Poppy C/D

tbh this thread is a couple of years overdue. here's her new single

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmswmbosYo

and here's her kickass walk-on music for Io Shirai on last week's NXT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h27izmXXu-Q

I've followed her on FB for a while and initially thought it was a cool creepypasta type project but also I'm not actually sure.

i kind of love how she's been fully embraced by wwe. this was a ppv theme last year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbQsxWKfTSU

I've followed her on FB for a while and initially thought it was a cool creepypasta type project but also I'm not actually sure.

― doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, November 4, 2019 3:10 PM (forty-six seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_Jq38JKN3A

I’m not going to lie, I know about all the bad stuff about her but I’ve listened to Am I A Girl? about a million times since it came out

what's the bad stuff?

"i disagree" is song of the year

I've not really followed her music career, but me & the kids were fans of her peculiar performance art videos at the start. We still quote bits to each other. "3:36? Oh no, I'm late. Three plus three is six. What does it mean?"

great videos

I’m not going to lie, I know about all the bad stuff about her but I’ve listened to Am I A Girl? about a million times since it came out

― gyac, Monday, November 4, 2019 10:18 AM

yeah i'm not sure you can drop that bomb on us without explaining further!

Do you mean the Mars Argo stuff? If it is, yeah that's a fairly deep rabbit hole and I can't engage with her stuff the same way after reading about it. Unless there's even more than that?

Yeah I do!

On April 17, 2018, Sinclair's former collaborator and partner Mars Argo filed a 44-page lawsuit in Central California court against Sinclair and Poppy alleging copyright infringement, stating that Sinclair based Poppy's online persona on hers, as well as emotional and physical abuse Sinclair had allegedly subjected her to in the period after their separation and the subsequent abandonment of the project. On May 7, Poppy made a public statement about the "frivolous" lawsuit, saying Argo was attempting to manipulate her psychologically. She called the suit a "publicity campaign" and a "desperate grab for fame".It was settled out of court on September 14 "with no money exchanging hands".Argo released a statement in January 2019 that all rights to Mars Argo had been assigned to her as part of the settlement.

I was just going to stop by this thread to say I'm considering going to a Poppy show just for the spectacle of it all. That lawsuit thing is heavy tho.

Lowlife is great.

album's out and it's sick as fuck

also she's split with sinclair

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm6CsuNjJM4

this is industrial

what on EARTH

Haven’t listened to whole thing yet. Really like Don’t Go Outside.

me too! it's like prog poppy, especially with the reprises. proggy

📹

this is industrial

this album is fantastic, especially like the psych-pop fusion of "concrete" and "anything like me"'s industrial groove

turn me into a street!

this is the best album ever

It is extremely strange and extremely good

watashi wa anata ni doi shimasen

love the depeche mode "grabbing hands grab all they can" reference on "bloodmoney"

in fact i think repurposing an oft-maligned depeche mode lyric kinda summarizes what this album is going for

Yesss I love Depeche Mode and that line is so great ❤️ anyone who hates on DM esp for Everything Counts is clearly a clown though

Well, you've all sold me.

get ready for some riffs ned

the ending of "concrete" kills me, when everything turns into this bright and beautiful ray of positivity while singing 'turn me into a street'

also the drums on "BLOODMONEY" sound a lot like "closer" to me

I didn’t get Closer, but I did get a bit of The Beautiful People from Anything Like Me?

Actually think I’m a bit obsessed with Sit Stay - it’s the whole pre chorus/chorus plus,...that fucking outro is spectacular

turn me into a street!

― ufo, Monday, January 13, 2020 6:45 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

just looping through my head all day

djp and... imago (??) to thread

have already heard some of this, it's pretty good! v much in 2019 eoy mode listening-wise but i'll give this a full go within the next day or so

whoa didn’t realise stet had done the @mention feature so soon!

watched a couple of the videos and I don't hate it but so far I'm struggling to hear how it's much more than a basic version of Grimes.

my initial instinct was that it reminds me of some of the stuff Ginger Wildheart has been doing, especially the Hey Hello album, but a full listen might scotch that

watched a couple of the videos and I don't hate it but so far I'm struggling to hear how it's much more than a basic version of Grimes.

