Albums you have spurned

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Occasioned by reading the REM Out of Time thread - I like earlier REM, and later REM, but that is the one album I will neither buy nor listen to of theirs, on principle. Other examples - in the late 80s I liked U2 but on hearing Rattle and Hum I not only refused to listen to it, I sold the U2 albums I had. And Nevermind was so ubiquitous that even after being won over by In Utero I still won't have any truck with the big-hit album. The Cure's Wish is another. Dead Can Dance Toward the Within. Often (but not always) when an artist "breaks covenant" and becomes something which taints even their previous work in my mind.
Am I the only uptight perpetual adolescent, or do you have line-in-the-sand albums you will not engage with?

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 26 July 2019 04:36 (six years ago)

What’s the covenant?

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Friday, 26 July 2019 05:26 (six years ago)

I guess the trust you have in them as an artist - like I was proud to be a diehard Cure fan and then when Wish came out I no longer was.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 26 July 2019 05:36 (six years ago)

I guess I’ve gotten off the train with certain artists after bad releases; but I haven’t ditched their earlier stuff (or refused to buy/listen to particular albums on principle).

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Friday, 26 July 2019 05:50 (six years ago)

Automatic For The People for me. It definitely tainted the whole idea for good. In a more profound way than a dopey track or two on OOT. Luckily I was almost still an actual adolescent in 1992 as it was a big year for spurning. Sonic Youth's Dirty was expunged from the household within a few months too. And Wish: I avoided even hearing it in full for at all for at least a decade. I've since conceded that these records each include several excellent tracks and that each act was sporadically interesting later on (obviously), but that's what Spotify's for.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 26 July 2019 10:31 (six years ago)

I can't think of a time I've actively decided not to listen to a particular album by a band I like but I was think the other day how I've never made any effort to hear those first two Afghan Whigs albums.

Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 26 July 2019 10:58 (six years ago)

*thinking

Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 26 July 2019 10:59 (six years ago)

No offence, but what on earth is wrong with Automatic For The People? Did it sell too many copies or something?

does it look like i'm here (jon123), Friday, 26 July 2019 10:59 (six years ago)

Ignoreland is what is wrong with Automatic.

Other than that, it's great.

Cow_Art, Friday, 26 July 2019 11:07 (six years ago)

Agree on Dirty. I loved them from Confusion Is Sex through Goo but skipped over Dirty and came back for Experimental Jet Set.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 26 July 2019 11:24 (six years ago)

I'm a huge Kraftwerk fan but I'll never listen to their first three albums. Hütter has effectively written them out of KW history and that's fine with me, an artist is entitled to establish their own canon.

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Friday, 26 July 2019 11:27 (six years ago)

I hate most of Automatic For The People and Out Of Time. but I'm not a huge REM fan. I like a lot of their songs but I wouldn't want to listen to a whole album of them, and certainly not either of those 2

but I don't really know what people's problem is with Dirty, never have.

Colonel Poo, Friday, 26 July 2019 11:32 (six years ago)

xpost I don't go much past the first three Kraftwerk albums - I have the later albums on CD, play them and they are fine, but.

Mark G, Friday, 26 July 2019 11:47 (six years ago)

I loved Funeral by Arcade Fire. I bought Neon Bible, listened to it once, thought "fuck this" and never listened to anything by them ever again.

The Pingularity (ledge), Friday, 26 July 2019 12:06 (six years ago)

^ same

StanM, Friday, 26 July 2019 12:07 (six years ago)

Bloc Party, too

StanM, Friday, 26 July 2019 12:08 (six years ago)

Re: AFTP, "Ignoreland" is OTM. I've said this before and know by now that virtually no one heard it in the same way, but those thin arpeggios on "Drive" and "Everybody Hurts" (for instance) just sitting there doing nothing for endless minutes signalled that this was no longer the band I signed up for. It finishes well though: the final two tracks manage to be hugely affecting.

As was the occasional later single, like "Daysleeper".

