ago)

#31 Kenny Rogers - Eyes That See in the Dark

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:21 (twenty-three years ago)

#32 David Byrne - Rei Momo

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:22 (twenty-three years ago)

#30 - new order - power, corruption, & lies

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:23 (twenty-three years ago)

#33 toto - africa

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:23 (twenty-three years ago)

#35 New Kids on the Block - Hanging Tough!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:24 (twenty-three years ago)

#34 - Koyannisqatsi OST

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:24 (twenty-three years ago)

#36 prince - around the world in a day

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:24 (twenty-three years ago)

#37 The Clash - Cut the Crap

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:24 (twenty-three years ago)

sigh.

anyway the real loss is teena marie & rick james & cyndi lauper & tiffany & paula abdoul & janet jackson & man how much pop-guilt did that "maybe this is like praising N'Sync in 10 years" (anyway it's "N*Sync" fuXoRs) Duran Duran entry have?

i can't argue with some of the costello & fall & mekons choices except that they're mainly the wrong ones and that probably just means they're be twice as many in the next section. (NB: I own most of the back catalog of costello & about half of the fall and mekons) oh yes and no Lou Reed "Growing Up In Public"! If they put "New York" on I will be very bored. In fact the only reed album on there should be "Mistrial" and it would MAKE THE LIST.

Also, how fucking cool would a list be which ONLY had mekons records on it?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:25 (twenty-three years ago)

#38 - Artists Against Apartheid - Sun City

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:25 (twenty-three years ago)

#39 ABC - Lexicon of Love

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:25 (twenty-three years ago)

#39 - slayer - reign in blood

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Sterling Clover = Lester Bangs?

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:26 (twenty-three years ago)

#40 Pop Group - We Are All Prostitutes

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:26 (twenty-three years ago)

#41 - Midnight Oil - Diesel & Dust

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:27 (twenty-three years ago)

#42 - motley crue - shout at the devil

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:27 (twenty-three years ago)

#43 - Descendants - Milo Goes to College

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:28 (twenty-three years ago)

#43 Rolling Stones - Tattoo You

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:28 (twenty-three years ago)

#45 - Ice-T - Freedom of Speech...

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:29 (twenty-three years ago)

#46 Shannon - Let the Music Play

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:29 (twenty-three years ago)

#47 - Peter Gabriel - Passion

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:30 (twenty-three years ago)

#48 soul II soul - keep on movin

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:30 (twenty-three years ago)

#50 MICHAEL JACKSON - THRILLER!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:31 (twenty-three years ago)

OH NO! I was too quick hahaha

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:32 (twenty-three years ago)

#49 simply red - picture book

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:32 (twenty-three years ago)

#51 - george clinton - atomic dog

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:33 (twenty-three years ago)

#52 - Heart - Bad Animals

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:34 (twenty-three years ago)

#53 - v/a - cocktail o.s.t.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:34 (twenty-three years ago)

#53 Bob Dylan - Saved

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:34 (twenty-three years ago)

#53- v/a freedom rock

― chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:34 (twenty-three years ago)

#54 - Sting - Bring On the Night OST

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:35 (twenty-three years ago)

#56 - David Lee Roth - Eat 'Em And Smile

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:35 (twenty-three years ago)

#57 - michael bolton - soul provider

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:36 (twenty-three years ago)

#58 Napalm Death - Scum

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Jess you are so right about the Soul II Soul.

No New Edition though?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:37 (twenty-three years ago)

#59 - miami sound machine - primitive love

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:38 (twenty-three years ago)

#60 - force md's - chillin

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:39 (twenty-three years ago)

#61 Dread Zeppellin - 5,000,000

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:40 (twenty-three years ago)

#63 Stetsasonic - In Full Gear

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:40 (twenty-three years ago)

#62 - John Lennon & Yoko Ono - Double Fantasy

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Or Vandross?

Or 80s Beefheart?

Oh oh "Cocomo"!

MC Skat Kat!