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, January 14, 2020 8:59 AM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lemme know when grimes goes full nu-metal psych-pop

hearing "concrete" was a lot like hearing jellyfish's "joining a fan club" for the first time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwoGhpYdebQ

wish i could vote for it in the ilm poll tbh

You know, this kinda reminds me of Shiina Ringo to an extent.

the Shiina Ringo thread

i enjoy a lot of this! "concrete" is friggin great.

i do feel like the juxtaposition of pop and heavier stuff works best when the heavy stuff is as well thought-out and complex as the poppy stuff -- like the power metal-type leads and straight industrial moments are a lot more interesting than like, chunky limp bizkit riffs.

love the "wouldn't it be nice" reference in concrete too

watched a couple of the videos and I don't hate it but so far I'm struggling to hear how it's much more than a basic version of Grimes.

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, January 14, 2020 8:59 AM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lemme know when grimes goes full nu-metal psych-pop

― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, January 14, 2020 11:06 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is a good description of one of the videos I watched ("X") but idk it felt less like peanut butter and chocolate and more like peanut butter and mayo (ftr I like mayo).

i have no beef with grimes but she can't write 1 hook let alone 3 in one song

i should say: i have no MUSICAL beef with grimes

also: https://www.metalsucks.net/2020/01/13/hulu-made-a-tv-show-about-the-poppy-mars-argo-titanic-sinclair-drama-and-people-are-pissed/

this is probably entirely the wrong question to ask but to what extent was that sinclair character involved in this new album?

she split from him (and made similar accusations against him)

he has credits on the record but iirc his actual involvement in the songwriting is disputed

didn't realize she just split from him in dec

yep

pic.twitter.com/IJwCBLYiuW

— Poppy (@poppy) December 28, 2019

not that it devalues the music or her art if he is heavily involved obv - just a bit unfortunate

yeah he also directed several of the videos iirc

what is this opening track omg

lol i was waiting for this

the zombies have gone prog hardcore

ok the rest of the album is imo good-to-very-good rather than great (and as i say, tt has already played me like three of its tracks!) but man Concrete

the grimes comparison really only makes sense for "sit/stay", which belongs to the same sort of industrial pop territory as "kill v maim". though if grimes actually made the metal album she kept threatening to i'd imagine it'd probably sound fairly similar to this but probably not as good.

some people like candy
some people like coffee
but these lifeless flaaaavors don't saaatisfyyy meeee

I am not sure how much staying power this will have for me, but it is bringing the lols for me right now. Concrete and Sit/Stay are great. A lot of the twists and turns in other tracks are interesting. At the very least it will be a good gym album.

I like this

I'm a fan. I am digging Poppy. not sure about her ballads but Concrete is a doozy. Turn me into a street indeed.

This is ... something.
Very 90's sounding somehow. 'Concrete' and 'Sit/Stay' the clear highlights. The jarring shifts between "songs within songs" are pretty crazy but kinda gimmicky and distract from some genuinely great musical sequences.

i def thought "this sounds like the late 90s" when i was listening to it

The worst thing that could happen to her is turning into a real person, with real feelings.

Def see the '90s thing.

I'm struggling to hear how it's much more than a basic version of Grimes.

Poppy & Grimes are both mining the same Japanese styles, which, tbf, is a completely irrational thing for me to be annoyed about because people can take influence from wherever, but it does annoy me.

i definitely hear the jpop metal/rock-tinged idol (ie babymetal, momoiro clover z, bis) influence on poppy but i think the influence of jpop on grimes has been pretty overstated beyond her saying she's a fan of like, perfume and kyary in interviews

As I suspected, I loved it this morning when I played it at the gym.

