There is a seemingly infinite number of playlists serving up this type of soothing content. The music is all very similar, but is there something interesting in the way it is being consumed and what people are looking to it for? Or the anonymity of the producers, hundreds of interchangeable people making mostly interchangeable but pleasant music? Does anyone on ILM listen these types of playlists when reading?
― treeship., Tuesday, 2 February 2021 12:35 (four years ago)
My kids love them. They don't care about the artists. They like how chill it is.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 12:38 (four years ago)
its just the new chill-out/ambient.
― candyman, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 12:52 (four years ago)
My eldest calls it loffy, which drives me mad.
He listens to a Breath of the Wild lo-fi you tube channel endlessly.
― my opinionation (Hamildan), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 13:02 (four years ago)
i feel like chill-out/ambient music reaches for innovation and/or meaning in a way this stuff doesn’t - it’s designed to be filler, designed to be unmemorable even
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 13:24 (four years ago)
^^ which isn't that far removed from generative music the likes of Eno ('Reflection') et al have been working on, except that they mostly still release it in the album format. Which is indeed reaching for meaning or innovation.
I don't think it will be long for you can, say, go to an "endless" live youtube stream with generative music by, idk, Autechre, or Steve Roach etc. One 'piece' of music, if you will, that surfs on its own algorithm and presets, that never starts or finishes and is just there all the time. Most playlists w/ generated soothing content like that on YT or Spotify remind of that.
I disagree with calling it "the new ambient" though, precisely because of the distinction Tracer made.
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 13:31 (four years ago)
I think there's plenty of chill-out/ambient music that wasn't actually reaching for innovation - particularly when those styles go in the direction of New Age music.
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 13:33 (four years ago)
it absolutely kills me to think about this stuff for longer than about three seconds
― imago, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 13:34 (four years ago)
^^ new board description.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 13:38 (four years ago)
too complicated to fit into a pvmic post, but I enjoyed the juxtaposition of these two posts:
[Poppy]'s going to be huge. That kind of ADHD genresplicing pop* is going to be one of the major forces of this decade, duelling the more sedate doomer charms of yer Eilishes (who I still think can be convinced over to the Hyper Side)
*yes it's Been Done, but it can be done more and more successfully
― imago, Tuesday, February 2, 2021 8:33 AM (seventeen minutes ago)
― imago, Tuesday, February 2, 2021 8:34 AM (sixteen minutes ago)
― rob, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 13:52 (four years ago)
I don't think it will be long for you can, say, go to an "endless" live youtube stream with generative music by, idk, Autechre,A bit different but there are those streams of SAWII tracks looped for like 2 hrs.
― excuse me while I fold my pants (morrisp), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 13:52 (four years ago)
and yet I sat through and enjoyed the entire Charles Webster album earlier #multitudes
― imago, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 13:53 (four years ago)
I won't lie: I like this stuff OK. I won't lie a second time: I use the "lofi" tag when putting my own stuff up on bandcamp, because I want the ears.
― american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 13:55 (four years ago)
xpsorry imago, I'm not trying to pigeonhole you, I genuinely appreciate your staking out of aesthetic territory (if that makes sense? I literally just woke up and probably shouldn't be trying to post)
― rob, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 13:55 (four years ago)
lol no it was entirely fair, i was playing along :D
― imago, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 13:56 (four years ago)
not sure how zchyrs and I can be friends now tho haha
― imago, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 13:57 (four years ago)
i find this stuff annoying too, because of the market for it that's been created by Spotify, YouTube et al, it just feels basic and cynical. I'm sure that's been discussed on threads to do with streaming. I'd like to be dissuaded on this because as background sometimes it works nicely.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:00 (four years ago)
xp sorry buddy.
I find the way this music is consumed much more offensive than the music itself, which again I think is just...fine. It's of a piece with the whole functioning of anodyne Spotify playlists.