MC Lyte.

and 2 motherfucking Live Crew.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:41 (twenty-three years ago)

#64 Hanoi Rocks - Bangkok Rocks Saigon Shakes

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:41 (twenty-three years ago)

#61 - jonathan harvey - bhakti

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:42 (twenty-three years ago)

#63 - 2 Live Crew - the one with "Heeeeyyy, we want some pussssy"

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:42 (twenty-three years ago)

#65 - Red Hot Chilli Peppers - Uplift Mofo Party Plan

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:43 (twenty-three years ago)

#67 - janet - control

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:43 (twenty-three years ago)

#66 - Paul McCartney - Press

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:43 (twenty-three years ago)

#67 - Lucinda Williams - s/t

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:44 (twenty-three years ago)

shit

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:45 (twenty-three years ago)

#70 - malcom mcclaren - duck rock

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:45 (twenty-three years ago)

#71 808 State - Newbuild

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:45 (twenty-three years ago)

don't worry baby, i keep the rhythm

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:45 (twenty-three years ago)

#69 - Black Flag - My War

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:46 (twenty-three years ago)

#72 - merzbow - nil vagina tape loops

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:46 (twenty-three years ago)

#74 - brian eno & harold budd - the plateaux of mirrors

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:47 (twenty-three years ago)

#73 - U2 - War

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:47 (twenty-three years ago)

wait, shit that was the 70s wasnt it?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:47 (twenty-three years ago)

#74 - Wynton Marsalis - Standard Time Vol. 1

I think it was the 70s

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:48 (twenty-three years ago)

#75 - The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu (aka the KLF) - 1987: What The Fuck Is Going On?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:49 (twenty-three years ago)

#76 - Pixies - Surfer Rosa (How'd that happen?!!!)

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:49 (twenty-three years ago)

#77 Tiffany - Tiffany

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:50 (twenty-three years ago)

#77 - ry cooder - paris, texas

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:50 (twenty-three years ago)

#78 - Morrissey - Viva Hate

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:50 (twenty-three years ago)

#79 Voivod - Nothingface

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:50 (twenty-three years ago)

#80 - The Lost Boys OST

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:51 (twenty-three years ago)

#81 Last Exit - Last Exit

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:51 (twenty-three years ago)

#82 - kmfdm - what do you know deutchland?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:51 (twenty-three years ago)

#83 - Happy Mondays - Bummed

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Madonna!?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:52 (twenty-three years ago)

#85 - Billy Ocean - ...Suddenly

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:53 (twenty-three years ago)

#86 Neil Diamond - The Jazz Singer

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:53 (twenty-three years ago)

#87 - Bob Mould - Workbook

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:53 (twenty-three years ago)

#88 - Dreams So Real - Rough Night in Jehrico

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:54 (twenty-three years ago)

#89 Latoya Jackson - Bad Girl

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:55 (twenty-three years ago)

#90 Loop - Heaven's End

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:55 (twenty-three years ago)

#90 - Mojo Nixon - Bo-Day-Shus

― chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:55 (twenty-three years ago)

#91 - Neil Young - Freedom

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:56 (twenty-three years ago)

#92 - Billy Bragg - Talking to the Taxman...

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:57 (twenty-three years ago)

#93 - the fire engines - get up and use me!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 06:59 (twenty-three years ago)

#94 - Patti Smith - Dreams of Life

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 07:00 (twenty-three years ago)

#95 Firehose - Ragin' Full On

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 07:01 (twenty-three years ago)

#96 - Talking Heads - Little Creatures

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 07:01 (twenty-three years ago)

#97 Beatles - Revolver

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 07:01 (twenty-three years ago)

#98 - dome - dome 3

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 07:01 (twenty-three years ago)

#99 - Jackson Browne - Lives In the Balance

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 07:02 (twenty-three years ago)

#100 - prince - purple rain

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 07:02 (twenty-three years ago)

man, the 80s were great. i'm going to bed.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 07:02 (twenty-three years ago)

This would be a great list if it weren't for U2 hahaha

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 07:03 (twenty-three years ago)

