CS + Kreme - Snoopy

I don't think there's been a huge amount on ILM about CS + Kreme, although there is some related stuff here: HTRK/Hate Rock Trio

Anyway I thought this was fantastic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zujudzx2MA

Then wasn't as into their subsequent 12"s, but the album is great, and doesn't seem to be getting reviewed anywhere apart from this typically OTT Boomkat blurb:

https://boomkat.com/products/snoopy-8d0aca4b-2024-4704-af34-a6b1b199339d

Anyway, trip hop, Coil, it's all very hazy, is anyone else listening to it?

I love it. In my head I have been thinking of it as a more ambient Sylvian/Eno take on the last These New Puritans album.

enjoying it

still regularly replay the standish/carlyon album too

Their single on TTT from 2018 was lovely

Always check for TTT, excited to hear this

p sure roast ghost made it to the eoy 77 poll? love it

https://soundcloud.com/nts_live/cs-kreme-live-session-4th-february-2020

Wow, this is maybe even better than the album

Wow, this is maybe even better than the album

This is absolutely perfect self-isolation music

it is. i have been telling anyone who will listen the exact same thing.

this is excellent! spent the first couple tracks reaching for some portmanteau-style comparisons (The For Carnation produced by Pole, etc.) and then gave up as it's really quite hard to pigeonhole

Anyway, trip hop, Coil, it's all very hazy

What Coil albums sound like this? I've been meaning to check them out for a while but have never got round to it

I was about to post that I just don't see the Coil comparison but actually, thinking about it I guess it is true. 'Saint' is pretty Coil-esque. A touch of the 'The Last Amesthyst Deceiver' about it perhaps?

I'm not sure there is an album by Coil that really sounds like this paolo, but maybe 'Musick To Play In The Dark vol 1' or 'The Ape Of Naples' would come sort of close in places, and either way both are incredible albums worthy of exploration.

Yeah I’m not sure there’s anything so close to either Coil or CS and Kreme but there is something about the mood of stuff like Musick to play in the dark that reminds me of tracks like Mount Warning.

(I mean that I don’t think there are any other acts that sound particularly close to either of them, and they don’t sound particularly close to each other, and yet I don’t think there is nothing to my initial association of the two.)

Wow--just gave a listen to "The Ape Of Naples" having never checked it out before, and yeah, Track 2 on the album which you point out, Stirmonster, is def in the proto-Snoopy zone in terms of how the vocal declamations float over top, as well as the simmering synth and bassline underneath (the marimba's a very cool unexpected touch, too!).

(and you're also right in that the whole album is indeed sounding incredible)

'Musick To Play In The Dark vol 1' or 'The Ape Of Naples' would come sort of close in places

I gave these a listen and they're really good, so thanks! I was concerned that they'd be too heavy/intense for me because I really can't listen to much heavy music right now but they're not too scary. And I can see the similarities with CS + Kreme - they're both quite dubby in places and both have surreal/daft lyrics that they can make sound all ominous

Still probably my favourite album of the year.

New companion EP: https://csandkreme.bandcamp.com/album/howwouldyoufeelwithoutthatthought

Snoopy will def be among my very fave albums of the year, and this EP is a very well-executed appendix

I am four minutes into "April Fools' Day" and oh shiiiiiiiiiiiiit this is good.

It just occurred to me that Snoopy will possibly forever be classified in my head as my 'post brain surgery pre pandemic' album.

Fuck this EP is so great.

It occurs to me that CS + Kreme are to 2020 what A Mountain of One were to 2007.

It's like, get on this music now because its resonance may dim in a few years time.

For me this is totally a pandemic album, and it's merged with many cold dark evenings in lockdown in April (and now again). I've barely listened to it in daylight.

Checked out Snoopy on the basis of this revive and shiiiiit its amazing

i've listened to 'snoopy' a few times over the past months, only thing i really remember are vague crespuscular labradford vibes crossed with a sort of deadpan dead c.-esque vocal delivery, but that might all be a distortion of memory. also, the question 'where did blueberries go?' keeps running through my head at random moments. guess i'm due a revisit?