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 26 July 2019 12:16 (six years ago)

Funny that this thread seems to revolve around REM because that's one that immediately springs to mind for me. I was all in until Reveal, which I thought really stunk, and I never intentionally heard a note they recorded afterwardz.

my but is not working it kept telling me device not found. (Old Lunch), Friday, 26 July 2019 12:48 (six years ago)

I keep seeing your username as "Nagl Nagl Nagl" xpost

Mark G, Friday, 26 July 2019 12:53 (six years ago)

Ohhhhhhh yeah: Liz Phair's fourth album. Her first two are among my all-time faves, the third is fine, and to this day I've never heard anything from the subsequent album but 'Extraordinary' which was extraordinarily dismaying. And again, just got completely off the boat at that point.

my but is not working it kept telling me device not found. (Old Lunch), Friday, 26 July 2019 12:54 (six years ago)

Harvest. just all a bit dull and sappy compared to what came before and after.

thomasintrouble, Friday, 26 July 2019 13:04 (six years ago)

Leonard Cohen, Death of a Ladies' Man. Bought it at the height of my Cohen fandom, played it once, no interest in hearing it ever again.

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Friday, 26 July 2019 13:14 (six years ago)

I will happily listen to everything by Pulp/Relaxed Muscle/Jarvis except Further Complications

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 26 July 2019 13:17 (six years ago)

I don’t listen to Document through AFTP because I don’t think they’re good albums

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 26 July 2019 13:35 (six years ago)

Out of Time is R.E.M.'s best album

frame casual (dog latin), Friday, 26 July 2019 13:40 (six years ago)

While Out of Time and AFTP are uneven albums with some disposable tracks, y'all are missing out on some magnificent songs if you spurn the albums on the whole. Your non-spurning friends should be able to compile a 'best of' for you.

my but is not working it kept telling me device not found. (Old Lunch), Friday, 26 July 2019 13:41 (six years ago)

The King Of Limbs had me ready to hand in my lifelong Radiohead fanship card. Luckily A Moon Shaped Pool revived my interest

frame casual (dog latin), Friday, 26 July 2019 13:41 (six years ago)

Country Feedback for the win, R.E.M.-wise

☮ (peace, man), Friday, 26 July 2019 13:42 (six years ago)

OK, I did think of an example: I’m a huge Dylan fan, but his one album of original material I’ve never even listened to (let alone owned) is Time Out of Mind. Nothing about it appeals to me, from the title to the cover art to the producer.

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Friday, 26 July 2019 13:53 (six years ago)

Country Feedback is REM's best song

frame casual (dog latin), Friday, 26 July 2019 13:55 (six years ago)

I’m so tired of people’s backwards opinions about Felt that I only listen to the first three albums and Denim

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 26 July 2019 13:59 (six years ago)

I am very solidly in the group of people that wtf? the people who love AFTP way too much.

Yerac, Friday, 26 July 2019 14:01 (six years ago)

I’m an active and passionate fan of James and regularly listen to One Man Clapping and will DJ “Hymn From A Village” on any occasion but I think Gold Mother is one of the worst albums and I haven’t listened to it more than twice

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 26 July 2019 14:01 (six years ago)

I Wanna say Merriweather Post Pavilion, which kind of sealed my fandom of Animal Collective off almost entirely, but there are still maybe 1-2 songs I revisit off that (No More Running and sometimes Bluish)

frame casual (dog latin), Friday, 26 July 2019 14:02 (six years ago)

And, like, I think their best album is Pleased To Meet You

Idk, I think my fandom of that band is more a result of me being confounded as to why I like them

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 26 July 2019 14:03 (six years ago)

xp to self

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 26 July 2019 14:03 (six years ago)

Most of the examples I'm coming up with are more "off the bus" than "spurning," but as a massive B-52s fan I've never had a desire to own Just Fred. Heard part of it one time, couldn't even finish it. I guess maybe that one "breaks covenant," said covenant being fun.

confusementalism (Dan Peterson), Friday, 26 July 2019 14:32 (six years ago)

I feel like there are probably a few Beatles records that even fans of the band probably dgaf about.

MaresNest, Friday, 26 July 2019 14:37 (six years ago)

First Bowie album is hot trash that I never need to hear more than the one time.

my but is not working it kept telling me device not found. (Old Lunch), Friday, 26 July 2019 14:44 (six years ago)

Blur's The Magic Whip is utter cack and a very disappointing comeback. Similarly, I have no time at all for any other non-Blur Damon projects, or much of Coxon's solo stuff either (although I did like his first one with the elephant on the front)

frame casual (dog latin), Friday, 26 July 2019 15:19 (six years ago)

I will happily listen to everything by Pulp/Relaxed Muscle/Jarvis except Further Complications

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length)