#1 - Sting - Dream of the Blue Turtles
#2 - Pixies - Doolittle
#3 - Sonic Youth - Sister
#4 - Pixies - Papa Ooh Mau Mau
#5 - Public Enemy - It Takes White Boys To Keep Us In Print
#6 - Mike And The Mechanics
#7 - V/A - UHF o.s.t.
#8 Jandek - The Beginning
#9 Whitney Houston - Whitney Houston
#10 - token native tongues record
#11 - derek bailey - aida
#12 - cheap trick - the dream police
#13 Bad Brains - Bad Brains
#14 - conlon nancarrow - studies for player piano
#15 Iron Maiden - Powerslave
#16 - fingers inc. - another side
#17 Tangerine Dream - Legend: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack
#18 - christian marclay - record without a cover
#19 - human league - dare
#20 - mantronix - the album
#21 - the beat - the one with "save it for later" on there
#22 Starship - Knee Deep in the Hoopla
#23 Gregory Isaacs - Night Nurse
#24 - Mannequin OST
#25 John Zorn - Spillane
#26 Steve Earle - Copperhead Road
#27 Go Betweens - Spring Hill Fair
#28 - einsturzende neubauten - kollaps
#29 - schooly d - saturday night: the album
#30 - king sunny ade - juju music
#31 Kenny Rogers - Eyes That See in the Dark
#32 David Byrne - Rei Momo
#33 - new order - power, corruption, & lies
#34 toto - africa
#35 New Kids on the Block - Hanging Tough!
#36 - Koyannisqatsi OST
#37 prince - around the world in a day
#38 The Clash - Cut the Crap
#39 - Artists Against Apartheid - Sun City
#40 ABC - Lexicon of Love
#41 - slayer - reign in blood
Sterling Clover = Lester Bangs?
#42 Pop Group - We Are All Prostitutes
#43 - Midnight Oil - Diesel & Dust
#44 - motley crue - shout at the devil
#45 - Descendants - Milo Goes to College
#46 Rolling Stones - Tattoo You
#47 - Ice-T - Freedom of Speech...
#48 Shannon - Let the Music Play
#49 - Peter Gabriel - Passion
#50 MICHAEL JACKSON - THRILLER!
#51 soul II soul - keep on movin
#51 simply red - picture book
#51 - george clinton - atomic dog
#52 - Heart - Bad Animals
#53 - v/a - cocktail o.s.t.
#53 Bob Dylan - Saved
#53- v/a freedom rock
#54 - Sting - Bring On the Night OST
#55 Left Blank For Political Reasons
#56 - David Lee Roth - Eat 'Em And Smile
#57 - michael bolton - soul provider
#58 Napalm Death - Scum
#59 - miami sound machine - primitive love
#60 - force md's - chillin
#61 Dread Zeppellin - 5,000,000
#61 - jonathan harvey - bhakti
#62 Stetsasonic - In Full Gear
#63 - John Lennon & Yoko Ono - Double Fantasy
#64 Hanoi Rocks - Bangkok Rocks Saigon Shakes
#65 - 2 Live Crew - the one with "Heeeeyyy, we want some pussssy"
#66 - Red Hot Chilli Peppers - Uplift Mofo Party Plan
#67 - janet - control
#68 - Paul McCartney - Press
#69 - Lucinda Williams - s/t
#70 - malcom mcclaren - duck rock
#71 808 State - Newbuild
#72 - Black Flag - My War
#73 - merzbow - nil vagina tape loops
#74 - brian eno & harold budd - the plateaux of mirrors (disqualified)
#74 - U2 - War
#75 - Wynton Marsalis - Standard Time Vol. 1
#76 - The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu (aka the KLF) - 1987: What The Fuck Is Going On?
#77 - Pixies - Surfer Rosa (How'd that happen?!!!)
#78 Tiffany - Tiffany
#79 - ry cooder - paris, texas
#80 - Morrissey - Viva Hate
#81 Voivod - Nothingface
#82 - The Lost Boys OST
#83 Last Exit - Last Exit
#84 - kmfdm - what do you know deutchland?
#85 - Happy Mondays - Bummed
#86 - Billy Ocean - ...Suddenly
#87 Neil Diamond - The Jazz Singer
#88 - Bob Mould - Workbook
#89 - Dreams So Real - Rough Night in Jehrico
#90 Latoya Jackson - Bad Girl
#91 Loop - Heaven's End
#92 - Mojo Nixon - Bo-Day-Shus
#93 - Neil Young - Freedom
#94 - Billy Bragg - Talking to the Taxman...
#95 - the fire engines - get up and use me!
#96 - Patti Smith - Dreams of Life
#97 Firehose - Ragin' Full On
#98 - Talking Heads - Little Creatures
#99 Beatles - Revolver (disqualified)
#99 - dome - dome 3
#100 - Jackson Browne - Lives In the Balance
#100 - prince - purple rain

In a slightly less silly format!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 07:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I smell a Spin cover!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 07:23 (twenty-three years ago)

BEST THREAD EVER!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 09:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Re: 3 Feet High... (token native tongues record)

Hey Sam,

That's Trugoy, not "Trogey."