Thing is, this is (afaik) still music being made by people. It takes a measure of enthusiasm and craft (if even a small measure) to make anything, so I can't begrudge the creators. They're probably making this stuff because they like to make it, and that's nice!
― american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:04 (four years ago)
tbf when I think of 'lo-fi' I am thinking of something verrrrry different to this
― imago, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:07 (four years ago)
That's totally understandable. I do too, and it's kind of interesting to me (from a linguistics perspective) how the label has evolved into something else. I'd bet that a fair number of listeners and creators aren't even aware of the original meaning (I want to stress that this is neither or a bad or good thing IMO)
― american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:12 (four years ago)
yeah there isn't a lot of tape hiss or distortion on stuff called "lo-fi"
― treeship., Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:12 (four years ago)
xxxp True. It's enough to say that I rarely feel like listening to it anyways (because how often do i-not want to put a record on-not check out a specific mix-find whatever Worldwide FM is playing a little too hectic-not want to explore an ambient playlist for fear of experiencing any emotions at all-yet still want to hear music
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:12 (four years ago)
i think kids think the "low" has to do with the tempo, not the audio quality
there is certainly a cynical aspect - playlists designed to be just 'set and forget', and listened to for an hour or more, are deliberately pushed in order to get users spending more time on platform rather than listening to a couple of hits and then dipping out
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:14 (four years ago)
these are my loffy study beats https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6KaEi1J1Pl3GI61o08CMqo?si=zh0MgRi3QX67EwtWqbfCrA
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:18 (four years ago)
- fear of experiencing any emotions at all-yet still want to hear music
this is like the motto of so much contemporary music
― treeship., Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:19 (four years ago)
this all makes me think of KIDEODROME: scary "Kid's Youtube" algorithms, fringe programming, insert conspiracy theory here
and is now making me think of a crossover where pregnant elsa is the one vibing 2 these chill beatz
o god
― imago, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:19 (four years ago)
a couple producer friends of mine call it “low-effort beats”
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:20 (four years ago)
good horror movie premise.
are you chill yet?
― treeship., Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:20 (four years ago)
xp imago
treesh: sure and sometimes I'll reach for such contemporary music. These streams are for when you just utterly cannot be arsed in any way
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:21 (four years ago)
haha a horror movie based on all the kids being addicted to this stuff is both #trenchant but also a good idea imo
― imago, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:22 (four years ago)
asmr is part of this too i think. i don't really understand what asmr is, but it seems like another way of people engaging with digital media as a kind of drug
― treeship., Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:25 (four years ago)
This shit is way too busy I like "pirate ship creaking and it's raining outside (no thunder)" for 10 hours
― Scampi reggae party (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:27 (four years ago)
let's workshop some titles for the horror movie:
THE FEED
― american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:27 (four years ago)
asmr is very distinct from this in concept but in practice there are similar patterns of accumulation
the biggest difference is that it's harder (or it SHOULD be harder) to generate the good asmr stuff algorithmically or by half-assing it aiui, although I'm no connoisseur
maybe there are just loads of shitty asmr videos collecting mad views from a completely desensitised public tho #areyouchillyet
― imago, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:28 (four years ago)
Oh I like THE FEED
Japanese village is a good one too. Might run a ballot poll for these later
― Scampi reggae party (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:29 (four years ago)
asmr is designed to deliver a sensory response, lo-fi is more about vibez
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:30 (four years ago)
asmr is supposed to be, anyway
not really experienced these loffy beats but i've been listening to a lot of noise playlists to go to sleep. If you put your settings right in Spotify, it'll actually segue the different noise textures together which becomes very interesting when you're just dropping off. I have discovered that Brown Noise works better than White Noise as it's a deeper, more enveloping hum whereas white noise is a little on the harsh side.
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:31 (four years ago)
Japanese village?