Ha, I got bored enough to finally give Further Complications a listen a couple of years ago. It really was not worth my time in the slightest.

kitchen person, Friday, 26 July 2019 15:22 (six years ago)

I like nearly everything by Tom Waits except Heartattack & Vine (just lousy, sweaty blues-rock pastiche) or Mule Variations (again, too many uninspired bluesy rootsy dirges). The latter has maybe 3 songs on it.

frame casual (dog latin), Friday, 26 July 2019 15:22 (six years ago)

I consider myself a big Magnetic Fields fan. I love everything Stephen Merritt put out in the 90s with 69 Love Songs being one of my favourite albums of all time. Despite diminishing returns, I stuck with his output since then, until he put out 50 Song Memoir. I really thought I would find the time to sit down and give it a listen, but now two years have passed and it's not exactly at the top the list of albums I want to invest the time in. Not even the positive reviews have persuaded me to dive in.

kitchen person, Friday, 26 July 2019 15:29 (six years ago)

I can happily listen to any Mott The Hoople album except Mad Shadows. So sludgy, and not in a good way.

henry s, Friday, 26 July 2019 15:35 (six years ago)

I was big into Radiohead as a teenager and when OK Computer came out I absolutely loved it and played it every day for months. After a while I just got fed up with it and barely listened to any of their music ever again. This is the only time that that's happened for me.

paolo, Friday, 26 July 2019 15:35 (six years ago)

ooh, I know: Aphex, 'Syro'. I know it has its advocators but it contains few of the elements I originally enjoyed about Aphex and I can't tell one tune from another. Wonderful depth of production but a disappointing lack of, for want of a better word, 'content'

frame casual (dog latin), Friday, 26 July 2019 15:36 (six years ago)

Yeah I can't really listen to OKC any more. I almost always reach for the Easy Star Allstars version now

frame casual (dog latin), Friday, 26 July 2019 15:37 (six years ago)

big floyd fan as a teenager, still dig them, have never heard a note of 'the division bell' let alone 'the endless river'

mookieproof, Friday, 26 July 2019 15:49 (six years ago)

OK Computer has four/five indelibly perfect songs including “Paranoid Android” which is peerless, that said, the rest of the record (including fan favourites “Let Down” and “Lucky”) does nothing for me

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 26 July 2019 16:21 (six years ago)

Oh and despite being a big Bowie fan I do not fuck with Young Americans or Space Oddity

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 26 July 2019 16:22 (six years ago)

Most of my examples are from classical music, though. Well-Tempered Clavier has so many duds— the C-Major fugue (1) is the densest fugue ever in terms of development of the subject and is thus a technical marvel, but it sounds laboured to the point of unlistenability, to me

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 26 July 2019 16:24 (six years ago)

big floyd fan as a teenager, still dig them, have never heard a note of 'the division bell' let alone 'the endless river'

Isn't this kind of 'off the bus' though? Like I love Talking Heads, kept up with the first few Byrne solos, but just have had no interest in the last however many. Same with Blondie: love 'em, but not the reunion albums. Not spurning them exactly, just moved on to different interests.

confusementalism (Dan Peterson), Friday, 26 July 2019 17:03 (six years ago)

Mule Variations: The boring blues stuff yes, but the Filipino Boxspring Hog song put me off big time. It sounded right, but sounded stupid, a pastiche of the remaining bits of Waits that weren't pastiche already. Never quite came back. That said, the ol' iPhone shuffled up a promo mp3 of "Alice" on my drive home last night and shit that's an amazing song.

bendy, Friday, 26 July 2019 17:06 (six years ago)

When of Montreal dropped False Priest that was it for me, boy i hate that record. it was obvious that the quality was slipping post hissing fauna, but this was the last nail in the coffin. False priest is devoid of fun, cleverness, and insight, not to mention the songwriting is just so lackluster compared to earlier releases

boobie, Friday, 26 July 2019 17:15 (six years ago)

^This still seems like something different from the thread subject (more like, "Albums I hate by bands I love" -- which I imagine most of us have examples of, same with "here's where I got off the bus"). But it's not my thread, lol...

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Friday, 26 July 2019 17:21 (six years ago)

being less of a religious-band-follower than I was in aeons past I don't do this much anymore, but generally speaking if a current act made a shitty album, they were dead to me. Stereolab when they put out "Dots and Loops", for ex. I'll probably never listen to another Wu-Tang album after "8 Diagrams".