― JS Williams (js williams), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 10:47 (twenty-three years ago)

damn you ppl left me out. 'aida' is #1 of course!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 10:49 (twenty-three years ago)

okay, I'm a thick Brit, but "papa ooh mau mau" = ???

― Jeff W (Jeff W), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 11:13 (twenty-three years ago)

My god, what all happened after I went to bed?!

Anyhow, hold yr breath, #1-#50 have been posted on Pfork...

― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 11:26 (twenty-three years ago)

and here's the top 10:

10. joy division - closer
9. public enemy - it takes a nation of millions...
8. tom waits - rain dogs
7. pixies - surfer rosa
6. the smiths - the queen is dead
5. rem - murmur
4, pixies - doolittle
3. beastie boys - paul's boutique
2. talking heads - remain in light
1. sonic youth - daydream nation

― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 11:33 (twenty-three years ago)

(Alex, you bastahd, this is why you don't IM me anymore. hah!)

― nathalie (nathalie), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 11:53 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, and what crap!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 11:53 (twenty-three years ago)

My god, what all happened after I went to bed?!

Let me second that one. Dear heavens, did I miss some ridiculous joy.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 11:58 (twenty-three years ago)

"But really, the reason I like Daydream Nation better than anything else spawned between 1980-89 is that, hell, it's just the greatest fucking album."

― zebedee (Jeff W), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 12:06 (twenty-three years ago)

As in "album to fuck to"?

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 12:13 (twenty-three years ago)

"But really, the reason I like Daydream Nation better than anything else spawned between 1980-89 is that, hell, it's just the greatest fucking album."

Yeah, that's extremely articulate, guys. For pitchfork, really.

― V, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 12:21 (twenty-three years ago)

James and Jess are my nu-gods.

― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 13:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't blame me, I had The Visitors and Art Bears over both.

― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 13:33 (twenty-three years ago)

damn it! I go to sleep at a sensible time for once and I don't even get to participate in the listmaking! AAAAHHHH!!!!!

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 13:52 (twenty-three years ago)

About my feelings, Michelangelo. I think we should create our own in response to all this rubbish. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 14:04 (twenty-three years ago)

No one on this board, nor Pitchfork's staff mentioned my #1 album of the 1980s: INXS' Kick, nor George Michael's Faith, which I had at #16. For shame - don't you realize the obvious is still the new arcane??! It hasn't changed back yet, has it Jess/Tom?

― Chris Ott, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 15:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Uh-oh.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 17:20 (twenty-three years ago)

All I gotta say is this thread's title made me laugh harder than any other. Then again, any reference to Ryan Pitchfork makes me laugh pretty hard. Jann S. Wenner 2000, in the worst way.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 17:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm referring to critical acumen, not publishing, mind you.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 17:26 (twenty-three years ago)

"Just as the African-American Gwendolyn Brooks opened up doors for poetry, allowing epics to be written about dehumanizing Chicago tenements, the Beasties expanded hip-hop's domain to namecheck Salinger, Dickens, Galileo, and Newton."

― Kris (aqueduct), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 17:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't even have a joke here...

― Kris (aqueduct), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 17:54 (twenty-three years ago)

i can't believe you all left out 'leather boyz with electric toyz'

― maura (maura), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Who are making noyz tonight, TONIGHT!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:10 (twenty-three years ago)

I love (read: intensely dislike) the way that they list the lesser (so-called) works of all their favorite artists and justify it as "containing seeds of future greatness".

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:27 (twenty-three years ago)

good thing Pitchfork is there to notice Murmur, because as they put it, it was "not widely noticed when it was released," which must have been why it came in second in the Pazz & Jop that year! (also, Daydream Nation came out in 1988, not 1987)

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:38 (twenty-three years ago)

It went gold in that first year also, which means it outsold 8 of that top ten initially.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:43 (twenty-three years ago)

"Pitchfork: recycling indie culture fallacies 10 years past their sell-by, so you don't have to."