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:32 (four years ago)
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:30 (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink
exactly, asmr is for those who wish 2 feel, but as I said I wonder whether there has been an elision and people who don't really know what asmr is are consuming bad asmr content in a functionally similar ambient way to these lo-fi beatz
― imago, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:34 (four years ago)
just learnt that dog latin has bowels of steel good 2 know
what are you feeling though? "low grade euphoria" according to the wikipedia page. still feels measured, controlled, vibelike
― treeship., Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:36 (four years ago)
itt: people who don't get asmr or loffy
― Scampi reggae party (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:38 (four years ago)
xps I sleep with brown noise. Should we poll all the noise colors?
― american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:40 (four years ago)
asmr = weedloffy = xanax
idk this^ feels wrong still lol
― imago, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:41 (four years ago)
Brown Noise works better than White Noise as it's a deeper, more enveloping hum whereas white noise is a little on the harsh side.co-sign
― excuse me while I fold my pants (morrisp), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:43 (four years ago)
a lot of it strikes me as descended from Dilla
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:43 (four years ago)
Wasn't there a thread on this the other day music playing in background for cat rescue centres, copyright free music for podcasts, timelapse vidoes of going up and down a ladder?
― saer, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:43 (four years ago)
Nujabes is a key touchpoint too
― american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:44 (four years ago)
co-fi would be a great name for a chill beats and coffee joint that i would never ever visit
― would a nit be nice? (NickB), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:49 (four years ago)
lolol
― treeship., Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:49 (four years ago)
A+ Nick
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:50 (four years ago)
Guys I'm writing a big post
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:24 (four years ago)
everybody clear the room!
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:26 (four years ago)
or you're in for a slow and steady drumming
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:27 (four years ago)
― brimstead, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:36 (four years ago)
that big post going to feel so satisfying when it comes out
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:39 (four years ago)
Ok, I've never really gathered my thoughts on this topic, although there was a good recent discussion about it here: ILM's 2010's blindspots
So here we go. For me the roots of it obviously go back to Dilla and the L.A./Low End Theory beat scene, although if you wanna go back farther you could just say that downtempo and trip-hop served the same function (see also early Four Tet etc). But there was a wing of the beat scene that was particularly focused on found-sound percussion and textures that were more influenced by r&b, New Age, etc. Lots of Rhodes, square waves, surface noise, and Roland SP404s.
Teebs 'Ardour' is a true classic of the genre:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLj29qehYLM
But for me the true template for 'lo-fi' is Shohmo's Bad Vibes album:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIKMKki5l1M
At the time, I was extremely into this sound before there was a name for it, and I was trying (with varying levels of success) to make my own version of it too. Some other personal touchstones from when this still seemed like an exciting path in the early '10s:
Dropping Gems records out of Seattle/Portland:https://droppinggems.bandcamp.com/album/djaohttps://droppinggems.bandcamp.com/album/find
IG88:https://ig88.bandcamp.com/album/breathing-suit
The first Torus EP that apparently doesn't exist anymore. Early Lapalux, Shigeto, Airhead, the first few milo EPs, etc etc.
Anyway, I never got into Soulection, but that seemed to be the writing on the wall as far as consolidating this sound into a brand/label/radio station that already felt a little watered down (although the producer Monte Booker who linked up with them was and is incredible).
When I first heard the term 'lo-fi hip-hop' I had no idea what it was referring to, but it quickly became apparent it was the final form of this sound after it had been reduced to basic components and anonymized for the world of streaming + playlists + algorithms. That was around when I made a hard turn toward dance music (and for awhile went way too far in the other direction with really abrasive sounds, as a reaction against making music for background listening). And I still feel a little sad about it, because making beats out of kitchen utensils and jazzy Rhodes chords is a pleasant activity, but it would feel like a pointless act.