The Labradford vibe is real, I listened to this for the first time last night and was like "this reminds me of Labradford, and also weirdly of Legendary Pink Dots."

Pan American more specifically imo

It's my pandemic album of choice for sure and perfect all over again for dark winter lockdowns. The new EP is great too.

The Legendary Pink Dots reference is really interesting. I'm not really getting that but perhaps it had just never crossed my mind. Will definitely consider that next time I listen and as LPD has been another pandemic big listen, it may make perfect sense.

Might have something to do with vocal affect, for some reason I kept thinking of Shadow Weaver.

Can't really see how an album could be any better for lockdown listening.

Slightly off topic but I've been getting into Coil after reading this thread and I can totally see the similarity, especially on Ape Of Naples. Will need to check out Labradford and LPD too. Other recommendations for similar artists would be appreciated!

I had somehow never listened to Shadow Weaver before. It's so good and I can totally hear how it realates to "Snoopy".

Shadow Weaver was my first LPD, found a tape copy in a free box. Eventually my car tape deck tried to eat it and it became unspooled, but unbeknownst to me, my then-new boyfriend took it, found a new cassette housing, and re-spooled the tape by hand while decorating the outside of the housing with creepy graphics. He gave it back to me for my birthday, and is now my husband.

Wow, Shadow Weaver sounds great! Gonna have to buy the expanded reissue with the 20-min bonus track.
Had read about LPD for years as a big part of the whole England's Hidden Reverse axis, but 20-odd years ago it was of course much harder to investigate, so cheers...

I have quite a few LPD albums and always like everything I hear but their catalogue is so vast so I have no doubt missed lots of great ones. the table is the table, that is a great story about your husband!

I have quite a few LPD records, but totally get the vastness issue. The thread on ILM was actually quite helpful for getting into them!

Pan American more specifically imo

― rob, Tuesday, November 10, 2020 6:19 PM (yesterday)

I put on Labradford's "Mi Media Naranja" after posting this, and I have to retract this opinion. But the first self-titled Pan American album is kind of slept on and you should check it out anyway (PA is a solo project for Mark Nelson)

i love this album and i love that it's called snoopy

So fellow CS + Kreme fans, is there a track that we can all get behind for the end of year poll? I love Snoopy and will be voting for it is my A of the Y but I don't think there's any standout tracks, ie they're all at a similar level of excellence. Wouldn't want to go for Pussywhistle Tea though because fuck me that's a terrible song title.

Could go for either of the tracks from the new single too

Very tough to pick a standout track as it is a much more an overall immersive listen. "Snoopy" will be in my top 2 of 2020 but for a track I think (if i were voting) I'd maybe go with "Bugged" off the new single.

i'll def be voting for it in the albums poll

Bugged is immense. Love the beat but unable to explain exactly how it is “wrong”

Mount Warning would be the track for me; but it'll be Snoopy I vote for.

this album is something else, it does not go down easy for me. it’s so haunted... supremely chill surface but it’s as if it’s hiding something really nasty and awful underneath... idk.. “thoughts”

“Where did blueberries go” is definitely the best album-opening line of 2020

some of it kind reminds me of some of Piano Magic’s eerie early stuff

vibes wise

anyone get that two cassette mix they just put out, reel torque 20? i've got it but i won't get a chance to listen until christmas (it's wrapped rn up as a lil present to myself), no tracklist, what a mystery

don't know how i missed this all year, incredible stuff

track in the first post is still my favorite but yeah this is good stuff

anyone get that two cassette mix they just put out, reel torque 20? i've got it but i won't get a chance to listen until christmas (it's wrapped rn up as a lil present to myself), no tracklist, what a mystery

Jealous - I didn't know about that. Hopefully someone will rip it to Youtube at some point.

this album is something else, it does not go down easy for me. it’s so haunted... supremely chill surface but it’s as if it’s hiding something really nasty and awful underneath... idk.. “thoughts”

― brimstead, Thursday, December 10, 2020 12:19 AM (twenty hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah. i'm just going off "roast ghost (ultra lavender mix)" but it's like plants growing out of chopped up bodies or something.