I'm digging this Grimes-goes-Nitzer-Ebb approach.

This & Hot Pink basically most listened on Spotify this month. Don’t really care for the slow ones tbh.

I Disagree joining Concrete and Sit/Stay as the upper tier tracks. Don't Go Outside with all the reprises of previous tracks is awesome too.

What's cool about this record is, if you don't care for a song, it will change genres in about 20 seconds so just sit tight.

She needs to go all in on the whole post-genre thing, and make an entire record like Concrete, which covers about 5 in one song.

I'm a 47 year old man and I spent the better part of the day on a Poppy internet trawl. I have learned a great deal, not all of it good. She may in fact be an awful, terrible person.

It is quite the thing to get a friend into this album and then to drop Moshi Moshi on her.

It's all a scam. Poppy just wants our money. I've gone from never heard of her, to a huge fan, to disillusioned in less than a week.

Do we have Poppy truthers on ILM now?

Yes. I've been on this board for 15 years, just lying in wait to expose the sham that is Poppy.

I can't help but admire your tenacity

Admittedly, it's been a long slog. Do you know how many threads on grime I had to get through, just waiting for the moment to strike?

Poppy thinks she's David Bowie, and can just change styles and concepts every couple years. But she'd be nowhere wtihout Titanic Sinclair. He made her. And she cheated on him with a performer named Ghostemane, fired him and then tried to erase his contributions. Then she leaked that he attempted suicide out of despair, and made it sound like she was the real victim...and then used it to promote her stupid album. Poppy is a piece of garbage.

"I got rid of titanic sinclair, and yeah he tried to kill himself because I abaondoned him but whatevs...buy my new album"

imo it’s weird that you never got the sense that titanic sinclair himself is abusive

^^^

This is Poppy's comment on it fwiw

pic.twitter.com/IJwCBLYiuW

— Poppy (@poppy) December 28, 2019

This is Titanic Sinclair's brother speaking at length on the whole thing. He has more experience with Mars Argo than Poppy, but he knows Poppy fairly well. I understand it's his brother and fairly biased, but the details are not flattering.

SPREAD THIS LIKE A WILDFIRE. MAXIMUM RT. TITANIC'S BROTHER REVEALS HIS SIDE OF THE STORY. A THREAD. pic.twitter.com/GbmpipR25G

— Elaine (@Loyallaine) December 29, 2019

are you his brother

no he's a middle aged man who has decided to come down hard on the side of an alleged abuser in a "he said she said" situation where there's 2 shes and one he

I honestly don't have time to parse all that text

What are you, the queen of England? You say you don't have time to learn the truth about Poppy? OK, keep your head in the sand.

idk considering the "truth" you've provided so far (a one-paragraph four-page monologue by an alleged abuser's brother) i think it's more likely your head stuck in wet cement

lol

can i buy a carriage return, damn

Damn, this album is good. Lots of crowd pleasing nods to pop history but every song is coherent within itself. The vocals hold everything together beautifully.

saw her last night in boston with ilx godfather tom e., the first of two sold out shows at a 475-cap venue near my apartment. it was great, the crowd was bonkers, and the tatu cover ruled

Jealous, what Tatu did she cover?

she's been doing "all the things she said"

that is the only tatu song anyone knows and was my cast-iron assumption tbf

anyone who doesn't live in a house of russian-language pop

Would have preferred Not Gonna Get Us

that's the other only one people know

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/02/05/arts/poppy-full-bloom-brighton-music-hall/

Given Grimes' words dealing with Poppy/Sinclair et al, I definitely feel some sympathy to the brother's side of the story. Having loosely followed this drama over the years, I felt they were both shitty people. Poppy's comments exposing Sinclair's attempting suicide and its impact on the family (stated by his brother) is BS, and reprehensible. It's certainly not the first time this sort of thing has happened in Hollywood. That said, drama aside, the video/song is good. What Poppy does moving forward will be interesting.