Although like I said on the other thread, I'm sure people have their favorite lo-fi producers and I'm curious about that, and I do think there's room for a ton of skill and creativity, but also wouldn't be surprised if infinite lo-fi playlists were cranked out by AI starting soon.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:49 (four years ago)
this is like easy listening boom bap. lots of indie-ish guitars in there too. its not like listening to dilla or doom really. but it IS good to work to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qap5aO4i9A
― candyman, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:57 (four years ago)
xp to jordan -- booming post
― american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:57 (four years ago)
booming bapping
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:01 (four years ago)
plenty of crossover with the indie game music community imo
― Scampi reggae party (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:05 (four years ago)
teebs' estara was very good IIRC though i did think it kinda twee at the time
― candyman, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:05 (four years ago)
oh and here's Japanese Village
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_zNPScqBb8
― Scampi reggae party (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:06 (four years ago)
It's interesting because lots of it is copyright free youtube compilation background and yet much of it would probably do well as proper LP release material too. Same dynamic with ambient post-vaporwave artists similarly giving their music away for free on bandcamp etc.
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:10 (four years ago)
music media socialite adam neely called this stuff "smooth jazz for millennials" and i think that's just about accurate.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:12 (four years ago)
candyman: yeah that's the big stream. I took this thread basically as discussing that one in particular.Certainly there is more interesting work going on in instrumental/lofi hiphop* than you'll hear on that stream. It was an odd experience first hearing Shigeto and others like 5 years ago and trying to compile playlists, right as this total pablum was coming up alongside, just making the whole experience kind of tedious.Is there some better genre title around? I guess it's adding "study" or "chill" that makes it clear enough we're not talking about knxwledge, ohbliv, dilla, the new madlib album, whatever
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:13 (four years ago)
Is this not just downtempo?
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:14 (four years ago)
its just totally functional music. i dont mind it. especially right now, this is actually something i appreciate.
― candyman, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:15 (four years ago)
Easy listening boom bap otm No mention yet of not only the music being extremely similar from artist to artist but also the artwork?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:17 (four years ago)
boombient
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:18 (four years ago)
i prefer the meditation and healing tones for chakra balancing and pineal gland cleansin tbh. but there's a similarity in principle i think.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5dPe0yb4JQ
― ian, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:19 (four years ago)
oh yeah
this stuff all comes up next to each other thru the algos
― Scampi reggae party (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:22 (four years ago)
No mention yet of not only the music being extremely similar from artist to artist but also the artwork?
Yeah when 'lo-fi' came into vogue it also seemed heavily associated with anime artwork & video game streams
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:24 (four years ago)
also playing-in-another-roomcore
― Scampi reggae party (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:24 (four years ago)
xxp yeah that's the thing.one thing you can do is avoid anything with anime looking art...per xps
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:24 (four years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WhUkxMKhrI
jut another extension of all the 'sad' music the past decade i think
the lo fi thing is a bit weird to me, as its not esp dirty, its just a bit under produced, and the textures are mostly on the more delicate side
― candyman, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:25 (four years ago)
shame that i cant see any track names on this youtube feed im listening to right now (while working ofc)
― candyman, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:26 (four years ago)
Yeah i don’t know why it’s called lo-fi really
― treeship., Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:26 (four years ago)
though vinyl surface noise is often added onto it. I could be wrong but it seems like a trope with this stuffxxp
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:26 (four years ago)
Sometimes there is some static but not usually
― treeship., Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:27 (four years ago)
that popular stream has the track names in the video, along the top. And you can scroll back for hours on YouTube. Fill your boots!
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:28 (four years ago)
well i need a nap
"Lo-fi" was never apt and is a dumb name, although there's a strain of it that's built mostly on samples, maybe it's just supposed to be hazy sounding in comparison to trap beats. Boom bap vaporwave.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:33 (four years ago)
insomnia by team astro is so much like a classic R&B/hip hop beat but i cant put my finger on it.
whos the dilla or madlib of this genre though? :P
― candyman, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:34 (four years ago)
the only act i can recall is Mt Marcy. They seem like a pretty good example of the style
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:35 (four years ago)
tbh i totally love these smoove sadboy beats. does exactly what it is meant to. i value modest ambition and consistent execution. waiting for the dj premier of this genre to emerge.