(xp) I assumed from the way that it's described on Boomkat that the Reel Torque tape is a DJ mix with maybe some original material sprinkled in, not worlds away from many of the cassette-only releases on The Trilogy Tapes

So fellow CS + Kreme fans, is there a track that we can all get behind for the end of year poll? I love Snoopy and will be voting for it is my A of the Y but I don't think there's any standout tracks, ie they're all at a similar level of excellence. Wouldn't want to go for Pussywhistle Tea though because fuck me that's a terrible song title.

― paolo, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 13:06 (two days ago)

It's tough to pick a single track, it does all sort of flow together. Blue Flu & Mount Warning are maybe the two that jump out at me most often, but then Saint feels like the one that's the perfect lockdown time capsule. Will definitely be voting for the album high up on my album ballot anyway.

Appreciate the suggestions for similar artists/albums upthread. Got Shadow Weaver by Legendary Pink Dots on just now & it's sounding pretty great.

:-)

dang this is good

The recent single is so great to just ~space~ to

Damn, how did I miss this? ANY mention of Labradford and/or The For Carnation should immediately send up a bat signal of some sort.

Now's not the time for glibness but the widescreen creeping dread of the recent EP is perfect for watching the world burn.

hey what's up, i listened to the tape mix - pretty good

they've got asa chang and junray - hana on there, patty waters, public enemy, a song from the ghost dog soundtrack, got some throat singing on there, some gamelan

whole thing is a trip tbh

Sounds like my freeform radio sets during my uni days!

this album should appeal to all you snoopy-heads that wanna get churned up by more coil-esque looping psychedlic ambient

Geins't Naït & Scanner ‎– GN / Scanner

https://open.spotify.com/album/5kgC1RMEMkt9lsrTU6k2XA?si=Ymr6pPPOTMuNK-KP6zA1WA

That's on Offen isn't it? Love that label.

yep! anything vladimir ivkovic touches is worthwhile imo

Saw that they have a new mix here:
https://crackmagazine.net/article/mixprofile/cs-kreme/

Blue Six – Sweeter Love (Jay's Full Vocal)

not gonna lie to you, been waiting on the naked music revival...

discovered this only now via the albums poll. it is incredible that there is still so much fascinating, uncharted territory on the map of music. there is something haunting about this stuff. i get the piano music comparison but here there are more noises and not so many voices. "mount warning" is a phantastic trip into some dark places, maybe a descent into a cave?

piano magic comparison, obv.

I've also discovered them through the albums poll and am really digging them. What they do goes beyond mood; these are full-bodied tracks with enigmatic personalities.

If I can thank ILM for just three things, those things would be Junior Boys, Sault, and this

I was hoping that they would place high enough in the albums poll to get more people to check them out, so it's great to see that's happened.

:-)

heard this today for the first time, i know it's not quite there (nowhere near murky enough) but i think this is the closest thing i've heard to 'snoopy'?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-pGZsf3Vck

Roy Montgomery with Kirk Lake - London Is Swinging By His Neck (1998)

Saw that they have a new mix here:
https://crackmagazine.net/article/mixprofile/cs-kreme/

those wacky noises at the start meant I couldn't listen to more than two minutes of this, just too distracting :(

that track ends about five minutes in, if you just want to skip it

oh man i used to have that rocket girl box set - some real clunkers on there, but that track and about half of the rest is decent

just had a look and the box set has the track with the offside lyrics that go: "the gallagher brothers masquerading around town as genuises/like beatlemania with tiny penises"

"Where did tiny penises go"

wow the vinyl copy i got (repress i think) sounds like absolute dogshit. a muddy mess. A/B'ing with a 320kbps mp3 is like night and day. trilogy tapes is kind of a stupid label but i've never gotten something that sounds this bad from them before. major drag.

especially with like 12 minutes of music per side

my copy sounds great.

trilogy tapes is kind of a stupid label

what is stupid about them?

put some text on your dang lps so i know what side is what! especially on a double lp. i feel very strongly about this. the rezzett 2lp has 4 blank silver labels!

there is enough uncertainty in life i don't need expensive imported techno mysteries. tho i understand this might be appealing to others

ha ha. i can't argue with that.

a friend bought the repress too so i'll ask them how their copy sounds.

