Faust: C or D?

(disclaimer to Now: I think of Rien as more of a Jim O'Rourke solo album featuring all-Faust samples.)

Now=Dud: don't think so really, just different. 'you know faUSt' is quite good in an early faustion way and the later releases are more drone, fuzz rock (which i find a bit boring). the live 'Land Of Ukkio...' is far better than the studio based 'Ravvivando' in this type.

still waiting on the latest album to reach my mail box. here's the blurb from AndyW's wonderfull www.faust-pages.com :

After years of on-off debate about whether there are any significant unreleased works from the early days of Faust, now comes the group's definitive answer with the release of Patchwork: 1971-2002. While the album compiles material from right across the group's history to date, most is from the Wümme period, 1971-1974. Including new versions of classic Faust material such as It's a Rainy Day, Krautrock, Psalter and Stretch Out Time (from the original Faust Tapes)

"jennifer" is still one of my all time favorite songs.

SEARCH:

71 minutes of FAUST

(not entirely post IV, but a good bit of it)

Incidentally, I understand that "Outside The Dream Syndicate" (the album Faust did with Tony Conrad in '73) is due to be re-released (complete with a 2nd CD of bonus tracks etc. apparently) but I've heard very mixed reports of this one - is anyone familiar with it? C or D?

Classic. "Academic" mid-1960s underground L.E.S. NY little-m minimalism meets German psychedelia.

I think the bonus tracks is probably the same schtuff as was released on the 7" that originally came with the CD (which had a bonus track itself), but I've no idea. I've got the orig. Caroline issue (released as a "nice price" style, just like Faust Tapes), plus the CD + 7" version...

Faust are one of the cornerstones of my life but that's based entirely on the first four albums and Rien. they never really jumped the shark, so to speak, but they just sort of became less essential.

i saw them live in 1998 or 1999, and it was good, but not amazing. the sense of danger and unpredictability that i expected was absent.

I will grow old and they will remain my favorite band. Can't do the new stuff though, the balance is gone without Rudolf Sosna's songs and Kurt Graupner's engineering.

The story in this month's Wire was nice to see but frustratingly Irmler-centric. I don't trust that guy...

EMI, who now own the Virgin label, have announced the release of a remastered Faust IV with extra tracks. You'll want to snap this up, not only for the new material but because the mastering of the existing version of the album on CD is so poor.

From the press release: "The bonus disc is completed with six previously unreleased tracks recorded by Uwe Nettelbeck. Beginning with a soporific take on Jennifer, followed by an alternate take of The Sad Skinhead, an extended version of Just a Second takes the track to greater levels of trance inducement, before ending in its almost trademark snare crack half roll. The ambient Piano Piece is reminiscent of Brian Eno's Another Green World - best known as the theme tune to the BBC documentary series Arena. A gentle and shimmering piece it is a gem tucked away on this second disc that concludes with alternate takes on Lauft and Giggy Smile."

As with the existing release, the track listing doesn't mention the track Run seperately, although presumably it will stiill be there, tacked on to the end of Lauft.

CD1: The original album, re-mastered

* Krautrock
* The Sad Skinhead
* Jennifer
* Just a Second (Starts Like That!)
* Picnic on a Frozen River (Deuxieme Tableux)
* Lauft... Heist Das Es Lauft Oder Es Kommt Bald... Lauft
* It's a Bit of a Pain

CD2: bonus disc

* The Lurcher (BBC Peel Session)
* Krautrock (BBC Peel Session)
* Do So (BBC Peel Session)
* Jennifer (Alternate)
* The Sad Skinhead (Alternate)
* Just A Second (Starts Like That!) (Extended Version)
* Piano Piece (aka Das Meer)
* Lauft... Heisst Das Es Lauft Oder Es Kommt Bald... Lauft (Alternate)
* Giggy Smile (Alternate)

the track listing on faustpages is incorrect as well -- looks like the new remaster got it right though

The only track I'm not fussed about is the third (longest) one off the first album.

All the rest, and indeed "IV" is all classic. I don't know why.

What that one where they're all round the pianner having a good old Teutonic singalong (Knees Up, Mutter Braun) and "Garlic, yes/ White/ Yes white" etc etc?