Οὖτις, Friday, 26 July 2019 17:25 (six years ago)

I don’t listen to Document through AFTP because I don’t think they’re good albums


I was thinking the other day how REM would have a much more ‘mysterious, cool’ vibe if they had just broken up after album 4 (or better yet album 3)

brimstead, Friday, 26 July 2019 17:40 (six years ago)

Imagine if they disappeared after "Chronic Town" -- it would be like a holy grail of "who WERE these guys?"

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Friday, 26 July 2019 17:43 (six years ago)

I don't understand the concept... how can an album taint previous albums?

flappy bird, Friday, 26 July 2019 17:49 (six years ago)

When an artist you love puts out something you really hate, it can make you question what you liked about the previous records.

henry s, Friday, 26 July 2019 18:03 (six years ago)

I like the term “legacy-souring”, which I have deployed twice to clients whose new work I am dissatisfied with, to no effect

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 26 July 2019 18:07 (six years ago)

I don’t know why I’ve “spurned” Scarlet’s Walk, considering I can sing every previous song (and b-side) from memory, and have rinsed American Doll Posse and Unrepentant Geraldines. I’ve never listened to The Beekeeper (based on reputation alone) but there’s really no reason for me not to have listened to Scarlet’s Walk at least once by now.

If I’ve said I’ve listened to it on other threads, I’ve been lying. I know “A Sorta Fairytale” and that’s it.

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 26 July 2019 18:12 (six years ago)

When an artist you love puts out something you really hate, it can make you question what you liked about the previous records.
― henry s

I like the term “legacy-souring”, which I have deployed twice to clients whose new work I am dissatisfied with, to no effect
― flamboyant goon tie included


this is the essence of the original question for me, more of a violent emotional rejection than just "eh, I'm not really interested any more."
e.g. P J Harvey's Let England Shake, for all its merits, turned one of my icons into a Sunday afternoon arts programme fixture and retroactively killed White Chalk in the process. Can't and won't listen to either (nor Hope Six of course).

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 26 July 2019 21:00 (six years ago)

Yo La Tengo’s Summer Sun remains the most disappointing album I’ve ever heard. It took me two days to listen to it all the way through — I couldn’t wrap my head around how awful it was. I even went back and relistened to Painful and Electr-O-Pura, and fortunately they still sounded amazing. I never listened to anything YLT released after Summer Sun (apart from “Stupid Thing,” which I thought was halfway decent).

The funniest part, though, was that when I bought the record, I entered a drawing at the record store for tickets to an upcoming YLT show, and won. Despite having put on two of the most intense performances I’ve ever seen, I hated the new record so much that I gave away my tickets. A friend who went, and who’d been a huge YLT fan, said she was literally bored to tears by the show.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 26 July 2019 21:23 (six years ago)

When an artist you love puts out something you really hate, it can make you question what you liked about the previous records.

― henry s, Friday, July 26, 2019 2:03 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

This has never happened to me. The closest thing I guess is Centipede Hz by Animal Collective. That's the most disappointing album of my life (I love most of it now). It was the first time the curtain was pulled so to speak, and they were repeating themselves, and in doing so, revealing their process and highlighting their own cliches. Still, even at the time, it didn't diminish my love for the earlier records. They're the same, that's what beautiful about recorded music, nothing can change them.

flappy bird, Friday, 26 July 2019 21:31 (six years ago)

The Boatman's Call is this for me -- I was ride-or-die for the entire Birthday Party catalog & for Nick Cave through Your Funeral/Kicking Against the Pricks Tender Prey was the first one where it felt like he was coasting to me -- everybody raved about "Up Jumped the Devil" and I was like, eh, "Deanna" is the best song on this album & it was the lead single, "Mercy Seat" is nowhere near as tightly written as stuff from even a year or two before (it was tremendous live on that tour, but still). But I remained very much in the cult along through The Good Son and Let Love In, even though the lyrical direction he was pursuing felt looser, less attentive than the intense concentration of all that had gone before.