Perhaps Titanic Sinclair should change his name? He's probably ostracized at this point though. For everyone automatically alleging his status as an abuser, take a minute to also truly internalize the perspective his brother states above (despite his lack of carriage returns; it was Reddit, you need two there).

FWIW all the drama is a classic case of "don't shit where you eat"

i... would not take grimes’ word on anyone

anyway

for the record (Grimes' beefs were all business)

https://www.spin.com/2018/12/grimes-responds-to-poppy-bullying-claims/

I have to admit I’m not shedding any tears for Titanic Sinclair here.

I'm not either, but I also don't shed any for Poppy.

just fyi it's not unusual at all for abusers to engage in suicidal threats and actions in an attempt to control a person

it's also fine for a survivor to talk about this happening to them

all four new songs out today on the deluxe edition of i disagree really rule, especially "if it bleeds"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTvIG6gHMh0

she also released a studio version of her "all the things she said" cover a few months ago

it always amazed me what a great song "all the things she said" is. this version is good too.

tatu was such a creepy "concept" for a girl group. but you just can't argue with that synth breakdown part.

some googling reveals that "all the things she said" was co-written and produced by trevor horn of the buggles. interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTyELKw1DpI

also did a cover of the original pokemon theme song??

chewy chewy yummy yummy yummy
sharp and pointy yummy yummy yummy

My top artist this year according to Spotify and one of her top 0.5% listeners, proud to serve

"I Disagree" and "Concrete" both cracked my top 100, no small feat.

https://i.postimg.cc/jS0kzFt7/1-A6-E1326-E12-E-43-BC-A051-92842-FDA3978.png

Was "Concrete" in last year's songs poll? I'd like to vote for it this year.

Most romantic song since "Agoraphobia."

i don't think anyone voted for "concrete" last year, now is the time

yes

oh yeah I'm definitely voting for concrete as well as the album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN4f5SYdGi4

no longer worried about what the next poppy record is gonna sound like

those vocals!!

hell yeah this rules

what reason was there to be worried

idk the acoustic christmas ep had me wondering, is all

i didn't really expect that to be representative of anything in the same way that i wasn't expecting the impressively bad noise EP she put out last year to be either

this rrrrrips

i cannot stop listening to it

as with most of i disagree this feels like it was born right out of my brain

its really nice to have someone making heavy music calibrated to exactly what i want from it

lol she lost the grammy to ice-t

but yeah the last album was very good and this is too! she's really upped her game a lot! i am amused that she is opting for a St Vincent look here.

Huh. I don't mind what I've heard from Poppy at all but this performance is kind of a sweet/sour-spot blend of "I'm enjoying this" and "This is calibrated to sound like the guitar is a mosquito tied down to a splinter and shoved into my ear."

i despise poppy and have from the second i encountered her a few years ago. just had to register that i guess.

her early stuff was pretty terrible and the turnaround has really been something

"This is calibrated to sound like the guitar is a mosquito tied down to a splinter and shoved into my ear."

yeah it rules

lol she lost the grammy to ice-t

not mad about this tbh, the nu-body count records are a lot of fun

Was this thread the last known appearance of kornrulez6969?

omg this new song is so great :D my prediction that 'i disagree' was a prototype of what was to come looks like being true

there's a slight j-metal/j-pop vibe to this which i am v enjoying

yeah that was a clear influence on the last album too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=youFNU-hlBo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PQoSzZkYVI

a jack off jill cover

https://open.spotify.com/album/64qHcKFcreaFc70UtMFUMM?utm_source=embed_v2&go=1&play=1&nd=1

new EP!!!!