"Why don't you eat carrots" still my favourite. Like a manic circus parade ploughing through some couple's bedroom, at one point.

Woman: "Have they gone?"
Man: "I Think so"
"ting....."

-- John Bullabaugh (Liphedd...), March 9th, 2003 1:34 PM.

Yes, also: Patchwork, which is like a Faust mixtape made by crazies and Derbe Respect, Alder (with Dalek) are fucking grand.

That album is overrated, IMHO. They skitzophrenically switch genres with each song to the point that the album really loses something. The first song is a pretty nice krauty instrumental jam. Nothing amazing, but nice. I can't remember the exact track order, but at the beginning of the CD there's also the dub, ambient rock song, which is pretty nice. But then there's that one that sounds something like an Irish jig. What the hell is with that? It's so out of place. I think the album is lacking a cohesive flow to the whole thing.

That is why.

Totally ridiculous. While Rainy Day Sunshine Girl is a very VU type thing, it is it's own beast and a magnificent one at that, and also classic for I've Got My Car and My TV/Picnic On a Frozen River.

remaster sounds good, they fixed the tracking and the tape splice glitch on 'jennifer', and they restored the original beautiful cover art with the smaller sheet music & typeface

most of the alternative versions are earlier mixes of album tracks... same performance, but rougher eq balance & in some cases one less layer of sound. 'sad skinhead' has an extra verse and 'piano piece' (aka 'meer' from 71 minutes) is about three minutes longer. nothing earthshaking.

the real attraction is the complete 10 minute version of 'just a minute', which is faded down about 90 seconds in on the original album. it's cool, basically just jamming and then the tape machine got turned on, but... it's them all right, you could tell it was them from the next room. beautiful part in the middle where everything breaks down just to the drums and that incredibly corroded, echoey wash of organ ambience that was distinctively theirs, fans know what I'm talking about.

(I'm guessing this is more of the 'laufzeitmachine', a delay that graupner built them using several tape heads & a tape loop threaded around a turntable, which could then be 'played' to change the tape speed as it fed back. we still need a longer interview with graupner about the gear he built them)

so, good to have the new jam, but the main thing is they've finally done the mastering and track id's right.

yeah screw that, what a waste

orgone girl's right though, I hadn't a/b'ed them yet. they overdid it on the noise reduction. though there is a lot of tape hiss on the original record & CD, the nonoise deadened the high end a bit. having checked out both a little bit I think I prefer the sound of the original disc. that stings.

the ReR BBC Sessions disc is definitely better overall than the 2nd disc on this new thing, so people who don't have this yet could just grab a used copy of the original version of the CD, and a copy of BBC Sessions. that being said, I am ten steps past fanatical when it comes to this band, I'm keeping both editions.

So Faust are playing Hull on June 10th but I've promised a friend I'd babysit. Please tell me I'm not missing much re: their current incarnation.

Aren't there 2 versions kicking about now?

What do Faust "play" when they play live? Is it guitar, drum and bass set up? I couldn't imagine how they would play the majority of their songs like that. Unless they became a more normal band type thing nowadays and used to be something more wild.

Faust IV was always my favorite, but Faust v. Dalek is pretty compelling too.My "review," or response, was in theVoice, and I also try to describe a new version of "Beware (The Transatlantic Feedback," with Gary Burger, in my take on Silver Monk Chant: A Tribute To The Monks, which will be out in the States later this month, and so will the review, again in Voice. Irmler saw them on The Beat Club in '66, revelatory for teeenaged him, as he describes it in the documentary, Monks--The Transatlantic Feedback. (Although wathching that same appearance on You Tube, and their studio stuff,I can't agree that "they had no Afro-American or Caribbean influence," but maybe he just means how he heard them at the time.)

Jean Herve Peron had a track from their new album available on his website and it's fantastic. Steve Stapleton has a big part to play in the whole thing and it's exactly what they need to make their music come alive again. Live - they play guitar bass drums and machinery - all a bit silly.

It seems to be really popular among fans, but I've never liked "Why Don't You Eat Carrots?" There's cool stuff in it, but that recurring riff drives me up the wall. That may be the intended effect.