The Boatman's Call struck me then as weak both lyrically and musically, as trying to sort of force a narrative on the listener -- "intimate," "reflective," whatever. (I feel like this about "Sea Change," too.) Now, as an artist who's gone through many changes and who feels certain that any release by any given artist usually has no "meaning" greater than "this music seems, to the artist, like the best & truest articulation of where they're at musically," I've seen the other side -- people coming up with all sorts of nonsense theories about why I might have made something sound the way it does, why I might settle on this or that direction. People are generally laughably wrong in their guesses, which has led me to conclude that my ideas about the meaning/value of a change in direction by an artist I love are probably bullshit, self-centered (not meaning "egotistical": meaning "centering of the self instead of the object of scrutiny") reflections that say more about my relationship to the back catalog than about the stuff that comes later.

But I'll still always hate The Boatman's Call because woof, those songs are not good.

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 26 July 2019 21:34 (six years ago)

but 'Into My Arms'?

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 26 July 2019 21:48 (six years ago)

I think that if you truly love the work of an artist, yeah you're probably not going to abandon them no matter what kind of turd they drop. I guess I'm thinking of, well as an example, I was on board with Lloyd Cole for his first 2 albums, but Mainstream came out and a lot of his more cloying writerly tendencies really came to the fore (i.e Sean Penn Blues) and made me look at the previous work a little differently, like I began to realize I really only liked him inasmuch as he fit into the literate/jangly pop ethos of the time (Aztec Camera, Prefab Sprout, etc.) Songs about getting a new tailor or On The Waterfront started to seem a bit insufferable, whereas before they made me feel kind of hip just listening to them. So, a bad album maybe is a good test to see how strong your relationship with a given artist really is...

henry s, Friday, 26 July 2019 21:51 (six years ago)

I hate "Into My Arms," that whole album can cut bait

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 26 July 2019 23:14 (six years ago)

I don't believe in an interventionist God
But I know, darling, that you do
But if I did, I would kneel down and ask Him
Not to intervene when it came to you
Oh, not to touch a hair on your head
Leave you as you are
If he felt he had to direct you
Then direct you into my arms

like, nah, man

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 26 July 2019 23:21 (six years ago)

When an artist you love puts out something you really hate, it can make you question what you liked about the previous records.

I don't think this has ever happened to me

I remember one of my friends asking me how I could like the Rolling Stones because they'd put out so much shit music. I agreed completely with the shit music but it doesn't affect one iota how much good music they made before they went shit

just doesn't happen for me.

mind you I thought 8 Diagrams was way better than Iron Flag so I probably just have shit taste in music!

Colonel Poo, Friday, 26 July 2019 23:36 (six years ago)

Mercury Rev's Secret Migration.

All Is Dream was kinda crap, but Secret Migration was so bad that Deserter's Songs now sounds like the beginning of the end. Thin and uninspired. It used to be an album that meant a lot to me, but I have a hard time with anything post Baker at this point.

Cow_Art, Saturday, 27 July 2019 01:57 (six years ago)

All I can think of the third Ivy album. I loved Apartment Life so so much, and the follow up was so lousy that I sadly kinda forgot about Apartment Life until a few years ago (like, wait a second, why haven’t I listened to this album in like 15 years???)

brimstead, Saturday, 27 July 2019 06:10 (six years ago)

it's not quite spurning but i guess i feel pretty decided indifference to 'blood on the tracks', which i stopped listening to sometime oh i dunno 15+ years ago, even though in the meantime i have definitely broadened my love of dylan and play pretty much anything from the 60s to the early 80s (except 'desire' for some reason) and anything after 'time out of mind' (which i've never really tried yet). some of those songs are as great as anything i like by him, and i like to hear them in other versions, live etc., but the combination of the album's stifling reputation and the production and the ruminative singer-songwritery persona and the running-order disaster of 'lily, rosemary and the jack of hearts' and too many times hearing coffeeshop covers just made me prefer to check out for greener pastures.

j., Saturday, 27 July 2019 06:30 (six years ago)

Ye

octobeard, Saturday, 27 July 2019 06:39 (six years ago)

tarfumes . . . not quite otm but i hear you cluckin'

the albums since 'summer sun' are better imo and have a few great songs, but yeah the 'painless'-'heart beating' period will not be reached again (by anyone, maybe)

mookieproof, Saturday, 27 July 2019 06:42 (six years ago)

Cow_Art OTM. I must have Napster'd All Is Dream but promptly decided I didn't need any more MR. While I never actively expunged their discs from the house, the retroactive taint spread to Deserter's Songs and now is such that I'm not at all sure I've listened to *any* other Mercury Rev in the 21st century. Apart from maybe a chance viewing of the "Bronx Cheer" video on Youtube or something.