― candyman, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:39 (four years ago)
Reposting from the other thread, a track from Youtube video game montage that I liked enough to dig around and find again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHtBIIIF3Do
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:40 (four years ago)
Also relevant, drummers making lo-fi beats to shred over:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57MwDfN8IYc
oh it's not hard to find artists with a lot more listeners than them on Spotify. the big YouTube stream has playlists there, the account is called ChilledCow
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:41 (four years ago)
xxp
On My Way by Blumen is a good, if very typical one.
― candyman, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 18:00 (four years ago)
"music media socialite adam neely called this stuff "smooth jazz for millennials" and i think that's just about accurate."
empty shelves by team astro actually IS smooth jazz!
― candyman, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 18:09 (four years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk8Fl3A4-no
found this on a lo-fi spotify playlist. love it.
― treeship., Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:18 (four years ago)
I just listened to around 15 seconds of the pirate ship in a storm and damn near fell asleep. How was I not aware of these before?
There are some old chalet houses on the coast near here and all I really want is a book, a bottle of red wine, a fire and a storm and I could be happy forever.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:33 (four years ago)
It seems like in the late 90s / 2000s, this kind of music had to work in both a club and a hotel lobby (e.g., Mushroom Jazz), and started to horn in on Muzak and Smooth Jazz as default background music. Now that public spaces are mostly closed, it makes sense that they're turning into 100% study beats.
Hippo Dreams showed up on my Spotify somehow, and if I basically need some sound in the room while working on something, rather than dead silence and Covid dread, it works well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO00_Svyusk
― ... (Eazy), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:36 (four years ago)
playing-in-another-roomcore
I've been thinking for a while about starting a thread around "'Distraction' as a productive mode of listening," but haven't thought through how to talk about the idea (or even searched to see if the thread already exists).
― excuse me while I fold my pants (morrisp), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 20:03 (four years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BO49r6xX1M
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 20:29 (four years ago)
lol
― treeship., Tuesday, 2 February 2021 20:40 (four years ago)
i think the minimally animated graphics are almost as hypnotic as the movement -- some anime person with headphones nodding their head, often shown writing near a window that looks out onto city lights
― treeship., Tuesday, 2 February 2021 20:41 (four years ago)
I love the animations yeah
― Scampi reggae party (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 20:44 (four years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lkc5Woyy47I
― Scampi reggae party (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 20:45 (four years ago)
i can’t bring myself to be cynical about this trend, i kinda just love that kids are into ambient
― flopson, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 20:45 (four years ago)
blunted beats, trip hop, jazz fudge, dj cam, pork recordings...how much of this stuff could be released on Giegling or something if you replaced the hip hop beats with mnml house beats?
― brimstead, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 21:01 (four years ago)
“this stuff” = lofi study beats not the list in my first graf
― brimstead, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 21:02 (four years ago)
This genre is not worth getting fuzzy about. Not worth getting excited about either. You could do worse for background music.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 22:02 (four years ago)
no wait let’s analyze the fuck out of it!
― brimstead, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 23:28 (four years ago)
I also think there's something about the fact that most huge trap anthems these days are still like one hazy sample or a single soft synth sound + huge distorted 808s. It feels like both strains have some dna from early '10s underground producers.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 23:32 (four years ago)
I think I also like that "music to study to" is an actual popular genre. Based on the first few tracks on a Youtube channel of this that I just tuned into, I kind of like this stuff for what it is and would listen to it before a lot of other popular things. It's calming and pleasant. Both parts of "smooth jazz for millennials" seem wrong to me tbh.