I missed the London gig, my own fault, anyone go? I prefer Faust when Jean-Herve is in them, but I'm not sure about a Faust where he is the prime mover.

I went to see Tony Conrad. Does that count?

Oh man, was he playing too??!?!?

I went to the Tony Conrad show. He was dressed just like Anderson from Beavis and Butthead.

Didn't realise Faust played. They was great last time they played London! Jean-Herve did some ironing.

Tony Conrad played in St Giles in the Field church, Dadaismus. Right opposite the nu-Intrepid Fox. I only found out about it the day before, and then by accident, because a friend was going to see the Finnish support band.

I'm not sure how good it was. I must admit he'd lost me by the end. And I was trying ever so hard. I'm glad I went though.

Did you like it, Gnarly Sceptre?

Sorry, the Monks trib, with the Faust featuring Gary Buger track,is Silver Monk Time, not Silver Monk Chant. Speaking of their concerts, I once read in an English mag about their early (first?)LP, that was so very inexpensive that a lot of schoolkids bought it, and one who was maybe 11 at the time remembered then going to one of their shows, as did a lot of her classmates, and the set started with roadwork machinery or something, and all the kiddies booed and hooted through the whole gig, the ones who stayed that long.

xpost: I thought Tony Conrad's second track was over an hour. I'm sure I'm as happy with drone stuff as much as the rest of that audience, but I think he coulda cut it down by about 20 minutes or so and everybody would have been satisfied. But then whenever it did seem feel like it was *finally* about to draw to a close, suddenly he'd pull out some fat static and turn it up to level 11 again, and I was happy to see it though. I thought Richard Youngs accapella worked real well too, particularly given the surroundings. Shame nobody could sustain his request to imitate a massed eBow.

I e-bowed along quite merrily.

20 minutes shorter would have been better, yes.

I'm listening to 71 Minutes for the first time right now, and I'm "Knockhentanz" is as good as anything else they've done.

I'm filling in at a friend's record store today, and people keep walking in during songs like "Don't Take Roots" (a meandering 5 minutes of moaning and feedback) and rolling their eyes at me, buy Icky Thump and Funeral, and then on the way out the door I can hear them say "God!" to their girlfriends. Then, as soon as the customer leaves and the store's empty again, the feedback dissolves and it's back to Faust-style accessibility.

I'm enjoying this more than Faust/So Far/IV/etc right now.

new faust is pretty good!

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51t4Nxtbz3L._SS420_.jpg

Which Faust line-up is it?

Hamburg-based Krautrock outfit Faust has returned from a creative kosmische aether, bringing with them a new studio album C’est com…com…compliqué due out April 13 on the Bureau B label. According to group member Jean-Hervé Peron's website www.art-errorist.de, the album was recorded in Hamburg during 2006 by producer Tobias Levin, and joining original members Peron and Werner “Zappi” Diermaier was Amaury Cambuzat of French post-rock group Ulan Bator (who first toured with Faust in 1996 as Collectif Metz/Faust, a project which also produced an eponymous album).

I watched the ending about four times

urgent request for .gif loop of 4:56 - 5:05

:D

lol I didn't even know about the deluxe IV! Guess who's going to be shopping online in a few seconds (possibly to find out I'm SOL)?

What about Faust Wakes Nosferatu? Their 1997 live interpretation of the "Nosferatu" film.

Listening to it now and I like it, even on its own. I don't know if having the film playing alongside would improve it.

What does anyone reckon to this one? Have I missed discussion anywhere?

What can I expect if I go see them in Detroit next week?

[All I've ever heard is 71 Minutes]

What about Faust Wakes Nosferatu? Their 1997 live interpretation of the "Nosferatu" film.

I once tried watching the film with this playing in the background, but it goes "out of synch" fairly quickly... so back to he "Wizard of Oz" and "Dark Side of the Moon" for me

What can you expect? The only (and not very helpful) answer is to expect the unexpected.

When I last saw them about 3 years ago, it felt at times like me and my friends were the only people there who weren't somehow in on what was going on; like some odd Krautrock Truman Show. They got some "random" girls in the audience to join in on vocals, and they somehow knew all the words (I think they turned out to be The Pipettes), they made some guy in the audience take his shirt off to have it ironed onstage as part of a song ("zis is not rock and roll, zis is ironing!!" IIRC), at one point a brass band appeared through the main door of the venue, joined in on a song and then left again.