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:51 (twenty-three years ago)

(wish I'd come in on all this earlier, but hey)

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:51 (twenty-three years ago)

also, you guys might be interested to know that not many people heard the velvet underground on first release, but everyone who did started a band.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:52 (twenty-three years ago)

(also: i got hate mail for this thread today! [i almost didn't see it cuz it ended up in my trash folder.])

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:53 (twenty-three years ago)

you're kidding! really?

hey, any truth to the rumor that Eno is god?

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:53 (twenty-three years ago)

better him than clapton, dude!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:54 (twenty-three years ago)

hey, better anyone than Clapton! because as long as we're recycling indie-cultural fallacies....

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:54 (twenty-three years ago)

(nb: i hate clapton too, but i'm in "character" here, for the sake of argument.)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:55 (twenty-three years ago)

[yes, I figured; and ditto]

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:56 (twenty-three years ago)

but one thing you can say about Clapton: at least he Plays A Real Instrument!

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:57 (twenty-three years ago)

this is getting confusing...i don't know who to hate and why anymore!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:58 (twenty-three years ago)

wow, Jess--you've carried the Indie Fallacy to its logical end in just a handful of posts! congratulations!

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I have 4 of those records.

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:00 (twenty-three years ago)

the ones on the Pitchfork list or the one made on this thread?

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I like clapton. Seriously. Like Cream and Layla era. It's just really nice. He makes pretty music, y'know?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:02 (twenty-three years ago)

I prefer the list on this thread, as it has Slayer and Iron Maiden.

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree w/Sterling but see role-playing above

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:05 (twenty-three years ago)

(the ones on pitchfork! I have 5 from this thread, but more greatest hits by artists mentioned)

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:05 (twenty-three years ago)

He makes pretty music, y'know?

Pretty Claptons Make Graves

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:51 (twenty-three years ago)

If not for my owning only one REM album, zero Replacements and zero Police albums, I might be walking tall at 100/100. As it is, I'm missing 23. (That's counting, like, ESG's 'South Bronx Story' and Minor Threat's 'Complete Discography'.)

― Curt (cgould), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Pity Tom missed the hubub -- where's he been through all this?

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 21:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree w/ Sterling abt the Mekons.

"Too much Sam and Dave."

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 22:21 (twenty-three years ago)

OH NO! THAT FUCKER JESS HARVELL swallows PITCHFORK! OH NO!!

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 22:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey guys, Pitchfork is being weird. Look at its top 10 80s records...

10.That Fucker Jess Harvell "That Fucker Jess Harvell"
9.That Fucker Jess Harvell "It That Fucker Jess Harvell a That Fucker Jess Harvell of That Fucker Jess Harvell to Hold Us Back"
8.That Fucker Jess Harvell "That Fucker Jess Harvell"
7.That Fucker Jess Harvell "That Fucker Jess Harvell"
6.The That Fucker Jess Harvell "The That Fucker Jess Harvell Is Dead"
5.R.E.M. "That Fucker Jess Harvell"
4.That Fucker Jess Harvell "That Fucker Jess Harvell"
3.That Fucker Jess Harvell "Paul's That Fucker Jess Harvell"
2.That Fucker Jess Harvell "That Fucker Jess Harvell in That Fucker Jess Harvell"
1.That Fucker Jess Harvell "That Fucker Jess Harvell"

Question... who's That Fucker Jess Harvell?

― That Fucker Jess Harvell (donut), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 22:47 (twenty-three years ago)

i kiss you.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 22:47 (twenty-three years ago)

maybe he's one of the guys in guns and roses?

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 22:49 (twenty-three years ago)

mark, surely you mean Guns N' That Fucker Jess Harvell

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 22:50 (twenty-three years ago)

jess- I don't think you need a job. we need you here!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 22:56 (twenty-three years ago)

GOLD!! PURE GOLD!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 00:23 (twenty-three years ago)

"Let me put it this way: if not for Doolittle, there would be no Pitchfork."

And without PITCHFORK well then humor would DIE!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 00:25 (twenty-three years ago)

There's something very funny about Sterling having to say "Seriously" after stating that he likes Cream and "Layla"-era Clapton.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 00:27 (twenty-three years ago)

"As the 1970s gave way to the 1980s, the Talking Heads found themselves at an awkward time: after punk, which they were at first associated with, had become synonymous with three chords and a sneer, but before the arrival of new wave."