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 03:54 (four years ago)
All I actually needed at this moment was something to calm my nerves and I'm almost embarrassed by how well this worked for that. I might pass out if I leave it on for too long, though. This is the channel btw:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NOSDKb0HlU
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 03:56 (four years ago)
Moving on now
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 04:01 (four years ago)
My 10-year-old loves to listen to Spotify playlists of this while doing homework. What I don't get is, who makes it? When I try to google the bands and tracks I basically just get links to other playlists, never an actual homepage for the band or music-press writeups or.... Who is Aaarly? Who is Obie Hans? Is there just some big factory where one person makes a bunch of these beats and then assigns artist and track names at random?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 04:02 (four years ago)
I just Googled the artist they were playing on that channel just now (Leavv - "Flushing the Stairs"). Guy has a full-length album and uses male pronouns and identifies as a producer at least: https://chillhop.bandcamp.com/album/tales-of-a-flowing-forest
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 04:19 (four years ago)
He also has an Instagram page and a dog: https://www.instagram.com/leavv_/
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 04:20 (four years ago)
Afaik ChilledCow is the most popular channel, it’s its own label at this point. They’re not anonymous from what I can tell looking at their spotify playlists (eg: https://open.spotify.com/user/chilledcow/playlist/0vvXsWCC9xrXsKd4FyS8kM ) however most of them have what looks like japanese names and are actually not japanese ( or at least the 3 artists from the list I checked - Ky Akasha, Yasumu and Kupla all looked non-Asian).
I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the songs are made by a computer that is just fed loops and beats. Wasn’t there already some AI developed that could make unlimited music from stems? I remember a site with Jai Paul’s Jasmine that did this.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 04:21 (four years ago)
i can't imagine studying to this stuff personally
― dyl, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 04:23 (four years ago)
― Canon in Deez (silby), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 04:25 (four years ago)
Found it. It’s called BRONZE AI ENGINE:
https://jaipaul.bronze.ai/
Theoretically you could feed this AI stems from a couplesongs of “lo-fi beats” and it could do variations of it for unlimited time.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 04:27 (four years ago)
I had a friend who did a PhD in electronic composition. For one of his comprehensive exams, he had to, on the spot, in a limited time, write code that could generate a pastiche of an early 20th century composer's (e.g. Bartok's) style. I imagine generating lo-fi study beats would be v doable.
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 04:34 (four years ago)
That channel Sund4r posted has a “live chat” going; never seen that on YT before.
10:19PM carrotjuice123 “it’s time to chill”
― excuse me while I fold my pants (morrisp), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 06:29 (four years ago)
"It seems like in the late 90s / 2000s, this kind of music had to work in both a club and a hotel lobby (e.g., Mushroom Jazz), and started to horn in on Muzak and Smooth Jazz as default background music. Now that public spaces are mostly closed, it makes sense that they're turning into 100% study beats."
this new stuff wouldnt work in the old context. and those old vadim/jazz fudge etc beats would sound too 'hard' too. these study beats are very unobtrusive. they also seem perfectly 'small' in an audio dimension sense in a way that is good for laptop/tiny speakers.
― candyman, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 10:32 (four years ago)
did these kinds of beats exist before chilledcow's playlist? or did people start making beats for the playlist? as playlists go, this one is remarkably stylistically uniform -- a consistent vibe, no matter which track is playing.
i also have to say that, when i started this thread, i had only listened briefly to lo-fi study beats. but i listened a lot yesterday and now i'm a fan.
― treeship., Wednesday, 3 February 2021 11:43 (four years ago)
treesh scroll up - Jordan has outline the archaeology
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 11:48 (four years ago)
that said i don’t know if we’ve cracked exactly how/why ChilledCow and its ilk became so big? it was happening pre-COVID
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 11:50 (four years ago)
I first heard about this from this Bojack Horseman episode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10yjDUufcVo
When I saw other people talking about lofi hip-hop beats to relax/study to, figured that they were making excellent Bojack references. And for a couple days, after I found the actual channel, was pretty impressed that someone had devoted their time to bring this one-line joke from a grown-ups cartoon to life.