Terrific fun, and largely documented on this set:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Autumn-Faust/dp/B000MGVA1U/ref=sr_1_18?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1254390085&sr=1-18

(Amazon reviewer hated it, maybe you had to be there.)

The time before that, someone climbed up some stepladders and through rocks into a mic-ed up tin bath full of flaming materials. I thought it was hilarious, but it was generally responded to with chin-stroking solemnity by everyone around me.

*threw

http://www.klangbad.de/xtc/images/product_images/popup_images/125_0.jpg

this is really good, probably the best i've heard of their late period

"faust is last" is definitely the best of the releases where irmler seems to have control. "ravvivando" just seemed messy but this one has some great moments and is definitely better than the peron / zappi faust on "c'est complique". but "disconnected" is really great (even if that seems to be mostly due to NWW).

I see I killed this thread for a year. I can't help but wonder whether PeePee went to the gig and what they thought.

I dunno if I'm a fan of the "Faust is Last" album; sadly it would have been better if they had trimmed it by about a half hour. Because both discs have some great pieces along with a lot of interchangable material. Ravvivando is still the post-reformation group's high water mark.

I heard C Pluus off of You Know Us...I thought that was really good.

frogbullshit

do you disagree??? I run a review site here where I have reviewed all of Fausts albums:
http://www.listology.com/jamool/story/faust

IMO the problem with Faust's recent albums is that their primary songwriter died before the reunion and they never really bothered to replace them or attempt to write songs themselves. Not that they are song-based but without them their newer albums tend to be kind of monotonous. Not bad, but just kind of gray and stark.

how are Faust live these days? "They" are playing here in a short while, with Jean-Herve. I think I want to go.

i've seen them twice and enjoyed them both times. One was more of a 'best-of' set, which was super awesome, the second one was more leaning towards a commune hippy jam, but still good.

Jean-Herve generally keeps things song-oriented IIRC; I've never seen 'em, but I've heard some of their live albums with him and they're a pretty good mix of long industrial jams and their good song-oriented 70's material

Dear Faust fans,

We're getting ready for Friday and our tech director just showed us his "Faust Procurement Checklist." There's a couple firsts for us on here, so we wanted to give you a sneak peak at what you have to look forward to:

Faust Procurement Checklist
1 Cement Mixer, 1 Demolition Hammer, 2 Angle Grinders, 3 Large Canvasses, 55 Gallon Drumm, 2 four-by-eight Sheets of Styrofoam, 2 Sledge Hammers & One Sacrificial Piano

P.S. We also need a 12" (or smaller) Gas-Powered Chain Saw for the night. If you can loan us one, we will set aside a pair of tickets for you to stay for the 11 PM performance and watch Faust "play" your chain saw!

has anyone seen them recently

They did two shows in Seattle, Mon & Tue. I went to the Monday show. I still can't believe I saw that show.
I can cross Long Hair Raising Chainsaw On Stage Smiling off my rock n roll bingo sheet now.
<3 <3

which Faust is this

That piano got merked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNcprgc5NuQ

I described this show to my wife as "like watching a happy and newly crawling baby tear up someone else's living room"

ALso Geraldine Swayne is the "Geraldine" in the Gallon Drunk song of the same name, yes? Would have been rad if James Johnston was there too.

I scored a very clean original vinyl pressing of IV at a record fair today in Brooklyn, and I'm playing it right now at high volume. It is completely FLOORING me. This is a record I've known for years, but I'm feeling like like I've never heard it before. I owned the old CD version of it, which had always struck me as a little polite and flat sounding, but that's how I knew the record. This is anything but.

I've also been dipping my toes into Zappa lately, especially digging his fusion-y early '70s stuff like Grand Wazoo and Waka/Jawaka but also things like Uncle Meat--and this Faust is certainly mining some of that, in such a great way. Maybe I've just never been "ready" for this sound before. I feel like Faust never clicked with me when I was young the way Neu! and Can and Harmonia and stuff did; they always seemed more inaccessibl proggy, sweatier, more coated in '70s mud. Now that's what I want and crave, and man is this album doing it for me. This record is making me think of just how silly the premise that recent "prog vs. krautrock" showdown truly was.