"eat" is the song of the year imo

y'all

"say cheese"

holy shit

best ep ever made

oh hell yeah

"eat" is just the same version as that grammys performance it sounds like, still fantastic though

oh my god "say cheese"

i listened to it twice through all of these songs are fucking incredible

whole thing rules, she keeps getting better and better

she sounds even better now that she's shifted away from the high vocal affect she used to do

i will never stop listening to this

are you seeing her open for deftones on their upcoming tour

i had to sell my ticket bc it coincides with another vacation :(

curse you rescheduled dates

oh that's a shame! i just saw that she was opening for them and thought 'wow that seems like a dream brad combination'

i think i'm just going to keep this on loop all day, she really understands exactly what i want out of metal it's incredible

oh wow i didn't dream that this came out

she knew what we would like to eat for sure

Poppy's one of those contempo artists where everything's about streaming, so it's SO FUCKING HARD to work out how to buy her music, especially in FLAC.
I'd love the EPs on CD, but that ain't gonna happen (blessed that I got I Disagree on CD though!)

Found it:
https://www.zdigital.com.au/artist/poppy/release/eat-nxt-soundtrack-16338186
This exercise is particularly difficult in Australia...

i was just about to point you there, 7digital/zdigital etc. is about the only reliable place for FLACs or even mp3s apart from bandcamp for artists who use it these days, now that google play music is dead

Yeah, thanks @ufo. Glad I remembered! It is where I usually end up.

Oh, yes, this EP. She's Charli XCXI. I was going to say Charli XXX, but that's obviously Ayesha Erotic.

"say cheese" song of the year at this point

This EP is really the best? I didn't really get her earlier stuff because they all sounded like two or three unrelated songs mashed together, but this is brilliant from start to finish.

the only previous track that i'd say really felt like a bunch of different songs mashed together was "concrete" but it did so in a really fun way that worked

Enjoy a video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_KB4KFPxss

poppy goes belly.... incredible

Am I reading too much into lyrics or is "Her" a fuck-you/goodbye ode to Titanic Sinclair?

Sucks it's kind of bland, especially against the backdrop of that EP

"Produced by Justin Meldal-Johnsen" !!!

this is fine but nowhere near as exciting as the EP

have no objection to a JMJ-produced alt rock album on the way from her though?

Liking this better than the EP stuff but then again I'm more into 90's MTV alternative nostalgia than processed metal.

the EP heavily tapped into my love of the downward spiral

from my understanding she has been recording or has recorded an album with justin meldal-johnsen and it will largely sound like "her"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C68Okt3Qg8M

album called flux out 9/24

:D

it's decent but the vocals sit in the mix really weird

not expecting the album to be as good as EAT but it still should be enjoyable

sounds like metric

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT40JmmtnY4

this one's really pitch perfect 90s alt-rock pastiche. fine but i already really miss when she was exciting only a few months ago lol

“so mean” is the best song ever

i have listened to it so many times that i’m worried i’m wearing it out

what can i say, poppy makes the music i want to hear

ahhhhh "lessen the damage"!!!!!!

god this is a sick rock album

between this and the new deafheaven this is a great year for metal drummers slumming it on alt-rock records

"hysteria" song of the year

"never find my place" is pretty with teeth

this album is good but still kinda pales in comparison to EAT

love the way the black metal blastbeat bridge of "on the level" keeps threatening to take over the song

I will never understand this board's fixation with Poppy.

good

Poppy roxx ... not much to understand

i regret not being more fully behind it earlier, i liked it theoretically before i realized i liked it for real

Send "Lessen the Damage" to the "Good 4 U"-loving teen in your life

I’d say if I have a reservation it’s that there’s something a bit conventional abt the songcraft which is extremely strong but I kind of wish it had a few more traces of the aggrieved/extreme tendencies that gave it such early shock factor

*aggro not aggrieved

yeah this album is solid but ultimately its alt-rock pastiche is just less exciting than her previous pop-metal stuff which was a much more distinctive niche