Fans of CS + Kreme might be interested in the debut album from fellow Australian YL Hooi.

https://boomkat.com/products/untitled-b1e42e25-2e48-44e8-a9d6-19856e3f068a

There's something up with those Aussies and I for one am loving it. You've also got the likes of Carla dal Forno, HTRK, F Ingers and Tarquin Manek working in this kinda zone as well. Won't be too long before they're giving this sound it's own name and everything.

Yeah the YL Hooi album is good, as was this set: https://www.nts.live/shows/guests/episodes/yl-hooi-19th-february-2021

when will there be new CS + Kreme

They've been playing shows, it seems. Hopefully soon.

huh they're playing in chicago at the international museum of surgical science in june

CS + KREME

06/14/2022 Trumpet Blossom Cafe, Iowa City, IA
06/14/2022 Trumpet Blossom Cafe, Iowa City, IA
06/15/2022 Rozz Tox, Rock Island, IL
06/16/2022 International Museum of Surgical Science, Chicago, IL
06/17/2022 Monarch Tavern, Toronto, ON
06/19/2022 La Sala Rossa, Montréal, QC
06/20/2022 Red Hook Labs, Brooklyn, NY
06/23/2022 The Dolphin, Philadelphia, PA w/ Ulla
06/25/2022 Venue TBA, Los Angeles, CA
06/27/2022 The Miniplex, Arcata, CA
06/27/2022 Miniplex, Arcata, CA
06/28/2022 Mississippi Studios, Portland, OR
06/29/2022 Vera Project, Seattle, WA
06/30/2022 Paradise, Vancouver, BC

via https://heavy-trip.com/artist/cskreme

anyone seen them live? i have no concept if they're like playing instruments or fiddling with laptops or what, and there are no live videos on youtube

my entirely ungrounded guess/hope is that it'd be live bass w/ processing and electronics

If I'm going out I want to see *someone* whispering ominously about blueberries into a mic

CS is of course already a long time standing, most consummate stage performer, so it will be interesting to see if he brings any of that to this. i'm guessing more subdued may be the way here though.

Definitely going to the Philly date.

new track -

https://csandkreme.bandcamp.com/track/crushed-cream?from=fanpub_fb_trk

not new but hard to find.

nice, this is sick. fiending for new stuff by them so anything v welcome

I've been listening to this album Chances by new band Acopia, and thinking "wow this is basically a female-fronted (and marginally more energetic) CS + Kreme" - and lol of course they are from Melbourne.

https://acopia.bandcamp.com/album/chances

Though actually the first point of comparison that occurred to me was Earwig / Insides

yeh very nice album that, looking foward to some springtime listens

two songs in, really enjoying this Acopia album, makes me think of what if Carla Dal Forno embraced her pop side

Enjoying it! Some of it is very HTRK e.g. 'Toxic Traits'

other thing that Acopia reminded me of was Bowery Electric circa 'Freedom Fighter'

anyhow, CS+K dates:

Tour announcement!
🌪🌪🌪 pic.twitter.com/0LPe6cW8j9

— CS + Kreme (@csandkreme) April 11, 2022

ace, though not sure i am free the night they play here :(

ugh I'm away for their London date. failed to go to seem them in Feb 2020 and regretted it ever since.

i'll be at the brooklyn show for sure

Amazing, thanks for sharing!

they’re playing tonight at café oto in london but i can’t make it :(

i'm going to see them tomorrow. going to see jah shaka too, though sadly it's not a double bill.

I'm going tomorrow too! Am very excited.

couple of lucky ducks itt

how was it?

It was excellent. A few 'hits' and lots of new music. I really like The Old Hairdressers generally but think they might have benefitted from playing somewhere with a slightly better sound system. They might be back at the end of the year.

saw them last night in chicago, they sounded great. it was a pretty small show (i overheard a staffer say there were 65 tickets sold), but it was also at an unusual venue (the international museum of surgical science) so there may have been capacity limitations. they mentioned that they had played to 6 people in iowa city the other night

What was the instrumentation?

one dude doing electronics (laptop/keyboard/something with twisty knobs) the whole time, the other dude alternating between playing bass/singing and using some kind of sequencer, depending on the song

lol sorry that's so vague. i didn't go up and look at their gear table.

if you still follow me on instagram there's a short dark video of them playing on there

I'll check it out!