Hahahahahahaha. It was an awkward time for musicians EVERYWHERE!! How could they overcome these awful awful genre constraints?!?!?!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 00:29 (twenty-three years ago)

"Hipsters the world over have tried to assert that, of The Perfect Prescription and Playing with Fire, the latter is Spacemen 3's landmark achievement. You will never tell me this and escape unscathed."

Hahaha I just read this one (it may be my favorite)! And it's a fucking warning motherfuckers! Unless you want to be one scathed hipster, you'd best not underestimate THE PERFECT PRESCRIPTION when you are around RYAN!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 01:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey Alex in SF, from the moment you misinterpreted the Leonard Cohen sentence (about intonation) to be about "depth of meaning," your comments on this thread have been pretty weak, man. Well, I'll make an exception for the Beasties dig -- I'm all for treating them as silly as they were, form fits function and all that. But otherwise, where's the beef? It's one thing for someone like Jess, who's actually got something to say about proportionality and the canon. It's another thing to jump for the bandwagon and fall on your face instead.

I say this not defensively, cuz, I mean, you're lobbing peanut shells. But if you're going to be a smartass, offer some actual criticism. If you're reading Ryan's comments to be genuinely threatening in that blurb, you're reeeaching. The tone seems obviously playful, to me ... and more successfully so than yours.

― Dare, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 04:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Dare - if you think Alex is reading Ryan's comments to be genuinely threatening in that blurb, you're cluuuuueless.

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 04:33 (twenty-three years ago)

the canon? - so Ryan Pitchfork really does want to be Jann Wenner? Does that make you Ben Fong-Torres or Cameron Crowe? Or does it make you Boz Scaggs, someone who's just very, very lucky to be along for the ride?

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 04:35 (twenty-three years ago)

"But if you're going to be a smartass, offer some actual criticism." = if you're not going to take me seriously, take me seriously.

"I say this not defensively..." = bullshit

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 04:38 (twenty-three years ago)

"I say this not defensively" = I'm not trying to raise a line of defense from his comments, so much as just wondering where it's all leading ... and likewise, "offer some actual criticism" as an expression of my own personal desire for it to lead to critical feedback. Obviously it's his prerogative; if he wants to point and giggle, he will.

― Dare, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 04:42 (twenty-three years ago)

P.S. - Pitchfork is OK in my book, nice enough newswire, they give Trife a much needed venue, provide presskit fodder for plenty of bands and labels who deserve at least that much, the ads are cheap enough that Orange Twin and Cloud can afford them, which is good value for the money considering how much they own said labels target audience, but the reviews tend to be worthless - too much of that "gimme one shot at the Show" desperation and earnestness you get in independent minor leagues. Occasionally some worth reading AND taking seriously will pop up in it - there's plenty of ILXors who've written great stuff for it to attest to that (I'm looking at you Dominique Leone, Sting notwithstanding) - but this little piece of canonmaking (coming three years after 1999: the Year of the List) isn't one of them. Sorry if Alex's (or my) "arguments" against it weren't weighty enough for you. If this thing pops up in Criterion or the New York Review of Books I'll try harder I promise.

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 04:48 (twenty-three years ago)

so, in other words, when it's canonized.

― Dare, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 04:56 (twenty-three years ago)

when it actually manages to spend more than five seconds on an editor's desk before it gets rubber stamped more like it

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 04:58 (twenty-three years ago)

ok, in all seriousness, what should be in the top ten of the eighties? i really dont have much from the eighties and dont know what i should start with. what do you folks think?

― todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 05:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ooooh i love you too jb you wanna hook up sometime this week

― s trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 05:00 (twenty-three years ago)

no im 4real but like email me cuz im going out now

― s trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 05:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh-kay, so I just gotta ask the OBVIOUS fucking question: IF that Leonard Cohen quote was all about intonation then what fucking difference did the lyrics make? Why even bother quoting them? Did someone else sing the lines "It's Father's Day and everybody's wounded" or "Let me be somebod I admire" and DID they not sound as "piercing" when they sang them? Don't play freshman English semantics with me, Chris. If I misinterpreted the reviewer's original intent (and I'm not so sure I did, but I offer it as a possiblity) then I did so because he so generously left himself open to such misinterpretation.