I got my copy (of IV) in Dec 1981 from a Zappa fan's collection, for the price of a pizza. already a fan from borrowing it, I jumped at the chance when the hungry Zappa fan made me the offer!

Has anybody come across any genuine live material by the band from its original incarnation?
I thin there was supposed to be a '73 live set shared with Henry Cow but I don't think the d/ld was still active also not sure if it was necessarily actually valid anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op6FRZGo4ek

playing with NWW and Cut Hands on Dec. 5th in London...

damn!

in the flesh: faust sat next to me at a hipster vietnamese spot in bushwick last night. then they fucking leveled market hotel. amazing band.

goddamn right they did!

the SF show was wonderful. huge expanded band of local musicians. I did not enjoy the 1994 SF show, but maybe my expectations were too high for that first reunion or I was too close to my high school obsession with their 70s records; this time around I was just a lot more grateful to see them. huge expanded band of local musicians including a brass band and chorus situated about the crowd. no pre-reformation material, but lots of 'munic & elsewhere' / 'outside the dream syndicate'-esque 2/4 stompers. all much better live than the recent albums.

argh proofread before posting

70s albums have been on iPod for the first time in years since the show. what a band.

Whoa. Got tickets to the Louisville show since I couldn't make Big Ears --- reading this, now I'm even more excited.

oh man, sorry I missed them. What is the touring Faust lineup?

this was 'faUSt' (Peron & Zappi & ersatz cavalcade)

Irmler seems to have been concentrating on other various collaborations since the other two have ramped up recording and touring with the band name again. his records with Gudrun Gut and Jaki Liebezeit both have a bit more freedom to them than what he was calling Faust.

what name is that Liebezeit collab under, and what is album title?

i didn't enjoy faust in sf as much as milton but my experienced was probably dampened by seeing magma the night before

I missed Magma this time, but... Magma is currently one of the best touring bands in the entire known galaxy so... saw them in 2010 and 2014, and I hear the new guys they've added since last year's show are insane.

are you guys saying i should go see magma on friday

if you like music!

xp self-titled, spotify. again, temper your expectations, more FYI than anything else

cool thanks, I just need a Jaki fix tbh

i saw faust (great, but short set) and missed magma (conflicting plans) but always need a jaki fix!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfabqGeA2IU

Great! Never knew Impressions existed. So this is where Cadbury got their idea with the gorilla-ad from

Looks like the Faust / Slapp Happy shows at Cafe Oto were rather good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKccCYmwrLE

Wish I'd gone now :(

I dunno if I'm a fan of the "Faust is Last" album; sadly it would have been better if they had trimmed it by about a half hour. Because both discs have some great pieces along with a lot of interchangable material. Ravvivando is still the post-reformation group's high water mark.

― frogbs, Monday, October 25, 2010 1:09 PM (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I take it back, I think it's pretty good now. definitely one of those albums you gotta crank up. even the second disc feels quite interesting to me, now.

anyone try out the last two Faust albums? kinda wanted to check them out based on the strength of this album, even though it's a totally different lineup.

New album Fresh Air in two weeks. I don't have the highest of hopes but I'm willing to give it a shot!

New box set with a whole unreleased album from 1974 -

https://superdeluxeedition.com/news/faust-1971-1974-limited-edition-box-set-on-cd-and-vinyl/

so half of Punkt appears to be stuff that also appeared on 71 Minutes, but in a different form (sounds more like demos). other half is (I think?) new, clearly recorded during the same sessions though. good stuff but not exactly a "new album", it's nowhere near as polished as Faust IV. the two discs of rarities are pretty neat though, its like 2 more albums of Faust Tapes, minus the actual songs. plenty of cool jams though

omg did this ship?!?!

It did, the unreleased stuff is pretty damn great too, my theory is that they finally located the multitracks that they did a runner with from the last sessions in Munich.

They apparently had a week in the studio before they were rumbled. I think this extra stuff is all from there, but they wanted to attach all the other albums to it to make more of it.