this new stuff wouldnt work in the old context. and those old vadim/jazz fudge etc beats would sound too 'hard' too. these study beats are very unobtrusive. they also seem perfectly 'small' in an audio dimension sense in a way that is good for laptop/tiny speakers.― candyman, Wednesday, February 3, 2021 5:32 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
― candyman, Wednesday, February 3, 2021 5:32 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
I was listening to the channel one day and started thinking about all the instrumental hip-hop I used to listen to back in the 90s, like "Oh yeah, these beats kinda remind me of DJ Krush!" One of his albums was my go-to calming background music back then. But then I listened to it for the first time in 20 years, and while some of it might have worked, other songs were definitely too intense for lofi hip hop radio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eRwsiYeuQM
― peace, man, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 12:30 (four years ago)
they do work for working and studying and especially grading
― treeship., Wednesday, 3 February 2021 12:46 (four years ago)
Yeah that's the annoying thing. This stuff isn't without merit but it shouldn't be mixed up with more complex sorts of music. But whatever, I'm embarrassed here to be that concerned about genre labels.Hadn't realized that ChilledCow is a label. I remember when they had to change their art loop from what they took from Studio Ghibli's Whisper of the Heart... early 2018https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lo-Fi_Girl
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 12:52 (four years ago)
xp
on the chilledcow wiki, the genre is down as lo-fi hiphop, click that and you get ...Chillhop"Lo-fi hip hop" redirects here. For the genre of jazz-influenced hip-hop, see Jazz rap. For the genres of hip-hop characterized by low sound quality, see Mumble rap, Memphis rap, and Cloud rap.lol
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 12:56 (four years ago)
"That channel Sund4r posted has a “live chat” going; never seen that on YT before."
Live chats are definitely part of YouTube livestreaming channels. I've seen it before with concerts or e.g. last year's virtual Canada Day.
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 13:10 (four years ago)
Not to mention people playing Minecraft.
― peace, man, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 13:20 (four years ago)
Is there just some big factory where one person makes a bunch of these beats and then assigns artist and track names at random?
ive seen articles over the years speculating about spotify filling out their first-party playlists for things like "chill jazz"/"peaceful piano"/whatever by paying people a flat fee to create original tracks that are then credited to fake artists, with spotify owning the master rights. i guess its the 21stC equivalent of library music, in 30 years i wonder if there will be Numero-style comps of such stuff
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 13:32 (four years ago)
One Eye Open OTM about this being like contemporary library music. It also kinda reminds me of Weather Channel music, though that stuff tends to be more like smooth fusion
― american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 13:53 (four years ago)
Remember Weather Channel music guys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnkjvKv5R84
― american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 13:54 (four years ago)
AOTY in The Wire iirc
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 14:06 (four years ago)
Adult Swim is probably an important link too, when they started commissioning Flying Lotus to do bumpers between animation, and the current college studiers were kids.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 14:57 (four years ago)
I read a couple high school essay-level Medium articles on the origins of lo-fi hip-hop, mostly pretty bad (defining "low fidelity" and mentioning Dilla then jumping right to the current crop of channels and producers). But there were some illuminating bits, about Youtube introducing that 24/7 mode, those big channels and the anime girl, Nujabes being the Dilla of the genre (aside from Dilla being the Dilla of the genre), and some other specific producers getting name-checked.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 15:11 (four years ago)
Minecraft soundtrack music is exactly like this, yes.tempted to start making this music just so I can add in a few tracks with subtly disturbing melodic shifts and ruin everyone's studies
― Bastard Lakes (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 15:32 (four years ago)
im tempted to start making this music so i can have a successful youtube channel with little effort
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 15:38 (four years ago)
Too late in the game to enter know I think. There’s thousands of clones and I’ve only seen less than 10 channels that are successful with it and they’ve been at it for years now.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 15:45 (four years ago)
Now not know stupid autocorrect
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 15:46 (four years ago)
In addition to the precursors already mentioned, I think these 2 artists deserve mentioning:Wagon Christ, "Throbbing Pouch" album specifically (1995)Fat Jon, "Wave Motion" album specifically (2002)Like this would fit right in on one of these Playlists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYKrp_VE0lY
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 21:44 (four years ago)
a former ilxor makes ambient techno playlists that work better for this purpose i think.