I think they actually played two shows at a cafe in Iowa City? I was almost audience member #7 but didn't come up with something else to do on a mini-vacation and wasn't going to drive two hours each way for just the show

I saw the London show which was very good, but they certainly left the fans wanting more - it was only a 45 minute set.

nyc show was good if marred by poor sound imo

new material evoking demdike stare and hype Williams

snoopy material sounded huge. Overall more aggressive than I anticipated but better for it I think

seeing them saturday in LA

New album!!

https://csandkreme.bandcamp.com/album/orange

Snoopy is hard to follow up. The same brilliant musicality is lavished on Orange — a combination of unmistakably original, skittering drum programming, startlingly fresh instrumental interjections, creepily invocatory voices, and dubwise treatments — giddily imbued with the dark arts of ritual and seance. But Orange is more gripping, focussed and urgent, more intense and ambitious. Next level.

Its first quarter presents a trio of forays in suspense.
Bassline squares up like an epic psych-funk grinder, with a moody guitar line traversed by ticking drum patterns and faint electric crackle. In no time the guitar is staggering and stammering under the duress of echo and distortion, and over-run with percussive electronics and the first of the voices massing in the music’s head. The mood has quickly become more trepidatious. We're deeper underground; it’s gloomier, wetter.
Shred propulsively ratchets up the tension and menace. Glazily tentative xylophone is played against slashing, nervy cello. The voices are more strangulated and sick now. Flutes and chimes evoke the same kind of beautiful, contaminated efflorescence which is pictured on the LP’s front cover.
Voice Of The Spider makes easier progress across this cavernous, shadowy, dripping terrain, with funky pads and Nasty, eighties, No Wave electric bass; woozy chimes, non-plussed keys, singing-in-tongues.

Pink Mist marks an arrival, or unbottling, with annunciatory church-organ and choral voices from the off, and a newly relaxed, head-nodding kosmische rhythm.

Mandarin is a short, beat-less and voice-free interlude for piano and bass. It's reflective and nostalgic, ambivalent and inconclusive, with a lovely snatch of melody. A bridge half-way.

Would You Like A Vampire is a triumphant, mesmerizing go at New Folk, with strummed acoustic guitar, descant song, and jazzily restless drum programming (including a tasty bass-bin trembler). Amazingly, Conrad Standish is joined at the mic by none other than Bridget St John. Together they sing 'Earth is Paradise’ so repeatedly and tremulously — and the song is cut off so abruptly at the end — it seems as if the verb is teetering on the past tense, and hymn fading into valediction and catastrophe.

Similarly Storm Rips Banana Tree begins idyllically enough, with a CS-&-Kreme-style raga… before something like an immense, obliterative drill starts up. Harpsichord and organ — by James Rushford — and flutes, and clapping, distant chanting and insectile percussion steadily leaven the dread, till finally all that is left is lapping water.
It’s an epic, deeply immersive, compelling, thought-provoking, twenty-minute finale… the coup de grâce.

Hmmm, this sounds pretty good so far, but I have to give it a few more listens before I commit to buying the record and paying for exorbitant international shipping. On first pass, "Bassline" and the Bridget St John one stuck out the most, but I'm missing some of the Jon Hassell-meets-Coil weirdness of the previous work. As the press release says, Snoopy is a hard record to live up to.

OK, I take it back, definitely some Coil moves on "Would You Like A Vampire." Maybe I'll buy this after all.

The first two tracks are very twitchy, like they've switched out Snoopy's 'clammy dread' for 'panic attack'

i didn't gel with the first two or three tracks. it felt like yet another overly introspespective 'lockdown' session, when that is probably the last thing i'm looking for currently, or maybe i just wasn't in the right mood. But then 'Mandarin' won me over and 'Would You Like A Vampire' is up there with the best they have recorded.

going to go in for a second round.

yeah I'll have to return to it. listening first thing in the morning was not a good call

Took me at least five listens to fully appreciate Snoopy. Only listened to this one once but it does feel a bit more introspective and moody than Snoopy, which was of course plenty introspective and moody already. That's what I'm after during the winter months tho

Given the cost to ship a double album overseas, I really wish artists would consider pressing up a few hundred CDs for us plebes

I love this on first listen. Does feel even more claustrophobic, perhaps, but I was listening whilst cleaning my extremely messy office, so yknow.