Though I'm more than twice the age I was when I bought Yerself is Steam so maybe such things were always going to happen. Can't say I listen to, say, Butterglory much either. :)

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 27 July 2019 07:08 (six years ago)

Yeah, Secret Migration for me too. I haven't checked out any MR output after that either

After Dirty got me into Sonic Youth, I thought "Bull in the heather" was such a weak single that I never sought out EJSANS. I heard the odd track on Dave Fanning's show and I didnt like what I heard either. "Washing Machine" brought me around again though.

The World According To.... (Michael B), Saturday, 27 July 2019 07:51 (six years ago)

xp j I get what you mean about Tracks and I’ve never enjoyed Desire either. I wonder what you will think of “Love and Theft” when you get around to it - a real peak for me.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 27 July 2019 08:56 (six years ago)

Magic Whip is the best Blur album. As is Snowflake Midnight for Mercury Rev

PaulTMA, Saturday, 27 July 2019 09:07 (six years ago)

Tim Buckley's first album. It was the third or fourth of his that I heard, after a couple of years of loving his medium period stuff. Hated it and have simply ignored it since.

Duke, Saturday, 27 July 2019 10:53 (six years ago)

Re: individual tracks, I used to skip Zoo Music Girl on the Birthday Party's Prayers On Fire, for some reason- starting the album on track 2. I'd decided it was shit. Years later I reassessed...

Duke, Saturday, 27 July 2019 10:55 (six years ago)

The Campfire Headphase

frame casual (dog latin), Saturday, 27 July 2019 13:37 (six years ago)

the albums since 'summer sun' are better imo and have a few great songs, but yeah the 'painless'-'heart beating' period will not be reached again (by anyone, maybe)

― mookieproof, Saturday, July 27, 2019 2:42 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I've heard/read that the post-Summer Sun records are good, and someday I may check them out. But yeah, that run from May I Sing With Me through And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside Out (including all EPs and CD-singles) is so incredible.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 27 July 2019 14:56 (six years ago)

Tim Buckley's first album. It was the third or fourth of his that I heard, after a couple of years of loving his medium period stuff. Hated it and have simply ignored it since.

I had the Morning Glory compilation as my first introduction to him, and I remember the track(s) from it sticking out like baroque sore thumbs. Never really got into it or Goodbye And Hello either. In contrast, I was so smitten with "Sweet Surrender" that Greetings From L.A. became my go-to favourite album of his

flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 27 July 2019 17:46 (six years ago)

Other career-interest-killing albums for me
Fold Your Hands Child You Walk Like A Peasant
John Henry
Westside Connection

Οὖτις, Saturday, 27 July 2019 17:59 (six years ago)

I really like most YLT albums after "Summer Sun" but that album felt like a huge letdown at the time and I never have the slightest urge to listen to it.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 27 July 2019 18:04 (six years ago)

I wonder what you will think of “Love and Theft” when you get around to it - a real peak for me.

oh i love that, and onward, it's 'time out of mind' i have not yet gotten to.

i know the pre-electric albums but don't give them much time, so i wonder how much my reaction to 'blood on the tracks' has to do with a noticeable shift in the songwriter-oerformer persona. my impression is that on the electricish albums up through even 'new morning' and 'self-portrait', the songs work territory that is never really centered around the conventions of the drama of self-expression (even if that's in there), regardless of how pensive and ruminative they might sound. perhaps what seems true of 'blood' to me is also true of some older ones, i haven't bothered checking. perhaps of 'time out of mind', too, from what i've read about it.

in terms of mathewk's original question, i would say that for me this is not so much a 'break with covenant' thing as it is a sensitivity to what i conceive of as the audiences intended in a record or actually found by it. more often i will find that i'm discouraged when something that i like gets 'taken over' by too much of a certain kind of audience too quickly, so that it's like i have to fight against their opinions to win some space for my own. i like to feel like i have a space for myself where the music means what i feel like it does, not to the exclusion of what anyone else feels like it does, but without that holding so much sway that i feel isolated for not agreeing, either. for dylan albums that dynamic is obviously messed up to the nth power which is generally a saving grace, but 'blood on the tracks' is that rare album that combines in-the-know dylan aficionado-dom with in-the-know best-of-list-following with in-the-know deep-songwriting-appreciation and it's just not worth it to try to hold the ground.

j., Saturday, 27 July 2019 19:40 (six years ago)

^ I got into BOTT in high school, via my mom’s LP collection, and didn’t really know anything about its reception or rep. It was... interesting to get to college and hear frat guys blaring the album as they prepped the grill on a Saturday morning.