― treeship., Tuesday, 2 March 2021 10:47 (four years ago)
do tell?
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 10:54 (four years ago)
it's not a controversial one, at all. an estimable and interesting person. but i don't think they hang around here or want to be namechecked.
― treeship., Tuesday, 2 March 2021 10:55 (four years ago)
two of the artists i've learned of through this playlist, and liked, are special request and bella boo.
― treeship., Tuesday, 2 March 2021 10:56 (four years ago)
therefore you might go as far as to link? please?
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 10:57 (four years ago)
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2JhdzQsWXG8Ku6hdROqbc6?si=0be241835bce4a60
― treeship., Tuesday, 2 March 2021 10:58 (four years ago)
my wordthanks
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 10:59 (four years ago)
Corey <3
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 12:46 (four years ago)
chilledcow changed their youtube username to Lofi Girl. smart branding move i think.
also i saw this recently lol https://hard-drive.net/lofi-hip-hop-radio-girl-still-fails-test-after-four-years-of-studying/
― treeship., Monday, 3 May 2021 15:38 (four years ago)
'Probably somewhere in Italy' – nah, I'm pretty sure that's Lyon in the background.
― pomenitul, Monday, 3 May 2021 15:40 (four years ago)
My (second grade) kid asked recently - "Is it OK if I use YouTube while I do homework, to play quiet music that's made for studying?"
― BeardsleyCollege.edu (morrisp), Monday, 3 May 2021 15:56 (four years ago)
That's so adorable.
― peace, man, Monday, 3 May 2021 16:27 (four years ago)
morris, did you break out in tears of joy at that moment?
because i did, just reading your post.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 3 May 2021 16:35 (four years ago)
the algorithm finally bumped this into my background and i probably got two hours in before i looked up and went, wait what the fuck am i listening to here
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 December 2021 01:58 (four years ago)
got him
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 13 December 2021 07:49 (four years ago)
I was listening to the Youandewan 2016 album and saw different people refer to it as good study music. It's certainly good music.
― Nabozo, Monday, 13 December 2021 08:20 (four years ago)
somebody made a two-hour vince guaraldi compilation and uploaded it to youtube as a single video and all the comments are about how great it is to study to
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 13 December 2021 12:42 (four years ago)
― Jeff, Monday, 13 December 2021 14:22 (four years ago)
They recently added some more tunes in the 1.18 update too.
I do like the occasional xmas lo-fi song. There's an "Oh Christmas Tree" version I particularly like, will have to try and find out the source.
― Ste, Monday, 13 December 2021 14:37 (four years ago)
lol this onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbfVLyKtLLc
― Ste, Monday, 13 December 2021 14:38 (four years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQtJBfr2XvU
― brimstead, Friday, 9 August 2024 04:27 (one year ago)
Reading that Kieran Press-Reynolds Pitchfork piece on the lo-fi beats scene getting co-opted by AI was very funny to me. Aside from the obligatory mention of Dilla and Nujabes as influences I sort of couldn't believe there was no mention of Low End Theory, Flying Lotus, Teebs, Shlohmo, even Soulection, etc. I wrote about this upthread, but to me by the time 'lo fi' became a thing it was already cooked, a smoothed-out and codified sound that was cashing on the algorithm.
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Wednesday, 9 July 2025 15:16 (five months ago)
tempted to start making this music
― Proust Ian Rush (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 9 July 2025 15:31 (five months ago)
lol, maybe if you had...added beats?
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Wednesday, 9 July 2025 15:42 (five months ago)
there is some light drumming at some point. the beats are implied. you can't just jive bunny over segovia.
― Proust Ian Rush (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 9 July 2025 15:47 (five months ago)
Technically not far off from “drumless” beats that sound like mirages of 90s east coast
https://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=185677
― brimstead, Wednesday, 9 July 2025 18:30 (five months ago)