As for the rest of your critique, Chris, hahaha well we can't all be Jess now can we? I'll keep doing what I do (being amused by the endless amount of hysterically bad music criticism which is available for FREE on the world wide web and making snide comments about said criticism) and you can keep doing what you do (writing that criticism and being annoyed by assholes like ME who just don't understand). Okay, maaaaan.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 05:04 (twenty-three years ago)

todd: to be honest I've seen worse lists than Pitchfork's *ducks*

trife: where, when?

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 05:08 (twenty-three years ago)

'Top Ten' what? It's all methodology. If you want 'favorites,' just browse through all the threads that have cropped up here on ILM in the past few days. 'Best' involves coming up with criteria: quality, quantity, popularity, past knowledge, forward vision, influence, etc. and those are made problematic by their interrelations: an album full of dance music, to generalize, has a slightly different set of goals than a jazz or metal album.

To toss one into the ring: I'd definitely say "Thriller" matches all of the stuff above.

― Dare, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 05:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Alex, a more general reason for including particular song lyrics (or other succint descriptors) is that they 'strike a chord' -- if you're familiar with the part in question, it suddenly replays itself in your mind. It's an extra-textual effect ... agreeing with the claim is optional, but with the quote (a sample), you've got it cued right up in resident memory.

― Dare, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 05:14 (twenty-three years ago)

But what if you haven't heard the song? "It's Father's Day and everybody's wounded" is a pretty meaningless line outside of the context of "First We Take Manhattan" (which, as far as I can tell, is about the fantasies of an aging ex-revolutionary). And how does one get a sense of the song based upon one odd, not-particularly-quoteworthy lyric and no explanation?

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 05:24 (twenty-three years ago)

* "Leonard Cohen's inflections have a way of working wonders on you, and his lyrics were tight."

* "Leonard Cohen's inflections have a way of working wonders on you, as with the trembling 'nothing like banging your mom in the backseat ... '"

― Dare, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 05:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Haha well the quotes he chose inspired me to laugh hysterically, Chris. They did not cause me ponder how "piercing" they sounded the last time I heard that particular album (which was a long time ago, haha probably when I was a freshman in college). Maybe he should have picked other one if he didn't want to provoke giggles, eh? Unless he wanted me to remember how Cohen's voice made such ridiculous lyrics sound um well jeez like fucking ridiculous lyrics sung by a guy who apparently gargles gravel. In which case, I guess he succeeded, but it doesn't make it any less amusing.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 05:35 (twenty-three years ago)

You make Gottsching sound really good, Mark.

I was listening to that Boredoms album last night.

(Every record ever is better than I'm Your Man BTW.)

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 05:49 (twenty-three years ago)

"his lyrics were tight"

Didn't you say that the LYRICS were largely unimportant and this quote was all about INTONATION? If * #1 is the REAL quote than why is my original laffing at the "deepness" (read: "tightness") so invalid again?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 05:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Where have I been? Avoiding these threads mostly cos I had loads of work to do.

None of the Top 10 albums are bad exactly and many are fabulously good (I haven't actually heard Paul's Boutique all the way through, though). They don't make me want to go and look at Pitchfork's list in any more detail. Ryan has advertisers to please and clearly wanted a few hits; also, list-making is fun - both good reasons for raking over these particular coals. I am delighted though that this list provides further evidence for CONOR'S LAW: "In any given Top 10 poll, the No.9 entry will be the token one."

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 09:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Pitchfor in "not indie enough" shockah.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 20:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, but look at all the metal dudes. How many are jel pseudonyms?

― bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 20:47 (twenty-three years ago)

or siegbran's?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 21:51 (twenty-three years ago)

My favorite letter was the one that started with "You guys ever heard of Peter Gabriel?"

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 22:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I liked that one too.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 22:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I always thought of Leonard Cohen's lyrics as a little funny -- they're funny & serious at the same time. I love the lines cited & they make me laugh. I thought that was the "right" way to hear Leonard Cohen!

― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 21 November 2002 00:03 (twenty-two years ago)

The full quote: "You guys ever heard of Peter Gabriel? He was pretty popular in the '80s and made four great albums...That's where Paul Simon got the idea to steal from African musicians."

yeah! that's telling them! "my favorite musician stole from African musicians first!" show 'em whatcha got!