I don’t mind the mainstreaming It just feels a hair too fast to me

I love the records (esp "I Disagree") but the gratuitous mispronounced Japanese lyrics are cringe

Really like this new album. I feel like I both agree and disagree with deej's comments above, in that:

1. Yes this is less distinctive/surprising than the earlier stuff

2. Her specific current vibe, which out of laziness I will just call "Eight Arms To Hold You", is (a) a vibe that I really connect with, probably more than her previous sound once novelty is set aside, and (b) one which requires stronger songwriting than her previous approach in order to sustain, and I think she rises to the challenge accordingly

3. "Stronger songwriting" is relative and as she becomes hookier she risks inviting comparison with other hooky artists whose hooks may more memorable than hers, though I need to sit with this longer to decide just how memorable they are. I revisited Sky Ferreira's album shortly afterwards, and at this stage of preliminary assessment I'm not sure anything here tops "Boys" or "You're Not The One" or "Heavy Metal Heart". But I might change my mind in a day or two!

i don't think the hooks are stronger on this one than on i disagree

that’s correct : I think the songwriting is better, and (separately) the style she is working in now places more pressure on the hooks to perform, but neither of those things necessarily translate into the hooks being better.

I’m not so much concerned with her needing to be hookier, I do think *some*thing is lost in just visceral intensity (beyond shock factor) which isn’t to say it’s not replaced by something equally valuable … I don’t consider this a fall off by any means, just kind of mourning a future that never was

lol i didnt know the backstory re her collaborator ... welp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlkdkQR2gUs

oh hell yeah

glorious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTTEBn_gze0

poppy released a new song about her cat

i'm finally seeing her at the end of march

"eat" not placing in the 77 is an error from which this board will never recover

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXbPSCHncJc

apparently going to be on a new EP, stagger, out in october

heavy poppy is the best poppy

new EP whips!!!

"FYB" is the only real heavy poppy song just FYI

it's good! better than flux

Always get excited and immediately disappointed when this thread gets revived because I think it’s a Poppy Family thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXE_NkbWDhw

tremendous cover of kittie's "spit"

kittie rules hell yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD9xotOWQSk

"spit" cover is my song of the year

for all those girls who speak contradictions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag3L1fBPo54

i want to like this a little more than i do, this industrial sound is a good fit for her but the song's just missing something?

curious what the album’s gonna be like (comes out in october)

the press release made it sound like it'll generally be along the lines of this & "church outfit" but some of it will have guitars on top of the industrial beats too

it also compares one track to 'mirwais-era madonna' which i have no idea how will fit with the rest of the stuff going on and cites burial, blawan, and a whole bunch of new wave as influences

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reMPqmtYtpU

record's getting not much of a reception but as usual i think it's great. the dnb drum track in this is so good

this feels like the electro record i was expecting kylie minogue to put out this year

the fake pop music in vox lux should've sounded like this

excited to hear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I6di1S0Mqw

"the attic" is the exact same vibe as this great batten girls track

weird album, it's pretty all over the place stylistically. some of it is great but a lot is just ok at best

highlights are "linger" (the burial impression here lol), "the attic" and "prove it"

I just made this my first Poppy album. I really don't like her voice tbh. Good musical ideas though - esp Church Outfit, Hard and Zig.

the ones you should actually listen to are i disagree and the eat ep

Loving 'Motorbike' although the video is disappointingly literal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev_vPbqUlZs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqVNYcaS-3E

yes! yes!!!!!

flux sounds better and better every time i revisit it

new poppy album november 15 please save me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixRV9Tqrzw0

i'm saved

i do really love this record but it flies by. much more of a pop-metal experience than i disagree or eat. this would be the best evanescence album ever tho

"surviving on defiance" is a deftones song therefore ivy's happy

she's screaming for blood and violence

can't stop listening to this record ;_;

"vital" one of her best songs, chorus is classic paramore/avril... "halo" so stirring and beautiful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYeDnOLfl0g