This is really growing on me

this feels like the fraught escape from the mirrored nightmare chamber you were trapped in in snoopy

some fairly disturbing shit tbh especially “shred”

https://www.ursss.com/2022/06/cs-kreme/

Hadn't seen this before (concert from earlier this year, has some tracks from Orange).

at this point i think this can only be called a massive disappointment. unfair i know, but still. only thing that comes close to snoopy is the vocal track near the end with the acoustic guitar. will relisten soon, but realized that i have not thought about this album at all after listening to it every day when it came out, waiting for it to reveal itself, but now i think there's no there there, sadly.

Gonna have to disagree with you here. I'm enjoying it more with every listen.

I'm with paolo. I was initially a tad underwhelmed, but I've come around to thinking it's almost as good as Snoopy

same!

FYI don't know if anyone in the states is waiting for vinyl but I just got an email notification that mine shipped

I've also found it pretty hard to grasp. I've listened to it a few times from front to back, but cannot recall anything in particular other than a vaguely grim oppressive atmosphere and the striking cover.

Not even "Would You Like A Vampire?"

I wouldn't say that the release is a massive disappointment to be clear. Vagueness can be a worthy aesthetic in its own right, especially their version, which is disconcreting, mundane, horrific, occasionally revelatory. They're definitely channeling a structure of feeling. I think someone upthread mentioned Snoopy as a pandemic soundtrack. I can think of any number of other dystopian, yet ungraspable conditions we're living through.

"Would You Like A Vampire?" does feel an like exception on Orange. There's a sense of release when it finally arrives. Maybe it's comparable to the final minutes of "Mount Warning" in that respect. But somehow I don't recall it as strongly as the atmosphere that they build up before, then there's that image of the seaweed looking fetid and dead, maybe still swarming with some kind of bacterial life. Both hyper-realistic and allegoric.

I was maybe thinking of picking up it up on vinyl, even just for the cover image, which I bet looks pretty impressive on the sleeve.

Good post! And good points. I'll concede that, though I've probably listened to Orange close to ten times, which is a lot for me, I rarely have the patience for "Storm Rips Banana Tree." I just don't think it totally justifies its sidelong status, and I think perhaps this is where the vagueness you speak of falls short for me. I'm sure there are situations for which this track is perfect, but I haven't found them yet.

i mean it is still well made, and i know it is unfair to compare to snoopy which is singular both in its content and the context it found itself in

but still, there is not a lot going on underneath the well-done sound design. one stays on the surface with this record, maybe intentionally. it's like walking around a city with mild drug withdrawals or something. just does not have the enveloping quality of snoopy at all. but being twitchily outside was what '22 was all about so maybe they captured the zeitgeist again

it's like walking around a city with mild drug withdrawals or something

sold!

I cant tell if its not as good or not, I find it really discomfiting to listen to. not in a way where I think there's something wrong w it, but in a way where I dont find myself pulling it out much because its too effective at unsettling me haha. idk I like it a lot but also have a kind of fear of it

yall are just writing very tantalizing ad copy at this point

Orange is way too unsettling for me to have listened to during lockdown. Snoopy was just unsettling enough

I forgot I ordered this lol. Unsettling mysteries incoming.....