It works for me, because we already have all the Wumme stuff and the Manor out-takes.

wonder if any of this is gonna be released separately. would be cool to be able to get Punkt as a standalone and So Far is desperately in need of a repress.

gahh why hasn't my Forced Exposure preorder shipped, dying over here

New album

https://faust-berlin.bandcamp.com/album/daumenbruch

Seems to be another new lineup? Anyway, great cover and clicking around these tunes seem pretty chaotic

Really enjoying this release

where tf is that box set repress, YSI?

wonder if any of this is gonna be released separately. would be cool to be able to get Punkt as a standalone and So Far is desperately in need of a repress.

― frogbs, Monday, October 18, 2021 4:42 PM (six months ago) bookmarkflaglink

what do you know

https://www.forcedexposure.com/Catalog/faust-punkt-lp/BB.392LP.html

👍🏽

And indeed

https://faust.bandcamp.com/album/punkt

Still not on Spotify, but.

(The Faust Tapes is, with the new titles...)

picked up the standalone LP of Punkt and really liking it. I was a bit too dismissive at first. "Morning Land" is similar to the first track on 71 Minutes but the version of "Knochentanz" sure isn't...it's got a polka rhythm which suddenly switches into a shuffle. super cool. the way the drums kick in is very much like "Krautrock". "Fernlicht", I swear, sounds like it could fit on the next Autechre album (if it were 8x longer). the direction they went in after they reformed makes a lot more sense now. "Schon Rund" has some of the prettiest gosh darn music in their whole catalogue. really makes good on the promise of those little piano pieces they sometimes did. the entire record sounds weirdly modern too - I'd believe it was something on Ipecac in 2005. dare I say it would be a pretty high profile album if it was actually released in '75 (maybe it wouldn't have been at the time, but it would totally have a following now)

New live album, This Is The Right Path, recorded in China in 2016.

https://oldheavenbooks.bandcamp.com/album/this-is-the-right-path

“Dec. 2015: I received an invitation from Old Heaven to participate with FaUSt to the 3rd edition of “Tomorrow Festival” at B10 Live, Shenzhen, China!
A few months later, May 2016, we were on our way to the most exciting concert experience. A loooong flight-haul and then, such a warm welcome, such a perfect organization… the most charming, dedicated, competent crew around us… the largest cement mixer I ever used on stage, and an audience so vibrant, so focused.
I was and still am in memory, overwhelmed by the endless energy of all the people I met: technicians, promoters, music fans, the so-creative Knitting Ladies, my old-time friend Keiji Haino, and my comrade Maxime.
The music we created together had been accurately recorded. As Old Heaven proposed to release this concert, I immediately was enthused by the idea. Even more so when I heard the perfect mix of Liu Ying. Two tracks were beautifully post-produced, edited and mixed by Amaury Cambuzat.
I loved the B10 Live performance and place it in my top ten FaUSt concerts ever and I love this album, I do.”

—— JHP / art-Errorist

Jean-Hervé Péron: Vocals / Bass / Acoustic Guitars / Trumpet / Cement Mixer
Werner “Zappi” Diermaier: Drums

Very Special Guests：
Maxime Manac’h: Keyboards / Guitar/ Gas Cylinder / Hurdy-Gurdy
Keiji Haino: Vocals / Electric Guitars / Electronics
Wei Zi, Tina, Li Tingting: Knitting Performance

whoa...didn't know they did a show with Keiji Haino. makes sense though

heard the two Momentaufnahme discs from the 1971-1974 set are getting a separate vinyl release. hopefully they just do the whole box. would be nice to have a copy of So Far that is NOT the 4 Men With Beards version

I have a bunch of Polydor/Virgin origs, will be nice to finish up with the box extras.

That live set looks great and went to order it, but balked at paying $30 shipping for a $28 CD. Nope.

So the unreleased stuff on the boxset from two years back is available separately now:

https://faust.bandcamp.com/album/momentaufnahme-i

https://faust.bandcamp.com/album/momentaufnahme-ii

Or at least the Momentaufnahme work.

Faust and Faust So Far are on streaming now too. Not sure if that just happened today or was the case for a while... but last year when I checked they weren't there.

The "punkt." also.