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 21 November 2002 00:07 (twenty-two years ago)

"WHAT ABOUT 13 MOTHERFUCKING SONGS????!!!!!!!!!?????!!!!"

Since when do Fugazi fans type like Dew-addled Bizkitites?

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Thursday, 21 November 2002 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

A few letters down:

"Anyways, great list! I'm glad you guys are man/woman enough to risk the mockery of the (annoying) hardcore punker set and recognize that Thriller and Purple Rain are both insanely good albums!"

B-B-B-BUT 13 MOTHERFUCKING SONGS, DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Thursday, 21 November 2002 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe cuz Bizkit are Dew-addled Fugazi-ites?

Also, 13 songs is so good that it's absence almost made me write to them in all caps. 'cept I don't give a shit.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 21 November 2002 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

every third indie kid at my school quotes pitchfork like scripture, and internalizes the style so i'm already disaffected by this list.

where are the goddamned bad brains records ?

― mike (ro)bott, Thursday, 21 November 2002 04:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I should read these letters, but I fear that will give grist to the mill of my eventual autobiography, Now Let Us Hate.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 November 2002 06:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey that's Pete Bagge's bio!

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 21 November 2002 06:36 (twenty-two years ago)

What a fine man he is, then! And also one of the best pop music crits around, easy.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 November 2002 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

three months pass...

Ryan is a jackass, that much I know for sure. Anyone who treats potential writers the way he does is not fit to be running a website.

― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 7 March 2003 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)

what brought this up?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 7 March 2003 04:17 (twenty-two years ago)

prime blount.

― g.cannon (gcannon), Friday, 7 March 2003 05:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I never saw this thread before, but I'm thankful for the revival as I got to read that bit about the Peter Gabriel letter! Many laffs ensued.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 7 March 2003 08:18 (twenty-two years ago)

yes this thread is precisely why we need blount back

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 7 March 2003 08:22 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, I agree, he's one of the posters I really enjoy. plus he's always up at an ungodly hour like me.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 7 March 2003 08:33 (twenty-two years ago)

although i shouldn't underestimate the contributions of alex in sf. and of course that fucker (cough cough)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 7 March 2003 08:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh you mean 'Thatfuckerjessharvell'? Yeah he's a fave poster too.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 7 March 2003 08:45 (twenty-two years ago)

what brought this up?

I just heard a horror story yesterday, and I wanted to warn writers out there not to waste their time writing for a publication that would treat people so poorly.

― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 7 March 2003 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)

What was the horror story?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 7 March 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Dish! Dish!

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 7 March 2003 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)

(Nicole, hit me up email-style with the D-I-R-T, yo.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 March 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't want to further upset the person who was dealing with the Pitchfork corny indie motherfucker by spilling the details without their permission, but just consider yourselves warned.

― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 7 March 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Did it involve inappropriate use of a teddy bear?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 March 2003 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

That makes me a sad panda, Dan.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 March 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Has this thread turned into Chunklet now?

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 7 March 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

should we do a best albums of the 90s list?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 7 March 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

(i'm only doing it if blount comes back tho)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 7 March 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

this is my favorite 80s list ever

― strongohulkington, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 13:45 (eighteen years ago)

ten months pass...

PAGING DOMINIQUE LEONE

If your band needs a place to stay in Eugene next Wednesday email me thru here.

― sleeve, Friday, 28 March 2008 02:42 (seventeen years ago)

did Blount ever make Dominique and Ryan their cards?

― Mackro Mackro, Friday, 28 March 2008 04:00 (seventeen years ago)

does dom have a 'band', I thought it was just him?

― akm, Friday, 28 March 2008 04:05 (seventeen years ago)

he's listed as playing with two other people here (i.e playing with him, not on the bill). I actually did a double take at the show listing... "could that be...?" then the bio confirmed it.

― sleeve, Friday, 28 March 2008 14:35 (seventeen years ago)

yes, band is corey fogel (mae shi, gowns, jackie o motherfucker), maryclare brzytwa (fred frith) and curtis mckinney (frith, kevin blechdom)

― Dominique, Friday, 28 March 2008 14:46 (seventeen years ago)

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