Deej OTM. I decided not to listen to this album any more because it just vaguely upset me.

there is a real queasiness to it. i’m drawn back to it though

"this album makes me feel bad and i don't want to listen to it ... maybe this is good" never change yall

i kid i kid, but still, it's not like snoopy made me feel good or anything. it's not about feeling good, it's about the quality of feeling bad, and on that measure snoopy succeeds via a sort of dream logic, this is a bit surface level to my ears, but will give it some more spins.

if you like 'orange' i feel like rabit's recent oeuvre is hitting the same zones

I think of this band as being mainly good bc of artfully juxtaposed surfaces so when ppl say 'this one feels surface level' im like well yea

playing in London on March 31st (sadly I'll miss them yet again): https://ra.co/events/1661923

i like orange more than snoopy!

danker, scrapier. you can’t imagine anyone calling it “illbient”.

i obviously apologise unreservedly for using that word.

orange is my new workout music btw not joking

despite knowing the artist I have always misread this thread title as “CS plus Kreme minus Snoopy”, thank you for listening

illbient is good, tho?

snoopy is cool because it is pretty traditional in terms of instrumentation, but super otherworldly in its effects. more badalamenti than anything else, really. or like certain moments in harold budd's catalog - like you can sing "where did blueberries go" over this track pretty easily!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo0ng_0NYnA

relistening to orange, it's unfair to compare it to snoopy. it has its own thing going on. and that thing is really bad, to me. i will say it's rare for me to actively loathe music, usually it's just boring, so they have accomplished something real in that sense.

I'm actually surprised by how polarizing this record seems to be. It isn't exactly leagues apart from the previous album

i think it is at least a league apart. to me it does feel like a very different thing from Snoopy.

as someone who has had trouble totally processing orange I definitely don't think its 'boring'

i feel like walking around Glasgow in early March would probably be a good way to "get" it

i'll try that tomorrow Tracer.

d-40, me neither; wasn't as clear as i could have been.

anyways. still one of the best acts out rn i think. and 'vampire' is truly excellent

feels like everyone is sleeping on this one and that makes me mad so i'm gonna spam this thread. i think i've listened to it more times than it has total youtube views. not cs + kreme but it lives in the same sort of dubby edge-of-dream echospace...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obGXbRYnCc0
Deep Heavy Fear - Doorway

bit of an insides vibe too i think

anyhow feel free to enjoy!

https://deepheavyfear.bandcamp.com/

*message ends*

Love it

This sounds great.

Can you call yourself Deep Heavy Fear making this kind of music? I like it, but it's a bit like calling a death metal band, uh, Death.

https://thetrilogytapes.bandcamp.com/album/the-butterfly-drinks-the-tears-of-the-tortoise

hell yeah

Psyched for this one

ooh

always excited to hear new music from these guys, and I thought Orange was great (I know it divided ILM somewhat). I just wish it didn't cost $60+ to ship the LP to the states

Yeah I was very surprised to learn how much international shipping costs these days (particularly from the UK?).

Love that they're sticking with TTT for this (labelmates!).

this sounds excellent.

Now That's What I Call Neo-Folk!

yeah, sounds great.

new album out now

It's growing on me on a third listen; I still miss the more song-based approach of Snoopy, but this sounds awesome.

Also loved this mix: https://nr.world/cs-kreme/

great mix, incredibly boring interview

new album is just ok imo, and I rated Orange higher than most

so far i don’t like this as much as snoopy. but will keep listening

i like this record a lot, it is hitting all of my spots. feels more of a whole mood than Orange, certainly.

I really like it too, maybe my favorite from them

I thought it was a bad sign that the CS + Kreme NTS show was solo CS this month, and I didn't have to look far to find this :-(

"CS + Kreme is done." https://www.instagram.com/p/DKioi8fBpB4/?hl=en

Aww, wow. I really wish I had gone to see them in Kyoto when we coincided, but I'm terrible at going to see shows after a long day of sightseeing.

bummer!

oh that's a real shame :(

still think that last year’s album was really quite good and should have received more attention than it did

agreed, though Snoopy set the bar pretty high

oh of course, but i think last year’s was on par, if very different

Yeah, I really liked it. I listened to it a bunch when it was released and then kinda forgot about it. Definitely planning to revisit, though

the first two EPs are getting reissued this month. so that's good!

As much as I love Orange and Snoopy, I've never heard these, so I'm mighty tempted. What are the chances that, after paying exorbitant shipping costs to the US, they arrive free of tariff fuckery? I'm so hesitant to order any records from overseas right now (which sucks, because that's typically where I do the majority of my online record shopping)