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Saturday, 27 July 2019 19:54 (six years ago)

great, great post j, thank you

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 27 July 2019 19:58 (six years ago)

Yeah, I have somehow avoided that problem with that particular album but am otherwise quite familiar with it.

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 July 2019 21:20 (six years ago)

I stopped listening to Therapy? when they released Infernal Love.

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Sunday, 28 July 2019 22:32 (six years ago)

It took this deep into the thread for someone (me) to say Metallica's s/t ("black") album??

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 28 July 2019 22:46 (six years ago)

Infernal Love was so lousy.. But it was kind of their commercial peak - I remember it getting a lot of press at the time. But it was a very serious, broody record compared to everything they'd done before and I'm not sure they pulled it off.

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 29 July 2019 12:50 (six years ago)

Crikey, I'm just rooting through Therapy's Wikipedia entries. So many albums! And each entry says something like 'the album was seen as a return to their punk-metal roots as heard on Troublegum'

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 29 July 2019 12:58 (six years ago)

I really like most YLT albums after "Summer Sun" but that album felt like a huge letdown at the time and I never have the slightest urge to listen to it.

Yeah summer sun is a good example of this kind of album for me - a record that causes me to think "I'm going to have to rethink how I follow this band and what I expect from them."

(Although tbh that changed with their last record, their first once since And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside Out that I actually find exciting and interesting all the way through - feels like the album that Summer Sun wanted to be or should have been, shame it took them 15 years to get it right.)

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Monday, 29 July 2019 13:31 (six years ago)

Speaking of spurning, I didn't bother listening to Therapy? when they appeared because they were (initial consensus opinion) "a poor Big Black rip off".

Duke, Monday, 29 July 2019 20:24 (six years ago)

I actually find this kind of ridiculous but I'm an early SY guy and they really lost me with the Geffen records. I'm sure I'm missing out.
Kind of.

campreverb, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 01:01 (six years ago)

Crikey, I'm just rooting through Therapy's Wikipedia entries. So many albums! And each entry says something like 'the album was seen as a return to their punk-metal roots as heard on Troublegum'

"Their best since Some Girls"

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 01:22 (six years ago)

I’m not sure I became aware of the name Therapy? until the late 90s, and for a while I thought they were a nu-metal group? Their name just seemed right at home on the back of a Family Values tour T-shirt for some reason.

brimstead, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 01:28 (six years ago)

I was a huge Pixies fan, but Bossanova was a big letdown for me. Weirdly though, I've listened to it a ton, and still do. But I have never, ever listened to Trompe Le Monde and don't ever intend to, no matter how good or bad it may be.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 01:38 (six years ago)

I didn't bother listening to Therapy? when they appeared

i never even considered listening to therapy? because what the fuck is that, a question mark in a band name, that's irregular, likely a sign of poor musical sense

j., Tuesday, 30 July 2019 02:41 (six years ago)

otm

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 03:15 (six years ago)

except Neu!

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 07:05 (six years ago)

that's exciting

j., Tuesday, 30 July 2019 07:13 (six years ago)

so new it had to be in german

j., Tuesday, 30 July 2019 07:13 (six years ago)

I was a huge Pixies fan, but Bossanova was a big letdown for me. Weirdly though, I've listened to it a ton, and still do. But I have never, ever listened to Trompe Le Monde and don't ever intend to, no matter how good or bad it may be.

I am a huge Pixies fan, love Bossanova and Trompe le Monde, could not give one shit about Surfer Rosa.

The Pingularity (ledge), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 07:45 (six years ago)

I'm with Moodles, sort of. Bossa Nova was patchy and Tromphe le Monde seemed like a mess at the time. I vowed not to squander any more of my pocket money on them and it seemed entirely appropriate that they broke up! (This thread is reminding me that 1991-92 was an big era for disappointment with US indie rock stalwarts for schoolkid me. I turned to the UK for solace.)

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 08:20 (six years ago)

Er, Trompe, obv.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 08:21 (six years ago)

I well remember the realisation that “less Kim, more UFOs” was actually where they were headed, rather than a one-album glitch. It was years before I bought a (used) copy of Trompe and I reckon I’ve listened to it a dozen times in three decades.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 08:26 (six years ago)

I love all the original Pixies albums but I like to forget that those Kim-less reunion records exist, even though I have listened to them once each (see also: the '00s Big Star and Stooges albums).

Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 08:55 (six years ago)

I also love the original Pixies albums, and had pretended the reunion albums didn't exist until now, but I just bought tickets to see them in September, so I'm going to give them both a listen before then. wish me luck

Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 12:26 (six years ago)

Hello Nasty basically changed me from a Beastie Boys superfan to never wanting to hear then again.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 12:31 (six years ago)

I’ve definitely spurned the modern-day Stooges albums.

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 14:31 (six years ago)

pre-cats and dogs royal trux albums. i have lots of love for this band but zero interest in ever listening to their early stuff.

visiting, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 14:45 (six years ago)

why? it’s great

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 14:45 (six years ago)

what i've heard was just more shambolic than i enjoy.

visiting, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 14:58 (six years ago)

fair enuff

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 14:58 (six years ago)

If a band splits then reforms I'm not interested in anything they subsequently release, even if I really loved them before and they weren't split for long (eg Go-Betweens).

I'm pretty fickle with bands generally - they're not sports teams, you don't have to support them for life. One dud album and I'm moving on.

fetter, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 15:45 (six years ago)

Yeah I used to be really loyal with bands up to my early twenties but I got burned too many times and eventually realised there was no point. On the other hand Spotify has made it really easy to catch up on things I skipped and I've found myself listening to a lot of records that way just out of curiosity.

Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 15:52 (six years ago)

If a band splits then reforms I'm not interested in anything they subsequently release

Agree with this generally. The only exception is King Crimson, who have always been Robert Fripp + whoever can stand to be around him, so in that case there are just particular eras of the band I choose to ignore (everything involving Adrian Belew).

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 17:24 (six years ago)

I think this happened to me with Death Cab For Cutie who I went off 100% with Transatlanticism which I thought was just terrible and it made it hard for me to like their first two / three records after that.

akm, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 17:47 (six years ago)

weirdly I loved Transatlanticism but went off them big style with the next one

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 18:17 (six years ago)

along same indie lines, Picaresque is where I left the Decemberists train and never got back on. And I'd loved their first album (and liked the second one too) at the time. I still think if they'd just broken up after the debut it'd be held in higher esteem.

akm, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 22:36 (six years ago)

I'm a big Jefferson Airplane fan, but never listened to their 1989 reunion album until today... and, well...

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 22:41 (six years ago)

But have you listened to Sweeping Up the Spotlight - Live At the Fillmore East 1969?

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 23:02 (six years ago)

No, is it a good one?

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 23:11 (six years ago)

If you like their psychedelic blues jams it certainly is.

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 23:19 (six years ago)

Some discussion here: Favorite member of Jefferson Airplane (Main lineup)

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 23:21 (six years ago)

sweeping up the spotlight is absolutely top-notch stuff, i don't know why the airplane don't have more of a reputation as a live band, they could completely kill it. casady in particular is super underrated as a bassist

Un Poco Loco Moco (rushomancy), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 23:45 (six years ago)

I first became hip to Jack Casady because another bassist, Anthony Jackson, was such a huge fan.

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 23:56 (six years ago)

huh, one of his two main influences, along with messiaen... didn't realize all that went into "for the love of money"!

my one complaint about "sweeping up the spotlight" is that they did this absolutely killer version of "fat angel" and left it off!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCK_QflkxFo

best airplane gigs ever?

Un Poco Loco Moco (rushomancy), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 00:17 (six years ago)

Many xps, but I feel the same about Trompe Le Monde-- that is, fuck it-- but conversely I have always enjoyed Frank's first two solo albums

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 00:56 (six years ago)

Metallica put out an album called Load, and I was too grossed out to bother. Their desperate attempt to look more grunge didn't help.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 01:24 (six years ago)

I still haven't listened to the Danger Mouse produced Parquet Courts album.

o. nate, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 01:55 (six years ago)

thought Sonic Youth reached an amazing second peak with Murray St. and Sonic Nurse, their collaborations with Jim O'Rourke - they felt like the equals of Evol/Sister/Daydream Nation - but I was disappointed by their final two albums

Dan S, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 02:18 (six years ago)

xp

It's really good!

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 02:24 (six years ago)


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